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They are pretending they like me. Thank you so much bordering on us.

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Here is what is coming up. Lope in syndrome sufferer born in the

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Clinton is fighting in court for the right to end his own life.

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Should he be allowed to do so? We go under cover to expose a crooked

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car dealer, cheating the public by selling vehicles that have been

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clocked. Allotted was an irreverent take on the Catholic church. --

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Father Ted. Ardal O'Hanlon joins us. And what on earth is going on, up

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on the hill, about tickets for the Jubilee party? All will be revealed

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later. Thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. We have a

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packed sure. And there are lots of ways for you to get involved at

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Miserable, demeaning, and dignified and intolerable. The words of Tony

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Nicholson, a sufferer of locked-in syndrome. He has gone to court to

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try to win the right to in his life. Having a stroke in 2005 left him

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paralysed below the neck and unable to speak. He communicates by

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blinking. Should he have the legal right to decide when de end his

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life? Tony and his wife during a live from their home in Wiltshire.

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-- joins me live. Thank you for talking to us this evening. Jean,

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you are pushing this on behalf of pony and the family. Can you just

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tell me why -- Tony. Can you tell me why you do not what your has

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been to continue with his life? Because it is his wish. None of us

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have pushed him into it. We are just doing what he wants. Tony can

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communicate, it is difficult, but he can - how does he do it? He uses

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a board, this Perspex board, he looks at letters and collars and he

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blinks and he gets billboards it. Can you ask Tony why live with you

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and his family is not what going on with? Letter I H A V E To Suffer.

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Every. Day. And. I. Have. Had. Enough. I have to suffer every day

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and I have had enough. I am certainly no one could judge. It

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will be interesting to see what you think at home tonight. You will see

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the details coming up on the screen about how to contact us. Tony, when

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you said "suffer", can you define I'm. Fed. Like. A. Baby. I. Go. To.

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 53 seconds

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The. Toilet. In. A. Sling. And. Generally. Pushed. Around. To. Get.

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Showered. A... You get a general idea? I do, yes. I could have

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recorded the segment this evening. But, I wanted to convey the reality

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of communicating between you has been that yourself. Some people

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would say, look at the law than devotion, look at the interaction

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between you and your husband -- the love and devotion, and that you are

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doing so much for him. Is that not what life is about? It is not

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enough for him. Some people have said, is he not wanting to go,

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being selfish? I would be selfish, trying to keep him here, because

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his like here is intolerable. intolerable for you, too? For me,

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seen him like that, yes. I understand how he feels. We have

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been talking about this for a very long time and he has never wavered

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in his decision. It is what he wants. All I can do is support him.

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And you're fighting a case for Tony to have the right to decide how he

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will die. That is happening now. Yes, it is. The Act must be a lot

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of pressure. -- that must be. not too bad. We have been well

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prepared by the legal team about what would happen and we have a

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long way to go, but we are determined to see it through.

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has prepared a statement about the case. We can hear that statement

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AUTOMATED VOICE READS. I know that you have stayed up late to talk to

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us, Tony, and I want to wish you all the best in the direction that

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you going, with your life and with your family. Thank you for staying

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up late and talking to us, here in It is pretty, sorry, that has gone,

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it is easier to make a decision on what Tony should do. He was a

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birdie at the man, and he had a stroke, and that is why he is left.

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Imagine that wars you. What would you want for you? -- that was you.

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The numbers are coming up on screen for you to get in contact with us.

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We have a gentleman to it from the back he wants to speak. -- but from

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the back -- third from. He should definitely have the right. He is

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infinitely suffering. He is an intelligent man. He should have the

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right to choose. And yet, you think about the sanctity of life, how

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precious life is. That man is communicating. What if it was not a

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loving family? How would he be protected? He is just communicating

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and no more. He's not living a life. He is really suffering. He really

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wants to take his own life go stop he's intelligent enough to make his

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own decision. He should be able to do it. Kevin Fitzpatrick is with us,

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who is from an organisation a post to assist the suicide. -- opposed

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to assisted suicide. What do you say about that man, taking a we his

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I am not, I was not and I have no intention of trying to interfere

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with Tony Nicholson's decision about his life or his death. The

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issue for us, the big issue for us as a group of disabled people and

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others, who are contesting not Tony Nick Mullins and's individual

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choice, but what he's after... What he is after is a change to the law

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of murder in this country. That change will bring catastrophic

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differences. Protections could be built in. Unfortunately, that is

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not the case. How could protection not be built in, so there is an

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assessment of what the individual wants, what the next of kin would

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want. There would then be independent assessments from

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doctors, the medical professions, the psychometric have -- the

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psychiatric profession. Why is it not enough? It is because

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fundamentally, it would change the relationship between the doctor and

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the patient in a way where the doctor will be legally entitled to

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kill patients. Safety for Tony is dying, in his view. That is not the

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issue. The issue is this. What actually happens, when you change

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the law to enable you from Asia, has as -- euthanasia, as has

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happened in other parts of the world, is that you bring a huge

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raft of pages that are played out in the lives and deaths of people

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who are vulnerable. There is no evidence of that. It is not true.

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It is perfectly true. We can bad back and forward on the issue but

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it is perfectly true and there are statistics there to prove it. The

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death rate in any of the country's where voluntary euthanasia, and I

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stress voluntary, where I am totally against it when somebody

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else makes the decision, the decision has to rest with the

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People were dying anyway. They were just given the option of having a

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peaceful and paint free death and I think that is everybody's right. --

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pain free death. I wish it was true but what is happening in Holland,

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the death-rate in Holland, according to Dutch medical all

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authorities, is being reduced in terms of voluntary euthanasia.

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problem is they are not counting in the statistics, people who are

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being killed. These are non- voluntary euthanasia is. What is

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happening in Holland is that the practice of deep palliative

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sedation is killing nearly 10,000 people a year, and that has not

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been revealed. Share your own experience. I am talking about the

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overall death rate in the country doesn't increase. My own experience

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is that I have been a carer for the last 12 years. My wife has MS. Well,

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my partner, same difference. She is the person I love it. In giving up

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work, we discussed what the future held for us. Simple things like

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finance, because I was giving up work, she already had to give up

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work so we had no income apart from disability and carer's allowance.

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My partner is a very intelligent person. She said herself where if

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she did and one to tolerate her MS, she wanted the option of opting out.

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Did you try to talk out of it? course I did, I don't want her

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going anywhere else, I don't want her dying. But the assurance I have

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given her is that if the time comes when she does want to die, I will

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help her. You could go to jail for that. I accept that. She has got to

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the point where it is impossible for her to take her own life. The

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only reason she is alive now, because she would have gone to

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Dignitas in Switzerland five years ago, the only reason she is alive

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is that she has been given the assurance I will help her die.

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Where is Bernie Smith? Is that murder? Legally, we are talking

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about murder. The reality is, if we help someone to die, if we aid them

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in that, it is murder. We are talking about changing the law that

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will that our doctors murderous is dead of healers -- that will make

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or doctors. Murderers instead of healers. You are trying to tell

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me... A gentleman here that is a carer, a dedicated care, doesn't

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care? Isn't in the right place? Why is the state intervening, have any

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of us got a right to intervene in the relationship and real life

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situation that he has with his loved one? There is love and

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healing. To destroy someone's life, to open the floodgates, makes our

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elderly, handicapped, disabled... How do you know? You are not there,

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I am not there. People in Holland, instead of carrying donor cards,

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they are carrying cards to say, let me live, don't kill me. Front row,

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blonde hair, go ahead. Where do you draw the line, if you do allow

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somebody the right to die? As a solicitor, I find that it would be

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difficult to legislate. I am wondering where you draw the line.

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Why would it be difficult to legislate? Because it should be

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based on the facts of East -- each case. You can't draw up legislation

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for every single case. I am wondering if you did implement

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legislation, in five years' time, do you loosen the legislation and

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keep listening it? -- keep Tell us about Leah. At the age of

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21, on 24th September 2011, took a massive brain stem and stroke,

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which left her locked in. At that particular moment in time, when the

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doctors told us they didn't know if Leah was going to live, then they

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told us she would live by she would be locked in, in my mind that was

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actually worse. Because somebody who I laughed, somebody who was so

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vibrant, so full of life, was due to go back to university to do her

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final year. She had had a job at the end of that. She had everything

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going for her and all of a sudden, gone. She is also severely dyslexic.

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She used the board that we saw Tony using. Somebody who is dyslexic,

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trying to spell out to you with their eyes is extremely difficult.

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She remained totally locked in for eight weeks, she didn't move

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anything at all. That is what we were told she was going to be. I

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stated to the doctor in the room when I was told, that I would go to

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prison, I could not have watched my beautiful daughter live there like

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that. -- lie there like that. thought you would be able to take

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your daughter's life? When the doctor spoke to us, yes. Leah had

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said, her face is very strong and I was so angry with God as to how he

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could possibly do this to us. How he could do it to Leah, who had

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given her whole life to him, was doing so much when, and she is left

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lying there. What it changed your mind? -- was doing so much for him.

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It was the support around us. The programme on Monday night lasted

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half-an-hour, it took us two hours to watch it. For the first time,

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Leah was able to express how she felt. Ashy understand any of what

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we are saying? -- - she understand? Do you understand what you we are

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saying tight? You do. You have heard a man saying he has a similar

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situation to you and he wants to die. Do you think he should die?

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Leah says for eight weeks, she was totally locked in, and she says, it

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was sheer hell on earth. She has said this to you? Yes. She said she

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wouldn't have wanted to die at that sort of stage, she would have

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wanted to give it a bit of time, but her prayer would have been

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after a while, Leah says her prayer during that time was let me die.

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Does Leah think... After that length of time, Lear thinks that

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what he has been going through, he should be listened to. You think he

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should be allowed to die? But you very much want to live. Thank you

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so much. Thank you for coming tonight. A gentleman in the front

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row, hello. I certainly appreciate this gentleman's case, I watched it

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with interest over this last week or so and it brought back some

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instances in my own family. Two similar instances, one from

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Alzheimer's and one from my own mother, who had cancer. That lady

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there said the right word, support. We have got to support individuals

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like that, through the medical profession, through the family,

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That this discussion is about the right to have individual choice for

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It is whether as individual human beings, we have got the right to

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decide for ourselves. Do we? Yes or no. How would you call it?

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depends on the personality. Would you like the choice for you?

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would not have the choice unless the family or the doctors were

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around. Why is this individual trying to change the law? If he can

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take sustenance, although it is difficult for him, and I saw the

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Dutch situation... Why can he not take those drugs himself? I am an

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able-bodied person, I can take my own life. As somebody who becomes

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ill or -- more ill, your wife is happy to be as she is, but she

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cannot take her own life when she comes back. She has the only option

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not have the quality of her life that she wants. If she wants to do

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it, she has to do it before she becomes incapable. So many of you

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at home want to get in touch. Hello, Philip. What do you think? I think

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David in the world chair, he should have the right to die. When you

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live in that position -- in the wheelchair. The courts should let

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him commit suicide. I see in the notes, you were in a car accident.

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Left paralysed? From the chest down. Do you not want to live? 14 years

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ago I was thinking of committing suicide. I was able to do it but I

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had something to fight for. Doesn't everybody have something to fight

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for? A lot of people have not a lot to fight for. There is

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embarrassment and dignity. I am a vulnerable person. Thank you for

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calling me tonight. Go-ahead. the millions of Alzheimer's

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sufferers had known they were going out the disease, would you want to

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-- would they not want to die? Would you? I would, if I knew I was

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What we are looking at is not just saying a person's decision to end

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their own lives, but a change in the law with regard to murder. They

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are asking that a doctor intervene here, and that completely alters

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the whole relationship between a doctor and their patients. It is

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built on trust and confidence and caring and compassion. Right from

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the time of Hippocrates, all the ethical codes have been... They

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give no noxious substance to my patients. You're thinking in the

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interest of the doctor rather than the patient. It is because it is a

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very complicated situation. We are not talking about a simple

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situation which compassion can be legislated for in every case, in

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advance. The problem we have got is these are human relationships, they

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are very complicated and you can't take one individual case and make a

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law for everybody. We don't, we don't. That is the problems. There

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are many other situations in life individual case and makes a

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decision based on the details. Kevin Maguire. Doctors now switch

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off life-support machines. I have seen it done in my extended family.

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King George V was sent on his way in 1936 with an overdose of

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morphine. It happens now. Watching Tony, it was heartbreaking and I

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would make every MP and every peer in the Houses of Parliament watch

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that. I cannot believe they wouldn't change the law. If we had

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the money and the wherewithal, he could go to Switzerland, go to

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Dignitas, they wouldn't be prosecuted. But he is here, they

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don't have the money, and she would The select committee of the House

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of Lords look at this in 1994 and said that the law should not be

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changed because there could be no safeguards to prevent abuse. We are

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not only talking about one person. Because we cannot build in

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safeguards, Tory has his individual choice taken away. Your Parker

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might get to this stage. And I will end up in jail, because I will help

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There is a fundamental that is being ignored. The right to die

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exists already. They have is no such thing as the right to dive.

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The suicide law was enacted in 1971 and everyone has a right to commit

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suicide with and a lot. We are talking about the murder Act.

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let me control this. We're talking about assisted suicide. About

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someone who cannot do it for themselves so they need a doctor or

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other individual. Another individual to help them. You're

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talking about safeguards. We look at the situation in the Netherlands.

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I watch the programme the other night and they listened to the

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doctor talking about safeguards and about personal choice. But one-

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third of those cases of assisted death are none voluntary. He there

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are safeguards built into whether a doctor terms of Orly support

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machine. The problem here is, just one second, what we are dealing

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with is an emotional reaction to are very difficult situation. But,

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the truth is, people's lives are being taken already in Holland.

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is not an emotional reaction to Tony, who is suffering, who is in

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torture. Of course we can build in safeguards. I watched the debate on

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gay marriage last week and I were shouting at the television. If you

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don't agree with same-sex marriages, don't marry someone of the same sex.

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If you do not think it is right for you, don't. But, for those who do,

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they should be allowed to. Change the law. What happens to people

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like me, what happened to Jane Campbell, all the all people who

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get thrown out of hospitals at 90 years of age at 3 o'clock in the

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morning now, this is happening now, this is happening to people with

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learning difficulties... It is happening already. We are out of

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time, I am afraid. We will continue talking about this on Twitter. We

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will continue talking about it on the Stephen Nolan radio show on

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this car. It is time for Frank's What do you think Frank would tell

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This was not the only dodgy car up for sale. This dealer have another

:32:30.:32:40.
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three cars for sale online with We found one can advertised as

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having 75,000 miles on the clock, but online checks showed nearly

:32:45.:32:51.

twice that amount. Another was listed at 64,000 miles. When we

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checked it out, the reality is just under 80,000 miles. And we found

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one more, the advert sets and the 4,000 miles, the online records

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showed a over 50,000 miles more. Someone has clocked these cars.

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Changing the mileage on the cars is not illegal, but selling on the car

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that has been clocked, is. It is an offence to mislead the buyer.

:33:23.:33:28.

Trading standards say that clocking is on the rise. If you are looking

:33:29.:33:33.

for a bargain, do not get too attached and know when to walk away.

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Do not get mixed up with a car that has ahead and past. The law says

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that the seller should take all steps to be sure the car he is

:33:44.:33:47.

selling has the right number of miles on display. The cases that we

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have looked at have had cars with 50,000 miles knocked off the

:33:53.:33:59.

mileage. How significant is that? You're losing a quarter of the

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car's history with modern cars, which is a huge amount of mileage.

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You're talking about four or five years of the car's life. The

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setting the mileage is not rocket science. Anyone can do it. There is

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no legislation. It seems that it is you who is losing out. We would ask

:34:21.:34:25.

people to check the MOT certificates. And to check the

:34:25.:34:29.

service history of the car. People do not know what they are getting

:34:29.:34:39.
:34:39.:34:46.

if the car has been clocked. Always ask for the log book. It

:34:47.:34:52.

will allow you to check mileage from MoT records. We know for sure

:34:52.:34:58.

that this guy has been clocked. And just listen to how convincing

:34:58.:35:08.
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Hello, Frank. My name is Stephen. This afternoon I spent time they

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knew little does it. Here is what happened, Frankie boy! -- paying

:35:28.:35:38.
:35:38.:35:40.

you a little does it. -- visit. This is the business, from where

:35:40.:35:50.
:35:50.:35:50.

francs sells his cars. -- Frank. We are here, we want to speak to him.

:35:50.:35:56.

I am sure that there is an innocent explanation as to why that car has

:35:57.:36:04.

had 40,000 miles wait from it. I am sure that Frank will tell us. --

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:36:14.:36:16.

wiped. But, Frank was nowhere to be seen. It was just me in the dog. --

:36:16.:36:23.

and the dog. I am ringing and ringing and Frank does not seem to

:36:23.:36:29.

be answering. He knows that it is me. He said that he would not sell

:36:29.:36:33.

any car, knowing that the speedometer had been clocked. And

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now, he will not speak to me. We know of three of his cars, three?

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That have been clocked. Sold by an alleged cars Ireland, limited.

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Interesting, interesting. -- the Liege -- there needs cars. --

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Village Cars. If you have got a story, please bring it to us. There

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is the e-mail on-screen. Here is what is still to come on the show.

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Who should be ahead in the queue to see the Queen before the Northern

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Ireland public? You can get in touch with us, pleased week, text

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:37:41.:38:01.

or call us. And here is how to do Next up, it is a sitcom that has

:38:01.:38:08.

stood the test of time. It has a legion of fans. Father Ted is a

:38:08.:38:18.
:38:18.:38:19.

look at a fictional Catholic parish on Craggy Island. It is 15 years

:38:19.:38:24.

since the last episode. And his appeal has never waned. One of the

:38:24.:38:28.

main stars joins us now it. Please give refuge will come to our door

:38:28.:38:38.
:38:38.:38:45.

Hanlon. -- a huge will come to Ardal O'Hanlon -- welcome. What we

:38:45.:38:50.

tried to do with the guests, we try to have a bit of fun, and to have a

:38:50.:38:58.

laugh. We have doorstep a dodgy car dealer. It has been a very heavy

:38:58.:39:03.

show. Are you sure that I am an appropriate guest? Wars Liam Neeson

:39:03.:39:09.

not available? It reminds me of the first time I was on a chat show. I

:39:09.:39:14.

wasn't young stand-up comedian and I did the late, late show don't in

:39:15.:39:22.

Dublin. It was a big thrill for me and my family. The first part of

:39:22.:39:27.

the show was about people who had been murdered in horrific

:39:27.:39:34.

circumstances. All the guests were crying. The talk-show host had a

:39:34.:39:38.

big tear in his eye, and then he introduced me, and now, for a bit

:39:38.:39:46.

of a laugh, here is Ardal O'Hanlon. And I am, like, hello. And everyone

:39:46.:39:52.

is just looking at me, get off, you! It takes confidence to come

:39:53.:39:57.

out and do what you have done. Your leading the interview. Have you

:39:57.:40:04.

always been like that from very young? Always confident? Not in the

:40:04.:40:09.

slightest. I was incredibly shy. People who knew me growing up

:40:09.:40:18.

cannot believe that I do this. It baffles them. I was quiet,

:40:18.:40:28.
:40:28.:40:29.

anonymous. No one knew I existed. You often find that with a comedian,

:40:29.:40:32.

that sometimes, the person that is so confident in front of the screen

:40:32.:40:42.
:40:42.:40:43.

is quite shy of it. It is all compensation, I think. -- over

:40:43.:40:53.
:40:53.:40:55.

compensation. I cannot explain it. I am too shy to go into that!

:40:55.:41:02.

Father Ted happened, did you realise how big it was going to be?

:41:02.:41:07.

I was working as a stand-up comic in London. I was delighted that it

:41:07.:41:13.

was doing well. I was asked to go to this audition. I knew the

:41:13.:41:20.

writers, slightly. I went along, not expecting anything. I just went

:41:21.:41:25.

along. I did not hear anything for six months. Eventually I got a

:41:25.:41:31.

telephone call to say that I had got the part. I really did not

:41:31.:41:36.

expect it to amount to anything. I am delighted at how it has turned

:41:36.:41:44.

out. If you take what you did in that show, an irreverent look at

:41:44.:41:48.

the Catholic church, and look at the serious top there has been

:41:48.:41:53.

about the Catholic church recently, what is your real life do on the

:41:53.:42:03.
:42:03.:42:07.

Catholic church? -- view. It has given me so much! I think the

:42:07.:42:13.

cardinal should resign. I think that the Pope should resign. Got

:42:13.:42:17.

himself should seriously consider his position! He must have known

:42:17.:42:23.

what was going on. The worst part, from my point of do, is you cannot

:42:23.:42:26.

have any association with the Catholic church, you cannot even

:42:26.:42:36.

admit to having been the fictional I used to do stuff about it in my

:42:36.:42:40.

stand-up routine and I used to feel bad about it. I am not really God-

:42:40.:42:44.

fearing but I am a cultural Catholic and I am conscious of that

:42:44.:42:48.

background. What is a cultural Catholic. I am so glad I said that

:42:49.:42:54.

right! It is someone who recognises and appreciate certain elements of

:42:55.:42:59.

the Catholic heritage. It is inescapable. If you like Catholic,

:42:59.:43:04.

you are always a Catholic. lower-middle-class Catholic?

:43:04.:43:08.

someone who is lapsed and possibly doesn't have any faith, but

:43:08.:43:12.

appreciates the role that the Church plays in society in terms of

:43:12.:43:15.

christenings and marriage and funerals and stuff like that, they

:43:15.:43:20.

do a good job. I feel bad when you knock the Church but they have to

:43:20.:43:24.

be knocked, because as an institution, they have failed the

:43:24.:43:28.

people, particularly with the abuse scandals and more importantly, the

:43:28.:43:33.

cover ups. People are so upset and disappointed but it didn't stop

:43:33.:43:36.

80,000 people turning up at Croke Park for a mass last Sunday, but

:43:36.:43:46.
:43:46.:43:49.

they you go. You were going to get I just wanted to know, if the

:43:49.:43:54.

opportunity ever came about to do Father Ted again, would you do it?

:43:54.:43:58.

I would like to live my life all over again but that is probably not

:43:58.:44:04.

going to happen. No, definitely not, is the answer. We did three series

:44:04.:44:07.

and the writers were thrilled with the quality of the three series.

:44:07.:44:15.

Milk it. Market! I am a puritan at heart. -- milk, milk it! This is

:44:15.:44:23.

what the BBC keeps saying to me. -- this is what the BBC keeps

:44:23.:44:29.

saying to me. You are doing a good job of it! A bizarre show! It has

:44:29.:44:36.

been fantastic and grade. But we were delighted to move on. --

:44:36.:44:39.

fantastic and great. A lot of people don't realise I have moved

:44:39.:44:44.

on. Because if you are so popular and you reach that level of success,

:44:44.:44:48.

people like John want more and they wanted to stay in what they are

:44:49.:44:57.

locked into. Is that frustrating? little bit. An unfortunate phrase

:44:57.:45:06.

used in the middle of that, but... Really? No, it is not frustrating,

:45:06.:45:12.

I have had an enjoyable career to date. With a lot of variety in it.

:45:12.:45:18.

And every day is a new challenge. know you are in to your football,

:45:18.:45:24.

who are you supporting? I was supporting Ireland. Until a few

:45:24.:45:30.

days ago. I am just back from Poland. I did my stint, my duty.

:45:31.:45:38.

You would move that allegiance on to England. What are you trying to

:45:38.:45:46.

do to me? I have got to go back to Dublin. No. I don't have a hang-up

:45:46.:45:49.

about England. I don't support them in football but I would if they

:45:49.:45:54.

just played better football and that is frankly the case. I have

:45:54.:45:59.

tried not to indoctrinate my children in a negative way. I do 5

:45:59.:46:04.

live on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday. The Northern Ireland

:46:04.:46:08.

punters tell me of when I come back to Radio Ulster. I find myself

:46:08.:46:12.

saying we, come on England, we have got to win this. On Monday morning

:46:12.:46:19.

I am saying, did you see how cocky they are, they play awful. Move it

:46:19.:46:24.

every time. What about an All- Ireland football team? That is a

:46:24.:46:29.

brilliant idea. The tee shot had that idea a few days ago. Any time

:46:29.:46:36.

we have a real bad time in football, this issue resurfaces again. On the

:46:36.:46:42.

surface, it sounds like a brilliant idea. I would prefer to merge with

:46:42.:46:45.

Spain or someone like that, no disrespect to Northern Ireland

:46:45.:46:55.
:46:55.:46:58.

There are 350 in this audience but it is striking that your clapped

:46:58.:47:02.

him for saying that. I am sure they feel the same about merging with

:47:02.:47:07.

Southern Ireland. The thing about football, I am a football fan. This

:47:07.:47:14.

is our out let, the little bit of tribalism that we indulge in. It is

:47:15.:47:20.

very sensible on the surface in so far as you would have a marginal

:47:20.:47:24.

better football team. With Jonny Evans, we might have lost 3-0

:47:24.:47:29.

instead of 4-0. In terms of administration it makes more sense.

:47:29.:47:33.

But football is not rational. Football supporters are irrational.

:47:33.:47:38.

There is a guy here, I needed to be quick. Would you be interested in

:47:39.:47:44.

writing another song for the Eurovision?

:47:44.:47:51.

A joint song, it would be... thought, there is a decent bloke,

:47:51.:48:01.
:48:01.:48:01.

and you are. Thank you for coming in. In the show called bizarre, we

:48:01.:48:07.

are going to turn into politics again. Have you got a ticket to the

:48:07.:48:13.

Queen's Jubilee Garden Party? I got one... I haven't got a ticket.

:48:13.:48:16.

It has caused a stink here. The allocation of tickets has upset

:48:16.:48:21.

callers to the Nolan radio show. All of the tickets seemed to have

:48:21.:48:26.

been gone only a few minutes after the phone line opened. Well, the

:48:27.:48:30.

TUV leader Jim Allister is calling for the NIO to complain about where

:48:30.:48:34.

the tickets have gone. He is here, give him a round of applause.

:48:34.:48:43.

What do you mean, where have the tickets gone? I have got it in

:48:43.:48:47.

black and white from the NIO, political parties and independents

:48:47.:48:51.

were offered -- offered four tickets per member, what is the

:48:51.:48:56.

problem? You believe that? It is what the NIO had said. We are told

:48:56.:49:01.

there are 20,000 tickets and 10,000 went online at nine am yesterday

:49:01.:49:06.

morning. And evaporated within six minutes. We are told another 10,000

:49:06.:49:11.

were distributed undisclosed sources. Which includes, apparently,

:49:11.:49:20.

four Per MLA. Which includes certain groups, be fair. I am sure

:49:20.:49:27.

there are a lot of deserving groups. People will be disappointed. This

:49:27.:49:32.

is going to be a very dress occasion for most people and there

:49:32.:49:35.

was high expectation, and I don't want to dampen those. But I think

:49:35.:49:40.

there is a necessity that it is done in an open and transparent way.

:49:40.:49:45.

When you pick up with in your community that there appears to be

:49:45.:49:49.

certain political outlets which have no shortage of tickets, that

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is hard to square with each MLA only getting four or five And

:49:54.:50:00.

presumably MPs also getting the same. The question is how many do

:50:00.:50:04.

ministers get, political parties and MPs get. How was it that the

:50:04.:50:10.

next day after the party was announced, before any MLA was told

:50:10.:50:15.

how many tickets they were getting, they appeared on Facebook from the

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DUP, an advert, if you want to go to the garden party, contact your

:50:19.:50:29.
:50:29.:50:31.

DUP MP, or MLA. How did they know... So you know, we asked the other

:50:31.:50:34.

parties to come in, none of them would do so. Which is interesting

:50:34.:50:38.

in itself. Maybe because they knew their allocation, they get four

:50:38.:50:42.

tickets per member and it is up to them how they distribute their

:50:42.:50:47.

tickets. You are having a cheap pop. You don't know the facts yourself.

:50:47.:50:50.

I have said very little until the matter began to exercise people

:50:50.:50:56.

because of the unfairness. If you are saying each politician is only

:50:56.:51:00.

getting four tickets and there is a party with 35 people in Stormont,

:51:00.:51:07.

that is 140, 150 tickets. You do not go on Facebook to say, if you

:51:07.:51:11.

want to go to the garden party, contact your MLA. If he only has

:51:12.:51:17.

four, there's not much point contacted him. It is interesting

:51:17.:51:21.

that no other party has been prepared to lay their cards on the

:51:21.:51:28.

table and saved from all political sources, how many tickets did they

:51:28.:51:32.

get. -- and say. Ian, what have you done with your tickets? I have my

:51:32.:51:37.

tickets here, they arrived today. I ordered five yesterday morning. On

:51:37.:51:42.

the internet. I sat with two windows open, one had the Greenwich

:51:43.:51:48.

Mean Time ticking by, the other was Ticketmaster. I was getting those

:51:48.:51:53.

tickets. A lot of my family members went to London for the celebrations

:51:53.:51:57.

in London. If it wasn't for work commitments, would have paid a

:51:57.:52:03.

fortune. Are they the tickets that are on eBay now? No, was going to

:52:03.:52:07.

put two on this morning, whilst you're talking about it on your

:52:07.:52:11.

show. Then I had a gentleman and when I heard him speaking, I was

:52:11.:52:16.

like, he can have that ticket if he wants it. You were going to put it

:52:16.:52:19.

on eBay and you had people saying they really wanted it and you

:52:19.:52:23.

changed your mind, you have a conscience. I wouldn't put it down

:52:23.:52:27.

to conscience. As I said to the girl on the phone, I get married in

:52:27.:52:32.

September. If I can make �500 off two tickets I wasn't going to use...

:52:32.:52:38.

I think it is very disreputable for someone to buy tickets they are not

:52:38.:52:45.

going to need and don't want, and deny others who don't want -- who

:52:45.:52:52.

want the tickets. I think it is utterly disreputable. It is also

:52:52.:52:56.

shameful. Let him reply. It is shameful that eBay allowed it to

:52:56.:53:01.

happen. At the time I applied, I had people who wanted the tickets.

:53:02.:53:07.

They were all gone. There was an aim for every ticket. Unfortunately

:53:07.:53:11.

due to different reasons, they have said to me that they will not be

:53:11.:53:18.

able to go. If the tickets on eBay had been distributed on the basis

:53:18.:53:22.

not wear if you applied, you got five in the name of the applicant,

:53:22.:53:26.

but if the name of every person going had to be on the ticket, they

:53:26.:53:36.
:53:36.:53:37.

If you heard the Nolan radio show to date, there was a particular

:53:37.:53:45.

gentleman who phoned us and he was distraught that he didn't get a

:53:45.:53:49.

ticket. I told him he would be a special guest on the programme

:53:49.:53:55.

tonight, he is a World War II veteran. He is 92 years of age. His

:53:55.:54:01.

name is John. John, you are our special guest tonight, thank you so

:54:01.:54:11.
:54:11.:54:16.

Tell me why it is so important for you to go to the Jubilee party.

:54:16.:54:22.

Well, I think it is what we deserve after what we went through from

:54:22.:54:30.

1939-1946. And I think, I want to respect Her Majesty the Queen. She

:54:30.:54:35.

has been a wonderful woman over all those years. And I say God bless

:54:35.:54:44.

her. Would you like to stand up for me, come down here. Tell this

:54:44.:54:49.

gentleman, what is your name? Tel John what you are going to do.

:54:49.:54:56.

have a ticket for you to go to the Jubilee. Thank you, God bless.

:54:56.:55:03.

are going, you are going. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen,

:55:03.:55:07.

please understand the power of the show. You were listening to the

:55:07.:55:13.

radio, you have made this gentleman's night, thank you John.

:55:13.:55:20.

I don't wanted to sing the song, I wanted to help me. We have got our

:55:20.:55:24.

best bits over the last nine weeks. I want to thank everybody in the

:55:24.:55:28.

audience to supporting me. Shall we look at them together? We will

:55:28.:55:38.
:55:38.:55:46.

I am questioning why it is wrong to shoot another human being in 2012.

:55:46.:55:52.

Reading about myself in my notes! Don't be doing that! How do you

:55:52.:55:58.

manage to look younger? There is only one thing you can do with a

:55:58.:56:04.

boy like this. What I am saying is that every age finds it very

:56:04.:56:10.

difficult to understand the way another man thinks. He won't like

:56:11.:56:14.

this to me. He said, I know what you have done, you have told on me

:56:15.:56:19.

and I am going to get you. A very expensive reconstruction graphic

:56:19.:56:24.

this evening. I think what we are seeing is the sectarian

:56:24.:56:29.

manipulation of the allocation of public resources. Stop talking to

:56:30.:56:39.
:56:40.:56:51.

me in if backers, call it. -- Ian It is OK to say republicans...

:56:51.:56:57.

you going to let me finish? I would never thought I would see the day

:56:57.:57:02.

were I would agree with him. people involved in the murder of

:57:02.:57:06.

your mother, could you contemplate them being labelled a victim?

:57:06.:57:15.

of course I could. He said, tell me what happened. And I told him.

:57:15.:57:20.

you OK? I am fine. It is good to talk about these things but

:57:20.:57:29.

sometimes it is a bit hard. Have a look at the state of me there.

:57:29.:57:35.

best �20 I have ever spent. At the time I was like, �20? You are

:57:35.:57:38.

manipulating and taking advantage of vulnerable people. Almost

:57:38.:57:48.
:57:48.:57:54.

definitely not. What do you think How does it make you feel as a

:57:54.:58:00.

human being? I feel filthy. Give me loads of young northern accent and

:58:00.:58:09.

you will have but but but the whole I don't hate homosexuality, I know

:58:09.:58:14.

that is a sin. If you are a biblical fundamentalists, you will

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:58:24.:58:27.

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