17/01/2017 Stormont Today


17/01/2017

A political programme focusing on the day's events at the Assembly and Northern Ireland Executive. Mark Carruthers is the guide through the corridors of power at Stormont.


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If yesterday's proceedings amounted to blowing the whistle

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on normal play at Stormont, then today was definitely injury time.

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With Sinn Fein members largely absent and business lacking any

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real sense of urgency, it seemed the parties had at least

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one eye on March 2nd. But, despite that, the RHI

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controversy did still make its way on to the agenda for the day.

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So, tonight, the opposition calls for a public inquiry,

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Accountability is a very important principle in public life.

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One veteran politician gives his verdict on the last

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This is that we the assembly aims, but with a dwindling amount of

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interest. And joining me with his thoughts

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on a much quieter day in the chamber is the

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commentator Chris Donnelly. After postponing the debate

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on the Economy Minister's plan to mitigate the projected cost

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of the Renewable Heat Incentive for a public inquiry.

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today formally called But not all parties

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were represented in the chamber. Accountability is a very important

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principle in public life. It is the norm around the world except here.

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It seems a minister will not take responsibility for a disaster. This

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calls for the First Minister to stand aside for the duration of the

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enquiry. The format for the enquiry will seek to have cost recovery for

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these claims which turned out to be fraudulent. The enquiry should take

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no more than six months. That is plausible, with updates at two

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monthly intervals. It should be approved by ministers within the

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assembly. Sinn Fein have taken the action they have taken because they

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want to bring down this assembly. They are getting a part-time the

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heartlands, or should I see the former heartlands. Let's be honest,

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everyone knows this, everyone watching knows this, if they were

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really concerned about these issues, they would have been here yesterday

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and here today. The public by a percentage are overwhelmingly

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telling me that we have detailed the truth. Having told the truth, he

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would be sitting beside me. Everyone is entitled to a public enquiry. I

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do not mind which Minister brings it. But it is an ex-minister of Sinn

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Fein who is not here this morning. But the actual thing is to do the

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right thing. The great thing is to have that enquiry. It is still not

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too late to have it. You can call that enquiry today. The ministers

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can set that enquiry up. It does not require the consent of your

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partners. If we were to do that, you would supported. I wanted the public

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enquiry in accordance with the motion in front of the house today.

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The motion calls for the ministers to bring forward the plan to lessen

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liability to the public purse. Arlene Foster Said I want to make

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sure that there is not a potential overspend. I hope the Minister will

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continue to stand by that commitment. We are happy for a

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public enquiry. I do not want a public enquiry on the nature of

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Chilcot or Savile. We want an enquiry but we want it done quickly.

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We do not want this having things imposed on us by people who opposed

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Arlene Foster. She is far too decent for that and too much liked by the

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public. You want to get rid of her because she is good at what she

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does. Edwin Poots, speaking up

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for his party leader Arlene Foster, and that motion was passed

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on an oral vote. More RHI in the chamber today -

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and agreement on the way forward Obviously, Sinn Fein were not

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present, but all the other parties had committed to some sort of

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enquiry. I think we saw Mr rehearsal on what we are going to hear the

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theme of the RHI scheme during the election. Also, it seems that there

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is a change of tack from the DUP. But, of course, Sinn Fein,

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decided not to get involved Part of that, they did wanted to be

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the story. I think it was more about a statement that we are demeaning

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the legitimacy of the institution and we have called for the

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resignation of the First Minister. They recognise that the public would

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want to see that the ministers are still interested. We will talk about

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later. Thank you. Yesterday, James Brokenshire

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was very much at the centre of things on this

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side of the Irish Sea. Today, he was back in Westminster,

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briefing MPs on the current

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state of play here. For our part, we will continue to

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stand by our part of the deal fast agreement and do everything we can

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to safeguard political stability. -- Belfast agreement. It has not always

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been easy with more than a few bumps on the road but with strong

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leadership, issues which might have brought the institution Stone have

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been resolved through dialogue. Northern Ireland has been able to

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present itself to the world in a wave which would've been

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unrecognisable a few years ago -- a modern dynamic and outward looking

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and Ireland which is a great place to live, work invest in and do

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business with. The country has come so far and we cannot allow the games

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to be made to be derailed. Yes, we have an election and once that is

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over we need to be in a position to continue building a Northern Ireland

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that works for everybody. That is the responsibility on all of us and

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we all need to raise to that challenge. Does he accept that the

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problem remains that calling a public enquiry into the RHI scheme

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order photo making it clear that he supports a public enquiry, public

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confidence will sink even lower than make restoration of the executive

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even more difficult. That is what people are telling me on the street.

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The basically need clarity. We are having an election here any fog. It

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is clear that the issues surrounding the RHI scheme are largely central

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to the election being cold. It is critical with regard to establishing

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confidence once again with the public in relation to what has taken

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place. Could the Secretary of State confirm that post-election, the

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framework of a dissolve the assembly, of the is the settled

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framework for moving forward and that joint authority with the

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Republic Ireland or renegotiation of the agreements in place do not form

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part of his plan for moving forward. If he does not give certain

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particular, for the draft will orca. I can see that that is absolutely

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the approach they take to this. It is about getting through the

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election and the re-establishment of the executive and the

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re-establishment of devolved government. How I hear all the broad

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discussions, that has to be the focus. We need to re-establish the

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trust in the institutions we have saw the country can move forward.

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The Secretary of State, making it clear he wants to see Stormont

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up and running again after the election.

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Chris, the big question is, how easy will that be to achieve?

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Because it looks as though Sinn Fein wants big changes

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before it will agree to rejoining a devolved administration.

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I think he is definitely the most prominent Secretary of State to say

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a few no. Now we have the collapse of the institutions, it looks as if

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Sinn Fein, if not renegotiating previous agreements, are looking for

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some clarity in that regard. They may be want these to be

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front-loaded. That is clearly something that the DUP will be

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looking to resist. It does look like some form of direct rule is on the

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cards. Could we be looking

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at a prolonged period of direct It is certainly on the case that

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National Assembly Irish government are wanting more involvement in the

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talks which will have to take place with regard to Brexit. Obviously, in

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the past, the British woman has resisted Irish involvement in any

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discussions. Meantime, while Sinn Fein MLAs

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had absented themselves from the morning's business,

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the Infrastructue Minister, Chris Hazzard did put

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in an appearance, It

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department solves every problem with every rural road, so we have to

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prioritise. When it comes to schools, we want to repeal the writ

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which has the shortest distance. Schools go above what is above them,

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but that, cannot be up around every corner to solve them. We have been

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fairly fortunate so far that the weather has been mild, but we have

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invested millions of pounds in sorting out the network you be

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rejoining the budget of hundreds of millions of pounds if we were to

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properly do it. The A5 and A6. Can he assure the construction industry

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that the proposed road works and improvements on these will happen.

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It is very clear that the funding is in place going forward. As Minister,

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I have left clear instructions with regard to the executive power

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priority projects, such as the A5 and A6. With the number of

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departmental board 's priorities, a recently published my decision to

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accept the independent factors report. We will begin to gauge with

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the community the number of issues we are having which have arisen from

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that. For tourism and commuters, will

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there be a time schedule outlined? There are a number of issues making

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it difficult to outline a very accurate timescale in relation to

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moving forward with the York Street Interchange, not least the funding

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difficulties that we faced. I would suggest have been exacerbated by the

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Prime Minister Barak statement today, around Brexit, and it is very

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clear we are heading for a very hard Brexit, in any rate. The member can

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say here, here, till the cows come home, but when farmers lose out on

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various grounds for various things the cows will be coming home to an

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empty shed because at the end of the day we are able to facilitate...

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Right enough. Europe has been good to hear two-year research projects,

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at the end of the day, and it is one such project that has suffered at

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the hands of Brexit, and cheers at the other side of the house, that of

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the situation we have found. warning of

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the implications of Brexit. The Justice Minister also

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faced her final Question Time of the mandate today

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and she was asked about the mistakes made in the

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investigation of the murder Earlier this month, it was revealed

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that 40-year-old Damien McLaughlin, who is charged in connection

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with the murder, has breached his bail conditions

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and not been seen by police The DUP MLA Trevor Clarke asked the

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Justice Minister about the matter. I would like to begin by expressing

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my heartfelt sympathy to the family of David Black, no one should have

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to endure what they have done and I have spoken to the family over the

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past week in relation to events reported in the media. The

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monitoring of bail conditions of the matter for the Belize and while the

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PSNI falls on the remit of my department, they have only

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operational autonomy. Consequently it would be inappropriate for me to

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interfere with that and therefore cannot involve myself in individual

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cases or operational cases. I understand the PSNI has issued an

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unequivocal apology to the black family, and commissioned a review of

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the processes and I agree with their ascension that all sectors should

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reflect. This is a failure. This is a hireling embarrassing and

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representable act, that this may have involved this man, and I think

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to apologise to the family of Mr Black isn't enough, so I am asking

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the Minister can I ask again to review a decision? In terms of my

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decision, as I said, it's not a decision that operationally rests

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with me, it ultimately is with the courts and PSNI, with bail. That

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said, I'm appalled by what has happened and I'm not scared to

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Sayed, even though it is outside my jurisdiction in this matter. I have

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made my feelings clear to the Chief Constable how this has been allowed

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to happen, so I can give the member assurance that I do have a focus on

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this particular issue, to try and ensure that it won't happen again,

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we have in terms of the bail review, something ongoing within my

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department since October. It is something that I have asked my

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officials in light of this, and I say that reluctantly, because it

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should not be in light of this because this should not have

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happened, but I have asked my department to expedite it in any way

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they can that can give comfort to black family because... The black

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family have gone through enough, and this will keep continuing to raise

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those issues with him Billy Mack them, and it is devastating and I

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think we need to do generally start putting victims Hirst that are

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victims first here, too insecure that they are being put first. Does

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the Minister agree that this is a shocking indictment of our criminal

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justice system about that when someone charged with aiding and

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abetting one of the most horrendous murders of recent years was treated

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with such kid gloves by the system, or by the courts, through serial

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relaxations of his bail removed to tagging restraint, reduced the

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number of days he had to sign, allowed him out to attend hotel spa

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weekends... And then surprise surprise, he skipped bail, and the

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police don't discover it for over a month. Could they be a more shocking

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indictment? Can the Minister tell us, have any lessons being learned?

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Both by the judiciary, who are not above reproof in this matter and the

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police. Have any real lessons being learned? Is she satisfied about

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that? Again, I am appalled that this particular case. And have any

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lessons being learned that might if they haven't been, Mrs Biggar, then

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there's that we should be and I think that's all I can say, without

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reiterating. Claire Sugden accepting

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the shortcomings of the system. A late addition to the day's

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business was an urgent oral question about the future of a GP

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practice in Portadown, Bannview Medical Practice has 5,200

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patients on its books, but now faces closure, after its

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last remaining doctor resigned. The fifth January 2017, a new GP

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contract confirms to the health and social care board that they would

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take on the band view medical practice from early March 20 17. --

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Bannview Medical Practice. Yesterday, officially that

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contractor withdrew their intention to take on the practice. What is

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your response to the anger of the patients in Portadown, and was the

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contract signed as a stalling tactic because of the organised patients

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rally? I can say to all patients that they will continue to use

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receive safe clinical services and the board will monitor that. We have

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in place medical and nursing cover, we have arrangements with other

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practices, in terms of out of hours independent prescribers. All work

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collectively as part of a team to make sure that patients have access

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to first is deeply services which they rightly are entitled to. I

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think it is important that we don't scaremonger, it is important that we

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are responsible about this. What I will ensure and the board have been

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asked to do is to direct every member of the surgery to make sure

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that they are fully abreast of the situation,. The macro to say we are

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extremely disappointed, is an understatement. It isn't

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scaremongering. I am sad that this is left on the DUP. I have supported

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you as chair of this committee, we have all decided to take the

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politics out of health and I still want to take out at the politics. We

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are at the end of the road when it comes to did you beat writers,

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especially in Portadown, but not only that, this week my colleague

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and I are meeting with a GP practice in west Belfast a Belfast issue now

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as well. Actually believe I'd and very much behind taking the politics

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out of the situation. The reality is... The reality is for all the

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people do have confidence, more transformation is the happen,

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companies need to be having the institutions, that health decisions

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are being taken by the right reason, and they need to know that the

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ministers taking the decisions had a quality, report, and integrity and

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respect the -- dins disrespect... The backbenches can chapel they

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wish. The reason we are in the situation is because the DUP

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arrogance. Pure and simple. Michelle O'Neill single-handedly

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facing down her critics The final serious piece of business

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today perhaps best reflected the situation Stormont now

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finds itself in. The opposition parties brought

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a motion recognising The DUP opposed it and Sinn Fein

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did not turn up for it. That kind of sums it up in terms of

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how Sinn Fein, and the DUP can I have run government. For the last

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ten years. Protect the individuals, protect the parties, never mind the

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country. This is ten years of failure. Of scandals, of debacle, of

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disappointment. I hope the people have had enough. I hope the people

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say on the 2nd of March we will look to parties who want to put the

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country first, ahead of the party, and ahead of the individuals within

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that party. Ultimately, for power-sharing to work it is more

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than simply the right institutional design them and we can forge you

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make improvements in that regard but other leader has TB trust,

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partnership and mutual respect, and most clearly we do not have that.

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Whatsoever. We have instead dysfunction, characterised by

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bickering, political instability, ultimately to the situation to you

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today where institutions are seriously imperilled. It is

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profoundly sad that it has come to this. But I think we need to be

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honest. The reason why we are at this point is because one party,

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Sinn Fein, did not like the outcome of the election, and they saw, in

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RHI, an opportunity to have a rerun. They haven't been talking... There

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haven't been talking about RHI, they've been listing various

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nationalist and republican totems in the run into the election, and we

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will face them on those issues and we will prevail in the election. We

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are here to talk about the failure of the Executive, and all you had to

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do is look around. I don't even need to make a speech to illustrate the

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failure of this executive. But I will give it a go. It is utterly

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surreal what has gone on in this building today. The oxygen has been

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dragged out of this place. The public are just bemused and people

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keep talking about the anger out on the streets. People aren't angry, Mr

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Deputy Speaker, they are utterly furious that we have got to this

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point. Strange atmosphere around the base today, and I have noticed it

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since we came in as one. You wouldn't know what to make of it, Mr

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Debord is big. The debating of Sinn Fein's benches, they have always

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bounced around, there's never any one on the DUP benches... We at only

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in a vacuum. This is the way the assembly ends. You know, if not with

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a bang with a sort of whimpering and innuendo. We slink away. Achieving

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what question not having achieving what? Nothing for them. For them,

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strategic decision they have decided Stormont is over. The only thing

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that will bring them back here is if the continuance of Stormont so

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serves their ends because the DUP decides after the election for the

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sake of office to fill Sinn Fein's boots with more concessions. Yes,

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you can have a Stormont under mandatory coalition if you are

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willing to pay that impossible price, and Sinn Fein is testing you.

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To see just how desperate you are to hang on to power.

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And Chris Donnelly joins me for a final word.

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Eamonn McCann talked about

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"a whimpering diminuendo of interest".

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No-one up here today could have been in any doubt we are heading

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No, there's no doubt, and as a matter of interest there was one

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political party, Sinn Fein, singularly not present, most of the

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Brits in vain representatives clearly hitting the ground. Most of

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the selection conventions have taken place, the running registry

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campaign. Some of the other parties think that Sinn Fein have caught a

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march on them and they won't be long behind in catching up, now. It is

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interesting that that that two People

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Before Profit candidates will be running in West Belfast.

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What do you make of that? with seats going down from 60 to

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256, it means that for Sinn Fein to hold onto therefore, people bought

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for their profits, and SDLP and it would her to lose out. Both of those

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candidates when you consider that there is a large unionist

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population, and not enough to have one quota, but enough to be

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kingmaker. I think it is likely that there is going to be one People

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Before Profit in Jerry Kyle, and one other, whether it will be Alex

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outwards, or another People Before Profit, who knows? I would think it

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is more likely to be Alex Attwood, there isn't a second candidate who

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has a profile in the constituency at the moment. Claire Sugden cleared

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today, hoping to be back after the election, independence, East

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Londonderry, of course. Maybe a justice minister once again? There

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is no doubt that her profile has been raised to to the fact that she

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felt though rolled I think it is extremely unlikely that she would

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get that role again. Really when you consider it for Sinn Fein to agree

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Claire Sugden to take that role, will have been seen retrospectively

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almost as a concession to the DUP, and the whole reason we are where we

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are because they are calling time on that. Fascinating times.

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That is it for this evening, but don't forget to join me

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for The View on Thursday night at 10.40 on BBC One.

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Until then, from everyone in the team, good night!

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That I will faithfully execute the Office...

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And will to the best of my ability...

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The Constitution of the United States...

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With visitors to Northern Ireland on the rise,

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City tours, folks, hop on, hop off.

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A political programme focusing on the day's events at the Assembly and Northern Ireland Executive. Mark Carruthers is the guide through the corridors of power at Stormont, and is joined by key people - from decision makers to opinion formers - to make the experience enlightening and entertaining.


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