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Live coverage of the Scottish Labour Party Conference from the Caird Hall, Dundee, including the keynote speech by Richard Leonard. Presented by Andrew Kerr with Brian Taylor.


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Hello and welcome to live coverage

of Scottish Labour's Spring

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conference from Dundee. For the

first time, the new leader Richard

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Leonard will make his keynote

address. We will bring you that

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shortly. The conference has been

dominated by debate about Brexit,

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why Labour can't back single market

membership was laid out by UK leader

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Jeremy Corbyn.

We are determined to

negotiate a deal, determined to

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negotiate a deal that gives us full

tariff free access to the single

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market. But divisions are laid bare.

Former Scottish leader Kezia Dugdale

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has been saying why we should be in

the single market.

And I will be

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here in Dundee itself to bring you

all the very latest from the

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conference floor and from the

fringe.

This is the first of our

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conference programmes. The beast

from East put paid to our conference

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coverage of the Scottish Tories in

Aberdeen last week. I'm delighted to

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say we will have all the action live

from the Labour conference in the

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Caird Hall in Dundee. As ever, I'm

joined in the studio by Professor

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Sir John Curtis. Thank you for

joining us. This is Richard

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Leonard's first conference speech as

leader. What do you think he has to

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do?

The most obvious and immediate

thing he has to do is try to move

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the journalists' attention away from

the row about Brexit that you

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referred to, onto himself first of

all, and secondly his plans for

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Scotland. Richard Leonard's most

basic problem at the moment is very

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few people in Scotland know who he

is. When YouGov recently asked

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people whether or not they thought

he was doing well or badly as

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Scottish leader, no less than 60%

said, I do not know. I think most of

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those 60% were probably replying,

please Richard Leonard. The first

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thing is to get himself across. The

second thing is to begin to try to

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persuade people that the vision he

has for Scottish Labour, which is

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clearly a much more left-wing

message, much closer to Jeremy

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Corbyn, is one that can begin to

attract voters. Some evidence that

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probably back in June of last year

under Jeremy Corbyn's UK leadership,

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the Labour Party in Scotland began

to peel off the more left-wing

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element of support for the SNP. He

wants to hang onto that, grow that

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constituency. The thing he has to

worry about is the Labour Party lost

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a lot of votes last year to the

Conservatives and winning them back

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with a more left-wing agenda might

prove more difficult. Much for more

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from John later in the programme.

We

can go across live to Brian Taylor

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who is in the Caird Hall in Dundee

for the duration. Your assessment of

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what Richard Leonard has to do at

this conference, and we always like

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to speak about the mood of the

conference in initial discussions.

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It secure is mood because there is a

surface unity and calm, but bubbling

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beneath that is a very substantial

subject of Brexit and what the party

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is going to do, what stands it will

take. I expect Richard Leonard, the

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main topic I think will be on

housing. He will talk about rent

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controls and ways to make it easier

for tenants so they don't face what

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he would describe as extortionate

rents from landlords. It will be a

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speech in the classical Labour mould

in that regard. And John is right,

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he needs to reach out to all

sections of the party, and I'm sure

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he will begin by thanking his

predecessor, Kezia Dugdale, despite

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the fact she is now taking a

different stance on the issue of the

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single market. I just came from a

fringe meeting where Kezia Dugdale

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was speaking, the organisation of

Scottish Labour for the single

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market, and she said it adamant that

it's not about factions in the party

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or ego, but she was equally adamant

this is an extremely important

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topic. At the same fringe, Ian

Murray MP was asked what was

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required to get the concept of

membership of the single market into

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the bill, the withdrawal bill in the

Commons, otherwise in practical

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terms, what's the process. He said

it's quite simple, we have to

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convince the Labour front bench.

Much more from Brian Taylor later.

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John, let's pick up on this, that

row that has dominated the

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conference, about the single market

membership. Just as Brian Taylor

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laid out. From the very first

moment, from Thursday night before

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conference even started, the

Scottish executive committee met,

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that row began. Explain it to us.

The truth is, there has long been

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pressure inside the Labour Party

both north and south of the border

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for the party to come out in favour

of staying inside the EU single

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market. A survey of Labour Party

members recently suggested around

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85% of them are in favour of staying

inside the single market. That

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internal debate going on for a

while. We had a classic Labour Party

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row about procedure. There were some

motions down for debate tomorrow

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morning, put forward not least by

Ian Murray's on constituency in

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Edinburgh South, saying the Scottish

Labour Party should commit to being

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in favour of staying in the single

market. Lo and behold, the Scottish

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executive comes along with a motion

that now has priority that basically

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doesn't say that and tries to unify

the party behind the idea of staying

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inside the customs union but not

this early going to the single

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market, although they are not ruling

it out. Those procedural rows

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inevitably have a tendency to take

on a life of their own, especially

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when we know it's a division inside

the party. It might save Richard

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Leonard's face tomorrow morning, but

it's meant his conference has been

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dominated by this row that frankly

didn't need a great deal of ignition

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for it to take off.

Brian pointed

out that undercurrent is there, that

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buzz is around conference, people

were fairly upbeat and there seems

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to be a fairly upbeat mood. But that

undercurrent is there, about the

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divisions when it comes to...

It's

worth reminding ourselves, compared

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to 12 months ago, the Scottish

Labour Party is in a lot better

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state. When you and I talked about

the Scottish Labour Party conference

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12 months ago, we were talking about

a party that was around 15% in the

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opinion polls and looked set for a

pasting in the local elections in

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May. It survived the local

elections, with 20% of the vote, it

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lost Glasgow and North Lanarkshire

but it did survive. It then gain

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some ground in the election last

year, not spectacular, but it gained

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ground, and we are now look at a

party at around 25% of the vote, in

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competition with the Scottish

Conservatives to be second party in

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Scotland. There is a lot to be

relieved that, if not necessarily

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happy. But for all parties,

Conservative, Labour, SNP, even the

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Liberal Democrats, Brexit is an

internally disruptive issue and all

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parties are divided and all parties'

supporters are divided. We know the

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majority of people who voted Labour

voted to remain, including around

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70% of Scottish Labour voters. The

trouble with the way the party sees

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it is that people inside the party

who above all were most likely to

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vote to leave, for its most

working-class supporters, and there

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is still a big affection inside the

Labour Party for that traditional

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core working-class support. One

might want to argue it is taking too

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much notice of that. But because its

vote is divided and because the more

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Eurosceptic end of its vote among

the more traditional working-class

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support, Labour is trying to say as

little as possible about its

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position on Brexit, not just in

Scotland but at UK level.

Going back

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to Dundee, speaking of the slight

revival in the Labour fortunes, how

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much of an element of that is down

to Jeremy Corbyn, do you think? He

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said in his speech yesterday that

they are no longer a party of

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opposition at Westminster at least.

A fan base, but it's a fan base

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within the Labour Party, whether it

extends beyond that to wider

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supporters is an entirely different

question.

We have been talking here

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about the row about the single

market membership. That has been

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unfortunate perhaps for Labour at

their conference, when Richard

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Leonard, who will be speaking

shortly, is trying to stamp his

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authority on the party.

I don't

think he would see it as stamping

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his authority, I think he would see

it as being in tune with the

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position adopted by Jeremy Corbyn,

who has been Eurosceptical at many

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points in the past. He campaigned

for remain, but some felt he didn't

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campaign all that vigorously. He

made a substantial point in his

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speech yesterday, saying that he

believes there could be constraints

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on a socialist programme of

government, socialist intervention

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in industry, nationalisation and

state aid etc, and Kezia Dugdale was

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seeking to rebut that at the fringe,

saying there was no evidence to say

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the EU would countermand the Labour

Party manifesto. She pointed to

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state owned outfits in the railways

in France, Germany and elsewhere.

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She didn't believe state aid would

be blocked in the way Jeremy Corbyn

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was suggesting. She was arguing that

leaving the single market would be

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catastrophic for employment. You

have a very fundamental dispute that

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is taking place. It's taking place,

of course, perhaps across fault

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lines that emerged during the

leadership competition, that leads

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to a suggestion that it is a little

more than just an argument about an

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individual issue. In that sense it

could be factional, although I

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stress that Kezia Dugdale was

adamant it was not the case. And

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Richard Leonard said he welcomes

debate within the party.

We should

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hear from Richard Leonard fairly

soon. One final point on the Jeremy

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Corbyn speech yesterday. He said

yesterday that they cannot be held

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back, inside or outside the EU from

taking the steps they need to

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develop. He made a controversial

point, according to some people, of

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preventing employers from importing

cheap agency labour to undercut

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resident employment and that caused

an argument.

Kezia Dugdale Andy

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Murray picked up that at the fringe.

-- and Ian Murray picked up on that,

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and they said the only person

laughing at that would-be Nigel

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Farage and Ukip.

We will pick up

shortly with John Curtis in the

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studio. It caused quite a row, the

comment Jeremy Corbyn made about

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importing cheap agency labour.

It

takes us to the heart of the

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argument about whether the UK will

remain inside the single market or

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not. It's perfectly clear from the

stands taken by the European Union

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that the only way we can remain in

the single market, indeed probably

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the only way we can get so-called

full access to the single market,

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the phrase the UK Labour Party has

been using, is by accepting the

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provisions of freedom of movement,

that EU citizens would be continued

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to allow to come to the UK to work

without anyone else having a say so.

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That was a central issue of the

referendum. It's undoubtedly a

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crucial issue that led to a narrow

majority vote in favour of leave.

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Because the Labour Party knows that

quite a significant proportion of

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its voters are concerned about

immigration, therefore that is one

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of the reasons why Jeremy Corbyn is

taking the stance that he is,

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because at the end of the day, he

realises that single market

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membership means free movement. He

has other concerns as well, but I

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think in truth that's the reason

that was picked up. On the other

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hand, the Scottish Labour MEP

Catherine Sterner said the Labour

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Party should stand up and argue in

favour of the benefits of

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immigration and take a principled

position. I suspect even a less

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Eurosceptic leader than Jeremy

Corbyn might just respond, that's

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all well and dandy, but the truth

is, I am hoping to win a UK Labour

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election sooner rather than later

and to that extent at least I need

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to be aware that there is actually

quite widespread concern about the

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levels of immigration in the UK has

experienced in recent years and

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therefore I'm not quite sure whether

I want to take such an exposed

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position on the issue as you suggest

I should.

John, Richard Leonard will

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be making his first conference

speech as leader. But this is a

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party that is now in third place at

Holyrood.

It is in third place at

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Holyrood, still in third place in

terms of the number of MPs that the

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party has at Westminster. And it's

in third place in Scottish local

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government. To that extent at least,

it has been a very difficult to

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years for the party. But at least in

the wake of the June election, it

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began to turn things around. And by

the way, it turned around well Kezia

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Dugdale was still leader, but that

bit of history seems to have been

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rubbed out. But certainly Richard

Leonard has inherited a party that

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at least has some chance of getting

back into second place from the

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falls to third place it has recently

experienced.

We can go live to the

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Caird Hall in Dundee where we are

about to hear from Richard Leonard,

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at least I think he was being

introduced and we should go in very

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shortly to hear from him. Just being

introduced by Maria Fyfe, a former

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Labour MP, and he will give a

keynote address, the first time

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Richard Leonard will speak to the

party in his position as Scottish

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Labour leader after winning.

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APPLAUSE

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Thanks, conference. Can I begin by

saying just how humbling it is to be

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introduced by Maria and Susie? Maria

represents everything great about

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the Scottish Labour Party and Suzy.

Suzy represents everything great

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about the future of the Scottish

Labour Party.

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Labour Party. Comrades and friends,

it is wonderful to be back in

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Dundee, a city which has always been

at the heart of the Labour movement

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in Scotland, from Mary Brooks back

to Margaret Irwin. From Alexander

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Wilkie to the Timex workers, whose

heroic struggle and bitter defeat

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exactly a quarter of a century ago

we mark this year and we should

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never forget. Well, it has been a

while, conference since we have seen

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a map of Scotland on our television

screens covered in so much red as we

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did chewing the storm forecasts of

last week. -- during the storm

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forecasts.

APPLAUSE

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It is little wonder that Tories took

one look and cancel their

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conference.

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conference. Well, let me say, at the

very start this afternoon, that's my

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ambition, our aim, our task, is to

paint that map of Scotland read

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again at the next election.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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-- red. But the beast from the East

served to reminders that in the

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teeth of adversity, Scotland is a

country which puts community first,

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where people look out for their

neighbours, for their friends and

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for their families. Conference that

this is my first conference as your

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leader and I want to begin by

banking Kezia for her leadership and

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technology during the most turbulent

political times. -- banking. Kezia,

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I want to thank you will

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. I said when I stood that now is

the time for real change, real

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change. And and for the Scottish

Labour Party. This conference is a

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springboard for that change and I

want to thank you all for the

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contributions you were making here

this weekend. No one single person

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on their own can bring about the

scale of transformational change

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that the people of Scotland need. We

are the Labour Party and we do it

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together and we will stand or fall

together as well.

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APPLAUSE

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So, let us unite and not simply for

the sake of unity but Unite for the

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sake of renewed unity of purpose and

for the sake of all of those people

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in all of those communities who

don't just need a strong Labour

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opposition but who need a strong

Scottish Labour government. And we

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need to be united now more than

ever, precisely because our society

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is more deeply divided now more than

ever. You know, over 40% of our old

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age pensioners are living in fuel

poverty this winter, forced to

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choose between heating and eating.

Many of us in this hall have

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relatives and neighbours making that

decision every morning this winter.

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And I know, from the 20 years I've

spent as the organiser of the GMB's

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type members section in Scotland,

the harsh reality of what living

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from week to week in pensioner

poverty really means. Now some of

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those pensioners are here at this

conference today, like Jimmy Miller,

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still walked of the union and now a

North Ayrshire Labour councillor. --

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aced all walked -- a stalwart. Sadly

some are not here like Betty Worden,

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a Labour Party member in Springburn

who just passed away a few days ago.

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We will miss her, I will miss her.

But the best way to honour Betty's

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memory is to keep on fighting for

the causes that she believed in.

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the causes that she believed in. So,

I pledge today that I will keep on

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fighting for the eradication once

and for all of pensioner poverty,

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for dignity in retirement and a new

deal for Scotland's pensioners. I

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can give you this cast iron

guarantee as well that this Labour

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Party will fight every inch of the

way any move by the SNP to cut our

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concessionary travel scheme for the

over 60s.

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APPLAUSE

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But it is not just our elderly who

need Labour's support. The number of

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children growing up in poverty in

Scotland is rising and the real

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scandal, the real scandal is that

70% of them are brought up in

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households where at least one adult

is in work. All of this comes, all

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of this property comes, in the midst

of plenty. In Scotland today, the

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richest 1% own more personal wealth

than the whole of the poorest 50%

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put together. That should anger us

as socialists but it should offend

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our sense of morality as a nation as

well. I will tell you this, the rich

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are only so rich because the pool

are so poor.

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are so poor. -- poor. So, it should

jolt us into action because it is a

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sign of just how urgently we need to

change the imbalance of wealth but

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also the imbalance of power in our

economy. So, this really is no time

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to tinker around the edges. I tell

you this, we cannot simply manage

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our way out of those great social

and economic ills which confront us,

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any more than we, as a party, can

simply manage our way back into

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power. So, this afternoon, I want to

leave you with this message, that

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our party's mission under my

leadership is not simply to secure a

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parent distribution of wealth from

the existing economic system, it is

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to fundamentally change the existing

economic system. -- a fairer

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distribution.

APPLAUSE

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Because, I tell you, in Allston 70,

that is the only way to end the

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stark inequality of wealth and power

that confronts us in Scotland today.

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The Scottish Labour mission is to

face the future and to bring about

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real change will stop real change to

that system and its decaying values.

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Real change to that imbalance of

power and the real change in the

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priorities of Scottish politics,

with their new-found sense of

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urgency to give the people of

Scotland hope out of despair.

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Conference, it is just over 100 days

since I was elected leader of the

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Scottish Labour Party. I have used

that time to pursue our goal of real

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and radical change in favour of the

many. My very first act was to join

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the workers at the

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the workers at the gates of... It

was a statement of intent about how

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we would act as a party and how we

would act as a movement. If the

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Scottish Labour Party cannot support

a group of workers in the fight of

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their lives for their jobs, what is

our purpose?

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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In my first week, I also stood

shoulder to shoulder with

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firefighters who are lobbying

Parliament to stop cuts, cuts to our

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Fire And Rescue Services. I have

campaigned on the streets of town

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centres with capital at unite to

oppose Royal Bank of Scotland branch

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closures and I joined picket lines

to back university workers in their

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struggle to defend their pensions

because, while we may challenge

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injustice in the Parliament, we will

always challenge it on the streets

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of Scotland and in our workplaces as

well because that is what we do and

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that is what I have done throughout

my working life. There is one person

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in particular whose struggle I want

to share with you. The very first

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employment tribunal case I pursued

as a union organiser was an equal

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pay claim. Yvonne Trotter was the

head chef at recitals dockyard. We

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discovered that she was being paid

£2 an hour less than her major

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predecessor. We won her case.

0:25:440:25:55

predecessor. We won her case. Yvonne

then had to make a sex

0:25:550:25:58

discrimination claim because, in

pursuing equal pay, she was

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victimised and made redundant. We

won her case.

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APPLAUSE

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And, incredibly, conference, not

long afterwards, I had to represent

0:26:140:26:17

Yvonne again in another equal pay

claim because, in her very next job,

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she discovered that a male chef

doing the same job was paid a higher

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hourly rate. That male chef

incidentally was her husband, Dave.

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And we won her case again.

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But, you know a few weeks ago, I met

up with Yvonne again for the first

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time in about 20 years. Thankfully

this time she had no equal pay

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claims but she did tell me that she

was a Waspi women. One of hundreds

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of thousands of women losing out

financially because of unfair

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pension changes brought in by the

Tories. Yet, she said to me, in a

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quieter moment when we met, she

said, in the end, the fight goes out

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of you. But my message to Yvonne is

the same now as it was the first

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time we met and it is the same

message I sent out to all of those

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of you who are struggling out there.

Do not give up, I will not give up.

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We, in this movement, will never

give up fighting for you.

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APPLAUSE

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Because this Labour movement and

this Labour Party was established to

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take on those fights, to fight

injustice and win equality and that

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is what, under my leadership with

renewed vitality and conviction we

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will do again.

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will do again. Because our job is to

give people confidence. It is to

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raise hope and, sometimes, it is to

overcome fear. That is what this

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movement does and that is what this

party will do. Equality should be at

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the heart of everything we do and

should be at the heart of all that

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we stand for. But there have been

times when we have failed to live up

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to that simple and enduring value.

As a result, we have let people

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down. So there are changes we need

to make to our party. Black, Asian

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and minority ethnic members face a

constant battle against

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discrimination and racism in their

daily lives. They should not have to

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face it in our party.

APPLAUSE

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So, I am delighted that conference

has passed the interim report on how

0:29:450:29:49

we will support our members, how we

will not only

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will not only tackle -- have zero

tolerance towards any harassment

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orders, nation that how we will also

promote equality and diversity in

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our party because, when it comes to

eradicating inequality, Scottish

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Labour will listen to all voices and

we will act on educating our members

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and mobilising our movement.

Conference...

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Conference, we have an old fight on

our hands. Social ills we thought

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had been dealt with once and for all

our back thanks to Tory austerity.

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The weather of the last few weeks

has been atrocious. But for those of

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us in this hall we have, I expect,

been lucky enough to close our doors

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and stay warm. Imagine not having

that option. Imagine having to sleep

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rough on the streets, the streets of

this city or any other, on a hard,

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frozen pavement, or in a shop

doorway. Too many people in Scotland

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don't have to imagine it. Rough

sleeping is all too real. But this

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party knows that it doesn't have to

be this way. It was Labour in the

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Scottish Parliament that introduced

world beating homelessness

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legislation. But through the years

of Tory austerity and brutal welfare

0:31:230:31:29

cuts, and the years of SNP

complacency, rough sleeping is on

0:31:290:31:34

the rise again. So tackling the

scandal of homelessness, of rough

0:31:340:31:42

sleeping, of soaring rents, of too

few affordable homes, lies at the

0:31:420:31:47

very heart of our plans to change

Scotland. I have already secured a

0:31:470:31:52

commitment from the Scottish

Government to review not only the

0:31:520:31:55

scale of rough sleeping in Scotland,

but to consider at last a total ban

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on winter elections. -- winter

evictions.

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And I can today announce that in

parliament we have begun work to

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introduce a new rent restrictions

act, a Mary Barbour law.

0:32:200:32:30

act, a Mary Barbour law. To protect

tenants and to control rents exactly

0:32:340:32:37

as I pledged to do in my leadership

campaign. The Mary Barbour law will

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regulate the private rented sector

to ensure that no one, no one, is

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forced to rent a home that pushes

them into poverty, or falls below

0:32:480:32:53

the standards needed to protect

their physical and mental

0:32:530:32:55

well-being. I passionately believe

that a home is a basic, fundamental

0:32:550:33:03

human rights. APPLAUSE

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And that's why a future Scottish

Labour government would ensure

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access to a safe, secure, habitable

and affordable home. In my view,

0:33:190:33:25

it's a government's obligation to

the people to guarantee everyone,

0:33:250:33:30

making sure everyone can exercise

those rights to live in security, to

0:33:300:33:35

live in peace, and to live in

dignity. But in Scotland today,

0:33:350:33:40

almost one in ten households are

currently waiting for public

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housing. In this city of Dundee

alone, over 7000 households are on

0:33:430:33:48

the waiting list. When Scottish

Labour was last in power we built

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61,000 homes for rent in Scotland.

And when we gain power again, we

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will build again. Not only by

funding local housing associations,

0:33:590:34:06

not only by stimulating housing

co-operatives, which we will do, but

0:34:060:34:12

by restoring powers to local

councils as well. APPLAUSE

0:34:120:34:24

So, let me be clear, under a future

Scottish Labour government, we will

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start building council houses again.

APPLAUSE

0:34:330:34:43

Building more public homes, tackling

rip-off rents and agency fees, will

0:34:460:34:52

create better homes for bringing up

our children. It will reduce the

0:34:520:34:56

cost pressures of housing, and it

will provide a supply of sheltered

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housing too, which will be in

growing demand with our ageing

0:35:000:35:03

populations. And of course, building

more houses means we can boost to

0:35:030:35:09

local economies and generate local

jobs. But we need it to be funded in

0:35:090:35:13

an open and transparent way. Pension

funds seek low-risk investments with

0:35:130:35:21

reasonable return, making them

perfect for long-term finance

0:35:210:35:25

projects. Scottish local government

pension funds hold £42 billion worth

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of assets. So investment in public

housing is a logical next step. What

0:35:300:35:35

is needed then is the political will

to secure the economic

0:35:350:35:40

transformation that Scotland's

needs. And frankly, we are not

0:35:400:35:43

prepared to wait until 2021 for real

change. We are taking the fight to

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the SNP now. So we propose an

anti-austerity budget, which would

0:35:500:35:54

halt cuts to lifeline services.

Invest in the NHS. Tackle child

0:35:540:36:01

poverty by raising child benefit,

and fully fund a pay rise for public

0:36:010:36:06

sector workers, including those in

local government. APPLAUSE

0:36:060:36:17

Because, I tell you, public sector

workers should stop paying the price

0:36:180:36:24

for a crisis they did not create.

APPLAUSE

0:36:240:36:30

And this anti-austerity budget would

be paid for by a social

0:36:350:36:39

responsibility allowance, a tourist

tax, a land value tax on vacant

0:36:390:36:44

land, and, yes, by raising the top

rate of income tax so those with the

0:36:440:36:51

broadest shoulders bare the biggest

burden. Because there is nothing

0:36:510:36:54

wrong of the old socialist

0:36:540:37:02

wrong of the old socialist visible,

-- socialist

0:37:020:37:08

they can also lead the way in the

fight against poverty and inequality

0:37:260:37:32

too. But they are starved of their

resources, stripped of their powers

0:37:320:37:36

and forced to shed their staff by

this SNP government. In education

0:37:360:37:41

alone, we have seen the cuts, cuts

in teacher numbers, cuts in support

0:37:410:37:48

staff members, and we have seen the

rise of parents being asked to buy

0:37:480:37:53

textbooks for their children. Even

to fill teacher vacancies

0:37:530:37:56

themselves. And we still have an

abiding educational attainment gap

0:37:560:38:03

that refuses to narrow, while the

curriculum does just that, closing

0:38:030:38:07

down our children's options. Labour

would offer real change in our

0:38:070:38:13

education service. Scotland needs a

year-round, all age, flexible

0:38:130:38:18

childcare system. It needs local

councils to be able to protect

0:38:180:38:23

education spending. It needs school

teachers do feel respected and

0:38:230:38:26

valued. It needs a college system

that offers fully funded bursaries

0:38:260:38:30

and financially supports students,

instead of one which cuts student

0:38:300:38:36

places in a move which, let me say,

is frankly anti-working class.

0:38:360:38:42

APPLAUSE

0:38:420:38:52

And it needs a university education

system which is based upon access

0:38:540:38:57

according to merit, where there is

no privilege gap. And where the

0:38:570:39:04

poorest students no longer rack up

the highest debts. Our three

0:39:040:39:10

emergency services are also under

attack from austerity. Our Scottish

0:39:100:39:15

Fire and Rescue Service must have

the resources it needs to keep

0:39:150:39:18

people safe. And protecting people

and keeping them safe should also be

0:39:180:39:24

the priority for our police service.

And Scottish Labour is clear, the

0:39:240:39:31

role of the Scottish Ambulance

Service as the appropriate to all

0:39:310:39:37

medical emergency calls, must be

maintained. APPLAUSE

0:39:370:39:49

We have seen in just these last few

weeks how much we depend on our

0:39:510:39:56

emergency services. And once again,

how much we depend on our national

0:39:560:40:01

health service. Yet, in the last

year, we have seen GP shortages

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rise. Nursing vacancies rocket, and

Ward closures forced on local

0:40:050:40:13

communities. That is why the

Scottish budget we propose this year

0:40:130:40:18

would have meant an extra £100

million for our NHS, and we know

0:40:180:40:23

that represents money well invested.

Invested in the doctors, nurses,

0:40:230:40:29

expert health staff, porters,

cleaners and catering staff as well.

0:40:290:40:32

All of whom battled their way

through snow and storms to make sure

0:40:320:40:36

they were there to care for us when

we needed them, and who would do the

0:40:360:40:42

same day in, day out, night in,

night out, so Scottish Labour says

0:40:420:40:47

thanks to all of you. APPLAUSE

0:40:470:40:54

But, you know, words of appreciation

are not enough. And that is why we

0:41:000:41:05

will fight to make sure that the pay

rise our NHS workers deserve is paid

0:41:050:41:10

up in full, and we will fight it

sure it is not paid for by more cuts

0:41:100:41:16

to NHS services. And that is why a

Scottish Labour government will also

0:41:160:41:21

move to cap the profits that private

agencies make in our health service.

0:41:210:41:26

Investing instead to attract and

retain the staff that we need to

0:41:260:41:32

benefit the patients as well as the

workforce. And that is why we have

0:41:320:41:36

set up a workforce commission led by

my friend Anas Sarwar to find a

0:41:360:41:44

long-term solution to the workforce

crisis in our NHS. And behalf of

0:41:440:41:49

this whole conference, I want to

thank Anas for all his hard work on

0:41:490:41:55

the National Health Service.

APPLAUSE

0:41:550:42:01

Conference, it is not just public

sector wages which have stagnated

0:42:100:42:14

and stalled. It is Scotland's whole

economy. Which is growing three

0:42:140:42:18

times slower than the rest of the

UK. It is a low-wage and a low

0:42:180:42:25

output economy. Built on the

quicksand of precarious work,

0:42:250:42:29

zero-hours contracts, agency work

and umbrella companies. The SNP is

0:42:290:42:36

complacent. They tell us the

foundations of Scotland's economy

0:42:360:42:40

remains strong. And short time fixed

term contract work is what people

0:42:400:42:45

want. But let me tell you about

someone I know. Over the last 12

0:42:450:42:55

months, he has worked in Grangemouth

and was then made redundant. He then

0:42:550:43:04

worked for an umbrella company

laying pipes for Scottish water. He

0:43:040:43:11

was paid off when the contract ended

last spring. He finished last year

0:43:110:43:22

working for but he was paid from

their last month. During the last

0:43:250:43:29

year, when he was out of work

between contracts, he would

0:43:290:43:33

sometimes drive a taxi. Scrimping

and saving to make ends meet. His

0:43:330:43:39

wife works, but they have a mortgage

to pay, two kids, one still at

0:43:390:43:44

school. So right now, he's back on

the taxis. He is a hard worker, he

0:43:440:43:51

wants to work, and he wants to find

secure work. I know him because he's

0:43:510:43:58

my brother-in-law. And his life is

all too typical. Of what work is

0:43:580:44:05

like for too many people in Tory

Britain and SNP Scotland in 2018.

0:44:050:44:14

APPLAUSE

0:44:140:44:16

And that is why I am absolutely

determined to bring about real

0:44:270:44:34

change, to end this insecurity in

the labour market. And it's also why

0:44:340:44:38

I am angry. Angry about the

callousness of the Tories, but angry

0:44:380:44:45

as well about the complacency of the

SNP.

0:44:450:44:54

Our economy needs less market and

more planning. Less short termism

0:44:560:45:02

and more long-term, sustainable

development. These issues have been

0:45:020:45:06

with us for too long already. But

they now assume a new urgency with

0:45:060:45:11

Brexit. The Scottish parliament's

primary purpose should always have

0:45:110:45:17

been economic transformation.

Tackling the underlying weaknesses

0:45:170:45:21

of the Scottish economy. Not least,

the massive growth in overseas

0:45:210:45:27

ownership of our industry, which is

now a third of our economy. But

0:45:270:45:31

given Brexit, there must be

redoubled and renewed sense of

0:45:310:45:37

urgency. A new determination that we

begin economic transformation now.

0:45:370:45:47

There are still too many countries

where there is no freedom of speech

0:45:520:45:57

and no democracy, where trade unions

are banned, where a conference like

0:45:570:46:02

this would be illegal. These

freedoms had to be fought for, so we

0:46:020:46:06

should not treat them likely and so,

by the same token, if there is a

0:46:060:46:13

referendum, which we have agreed to,

on terms and on a franchise which we

0:46:130:46:20

have agreed to, then we have to

accept the result of that

0:46:200:46:25

referendum.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:46:250:46:33

Because, in the end, we're not just

socialists, we aren't democratic

0:46:380:46:42

socialists. And I have to say this,

but if it comes down to a choice

0:46:420:46:48

between the sovereignty of the

market and the sovereignty of the

0:46:480:46:52

people, I choose the sovereignty of

the people every time.

0:46:520:46:56

APPLAUSE

0:46:560:47:03

But, right now, we have on the one

hand the Tory government which wants

0:47:080:47:11

to turn its back on the single

market of the European Union and an

0:47:110:47:16

SNP government on the other, which

wants to turn its back on the single

0:47:160:47:20

market of the UK, which is worth

four times as much to Scotland as

0:47:200:47:25

the EU. So it is only the Labour

Party which is proposing barrier

0:47:250:47:30

free access to both and that is the

position which Keir Starmer and

0:47:300:47:34

Jeremy Corbyn have set out. Labour's

six key tests must be at the heart

0:47:340:47:40

of any deal put to the UK Parliament

and Jeremy Corbyn is right on this

0:47:400:47:46

as well, we must have a new customs

union with our European neighbours,

0:47:460:47:50

so wherever you stand that don't

look back in anger, let's keep our

0:47:500:47:55

options open, to get the best deal

that we can for the future. And

0:47:550:48:01

letters not forget either that it is

with the shambolic Tory Party that

0:48:010:48:04

the blame for Brexit lies. Their

approach to negotiations is putting

0:48:040:48:12

not only our economy but our country

and even the devolution settlement

0:48:120:48:17

itself in jeopardy because, here in

Scotland, the SNP cynically uses

0:48:170:48:22

that Tory shambles as a way to sow

more division in its never ending

0:48:220:48:28

quest for independence. It is only

the Labour Party which stands as a

0:48:280:48:34

ball walk against Scottish and

British nationalism.

0:48:340:48:37

APPLAUSE

0:48:370:48:40

And, conference, let me be

absolutely clear about this. If the

0:48:480:48:54

Brexit deal is not right then Labour

will vote down the deal. And let's

0:48:540:49:02

get rid of this rotten Tory

government. So, that is why, above

0:49:020:49:06

all else, we must stay united

because the United Kingdom needs a

0:49:060:49:12

Labour government, it needs Jeremy

Corbyn as Prime Minister and

0:49:120:49:15

Scotland needs...

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:49:150:49:23

And Scotland needs a Labour

government and it needs a Labour

0:49:240:49:30

First Minister. And let me tell you,

conference, I am up for the job.

0:49:300:49:35

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:49:350:49:38

But we will not wait for the next

election, or indeed a referendum, to

0:49:490:49:54

make the changes that Scotland's

needs. Parliament gives us the

0:49:540:49:59

democratic power to bring about

change now. By bringing forward our

0:49:590:50:03

own bills, we are already using that

power. Just look at the work of

0:50:030:50:11

Claudia Beamish, Herb Bill to ban

onshore fracking in Scotland forced

0:50:110:50:15

the Scottish Government to do just

that, protecting the air we breathe,

0:50:150:50:20

keep safe the water we drink and

ensuring that we leave our planet

0:50:200:50:27

better for future generations. Look

at the work as well... Look at the

0:50:270:50:34

work as well of James Kelly full

stop his bill to repeal the

0:50:340:50:40

unworkable and divisive football act

will be passed by the Scottish

0:50:400:50:46

Parliament next week.

0:50:460:50:51

Parliament next week. Look at the

work of Daniel Johnson, whose bill

0:50:550:50:59

will protect shop workers and bar

staff from violence and abuse when

0:50:590:51:03

they are simply doing their jobs.

And to look at the work of Monica

0:51:030:51:09

Lennon, who just two days ago

launched her bill to end period

0:51:090:51:14

poverty in Scotland.

0:51:140:51:21

poverty in Scotland. Just four

members bills which will radically

0:51:250:51:27

improve people's lives will stop and

there is more. In the aftermath of

0:51:270:51:33

the tragedy of the Grenfell Tower

fire, David Stewart has launched a

0:51:330:51:38

bill to ensure all new social

housing is fitted with sprinklers.

0:51:380:51:43

Mark Griffin has already secured

government money to help parents who

0:51:430:51:49

face stressful costs when visiting

their premature babies in hospital

0:51:490:51:52

gets some recompense. Jenny Marra

has already announced her intention

0:51:520:51:57

to bring forward a bill to end the

fees in this city's hospital car

0:51:570:52:03

parks. Neil Bibby's makes life are

for tenants and protects jobs in

0:52:030:52:12

Scotland's and be a reason and gives

greater protection for consumers,

0:52:120:52:17

also known as the nation's beer

drinkers. Neil Findlay... Neil

0:52:170:52:26

Findlay...

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:52:260:52:31

Neil Findlay aims to prevent MSPs

from holding second jobs were now

0:52:310:52:39

supposed to be serving the people of

Scotland. -- when they are supposed.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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So, to those who say the Labour

Party cannot make real change while

0:52:530:52:58

in opposition, I say you are wrong.

Think how much more we could do if

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we were in government. Conference,

Scottish Labour is also the only

0:53:030:53:08

party which has developed an

industrial strategy for Scotland.

0:53:080:53:12

So, we don't just say we would spend

a bit more on infrastructure or

0:53:120:53:17

offer a few more subsidies to

business, or simply that we would be

0:53:170:53:22

a better management team that the

SNP are running the economy,

0:53:220:53:25

although I am sure that we would. We

have a radical strategy which puts

0:53:250:53:31

full employment at its heart, ending

a decade of SNP complacency about

0:53:310:53:38

real unemployment and ending in

secure work. It recommends giving

0:53:380:53:45

workers a statutory preferential

right to buy an enterprise when it

0:53:450:53:49

is put up for sale or facing

closure. Why on earth shouldn't the

0:53:490:53:55

people who create the worst own

wealth they create? -- be wealth.

0:53:550:54:13

It supports the development of

co-operatives and would see the

0:54:130:54:16

creation of a national energy

company. In our industrial policy,

0:54:160:54:23

we want to show people that, through

a new approach to long-term

0:54:230:54:28

investment by unleashing innovation

and the ingenuity of working people,

0:54:280:54:32

we can herald a renaissance in our

manufacturing industries. We will

0:54:320:54:38

seek out new forms, modern ways of

Democratic planning in the economy.

0:54:380:54:43

Our strategy will ensure that we

stop once and for all, giving

0:54:430:54:50

millions of pounds of public money

in subsidies to exploitative tax

0:54:500:54:55

avoiding companies like Amazon down

the road in Dunfermline.

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APPLAUSE

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And we will ensure as well that we

stop awarding billions of pounds of

0:55:080:55:14

public procurement to companies

which don't pay a living wage, which

0:55:140:55:19

use zero-hour contracts and which

blacklist workers. So, we meet in

0:55:190:55:24

Dundee and we applaud the

redevelopment on the waterfront. But

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we condemn the use of a blacklisted

company to do it.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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We aren't the party of Labour, the

party of work, the party of the

0:55:480:55:53

trade unions. We are here to change

society to its very economic

0:55:530:55:58

foundations. Our vision has always

been to build an economy which works

0:55:580:56:03

for the people rather than simply

people working for the economy. That

0:56:030:56:09

is why we know that automation will

be a test for us all. In the end, it

0:56:090:56:14

is not the new challenge but an old

one. It is the challenge of making

0:56:140:56:20

sure that working people benefit

from this fourth Industrial

0:56:200:56:28

revolution and are not casualties of

it. That is why we need to be

0:56:290:56:35

reactive to economic crises.

Scottish Labour is willing to

0:56:350:56:38

intervene and plan and not rely on

voluntary business pledges and the

0:56:380:56:46

invisible hand of the market. We

believe trade unions have a huge

0:56:460:56:51

task in not only defending members

but planning the economy.

0:56:510:57:04

Scottish Labour is the party of jobs

and industry. We are the party of

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cooperative development and, yes, we

are the party of public ownership as

0:57:100:57:15

well.

APPLAUSE

0:57:150:57:21

We believe in an economy as well as

a political system, which is of the

0:57:210:57:28

people, by the people and for the

people. The mess we have seen with

0:57:280:57:34

the collapse of Carillion confirms

that private contractors carrying

0:57:340:57:40

out public contracts exposes too big

a risk to our public services. They

0:57:400:57:44

should never be allowed to happen

again. So, let me assure you that

0:57:440:57:50

our starting point in Scottish

Labour is to insure that our public

0:57:500:57:55

services are there to serve the

Scottish public, not to balance the

0:57:550:58:01

sheets -- finance the balance sheets

of wealthy absent shareholders. That

0:58:010:58:06

is why I am pleased to report that

we will take Scotland's trade

0:58:060:58:13

services back into public ownership

at the earliest opportunity.

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APPLAUSE

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De privatising public services and

developing public ownership is a

0:58:330:58:36

radical change but it will be a

Labour change and it will be a

0:58:360:58:42

popular change. Conference, I tell

you why it is vital we need to make

0:58:420:58:46

this radical change. There are

grassroots campaigns in this city

0:58:460:58:52

and across Tayside, trying to

improve mental health services. This

0:58:520:58:56

morning I spoke to fill Welsh. Phil

and his wife, Lesley, have set up a

0:58:560:59:08

website dedicated to their son, Lee,

who tragically took his own life on

0:59:080:59:11

the 8th of August last year. Phil

told me this morning that Lee and

0:59:110:59:17

George Poor mental health on and off

for over nine years. -- enjoyed poor

0:59:170:59:24

mental health. This city of Dundee

has a high level of suicides. It is

0:59:240:59:29

the biggest killer of young men in

the cities of that that is why today

0:59:290:59:34

I am backing the campaign of an

urgent review of mental health

0:59:340:59:38

services here in Tayside.

APPLAUSE

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Mental health services need to be

put on a stable, financial footing

0:59:500:59:55

and front-loaded investment is

needed in prevention services. Put

0:59:551:00:02

simply, more funding is needed. So,

here is a suggestion. Why don't you

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simply call a halt to the racking up

of extortionate PFI debts which push

1:00:071:00:14

local services to the brink and

invest them instead in local, mental

1:00:141:00:20

health services? Take Tayside

locally here. £13 million is spent

1:00:201:00:26

on two private finance contracts for

mental health facilities which are

1:00:261:00:31

simply not delivering for the people

who need them. One contract has

1:00:311:00:37

another nine years to run and is

estimated to cost £3 million each

1:00:371:00:42

year. The contract for mental health

facilities at the Murray Royal and

1:00:421:00:49

other hospitals is expected to pay

out over £300 million over the next

1:00:491:00:53

25 years. From speaking to

campaigners, they agree that there

1:00:531:00:58

is no time to lose. This is

literally a matter of life and

1:00:581:01:03

death. So, I pledge today, under my

leadership, Scottish Labour will go

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into the next Holyrood election

committed to signing no new private

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finance deals.

APPLAUSE

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At a time when the public sector is

facing so many budget cuts, it is

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unjust that private companies

through PFI, and, yes, through the

1:01:341:01:41

SNP's schemes are raking off

millions of pounds in profits. These

1:01:411:01:45

contracts do not provide value for

money. So we will go further. We

1:01:451:01:50

will also explore how to bring back

in-house existing contracts, and we

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will develop alternative public

sector models for funding which will

1:01:561:02:00

save the public money, improve

services, and drive up the working

1:02:001:02:05

conditions of those people

delivering those public services.

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APPLAUSE

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And the same goes for our social

care services. While our NHS has

1:02:161:02:21

helped people to live longer, we

have seen a growing reliance on

1:02:211:02:26

private providers, caring for our

elderly. But our vision, to

1:02:261:02:31

transform social care, to meet the

needs of the future, means we cannot

1:02:311:02:35

rely on the market. Already, private

providers are withdrawing, and that

1:02:351:02:41

is why we now need real change in

social care. Including the

1:02:411:02:47

socialisation of its ownership.

Because that way lies greater

1:02:471:02:52

accountability and the better

planning of these services. The care

1:02:521:02:56

home sector in Scotland is also in

crisis. Significant reforms are now

1:02:561:03:02

needed. Demand is rising. But

because of SNP cuts, council budgets

1:03:021:03:08

are being squeezed and the system is

close to collapse. In my view, in

1:03:081:03:14

most cases, local councils

themselves may well be the best

1:03:141:03:19

provider for this care. APPLAUSE

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So I want to make clear today,

Scottish Labour's policy going

1:03:301:03:35

forward will not just be to support

the principle of integrated health

1:03:351:03:42

and social care, it would be to put

that principle into practice, so we

1:03:421:03:47

will prioritise bringing care

contracts back into our local

1:03:471:03:49

authorities. APPLAUSE

And for the avoidance of doubt, that

1:03:491:03:59

means bringing back care staff, back

into local council employment too.

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APPLAUSE

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Our vision for Scotland's care

services means we will invest in

1:04:131:04:21

making social care profession, with

a career path, and a decent wage, to

1:04:211:04:26

recognise the value of this critical

work. And we will make it a public

1:04:261:04:30

service. We will make it a public

service with a real future.

1:04:301:04:35

Underpinned by our commitment to

build a caring society. So the

1:04:351:04:43

Labour Party's job is today, as it

has always been, to set out new

1:04:431:04:50

Horizons, to awaken ideas, to raise

consciences, to give people hope

1:04:501:04:58

again. And as we look to the future,

the fight ahead to win power demands

1:04:581:05:04

our maximum unity and solidarity.

But let us be sustained by the

1:05:041:05:11

vision of the society which we are

determined to achieve. We want to

1:05:111:05:17

remove the fear of poverty for good.

Tackle persistent unemployment by

1:05:171:05:23

building a full employment economy.

Tackle climate change, humanity's

1:05:231:05:30

greatest challenge. Provide decent

homes, end rough sleeping. Give

1:05:301:05:34

dignity in retirement to the old.

Give opportunities and new horizons

1:05:341:05:39

to De Jong and bring about a

renaissance in public ownership. --

1:05:391:05:45

to De Jong. We want to set out to

the people of Scotland the biggest

1:05:451:05:49

programme of social and economic

reform in the history of the

1:05:491:05:52

Scottish Parliament. -- to the

young. APPLAUSE

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So let us rededicate ourselves to

our cause of aquatic socialism. Let

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us do it with a mixture of old

idealism and new energy. Let us

1:06:091:06:15

gather our strength, let us

reinvigorate our own supporters, and

1:06:151:06:19

letters new members into our party,

by leading with conviction, putting

1:06:191:06:25

forward our principles and our

faith. By being distinctively

1:06:251:06:30

Labour, by being confident Labour,

by being principal Labour.

1:06:301:06:35

Reawakening hope again, and let us

be proud to say, that in our time,

1:06:351:06:40

in our generation, we help to build

a better future by being true to our

1:06:401:06:46

radical roots. Because if we do that

working together, nothing and no one

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can stop us. Thank you very much.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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STUDIO: A standing ovation for

Richard Leonard, the Scottish Labour

1:07:061:07:10

leader, as the end of his conference

address, delivered at the Caird Hall

1:07:101:07:15

in Dundee. He said he wanted to

paint the map of Scotland red again

1:07:151:07:19

at the next election. He spoke about

a new Rent Restrctions Act, a Mary

1:07:191:07:23

Barbour law, to protect tenants. He

called on delegates to keep their

1:07:231:07:28

options open when it came to the

single market membership, not to

1:07:281:07:32

look back in anger. He saw Labour as

a bulwark against Scottish and

1:07:321:07:38

British nationalism, and called on

people to be united. He spoke about

1:07:381:07:42

public ownership of services and

also at the end talked about the

1:07:421:07:47

biggest... Wanting the biggest

reform in the history of Hollywood.

1:07:471:07:53

The biggest programme of social and

economic reform in the history of

1:07:531:07:58

the Scottish parliament. Richard

Leonard taking his applause. I'm

1:07:581:08:01

joined in the studio by Professor

John Curtis, and as we watch these

1:08:011:08:05

pictures, what's your initial

reaction to the speech?

Two crucial

1:08:051:08:09

like a notice to the speech, won the

more obvious one, is that this is

1:08:091:08:14

very much traditional Labour. -- two

leitmotifs. He said public services

1:08:141:08:24

matter, health and education will

stop welfare systems matter. A

1:08:241:08:29

reference in particular to

pensioners. And we also need to make

1:08:291:08:32

sure we have people properly housed.

Clearly above all saying, I believe

1:08:321:08:38

in trade unions, I believe in

planning the economy and the public

1:08:381:08:41

sector. A very traditional Labour

message. Two bits of it will

1:08:411:08:45

particularly stand out for people as

it this story. The first is the

1:08:451:08:49

suggestion that a future Scottish

Labour government might try to end

1:08:491:08:53

the existing PFI contracts that are

in place for the delivery of some

1:08:531:08:57

hospital services, and the other,

that we should move away from the

1:08:571:09:01

system whereby for the most part

social care in Scotland is provided

1:09:011:09:06

by private sector organisations,

albeit paid for in many cases by the

1:09:061:09:10

state, but this should also now be a

care service provided by the public

1:09:101:09:13

sector. Those are certainly two

fairly dramatic ideas if they were

1:09:131:09:18

to be introduced. The first

leitmotif is the more obvious one,

1:09:181:09:24

anyone who remembers Labour speeches

of 15 or 20 years ago, this is very

1:09:241:09:30

different. The second leitmotif is

very different, a call for unity. In

1:09:301:09:34

part, a call for unity, I want my

party to be behind this message,

1:09:341:09:39

perhaps a more radical message than

some of them membership had

1:09:391:09:42

previously been used it. And also

Blaine Gabbert quite openly that the

1:09:421:09:45

other reason he wanted unity,

particularly not least on the issue

1:09:451:09:50

of Brexit. -- and also laying out

quite openly... . The Labour Party

1:09:501:09:56

hopes that by staying united but by

remaining flexible on the prospect

1:09:561:10:00

of Brexit, that back in Westminster,

Labour might be able to bring the

1:10:001:10:04

Conservative government is down over

the Brexit issue. He was quite open

1:10:041:10:07

about this. It was interesting,

don't upset the apple cart now,

1:10:071:10:11

don't get into an internal party row

about Brexit among other things,

1:10:111:10:15

because actually, it may be that in

the ensuing months, if indeed Brexit

1:10:151:10:20

goes pear shaped for the

Conservatives, we might be able to

1:10:201:10:23

gain power. What he said two people,

keep your options open, when it

1:10:231:10:27

comes to things like single market

membership. He said clearly about

1:10:271:10:34

democratic socialism, and therefore

we have to respect the result of the

1:10:341:10:36

referendum. As the Labour Party has

been saying pretty much since the

1:10:361:10:42

referendum, we keep options open. So

we might be willing to join the

1:10:421:10:46

single market, but maybe we won't.

Perhaps the living the Labour Party

1:10:461:10:51

has so far done is to commit itself

to a customs union but not the

1:10:511:10:56

customs union. And it's a customs

union that would require the

1:10:561:11:01

European Union to negotiate with the

UK as an equal partner, including

1:11:011:11:05

two future free-trade deals with

other countries. I think many people

1:11:051:11:09

think that's a pretty big ask. But

it means for the most part the

1:11:091:11:13

Labour Party, in a sense, is

basically not nailing its colours

1:11:131:11:17

any more to the mast and it feels it

needs to. Partly, it needs to be

1:11:171:11:22

said early on because it knows

voters are divided on the subject.

1:11:221:11:26

Is not to look back in anger and

heal those divisions, as he said,

1:11:261:11:30

and as you pointed out, to accept

the result of the referendum. Former

1:11:301:11:34

Scottish leader Kezia Dugdale was

clearly not clapping, sitting with

1:11:341:11:38

her hands like this.

That was

clearly one of the camera moments

1:11:381:11:41

that might get replayed. It was an

indication that in truth, despite

1:11:411:11:46

his best efforts, Brexit is in truth

an issue that divides the Labour

1:11:461:11:49

Party. He might perhaps have been

wise to not refer to it. After all,

1:11:491:11:55

this is not his issue. At the end of

the day, it's an issue that we will

1:11:551:11:59

be decided by the UK level Labour

Party in London. Perhaps he should

1:11:591:12:04

have focus just on his domestic

agenda. But one of the intriguing

1:12:041:12:08

things about Richard Leonard's

speech, even on the domestic agenda,

1:12:081:12:12

he is not always somebody who

demonstrate a high degree of

1:12:121:12:15

sensitivity between reserved and

devolved issues. Some issues on

1:12:151:12:21

regulating labour market or

improving the position of

1:12:211:12:24

pensioners, at least probably

requires work done by the UK

1:12:241:12:27

Government at Westminster for sub

it's not entirely clear that the

1:12:271:12:30

Scottish Government on its own has

the power to deliver some of the

1:12:301:12:33

ideas that he has in mind.

John,

thank you for just now forced upon

1:12:331:12:37

them go back to the conference all

in Dundee where we joined once again

1:12:371:12:40

by political editor Brian Taylor.

You have some guests there. Your

1:12:401:12:44

initial reaction to the speech?

I

was struck by the nature of the

1:12:441:12:50

speech. The straightforward

Socialist appeal, and then linking

1:12:501:12:53

it as well, as John said, to the

pitch for unity over Brexit. We will

1:12:531:12:58

be discussing that right now with

two senior members of the party. We

1:12:581:13:02

are hoping a third will join us, a

little late. Anas Sarwar, you got a

1:13:021:13:08

name check and praise. You must be

pleased.

I wasn't the only one.

He

1:13:081:13:13

did go through a list. The message

is commonly talked about a real

1:13:131:13:18

change to the economic system that

in practice. What is meant by that?

1:13:181:13:22

What Richard set out today was not

just his passion and values, but the

1:13:221:13:27

ideas of why we need a Labour First

Minister and government. Using a

1:13:271:13:32

progressive tax system, take from

those who can afford it.

What does a

1:13:321:13:36

real change to the economic system

mean in practice?

Looking at the

1:13:361:13:39

model we have at the moment, it

doesn't work for working people. In

1:13:391:13:43

means putting more things in hands

of the public, public ownership is a

1:13:431:13:46

big part of that, financing and

resourcing public services, taking

1:13:461:13:50

money from those at the top and

using it to reduce poverty and

1:13:501:13:54

invest in public services. It's a

bold idea from the speech.

Claire

1:13:541:13:58

Baker, we had 12 pages on the

proposals. I readily concede that

1:13:581:14:03

there was a lot of detail that only

one paragraph on tax raising,

1:14:031:14:06

referring to various options. The

Scottish Government in the coming

1:14:061:14:10

year are raising an additional 219

million from income tax was that how

1:14:101:14:14

much extra indexation will be

required to fund this programme?

We

1:14:141:14:17

recently had the budget bill passed

in Parliament, and we've brought

1:14:171:14:21

forward radical proposals. I think

Richard's message today is how do we

1:14:211:14:25

use the Scottish parliament. That

Parliament has been in existence

1:14:251:14:30

since 1999 and the current

government are showing a lack of

1:14:301:14:32

ambition.

You're talking about extra

spending? Renationalisation of the

1:14:321:14:39

railways and social care being

brought into social ownership. How

1:14:391:14:42

much extra taxation would be

required to fund that?

I think it's

1:14:421:14:46

all achievable within the powers we

have in Parliament. Richard is

1:14:461:14:50

setting out today the ambition and

ideas we have.

I'm not hearing a

1:14:501:14:53

number.

If you look at our budget

proposals this year, it was fully

1:14:531:15:00

funded and tax proposals.

I'm not

hearing a figure.

What Richard is

1:15:001:15:06

not setting out today is what the

manifesto budget programme will be

1:15:061:15:09

in five years' time and it would be

wrong for him to do that. He is

1:15:091:15:12

setting out what he believes the

fundamental principles behind the

1:15:121:15:16

platform he would seek to stand on

to have a Labour First Minister

1:15:161:15:19

Scottish Government. It would be a

fully funded manifesto.

How would

1:15:191:15:24

you stimulate the economy if you

impose tax on tourism and increasing

1:15:241:15:28

tax?

On the tourism tax, I represent

a Glasgow constituency. That's a

1:15:281:15:33

city that would want to introduce a

tourism tax and it would impact in

1:15:331:15:39

terms of taking advantage of the

great tourism we have in our city

1:15:391:15:42

and use it to invest in public

services. Glasgow is becoming a part

1:15:421:15:46

of the conference agenda across the

EU. Conferences are coming to

1:15:461:15:50

Glasgow. We could use those

resources to have the tourism tax

1:15:501:15:54

and the capacity in hotels to fund

public services.

1:15:541:16:01

It is also a tax that has come

across Europe. I met another big

1:16:011:16:06

thing about hands and -- housing.

Some might argue that rent controls

1:16:061:16:14

would deter landlords from entering

the system for the unit have to be

1:16:141:16:18

entirely dependent on social

provision.

I think we are looking at

1:16:181:16:24

a row can housing system within

Scotland. There is also an element

1:16:241:16:31

of exploitation in that sector. He

Richard is proposing fairness and

1:16:311:16:37

transparency in that sector.

On the

subject of PFI schemes, PPP and

1:16:371:16:45

later became to you has had also

surprises to try and avoid the name.

1:16:451:16:50

Labour implemented it to some extent

let's forget that. He is talking

1:16:501:16:54

about trying to missile from

existing contracts?

If you look at

1:16:541:16:58

the amount of money that PFI

contracts are costing us every year

1:16:581:17:02

and how that money would be better

spent of course there is concern

1:17:021:17:08

about the tens of millions of pounds

if not hundreds of millions of

1:17:081:17:11

pounds that could be spent on public

services.

How could you get out of

1:17:111:17:18

the contracts?

With interest rates

being low we could buy them back and

1:17:181:17:21

invest that money in public

services.

The speech talked about

1:17:211:17:26

taking things into public ownership.

With that the market value or under

1:17:261:17:30

market value?

It is hilarious we

have setup an agenda and

1:17:301:17:45

have setup an agenda and have powers

within Parliament to discuss within

1:17:461:17:49

legislation to radically change

Scotland for the back is what

1:17:491:17:52

Richard was arguing for today.

With

the railways, when the contract

1:17:521:17:58

comes up, we have an opportunity to

pose a public sector bid. That would

1:17:581:18:02

not cost the taxpayer and expects.

When the contract comes up with

1:18:021:18:06

being a place to bid for the

contract.

Thank you both very much

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for discussing the speech and back

to the studio.

Let's just pick up on

1:18:101:18:16

that point that Brian was trying to

winkle out from the guests when it

1:18:161:18:20

comes to funding. How do you think

Labour could fund this? Anas Sarwar

1:18:201:18:27

was pointing out this is not a fully

funded manifested that there are

1:18:271:18:31

some expensive promises. One is

about bringing back the railways

1:18:311:18:40

into public ownership.

The immediate

question will be how we will fund

1:18:401:18:45

it. Doubtless this will be an issue

pursued by the Labour Party. It is

1:18:451:18:51

par for the course and this is a

relatively early stage in the

1:18:511:18:56

Scottish Parliament. They will not

put money... Something which Mr

1:18:561:19:03

Lennon has in mind. The railways

have franchises. When that comes to

1:19:031:19:08

an end you can get a public sector

company to run the railways. The

1:19:081:19:13

infrastructure is already run by the

public sector. There will

1:19:131:19:17

undoubtedly be arguments about

whether or not, for example, putting

1:19:171:19:20

social care of something which is

run by the public sector as opposed

1:19:201:19:25

to being provided primarily by the

private sector will not be more

1:19:251:19:29

expensive. There will be arguments

about that and arguments about

1:19:291:19:32

whether or not it will be possible

to buy in the PFI contracts and

1:19:321:19:38

raise money. There will be questions

about this. Not all of what he has

1:19:381:19:43

in mind is about spending more

money, as opposed to regulating the

1:19:431:19:48

market. For example with regards to

workers' rights and his plans for

1:19:481:19:53

private sector rentals may not cost

the state of great deal of what is

1:19:531:19:57

interesting about the pitch, one of

the things that seems to happen

1:19:571:20:03

before the end of the general

election in Scotland last year, this

1:20:031:20:06

message, as articulated by Jeremy

Corbyn, began to enable the Labour

1:20:061:20:10

Party to win over the left-wing

support of the SNP. The word that

1:20:101:20:15

Jeremy Corbyn used a lot was hope.

There seems to be some evidence that

1:20:151:20:19

this kind of pitch helped the Labour

Party to win over some of the

1:20:191:20:23

younger supporters in the SNP who

have been inspired by the idea of

1:20:231:20:28

independence. What Mr Leonard will

be hoping, as opposed to the

1:20:281:20:31

different

1:20:311:20:36

different vision of the Scottish

economy that we might have to win

1:20:391:20:41

the voters over, they'll be less

infused about the idea of

1:20:411:20:43

independence. Some progress by

Labour on that front and a lot more

1:20:431:20:45

to be made. The potential downside

along the way is the quite

1:20:451:20:49

substantial body, around one in four

of the people who voted Labour in

1:20:491:20:55

2015 switched to the Conservatives

by 2017 primarily because of a

1:20:551:20:59

constitutional issue. Even though he

might be at it into SNP support with

1:20:591:21:03

this message, you could also lose

votes with the Conservatives.

Back

1:21:031:21:09

to Brian in the conference hall. A

bit more about Brexit now, I think.

1:21:091:21:14

Quite a bit more. You heard from

Richard Leonard on the subject of

1:21:141:21:19

Brexit, appealing for unity and an

open mind. The European debate, the

1:21:191:21:26

conference here, will actually take

place tomorrow. Jeremy Corbyn said

1:21:261:21:29

he would not be happy to signing up

to opposed Brexit arrangement with

1:21:291:21:35

the European Union if it involves

constraint on his socialist

1:21:351:21:39

programme of state ownership and

state eight. That is a aid. It was

1:21:391:21:50

believed membership of the single

market was the way to maintain jobs

1:21:501:21:54

and working rights. The honest

debate that Richard Leonard called

1:21:541:21:58

for is under way and I am joined by

two very senior participants in that

1:21:581:22:04

debate. Thank you both very much.

Iain Murray spoke at the fringe

1:22:041:22:10

meeting at Kezia Dugdale talking

about what was needed to pursue the

1:22:101:22:13

case for a single market being to

convince the Labour front bench.

1:22:131:22:18

Jeremy Corbyn does not sound

convinced was he seems to think it

1:22:181:22:21

was a block thwarting his ambitions

for a socialist agenda.

What I want

1:22:211:22:26

to do is for the front bench of the

Labour Party to have a position of

1:22:261:22:32

the least worst option. Also I have

said regularly in Parliament, and to

1:22:321:22:37

the public in public forums, whether

you agreed to the single market in

1:22:371:22:41

the customs union, in a very good

speech great Richard said that we

1:22:411:22:47

should keep all options open. The

least worst option, if and when

1:22:471:22:52

really the European Union is to

remain members of the single market

1:22:521:22:57

and the customs union. The Labour

Party wrote its manifested in June

1:22:571:23:02

of 2017 whilst we were still members

of the European Union and it is

1:23:021:23:07

still deliverable.

What is the

anxiety in the minds of Jeremy

1:23:071:23:11

Corbyn and presumably yours about

the constraints they could be upon

1:23:111:23:13

your programme?

It is good to speak

to you, especially after such a

1:23:131:23:19

fantastic speech from Richard

Leonard. Full of content and great

1:23:191:23:23

delivery. That is the focus for me

today, on that. We move on to the

1:23:231:23:28

debate about Brexit tomorrow, which

I am looking forward to. The party

1:23:281:23:33

has a very good position in relation

to where we are in the Brexit

1:23:331:23:37

debate. Keir Starmer has performed

fantastically well. He has clearly

1:23:371:23:43

put us into a place where a bad deal

will not be supported by the Labour

1:23:431:23:47

Party when the vote comes through

Parliament.

To take the argument of

1:23:471:23:51

people like Kezia Dugdale that

membership of the single market is

1:23:511:23:57

required to protect jobs and

workers' rights?

That is a problem.

1:23:571:24:00

We had a referendum and the decision

of the people was to leave the EU.

1:24:001:24:09

We cannot be in existing single

market if we are outside. I think

1:24:091:24:13

access to that marketers what we

want full want a tariff free area is

1:24:131:24:19

needed to trading. -- what we want-

we want a tariff free area. The

1:24:191:24:28

least worst option is the single

market and customs union.

Jeremy

1:24:281:24:33

Corbyn has said that is not

compatible.

Norway is in the single

1:24:331:24:37

market but it is not a member of the

European Union and Turkey is in the

1:24:371:24:42

customs union but it is not a member

of the European Union. They should

1:24:421:24:46

try to stay in the customs union for

jobs and trading and harmonisation

1:24:461:24:54

issues. We should grab this by both

hands.

The reality is that Norway

1:24:541:24:58

and Turkey are not for members with

voting rights and they are law

1:24:581:25:04

takers, in effect. It is a very

different situation. We are not

1:25:041:25:09

comparing the same economies. The

Norwegian economy is much smaller

1:25:091:25:14

than the UK. We need a deal that is

ripe for the UK and we can do that

1:25:141:25:19

by negotiating access to the single

market and by having a tariff free

1:25:191:25:23

area in the customs union.

Jeremy

Corbyn said yesterday he would not

1:25:231:25:27

allow the Labour programme to be

underlined by what he described as

1:25:271:25:33

low-cost agency workers being

imported into the UK.

You took

1:25:331:25:37

exception to that. We should not

scapegoat immigrants but deal with

1:25:371:25:41

the problem of employers bringing in

cheap Labour to the country and

1:25:411:25:45

undermining Labour laws. I think the

choice of language in the

1:25:451:25:49

immigration debate has to be very

carefully chosen.

Do you think Nigel

1:25:491:25:57

Farage would be laughing at that?

That is the way it is being

1:25:571:26:02

portrayed. Migration is great for

this country and we need it for our

1:26:021:26:06

public services. It must be dealt

with and kept healthy by migrants in

1:26:061:26:14

the NHS and they are likely to use

the NHS. In France they want to deal

1:26:141:26:17

with some of these issues but it

must be done within the European

1:26:171:26:21

Union.

The idea that Jeremy, who

represents Islington, probably a

1:26:211:26:27

constituency that is an absolute

melting pot of different cultures

1:26:271:26:31

can someone who is married to a

Mexican woman would be a scapegoat

1:26:311:26:36

on migrants is completely wrong.

What he was doing is showing how bad

1:26:361:26:42

employers have been exploiting

migrants coming into the country and

1:26:421:26:44

that is a very important point in a

particularly for the Labour Party

1:26:441:26:48

and the Labour movement because I

want workers to have the same terms

1:26:481:26:52

and conditions and same protections

and that is what Jeremy was

1:26:521:26:56

highlighting.

Are you still open to

single market membership?

That is

1:26:561:27:01

very difficult in relation to the

acceptance of the referendum but

1:27:011:27:05

that will have a good debate

tomorrow. The whole situation over

1:27:051:27:10

these negotiations is very fluid.

Do

you think you can win the market for

1:27:101:27:17

single market membership?

You cannot

satisfy the six tests set by Keir

1:27:171:27:21

Starmer.

Thank you very much indeed.

Thank you very much for that in

1:27:211:27:26

Dundee. There are still joined in

the studio by Sir John Curtis. Your

1:27:261:27:31

final thoughts as we approach the

end of the programme. Where does

1:27:311:27:35

this speech now leave the Scottish

Labour Party?

The truth is this

1:27:351:27:40

speech leaves the Scottish Labour

Party in a far more left wing

1:27:401:27:44

position than it has been since the

advent of devolution and you

1:27:441:27:47

probably have to go back to the

1960s. In similar. This party is in

1:27:471:27:52

favour of reducing inequality and

expanding the public sector. It is

1:27:521:27:57

not necessarily a stance for all

elected representatives of the

1:27:571:28:02

Labour Party. As you have seen in

that conversation, the risk to the

1:28:021:28:06

Labour Party as it cannot escape to,

and the argument about what stands

1:28:061:28:10

the Labour Party should adopt about

Temple macro is at risk of becoming

1:28:101:28:14

a thorough get for the argument

between left and right but you know

1:28:141:28:18

still exists inside the Labour

Party. At the moment it is being

1:28:181:28:24

played out by the Brexit debate.

Critics of Jeremy Corbyn are happy

1:28:241:28:29

to stay inside the EU single market.

Those of left-wing disposition are

1:28:291:28:34

more wary of it. That debate is

going on inside the Labour Party.

1:28:341:28:39

Thank you for your thoughts this

afternoon. That brings our live

1:28:391:28:42

conference coverage to a close. More

on Scottish Labour tomorrow with

1:28:421:28:48

Gordon Brewer on Sunday Politics

Scotland. That starts at 11am on BBC

1:28:481:28:52

One. Do have a very good afternoon.

Goodbye.

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