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It was a red letter day on the hill as John McCallister's crusade

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to formalise arrangements for an Assembly opposition passed

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And there was a promise from the Deputy First Minister

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It's been a long journey, but John McCallister has rewritten

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And joining me with his thoughts on today's business is our

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political correspondent, Gareth Gordon.

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At times it appeared to be an almost impossible task as John McCallister

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laboured to create the legislation needed for an opposition

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But today his Bill passed its final stage and it now proceeds

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to Westminster to receive Royal Assent before the end

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What makes it on to the statute books may not be quite what he set

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out to deliver, but the South Down MLA

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still believes his Private Members' Bill will improve how

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We've had 15 hours of debate and consideration stage lasted over nine

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and a half hours over two days. 52 votes at committee, on different

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clauses, 20 divisions and considerations using another five

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considerations. It gives you a place called opposition. Opposition gives

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our elected the chance to change the Government. I think on the whole as

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the Bill has emerged, I'm very, very pleased with what has come out at

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the other end of so many hours of debate and scrutiny. I think it's

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fair to say this Bill has evolved considerably from the Bill that was

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introduced and scrutinised by the Assembly and the executive

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committee. Key provisions such as the formation of the opposition by

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technical groups, establishment of a budget committee, renaming of the

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office of the first and Deputy First Minister and the proposal for

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departments to be a single legal entity have now been removed. Given

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that sentiment and the SDLP, consistent with the democratic

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structures endorsed by the people of Ireland on the good Friday

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agreement, we recognise that creating a place called opposition,

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or a place for more formal dissent in this chamber is healthy for our

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democracy. We remain totally convinced of the need and necessity

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of opposition structures to be put in place. The reasons Assembly was

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structured has been acknowledged in all stages of debate, but I think we

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should all aspire to improve what we are doing and move in time with our

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ever evolving society. But it is clear from the increasing disconnect

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that we are failing to do so when it comes to the structures of this

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chamber. I know this Bill has been well read since its inception, but

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as the sponsor himself said, the opposition part of it is largely

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intact and perhaps most important part of the Bill, perhaps the bit he

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would have selected if all else had to fail. It is also, there've been

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times in the passage of this Bill where I didn't expect it to go any

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further, because we had the unedifying spectacle of Sinn Fein

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voting against every clause of the committee, and the DUP weren't

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helping by abstaining. The party that in the Assembly during the

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course of Mr John McAllister's Bill has done most to try and derail it,

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namely Sinn Fein, that after their failure to attain their ambitions in

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the southern election, and falling significantly short of what they

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hoped to attain, that the height of their ambition now in the Irish

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Republic is to form the opposition. And yet in this House on every vote

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on this Bill they've sought to deny even the right to have an

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opposition. Because I think we had an opportunity to really improve

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governance in Northern Ireland. I believe it's an opportunity wasted.

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We wasted the opportunity to abolish Petition of Concern. We wasted the

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opportunity to abolish community designation. We wasted the

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opportunity to introduce collective responsibility. And we wasted the

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opportunity to introduce a mechanism by which we can hold Ministers to

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account. And the final stage

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of the Opposition Bill passed by 63 So, John McCallister's Bill has made

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it through the Stormont maze. It's a bittersweet moment for John

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McAllister. Many said he would never get past the final stage, but he has

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done so. That's a little victory in itself. It means that anyone after

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May in the Assembly election who wants to go into opposition, the

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bigger parties, the mechanism is there to do so. They'll be funded

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and they'll have enhanced speaking rights. But no guarantee that any

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parties will at this moment take the opportunity up. It is not the Bill,

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however, that John McAllister envisaged when he set out on this

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long road. For example he wanted to end the community designations. That

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is not happening. Sinn Fein and the SDLP blocked that with the Petition

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of Concern. They said it was too much like majority rule. The DUP

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blocked the plan to rename the office of the first and deputy

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Minister to the office of the First Ministers. It is not what he want.

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But he says it is a worthwhile exercise. It is an achievement

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achievement to get a Private Member's Bill through. It hasn't

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happened too often. Sinn Fein voted against. How significant a piece of

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legislation do you think it is, because it did go through today with

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a significant majority. Well, I think potentially it opens the gates

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and makes people think more about it. Whether or not as I said in my

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first answer min will take up this offer at the moment is open, and

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unless they do it sits on the statute books and doesn't mean a

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lot, I suppose. We'll find out early in May when we come back with a new

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mandate. The Deputy First Minister told MLAs

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that he would be "absolutely willing" to appear at a commission

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designed to provide information to relatives of those killed

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in the Troubles. Plans for an Independent Commission

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on Information Retrieval were set out in the Stormont House Agreement,

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and today Jim Allister asked Martin McGuinness if he'll take

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part in the process. Does the Deputy First Minister

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intend by way as example to other IRA men to provide information the

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information retrieval commission when it's established? Well, that

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brings us back again to the negotiations that we participated in

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prior to Christmas, and the huge progress that was made. There isn't

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much point in establishing an organisation like the ICAR or the

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other organisations that we agreed in terms of the structures if we are

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not going encourage people to participate to ensure that families

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who've been victims of the conflict can get some resolution to I suppose

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the information that they are seeking. If that's so perhaps the

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Deputy First Minister would answer the question: Will he as an officer

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commanding in the IRA lead by example and give information, to the

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information retrieval commission if it is to afford any hope to the many

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innocent victims of his IRA? Well, I think that on a number of occasions

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in the past I've made it clear first of all that Sinn Fein policy was to

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argue for the establishment of an independent international Truth

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Commission. And obviously we didn't achieve, that but what we have done

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is compromised in terms of the structures and mechanisms that we

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agreed prior to Christmas. I further make the point there isn't much

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point in establishing those if people aren't prepared to go

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forward. If I am required to go forward, on any point of relevance

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to myself, I am absolutely willing to do that. The Deputy First

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Minister refers to detrimental first contributions... Are will he agree

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that's always been the case? And every time I have indicated to him

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about his involvement in the past in paramilitary groups that was equally

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detriment, it doesn't hold much water when he denies knowledge of

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every single incident mentioned to him, which leaves people to the

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conclusion that he was the most overpromoted person in

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paramilitary... In the history of the world? Isn't it just as well for

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all of the people out there that we represent that I am not as bitter as

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the member who has just spoken? I spent a year in the office of first

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and Deputy First Minister with Ian Paisley during which time we built

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up not just a good working relationship but a friendship which

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lasted until the day he died. We had many conversations about many

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things. I know the member held Reverend Ian Paisley in high rafrmtd

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never once did we recriminate about anyone, not once, and the 8 years I

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worked with Peter Robinson. All we were interested in was making this

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place work, making the executive work, delivering for our people,

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getting jobs, and starting against against the activities of those who

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would plunge us back into the past. It is a pity we still have maul

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minded MLAs in this Assembly and one of them has just spoken and another

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one spoke just a very short time ago. Fortunately for all of us in

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the Assembly the vast majority of people are not like that.

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The Deputy First Minister in combative form.

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Was in comphebt from Mr McGuinness a complete surprise? It is not what he

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set out to say, but he has had many questions in the past from John

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McAllister and Mr Campbell about his past. He told the Bloody Sunday

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inquiry he had for a time been the IRA's number two. But to put into it

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context we should say that plans for an independent commission on

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information retrieval, to agree other aspects of legacy of the

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Troubles. John McAllister said, if it is set up would he be prepared to

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give details about his IRA past? Martin McGuinness can hardly say no

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if he wants other people to do the same thing. He says, if I'm required

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to go forward on any point of relevance to myself, I'm absolutely

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willing to do that. There is no such commission and there may never be

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one. Gareth, thank you. And just 36 hours after

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Carl Frampton won in the boxing ring, it was no surprise

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that his name was mentioned a time or two during questions

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to the Culture, Arts and Leisure But first Caral Ni Chuilin had

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to answer questions about the cost of repairs to the MAC

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arts venue in Belfast. The total cast of repairs was

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estimated at ?938,000. Almost a million pounds. This figure includes

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the repressed and of the stone facade and pipework as well as

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management and supervision of the works which include professional and

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legal fees. It is regrettable that almost ?1 million of public money is

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being spent to not only carry out repairs, but to cover some of the

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outstanding work which is health and safety related. I can assure the

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member of this house that I will, my department, through the arts

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Council, will pursue full recovery of this money. I believe it is an

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important building. Many people have gone through the door. It has raised

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a lot of concern considering the amount of money spent from the

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public purse. Can the Minister provide an update

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on the legal situation with reference to the repairs.

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They have had an extra day. The reports, when they are in front of

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me, will go to the committee. I will ensure that they are copied to the

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member for information. It is unfortunate that given the amount of

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money spent on the building, when I invested additional money from the

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public purse. They are repairing a building that shouldn't need so many

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repairs given that it is quite a young building.

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Given the great victory on Saturday night, what plans are they to host a

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reception for him in Parliament Buildings on his return.

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We have had receptions for athletes who have achieved a lot in the past.

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We are certainly planning to do that on the 9th of March in Enniskillen.

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We will look at the achievements of all athletes competing at different

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levels. I would hope that not just Carl Frampton but all the other

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athletes who performed on Saturday are more than welcome to that as

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well. He has said he would love to have a

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fight in Windsor Park, in terms of Belfast. What would you, and your

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parliament, given that we have the champion here in your own

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constituency, what are you going to do in terms of yours Department to

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support him? I'm not a boxing promoter. It is up to promoters to

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come forward with opportunities not just for Carl Frampton but for other

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boxes as well. We have met with many boxers, professional boxers in the

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past. Worthy opportunities to create a spectacle for us to enjoy we would

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be trying to have. Whilst we are all engrossed in

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watching Carl Frampton on Saturday night when his boat was going on,

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and another boxer became the band term weight champion in mixed

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martial arts. What support can the minister give mixed martial arts. It

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is a growing sport in this country? I will go on very quickly and three

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I think we need to do more. I follow the work of many people in this

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field. I believe that the work these teams do is absolutely brilliant,

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particularly working with children and young people who are hard to

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reach. We are showing them they can compete on a world stage. We

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Time is up. That is the end of question Time. Congratulations,

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Minister on completing your mandate. Congratulations, Minister

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on completing your mandate. The Speaker congratulating Caral ni

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Chuilin on her final appearance Another piece of legislation

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reached its final stage today, It will enable credit unions

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to offer shares which entitle holders to interest rather

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than a dividend and allow them to offer membership to groups

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as well as individuals. The passage of this bill represents

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the culmination of almost eight years of work. It enables credit

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unions to expand their range of services and offer the same

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facilities that their counterparts in GB and South America have been

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able to offer since 2000 and 21 respectively.

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The bill was designed to promote these continued growth and

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sustainability of this sector. I believe this bill will deliver what

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is required. The required change to create an improved service. The

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success and significant of these servers that credit unions provide

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here is backed up by statistics. 34% of the population hold a credit

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union account. Compared with around 5% and the rest of the UK. With

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membership doubling in the past decade.

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Frankly, the more you imitate banks, the more you become like banks. The

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more you become susceptible to the same pressures and regulation. We

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know what happened to them! I do hope that the sector continues its

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progress. It has always been a marvellously well-run system in

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Northern Ireland. I am sure it will continue to be so.

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Credit unions are enormous importance. I could speak for hours

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on the value that credit unions have maimed too many people.

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Individually, like myself, and collectively for families. I am glad

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that they have the level of support they have in Northern Ireland. That

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is reflective of the value that the people of Northern Ireland place in

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them. I remember back when I had a sunbeam that cost ?50. They told me

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I would be an essential car use and would need a reliable car at work.

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It was to the credit union, you turned for the loan for the

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second-hand car that allowed you to get a career.

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And the Credit Unions Bill passed on an oral vote.

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A Licensing Bill, brought to the house by Judith Cochrane,

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If it progresses it would mean outdoor stadia would be able

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to apply for permanent licences to sell alcohol.

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Currently stadium operators have to apply for temporary licences.

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This bill aims to apply the licensing provisions to outdoor

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stadium. The committee supports the bill for this new type of licence. I

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believe that the reform of our licensing laws is well overdue. The

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committee for social development has discussed this on a number of

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occasions throughout this mandate. We have a mandate to bring forward,

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comprehensive legislation to do with the licensing laws on that basis,

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the social development committee supports the bill. Can I just say,

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with your indulgence, it would be remiss of me not to mention our

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congratulations to Carl Frampton who is now a superbantamweight champion.

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He is a great credit to himself, his family and the people in the area he

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comes from. Can I start with the chair left off

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and congratulate Carl Frampton. It was clear on Saturday night that the

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Ulster boys were making all the noise everywhere they went. We wish

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him every success for the future. The issue that has been alluded to

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several times already is one that was the subject of some scrutiny by

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the committee, that is the issue of the 9pm threshold. Particularly for

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games, and there are quite a few games which commences in and around

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seven or 730 in the evening. Therefore, either run close to the

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9pm their shoulder or certainly, if people want to stay on after the

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game, the 9pm threshold effects them particularly if they are families.

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Quite a few of those attending the games are families, and therefore an

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issue does arise in terms of accessibility.

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I too would like to pass on my congratulations to Carl Frampton.

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There is a relevance with this legislation today in that in some

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point in the future and outdoor stadium may be required for a

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subsequent world title fight. It is important that we update our

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legislation. I am disappointed that there was no

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attempt to restrict the licence from a 360 Friday year year licence, to

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one, if the purpose is to facilitate sporting events, when the stadium

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are actually in use for those purposes.

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He was aware that this is a new reform of licence, it is a specific

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licence was stadium. It is ancillary to an event occurring in the

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stadium. This notion of a 365 day licence, we are not opening a pub in

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the stadium. It is ancillary to an event. If our stadium, that has been

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arrested in by the Northern Ireland executive could manage to run events

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began to 65 days a year, I would be immensely surprised. It would mean

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that they were really, really realising the potential of the

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stadium. I don't see that that is happening. It's not in the business

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The licence will always be ancillary to an event.

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The Alliance Party's Judith Cochrane, who brought

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the Licensing Bill which passed its Consideration Stage

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Now on to matters from the weekend, not the Irish elections,

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but the Green Party's annual conference which was held

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This sort of photo is featuring a lock on the conference trail.

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Candidates on display and ready for doorsteps. But the Greens have never

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had a picture like this before. This is the first time they are running

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in all 18 in situ disease. Half of the candidates are women. This was

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emphasised by the leader. -- 18 in constituencies. This reflects how it

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is in society. It reflects the assembly as it should be. He is

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currently the Greens only MLA. Taking his seat will be the party's

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first priority in May. They seem confident they can do better than

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that. I am looking for at least the

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Greensleeves. I am confident, my record in the assembly, my party's

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record in terms of campaigning, we can go with confidence to back it

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up. And so he is aiming for the stars.

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This is a new Pope. Let's hope it's the force a week and is! -- a new

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Hope. We are offering the electorate something to vote for rather than

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against. The big message we got in May 2015 was that people are trying

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to break the cycle of voting something that they didn't support

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to keep something that they didn't support out. We had a huge mandate

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and our best election result ever. But is there a limit it did pool of

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votes for parties that are not Unionist or nationalist. They think

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the appeal to the post-troubles generation.

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We are leading that agenda. We are looking at things like transparency,

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whether it be defending student fees, ensuring they don't go any

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higher. We represent young people. The

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conference did not hold the attention of everyone, but this was

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the biggest Green party gathering ever hear. Membership has trebled,

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but whether the party will achieve their ambitions will become clear in

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May. Chris Page reporting,

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and Gareth is here for a final word. The former Foyle MLA

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Maurice Devenney has quit the DUP, But it's not as clear

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as to whether or not he's joining He has a starring role, his very own

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political soap opera with a different plot twist every week. He

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was briefly an MLA here, co-opted to replace the former Speaker. He

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disappeared after about seven months. Recently the DUP suspended

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imports allegedly standing out a police station in encouraging people

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to vote for the SDLP MPU. Last week the Ulster Unionist party said he

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had joined them. The gauche Asians have been going on for some time. --

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negotiations have been going on for some time. Today he has said he is

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not joining the Ulster Unionist party at all. He has changed his

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mind. He said in a statement that as a result of discussions over the

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weekend, there are a number of issues I feel we cannot find

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agreement on. That seems to be news to the Ulster Unionist leader who

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issued a terse statement tonight saying that the contact had been at

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his own request and not progress of Ulster Unionist party. When we met

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on Saturday he claims he was less sure. It is news to me. All in all,

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an episode from which neither the Ulster Unionists nor the man himself

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emerge well. And the Speaker has

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been hosting an event for the Royal British

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Legion tonight. It's part of his outreach as a Sinn

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Fein member. He hosted our remembrance event in November. He is

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hosting the British Legion tonight, it was one of the things he wants to

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do before he retires in a few weeks. He praised what he called the

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significant contribution be Legion has made to marking a shared

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He expressed his respect for helpful direction.

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Join me again at the same time tomorrow night,

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Until then, from everyone in the team, goodbye.

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If this offer isn't good enough for you, I'm absolutely not interested.

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I became jobless, penniless and homeless...

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