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Welcome to the programme. The Social Development Minister

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outlines the planet to detect fuel poverty. And elderly gent a man was

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able to tell me he reduced his fellow apps of oil by one. We hear

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how he is going to do more to capitalise on environmental

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heritage. And sharing his insides, our

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political respondent Garratt Gordon. The first item on today's agenda

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spilled over from last week, a delayed vote on an Ulster Unionist

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motion on inclusivity and the rejection of violence. The motion

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was passed, but not without some party political ramifications. With

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me to discuss what happened is our political correspondent, Gareth

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Gordon. First of all, a lot of talk today about Basil McRae deciding to

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vote against his own party. Why did he do that? It is complicated but

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that debate last week was very fractious, over the issue of

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identity and it was found by the flak to speak. The Ulster Unionist

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motion called on the Assembly to reconfirm its principles of

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inclusivity, mutual respect, peace and democracy. It called on all

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parties to support the spirit of the Belfast Agreement. The DUP did

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not like that because they did not sign up to the Belfast Agreement,

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they were signatories to the St Andrew's Agreement. They wanted all

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mention of the Belfast agreement removed. The vote was taken this

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mine and the Ulster Unionists made clear they would be supporting the

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DUP amendment which did not mention the Belfast Agreement. Basil McCrea

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has lost the Ulster Unionist whip. He sat through the debate last week.

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He did not speak at all. He was obviously fuming. It was too much

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for him. End an article of this morning in Belfast paragraph, he

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said he would not be voting with his Ulster Unionist colleagues. He

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said for the first time ever he would be voting against them. He

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accused them of failing to back the Belfast Agreement, an agreement to

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which they were key. He said he would not be voting with his party

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colleagues and he said that was for the first time ever. With Mr McCrea

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facing this disciplinary charge, the fact that he did not vote with

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the Ulster Unionists is likely to annoy them even more, you would

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imagine? It ups the ante. At Christmas he lost the Ulster

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Unionist whip. He spoke out about the flying of the Unionist flag at

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Stormont. He is facing a disciplinary committee here on

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Friday on -- on Friday afternoon. He will mount a stout defence. He

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is not going quietly. By writing this article and taking the stance

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he has taken, it has opened hostility from many in the party

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towards them. He has upped the ante. We have his friend and colleague,

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John McCallister, who lost a few months ago, the deputy leadership

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of the party, when he accused the party leader, Mike Nesbitt, or

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sleep walking towards Unionist unity. He up the ante by saying the

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Unionist form, to which the Ulster Unionist Party are part, was a dead

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end. Mike Nesbitt facing a dual attack. What has he been saying?

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issued a statement this afternoon in which she said Basil McCrea's

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concerns over the party moving away from the Belfast Agreement, he said

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it should be clear that the amendment was never going to pass

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and there was no threat to the commitment. Some people will think

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that is an odd position to take. As for the sleepwalking charge, he

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said he remains committed to advancing the cause of the Unionist

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and that is best achieved by working -- if that is best achieved

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by working in opposition to other parties, that's what they would do.

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As to the street protests, he would co-operate and he was grateful for

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the overwhelming support of the party.

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Gareth, for now, thank you. Two weeks ago, the Social

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Development Minister, Nelson McCausland, announced the

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replacement of the Housing Executive. Today at Question Time,

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he faced scrutiny of what would happen to its employees. First

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though, he was taken to task over fuel poverty.

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Does the Minister agree with me that the recent reduction of the

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overall proportion of households considered as being in fuel poverty,

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from 44 % to 42 %, which is still significantly more than the 34 % we

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had in 2006, it is so insignificant it is hardly worth boasting about.

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Can we have a question, please? Does the Minister agree that the

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direction he has taken and the strategies he has spoken of his

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failing to tackle the sub-standard of course of fuel poverty? Can I

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say, I do not agree. There are a number of things which contribute

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to high level fuel poverty in Northern Ireland, one of them is

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the high level of dependency on oil. Hence the work my colleague is

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taking forward is a fundamental in addressing the fuel poverty issue

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in Northern Ireland. In September, I launched the boy in a replacement

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scheme for owner-occupiers, following on from the successful

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pilot lasted -- I launched the boiler replacement scheme. This

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will replace a boiler. A Housing Executive has received a lot of

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interest in the scheme and acute -- applications are being processed.

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It is important in terms of energy efficiency and fuel poverty because

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in one case, I visited her home, the elderly chap told me he had

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reduced his fills of oil per year by one entire Phil. House and

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structures are about providing better services for tenants,

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better-quality housing and also a structure which allows good value

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for money for the tax payer. In essence, it is about creating a

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system which is sustainable for the future. This is not that reducing

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staff, cutting back or saving money. In fact, the member who sits on the

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social development committee would be aware the review was never about

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cutting jobs of saving money. It is about getting the structure right

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for Northern Ireland moving forward. It is important to realise there

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are still a need for functions the housing executive performs within

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the new structure and, and staff will be required to consider those

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functions and services to tenants. N I P S they will be consulted as a

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key stakeholders representing the views of staff at a local land

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higher level. We must be cognisance of the fact that we are at the

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early stages of a project which has still a lot of work to be done.

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This is high on the agenda of the programme board, of which the chief

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executive of the housing and fictive he is a member. Let me be

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clear, it would be pre-emptive and totally wrong to start speculating

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at this stage. The fact is, I have stated repeatedly this has not and

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never has been about cutting jobs. Could the Minister give more detail

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on the potential benefits of the new landlord function being out

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with the public sector? The member will be aware that this

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affords an opportunity to address a major problem. We need to have more

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houses built. Secondly, we need to have better quality. There are some

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older properties which need a tremendous amount of work done to

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them. We are talking about billions of pounds of work in the short-term,

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to get back stock up to a standard which we should be able to expect

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and tenants should be able to have -- expect. That money is not

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available at the moment but if we moved the stock eventually it over

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to effectively a housing association sector, it enables them

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to borrow money so there for the work can be funded. I would want to

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come back to one point, this concern that staff have and I can

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understand that. I have written to every staff member in the housing

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sector already and there will be communication there with the trade

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unions and I know the Housing Executive, the chief executive has

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been writing to the staff as well. What does not help, and it is back

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to the issue of welfare reform, is misinformation. If somebody had

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picked up one of our local newspapers on Saturday, they would

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have read that the Housing Executive's was to be broken up and

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its range of roles transferred to housing associations. That is not

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the case. We are creating, if we go down this road, we will be creating

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a regional housing body, staffed by housing professionals, to carry out

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the regional services and regional polls. A total misunderstanding but

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that misinformation going out there does not help and does create fears.

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If some he was working in the housing sector in the red, I could

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understand why they should be concerned.

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The Social Development Minister, Nelson McCausland.

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The Ulster Unionist party may be going through a tough time, but its

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minister says he is going nowhere. A touchy subject perhaps, because

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during Question Time today, Danny Kennedy joke twice that there are

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no ministerial vacancies. But first, Mr Kennedy began by giving a

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breakdown on how funding for the A5 will be allocated.

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I recognise fully the importance of the objective and growing the

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economy and I realise the advantage it will bring to jobs in the short

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term and the longer term. The Department for roads services will

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robustly defend the legal challenge. In terms of finance, total 330

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million has been allocated to construct a section, however, my

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department will have to await the outcome of the legal challenge

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before the funding can be determined. At least to confirm

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that corporation between my department and D F P officials has

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enabled some repro filing of expenditure which will allow for

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the deferral of the A5 allocation and so it is required at my

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prompting. The Finance Minister has secured flexibility from Her

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Majesty's Treasury to carry-forward monies for reinvestment and reform

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initiative, 50 million borrowing power into 2014 / 15. This helpful

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in managing the on going delays to the project.

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Deputy Speaker, I welcome the Minister's response. Can I ask the

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minister in light of that, in terms of should the legal challenge be

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protracted, could the minister outlined by house what steps have

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been taken to ensure money ring- fenced goes to that specific

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project? Can I thank the Member for his supplementary question, early

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promotion in January, for you! But not at the expense of the Ulster

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Unionist Party. The short answer is we are maintaining a strong defence

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of our actions in respect of the A5 project and we very much hope that

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will successfully conclude and allow us to move forward. It do you

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think giving the protracted delays in the legal challenge it would be

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appropriate your department to bring forward further projects

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which are already have approval, for example, the A six and the dung

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Devon bypass? Of course, the member will be aware that the works have

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already commenced on a 80 and they are shortly about to commence on

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the A two, which he will know of. I think that I continue to bring

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forward and encourage and instruct my officials to bring forward

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schemes such as the schemes that he has mentioned, in preparation for

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the next round of available finance. I am looking beyond spending the

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money on the A5 that has already been allocated and as Roads

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Minister, I want to see the instruction -- infrastructure

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improved overall. I am keen to bring for projects such as the ones

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mentioned. Will the Minister clarify if he is

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aware of the impact on health and well-being, any delay on the bypass

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will have on the local and wider I thank the member. There are no

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vacancies for ministers, by NOAA! - - by be away! There are substantial

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benefits from the Dungiven bypass scheme and not least the

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improvement of air quality. There would be a reduction of something

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like 60% of heavy vehicle traffic currently going through Dungiven.

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For all of those reasons, I am aware of the representations made

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by the members and Limavady Borough Council and others, and it is a

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scheme that would be well worth doing and of course, if the member

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wants to approach the Finance Minister to assist me with that to

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deliver that at the earliest possible stage I would not be

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standing in your way. The Regional Development Minister.

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Take a look at these images. Carrickfergus Castle... Dunluce

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Castle... Carrick-a-rede rope bridge... And the City of Derry's

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historic walls. All examples of Northern Ireland's historic

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environment. Could places like these be used better to help our

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economy grow? This new report thinks so, but the DUP has

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questioned whether the Environment Agency is the right organisation to

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capitalise on the potential. Joining me now, David McIlveen and

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You're one of the members who brought this issue to the floor of

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the chamber. What were due seeking clarification on, or what was your

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motivation for raising this? First of all we have to highlight this

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was a positive story. The reality is, there is over half a billion

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pounds spent on historical environment in Northern Ireland

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every year. For ever �1 that the public sector spends be debt-free

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back. -- for every �1. -- we get ��3 back. The issue we wanted to

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raise, are other areas we can do better? And are there? I do believe

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so. We are at a third of our capabilities per-capita compared to

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the Republic of Ireland, won the eighth compared to Scotland. The

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question has to be asked, the Northern Ireland Environment Agency,

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who are protection rather than promotion, are they the right

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people to do the job? Do you agree with David McIlveen and his

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colleagues, that that part of your environment Aaron Pryor, if you

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want a comet that, could do better? -- the environment empire, if you

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want to call it that. He if we are going to grow the tourism industry,

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a free are going to do that with the jobs and investment that can

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bring and the protection of heritage, we need to do that.

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have argued for more investment in our belts archaeological heritage

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and we will be all the better for it. I am not precious. I am not

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precious about beat Environment Agency taking the work forward. If

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there is a better model and if you go to Scotland you will see that in

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Scotland there is independent bodies to do this work on behalf of

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the Scottish government for the Scottish people. So you would like

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to see a re-Configuration? If that is the best way to bring about

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heritage led development and continuing to protect their

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heritage environment we have, you will have no argument with me. Do

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we as a government, does the Assembly fully recognise that in

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terms of heritage led development there are enormous economic

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opportunities? As David. That compare -- as David points out,

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compared with others in the UK we are behind. Are your hands tied?

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if you look at the Executive's decision in October, more money

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went to tourism initiatives and listed building support. That

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indicates good form about going forward. But, a strategically it is

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required in terms of policy and resources in favour of Heritage

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Labour firmament as a major economic driver going forward. --

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heritage development. Heritage led development, around are natural,

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build, EDO larger gulf and Christian environment, is a huge

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opportunity. -- environmental and Christian environment. If Alex

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Attwood puts something on the table, would he get the backing of the

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DUP? We have to come back to the report, which makes a number of air

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recommendations. Many of those are said to have to implement. For

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example, recommendations about clear signage. The air is a bigger

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issue than that, it is not just signage. If we look at Scotland, I

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think the minister makes a good point. Scotland have had excellent

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system in place. They have a website. It is ultimately

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accountable to the Scottish Executive and that is something we

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have to look at. We have to make sure we are getting things in the

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right order. David McIlveen says we need to look at it, you say it is a

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model you quite like. It sounds like you are singing of the same

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song sheet. What is the problem? is a difference of response. On a

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daily basis since I have been minister I've been trying to drive

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the department in favour of heritage. That is why I have put

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money into archaeology and working with their Heritage Lottery Fund in

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protecting the village next to Dunluce Castle. We can do work

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around better marketing, website, signage and interpretation. We are

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doing all of that. The issue behind it all is a strategic decision to

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invest significantly more resources, time and effort around the Hausa --

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Heritage product. That needs to be agreed round the table. Let's do a

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million things better but let's recognise that the one thing is

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investing in heritage led development. Let's see if David

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McIlveen can leverage money out of the Finance Minister's Perce!

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Good work done, but more to do. That was the enterprise minister's

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message during a statement on improving telecoms ever stricter.

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On mobile phone coverage, Arlene Foster expressed concern about

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second-generation and looked We need to have a telecoms

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infrastructure that meets the needs of business to allow them to be

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competitive and promote their services and products. Over the

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last three years my department and the Northern Ireland Executive have

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invested �45 million in improving our telecoms infrastructure and

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some �21 million has been specifically earmarked to support

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improvement of networks in rural and remote locations where there is

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no likelihood of private sector investment. We have provided

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investments to stimulate super-fast broadband services, given Northern

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Ireland its first international telecoms link to North America,

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ensured continued access to a broadband service at reasonable

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cost for business and residential consumers who are unable to get

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broadband by a wire, and established a free advisory service

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for all businesses to help them understand how they can exploit

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these new services. We are not resting on our laurels are becoming

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complacent. I know our infrastructure is not perfect and

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there is more to be done. The Ofcom report indicates there are still

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some broadband blackspots and Northern Ireland has the lowest

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take-up of basic broadband services in the UK at 63.9%. This is

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something I want to address and my department has plans to further

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improve broadband coverage. A total of �19 of farming -- a total of

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Mmac 19 million of funding has been earmarked and we will have a

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consultation to identify areas we need to intervene in. We received

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over 700 responses and they are presently being analysed. On the

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question of mobile-phone services I'm disappointed that Northern

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Ireland has at their lowest outdoor coverage of TG mobile services. It

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is 80%, just above Wales. On 3G, we have the second worst outdoor

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coverage at 55.9%, just above Wales at 52.4%. This is a priority for me.

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The mobile market has not remain static and is continuing to evolve.

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Providers are can tot -- consolidating services and

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preparing for the introduction of 4G. The switch off on analogue TV

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last year created space for more or more by traffic and an auction has

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commenced for this space across the UK. -- mobile traffic. I have

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lobbied for Northern Ireland and secured a target of 95% coverage

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here when licences are awarded. It strikes me that there is an

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opportunity when the G8 Summit comes to Fermanagh and the

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Spotlight falls on the province that we can positively showcase

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what we have achieved in Northern Ireland. No doubt, demand for

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communications services will increase in certain areas and were

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temporary solutions may be deployed for the event, it gives the energy

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-- industry an opportunity to leave a permanent legacy for the local

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community's benefit. It is something I would be pleased to see

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happening and I would encourage the industry to seize that opportunity

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positively. I would be very disappointed at the figures that

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the minister has given us about mobile services here in the north.

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That is very disappointing. Also, the potential arising from the

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roll-out of 4G services, could be minister specified, I know but she

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-- but she noted she had lobbied for coverage, is that indoor or

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outdoor and did the firms themselves during their

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conversation with the Minister give us any time frame for the roll-out

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of that project? I thank the chair man for his question. It is

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disappointing to see big coverage. The second-generation coverage

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problem arises from the fact that we did not have an there for the

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national targets set by Ofcom meant they did not have to do as much in

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Northern Ireland as we would have liked to see. Given that we now

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have this 4G target it is my understanding that it is an art.

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Target for 95% coverage. -- out. Target. That will vary in relation

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to outdoor -- indoors. I am asking be industry to exceed the target.

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According to the gear and the legacy it will leave for Fermanagh,

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can I ask for further information about the permanent improvements

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that will be made to mobile phone and broadband coverage in rural

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Fermanagh, particularly in rural areas instead of the inevitable

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temporary benefits to serve world powers? Some of us are delighted to

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see them coming but he makes a fair point in relation to temporarily

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insulation -- installations that may be used at that time. I have

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said to be industry, whether it is everything everywhere are Vodafone

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-- or Vodafone, I have said to each, take this opportunity to put in

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legacy infrastructure. The cross- departmental group which has been

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set up to ensure this event is a success and to deal with these

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issues knows very well might use in relation to these issues. We have

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commenced discussion with relevant stakeholders about venues and

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telecoms providers and indeed, with the national government about

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Our political correspondent is with me. What would shoot -- should we

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be looking out for tomorrow? Karen Aim: Answers questions, she

:27:24.:27:30.

will be asked about the perceived lack of recognition of Protestant

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loyalist culture. -- Karen Woo Coonan. She will also be asked for

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an update of the world police and fire games. I also understand a

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senior PSNI officer has been trying to reassure those coming to

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Northern Ireland for big games? they are not be Olympics but there

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is a lot riding on this. There are 25,000 people coming. The Assistant

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Chief Constable, Judith Gillespie, has used her blog to calm any fears,

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saying she wants to reassure people that the majority of recent

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protests have been peaceful and disorder has been in small areas.

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She sees a lot of nervousness and is trying to calm fears. It will be

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interesting to see what Caral Ni Chuilin says about how things are

:28:19.:28:26.

going. A lot of people very sad to hear about the death of Inez

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McCormack, the trade unionist and campaigner? The word legend is

:28:32.:28:40.

over-used, but where Inez McCormack is used it applies. -- is concerned.

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In the 1980s she was always present. We hardly did a story that did not

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feature her somewhere. She was a veteran trade unionist and a human

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rights campaigner as well. Her fame spread be on Northern Ireland. She

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was once played by Meryl Streep on Broadway and last year named by

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