26/11/2013 Stormont Today


26/11/2013

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Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up in the next 30 minutes:

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The Deputy First Minister won't confirm

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if Gerry Adams was in the IRA, but is happy to admit his own past.

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I am on the public record that I was a member of the IRA. It didn't do me

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any harm getting elected in mid-Ulster.

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Sunday racing at the North West 200 moves one step closer. There has to

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be a flexibility because of the economic benefit that has to the

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region. Indeed, if we had a repeat of what has happened in the past

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three years, it would be my contention that a lot of people

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would not come back. And political commentator Alex Kane

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is with me to review today's proceedings.

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He was asked directly, but he avoided answering the question. In

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the Assembly today the Deputy First Minister failed to confirm or deny

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if Gerry Adams was ever in the IRA. Martin McGuinness also told the

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Assembly he believes the loyalist protests planned for Belfast city

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centre are being organised by the UVF. But first Mr McGuinness

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criticised comments made by the UK Work and Pensions Minister about

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Welfare Reform. I am sure people are well aware of the interview that

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Mike Penning gave to the BBC here just a short time ago. I think

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instead of threatening cuts of ?5 million her month from our block

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grant, he would be better spending his time working out why DWP has

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written off ?34 million on an IT system that's not fit for purpose.

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The departmental estimates suggest the figure for write office could

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reach ?140 million. The out working of Welfare Reform in England is

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being challenged in the courts and tested in the courts and indeed, DWP

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have not got it right. I am not sure why people are in such a rush for us

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to get it wrong as well. I support the Deputy First Minister. Could the

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minister tell us whether or not there is a Plan B if these threats

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become real in relation to cuts in our budget and how that's going to

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be managed through the executive? I think it is too soon to go into

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that. I think from our prospective, we are dealing with the reality of

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the here and now and the fact there has been useful discussions taking

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place among members of the executive and quite clearly people are

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focussed on the challenges that this poses for us. As I said, in relation

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to Mike Penning's contribution which I have to say in my opinion was one

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of the worst interviews I have heard whenever, not alone did he attempt

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to deal with that issue in a very clumsy way, he ventured into areas

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of responsibility for this assembly and this executive. Areas he had no

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right to venture into. Does he believe that had gads was not a

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member of the IRA despite all the evidence from other witnesses to the

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contrary? Well, I am on the public record that

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I was a member of the IRA. It didn't do me any harm getting elected in

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mid-Ulster. The people of South Derry and east Tyrone whenever they

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made a decision to make me their MP in 1997 did because they believed I

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was committed to building the peace process. Because they wanted peace

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and they saw my contribution to that as being an important contribution.

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I hope I've made an important contribution. And I think those

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people who make the argument that you can't further contribute to

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society in a meaningful way because you were a member of the IRA in the

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past. They are making a huge mistake. Given the fact that there

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will be a march on Saturday in the centre of Belfast which again will

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disrupt business, would the Deputy First Minister agree with me that

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these people have made their point in relation to flags and they should

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desist from future demonstrations and if possible, enter into the

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Haass process where they could make their points more effectively?

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Well, I agree that it is a responsibility of everybody involved

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in this to recognise the importance of discussion and dialogue. I do

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think people have made their point and I note with interest that the

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media are now exercised about who is organising the parade on Saturday. I

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don't have any doubt as to who is organising this parade. This parade

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has been organised by the UVF. It has been supported by elements

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within the Orange Order. I think there clearly is a responsibility on

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the progress why I have unionist party as they call themselves to

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recognise the damage that can be done if these protests continue.

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Martin McGuinness making clear how he feels about the planned loyalist

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flag protests. The commentator Alex Kane is with me now. There was a lot

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in that session today. The Deputy First Minister made his views very

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clear first of all on Mike Penning and what he had to say about Welfare

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Reform? Well, he did and through that he called him the direct rule

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minister, proving yet again about old habits dying hard. I am not sure

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where they are coming from in this sense of attacking Penning tonne. We

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are talking about the most important legislation across the UK for the

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past 50 years. The executive, the assembly has never had a proper

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serious debate about this. We are coming up to Christmas and they have

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not had the debate and they get shirty when somebody goes, "Why

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haven't you dealt with it? If you haven't dealt with it, we will

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punish you." We kneed clarity because the clock is ticking? They

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can't do anything now. There is two weeks left of this session. When

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they come back in January, they come back for Eurotunnel, Westminster and

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-- European Council and Westminster and no party wants to get bogged

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down. What about Mr ss' response about gads and whether or not he was

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in the IRA. It was a strange answer, did he duck the question? It sounded

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like he was answering the question, were you Mr McGuinness ever in the

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IRA? I was. The reality is this Adams question is not going to go

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away because former IRA people are saying he was in the IRA and people

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close to him are saying he was in. It will be difficult for people like

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McGuinness to not keep on not answering. They are going to have to

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give an answer whether they like it or not.

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Looking ahead to the planned flag protest in Belfast on Saturday.

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Martin McGuinness was clear about who he thinks is organising that? He

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was clear with little evidence, I suspect. It is not a helpful

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intervention. This is the Deputy First Minister saying the people

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behind this are in the UVF and they are linked in with the Orange Order.

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It throw that in, was a stupid thing to do. Just as you look ahead to

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that. How do you think that situation might unfold? There were

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calls for those involved to think again and we know that John Kyle

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said in a private capacity today on BBC Radio Ulster, he thought a

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Saturday is not a day for a demonstration like that? He said

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that. That's what he said this morning and then he tweeted later

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that he would be going to the protest himself. Look, you have

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10,000 people coming into the centre of Belfast. It is not at wise thing

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to do at any time let alone when you are trying to tie it in with parades

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and other emotional issues. Alex Kane, thank you.

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It's one of the biggest sporting events held in Northern Ireland, but

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twice in the last three years the North West 200 has been cancelled

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because of poor weather. Today the Assembly passed the second stage of

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a motion that could allow racing on a Sunday if the Saturday is washed

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out. The motion was brought by the Regional Development Minister. Road

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racing events have value and contribute not only to the local

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economies, but to Northern Ireland as a hole. Both in terms of direct

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spend and the positive international media coverage arising from them.

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Road racing has become hugely popular with major international

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events such as the Ulster Grand Prix and the north-west 200 attracting

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thousands of spectators. They also attract considerable sponsorship

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from major international companies, often and within the automotive and

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related industries. That sponsorship and the events which they support

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would be put in doubt if more ka cannot be done to ensure that races

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can be rescheduled as they are in the Isle of Man when bad weather

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prevents them taking place. The road races Amendment Bill is

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straightforward. It has a single clause and a single purpose to

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introduce flexibility into existing road racing arrangements. My

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department received almost 900 responses to the public consultation

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on the Bill and 92% of respond arnts ents were in support of its aims. It

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is good for the economy. Good for sport in Northern Ireland and

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indeed, good for tourism. And we, the committee, support the Bill. Can

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I turn now to some party remarks leaving my chair's hat behind, Mr

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Principal Deputy Speaker? It is important to balance the rights of

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the local community and indeed churches. I think that is something

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that everyone within the committee within this House would want to do

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in relation to any Bills. Coleraine is not the affluent place that

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people think it is. There is a short tourist season and especially during

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the years of the troubles, it was very difficult to fill beds and

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today, I think we're privileged that we have this event along with a few

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others that sustains the tourist industry. Not just in Coleraine and

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Portrush and Portstewart, but beyond it. I do support the principle of

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the Bill in this instance. There has to be a flexibility because of the

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economic benefit that that has to the entire region. Indeed, if we had

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a repeat of what happened in the past three years, it would be my

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contention that a lot of people would not come back, a lot of our

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visitors particularly from England and Scotland and the Continent who

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have come over and who invested hugely for many of these people,

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that's their only holiday of the year and they come and they are

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relatively wealthy and affluent people and they part with their

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money during their time that they are here.

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Churchgoers have rights too. Yes, I have a house on that circuit. Yes, I

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am a churchgoer. Yes, I fail I have an entitlement to exercise my right

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to go to church. Why should I or anyone else who feels entitled to

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exercise that right be suddenly told on 24 hours notice, " Sorry, your

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right has been trumped." Because the public road that you use to travel

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to church won't be available to you." Jim Allister voicing his

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opposition to allowing Sunday racing at the North West 200.

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Farmers are facing huge fines for mistakes made in claiming the Single

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Farm Payment, a subsidy paid to farmers by the Department of

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Agriculture. A motion, proposed by the DUP, claimed there's a rising

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number of reviews of decisions regarding the payment and called on

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the Agriculture Minister to make sure adequate resources are in place

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to process all cases. Our off office staff found a body of work coming to

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us by way of review of single farm payments. If a farm made an over

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declaration or made some other failure they are fined. In one case,

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we have been dealing with a young man who took over the farm business

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after the sudden death of his father. He is facing losing well

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over ?15,000 of this year's single farm payment because of some

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confusion over three cattle tags. For stage one reviews, in 2011 the

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time taken to process a stage one application from receipt to decision

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issued averaged now, I say ampling averaged at 263 calendar days. In

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2012, the average was 186 calendar days and in 2013, the average is 205

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calendar days. Stage two, in 2011 the time taken to process a stage

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two application from receipt to decision issued averaged at 975

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calendar days. In 2012, the ampling average 1083 and in 2013 to date,

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the average is 612 calendar days. This procedure is meant to ensure

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the department acted in accordance with the relevant EU regulation. The

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review process is falling below this standard. A farmer's wife called

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into my office last Wednesday to explain the extreme distress and

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worry that she has for her husband because of a request from DARD that

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he repay 100% of his 2012 single farm payment. In their case, just

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under ?14,000. She is worried for the mental health of her husband as

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a result of this request. This is a huge weight hanging over this young

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farming family. They have 150 cattle on their farm. And have told me they

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will soon be unable to receive meal deliveries. I rise to support the

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motion and would register an interest in single farm payment. The

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service given to me by the department has been first class, but

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I am not a recipient of thousands or hundreds of acres. I am sure the

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minister is disappointed at these lengthy waits and will be doing all

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in our power to ensure that vast improvements are carried out.

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The 2013 single farm payment year, there were 37,633 applicants and 65%

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of these were submitted in the first two weeks of May. The first two

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weeks of May or the last two weeks of the application period and that

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equates to 24661 applications landing in Orchard House. 20.4% of

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these were completed online which the maths will state that 80% of

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farmers still don't complete them online and that's something which

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needs to be addressed. It takes ten weeks to scan and key in the data

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from all of these applications and there are over 50,000 errors

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identified in the first validation. Additional staff have been seconded

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to the team to assist with clearing the backlog. 272 cases have been

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cleared and the current case load has been more than halved to 117

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over the last five months. In 2012, I secured additional resources for

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stage two team, while additional staff were brought into the team

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because of the number of dup mri kate fee cases and the impact of

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these staff have not been realised as work was focussed on clearing the

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long-standing cases. This year we have finalised 63 cases and that's

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in line with the target that was given to the committee back in

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October. The Agriculture Minister, Michelle

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O'Neill, and the motion passed on an oral vote. Back to Question Time and

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the Employment and Learning Minister, Stephen Farry, where

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apprenticeships, youth unemployment and the prospects of a rural

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university were all on the agenda. Can the minister give us an update

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on his plans for a rural university? The member is referring to project

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ten within the higher education strategy. And we are in discussions

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with a number of different providers in that regard. I am sure the member

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could guess which ones those would be given the rural aspect of this

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particular project. What this is about is opening up access to people

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to higher education provision and having particularly in mind those

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who may well experience barriers and perhaps those who are studying

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part-time and trying to balance work maybe those who are best placed to

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take advantage of this. Discussions are on going and I would hope to

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make announcements within the next number of months. What measures are

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being put in place in ensure that university degrees are tailored to

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the needs of the economy so that people once they are qualified can

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get jobs, based upon the qualifications that they have? Those

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who invest in higher level skills are in the main much more likely to

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be in employment to sustain employment and to have higher levels

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of wages or salaries. However, we do have issues regarding skills

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shortages and shortages of skills within our economy and often a

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general higher education or further education qualification particularly

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in the absence of work experience isn't enough to find and sustain

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employment. That's why in the short run, we are putting such an emphasis

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on work experience including for recent graduates in order to address

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the needs of unemployed graduates, but I come back to the point around

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apprenticeships, apprenticeships need to be seen not as a secondary

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alternative to people going to university. It could be seen as a

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viable choice for someone with good A-levels. 63,000 young people

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between the ages of 18 and 4 never had a -- 24 never had a job. When

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does the minister think his schemes will result in jobs for these young

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people? In particular because we have placed such a is heavy emphasis

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fond upon the community and voluntary sector to tackle the issue

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of those who are perhaps furthest from the labour market. Our claimant

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count in terms youth unemployment is falling. Notwithstanding the fact

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that the Labour Force Survey can bounce up and down. It is worth

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stressing that the performance in terms of our youth employment scheme

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in Northern Ireland, even though we started it later is significantly

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better than the performance of the youth contract in the rest of the

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UK. And that does show the advantage of devolution in action where we can

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shape the nature of schemes to suit our local circumstances. Can I ask

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the minister if he might look at and his department might look at end

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suring that careers add -- ensuring that careers advisers are skilled up

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in the CAE system as well as the UCAS system? The member touches on a

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key issue. This is not about us directing students to Great Britain

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or to the Republic of Ireland, but ensuring that they are informed of

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the choices. We are not sending as many students southwards that are

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coming from the south to the north. So there is scope for an expansion

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in terms of student flows in both directions, but for that to happen,

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we need to have proper information around university admissions. It is

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more than simply a case of the knowledge of how the system works,

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there is the issue about the recognition of qualifications which

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is an ongoing source of contention between the two jurisdictions.

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The Employment and Learning Minister, Stephen Farry. That issue

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of how A-level grades are recognised in the Republic was also touched on

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by the Education Minister today. John O'Dowd was reporting back to

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the chamber on the most recent North and South Ministerial Council

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meeting on education. The Minister also updated MLAs on a range of

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cross-border initiatives. We welcome the continuing support through maths

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weeks and books Ireland. We noted the work of the educational under

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achievement working group has been reviewed and the group will have an

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intended educational outcome. The group will focus on three strands of

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work. International branch marking studies, school based and social

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interventions to address educational under achievement and the impact of

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pre-school placements on prary level performance. I welcome this change

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of focus. We note that work is on going between the education and

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training inspectorate on the production of two inspector reports.

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Provision of post primary level and numeracy level at post primary

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level. Moving on to teachers qualifications, both departments are

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progressing. A decision taken by the teaching council Ireland in December

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2012 has now been implemented. Both teaching councils continue to work

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to simplify assessments of qualifications of teachers for the

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purpose of registration with the teaching council Ireland. What I

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don't see on the list is a clear and consistent academic standard of

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assessment in primary schools. Something which maybe that group

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could look at with regard to the entire island because there is an

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issue there which I have come across myself with people moving up into

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Northern Ireland and then secondary schools struggle to understand their

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achievement levels when they get here and I have no doubt that works

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in reverse as well. Maybe that's something this group could look at,

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minister. We want to have a situation where whether it be

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teacher qualifications or student qualifications that are students are

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able to travel and students are able to understand each other's

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qualifications. Was there any discussion about the devaluing of

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the A-level grade in respect of applications made to Irish third

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level colleges through the central admissions office? I am confident of

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Mr Quinn's support. Minister Quinn wishes to see this matter resolved.

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The authorities in Ireland refused to recognise and give full points to

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the A-level qualifications or the A star qualification how the points

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systems work pose a disadvantage. Because you require 600 points to

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get into the some of the yufrts. They only award 150 points to an

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A-level. Most of our students only study three A-levels. Therefore,

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they are at disadvantage. It is an issue that's been raised time and

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time again. M are qip is supportive of our -- minister Quinn is

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supportive of our position and continuing discussions need to be

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brought to bear on the universities. The Education Minister said the

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refusal of universities in the Republic of Ireland to fully

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recognise A-levels had been discussed "time and time again", on

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26th November 2013. Alex Kane is with me.

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There has not been much legislation coming through? I can't think of

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anything that's come through. I think a lot of decision have been

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made, Peter Robinson said, a lot of decisions had been made, but none of

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them required - a lot of them have been put in the long grass. A lot of

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that will happen over the next two years because the election cycle has

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started. It was interesting to see the DUP backing racing. That would

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have been unimaginable a couple of years ago? It might have been

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unimaginable as 2007. They are having to change. The fact they will

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come into television studios on a Sunday and radio studios on a

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Sunday, they are realising if they want to keep the impact, if they

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want to attract voters they have to look like a normal modern party. A

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final word on Scottish independence. That debate will be watched closely

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here? There is more chance of me growing a full head of hair than the

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Scots voting in favour of independence, but it will be

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watched. It will be one to watch. The unionists should stay out. It is

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going nowhere. The Scots will vote with their hearts. You this I there

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is no need for them to get involved. Do you think they will be able to

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resist the temptation? You can guarantee unionist will get involved

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and say the wrong thing. It is not a cause they need to get involved in.

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They don't need to ral crisis behind the Conservatives Dunkirk rally

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behind the Conservatives. They can sit back and enjoy it.

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Thank you very much indeed. That's it for tonight.

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Don't forget to join me for The View on Thursday night at 10.35pm on BBC

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One. For now, bye-bye.

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A political programme focusing on the day's events at the Assembly and Northern Ireland Executive. Mark Carruthers is the guide through the corridors of power at Stormont, and is joined by key people from decision makers to opinion formers to make the experience enlightening and entertaining.


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