27/04/2017 Prorogation


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After just two years but to Prime Minister the UK's 56

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Parliament is coming unexpectedly to a close, to make way

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The Commons and Lords have just finished their work,

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Good afternoon from Westminster, where time is running out

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And the ceremony of prorogation will begin in a couple of minutes time.

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That was the clock of the House of Lords, here is the House

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of Lords in session, gathering for the last time

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Joining me in the studio in Westminster are Sean Curran,

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BBC Parliamentary correspondent and, until Easter, the clerk

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of the House of Lords, the clerk of the Parliaments,

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We are waiting for the Leader of the House of Lords Baroness Evans

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to mention the prorogation is under way, and she may say

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that the Queen will not be present on this occasion.

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What's it like, Sir David, in this final moment of a session?

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Especially the dying moment of a Parliament.

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I think I'd say it's well drilled and everybody knows

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It's obviously quite a significant moment,

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that for some weeks after that everybody's minds will be

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on the election, nothing will be happening in the chamber.

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I think when I was clerk of the Parliaments my main concern

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We will see in due course the role of the clerks in the ceremony

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Now the House stands for the Lords' Speaker, Lord Fowler.

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The third Lord Speaker of the House of Lords

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He takes his place at the moment as Lord Speaker on the woolsack,

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It not being convenient for Her Majesty personally

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to be present this day, she has been pleased to cause

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a commission under the Great Seal to be prepared for prorogued

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So for approximately the 163rd time since Queen Victoria,

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it wasn't, in the end, personally convenient

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So a Royal Commission will be appointed and that

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will consist of five members of the House of Lords.

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It takes them a bit of time to get fully ready for that.

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If I may continue with you, Sir David.

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Have you got little pangs of disappointment not to be there?

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I'm very happy to be here watching from afar

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I'm looking forward to seeing it from the studio.

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We are going to hear a certain amount of Norman French when it

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comes to the granting of Royal assent for acts, you are a past

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There has been a bit of chat that when Brexit comes

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Have you got any suggestive words for us?

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I don't think when the Norman conquest happened and the British

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constitution started to be formed that the unity of Europe

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You gave me notice of this question and if someone suggested that,

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it looked to me as if it's something like "Say or Queen

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The Clerk of the Commons came up with his own suggestion,

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You heard it here first, Anglo-Saxon for the Queen wishes it.

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Are you pleased we got to the end of this session in one piece?

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It's been a bit of a shock, we didn't expect to be

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The members are Lady Evans, the Leader of the House

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of Lords, Lord Privy Seal, Lord Fowler the Lord Speaker,

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Baroness Smith of Basildon the Leader of the Opposition peers,

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Lord Newby Leader of the Liberal Democrats,

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and Lord Hope of Craighead, convener of the crossbenchers.

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And Black Rod walks towards towards the Royal Commission to be

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Let the Commons know that the Lords Commissioners

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desired their immediate attendance in this House to hear

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David Leaky, now you are free of the place, David,

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I do think there's no question that the House could do an equally

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Until 1999 the numbers rose until over 1,200 but not

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The benches are rather more crowded nowadays.

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The problem obviously is to find a way of reducing them.

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We will shortly see Black Rod walk through.

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As Black Rod goes to collect the Commons at this stage,

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This session and this Parliament, just two years long.

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It's been an extraordinary Parliament, dominated

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We saw David Cameron the first Prime Minister of this Parliament

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under constant pressure from Eurosceptics on his own side,

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That's not to say that there weren't big moments

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We, of course, had that big debate about bombing Isis in Syria

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when Hilary Benn made that speech from the Labour front benches.

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In the House of Lords we had the revolt over tax

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I think the referendum has dominated.

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The principal doorkeeper of the House of Commons is awaiting

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Before that happens, the door will, as with state opening,

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You will have heard the MPs say, "we're out"!

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Mr Speaker, the Lords who are authorised by virtue

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of Her Majesty's commission to declare her Royal assent act

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is passed by both houses, and to declare the prorogation

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of Parliament, desired in the presence of this honourable

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The Speaker thinks on the whole they will go.

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Quite a good turnout in the Commons, many retiring MPs.

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There have been two tragic moments in this Parliament,

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the murder of Jo Cox and not so very long ago, the murder

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Absolutely, both moments that shocked everybody at Westminster.

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Only this week there was talk of the memorial to Jo Cox,

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anyone who's ever been in the House of Commons will notice that along

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the walls there are these plaques, some of them are empty,

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some of them have coats of arms on them.

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They represent all of those MPs who, in past years, had fallen.

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Many fell during the First World War.

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They also commemorate those who have been killed

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There was going to be a ceremony in a few weeks' time for there to be

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a plaque to commemorate Jo Cox, that's been delayed

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There is though thereshould be one for PC Keith Palmer as well.

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The principal doorkeeper, the principal barkeeper,

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the Sergeant of arms and accompanying the Speaker, John

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The Speaker's secretary together with the clerk of the Commons.

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The clerk, you could just see them, he picked it up from the table

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when he left, the money bill, the Finance Bill.

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He's going to hand it over to the clerk of the Parliaments,

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signifying the Commons authority on financial matters.

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He will hand that Bill over, no discussion really

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Quite a queue of people heading to the Commons.

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I would say one of the big moments was in July 2016.

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We'd had the referendum, everybody thought that

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would be the big issue, but then we had the report

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Show us this moment when your Commons equivalent,

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he's producing their the Finance Bill.

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What should happen is that my successor in a moment...

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We are looking out for a couple of doffers.

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They are greeting the Commons and the Commons bowl in return.

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They aren't that synchronised either!

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This is apparently to show who they are.

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The Speaker is holding the Finance Bill.

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The clerk of the Parliament takes it from him.

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The point being that this Bill grants money to the Crown

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and that is in the gift of the Commons and not the Lords.

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My lords and members of the House of Commons,

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Her Majesty not thinking fit to be personally present at this time,

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has been pleased to cause a commission to be issued under

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under the Great Seal, and thereby given her Royal assent

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to diverse acts that have been agreed upon by both

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The titles whereof are particularly mentioned and by the said commission

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has commanded us to declare and notify her Royal Assent

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to be said several acts, in the presence of you the Lords

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and Commons, assembled for that purpose.

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And has also assigned to us and other Lords directed full power

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and authority in Her Majesty's name, to prorogue this Parliament, which

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Elizabeth II, by the grace of God of United Kingdom of Great Britain

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and Northern Ireland and of art other run-scoring, head

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of the Commonwealth, defender of the faith,

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to right trusty and well be loved Lords spiritual and temporal

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and our trusty and well beloved knights, citizens

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of the House of Commons in this presents Parliament assembled,

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For as much as in our said Parliament, diverse acts have been

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agreed by our loving subjects, the Lords spiritual and temporal

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and the Commons, the short titles of which are set forward

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in the schedules here to that the said acts

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are not in force in the law without Royal Assent and in as much

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as we cannot be present at this time in the Houses of Parliament,

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giving oral assent to such acts as have been agreed upon a we have

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therefore caused these to be made and have signed these

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letters and by them give our Royal Assent to those acts,

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willing the said act shall be of the same strength,

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force and the fact is if we'd had been personally present in the said

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higher house and had publicly and in the presence

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with the great Seal of our realm and also commanding the most

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Reverend Father in God, are grateful Chancellor,

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prime of all England and Metropolitan.

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Our well be loved and faithful councillors,

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Elizabeth Mary truss, Chancellor of Great Britain.

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Peter Norman, Lord Fowler, Lord Speaker.

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Natalie Jessica, Baroness Evans of those part, Lord Privy Seal.

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James Arthur David, Lord Hope of Craighead,

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Angela Evans, Baroness Smith of Basildon.

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Or any three or more of them to declare this Royal Assent

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in the said higher house in the presence of you,

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the said Lords and Commons, and the clerk of our parliaments

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to endorse the act in our name and record these letters and said

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acts in the manner accustomed and we declare that after this

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Royal Assent given and declared then and immediately the said acts shall

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be taken and accepted as good and perfect acts

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of parliament and be put into due execution accordingly.

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Whereas we did lately, for a diverse difficult and pressing

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affairs concerning us, the state and defence

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of our United Kingdom and church, ordained this our present Parliament

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too beholden at the city of Westminster, the 18th of May

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on the day our said Parliament was begun and Holden,

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and is now Holden, for certain pressing courses and considerations,

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we have thought fit to prorogue our said Parliament.

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We therefore, confiding much in the fidelity,

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prudence and circumspection of our commissioners,

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have by the consent of our council assigned to our commissioners,

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giving to you or any three or more of you full power and authority

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in our name to prorogue and continue our present Parliament

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in our city of Westminster, from Thursday the 27th day of April

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or Friday the 28th day of April until Tuesday the second day of May.

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We command that you attend the premises and fulfil them.

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We also command all and singular, art archbishops, Lords, baronets,

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mites, and all others to make concerns to meet at Harris said

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Parliament over two of these presence that they assist

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you in executing the premises as they ought to do.

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In witness thereof we have caused these letters to be made patent,

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witness ourselves at Westminster in the 66th year of our reign.

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By the Queen herself, signed with her own hand.

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Jake Thorne, on his fourth stay in office as Reading Clerk.

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He swaps places with the deputy clerk of the Crown.

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By virtue of the commission now read, we declare and notified

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to you the Lords spiritual and temporal and Commons

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in Parliament assembled that Her Majesty has

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given her Royal Assent to the acts in the commission mentioned

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and the clerks are required to pass the same in the usual

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The deputy clerk of the Crown will read the titles of the acts.

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He is giving the Royal Assent in Norman French.

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Intellectual property, unjustified threats act.

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Preventing and combating violence against women and domestic violence

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Health service medical supplies costs act.

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Northern Ireland Ministerial Appointments And Regional Rates Act.

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Local audit public access to documents act.

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Merchant Shipping, Homosexual Conduct Act.

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Faversham Oyster Fishery Company Act.

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22 acts passed in the last few days of this parliamentary session

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We are commanded to deliver Her Majesty'sspeech

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My Lords and members of the House of Commons.

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My government has pursued a programme that has delivered

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security and strong leadership and began the task of making Britain

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My ministers have brought forward measures to build a stronger economy

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and a more united nation while also acting to counter threats

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to national security and build a more outward

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The defence of the realm has remained an utmost priority

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Legislation was passed to ensure that law enforcement and security

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agencies had the powers to disrupt terrorist attacks.

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My government has continued with a programme to reform

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New legislation will help make the police and Fire Service

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more capable, efficient and locally accountable.

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Building on the success of last year's anti-corruption Summit,

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legislation was introduced to tackle money-laundering, seize

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criminal assets and combat terrorist financing,

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to build a stronger economy my government has taken forward

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measures as part of its plans for a stronger Britain

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so the country is well placed to exploit new opportunities

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in the global economy and ensure the benefits are spread

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through the country, to ensure the UK remains a leader

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in developing new technologies, draft legislation was published

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setting out a new framework to support the growing commercial

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space flight industry, to foster innovation and foster

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creative industries, legislation reforming the law

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My ministers have you continued investment and infrastructure

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projects to ensure local communities can grow and prosper.

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Legislation was passed to support the building of a high-speed railway

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from London to Birmingham and allow for better local bus

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My government has also legislated to ensure all households can access

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fast broadband and allow new telecommunications

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infrastructure to be rolled out across the nation.

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Legislation has given communities more control over

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To build a fairer society my government has brought forward

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measures to protect the most vulnerable and drive greater social

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reform so every child has the chance to make the most of their talents.

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To this end legislation has been passed to enable a world-class

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technical education system that provides opportunities

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Legislation has been asked to improve soldier and's social care

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in England and put the national citizens service

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My government also supported legislation to tackle homelessness

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Provision was also made to help low income families save for the future

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to help young people save for the long term

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with a lifetime ISA and to protect pension schemes.

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With a rough edition of the important role of charities,

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legislation helped charities and community sports clubs

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by simplifying the gift aid donation scheme.

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A new act will enable the NHS and the taxpayer to secure better

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value for money from the growing cost of medicines.

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To build a more united nation, my government has made it a priority

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to strengthen the union between all parts of the UK.

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Legislation established a long-term devolution settlement in Wales

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and an England significant new powers have been devolved

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My government has taken steps to enable the resumption of devolved

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government in Northern Ireland when an agreement is reached

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To deliver the results of the 2016 referendum,

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legislation allowing the UK formally to signal its intent to withdraw

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My government has worked to ensure a global Britain plays a leading

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role in world affairs and provided assistance to British

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To bolster the UK's role in developing countries,

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new legislation will allow further investment to create more jobs

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and boost economic growth in the poorest countries in Africa

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Legislation was enacted to protect cultural property in times of law.

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Legislation was enacted to protect cultural property in times of waw.

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Legislation was enacted to protect cultural property in times of war.

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The Duke of Edinburgh and I were pleased to welcome

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the President of the Republic of Colombia in November,

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strengthening our friendship with an important partner in Latin America.

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My ministers established a close relationship

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with the new administration in the United States.

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My government has continued to play a leading role in the global

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coalition against Daesh and employed British troops in Estonia and Poland

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as part of Nato's enhanced presence while maintaining the UN consensus

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My ministers have pursued a campaign against modern slavery

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and help to secure pledges of ?4.6 billion for the humanitarian

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crisis in Syria during a conference in Brussels in April.

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Members of the House of Commons, I thank you for the provisions

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you have made for the work and dignity of the crowned

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you have made for the work and dignity of the crown

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My lords and members of the House of commons,

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I pray that the blessing of Almighty God may rest

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My lords, and members of the House of Commons,

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by virtue of Her Majesty's commission, which has been now read,

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we do, in Her Majesty's name, and in obedience to her commands,

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prorogue this Parliament to the second day of May,

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to be then here Holden and this Parliament is accordingly prorogued

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Lady Evans, who used to work in a think tank,

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I bet she never thought she would end up doing that job.

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Farewell from the Royal Commissioners,

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They have been prorogued, and both Houses of Parliament

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will actually be dissolved at one minute past midnight

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The proclamation will be read in Edinburgh by the Lord.

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And the State Opening will be on the 19th of June when the Queen

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will outline the plans for the next Parliament.

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I say the State Opening, it's not going to have robes,

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the Queen won't wear her crown, it's being done in

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They say there isn't enough time to prepare.

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I remember the last time that happened was in March 1974,

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when the Queen was in Australia for some of the election campaign.

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Sean Curran, this Parliament comes to an end and by definition almost,

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we are going, a lot of MPs will be retiring.

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We had one announcement today that Sir Edward Garnier is retiring.

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The Yeoman Usher, the deputy Sergeant at Arms to the House

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of Lords will escort out the Lord Speaker.

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We might see some of those turn up in the Commons for the last time

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to shake the Speaker's hand but they have had a long

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wait because the Commons finished its business at 11:15am.

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We've all had lots of things to do obviously.

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Since 2014 it's been possible for members to retire

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Still keeping the membership around 800 because new ones

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The sergeant-at-arms is now not with the mace because Parliament

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He is accompanied there by the Speaker.

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And so we've seen the Commons summoned to the Lords,

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the appointment of the Royal Commission, Royal assent given to 22

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acts and the prorogation of this Parliament culminated

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And although all these people have been to the House of Lords,

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the Speaker is now going to inform them as to what they have just seen.

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Who are you going to miss amongst the retirees?

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I think, interestingly, some of the people retiring aren't

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necessarily household names but have a big impact.

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I was quite surprised to see that Iain Wright,

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the Labour MP for Hartlepool who had been the chair of the business

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Actually somebody who I think had had quite a big impact

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with his committee on a lot of issues that affect

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He had that big tussle with Sports Direct.

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That will change the landscape of the committees.

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Of course we are also losing some familiar names in Westminster.

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Although we might not have seen him quite as much.

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I think he is spending his time counting his money.

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He's made one speech in Parliament...

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The House has been to the House of Peers where a Commission

:32:17.:32:19.

was read authorising the Royal assent to the following acts.

:32:20.:32:24.

Parking places variation of charges act 2017.

:32:25.:32:31.

Broadcasting radio multiplex services act 2017.

:32:32.:32:39.

Intellectual Property, Unjustified Threats Act 2017.

:32:40.:32:58.

Technical And Further Education Act 2017.

:32:59.:33:22.

Health Service Medical Supplies Costs Act 2017.

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Northern Ireland Ministerial Appointments

:33:49.:33:50.

Local Audit Public Access to Documents Act 2017.

:33:51.:33:59.

Merchant Shipping Homosexual Conduct Act 2017.

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Guardianship Missing Persons Act 2017.

:34:11.:34:15.

Higher Education and Research Act 2017.

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Faversham Oyster Fishery Company Act 2017.

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I have further to acquaint the House that the Leader

:34:41.:34:55.

of the House of Lords, one of the Lords' Commissions

:34:56.:34:58.

delivered Her Majesty's most gracious speech to both Houses

:34:59.:35:00.

of Parliament in pursuance of Her Majesty's command.

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For greater accuracy, I have obtained a copy,

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and also directed that the terms of the speech be printed

:35:08.:35:09.

Copies are being made available in the vote office.

:35:10.:35:29.

The Commission was also for proroguing this present

:35:30.:35:34.

Parliament, and the Leader of the House of Lords said: "My lords

:35:35.:35:37.

and members of the House of Commons, by virtue of Her Majesty's

:35:38.:35:40.

Commission, which has been now read, we do, in Her Majesty's name,

:35:41.:35:44.

and in obedience to Her Majesty's commands, prorogue this Parliament

:35:45.:35:50.

This Parliament is accordingly prorogued to Tuesday

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STUDIO: So, they won't see them on May 2nd.

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Good news really that in this busy Parliament there was time to pass

:36:32.:36:39.

bills for farriers and indeed the Faversham Oyster farm.

:36:40.:36:42.

Fisheries, I'm doing them a disservice.

:36:43.:36:47.

That's the Solicitor General shaking hands with the Speaker.

:36:48.:36:52.

He's just shaken hands with the government Chief Whip.

:36:53.:36:59.

Now the shadow Leader of the Commons for Labour.

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Tobias Ellwood, the Foreign Office minister recently appointed

:37:03.:37:08.

to the Privy Council, following his actions on that

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You may think it sounds a bit silent in the Commons, it does,

:37:12.:37:15.

because the formal part of the session has ended, there is

:37:16.:37:18.

I'm afraid that's why you can't hear these nice chats with the Speaker.

:37:19.:37:32.

Andrew Percy there, saying goodbye at this session to the Speaker.

:37:33.:37:37.

From the dissolution on Wednesday, MPs will no longer be MPs.

:37:38.:37:39.

And of course hereditary peers in your House,

:37:40.:38:00.

they die and then there are these strange by-elections when they die.

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Not just if they die but if they choose to retire.

:38:04.:38:05.

Are you a supporter of by-elections for hereditary peers?

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Now I've retired I'm allowed to have a view and the short

:38:08.:38:10.

The curiosity of the nature of the electorate and even more

:38:11.:38:14.

so the people who can stand, which doesn't include

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you or me but only people who have a hereditary peerage,

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means they are not our finest moment, having to run

:38:22.:38:23.

The system was introduced to enable the numbers to be kept up

:38:24.:38:39.

I think this is Fiona Mactaggart getting a kiss.

:38:40.:38:49.

She has announced this week she is standing down.

:38:50.:38:55.

An MP since 1997, representing Slough.

:38:56.:38:57.

She said this week after 20 years she had done her bit.

:38:58.:39:08.

Mr Morris was the keyboard player for Rick Astley.

:39:09.:40:15.

Eric Pickles who announced this week he was going to stand down.

:40:16.:40:18.

He's the kind of person we could end up seeing

:40:19.:40:20.

in the House of Lords, David.

:40:21.:40:21.

There's normally a list of new peers after a dissolution, yes.

:40:22.:40:24.

But it's not always predictable who the lucky

:40:25.:40:26.

As an ex-Cabinet minister it's not at all unlikely.

:40:27.:40:29.

An emotional moment, that's someone leaving

:40:30.:40:32.

There's Iain Wright who we were just talking about,

:40:33.:40:35.

He's been pretty busy this Parliament.

:40:36.:40:37.

He's had a high-profile role in Parliamentary terms.

:40:38.:40:39.

He may not be a household name but someone who did

:40:40.:40:42.

That's the Culture Secretary saying goodbye to the Speaker.

:40:43.:40:46.

Yes, and he chaired, along with Frank Field,

:40:47.:40:48.

They did make it up and there were warm words being exchanged

:40:49.:40:53.

They famously had a difficult relationship.

:40:54.:41:01.

There was a joke going around that involved dwarves

:41:02.:41:03.

Simon Burns had to make a lot of apologies for that.

:41:04.:41:07.

He's been a member of the Chelmsford since 1987.

:41:08.:41:11.

Sir Alan Haselhurst, I would be surprised if he isn't

:41:12.:41:14.

there but he has served since 1970 as an MP, with a small

:41:15.:41:17.

Simon Burns is saying he's going to come and campaign

:41:18.:41:42.

for the Speaker in Beaconsfield, not Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire

:41:43.:41:49.

Buckinghamshire yes, Buckingham.

:41:50.:41:50.

Normally the Speaker stands as the Speaker

:41:51.:42:09.

The Liberal Democrats have announced they are standing.

:42:10.:42:12.

Whether John Bercow bonds Sir Simon Burns's support.

:42:13.:42:18.

He is famously an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary Clinton

:42:19.:42:20.

and was campaigning for her during the US presidential election.

:42:21.:42:22.

And has campaigned for the Democrats over many years.

:42:23.:42:24.

It's one of the interesting features, along with

:42:25.:42:26.

Sir Alan Duncan, another prominent supporter of the Democrats

:42:27.:42:29.

In having quite a large majority there but that

:42:30.:42:45.

For quite a short period, deputy leader of the Conservative Party.

:42:46.:42:50.

When was he deputy leader of the Conservative Party?

:42:51.:42:54.

It may have been under William Hague or John Major.

:42:55.:42:59.

He was definitely deputy leader of the Conservatives

:43:00.:43:07.

We will look it up after this programme.

:43:08.:43:33.

There are a lot of Conservative MPs who have stayed,

:43:34.:43:35.

I don't know if that's normal that it's the Government benches to stay.

:43:36.:43:44.

I think Labour MPs historically have not tended to stay

:43:45.:43:47.

Who was the standout backbencher for you?

:43:48.:44:00.

I think it depends upon your criteria.

:44:01.:44:17.

I think we can see there Peter Bone is lining up, I think

:44:18.:44:20.

he was an influential backbencher, one of those who was

:44:21.:44:22.

agitating behind-the-scenes to get the referendum.

:44:23.:44:24.

Another person with a lot of influence, maybe not a household

:44:25.:44:26.

name, was Steve Baker, another Conservative Eurosceptic

:44:27.:44:28.

because of the way they organised their colleagues.

:44:29.:44:30.

The mysterious unseen person in the studio,

:44:31.:44:35.

researcher Simon Vaughan, has produced evidence that

:44:36.:44:37.

Peter Lilley was deputy leader of the Conservative Party

:44:38.:44:42.

That's embarrassing because I was here so I should have known.

:44:43.:45:01.

Now he will no longer even be known by the electors

:45:02.:45:03.

Kit Malthouse has search Boris Johnson.

:45:04.:45:10.

On the deputy mayor in charge of policing.

:45:11.:45:12.

That is Natalie McGarry who began as an SNP member,

:45:13.:45:18.

now an independent and she will not stand at this election so she spoke

:45:19.:45:21.

She had the whip withdrawn by the SNP.

:45:22.:45:28.

She has faced well documented difficulties.

:45:29.:45:35.

We also had quite a number of by-elections in this session.

:45:36.:45:40.

Sean, how many by-elections have there been in the last year?

:45:41.:45:44.

Made her maiden speech this week, it almost looked

:45:45.:45:58.

like she would come in and go out without saying anything.

:45:59.:46:02.

Ozzy O'Brien, he won Darlington for a Labour in 1983 and lasted

:46:03.:46:21.

three months later at the general election and was never

:46:22.:46:30.

Caroline Johnson is quite a new MP, she is saying farewell.

:46:31.:46:34.

That replaced Steven Phillips, the barrister who resigned quite

:46:35.:46:43.

suddenly, basically falling out with the Government over

:46:44.:46:45.

Martin Vickers from Cleethorpes, he never hesitates to speak up

:46:46.:46:55.

David, we have had difficulties in the Commons about expenses

:46:56.:47:09.

but this parliament has been far free of them.

:47:10.:47:11.

You have had difficulties in the Lords.

:47:12.:47:14.

Yes, not too many and the good news is that since the House of Lords

:47:15.:47:18.

suspension act of last year, or the year before...

:47:19.:47:24.

Sir Gerald Howard saying farewell, a doughty fighter

:47:25.:47:26.

The House has power to suspend for any period or to expel members

:47:27.:47:40.

One of the grounds of which you were expelled without any specific

:47:41.:47:54.

decision in the House is if you were sentenced

:47:55.:47:56.

to a long prison sentence, so that would happen

:47:57.:47:58.

He was a great admirer of Margaret Thatcher.

:47:59.:48:14.

I think one of the features of this year has been Thursdays when we saw

:48:15.:48:24.

some personal speeches, Conservative MP Vicki Fox talked

:48:25.:48:42.

about losing a baby, Michelle Thompson talked about sexual

:48:43.:48:44.

assault and we had some emotional debates that showed backbenchers

:48:45.:48:47.

prepared to talk openly about things people would keep private.

:48:48.:48:50.

That was a feature of this Parliament, a change

:48:51.:48:52.

People find it easier to talk about these things.

:48:53.:48:56.

Clapping has broken out to some extent, where

:48:57.:48:58.

I don't mind because if you are trying to report Parliament

:48:59.:49:07.

for the news it makes for good audio and video, so from a professional

:49:08.:49:10.

point of view I like moments of drama like that.

:49:11.:49:15.

We had applause before, when Tony Blair stood down in 2007

:49:16.:49:18.

With the arrival of the SNP, they started clapping as a block

:49:19.:49:29.

and that made an impact and then when Hilary Benn made his speech

:49:30.:49:39.

during the debate on bombing raids, there was applause after that

:49:40.:49:42.

and we had applause for Andy Burnham's speech

:49:43.:49:44.

The clerk of the Commons wore his wig today as it is a semi-state

:49:45.:49:54.

occasion, but the clerks in the Commons abandoned their wigs

:49:55.:50:00.

in February but they have been kept in the Lords.

:50:01.:50:04.

So far, yes, there has been talk about it but those members

:50:05.:50:07.

who raised the matter when it was announced

:50:08.:50:09.

that we were stopping wearing them in the Commons were keen

:50:10.:50:11.

I am waiting to see if anyone proposes that

:50:12.:50:15.

Never let it be said that the laws rushed into a change.

:50:16.:50:22.

The Lords are sometimes progressive, we were four and a half years

:50:23.:50:25.

ahead of the Commons in introducing TV cameras.

:50:26.:50:36.

What change would you like to see developed in the Lords?

:50:37.:50:41.

What one thing would you like to see change?

:50:42.:50:47.

I think I would say Question Time could be more effective if it

:50:48.:50:50.

We waste rather a lot of the available time with members

:50:51.:50:59.

fighting each other to get in the next supplementary

:51:00.:51:16.

and if we could be find a way of avoiding that,

:51:17.:51:18.

A very assiduous chair of the Public Accounts Committee,

:51:19.:51:22.

he gave way to Margaret Hodge, and equally assiduous chair.

:51:23.:51:24.

Sir Edward doesn't want to move out of Parliament.

:51:25.:51:29.

If the restoration ever happens, they were going to vote on this

:51:30.:51:32.

before Easter but they didn't and he is firmly of the opinion

:51:33.:51:36.

that they should not move out while repairs take place.

:51:37.:51:38.

Yes, there is a big job that has to be done and the longer you put it

:51:39.:51:47.

off there is a chance they will have to move in a hurry.

:51:48.:51:59.

It seems the officials think you have to go and members

:52:00.:52:01.

A small minority of members are saying that.

:52:02.:52:05.

We had a small committee who unanimously recommended

:52:06.:52:07.

in favour of doing the job in one fell swoop.

:52:08.:52:18.

This line seems to be about the same length for the last five minutes,

:52:19.:52:24.

people coming out of the woodwork to shake hands and lining

:52:25.:52:28.

up, waiting their turn is the Sergeant at Arms and...

:52:29.:52:31.

There are MPs who are very much Commons chamber people and those

:52:32.:52:54.

And some confessed that within a few weeks or months,

:52:55.:52:57.

there is Simon Hall, somebody who does like the chamber,

:52:58.:53:03.

he likes being there in debates and getting involved but you find

:53:04.:53:08.

MPs who, after a few months say they didn't find

:53:09.:53:10.

And people think they are not working.

:53:11.:53:16.

They tend to say they would rather concentrate on casework and do not

:53:17.:53:20.

Peter Bone, very keen on being in the chamber,

:53:21.:53:28.

when Mr Cameron was Prime Minister and asking him questions

:53:29.:53:31.

when he would invoke the name of his wife,

:53:32.:53:37.

Mrs Bone, he doesn't seem to do that so often.

:53:38.:53:40.

I think we had Mrs Bone's birthday, which Theresa May

:53:41.:53:58.

dealt with not as deftly as she might have done.

:53:59.:54:01.

Bob Blackman, shaking hands with the MP.

:54:02.:54:02.

A chuckle as we remember that happy day.

:54:03.:54:05.

I get the impression in a house of 800, about three quarters

:54:06.:54:08.

of the speaking is done by 100 peers.

:54:09.:54:10.

There are others who regard their role as either working

:54:11.:54:15.

in committees or in some cases supporting their party in divisions.

:54:16.:54:24.

Alistair Birt, a strong remain supporter saying farewell.

:54:25.:54:28.

It's very windy at Westminster two days ago, he had

:54:29.:54:30.

The Speaker seemed interested in his Tie.

:54:31.:54:43.

I think we have just one more actual MP.

:54:44.:54:51.

Is it a privilege to be the last MP to shake the Speaker's hand?

:54:52.:54:54.

I thought, David, in your neck of the woods they could do with more

:54:55.:55:07.

It was harder because with a male Speaker, three of them

:55:08.:55:17.

But there is room to do better next time.

:55:18.:55:29.

His predecessor told me at the bus stop he would not stand again.

:55:30.:55:44.

A champion ruiner of Private Members' Bills, Andrew Dismal.

:55:45.:55:48.

Now the Sergeant at Arms, a karate black belt,

:55:49.:55:52.

in case you think he looks like a softly.

:55:53.:55:55.

He came from the Ministry of Justice.

:55:56.:56:01.

This will be the end of his first full session of Parliament.

:56:02.:56:06.

Lawrence Ward, his predecessor, retired at the end of 2016.

:56:07.:56:16.

The sergeant was chosen by a panel of MPs headed

:56:17.:56:19.

It is still the black belt that is most worrying,

:56:20.:56:36.

and at the back, principled doorkeeper of the House of Commons.

:56:37.:56:39.

David, you have seen your last parliament in session.

:56:40.:57:03.

When you and knows your retirement you didn't realise the election

:57:04.:57:05.

Until it was announced I hadn't expected it.

:57:06.:57:08.

I felt sorry for my successor on his first working day

:57:09.:57:11.

in office, the Prime Minister announced a dissolution.

:57:12.:57:14.

Your successor took office on Monday this week.

:57:15.:57:21.

He took office at Easter but was sworn in at the first sitting day.

:57:22.:57:26.

When that happened everyone moved up a little bit,

:57:27.:57:32.

so the old Reading Clerk, Simon Burton, became clerk Assistant

:57:33.:57:34.

He doesn't have to take an oath, it's only the clerk of Parliament.

:57:35.:57:44.

With the other tabled posts, the House has to approve

:57:45.:57:47.

the Speaker's appointment so a motion was agreed

:57:48.:57:49.

So when they performed today that was their first time on parade.

:57:50.:58:11.

Sean, your final thoughts on this Parliament, is pretty short

:58:12.:58:23.

I think it's been an extraordinary Parliament because it has been

:58:24.:58:30.

dominated by Brexit, the arguments ahead

:58:31.:58:35.

of the referendum, the campaign which saw the resignation

:58:36.:58:43.

of the Prime Minister, having previously won his majority

:58:44.:58:48.

in his own right just a year before, then those extraordinary few days

:58:49.:58:52.

and weeks following his resignation and we sought Theresa May become

:58:53.:58:58.

and weeks following his resignation and we saw Theresa May become

:58:59.:59:00.

She has not been in office a year and now we're going for an election.

:59:01.:59:06.

It has been an extremely interesting Parliament.

:59:07.:59:07.

I'm not sure we will ever see another like this.

:59:08.:59:14.

Fascinating fact, I believe there was one government defeat

:59:15.:59:23.

in the Commons in this whole Parliament.

:59:24.:59:24.

Which has upset the Conservatives in office before, Mrs Thatcher

:59:25.:59:28.

There have been threatened rebellions we have seen policy

:59:29.:59:43.

being modified or shelved that that was the only Commons defeat.

:59:44.:59:46.

And Lords defeat, 38 in this session as opposed to 60 in the last session

:59:47.:59:49.

I'm not sure I can say that, the opposition can pick

:59:50.:59:55.

their moments and perhaps they have been more focused when they seek

:59:56.:59:57.

You can see why he is there and diplomats clerk.

:59:58.:00:07.

But the Lords is a place where there seems to be defeats.

:00:08.:00:16.

It will be interesting how the Lords react

:00:17.:00:19.

to the Queen's Speech that we will see

:00:20.:00:26.

to the Queen's Speech that we we'll see

:00:27.:00:28.

And the last people have left the House of Commons and it's

:00:29.:00:32.

left to the sergeants, the clerks, the doorkeepers,

:00:33.:00:34.

they have the place all to themselves for a few weeks.

:00:35.:00:37.

It will not be quiet on BBC Parliament.

:00:38.:00:40.

We will bring live speeches and election events

:00:41.:00:42.

from the campaign trail in the coming weeks

:00:43.:00:47.

and live coverage from the Scottish Parliament,

:00:48.:00:49.

Welsh Assembly and the European Parliament.

:00:50.:00:52.

The action will return to Westminster with a meeting

:00:53.:00:59.

of the 57th Parliament on Tuesday 13th of June and on that day

:01:00.:01:03.

the Commons and Lords will meet at 2:30pm and MPs

:01:04.:01:05.

I hope you will join us for the election campaign,

:01:06.:01:18.

but from all of us here, Sean Curran, Sir David Beamish,

:01:19.:01:23.

thank you both very much and from Westminster,

:01:24.:01:26.

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