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Good evening. Tonight we can live from BBC Broadcasting House. Brian

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Horton response after the reports and reveals the real state of the

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Coming up, Karl Oyston on that 11 million. And Blackpool's multi-

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million-pound bonus scheme. Are they on the same if they go up

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again? Yes, I've been the highest earner was just about �400,000. He

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had played nearly all the games. How the Shakers are planning to

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stop their slide. And is there light at the end of the relegation

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tunnel for the struggling silk men? With me, the manner in Dickie

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Macclesfield Town in the Football League, Brian Horton, and then

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Oldham Athletic legend, Andy Ritchie. First, while Blackpool's

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play-off push hasn't made many headlines, and �11 million payment

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to the Oyston family certainly has. One newspaper has accused them of

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banking money they should have put into the club. Karl Oyston invited

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me to the family estate in Lancashire to on to the questions.

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We took a stroll across his land before talking agent, bonuses and

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first of all, those headlines. But papers have been having a field

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day, talking about this �11 million payment. Has it been a rough few

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months? I think it has been a rough time for my father and manager, who

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should be above and beyond any criticism, the way they have

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supported club and where Ian has taken the club. I don't look at

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these things, but I think and just criticism or on the shin of fact is

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always hard to take, like any injustice. A were you surprised by

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the venom into of the report? some of the report? In any walk of

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life, if we had made those profits, we would have been up for a

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business award. It is the perverse nature of football, sadly. So this

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11 million quid, is that there if the club needed? It is not being

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spent? It is there if we needed, just like many has been there

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during the 25 years of his ownership -- if we need it. He has

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often funded the club at substantial cost to himself. Do you

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know how much money your cup has put into Blackpool? I don't, no one

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really cares how much we put in, although care about is that the

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results on the pitch and our league status. It is easy to forget where

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we have come from and how quickly we have gone where we have gone.

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And how much stronger and solvent... There are very few clubs that own

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their own ground without a mortgage, we are particularly strong, and

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will remain strong, that is the main method of staying strong, for

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me to do what I have always done, not take risks, not Gamble, to make

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sensible, objective decisions. this 11 million quid part of the

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scheme to avoid the tax bill? Does your dad see it as the best way

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forward? It is not the scheme, it is effectively efficient tax

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planning. The money has not gone to my father, it has gone to a company.

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And that company has been the one that has lent the good baulk of

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money over the years, this is a repayment -- lent the Football Club

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money over the years. That money is available to me, the bigger

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question that the dirt detractors should have his wife -- is why I

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would spend the money on players and agents fees. I think the last

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time I interviewed you have formally was when you were

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preparing for your first Premier League season, and I were shocked

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by what you found, the agents, how have you been affected by this?

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effected particularly, surprised by the level to which agents sometimes

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put their own interests ahead of their client's interests. I think

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they should be illegal. What do they do? An agent would take a

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player to a club when the player would be paid less than we would

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pay him, saw the based on the fact that the agent was receiving more

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money, -- solely based. Often, they don't represent the player's best

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interests, and I think that is wrong. It would be acceptable in

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any other branch, accountancy or law, say. They have to represent

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your best interests. I am not saying you have set out to create

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an image as the scourge of agents, is that the way forward for

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football, to take them on? In my opinion, and we have done this

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unilaterally, we have made our opinion stick. You don't have to

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pay agent to have success in football. I can't understand why my

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counterparts play vast sums, tens of millions, to agents, went there

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is no need, there is no benefit, that money just go straight out of

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the game, never to return. It does but for me. -- but for me. How do

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you operate? Do you have stand-up rows? We very our tactics. -- we

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very our tactics, we played good cop, bad cop. We make an offer,

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which we stand or fall by, and sometimes we get the players, and

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sometimes we don't, for different reasons. But we have got a very

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good manager, and that really goes in our favour for attracting

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players, he has really got a track record for bringing in players from

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obscurity, or a bad patch in their career, and really taken them on to

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greater things, giving them a platform. -- of Peking of them.

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There was a huge bonus pot to get them to the Premier League, was

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that your idea? It was a joint idea. We implemented that bone structure,

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it worked very, very well for us. - - that bonus structure. We have

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always tried to incentive buys it for results, always, on every basis,

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appearance money, pro rata, at the bonuses are pro rata. Everything is

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finely tuned to watch what they actually do and what they achieve.

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There are far too many passengers in football, people who pick the

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money up and don't care. Our players and our manager do care.

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Not just because they have a vested interest, but it would be

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disingenuous to say that about them, we have players who have been with

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us for a long time, and it seems to work for them, this system, they

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are rewarded for their efforts. What was the bonus pot when you

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went up? About 5 million. I think the highest earner last time was

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about �400,000, the bonus to himself, because he played nearly

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all the games. So players who haven't played don't get anything

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unless the other players and Botham the bonus.

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That was just a portion of the conversation between me and Karl

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Oyston, you can hear all of it on BBC Radio Lancashire tomorrow night.

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It was a poor day on the pitch for Blackpool on Saturday. Ian Holloway

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slammed his team's defending. His side slumped to a 3-1 defeat at

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promotion rivals Reading. Lomana Lua Lua's goal was the one bright

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spot. It is Southampton next for Blackpool. Burnley manager Eddie

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Howe says he will be looking into why his side keep losing leads

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after a 2-2 draw at home to West Ham. Burnley couldn't hold on to a

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2-0 lead, as West Ham got more into the game after the break, and turn

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things around with two goals in two 2012, and not a single win, it is

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hardly a vintage year for Macclesfield Town. That dismal form

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left Gary Simpson out of the job last week. In his place, Karl

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Oyston, who would previously led them to safety in 2004 under

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similar circumstances. Can history lot for Macclesfield fans to talk

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about. It has been a tense week here. Gary Simpson's departure has

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not been easy for the club. Brian Horton takes charge of his first

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home game tonight. Everyone is working he can work his magic for a

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He just knows how to dig them out, when they are in trouble. Hopefully

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he can do it! Do you think he can? Yes! What do you make of Gary

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Simpson leading? I think it was inevitable, unfortunately. Every

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respect for the guy, but something had to be done, we have got to try

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and respect -- save the season. have to keep everything crossed and

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hope it all works out, type of thing! Do you think Brian can do

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it? He has done it before. You always say you should never come

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back, but only time will tell. Speaking to the chairman before the

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game, he was keen to point out that the club and Gary Simpson parted on

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good terms. I phoned him and said I was going to try to Sheffield to

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have a chat with him, so he clearly knew. The sun was shining, and we

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had a really pleasant 45 minutes chat in the sunshine about why when

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we were where we were. I think he would accept that he did everything

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he could, I haven't lost the support of the players and the

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board. Do you believe the club can stay in League football? Of course

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I do. As Gary said to me, he said, you are not in the bottom two.

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happens if time runs out? We will get on with life. It is not a

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future that I want to contemplate, but it is a future we are having to

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consider, and it is not the first chance to move away from the

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relegation zone. Matt Smith went close early on, but the home side

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had the better of the first half, but they could not find a winner.

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They took a point, but crept into the bottom two. Only seven games

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left for them to find some form to keep them in the league for the

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I found that spirits were not low. Going in on the Monday morning when

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I told Gary on Sunday afternoon that he was leaving, we spoke later

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on that evening and made it so that I could go to training on Monday

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morning. I needed to do that. Lynne Chamberlain, Gary's number two, had

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to pick his brains about the team. It started off great. A new manager

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comes in and tends to live people, a different voice. Hit the post,

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started well, their first attack, they scored and that has been going

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that way. I changed the system for the Friday 9th game against bonnet.

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-- Friday night game. Went for a bit more strength and resilience

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and that worked. We have to be better at attacking. What about the

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mental challenge? Yacht in the bottom two now. Funnily enough,

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after that game, after the Rotherham game and one of the

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players said, we have not then dropped into the bottom two. I said,

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maybe it will be a wake-up call and that is right. Now they know we

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have to win games. They are not above it. You have to do it

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yourselves. Dagenham are going to win, Hereford will win. We had an

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Ronnie Moore in here last week and he was talking about his deal with

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Tranmere, keeping them up. Is there something that you're looking at?

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Exactly the cent -- the same. It was nine games, go in, hopefully we

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will stay up. As a neutral observer, we know Brian's skills as a manager,

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is it easy to turn a team around in this position? If anybody can,

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Brian cant. I have known him for donkey's years and we go back a

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long way. I know that he can get the best out of players. He has a

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difficult start and he is away at Gillingham at the weekend. That is

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not an easy place to go to, but if he gets the players buying into the

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system that he wants to play and they feel they are stronger, I'm

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sure he can do it. Thank you very much before coming in. More later

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NEWLINE Starting with events at the top, where Crewe's unbeaten run now

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stands at nine after victory at BBC Radio Stoke's Graham McGarry.

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Sets it up for Murphy, Murphy goal! What a super skill. Went around the

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goalkeeper and he is home, his 6th goal of PCs and. While that result

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did Macclesfield a big favour, this one didn't. Accrington led against

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another of the Silkmen's relegation rivals thanks to this fine effort

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from Bobby Grant. Will Hatfield missed a great chance to double the

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visitors lead on the hour and should have done better from inside

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the box. It was a costly miss when Brian Woodall headed the Daggers

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level soon after. Had Stanley held on for just a few minutes more,

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Dagenham would have been in the bottom two now and not Macc but

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unfortunately they didn't. Aristote Nsiala was sent off for violent

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conduct giving the home side a late free kick which found the head of

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Scott Doe to secure an injury time win for them and a miserable trip

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Well, if we look at the League Two table, it shows that Crewe's nine-

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match unbeaten run has put them right on the fringes of the play-

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off places. Both Oxford and Gillingham play their games in hand

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tomorrow night, Oxford are at Stanley while Gillingham are at

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Burton. The bottom half is dominated for us by Macc's slide

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into the bottom two and the relegation places.

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In January Bury were sitting pretty just outside of the play-offs but a

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horrendous run since which coincided with a spate of injuries

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and suspensions has left them hovering above the drop zone. So

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going into Saturday's derby against Preston at Deepdale Shakers' boss

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Richie Barker knew the pressure was Football fans suffer from

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collective amnesia, they are prone to forget the good times and quick

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to focus on the back. Things recently have been pretty bad.

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have been difficult games, but we have pressed ourselves with a

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couple of mistakes that have cost us. The couple of sendings-off have

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cost us as well, but the positive aspect is that we have had our

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sticky spell and hopefully we can come through that and we are still

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outside the relegation zone. weather has certainly taken a turn

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for the better, but will bury's fortunes? The last time they lost

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three games on the bounce was took Swindon Town in 1932. We need a

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result all we are sliding towards the trapdoor. We have had to take

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players out on loan at so as soon as we get a few injuries, we

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struggle. The players stuck together last season and that is

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what they have to do in the next few games.

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As a player Richie Barker was a striker so his trade was scoring

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goals - it's no coincidence that since goal machine Ryan Lowe left

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Gigg Lane Bury have struggled. will always be difficult against

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the bigger clubs and that is why we have to try and manage the players

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in terms of injuries and suspensions to make sure that it

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does not affect us as bad as it has been forced up -- as it has been.

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At Deepdale in the spring sunshine, Bury shaded the first half forcing

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a succession of corners. Again there was no end product despite

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there was no end product despite David Amoo seeing a lot of the ball

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out wide. Bury deserved to be ahead forcing a series of fine saves from

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ice cream, anything but the game. It looked odds on for a 0-0 until.

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Chuks Aneke, on loan from Arsenal, hit a speculative shot - it took a

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deflection and PNE were heading for three points. Shakers' fans were

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ready to hit the bottle, and I don't mean the after-sun, but in

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the dying moments substitute Lateef Alford Alliyu tapped home after

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That is 13 without a win for Bury, but this feels like a win. Maybe it

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could be a point that helps keep them in League One. After half-time,

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we increased the urgency and tempo and played decent stuff and make

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good chances. We could easily have gone further ahead, because there

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were good moments. How are you bearing up? I am hanging in there

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and doing the best I can. I will give it my best and work as hard as

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I can sell I expect my players to work hard as well. I will keep

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putting all my hard work in. We talked about the run recently,

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Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Carlisle, it would test

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any team. It is difficult, but I had a game against Exeter for Radio

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Manchester and we spoke with one of the directors that morning and he

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said all they want to do is survive in the heat. If they of believing

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what they say, I think they can do that and they will push on that,

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but when you lose players who score goals, and the bishop has had a lot

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of injuries as well, it is difficult for the site to keep that

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said a form. The young manager has worked tirelessly in. I think that

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he should be given more backing next season. That might be able to

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help him depending on what happens. We must talk about Preston as well.

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Brian, you're former club. They are desperate for wins at the moment.

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Before we left, we lost our front very, so we were trying to learn

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people out. The players are coming back now, just about. They all good

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players. We were five points of the play-off, which is crazy for me, so

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he has brought his own players in. I know someone who went to the game

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and said that they were outstanding. They have good players, but he is

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changing it completely so it is his They might just have enough to be

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good. The keeper is outstanding. He just brought in in before we left.

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We had had him pre-season, but he was an outstanding goalkeeper.

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briefly, Preston and Bury, can they both stay up? Definitely false stop

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that was brief! Well, rounding up the rest of the

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weekend's League One action, here's relegation zone, Rochdale are still

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firmly in it after a disappointing result and performance at Brentford.

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It's best explained by manager John Coleman's post-match comments to

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BBC Radio Manchester. There is no disguising the fact that we played

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for the fans. Tranmere continue to march on under

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Ronnie Moore, it's now 14 points from 18 since he took charge from

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Les Parry. Joss Labadie gave them a second half lead against lowly

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Exeter with a crisply struck effort from outside the box. The only real

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surprise was that it took Rovers until injury time to make the game

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safe, Jake Cassidy with another neat finish that helped his side

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back into the top half of the table. The only thing keeping Oldham out

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of it is goal difference after their deserved home win over

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Bournemouth. Chris Taylor got the only goal, converting Kieran Lee's

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well-placed pass from close range as The Latics made it back-to-back

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Well, as Bill mentioned in his round up, there's something for us

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to celebrate in League One tonight, we've got a team back in the top

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half of the table! Tranmere are going great guns under Ronnie Moore

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and they go to Bury next Saturday in a key game for The Shakers. Dale

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will be looking for reaction to that Brentford defeat in a real

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six-pointer at home to Walsall. In life, we all pick up knowledge

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every single day. Every twist and turn teaches us something different

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or new. So how much does a footballer, during a 16- year

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playing career that has taken in no less than nine clubs, pick up in

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that time? Well, let's find out as that very player, Blackpool's Brett

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Ormerod, takes on team mate Neil Eardley in this week's One on One.

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Posing the questions, Dianne What is the capital city of Brazil?

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Procedure. Getting! What does Tarik stand for? The only way is Essex.

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Who played their home international matches at Livy the stadium? Where

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do the winners from Take Me Out go on a date? Island of Fernando us.

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It is all trash TV, what chance have I got? You are currently in

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third place in a razor. What place we be in if you pass the person in

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second place? Second. First. Second, thank you, why are you laughing?!

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Put my knowledge to the test. Dumb and Dumber, this lot. What is 72

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divided by 12? You haven't a clue? Is it well? 72 divided by 12?

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Six, Yes! This question is the tie- breaker. Which country does Ludo

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Sylvester come from? France. He is French! You have to be specific. Is

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he French or not? Technically, I'm right. Half a point. I know what it

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Give me a double you. Nice. A country? Guadeloupe. Yes! Are in a

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subway down as well now. What kind of a place is that?!

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It was like Inspector Crusoe trying to read a road map.

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With the Easter weekend and two games approaching, there's not much

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action for our teams this midweek. Oldham host Orient and it's

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Preston-Brentford in League One while Stanley could do Crewe a

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favour with a win over their play- off rivals Oxford. All the action

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and all the news from your club every day on your BBC local radio

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station. I don't fancy bred on the Who wants

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To Be A Millionaire, he would have Chris Tarrant by the throat. I

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think we are done now. Well, that's it for tonight. Thanks

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very much to Brian and to Andy, and good luck, Brian, for the remainder

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