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It's 1966, 50 years ago, and England are celebrating. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:12 | |
They're celebrating the first and, as it turns out, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
the only time that they've been on top of the footballing world. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
They've just won the World Cup. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
It's the first time I've actually seen the England manager | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
with the World Cup and, my word, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
he well deserves to hold that aloft, doesn't he? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
He certainly does. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Let's just enjoy those scenes out there on the balcony. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
This is the story of a bunch of working-class lads, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
their unlikely boss and a spirit that conquered the world. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
The World Cup, of course, is the greatest competition in the world. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Without any consideration at all, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
I said that England would win | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
the World Cup competition. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
In terms of what people had, they had nothing or very, very little. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
A dreadful, difficult time. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
I just think maybe, in them days, getting picked for England | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
was just the most important thing in their lives. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
It was the age of the pill, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
so sexual freedom came in, not that Bobby and I ever abused that. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
It was revolutionary. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
Everything started from the jaded and tired '50s. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
You were frightened to death, really. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
Honestly, his face, he went berserk. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
He went, "You've what? You've forgotten it?" | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
The F word came out quite a few times. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Geoff Hurst said, "See you next time, Alf." He said, "If selected." | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
Everything we did, we all did everything together. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
I mean, there was arguments and cups of tea going across the room. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
He used to turn and look at you, and he'd go, "Come on, come on!" | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
A team that won the biggest prize in sport. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
-COMMENTARY: -In goes Hurst, it's an equalizer! | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Some people are on the pitch, they think it's all over. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
It is now. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
And on the Sunday, what do I do? Cut the grass and clean the car. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:22 | |
Life's all about people, and these people were very special. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:30 | |
It's about their hopes, their dreams and, in my case, disappointment. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
'66, to me, was a horrible bloody year. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
He said to me, "What about that, kidder? What about that?" | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
1966 in the World Cup, he was the best player in the world. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
I mean, look what I'm doing now - 50 years later, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
still talking about it | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
because it was the greatest moment in football history. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
HE COMMENTATES IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
It's looking like about 22,000 out of the 27,000 capacity | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
as Zagallo takes the corner. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
There's Garrincha... It's a goal! Brazil have scored. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
1962 - England knocked out of yet another World Cup. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
It was embarrassing, really, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
because England had invented the game of football - | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
well, as the story goes - | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
and yet, as a nation, they'd done absolutely nothing of note. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
-COMMENTARY: -Garrincha now coming to the middle | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
and there's Amarildo to Garrincha. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
It's a goal, a beautiful goal by Garrincha! | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Yeah, it drives me mad, it does. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Frustrating is not the word, really, you know. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
They don't seem to play as fast as us, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
they don't seem to put as much effort in. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
The only thing I can think of | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
is that they read the game a lot better. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
Something had to be done...and this is what we had to do it with. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
These were the boys hand-picked to turn it all around. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Hand-picked by one man, Alf Ramsey, a London lad himself. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
Well, I should say Essex, really, though he didn't sound like it. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
I think there's a beginning to everything whereby it did enable us | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
to make up some of the ground that had been lost in previous matches. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
Elocution lessons, by all accounts. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
Anyway, he wasn't lacking in confidence. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Oh, most certainly. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
I think, with all sincerity, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
that we shall win the World Cup in 1966. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
Well, Alf said we'll win the World Cup in '66. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
Yes, it was, "Here is your dose of the truth drug. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
"You will take this and swallow it and believe it." | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
And we thought, "Well, that's a good shout but, you know, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
"it's something to say. He's trying to lift our spirits." | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
Walter Winterbottom, who'd been the previous England team manager, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
Walter Winterbottom had struggled | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
from the time he took over in 1946 | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
to the time he handed over to Alf in '62 | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
because the international committee | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
had the last word on who played in the team. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
You cannot have a committee choosing a team. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
You must have one man with a vision of his own | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
and a philosophy of his own to choose a team to win a game | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
and, because of that, we weren't really going anywhere. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
Alf Ramsey said, "I'm the manager. I pick the team. I do this, I do that. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
"Please get out of my way so I can get on with the job." | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
That was his attitude right from the word go and, remember, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
he lost his first match 5-2 in France. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:03 | |
He wasn't the most demonstrative of people. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
The first game we had, we went to France. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
I was the captain at the time... and we lost the game | 0:06:09 | 0:06:15 | |
and we got back on the bus. He said, "Do we always play like that?" | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
So I said, "No, no, not always." | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
He said, "Well, that's the first bit of good news I've had all night," | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
that's what he said. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
And I thought to myself, "Right, I know where we are now." | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
There's one or two people probably would be regulars | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
that would expect to play, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
but a lot of the team, they weren't sure. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
I mean, I was never sure that I was going to play. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
He'd always make a point of coming round and thanking every player. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
And he'd be walking down the line and he came to me | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
and I put my hand like that and said, "I'll see you, Alf." | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
He went, "Will you?" | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
I thought to myself, "Blooming heck!" | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
And he didn't want me to go away thinking, like, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
"Oh, he's had a good game. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
"He thinks he's going to get picked for the next match." | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Alf was a control freak, there's no doubt about it, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
but time was running out and some things were beyond his control. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
That was 1962, the World Cup final in South America. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
Four years later, the trophy's here in London | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
because this is the year when England, the birthplace of football, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
stages the championship of the world for the first time in history. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
Well, now, in just a few minutes in a London hotel, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
the draw is due to be made for the final stages to be played in July. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
He wanted to make the most of England's home advantage, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
to maximise the amount of friendly supporters. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
That was the host's prerogative. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
And it's already been decided that England should play in London | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
and Brazil in Lancashire, in Groups One and Three respectively. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:04 | |
This is a privilege afforded to the host country and to the holder. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:12 | |
Whenever I think of the World Cup, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
I go straight back into my grandma's house, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
her big kitchen and the telly stuck up there. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
This is for Group One to play England. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
-The first, Uruguay, in Group One. -So, Uruguay play against England. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
She used to go upstairs and have a wash, put some lipstick on, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
get changed and come and sit with her chair in front of it | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
and he'd come on and he'd go, "Good evening," | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
and she'd go, "Good evening." | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
So, she was still drawn into it. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
And the fourth is Mexico. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Remember, England must finish first or second out of those four | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
to get into the quarterfinal. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
They'd be up against it, all right, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
but these lads were used to a bit of hard work. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
Life as a footballer in the '60s was nothing like it is today. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
It was a different world. We'd just come out of a war. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
In many ways, in the late '40s and early '50s, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
you were worse off because all of the aid had stopped | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
and everything, and nobody had anything. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
I mean, first kicking a ball around was an old leather ball | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
with the bladder hanging out of it, you know. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
It was hard for families, cos everybody was skint in those days. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
I used to have bread and jam | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
when I got home from school, every single night. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
A cup of tea, two big thick slices of bread covered in jam - | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
that was it. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
You grew up to be like your mum, you know. You dressed... | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Just twin set and pearls. Yeah, I've put the pearls on! | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
All the women all had their hair the same - perms and rollered | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
and the same style and so...tired. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
Most of us had done national service. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
I'd been in the King's Own Royal Regiment for two years. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
I'd played in the British Army team. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
Six or seven of them were players who went on | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
to play for Young England or England. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
My Army days, 18 to 20, Windsor. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
The Duke of Edinburgh came in one day when I was on guard, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and I was only just standing next to the gate | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
and I had to open the gate for people to go through | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
and he was walking up towards me and I said, "Halt! Who goes there?" | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
"The King. The King's..." And I said, "Pass, all's well." | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
I was born in 1939. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
There was a certain amount of discipline to your life | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
after this particular... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Well, I mean, I never saw a chicken till 1955 or something like that, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
but the fact is, people had to have that discipline. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
A lot of those guys did, you know, but when I came into the game, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
the top wages were just coming up a bit from £8 a week. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
I mean, footballers, when I first met Bobby, I didn't even realise | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
that footballers got paid to do something. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
I thought it was a part-time sport. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
I didn't realise that footballers played it and it was a job. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
When I came to Leeds at 15 and a half, 16, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
our job was to do the ground. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:22 | |
We used to re-seed the pitch, paint the dressing rooms, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
paint outside, and then you got the opportunity, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
when all the jobs were done and the groundsman had finished with you, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
you got a chance to go training. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
My father made me leave school at the age of 15 at Christmas | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
and my first job was a local coal round | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
and the guy bought a wagonload of coal | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
and we'd lift the hundredweight bags and drop them down into the cellar. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Only because I missed a bus and decided to go | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
and watch the local team playing on the rec, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
where we kicked a ball about as boys, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
was I able to get a team to play for, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
because a bloke walks over and says, "Do you want a game? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
"Our goalie's not turned up." "Yeah, I'll play!" | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
It wasn't, "I'm a footballer and I've got a flash car," | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
because they didn't. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
They weren't on very good wages. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
When I got married to Bobby, well, I'd stopped working | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
when I was 19, I retired to get ready for the wedding, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
but I was earning £11 a week and he was earning £8, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
so I was the breadwinner, and that's a true story. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
He was earning much less than I when I first met him. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
You were more part of the people, if you like. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
You didn't live away from the people. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
We didn't live in big houses. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
In all honesty, the only player that had a big house was Bobby. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
We all lived in terraced houses or semidetached houses | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
and Bobby bought a detached house. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
I remember some of the players at West Ham didn't drive cars | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
and they would come to the game on the bus with the fans, you know? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
The bus queue was 20 or 30 yards long | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
and no chance of getting on, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
so I used to have to walk the last mile down to the ground | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
and, of course, all of the supporters are going down with you. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
"How do you think we'll go today, Ray?" | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
"Oh, I think we'll be all right." | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
We didn't get paid that well. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
When teams came to play at Elland Road, before a match, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
I would go to the hotel and say to the lads, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
"Listen, I've got some fantastic cloth. Tell us what you want. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
"Two pairs of trousers and a jacket and a suit." It worked, it did. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
I mean, Terry Venables was one. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Terry, every time he came to Leeds, he used to have a suit. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
No! Jack Charlton used to sell suits | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and get lengths of material out of the back of the cars and used to... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
Not dropped off the lorry, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
but they used to sell them in Leeds, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
I can remember that. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
You had to remember, it was the time as well. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
There was still a bit of stiff upper lip around, you know, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
in Britain, but therein might have been | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
the groundwork for a bit of resilience that saw us right in '66. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:20 | |
And I still think Alf recognised that, too, because, after all, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
he was the same era or before, of course, a very good player himself. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Alf played for Spurs, of course. He played for Tottenham. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
I used to go and watch him as a kid. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
We'd go to White Hart Lane, Alf would be playing in front | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
of Bill Nicholson, who became the manager at Tottenham as well. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
When Ipswich offered him a crack at management, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
he took himself up the A12 and into history. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Sir Alf Ramsey, at Ipswich Town, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
created this little town team which they now call the Tractor Boys | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
to win the First Division with a unique style of play. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
You'd come off the park thinking you'd wiped the floor with them, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
and you'd lost 3-1. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
They seemed to have the ball all the time, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
but nobody could fathom how he was doing it. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
He was very lucky. He had a super chairman, old John Cobbold. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
John said, "The only crisis we have at Ipswich | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
"is if we run out of gin in the boardroom," you know. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Since he's been with us, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
Ipswich Town have met with more success | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
than any other football club in the country. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Mr Mayor, you've been so kind to invite us here again... | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
Alf, to me, was the character. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
I think Alf was brilliant and then this posh accent he had. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
"Oh, hello, Norman. How are you? Lovely to see you." | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
I like coming here anyway. I don't know whether the players do. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Normally, they don't drink. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
The funny times that I liked him, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
when he dropped his guard and Alf would have one or two whiskies | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
and the F word came out quite a few times, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
which you wouldn't think. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
You mustn't believe all the stories the chairman tells. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
If you had seen me in Hamburg, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
you'd have seen that the ringleader of the party was the chairman. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Alf was a bit more of a complex character | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
than I think he wanted people to know. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
I mean, first and foremost, he took elocution lessons | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
cos he used to speak like me cos we come from the same manor, Dagenham. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:48 | |
-You come from a working-class home... -Good stock. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
Good stock, a working-class home from the east side of London, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
-I'll put it that way. -I'm not ashamed of that. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
-I have got nothing to be ashamed of. -Of course. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
When I knew him, he was a Cockney, but when he was England manager, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
he used to talk like the Duke of Edinburgh. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I used to say to him, "Didn't you used to be a Cockney?" | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
He used to say to me, "..off!" You know? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
When he was with the team, that's when he was at his happiest | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
and when he relaxed, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
but he wouldn't be once he had to put the hat on as "I'm the boss". | 0:17:17 | 0:17:25 | |
When I left the Ipswich Town Football Club | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
to become the England team manager, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
I found it a very difficult position to accept. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Mainly because I was not involved | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
and connected with players every day. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
With the England team, you might see them once a month, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
you might see them once every two months, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
and I missed it. I missed it terribly. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
He thought, first and always, that football was a team game | 0:17:47 | 0:17:54 | |
and he tried to fit round pegs into round holes. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
He did a simple plan with guys that worked extremely hard. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
Jump! | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
And very good players, you had excellent players, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
right throughout the squad. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Right through the squad. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
I know my father felt this, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
that England had five world-class players - | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
Gordon Banks, Ray Wilson, Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
and Jimmy Greaves. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
And he surrounded those players with the people that | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
were going to help them be world-class at that stage. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
There was a story about Sir Alf Ramsey and little Alan Ball | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
and Nobby Stiles... | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
The story goes, and it is a true story, that Sir Alf Ramsey | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
took them out into a park. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
He said... It was after training and he called him and Norbert - | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
that's what he called Nobby. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Sir Alf Ramsey's best mate was there with a dog, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
and the dog had a stick between its teeth | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
and Sir Alf took the stick off the dog | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
and threw it and the dog chased after it and brought it back. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
"Great," he said. "What does the dog do?" | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
He said, "The dog, Alf, runs, gets the ball, brings it back | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
"and puts it at me feet." | 0:19:03 | 0:19:04 | |
He said, "Marvellous, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
"cos that's what I want you to do for Bobby Charlton." | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
And him and Nobby said... They looked at each other and went, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
"Easy, no problem." | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
"Win the ball back, give it to Bobby Charlton, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
"and we'll win the game," virtually. And that was it. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
People like...Nobby Stiles, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
my brother, Jack, they weren't what you would call | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
classical players, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
there was a question mark. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
My selection.. In the team he picked, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
I wasn't a high-profile player | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
and I would say the same for maybe Nobby Stiles. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
I would say the same for Jack Charlton. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
Possibly George Cohen. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
Heave! And down! | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Lovely Jack Charlton story, which actually summed us up... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
And Jack was nearly 30, which is quite ancient, I guess, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
to be selected for England for the first time. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
So Jack, being interested in coaching | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
and all these sorts of things, asked Alf, "Why are you picking me now?" | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
Sir Alf said, "My dear Jack, I am choosing and picking | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
"and building a team, so I don't always choose the best players." | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
Now, I don't know whether Jack was looking for a pat on the back, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
but he got a slap round the face on that, but... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
We were listening at the side and we could hear this. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
But Jack tells it absolutely beautifully. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
He said, "And you fit the pattern that I have in me mind | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
"in the way I want the team to play." | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
In other words, he didn't pick the best players, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
and he always admitted he never picked the best players | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
at the time, he picked the people to fit | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
the pattern of the game that he wanted us to play, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
which I think is a very sensible way of picking a team. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
I believe it was a way of putting Jack down at the same time! | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Cos Jack could be a bit lively and I think that was Alf's way of saying, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
"You're not the greatest footballer in the world, Jack, shut up." | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
As much as the South provided the setting for England's cup campaign, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
it was the North and one pit village in particular | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
that would provide the spirit of the team. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I was so proud of Bobby and Jackie Charlton. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
One son who's the star | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
and the other one's hard and coming up the hard way, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
you know, like Jackie had to. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
And then you see them walk out of the tunnel playing for England, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
that was the happiest day of me life. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
One had reached the other then. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
It's only when you try to get your head round the adversity | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
that the family faced, that you begin to understand their passion. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
Mum, Cissie Milburn, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
well, she came from a famous football family herself. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
She watched as her sons, Jack and Bobby, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
went off to backbreaking work at the pit, or... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
almost to an early grave. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Here is the news. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
So far, we know there are 23 survivors after | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Manchester United's air crash at Munich this afternoon. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
-I'd like to say a few words to me mother, I hope she's OK. -Yes. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
-And taking it well. -Look at her while you're doing it. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
She hasn't been down to see me, you know, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
-but it's a bit of a long way and I'm all right. -I know. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
I could have been a bit worse off like some of the others. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
Bobby lost eight of his Manchester United team-mates | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
in the 1958 Munich air disaster. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
He was all of 20 years old. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
He, like his brother, Jack, were the kind of men | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
that Alf wanted to make up his final squad of 22 - | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
strong, dependable and loyal. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
'The England players arrived in good mood, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
'roused by the confident words of their manager, Mr Ramsey. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
'On top of the world, they seem, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
'with Bobby Moore ready to lead them to their first success.' | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
The biggest thing I think that I felt was that Bobby, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
about 18 months before, in November '64, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
had been diagnosed with testicular cancer. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
We didn't know if he was going to ever play again. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
We didn't know if he was going to live or die, come to that, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
but to see this man fight to get back into the team and get fit | 0:22:54 | 0:23:00 | |
and overcome the terrible, terrible mental scars that he must have had | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
because, I mean, he felt it affected him as a man. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
His living, his whole life was turned upside down... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
And then to see him go out captaining England | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
during the World Cup, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
it was like..."Wow." | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
It was time to deliver. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
It now gives me great pleasure to declare open the eighth | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
World Football Championships. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
TRUMPET FANFARE | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
When we played, there was no such thing | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
as a friendly. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
You know, internationals, getting beat off another country, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
you're playing for England... | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
That was unheard of. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Bobby Charlton... Oh, and the goalkeeper... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
You were proud because of one reason - | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
all them boys that you kicked a ball about with | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
when you were a little lad, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
you know, they would have LOVED to have been in our position. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
I know with Bobby, he was so unbelievably proud. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
He loved the big occasion, he loved playing for his country. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
He was so thrilled to be captain of England. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
We knew how we were going to win the World Cup, and then, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
when everybody was really, really happy, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
it was a bit of a damp squib - we didn't win the opening match. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
"Oh!" | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -It's a corner to England... | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
-REFEREE BLOWS WHISTLE -Dying seconds... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
And the whistle has gone, it's all over. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
-It is all over. -CROWD BOOS | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Uruguayans are as happy as sandboys with that result. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
They booed because they were | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
very disappointed that we finished up with a goalless draw. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
All the headlines were, you know, "England flop." | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'But, oh, how the moods of the moment change in this game of ours. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
'Oh, how quickly the world seems to spin over.' | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
With the bad draw and the press being what they are, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
they slaughtered us. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Do you expect to qualify now? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
-We make England and Uruguay first. -First? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
'So, the mood of the moment favours Uruguay.' | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
It was the best thing, probably, that happened to us. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
We got shook up badly, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
we were maybe thinking that we were a little bit better | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
than other people thought. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
Others certainly DID have an opinion on what Alf should be doing. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
It led to a difficult relationship with the press. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
-He didn't have a relationship... -HE CHUCKLES | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
That's a bit unfair, I guess, but it was a difficult one, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
very difficult one. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
But I think Alf's policy was to keep everybody guessing. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
Are you going to cling to the idea of using a true winger, Mr Ramsey? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
I suggest you wait and see until the next team is selected. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
I mean, he could be bloody-minded, Alf. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
I suppose he might have thought, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
"This is a way of getting back at the press. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
"Sod 'em, let 'em wait." You know? | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
We had to try and explain to the foreign journalists that we had | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
to live with this, so unfortunately, they'd have to live with it. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Cos they used to get onto us and say, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
"Can't you have a word with him?" and, "No, we can't, it's... | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
"You'll just have to put up with it." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
You couldn't tell if he was angry, happy, upset, emotional, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
miserable, whatever. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
He was just Alf, stone face. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
The trouble was, Alf hadn't even made up his own mind. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
In Jimmy Greaves, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
he had one of the best forwards in the world at his disposal, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
but readily admitted his mind wasn't made up on his striking duo. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
I certainly didn't feel that I'd have a chance of playing, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
absolutely not. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
The team did well, the team got a point. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
We had a lot more to do. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
Against Mexico, the stakes could not have been higher. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
England needed a win, and that meant goals. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
He wanted to play with wide players and it didn't really come off | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
to the extent that he had hoped it would, and which is very difficult. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Now you're thinking to yourself, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
"Well, we're not getting this right." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
Both teams had drawn their previous games and this was England's chance | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
to prove they could pierce the Latin Americans'... | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
No-one was really coming forward and playing very well. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
And Martin Peters, who certainly would not have expected to | 0:27:16 | 0:27:23 | |
have been in the line-up, came in as a midfield player. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
And Alan Ball was in and out of the side, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
he played the first game, Alan, and got dropped. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
So, it wasn't a foregone conclusion | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
as to how Alf was going to play this. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
I think, to be honest, he winged it. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
CROWD YELLS | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
The Mexicans were defending, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
but there was space in between, and I got the ball and I carried it. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Now it's Charlton, Bobby Charlton, Hunt on the right... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
What do you think about Bobby Charlton? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
We all think that he is a great player. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
He is one of the world's greatest players. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
Also, he is a very dangerous player who can win any match with one shot. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
He could switch a game from... | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
In fact, sometimes it didn't work out very well | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
because you'd be over here and he'd sort of do a dummy and switch the... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
You'd think, "Thanks, Bob." You've got to run all of 40 yards now... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
In my opinion, in 1966, in the World Cup, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
he was the best player in the world. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
So fit, it was very, very difficult to stop him. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Great finisher, great finisher. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
The ball just was running smoothly. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Glided over the pitch. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
If they're not careful, I'm going to be close enough to shoot. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Maybe a shot from Charlton... | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
And I smashed it. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
-It's worth trying... -CROWD ERUPTS | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Great goal, what a beauty! | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
30 yards, top corner! | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
And smack! | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
# England! # | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
Afterwards, people used to tell me they wanted... | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
They wanted to back us, but they needed a little bit of something, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
you know, and they said, "This goal just sort of got us on a path." | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
Unless you actually went to football, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
and I was very lucky that my dad took me and I knew about it, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
and I so appreciate the fact that he took me, even though I was a girl... | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
But they were just a team, they were the English team, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
they were England. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
But I think everybody, once they won, everyone went... | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
sat up and thought, "Hello. These must be really good players. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
"Who are they? Let's find out." | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Charlton trying to tempt them out. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
And it's Greaves, there's a chance... | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Hunt will put it in... Yes! | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
I had an easy job, really, to just side-foot it into the net. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
But Jimmy Greaves had made that goal. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Good evening. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
Well, that goal by Bobby Charlton against Mexico tonight | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
really was perhaps the most important goal | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
of the whole of this 1966 World Cup competition. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Well, let's start with you, Joe. Happy about all this? | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
The Charlton goal, of course, was a dream. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
I feel personally that either a Greaves or a Hunt should be | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
a taller man, over six feet or six feet, and very good in the air, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
because with packed defences, this is one of the ways | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
in which you can get goals against them, even if they do crowd you. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
England's blood was up. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
A good win in the next game | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
would see the boys into the quarterfinals, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
and speculation was rife about | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
who did or did not deserve to be part of this great adventure. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
Two roommates would become crucial in Alf's struggle for control | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
of England's destiny. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Stiles... | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Greaves... In comes Jack Charlton... | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
And... | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
To Alf, Nobby and young Alan Ball | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
were vital organs in the body of his team. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
If Bobby Moore was its head, then they were its heart. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
But Nobby's heart was that of a lion that sometimes roared too loud. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
And that is Simon... He's rolling in agony. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
And I went for the tackle and he was slipping... | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
He was a good player and I was committed | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
and he had knocked it and I couldn't stop, and I hit him. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Number 20 for England is Callaghan. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
-And Hunt! A goal! -CROWD ROARS | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
And the French don't like that | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
because they say they had a man injured. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
The referee is quite right. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:23 | |
And there's...the number 20, Simon...leaving the field. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
Now, this ends all hope for France, one man... | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
It would be a card today, it was a nasty tackle, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
and it was suggested by one or two of the FA International Committee | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
that Alf might think about or might even be told to drop Nobby. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
A lot of muttering going on about Stiles, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
and whether Stiles is an England player or not. Billy. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
I don't think he's playing well enough to maintain the game... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
You know, his position in the side. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
A player like that is rated on how nice it is to play against him, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
and I don't know of any forward who can look forward | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
to playing against Nobby Stiles. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
Oh, he was there for a reason. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
But he doesn't get the credit he deserves, you know. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
Nobby Stiles was a very, very good footballer, you know. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
Everybody thinks Nobby was stuck in there, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
and he was, to win it, because Nobby was very quick. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
Afraid of no man, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
no matter what size they were, he would get into them. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
I mean, I got hammered off the press, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
I got hammered off the first time they had a panel, and... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
on the Thursday, when we were training, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
I was just going through the motions when we were playing a five-a-side | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
and whatever, cos it was always great fun with England. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
And...Alf pulled me to one side and said... | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
"Nobby, did you mean to do that?" | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
-And I said, "No, I didn't mean it." -"That'll do for me. You're playing." | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
That was great, those three days. There was no worry, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
there were no pressures on me, and I went... | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Going along that morning... | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Funny enough, I think the British are the same, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
they're always the same. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:58 | |
When your backs are to the wall, the crowds were brilliant. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
As we're driving along, it was, "Nobby for Prime Minister," you know. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
"You show 'em," and, "Bugger the panel," and all this type of stuff. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
It was great. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
I totally fell in love with Nobby Stiles. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
And he used to take his teeth out when he played! | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
And he was such a wonderful, wonderful character. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
I think everybody fell in love with him. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Do you have any injury problems after tonight's match? | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Yes, Greaves will have to be stitched | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
on our return to the hotel... | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Alf had confounded his critics at Ipswich by breaking | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
the traditional mould of the English play. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -The two backs are coming up to make extra forwards. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
With England, it developed into, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
uh, the so-called "Wingless Wonders". | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
The first three games he played a natural winger. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
He gave Terry Paine a game, he gave Ian Callaghan a game, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
and he gave John Connelly a game. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
So, it wasn't written in the stars that he was going to play that way | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
and then, of course, Greavsie got injured. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
In fact, Greaves has had two stitches in that wound | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
and it's too early to say | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
whether he will be fit to play on Saturday against Argentina. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
Dad said he was a genius. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
He said he was so far ahead of his time... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
He said when we played against Spain, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
we were going to play this system with the wingers withdrawn. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
He said Spain were a good side, but they won convincingly, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
and Dad said it could have been six or seven. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
And they couldn't understand how they got beat. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
And the next time... | 0:34:23 | 0:34:24 | |
Dad said the next time Alf used that formation was against Argentina. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
He put it away. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
'Football was introduced to Argentina by Thomas Hogg, an Englishman. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
'So the present squad are looking forward to playing in England.' | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
It's tempting to judge the events from half a century ago | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
through modern eyes, but the attitudes of players | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
and the public alike were very different. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
Hm! | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
Especially from countries where the temperaments were... | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
difficult to comprehend. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Oh, even then! | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -It's an incident and a penalty. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
A very brave decision by the referee on this Buenos Aires ground. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
-CROWD ROARS -There's a rebound, Boca scores. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
There's an appeal by the River Plate team, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
but the referee lets it stand, and... | 0:35:12 | 0:35:13 | |
onto the pitch come the photographers. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
The linesman in a little bit of trouble with the spectators. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
More policemen than you can imagine... | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
I wonder whether we shall see scenes like this | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
repeated at Villa Park or Hillsborough? | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
It was a bit more of a man's game in those days than it is now. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
You don't get the weeping and wailing. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Antonio Rattin, one of the greatest players in the world... | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
The tactics used by Argentina in the quarterfinals were to make | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
Nobby's misdemeanours pale in comparison. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
CROWD BOOS | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -And England appealing for a penalty. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
And that's Rattin. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
In and... | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
Could he go off? He might well go off. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
It was the... | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
What we called the snidey things that happened. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
You know, if you were... If an attack broke down | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
and you were running back to your goal...you probably | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
had your Achilles raked or something like that. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
And Rattin's in trouble... He's off! | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
Rattin is sent off. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
That is the second Argentinean sent off in the competition. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
And Rattin, the captain, is sent off. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
And somebody wants them all to go off. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
Juan Carlos Lorenzo, the coach, is... | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
thinking of approaching the touchline... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
And they're all going to go off, I think. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
If Rattin goes, they'll all go. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
One out, the lot out, I think. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
And... | 0:36:43 | 0:36:44 | |
They didn't play well, and they didn't behave well, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
but that's the result of the way that the referee yesterday... | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
There was a reaction against something that was absurd, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
ten minutes after the match started, our captain, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
one of our best players, has been sent off the field. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
In the dustup that followed Rattin's sending-off, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
the Argentines played on and lost. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
Geoff came in after three games, when Jimmy Greaves got injured. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
In fact, we gave them a West Ham goal, because I knew exactly where | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
Geoff would be when I crossed it and Geoff came across and headed it in. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
And there's a goal! | 0:37:23 | 0:37:24 | |
By number 10, Hurst from Peters. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
There's an appeal by the Argentinians. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
Even Banks is up congratulating Geoff Hurst. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
And the whistle has gone, England have won it. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
England are in the semifinal of the World Cup. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
There is the goal scorer, Geoff Hurst. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
It's the only time I saw him get really annoyed...was when... | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
After we beat Argentina, you know, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
people were talking about changing shirts and he was... | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
"We're not having that," you know. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
I'm not going to tell you what he said, but he said, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
"You're not changing your shirt with this so-and-so," and, of course... | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
I'm trying to get it back, Rodriguez is trying to get it that way, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
and I ended up with a shirt with an arm about four-feet long, you know. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
A chair came through the glass panel window, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
they wanted to fight us in the tunnel, and all he said to us was, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
"Look, I've had a word with the officials," this does not | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
go out of this room. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:22 | |
He says, "All you lads have got to remember is | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
"they are on the plane home tomorrow, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
"you're in the semifinal of the World Cup." | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
He says, "Just leave it." | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
We are afraid of no-one, no matter where we play... | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
We have still to produce our best, and this best is not possible | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
until we meet the right type of opposition, and that is the team | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
that comes out to play football and not act as animals. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:50 | |
Very strong words in that interview, with Alf Ramsey there, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
about the Argentine team players, calling them animals. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
Well... I believe that Mr Ramsey didn't behave properly. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
So unusual for Alf Ramsey to come out with this, I think | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
this is the exceptional thing. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Alf, you know, doesn't commit himself to these types of outbursts. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
I'm not asking to punish him, but judge him, at least. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
The statement issued tonight | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
says that in the opinion of the committee, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
such remarks do not foster goodwill | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
and international relations in football. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
The committee desire the Football Association to take | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
appropriate disciplinary measures. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
For Alf to have to apologise to any foreigner would be... | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
It would be difficult, he was totally... | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I think he went to bed with a Union Jack around him. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
That's how English he was. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
MUSIC: World Cup Willy by Lonnie Donegan | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
My main task is to get them together as a team, and probably | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
the most important thing - that they are playing for England. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
The '60s were very, very special. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
I mean, it was like the happening era. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
If I were to go back, I would probably plop back there | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
and relive the experience because it was so exciting. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
The Beatles and the music scene, and then there was the pill and tights! | 0:40:12 | 0:40:19 | |
It was a really fun time to be young, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
and, I mean, it was the miniskirt and the crepe boots | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
and Vidal Sassoon came out with the geometric haircut. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
I was doing Ready Steady Go! and all that, and things like that, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
Thank Your Lucky Stars, and we were all having a great time. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
And Bobby got me tickets for every game. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
They started to do features on the players and their wives | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
and their children, their families, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
and the game of football had become so glamorous. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
And the other thing, of course, which put it on the front pages, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
was not the football, or Alf Ramsey's team selection. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
It was the fact that the trophy had been stolen from | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
Westminster Central Hall in an exhibition | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
and, "Well, we've lost the World Cup already, we're not even in it yet." | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Well, of course, it was found, as everybody knows, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
in the undergrowth in south-east London by a dog called Pickles, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
who has remained famous ever since. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
It was hilarious. An absolute gem of story, isn't it, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
that they should find it in the back yard of somewhere | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
and the dog brings it back? | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
The country hadn't gone wild before the World Cup very much, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
nobody knew quite what to expect, we'd never had one before. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
I don't remember there being that many flags out | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
until England started to do well. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
People thought, "Oh, the first game, England opening the World Cup." | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
You could walk up to Wembley and buy a ticket on the night. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
It wasn't even a sell-out. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
So that's how long it took | 0:41:44 | 0:41:45 | |
for the World Cup to grip people's imagination. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
But when it did, it did. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
Helped by a massive TV and press campaign, the visiting teams | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
and their poster boys found themselves at the centre | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
of a phenomenon taking hold of the viewing public | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
right across the world. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
Everybody wants to speak to Pele, photographers crowd round him, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
journalists crowd round him. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
He is pushed, he's harried, but still he keeps that | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
smile on his face, still he will answer anybody's questions | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
HE SPEAKS PORTUGUESE | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
He's only seen the goals of the Mexico-France game. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
He hasn't seen anything else, he says. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
-LAUGHTER -Thank you very much. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
The Lymm Hotel, which we considered so posh, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
you'd never dream of walking through the gates, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
people were wandering in just to go to the loo, hoping they might... | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
..cop off with a player. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
But it wasn't like now, there weren't Wags, there was | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
none of that. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
It was just that they were famous and it was exciting | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
because it was so real, it brought it to your doorstep. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
People not used to being in the spotlight found their lives, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
habits, even their meals be examined and broadcast. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
Now, he used to be a drummer in a dance band, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
now he's termed to be a masseur. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
Now, Mario, can you speak any English at all? | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
No speaky, more or less... | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
Pele, of course, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:19 | |
had been kicked out of the World Cup by the Portuguese. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
Again fouled... I thought, twice, actually. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
The referee let it go the first time. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
The tackling on Pele was brutal. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
I mean, there would have been red cards all over the place these days. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
The Portuguese got rid of him very quickly. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
Which was one of the worst fouls I've seen in my life. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
I don't even think he got booked, the guy, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
he just crippled him for about eight weeks... | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
This, a really sad sight. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
The world's greatest footballer off the pitch. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
The North Koreans found themselves in the middle of a media storm | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
after first sending Italy home | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
and then going 3-0 up against Portugal. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
He must score, he must score! | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
Well, this is ridiculous... | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
The Portuguese are torn apart. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
And no-one could believe it, Portugal were just on the ropes, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
and Eusebio revived them. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
Eusebio... Number three. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
He scored four, I think, in that game, they won 5-3. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
Now, from then on, people were into it. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
The only people not partying were Alf's band of brothers. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
But at least they were all in it together. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
There was no cliques. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
On the odd night out that we had, which wasn't very often... | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
If you could sneak a couple of hours somewhere, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
it would be anybody. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:42 | |
Everybody got on so well, there was nobody who stood out, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
who thought they were better than anybody else or whatever. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
And I think that's one of the reasons Alf Ramsey picked that... | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
You know, there was no what I call prima donnas. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
We were all together. You touched one of us, you touched us all. | 0:44:54 | 0:45:00 | |
Whoever could escape, did. Whoever went over the wall, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
"Come on, over we go, lads." | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
It's been most helpful being together for so long. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
In the past England matches, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:10 | |
we've only had one or two days to prepare for each game, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
but we've had a fortnight's hard training at Lilleshall, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
where we lived, ate and slept together. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
And we've virtually done the same for the last fortnight here. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
It's helped us to get to know one another much closer. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
Oh, Bobby and Jimmy were... Well, Bobby and all the boys... | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
Bobby and fun were like one and the same thing. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
He and the boys used to get up to some real games. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
I'm not sure if I know them all, but... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
We went to Pinewood Studios for a television interview. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
It was... James Bond was making this movie. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
That's right, Pinewood Studios, yeah... | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
In fact, I've got a nice picture of Bobby, myself, Sean Connery | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
and Yul Brynner. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
Again, it was Alf giving us a little change, you know what I mean? | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
Rather than just...training | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
and, you know, being beaten down and everything. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
Stuck in the hotel when we weren't training. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
He was giving us this little change. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
CHILDREN SHOUT AND CHEER | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
They all knew their jobs, there was the foot soldiers | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
and there was the generals. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
Bobby Charlton understood his responsibility, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
to create and be that great player he is. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Bobby Moore knew his responsibility to captain | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
and lead. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
And my dad and Nobby knew that they had to run around | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
and snort and rat and fight and scrap and occasionally bite, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
as me dad would say about Nobby. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
And if everybody does their role together, then you have success. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
And that's what Alf made them believe. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
You need people round the dressing room who are funny, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
make you laugh... | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
But you also need people who've got their feet on the ground, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
rock-solid, you know what I mean? | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
And you look round to the right, or you look to the left, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
and you think, "Well, if we get in trouble, he's going to die for us." | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
You know what I mean? You need those as well. And I think Alf did that. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
They weren't the only team taking time to bond. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
But really, the boys' opponents in the semifinal | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
boiled down to one man and one style. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
Well, I don't think Portugal really know any other way to play | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
than attacking-wise, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
with players in their side such as Eusebio, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
who everybody's talking about at the moment. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Eusebio! Oh, my word! | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
Have you ever seen anything like that? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
Eusebio, the European Footballer of the Year, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
and tonight has looked the greatest footballer in the world. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
It was very rarely Alf picked a particular man to mark, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
but that day he said, "Take him out." | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
Apparently, me dad said, "Do you mean literally?" | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
To which the reply was, "No, no, just take him out of the game." | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
What exact orders did you give Nobby Stiles about dealing with Eusebio? | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
Dealing with him? This is a bad word. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
You know, I have to watch the words that I use. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
On television and also to the press. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
Dealing with him - Nobby Stiles was instructed to play his normal game. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
About ten minutes in, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
Nobby's hit Eusebio with another absolutely crunching tackle. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
And the little Portuguese players come running over and pushed Nobby | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
and said, "Stiles, you kick Eusebio one more time, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
"we kick your teeth in." | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
And Nobby said, "You'll have a job, pal. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
"They're in a hanky in the dressing room." | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
Yeah, he broke his heart, really, I think. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
The Portuguese players have been reported as saying after, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
they were disappointed, because Eusebio... | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
he got disenchanted, he just couldn't get the better of my dad. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
He wouldn't give up, Dad, would he? One thing he'd never do is give up. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
Keep going and going and going. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
Nobby Stiles is a great player. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
And I'm proud that he is an Englishman, and I'm proud | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
that he was in the England team. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:43 | |
The trouble with having stars is that they have to shine. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
Alf didn't really believe in stardom. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
He believed in teamwork. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
And England's second goal in their 2-1 semifinal win | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
would prove to be fateful for one of their best players | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
and a new boy who didn't need to shine. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
Just to have a hand in the victory would be enough. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
Yes, I had more of a hand. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
I made it for him. What do you mean, I had a hand in it? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
I... Yes... | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
I wasn't sure whether to shoot or not, and I saw Bobby coming in, | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
and I just rolled it nicely in his path and he did the rest. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
That could be the goal that puts England in the final. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
England are in the final of the World Cup. It is all over. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
A great victory by England. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
Against magnificent opponents. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
So, no final for Eusebio, the tournament's top scorer. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:49 | |
To have tried and failed to have reached the pinnacle | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
must have been, well, crushing enough, but... | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
to be denied the opportunity... | 0:49:58 | 0:50:03 | |
What must that have felt like? | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
Jim, things not quite going right for you up to now. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
No... Well... You know... It's not for the want of trying. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
Or preparation. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:14 | |
It's just that the ball doesn't seem to be running right at the moment. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
But then, I think, looking at the World Cup, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
this is happening to a lot of players. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
-Were you at Wembley on Saturday night? -Yes. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
Did you hear any comments about Jimmy among the crowd? | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
Well, they always have a go at Jimmy if doesn't score. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
You know, if he scores, they don't say anything. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
Jimmy Greaves, to me, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
was the best goal scorer that I have ever played against. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
He was a tremendous player. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
I can't tell you what a good player Jimmy Greaves was. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Hurst... And a beautiful goal by Greaves. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
And probably the best finisher, I think, I have ever seen, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
I would say. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
There's a certain arrogance that is very hard to avoid | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
if you are the best. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
I mean, it doesn't make you an easy man to manage. I mean, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
no-one could dislike Jimmy, no, he was too nice a guy, but... | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
to Alf, he could be annoying. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
Jimmy was... He didn't really want to train hard. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:28 | |
Because he didn't think he had to. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
He would jog round and he was... He was a comedian, he was funny. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
But he was a lovely man. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
But he had to learn to live with Alf, it wasn't easy. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
But there was a sort of armed neutrality between those two. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
They understood each other. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
And it may be that they were trying it, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
and Alf would push it a bit, Jimmy would push it a bit... | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
Really, I don't think Jimmy's got a bad word to say about Alf. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:59 | |
If he has, he's kept it to himself all these years. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
Unfortunately, I don't know if Jimmy was fit. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
I would rather like to think that he wasn't fit, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
because Jimmy was a great goal scorer, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
he was a fantastic goal scorer. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
But, unfortunately, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
I don't think he'd scored in the first three games he'd played. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
I knew I wasn't playing, cos... | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
Harold Shepherdson, who I got on quite well with, sort of tipped me | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
the wink, he didn't say I wasn't, but he more or less, you know... | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
Er... | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
He found a blend of two players. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
Which was Roger Hunt and Geoff Hurst. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
A different type of player, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
it wouldn't work with Jimmy, and Jimmy was the best goal scorer, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
without a shadow of a doubt. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
Jimmy was the best goal scorer - he was so unlucky. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Poor old Jimmy, who was such a fantastic player, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
but tactically, Alf Ramsey thought | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
we would be stronger if Geoff Hurst was brought into the team | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
and he was going to be the target man. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
Alf made a big step. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
It turned to be an even bigger one than maybe he thought. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
You didn't go to Alf and say, "What about Jimmy Greaves? | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
"He's the best player." You don't say anything. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
You just stand there, and Alf used to come in and say, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
"This is the team that will play." | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
Poor Jimmy couldn't get back into the side. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
And as I said, I couldn't... | 0:53:42 | 0:53:43 | |
I haven't, to this day, mentioned it to him, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
because I can't bring myself to do it. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:47 | |
No-one's ever talked about it. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
Nobody has. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
What can you say? | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
It's what you feel. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
It's what you feel for each other, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
and I don't know what other players felt. I know what I felt. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
But, I mean, you can't turn round | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
and justify the...decision | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
of not being picked to play by saying, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
"Oh, well, never mind. Bad luck!" | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
It's not on! Not for a World Cup final. So you live through it. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
And, you know, they talk about Geoff, and, of course, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:27 | |
it was Geoff that came in, and he seized the day, you know? | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
-That was it, really. -I know his record. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
I mean, 160 games for Chelsea, 130 goals in four years, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
16 to 20 years of age. 57 games for England, 44 goals. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
Three in four at Tottenham. And you use the word "genius" occasionally. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
He was a genius at the art of scoring goals. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
And so it was a big decision for Alf to stay with this kid | 0:54:47 | 0:54:52 | |
that's only played five or six games now against the great Jimmy Greaves. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
In terms of the sympathy, I don't think there was any, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
certainly not from me. It's part and parcel of the game. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
I think I was just ready to take my chance. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
Your chance will come and you've got to take it. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
-ALL: -# ..so gerne anschauen... # | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
"Sympathy" was not a word much spoken in any language | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
during the days leading up to the final, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
certainly not by the Germans, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
who thought little of Alf's team-building approach to the game. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
Obviously, you do not believe in having your team together | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
for a very long time for training sessions, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
as some of the other countries may do. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
Because if we are too long time together, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
it's possible that the players can't see themselves. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
-You feel they may get stale. -Yes. Yes. -Yes. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
Well, he had a point. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
The boys had been together for almost two months without a break. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
The relentlessness was beginning to take its toll. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
It's not like a normal getting to the cup final, for instance. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
I mean, a cup final, you've got three weeks to live it. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
In this game, it's a case of you get over one and you're into the next. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
Very nice. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
-What did your mum have to say about it all? -Delighted. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
-Everybody's delighted. As I say, it's tiring. -Yeah. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
It's been tiring since Tuesday. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
I'll be glad when it's tomorrow and it's all over. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Here in the studio are three people with very special interest | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
in England winning, three of the wives of the English players, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
Mrs Peters, George Cohen's wife, here next to me, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
and Mrs Jimmy Greaves. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
Jimmy, of course, has been away from home for quite a long time. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
Seven weeks. Four days in seven weeks I've seen him. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
-You've only seen him four times in seven weeks? -Yes. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
How's this going down with the children? | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
'Alf, I think, was understanding, but he just felt | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
'we were two separate worlds and we should be kept apart.' | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
Football was their job, they were paid to do their job, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
they should do their job, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:44 | |
and wives and girlfriends should stay at home. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
And most of us - I think, in fact, all of us - | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
actually were in agreement. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
I don't think any of us ever sort of rebelled or said | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
that it wasn't right, and I don't think we gave the boys a hard time. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
One of the problems for wives is they watch matches, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
and the spectators around them don't know that they're the wives. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
-No, they don't! -What's it like? What kind of comments do you pick up? | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
-All sorts, really. -What kind of things do you pick up? | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
Well, I don't think that I should say, really! | 0:57:09 | 0:57:15 | |
'The era was different.' | 0:57:15 | 0:57:16 | |
There was no pill, to start off with, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
so everybody was terrified of getting pregnant or whatever. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
There were lots and lots of early marriages. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
There wasn't the glamour before 1966 that is around the football now. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:30 | |
I mean, it didn't attract big money, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:31 | |
so therefore it didn't attract all the dollybirds. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
People just never bothered you. We'd go and stay at Hendon Hall, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
and if there were more than two or three kids outside | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
looking for autographs, even during the World Cup... | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
It only seemed the last day that the locals, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
cos they knew we stayed there, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
and I think they got accustomed to us... | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
Well, I think when we set off, there only seemed a handful of them, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
perhaps waving a little flag, waving us off. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:56 | |
And if you could imagine that two of the lads who were playing | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
in the match in the afternoon could go down into Golders Green | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
and buy a pair of shoes and actually go on the bus and do it... | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
I mean, you just couldn't imagine that today. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
We knew we were going to see the family again after the match. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
We said, "Come on, we'll have to get some proper clothes to wear," | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
you know? And we went down... | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
We went down the main street out near Hendon, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
and we walked down, | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
and not a lot of people knew us at all. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
We used to go to the cinema before the games, and Alf Ramsey, | 0:58:29 | 0:58:35 | |
like I say, what he used to do, he'd sidle alongside you... | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
"You're playing tomorrow." | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
And he said, "Good luck." | 0:58:43 | 0:58:44 | |
And that was it. And he went away. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:48 | |
And I thought, "Ohhh!" I couldn't tell anybody! | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
This was before we went in the pictures, so, really, | 0:58:51 | 0:58:55 | |
I don't remember what the picture was. | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
All I could think of - "I'm picked in the team." | 0:58:58 | 0:59:01 | |
The night before, we went to see | 0:59:01 | 0:59:03 | |
Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines, and | 0:59:03 | 0:59:05 | |
I left my favourite cardigan inside. I forgot about it, you know? | 0:59:05 | 0:59:08 | |
So I was a bit worried about that, you know, omens and whatever. | 0:59:08 | 0:59:11 | |
And the Saturday morning, I got up and went to mass early, | 0:59:11 | 0:59:14 | |
-at seven o'clock. -I said, "Nobby, where are you going?" | 0:59:14 | 0:59:16 | |
So he came back and came up to me, about that far away, | 0:59:16 | 0:59:20 | |
because he's blind...! I don't know what he was doing! | 0:59:20 | 0:59:24 | |
So I said, "Where are you going?" | 0:59:24 | 0:59:25 | |
So he said, "Oh, George, I'm going to try | 0:59:25 | 0:59:28 | |
"and find a Catholic church to pray and confess." | 0:59:28 | 0:59:32 | |
And I said, "A Catholic church to pray and confess? Where?" | 0:59:32 | 0:59:36 | |
He said, "Golders Green." | 0:59:36 | 0:59:39 | |
Now, Golders Green has got more synagogues than the state of Israel. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:43 | |
And he came back about an hour later | 0:59:43 | 0:59:46 | |
complaining about this church didn't give change. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:49 | |
I think he put at least a tenner, you know, trying to | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
bribe Him Upstairs to make sure that it worked out all right, you know? | 0:59:52 | 0:59:57 | |
The actual World Cup day was, like, unbelievable. | 1:00:00 | 1:00:04 | |
For my dad and my uncles to go to the pub was very exciting. | 1:00:05 | 1:00:10 | |
You knew it must be a terribly special occasion. | 1:00:11 | 1:00:15 | |
I remember thinking I wish I could have gone with them! | 1:00:15 | 1:00:18 | |
I always wanted to be with them. | 1:00:18 | 1:00:20 | |
Well, I can assure you, on my route from Coventry to London, | 1:00:20 | 1:00:25 | |
the M1 was empty. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:26 | |
You wouldn't have seen anybody out mowing the lawn. | 1:00:26 | 1:00:29 | |
Everybody was glued to it. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:30 | |
I was walking up Wembley Way, as they called it then, | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
up to the ground, to the Twin Towers, | 1:00:35 | 1:00:37 | |
and on one side was this band of ageing buskers, | 1:00:37 | 1:00:41 | |
and they were playing There'll Always Be An England. | 1:00:41 | 1:00:44 | |
CHANTING | 1:00:44 | 1:00:46 | |
How much money are you going to make on this cup final, do you think? | 1:00:47 | 1:00:50 | |
Well, at the moment I'm charging about £20 for a £3 15s seat. | 1:00:50 | 1:00:56 | |
Possibly... Somebody's told me | 1:00:56 | 1:00:58 | |
that there's thousands of Germans coming over here without tickets. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:01 | |
It's all a question of supply and demand, | 1:01:01 | 1:01:03 | |
and outside the ground they'll be fetching £30, £40. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:06 | |
But one of the things that impressed me | 1:01:08 | 1:01:10 | |
was the amount of Germans. | 1:01:10 | 1:01:12 | |
We all intermingled, and it was a wonderful, wonderful atmosphere. | 1:01:12 | 1:01:16 | |
There was just noise all the time. | 1:01:16 | 1:01:19 | |
-HE IMITATES CROWD NOISE -That's all you could hear. | 1:01:19 | 1:01:21 | |
Time for last-minute tactics and last-minute nerves. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:27 | |
The tension in the players I wouldn't have thought | 1:01:27 | 1:01:32 | |
has been relieved at all. | 1:01:32 | 1:01:34 | |
This is the one thing that I failed to overcome. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:37 | |
I failed to overcome it in myself, | 1:01:37 | 1:01:39 | |
so how could you overcome it in the players? | 1:01:39 | 1:01:43 | |
What was bothering Alf more than anything | 1:01:43 | 1:01:45 | |
was Germany's young wunderkind... | 1:01:45 | 1:01:48 | |
Inside to Beckenbauer. Seeler... | 1:01:48 | 1:01:49 | |
And this is the third one! | 1:01:49 | 1:01:51 | |
Oh, what a goal! | 1:01:51 | 1:01:53 | |
And what do you think about Beckenbauer, for instance? | 1:01:53 | 1:01:56 | |
I think he's a good player when he's allowed to run with the ball. | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
..so much so that he decided | 1:01:59 | 1:02:01 | |
to sacrifice his star player to try and stop him. | 1:02:01 | 1:02:05 | |
'He says, "I want you to mark Franz Beckenbauer, and don't let him | 1:02:05 | 1:02:09 | |
'"out of your sight."' | 1:02:09 | 1:02:10 | |
And that was it, really. And I thought, "Well, that's it. | 1:02:10 | 1:02:15 | |
"I've waited all my whole life to play in a World Cup final | 1:02:15 | 1:02:18 | |
"and I'm asked to man-mark, which I've never done before." | 1:02:18 | 1:02:23 | |
Unfortunately for Bobby, | 1:02:25 | 1:02:27 | |
the Germans had come to exactly the same conclusion. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:32 | |
I was ordered by our team manager, | 1:02:32 | 1:02:33 | |
Helmut Schoen, to follow Bobby Charlton, | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
because Bobby Charlton, he was the engine of the England game. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:41 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Bobby Charlton... | 1:02:41 | 1:02:43 | |
When the whistle went, Franz Beckenbauer came straight to me. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:47 | |
He came straight to me and stood next to me. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:50 | |
He'd been given the same instruction from his own manager. | 1:02:50 | 1:02:53 | |
So between the two of us, | 1:02:53 | 1:02:55 | |
we didn't really participate much in the final. We didn't. | 1:02:55 | 1:02:59 | |
CROWD CHANTS | 1:02:59 | 1:03:00 | |
So, after all they'd worked for and given up, | 1:03:02 | 1:03:05 | |
here they were in the spotlight. England expected. | 1:03:05 | 1:03:09 | |
But, more importantly, Alf expected. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
Time to compose themselves in the sanctuary of the dressing room. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
The place was a-buzz, you know, with photographers, camera crews, | 1:03:20 | 1:03:25 | |
journalists, throughout the dressing room. | 1:03:25 | 1:03:27 | |
And, you know, it was just, you know, a big, buzzing mob. | 1:03:27 | 1:03:30 | |
The dressing room was absolutely solid. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
But it was more the players that weren't playing coming in | 1:03:32 | 1:03:37 | |
-to wish us good luck. -This is a World Cup final. You know? | 1:03:37 | 1:03:41 | |
And the dressing room was tense, and even up till that point, | 1:03:41 | 1:03:47 | |
although we weren't in kit or anything else, | 1:03:47 | 1:03:50 | |
we still felt part of what was going on that day. | 1:03:50 | 1:03:54 | |
I can remember saying to Jackie Charlton, | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
who was stripping next to me, | 1:03:59 | 1:04:00 | |
"I can't believe this, Jack, | 1:04:00 | 1:04:02 | |
"because, you know, it's probably the most | 1:04:02 | 1:04:04 | |
"important game we're ever going to play in, and the place is chaotic. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:08 | |
"It's so different to your normal circumstances." | 1:04:08 | 1:04:10 | |
So he said, "Yeah, but you've got to realise, it's the World Cup final." | 1:04:10 | 1:04:14 | |
I remember Nobby said to me, "If we win the World Cup," | 1:04:14 | 1:04:18 | |
he said, "can you get this to me?" | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
And he gave me a bunch of tissues. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:23 | |
And they were his front teeth. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
But when the team were led out by Bobby, that roar as they came | 1:04:26 | 1:04:29 | |
out that tunnel and into the light, it was, like, mind-blowing. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
CROWD CHANTS | 1:04:33 | 1:04:35 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -It's Bobby Moore, England. Cohen, Ball, Banks... | 1:04:40 | 1:04:45 | |
And here we were, on that day, to walk up that tunnel, | 1:04:45 | 1:04:47 | |
believe me, my goodness me, | 1:04:47 | 1:04:50 | |
the old heart was pumping and the nervous system was going! | 1:04:50 | 1:04:54 | |
Everything was going! | 1:04:54 | 1:04:55 | |
And the game itself was like a cliff-hanger, wasn't it? | 1:05:08 | 1:05:12 | |
The Germans scored, and they've scored, and this and that. | 1:05:12 | 1:05:15 | |
I shouted, "Leave it! Leave it, Ray!" | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
because it was going out for a goal kick. | 1:05:29 | 1:05:31 | |
And Ray - I don't know why - he headed it, | 1:05:31 | 1:05:34 | |
and it dropped straight for Haller. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:36 | |
To Haller... A goal! | 1:05:36 | 1:05:39 | |
West Germany have scored. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:41 | |
We didn't rollick him or anything of that nature. | 1:05:41 | 1:05:43 | |
That was the atmosphere within that team. We lifted him. | 1:05:43 | 1:05:47 | |
"Come on, come on, Ray," to make him play as we know he could play. | 1:05:47 | 1:05:51 | |
In it goes... | 1:05:54 | 1:05:56 | |
Oh, that tremendous, stupid, knees-up jump in the air | 1:06:02 | 1:06:05 | |
was something that was an expression of, you know, "I'm here." | 1:06:05 | 1:06:09 | |
Now it's England with an offensive that must have | 1:06:11 | 1:06:13 | |
warmed Alf Ramsey's heart. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:15 | |
And it's a goal by Peters! | 1:06:19 | 1:06:22 | |
I've got a fantastic photo of me jumping quite high. Geoff's going... | 1:06:26 | 1:06:31 | |
..like that. | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
And it's a free kick to West Germany. | 1:06:37 | 1:06:40 | |
One minute to go. Just 60 seconds. | 1:06:40 | 1:06:42 | |
Alf said to us, | 1:06:42 | 1:06:45 | |
"Wherever you are, we want you down on the pitch at the final whistle." | 1:06:45 | 1:06:49 | |
We weren't on the sideline. We were up in the stands. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:52 | |
There was no substitutes, you see, for the World Cup final in '66. | 1:06:52 | 1:06:57 | |
I'd looked up in the stand and I'd seen people making their way out, | 1:06:57 | 1:07:02 | |
going out because they thought that was it, it's all over. | 1:07:02 | 1:07:06 | |
And I knew then it was close to the end of the match. | 1:07:06 | 1:07:09 | |
The bounce of the ball suited him, and it came to him. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:12 | |
It could've gone anywhere, but it came to him. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:15 | |
And he knocked the ball in the back of the net, and I went, | 1:07:15 | 1:07:18 | |
"Bloody hell!" | 1:07:18 | 1:07:19 | |
Weber has scored in the last seconds! | 1:07:19 | 1:07:22 | |
"Bloody hell!" I couldn't believe it. All this time... | 1:07:24 | 1:07:28 | |
My grandma got so overexcited, she threw her china cup | 1:07:28 | 1:07:31 | |
at the telly, which fortunately missed the screen and hit the side! | 1:07:31 | 1:07:36 | |
For them to get the equaliser, bloomin' heck. | 1:07:37 | 1:07:39 | |
I was a bit, you know... | 1:07:39 | 1:07:41 | |
I can always remember it. As I sat down, they equalised. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:44 | |
And we missed it. I did not... | 1:07:44 | 1:07:47 | |
Jimmy and I did not see the Germans equalise. | 1:07:47 | 1:07:50 | |
I've only seen the goal on telly. | 1:07:50 | 1:07:52 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -What a dramatic end! | 1:07:54 | 1:07:57 | |
As they got together, they sat down on the floor. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:02 | |
We're now coming round to Alf, right? | 1:08:02 | 1:08:05 | |
And half of the lads are sitting down on the turf, you see? | 1:08:05 | 1:08:09 | |
And we're just coming... | 1:08:09 | 1:08:10 | |
And as we all now get round Alf, he goes, "'Ey! | 1:08:10 | 1:08:14 | |
"Come on. Stand up. Stand up." | 1:08:14 | 1:08:17 | |
He says, "We don't want them to think we're less fit than they are." | 1:08:17 | 1:08:21 | |
And that was Alf! | 1:08:21 | 1:08:22 | |
I thought it was important that they inferred to all and sundry, | 1:08:24 | 1:08:27 | |
you know, that they were ready for the next half an hour. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
It was important that we established some sort of psychological benefit. | 1:08:30 | 1:08:36 | |
The one guy, to me, that was awesome in extra time, that was Alan Ball. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:42 | |
He was... He ran and ran and ran. | 1:08:42 | 1:08:47 | |
Obviously, I felt ever so tired in games, because I'm a human being. | 1:08:47 | 1:08:51 | |
But in this particular game, I can honestly say I was, you know... | 1:08:51 | 1:08:55 | |
..crying to everybody to give me the ball, because I knew that | 1:08:56 | 1:09:00 | |
I had the beating of this chap and I knew I could cause problems. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:04 | |
Here's Ball, running himself daft. | 1:09:04 | 1:09:06 | |
Now Hurst. Can he do it? | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
What happened next is possibly | 1:09:09 | 1:09:11 | |
the most debated moment in English football history. | 1:09:11 | 1:09:16 | |
Geoff hits the ball, it goes there. | 1:09:16 | 1:09:18 | |
I see the ball when he comes up... | 1:09:19 | 1:09:21 | |
At an angle, up there. I still say it was over the line. | 1:09:23 | 1:09:27 | |
..and I took him over the goal. | 1:09:27 | 1:09:30 | |
Hit the bar, went down, bounced down over the line. | 1:09:30 | 1:09:33 | |
I was fairly close to it. | 1:09:33 | 1:09:35 | |
It was not possible that the ball was behind the line. | 1:09:35 | 1:09:41 | |
-And I went, "Oh, it's over." You know? -I saw it exactly. | 1:09:41 | 1:09:44 | |
The ball never was behind it! | 1:09:44 | 1:09:47 | |
Are you seeing a pattern emerging? | 1:09:47 | 1:09:49 | |
The Swiss referee consulting a Russian linesman. | 1:09:49 | 1:09:52 | |
Neither spoke the language. God knows what they were talking about. | 1:09:52 | 1:09:55 | |
So the whole thing was a bit crazy. | 1:09:55 | 1:09:58 | |
In truth, only one thing mattered... | 1:09:58 | 1:10:01 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -It's a goal! | 1:10:01 | 1:10:02 | |
..and one thought counted. | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
-TRANSLATION: -I was about seven or eight metres | 1:10:06 | 1:10:09 | |
towards the halfway line, | 1:10:09 | 1:10:10 | |
so I saw very clearly that the ball hit the crossbar | 1:10:10 | 1:10:14 | |
and landed beyond the goal line. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:17 | |
As the player that hits the shot at 2-2, you want to believe - | 1:10:17 | 1:10:21 | |
I want to believe more than anything else in my life - | 1:10:21 | 1:10:23 | |
that ball is over the line. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:25 | |
It's all over, I think. No... | 1:10:27 | 1:10:30 | |
15 minutes later, there was another goal... | 1:10:30 | 1:10:34 | |
along with possibly the most recognised line | 1:10:34 | 1:10:37 | |
that any sports commentator has ever uttered. | 1:10:37 | 1:10:40 | |
And here comes Hurst. He's got... | 1:10:41 | 1:10:43 | |
Some people are on the pitch. They think it's all over. | 1:10:43 | 1:10:46 | |
It is now! It's four! | 1:10:46 | 1:10:49 | |
"They think it's all over. It is now!" | 1:10:49 | 1:10:54 | |
I'll always remember, you know, the pass from Bobby Moore, | 1:10:54 | 1:10:58 | |
where Geoff got onto it. | 1:10:58 | 1:10:59 | |
I was yelling and going berserk at the far post, | 1:10:59 | 1:11:02 | |
because my idea as a Geordie is the safest place is in | 1:11:02 | 1:11:05 | |
the far corner or over the top of the stand. | 1:11:05 | 1:11:07 | |
And Bobby took it and he dropped the best pass | 1:11:07 | 1:11:09 | |
of the game in front of Geoff Hurst for the fourth goal. | 1:11:09 | 1:11:11 | |
And then I had a call from one of my team-mates on the right wing. | 1:11:11 | 1:11:14 | |
-IMITATES ALAN BALL: -"Hursty! Hursty! Give me the ball!" | 1:11:14 | 1:11:18 | |
And that call disturbed the German defence. No doubt. No doubt. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:22 | |
But I said to myself, "Sod you, Bally, I'm on a hat trick." | 1:11:22 | 1:11:26 | |
And the little bugger never forgave me for the next 30-odd years, | 1:11:26 | 1:11:29 | |
because I didn't pass to him. | 1:11:29 | 1:11:31 | |
Geoff should still have given it to me, | 1:11:31 | 1:11:32 | |
but his strike on goal was unbelievable. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
It was a typical case of, "Give it to me, give it me! You... | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
"Oh, great goal." You know? | 1:11:37 | 1:11:39 | |
He scores the three goals, gets a knighthood, and Martin Peters, | 1:11:39 | 1:11:43 | |
who thought he had scored the winning goal, just got an MBE. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:47 | |
That's it. England have won the World Cup. | 1:11:47 | 1:11:50 | |
We've won the World Cup. Yeah. | 1:11:50 | 1:11:52 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -It's only 12 inches high, it's solid gold | 1:11:58 | 1:12:02 | |
and it means England are the world champions. | 1:12:02 | 1:12:06 | |
I watched him go up the steps, and I've seen his hand was muddy, | 1:12:12 | 1:12:15 | |
and he's wiped his hand on the balustrade, | 1:12:15 | 1:12:17 | |
cos he was going to shake hands with the Queen and he didn't want | 1:12:17 | 1:12:20 | |
to sully her gloves, and that was so typical Bobby. | 1:12:20 | 1:12:23 | |
I mean, even after all of that, his thoughts were to be | 1:12:23 | 1:12:28 | |
respectful to the Queen, and that was very typical Bobby. | 1:12:28 | 1:12:32 | |
# On days like these when skies are blue | 1:12:32 | 1:12:37 | |
# And fields are green... # | 1:12:37 | 1:12:41 | |
I've got a photograph at home of Nobby, | 1:12:41 | 1:12:45 | |
with the World Cup on his head, | 1:12:45 | 1:12:47 | |
the biggest smile ever, with no teeth in. | 1:12:47 | 1:12:49 | |
And they were in my pocket. So, you know, | 1:12:49 | 1:12:53 | |
that's something you'll treasure for the rest of your life. | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
# And then I hear sweet music | 1:12:56 | 1:13:02 | |
# Float around my head | 1:13:02 | 1:13:07 | |
# As I recall the many things | 1:13:07 | 1:13:12 | |
# We left unsaid | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
# It's on days like these | 1:13:16 | 1:13:21 | |
# That I remember | 1:13:21 | 1:13:26 | |
# Singing songs and drinking wine... # | 1:13:26 | 1:13:29 | |
It was paradise. Just paradise. | 1:13:29 | 1:13:33 | |
You know, everybody was hugging one another and talking about it | 1:13:33 | 1:13:38 | |
and saying what the repercussions would be. | 1:13:38 | 1:13:42 | |
But, uh, it was just sensational. | 1:13:42 | 1:13:45 | |
# Maybe today... # | 1:13:47 | 1:13:50 | |
I remember going on me knees and saying, "Thank God for that." | 1:13:50 | 1:13:54 | |
You know. | 1:13:55 | 1:13:57 | |
He said to me, "What about that, kidder?" | 1:14:00 | 1:14:02 | |
You know, "What about that?" | 1:14:02 | 1:14:04 | |
And I said, "Well, Jackie, our lives are never going to be the same." | 1:14:04 | 1:14:08 | |
It still didn't seem as important | 1:14:13 | 1:14:17 | |
missing out then as it does now. | 1:14:17 | 1:14:21 | |
And I think that's because people have made it important. | 1:14:22 | 1:14:26 | |
It's never really... | 1:14:26 | 1:14:28 | |
I mean, I've never woken up in the morning, saying, "God, I didn't play | 1:14:28 | 1:14:32 | |
"in the World Cup final," you know, or, "God, I didn't do this," or... | 1:14:32 | 1:14:37 | |
You know, you look back through your life and, yes, | 1:14:37 | 1:14:41 | |
it probably was the...without doubt, | 1:14:41 | 1:14:45 | |
the greatest disappointment I've ever suffered, but it's not | 1:14:45 | 1:14:51 | |
the hardest knock I've ever suffered, not by many a long chalk. | 1:14:51 | 1:14:55 | |
When they won, I was gobsmacked. | 1:14:57 | 1:14:59 | |
I just sat in me seat for about ten minutes. | 1:14:59 | 1:15:02 | |
"It's not true, we haven't won, we can't possibly have won." | 1:15:05 | 1:15:07 | |
I kept singing, "Alf was right, Alf was right." | 1:15:07 | 1:15:10 | |
The whistle goes, they're all jumping up | 1:15:10 | 1:15:12 | |
and Alfie's still sitting there on the bench. | 1:15:12 | 1:15:14 | |
I think he said to one or two of them, | 1:15:14 | 1:15:16 | |
"Sit down, you're drawing attention to yourselves." | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
Well, they won the World Cup! | 1:15:18 | 1:15:19 | |
They're entitled to a bit of a dance. Imagine now! | 1:15:19 | 1:15:22 | |
He never showed any sort of emotion or anything, Alf, you know. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:26 | |
And Bobby Moore went, "Alf, come on, here," and he went, "No. No. No." | 1:15:26 | 1:15:33 | |
He says, "Off you go." He says, "You take it round." | 1:15:33 | 1:15:37 | |
He wanted us to have all the glory. That's the type of guy he was. | 1:15:37 | 1:15:42 | |
Absolutely fantastic. | 1:15:42 | 1:15:44 | |
I remember Bobby Moore coming back into the dressing room after | 1:15:45 | 1:15:48 | |
being called out after the game and saying, | 1:15:48 | 1:15:50 | |
"Chaps, the FA are going to give us £22,000." | 1:15:50 | 1:15:56 | |
A big intake of breath. He said, "Between us." | 1:15:57 | 1:16:00 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:16:00 | 1:16:03 | |
"And this'll be split pro rata to the number of games you played," | 1:16:03 | 1:16:06 | |
so therefore Bobby Moore, played every game, | 1:16:06 | 1:16:08 | |
would receive a lot more money than Norman Hunter, | 1:16:08 | 1:16:10 | |
his substitute from Leeds who didn't kick a ball all tournament. | 1:16:10 | 1:16:13 | |
And Bobby Moore stepped in and said, "That's not going to happen." | 1:16:13 | 1:16:16 | |
He said, "We share between the 22." | 1:16:16 | 1:16:19 | |
£1,000, I would've settled for nothing, as long as we'd have won | 1:16:19 | 1:16:24 | |
the World Cup, so it was very good of the lads to share it between us. | 1:16:24 | 1:16:28 | |
But compared to the Germans, who I understand got five or six times | 1:16:28 | 1:16:32 | |
more than that, for losing, it wasn't a great deal of money. | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
The German team certainly was feted for what they had achieved, | 1:16:36 | 1:16:40 | |
as were the English by their fans on the way to the celebration dinner. | 1:16:40 | 1:16:45 | |
But the comparison with their previous encounters was inevitable. | 1:16:45 | 1:16:53 | |
When we won the war, the Second World War, | 1:16:53 | 1:16:55 | |
and they were dancing in the fountain in Trafalgar Square... | 1:16:55 | 1:16:58 | |
They were dancing in the fountain when we won the World Cup! | 1:16:58 | 1:17:01 | |
And everybody waving. | 1:17:01 | 1:17:03 | |
We were driving back to Liverpool and everybody was going, "Yeah!" | 1:17:03 | 1:17:08 | |
And I was... This whole feeling of pride. | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
The best and biggest occasion since VE Day. | 1:17:11 | 1:17:15 | |
It was that sort of atmosphere. We had won. | 1:17:15 | 1:17:18 | |
Everybody was so proud. We'd won the World Cup and it was just... | 1:17:18 | 1:17:23 | |
I think it suddenly dawned on you that that was... | 1:17:23 | 1:17:26 | |
"Wow, that's quite an achievement." | 1:17:26 | 1:17:28 | |
All four semifinal teams were invited to the meal, | 1:17:28 | 1:17:33 | |
but when they sat down to eat, they realised that something was missing. | 1:17:33 | 1:17:38 | |
500, 600 people in the Royal Garden | 1:17:38 | 1:17:40 | |
and our wives were not invited to the banquet. Astonishing. | 1:17:40 | 1:17:45 | |
They were in a little anteroom away from... | 1:17:45 | 1:17:48 | |
So that still gets mentioned from time to time. | 1:17:48 | 1:17:50 | |
God, no, we weren't allowed anywhere. | 1:17:52 | 1:17:54 | |
We were just herded back to the Royal Garden, where we all sort of | 1:17:54 | 1:17:59 | |
got ourselves tarted up, ready for the night's events, | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
and then put into a room on our own. Oh, no, | 1:18:02 | 1:18:05 | |
we weren't included in any of the aftermath of the World Cup final. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:11 | |
We were totally and utterly separated. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:12 | |
A lot of the girls were very upset about that. | 1:18:12 | 1:18:14 | |
They couldn't get in for all these parliamentarians | 1:18:16 | 1:18:18 | |
and FA councillors and Football League people and, you know... | 1:18:18 | 1:18:24 | |
You can imagine what it'd be like if you had a ticket for that. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:26 | |
Actually, I don't know if you can hear the crowd outside? | 1:18:28 | 1:18:31 | |
-Can you hear that shouting? -Fabulous. -"We want Nobby." | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
John Connelly, he tells a lovely story | 1:18:36 | 1:18:39 | |
that he went up to see his wife, and she's opened the door, | 1:18:39 | 1:18:43 | |
he's knocked on the door, and he said, "We've got half an hour." | 1:18:43 | 1:18:46 | |
He said, "Any chance?" And she went, "Absolutely not." | 1:18:46 | 1:18:49 | |
She said, "I've spent hours doing my hair. | 1:18:49 | 1:18:51 | |
"I'm not going to mess that up." And she said, | 1:18:51 | 1:18:53 | |
"You've waited eight weeks, you can wait another night or so." | 1:18:53 | 1:18:56 | |
So it was a funny story, | 1:18:56 | 1:18:58 | |
but I don't remember Bobby propositioning me, but anyway! | 1:18:58 | 1:19:02 | |
We eventually met up with them on the rooftop. | 1:19:02 | 1:19:04 | |
And he had hold of the Jules Rimet cup, which he was kissing. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:11 | |
I mean, I got a kiss, | 1:19:11 | 1:19:12 | |
but I think the cup got kissed more passionately than me. | 1:19:12 | 1:19:15 | |
So many people. I mean, they were screaming and they were right down | 1:19:17 | 1:19:20 | |
the ramps, and when the boys came out, they exploded. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:25 | |
Gordon Banks. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:27 | |
It was like sort of royalty coming out there. | 1:19:27 | 1:19:30 | |
They were royalty that day. | 1:19:30 | 1:19:33 | |
Bob said, "Well, you know, we're going to the..." | 1:19:33 | 1:19:35 | |
There were about three or four of us, with wives. | 1:19:35 | 1:19:38 | |
He said he'd been invited to this Playboy Club | 1:19:38 | 1:19:41 | |
on Mayfair, I think it was, and we went there. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:44 | |
Burt Bacharach was there. He was like a kid, meeting Bobby. | 1:19:46 | 1:19:49 | |
"When I get home and tell my friends I was out with you the night | 1:19:49 | 1:19:52 | |
"you won the World Cup, it's going to be fantastic." | 1:19:52 | 1:19:55 | |
He was like a little boy. | 1:19:55 | 1:19:57 | |
It was a lovely night and, of course, the bunnies were all over him. | 1:19:57 | 1:20:01 | |
But it was a night for sharing Bobby. That night, I didn't mind. | 1:20:01 | 1:20:04 | |
I remember going out in the East End. | 1:20:04 | 1:20:07 | |
We was in the Blind Beggar's in Whitechapel or somewhere, | 1:20:07 | 1:20:10 | |
you know, having a great party. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:13 | |
I mean, it was parties everywhere that night. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:15 | |
You know, in the pubs, outside the pubs, people were enjoying it. | 1:20:15 | 1:20:18 | |
It was a great night. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:19 | |
No aggravation, just people having good fun. | 1:20:19 | 1:20:22 | |
The team soon began to fragment. | 1:20:23 | 1:20:26 | |
Many achieved instant celebrity | 1:20:27 | 1:20:29 | |
and went on either to benefit or...suffer from it. | 1:20:29 | 1:20:34 | |
I don't know what to say, really, because... It was... | 1:20:37 | 1:20:41 | |
We didn't know what was going to happen. | 1:20:41 | 1:20:44 | |
We'd never won the World Cup. | 1:20:44 | 1:20:47 | |
We never knew the responsibilities that it took. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:50 | |
We knew, though, that we'd done something that will never, | 1:20:50 | 1:20:53 | |
ever happen again, here... | 1:20:53 | 1:20:55 | |
in our lives. | 1:20:55 | 1:20:57 | |
How did you enjoy watching the boy, there, in action? | 1:20:57 | 1:20:59 | |
Oh, it was great, but, you know... | 1:20:59 | 1:21:02 | |
For some, it took time to adjust to their new-found status. | 1:21:02 | 1:21:07 | |
Much to people's surprise, and, in fact, people still can't believe | 1:21:07 | 1:21:10 | |
today that I went home and cut the grass and cleaned the car, | 1:21:10 | 1:21:14 | |
but they're the things you did. | 1:21:14 | 1:21:16 | |
They're the things you did. | 1:21:16 | 1:21:18 | |
Jack Charlton woke up in somebody else's garden, I remember. | 1:21:18 | 1:21:21 | |
A woman popped her head over the fence and she said, | 1:21:21 | 1:21:24 | |
"Why, it's Jackie Charlton, what are you doing here, pet?" | 1:21:24 | 1:21:27 | |
So he said, he went, "Oh, Mrs Moorson," | 1:21:27 | 1:21:31 | |
he said, "I'm with some of Jimmy's friends," he said. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:35 | |
So that was that. Honest, she was from Ashington. | 1:21:35 | 1:21:38 | |
She'd been in Jack's brother's house, like, the week before. | 1:21:38 | 1:21:41 | |
Nobby and me dad, driving back after the World Cup, | 1:21:41 | 1:21:43 | |
stopped at the services on the M6 and had egg and chips. | 1:21:43 | 1:21:47 | |
And no-one bothered 'em. No-one asked for an autograph. | 1:21:47 | 1:21:50 | |
Left them alone. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:51 | |
Others tried to forget it. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:54 | |
I went away, I went on holiday that night. | 1:21:54 | 1:21:57 | |
Because I thought, "I'll get out of the way." | 1:21:58 | 1:22:01 | |
That was it, I just wanted to get out of the way. | 1:22:01 | 1:22:04 | |
And a couple had their achievement put into perspective. | 1:22:05 | 1:22:08 | |
I had two days at home and then I reported back for training, | 1:22:08 | 1:22:13 | |
to Liverpool. | 1:22:13 | 1:22:14 | |
And Bill Shankly's walking down the corridor | 1:22:14 | 1:22:16 | |
and he's the first bloke I saw. | 1:22:16 | 1:22:19 | |
"Oh, congratulations, Roger. | 1:22:19 | 1:22:21 | |
"Congratulations on winning the World Cup," he said. | 1:22:21 | 1:22:23 | |
And then, just as I'm just going, he says, "Go and get training. | 1:22:23 | 1:22:27 | |
"We've got more important things to do this season." | 1:22:27 | 1:22:29 | |
And you think to yourself, | 1:22:31 | 1:22:32 | |
"What's more important than winning the World Cup?" | 1:22:32 | 1:22:34 | |
But that was the way Bill Shankly was as well. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:37 | |
"There are more important things this season." | 1:22:37 | 1:22:40 | |
-Than winning the World Cup! -HE CHUCKLES | 1:22:40 | 1:22:42 | |
Yeah, great(!) | 1:22:42 | 1:22:44 | |
Alf had only one thing on his mind. | 1:22:44 | 1:22:47 | |
I think it was on the Sunday or the Monday after the final, | 1:22:47 | 1:22:51 | |
the press went to his home to get some more quotes, | 1:22:51 | 1:22:53 | |
what does he feel a day or two later? | 1:22:53 | 1:22:55 | |
They went and knocked on the door and Alf said, | 1:22:55 | 1:22:57 | |
"Sorry, gentlemen, this is my day off." | 1:22:57 | 1:23:00 | |
Heroes Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst and Martin Peters preceded | 1:23:03 | 1:23:06 | |
their West Ham team-mates onto the Upton Park ground for the fans | 1:23:06 | 1:23:09 | |
to give them the cheers they richly deserve. | 1:23:09 | 1:23:12 | |
The same grit and determination that made the lads World Cup winners | 1:23:12 | 1:23:16 | |
in 1966 would help them cope with life's adversities and triumphs. | 1:23:16 | 1:23:23 | |
However, in later years, | 1:23:24 | 1:23:26 | |
they'd always be known as "a World Cup winner"... | 1:23:26 | 1:23:30 | |
for better...or worse. | 1:23:30 | 1:23:34 | |
We'd be invited to weddings or bar mitzvahs or engagement parties | 1:23:34 | 1:23:37 | |
and when we got there, Bobby would be pulled to one side, | 1:23:37 | 1:23:39 | |
like a prize exhibit and, you know, | 1:23:39 | 1:23:42 | |
the bride or whoever would be photographed with him. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:45 | |
Which was a bit of a pain, but Bobby had a thing, | 1:23:45 | 1:23:47 | |
if anything got too much, he would look at me | 1:23:47 | 1:23:50 | |
and I would make some excuse and we would leave. | 1:23:50 | 1:23:53 | |
So that was the downside but, really, all in all, we had... | 1:23:53 | 1:23:57 | |
We were both, I think, very grounded. | 1:23:57 | 1:24:00 | |
Alf went to the next World Cup, in Mexico, as Sir Alf. | 1:24:00 | 1:24:05 | |
But he and his team would not repeat the heroics of '66. | 1:24:05 | 1:24:10 | |
With very few exceptions, Sir Alf's men were left | 1:24:14 | 1:24:17 | |
to fend for themselves after their football careers. | 1:24:17 | 1:24:21 | |
No fortunes amassed, nor favours given. | 1:24:21 | 1:24:25 | |
By and large, they didn't complain, | 1:24:26 | 1:24:29 | |
but they did ponder the wisdom of ignoring a pool of talent | 1:24:29 | 1:24:33 | |
and experience that might have benefited future generations. | 1:24:33 | 1:24:38 | |
We just had to think about getting a job somewhere, you know. | 1:24:39 | 1:24:43 | |
And what hurt me more than anything, I'm thinking, | 1:24:43 | 1:24:46 | |
"All these guys, with all the experience they've got, | 1:24:46 | 1:24:50 | |
"and they're not asking them to pass it on." | 1:24:50 | 1:24:54 | |
I thought, "This is stupid, this is crazy," you know. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:57 | |
They'd have the joy of doing what they loved, which is | 1:24:57 | 1:25:01 | |
playing football, and then they'd go back to their other life. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:05 | |
-They didn't make enough money to see them through. -What a forward line. | 1:25:05 | 1:25:09 | |
And I think that's what gave them their dignity. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:13 | |
And you can't buy that, can you? | 1:25:13 | 1:25:15 | |
There's no arrogance about them. None of them. | 1:25:17 | 1:25:20 | |
It was a unique time and he was a unique manager... | 1:25:22 | 1:25:26 | |
And it was a unique win. | 1:25:26 | 1:25:28 | |
But if we want to talk about the future, | 1:25:28 | 1:25:30 | |
you've got to know where we came from. | 1:25:30 | 1:25:32 | |
I think we would do well to look at some of the things that Alf Ramsey | 1:25:32 | 1:25:35 | |
did around the psychology, the mental aspect of the game. | 1:25:35 | 1:25:39 | |
-How do you feel about the game? -Fabulous. | 1:25:39 | 1:25:41 | |
-I hope that they're not forgotten. -Any worrying moments? | 1:25:41 | 1:25:44 | |
I thought I was invincible until they scored the first goal | 1:25:44 | 1:25:47 | |
and they proved me wrong. | 1:25:47 | 1:25:48 | |
They certainly won't be in my household. | 1:25:48 | 1:25:50 | |
Many years later, | 1:25:56 | 1:25:57 | |
Alfie's boys played the same German team again. A reunion of friends, | 1:25:57 | 1:26:03 | |
and every year, the boys get together to talk about old times... | 1:26:03 | 1:26:08 | |
wonder about the future and thank Alf. | 1:26:08 | 1:26:13 | |
It was Alf, in my opinion, that made that. | 1:26:13 | 1:26:16 | |
He was the one that got us all together. | 1:26:16 | 1:26:19 | |
I still use him to this day. | 1:26:20 | 1:26:23 | |
"1966, yeah, I did play in it, yeah, with Alf, yes." | 1:26:23 | 1:26:27 | |
To be involved with the World Cup | 1:26:28 | 1:26:30 | |
and to be involved with the World Cup final, I mean, | 1:26:30 | 1:26:34 | |
it's just an experience of a lifetime. | 1:26:34 | 1:26:36 | |
Wish I could do it again. | 1:26:36 | 1:26:37 | |
It'll be there until the next time somebody wins it. | 1:26:39 | 1:26:44 | |
And I keep saying to myself... I've been saying it now for 50 years. | 1:26:44 | 1:26:49 | |
I mean, I suppose we should have a sweepstake now | 1:26:51 | 1:26:54 | |
to see who's going to be the last man standing! | 1:26:54 | 1:26:57 | |
Be an interesting one, that! | 1:26:58 | 1:27:00 | |
Time and tide wait for no man, Jimmy. | 1:27:01 | 1:27:04 | |
Bobby Moore, Alan Ball, Sir Alf himself | 1:27:06 | 1:27:09 | |
and some of the other boys are no longer with us. | 1:27:09 | 1:27:12 | |
But, you know, when all is said and done, they'll always be with us. | 1:27:14 | 1:27:18 | |
As heroes, in our hearts and in our minds. | 1:27:19 | 1:27:22 | |
Working-class heroes in an era when England really needed them. | 1:27:24 | 1:27:29 | |
And now we wait for a new generation of heroes, | 1:27:31 | 1:27:35 | |
heroes with the same spirit as Alfie's boys. | 1:27:35 | 1:27:39 | |
The British bulldog spirit. Come on, England. | 1:27:41 | 1:27:46 | |
# Time it was and what a time it was, it was | 1:27:49 | 1:27:55 | |
# A time of innocence A time of confidences | 1:27:56 | 1:28:03 | |
# Long ago, it must be | 1:28:04 | 1:28:07 | |
# I have a photograph | 1:28:08 | 1:28:11 | |
# Preserve your memories | 1:28:11 | 1:28:15 | |
# They're all that's left you. # | 1:28:15 | 1:28:18 | |
# What's it all about, Alfie? | 1:28:20 | 1:28:25 | |
# Is it just for the moment we live? | 1:28:25 | 1:28:32 | |
# What's it all about when you sort it out, Alfie? | 1:28:32 | 1:28:38 | |
# Are we meant to take more than we give | 1:28:39 | 1:28:45 | |
# Or are we meant to be kind? | 1:28:45 | 1:28:50 | |
# And if only fools are kind | 1:28:50 | 1:28:57 | |
# Alfie... # | 1:28:57 | 1:29:00 |