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This week, one of English football's all-time greats turns 90.

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Tonight we celebrate Sir Tom Finney. Coming up, the Preston plumber who

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became the perfect player. Happy birthday Sir Tom Finney. Juggling

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today is a lost art. There is only one player today I know of who

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juggles and that is the little fella in Barcelona. Five and

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finally alive. We look back on Burnley's day out. And here is this

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pushing back for the play-offs? With us tonight in the studio, a

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man who knows Sir Tom well from nine years as both a player and

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manager at Preston, the current boss of Everton, David Moyes. And a

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former England captain who faced Sir Tom Finney in a whole host of

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Blackpool-North End derbies, Jimmy Armfield. Jimmy, you have seen many

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players in your lifetime and played against many, where does Tom Finney

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rank? If I had to put him anywhere I would put him among so top

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players we have ever produced. Anyone who saw him regularly would

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agree with that because more than anything, it was his attitude to

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the way he played, the talent and the other thing about him was he

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was so versatile. He could play across the forced line and anywhere.

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David, or in your mind years, how big an influence was he on you?

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was a big influence on everyone. He certainly helped me and Gary Peters

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before me. He knew everything about it. It was very simple with Tom. He

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was not just a great footballer, but unexceptional man. More insight

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shortly. Quite simply he's a legend. A

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legend and a gentleman. Sir Tom Finney is one of the finest English

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players of all time. His entire career, 14 years, was spent at

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Deepdale. He is Mr Preston North End. On Thursday, Sir Tom reaches

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another milestone - his 90th birthday. Andy Johnson has this

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tribute from all of us at Late Kick I always think he was definitely

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one that you could say was the best. Two great feat, terrific in the air,

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brave as a lion. He had everything. A one club man. A one-off. 14 years

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with Preston North End. 4 33 league appearances, 187 goals. All of the

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football clubs have loved to play Preston because Tommy put thousands

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on the gate. They would go in their thousands just a seed Tommy Finney

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Perry. Although the war robbed him of some

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of his best playing years, Tom Finney was footballer of the year

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twice in the fifties. He didn't win any domestic honours and he could

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have earned more elsewhere - he once turned down a lucrative move

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to Italy. It wasn't for him. He only ever wanted to play for his

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beloved Preston. Tommy Docherty played for nine years alongside the

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great man. I would rather play behind him than

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against him. Jimmy used to say, get the ball and give it to Finney. He

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said don't worry, he will do the rest. That is what I used to do. As

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you get an understanding with Tom, he made bad passes look great.

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greatest asset was his dribbling ability. He would beat a player on

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a sixpence. Dribbling today is a lost art. There is only one player

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in football that I know who dribbles and that is the little

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fella at Barcelona. Like all players with supreme

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ability, he was the recipient of some agricultural challenges from

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opponents. Fizzin' Heck, I remember he said. I was describing somebody

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when we had a few minutes and he was shocked once when somebody

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actually fouled him and just ran away and did not apologise. He said,

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Fizzin' Heck, he said. Fizzin' Heck! He could not believe it. He

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could not believe everybody had the audacity to tackle him.

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It seems inconceivable now with the millionaire lifestyles enjoyed by

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today's top players, but throughout his playing career, Tom Finney

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continued to work as a plumber. After training, we used to go

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outside and his wheelbarrow was in the car park. I don't know why they

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had a car park because there were no cars. The directors had a car,

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you know, but Sir Tom had a wheelbarrow. Ken was an accountant

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and Ken used to do the secretarial work for Tom's business. Tom and

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his brother used to push the wheelbarrow to plumbing jobs.

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was it unfair to describe Preston as a one-man team? They used to

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call us the plumbing a team. Be it wasn't bad. It was not a bad quote,

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that. Tom Finney won 76 caps for his

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country. As his international career drew to a close another

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illustrious one was beginning. I remember when I played my first

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game for England, I could not believe it. Tommy Finney was left

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winger. Tommy Finney went down and he didn't even look up. You could -

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- he could see with his peripheral vision. He just clipped the ball to

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the spot, the penalty spot, and I could not just help it. I was in my

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stride and a whack it in the back of the net. Whenever anybody said,

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what was that like? I said it was more my ambition to play with Tommy

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Finney. Bill Shankly was a colleague here and he said that Tom

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Finney would have been great in any team, any match of any era even if

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he had been wearing an overcoat. Of course that meant he faced the

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likes of Shanks and Tommy Docherty when England played Scotland. The

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way he was treated by his club colleagues on international duty

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didn't always go down well at Deepdale.

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I went back to Preston on the Monday and Mr Buck was the chairman

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then and I said, I want to see year. They said, look, I am not happy

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with you. I said, why? He said, the way you treated Tom at Wembley on

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Saturday. I felt you were very rough, to say the least, on Tommy.

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I said, he was playing for England and I was playing for Scotland and

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I am sorry if I offended you. He said, I have some tablets to give

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you to call you down. I said I don't need any tablets. You can put

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these tablets way you put the carrots. I told Tom about it and he

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was killing himself laughing. Finney plays his last game for

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Preston at home, the date, 30th April.

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In 1960, Finney played his last league game. The world was changing

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and just as the sixties were about to swing, a truly great player and

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a great man hung up his boots. I just feel sorry for the people

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who never saw him play. They miss something special. He was Preston

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North End. Simple as that. He will be for the rest of his life.

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just had this aura. Femi has got the ball, Finney has got the ball.

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Hundreds of thousands of people used to travel miles and miles to

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try and see his skill and see him play. Brilliant stuff. Memories for

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year and for people like me, an eye-opener. Comparing him to many

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great players. What was he like? What could he do? What Jimmy were

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saying there I think is true. He was like recipe. On the left foot

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all the time. When he played on the right wing he used to trap the ball

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and if you went that way, he always went inside. Reading his mind was

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not easy. It was his versatility and his strength. People never

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think about that, he could run for ever. That kind of strength? He had

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an inner strength. I don't know what it was. He was great in the

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air. He was not good in the air. I once saw him play at Arsenal and I

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think that is the best display I have ever seen by a player in one

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match. He was up, back, jumping with centre-halves. He was great.

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It was his versatility that I always thought took him into

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greatness. Did he turn up with tricks? As they would today? Yes,

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he dribbled past players. That was to strike. He used to trap the ball

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with his left foot and dip with his right shoulder. When he played

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against me I would think he would come inside, is he? May be. He was

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very difficult to weigh up. Like Matthews, from here to there, not

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much mutters, he'd got it. David, you came from Celtic where they had

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legends. When you came to Preston were you aware of him and what he

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stood for? Of course I have -- of course I was aware of Sir Tom

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Finney. Not as a player because he was out of my era, but the more I

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got to the club I understood him. I got to watch clips like we watch

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just now and to understand how good a player he was. I got to know him

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more as a person and as a man. is when I met him when he was

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showing me around the pavilion stand before they pulled the inner

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workings alt. He loves the club, doesn't he? What does he mean to

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the people of Preston? Tommy Docherty said it there, he is

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Preston. He was when I was there. Everything there was from Tom. Tom

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let us out what we were the championship. It was his club and

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everybody in Preston knows him. He is a fine, fine man and obviously a

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great player. Jimmy, you were with him at the weekend. What sort of a

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manager was the? He was a gentleman. The worst heat said was Fizzin'

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Heck. Nothing about him was, why players like him was his attitude

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to the game. He never feigned injury. If he got tripped or felt

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he got up and walked on. I think his attitude and steered him to the

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people. As a really great footballer and sportsman he endear

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himself to the public because he was so modest. He could not

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understand the acclaim he got. man who keeps a wheelbarrow in the

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car-park is modest. That would not borrowed -- bother Tom. We are told

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that when he got the ball, nowadays there is a crescendo, we were told

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he -- we were told the crowd went quiet waiting to see what he did.

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Tommy Docherty said it, he was Preston. You expected something to

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happen. People used to say who lived in our area, they had the joy

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of watching Matthews one week and Tom Finney the next. It is

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incredible to Maj-Gen -- Imogen. David, did he have influence of

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new? Yes, when I got the job he used to come in on a Friday. We

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would talk about the team and I would say, I don't know what to do.

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Everything he did was simple, basic. I was saying to Jimmy, up we would

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think the fall-back was going to shoot the line and he would say,

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taking inside. If he shows too much, taken on the outside. It was all

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simple. He was a great support for me. He was up-to-date with football,

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what was going on. He used to talk about players earning too much, and

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rightly so. The life he had to have as well as football, but overall he

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was a great help and it was great to have someone like that come in

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and give us a little bit of time. In his own way he wanted to be kept

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Well, onto present day Preston now and an amazing accusation from

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manager Graham Westley that kicks off Howard Booth's League One

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round-up. While it's these two goals from Gary Madine that looked

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to have sealed North End's fate at Hillsborough, manager Graham

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Westley would later claim four of his own players had undermined

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their efforts by revealing the Preston team and tactics to

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Sheffield Wednesday before the game. Here's what he told BBC Radio

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Lancashire's Andy Bayes. When you have got people in your camp

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working against you, an enemy within, it is tough. I will

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overcome it because these are the barriers you have to jump over. You

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have got 35 players and some might not be the future and it can be

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different. Take a bow Bury, a first win in14! Efe Sodje and Giles Coke

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got the goals that secured The Shakers first win since and

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consigned Rovers to a first defeat in six since Ronnie Moore's return.

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Two down to relegation rivals Walsall, Rochdale launched the kind

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of comeback that can turn round a season. Jean Louis Akpa Akpro

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halved the arrears on 66 minutes, Michael Symes' penalty levelled

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matters with eight minutes to go and Akpa Akpro's second three

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minutes into injury time looked to have won a serious six pointer it

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for Dale. But much to John Coleman's frustration and the fans'

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disbelief, his side failed to hang on, dropping crucial points to Andy

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Butler's 94th minute equaliser. Last week, we reported back to back

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1-0 wins for Oldham, this time it's successive single goal defeats

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after Tuesday's loss to Leyton orient and this reverse at Meadow

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Lane. Chris Taylor hit the post from long range for The Latics, but

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it was Alan Sheehan's last minute strike which won it for the home

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Well I don't think we've heard the last of that Preston story, listen

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into BBC Radio Lancashire for the latest all week. Graham is due to

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meet the press next on Thursday. meet the press next on Thursday.

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It's not inconceivable that North End could find themselves in

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relegation trouble. In their next five games they face promotion

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chasing MK Dons, Huddersfield and Charlton and there's also a trip to

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Graham Westley's former club Late Kick Off makes way for the

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Football League Show next week, but we'll report from North End-

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Huddersfield when we return two weeks tonight, April the 16th. Now

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it's not often you get to compare Crewe with Manchester United, but

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right now, they're the only two teams in England unbeaten in their

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last ten games. In fact, since Steve Davis took over last November,

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The Railwaymen have lost just 4 of their games. Sarah Mulkerrins was

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at Gresty Road on Saturday to see They have gone from 18th to 8th.

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What is it about Steve Davis that is bringing up results? He has got

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his way of playing and he suits us a little bit better. He will put us

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in our place and he is quite strict, which is what we need and he has

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got as playing the right way. the right way after an unbeaten run

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of nine games and sitting pretty on the edge of the play-offs. The

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biggest change in the past couple of months according to the manager

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has been the increased mental toughness and a willingness to win.

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He has been keen to deflect praise away from himself and on to the

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squad. They have to go out with that belief and strength in the

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games and they have got great together this which we have

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improved. We have improved on the football pitch and they are working

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hard for each other and that is one of the ingredients to the success

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that we have recently had. How are you enjoying it? Relishing it! I

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love it, I have to save. I enjoy coming in every day. There is a new

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challenge every day and I'd love working with the players,

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especially when they are responding. The fans seem to be responding as

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well. It has been really good recently and we have had good

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results. You are a fan of his management style? I think so, he

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has done well. He can be a bit strict. That is what we believe and

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that has been needed for several years. He has had a quite nine or

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10 matches and then it changed. He is still a good bloke. But standing

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in the way of another bid result, Northampton Town. Freedom best

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describes the first half. The striker was are unstoppable. It was

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look Murphy's cool control that put them in the lead. -- Luke Murphy.

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But Northampton were back in the game thanks to Afinkenwa. An

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injury-time penalty summed it up. Be keeper guessed correctly and

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denied them a late winner. We did not do it today. Mainly because the

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players looked a bit too relaxed and they were just watching it. It

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did not work but I thought I would try something different. They have

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got to focus themselves. You can only say so much to try and put

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things right. But they have got to sit there for the 15 minutes and

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get focused for the second half but we are not quite doing that.

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parallels with yourself, David? How difficult is it to progress through

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the Manx as a manager? -- the ranks. It is very difficult but I think he

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has got good support. He did not start well but he has won games. He

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has built great foundations over the years. It is great to see them

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getting the opportunity. Do you keep an eye on the Football League?

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Yes, we have to because a lot of signings come from there and we

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keep updated on what is going on. One North West team did Crewe a

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favour in the play-off race this weekend. With the rest of the

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League Two action, here's Sarah It was Morecambe doing both Alex and

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themselves a favour at the Kassam Stadium with a win over play-off

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Craig Curran put them ahead early on, while Stewart Drummond headed

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on, while Stewart Drummond headed the decider after the break.

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Macclesfield were also away to a side chasing a top seven spot, but

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the only thing on Macc minds is their battle to beat the drop. It's

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an increasingly uphill fight, after goals from Matt Fish and Chris

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Whelpdale secured a 2-0 win for Gillingham, leaving The Silkmen

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still in the relegation zone. Accrington arrested their winless

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run at three, thanks to a home win over AFC Wimbledon. Luke Joyce gave

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them the lead after Bobby Grant's free kick wasn't collected, while

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Will Hatfield was the man who won it late on, Grant again providing

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important those two points dropped by Crewe could be, they still have

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plenty of work to do if they're to extend their season. Into the

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bottom half and Macclesfield's plight. Three of their remaining

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six games are against teams chasing From the League Two basement to the

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Championship now and while Blackpool cheered up Jimmy with a

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big win, Phil Cunliffe starts his round up with an even bigger one

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for Burnley. A wonderful lead for Burnley at Fratton Park. But it was

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level three minutes later. But a header restored Burnley's advantage.

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header restored Burnley's advantage. It was made safe by this hat trick.

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He switches into the penalty area! Is it going to go in? It is!

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Charlie Austin, he has danced around the goal and rolls it into

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the net. Will he cross? It is a hat trick for Charlie Austin! Striker

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Stephen Dobbie Hogg t headline but it was his penalty saved that got

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them going against Southampton. He made his first home appearance

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since signing on loan from Swansea and was inch-perfect after a tumble

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midway through the first half. Nine minutes later, he is and

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Blackpool's second. Great composure to find the finish past Davies.

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Championship shows Blackpool back in the top six but it looks like

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five or even six teams battling for three play off places. Burnley stay

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16th, despite that big win, but they can improve that position and

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help Blackpool out as well with a victory in their game in hand at

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home to Birmingham tomorrow night. Oldham are also in action at

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Brentford while several of our sides get the Easter weekend

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underway on Good Friday. All of our League Two teams are in action then,

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keep up to date with all the games and all the news all week on your

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Where would Tom be playing today? I was reading he could play in all

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five forward positions. Yes, he has done in his time. He has definitely

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played on both wings and inside forward when he was developing as a

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player. He would certainly be in the England team. He would not be

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able to stay at Preston. Not today. The money would be too much of an

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inducement at Preston as well. The words are inseparable. Him and

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Preston. The films do not do him justice, really. Television has

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moved on the same as football has and consequently you do not really

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see him at his best. But take it from me, he was terrific. Young

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players had taken it on board. They have been comparing him to Lionel

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Messi. Wherever he went, people said, Tom Finney, Tom Finney. I got

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him a birthday card at the weekend saying that he was 90 today. These

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were people board in 1922 like Doris Day, Ava Gardner and Tom

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Finney. -- form. -- were born. we producing legends like this

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today? Who will we be talking about like this in 90 years? We hope to

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produce similar legends but whether we produce somebody that has his

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loyalty and service to his country and one town and one team, I do not

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know if we will see that again and that is what makes him special. But

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the game needs it. Football has moved on from that period and we

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need new Superstars but everybody talks about Temple stop do players

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today appreciate --. Two players appreciate players like him?

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think they should because you can learn an awful lot from players of

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the past. He is obviously even further back than some legendary

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players but he was certainly one of Well thanks very much to you both,

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Jimmy and David, for your thoughts tonight. Sir Tom has retired from

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public appearances but we're assured he's being well looked

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after as he prepares for the big day on Thursday. We're going to say

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goodbye in a way we think most fitting for the great man himself.

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With memories and good wishes from his peers and the people of Preston.

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From everyone at Late Kick Off, My memories of him were being stood

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on the Kop watching him play and realising how lucky I was to be

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able to see a player of his skills at that time. My hairs on my neck

:26:42.:26:52.
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were standing up with the excitement. Tom Finney to me, in my

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opinion, the greatest ever, in my opinion. A pleasure to play behind

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him in all those years and we will never meet your like again and it

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has been a privilege and a pleasure to be on the same field with you.

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Got less, take care, Tommy. could score brilliant goals and

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beat men used to play it. A good team man. -- beat players are used

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to play. A good all-round footballer. -- beat players

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brilliantly. It would not surprise me one little bit if he went out on

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the field at 90. I still think he could walk past them! You always

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knew that when he went down on the field, we were good. It is going to

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be a great cross. There is always somebody there. A lot of

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footballers felt the same but he was a great footballer. Tommy,

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thank you for letting me called you Tommy. It has been an absolute

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pleasure watching you play, from when I first started playing and

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occasionally got the opportunity. It was the greatest pleasure that

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anybody could ever have. I have so many happy memories about watching

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