02/03/2014 MOTD2 Extra

Welcome to Match Of The Day two Extra. We're discussing the

weekend's football on BBC One, Radio 5 Live and the BBC Sport website.

Coming up, it's the first Cup Final of the season, as Sunderland look to

upset the odds and beat Manchester City in the League Cup final at

Wembley. Alan Pardew might be waking with a

sore head this morning following the incident at Hull.

Sol Campbell has been very forthright in this views of the

England captaincy this morning, as his book is serialised.

And we'll look at the title race - Liverpool up to second after their

win and Arsenal slip up at Stoke. With me in the studio, former

England and Arsenal defender Martin Keown, 5live and Match Of The Day

commentator Conor McNamara, and Rory Smith from The Times. Martin is

already in very argumentative mood! We will hear from all three of them

shortly. And we'll start with Wembley and the

Captial One Cup Final. 2pm kick-off with full commentary on 5live and

highlights on BBC One later. It's Manchester City against Sunderland.

Let's hear now from both managers. It is very important for this club

to win titles, so to win the first title and at Wembley I think it is

also very important. Everybody thinks it is

also very important. Everybody say because before the final, it

gave me plenty of options which made the situation very difficult for the

players. That is because of the quantity of options. Secondly,

because they will have to fight for a place in the squad. It is very

beautiful to play for a title at Wembley. It is very awful to lose.

So another team, another year, another year, but I am absolutely

sure that all of them will be 100% motivated to win this time. It is

incredible how, in the first game of the Capital One Cup, with 20 minutes

to go we were out. And now we are in the final. And so a great

opportunity. I am looking forward to it.

Well, let's head to Wembley, where we can hear now from the TV

commentary team of Kevin Kilbane, who's with Guy Mowbray.

Kevin is with me pitch side at Wembley on the first really big day

of the season. The first trophy to be awarded. Can you make a case for

Sunderland upsetting the odds today? Well, we probably have to look to

Wigan coming here in May beating a really strong Manchester city side

that day and recent history where they have knocked out Manchester

United and Manchester City, so they have to try to come here today to

not out City. It is a tough task for them and a strong Manchester City

side. -- knock out. Around London for the posterity for hours, it is

all red and white! Yes! Red and white everywhere on the Tube. Some

have been away three or four days before this game as well. They have

enjoyed the occasion and they are enjoying the occasion here and they

have come to party and, hopefully from their point of view, to win it.

For City this is an altogether regular experience. You think that

is a factor? The fans a bit blase now? I don't think that is the case.

You look to Manchester City and where they have come from to get

back into position now so why don't think anybody takes it for granted

but this is a new experience for Sunderland. -- so I don't. You see

lots of kids walking around Wembley so you see what it means to them to

come here, so they can draw on this, that big factor, where they are in a

big final and they can come here today and enjoy the occasion, and,

who knows, after Wigan winning in May! It feels like a big day. Can't

wait! Thank you to them. He uses public

transport to get to games! Kiwi emphasised that! As far as this game

is concerned, how much trance dude gives Sunderland, Martin? -- how

much of a chance do you give? Well, they will be hoping to see that step

out on pitch again but really the big matches when the special players

come to the table and Manchester City have more of those than

Sunderland. But you have to give credit. To get to the final. And

Poyet is a manager who seems to be enjoying the occasion and the

players feed off that. There is that sense that they want to put

themselves down as history and everybody can see those photographs

afterwards. The quality will come through and I think Manchester City

will win. Well, it was partly what happened in the FA Cup final against

Wigan last May but also their record against Sunderland. Sunderland have

been a bogey team. They have. Manchester City, I have seen them

slip up. They will have learned their lesson, surely, though, from

that cautionary tale. Last year, Roberto Mancini had a ready got the

Cup. Identity Manchester City slipping up because Manuel

Pellegrini will want to put his stamp getting the trophy. -- I don't

think we will see. The Emirates feels almost as big as Wembley when

you are walking out of the tunnel and we all know what happened

there. They lost 4-1, and they are going to have to turn up in a much

bigger way, Sunderland. It is interesting because you look at City

and all the big-name players and get I heard Samir Nasri in a radio

interview this week saying, need to win the game at Wembley, I need to

win a final. So for all the big-name players and success some of them

have had, there might be this slight mental block about winning a trophy.

I think what Guys says is quite right. Arsenal and other big teams

in recent years, so you wonder whether the novelty will wear off

but I don't think City are at that stage yet. They still need to build

back cabinet full of silverware so for the players this is still

special for them. Not as special as it is for Sunderland. The sea of red

and white, it is fantastic! That is why it is a shame so many teams

think... Well, if Manchester City win a few more things it will be

like Manchester United and we will always be looking for the other team

to win it. Yes, it just gets boring watching them but I think this is a

different City and it means so much to Sunderland. Which is bizarre,

because we accuse the big clubs of not taking the FA Cup seriously and

yet it is still the same side to get to the final! I think it is the

timing. The start of the season. This is quite a good competition for

the big clubs and one they feel they actually want to win it and they can

win it. Every time you pick up the phone, it is a family member who

wants a ticket! So you have to think, who do you love most of all

to give the tickets to! Some people bring up last minute. Sorry, we are

playing Manchester United this weekend. It is difficult to put it

in compartments. I think Sunderland have suffered with that. Coming to

London was, in their minds, well, we will be going to London next week

and I'm doing this. That was a dangerous way to turn up and a game

to play. If they have any chance of winning this. You go to the Stadium

of Light and there is that statue outside. Manchester City win this

game, there won't be any stuff choose built for the goal-scorer. --

statues. Statuesque! By the way, how many friends did you lose over

handing tickets out? Did you lose any? I didn't have any friends! You

only get 25. It is ridiculous, and there is the travel to organise and

all manner of things. When you get to a final and do it regularly, you

understand it and put it in a box. When it is the first time it almost

overtakes your life and that could happen to Sunderland. You look at

Bardsley, the writeback, who was already a part of the club. He walks

out today, and is he emotional or is he professional? Which emotion takes

over? And if you've not played in finals, it is a game where you trust

your team-mates and it could be the biggest game of their lives but

Wigan went down last year and they are known as Cup winners. Playing in

the Championship. So, go and win it if you can win it. We are going to

go on to the Premier League in a while, but for Manchester City and

Sunderland, they haven't had a premier league fixture this

weekend, both playing in the FA Cup next weekend as well. Chelsea have a

league game next Saturday against Spurs. Teams around Sunderland will

be playing as well. Will that be in the back of their minds, that they

are losing ground? Sunderland have had that double-dip and they have

done magnificently to get out of trouble and then they are back there

again, and you are looking over your shoulder at the Premier League,

thinking, when can we get back into that again? Last season they were

playing an important semifinal and they weren't able to do it and that

cost them their Premier League. So, kick-off at 2pm, highlights tonight.

There are two stories dominating the papers this weekend. One is Alan

Pardew. Away from the weekend's football,

Sol Campbell's new book has been serialised in The Sunday Times this

morning and it's quite a strong headline. There are all sorts of

stories that have come out of it but he talks about having never fitted

the FA's image of cat in. He is basically saying in this that he

didn't feel that the FA wanted a full-time Black captain of the

England team. When you heard that last night or this morning when it

came out, what were your thoughts? My initial thought is that I don't

believe anyone at the FA... I don't believe anyone has a direct input

into the captain is. That is the job of the manager, and rightly so. I'm

sure if a manager tried to select somebody like Joey Barton as

captain, they might say something that that is not entirely right. No

disrespect to Joey Barton beyond the obvious! I don't think the FA would

have said to Glenn Hoddle or Ericsson or anyone that they can't

have a captain because he is black. I wouldn't have thought anybody

would think, you cannot be my captain because he is black. I think

the issue here is trying to get at is whether the selection of a

captain, there are associations that people make with colour without

meaning to and that becomes something negative when you have two

candidates, one white, one black, that you are more predisposed to go

with the white player. That could be an issue but we can never really

know send Goran Eriksson's thought processes. Sol Campbell captain

three times. And it is very hard to say looking at the captain 's that

any of them were obvious mistakes. The main captains during Sol

Campbell's career, 28 times Alan Shearer was captain, 26 times David

Beckham. They were the two main ones. Adam, four. Sol Campbell had

three. I think what seems to be coming out in the reports today is

that when Michael Owen was selected ahead of him. He captained England

three times as well. I think there are certain players and think David

Beckham is a good example and Michael Owen would be, that if you

say to somebody, if you are made captain, it will make you taller, it

will make you stand up, but somebody like Sol Campbell is going to give a

captain's performance whether he has the armband on or not. But this is

obviously coming out in an international week with a headline

that grabs the attention. Ian Wright, a dinky only captained

England once. But all the global success and the trophies that they

win. I can see the FA would think there is a -- I cannot see the FA

would think there is a problem with image in having a black captain.

Michael Owen only captained on the odd occasion. I am disappointed to

hear that. I'm no Sol Campbell very well. Shed the dressing room with

him for many years. -- I know. -- I shared. But David Beckham was almost

like a global brand and Michael Owen was assured of his place for the

next ten years, so when those decisions were made that would have

come into it but I think Sol could have gone about it in a different

way. He genuinely thinks we have to respect his Hubert I think he could

have done something on the inside to talk to people. I don't think we

need this sensationalism and I don't think it helps any young black

player coming into the game. I don't think it's not the case that

football hasn't helped make it the case that a black player can make it

in this industry. I think if summary had given him the role and said,

look, and brought those qualities through, he wasn't as vocal and he

was more of a visual leader. He was a leader. There were problems around

Sol when he came to Arsenal and we had a lot of things to deal with

with the Tottenham move. Maybe they felt there were other issues they

wanted to leave him to deal with himself quietly and just bring your

game to the game, never mind captained the group. But I do feel

disappointed this has come out in this way. The cynicism in selling

books or whatever. Sol is not that type of man and doesn't need to be.

But I feel he could have spoken to somebody within the FA to try to

explain his story and make sure this doesn't happen again. You can send

us a text if you want to get in touch. 85 808. He said in The Sunday

Times, the team rests solely with the manager in terms of selection. I

was also a great enthusiasts for Rio to captain England but it was

Capello's choice for John Terry and I'd left it at that. Which would

imply the FA don't get involved. They certainly do not get involved

in any open way, saying, you have to pick this person for a position or

the captaincy. I guess what we will never know is whether there were

conversations behind-the-scenes where hints were dropped or anything

like that, that is possible. And even more so, whether people have, I

don't know, thought processes that are related to race that they are

not aware about. Beckham was obviously a massive brand, would he

have been as big a brand if he were black? I think the FA have to

respond to this, just as they have with the other big story this

weekend with Alan Pardew. We have a lot of young black players coming

into the game, not enough as coaches or managers or in administration,

that is an issue. But we have had black captains, and this is dragging

us back from a bridge we have already crossed but we still need to

look into. The other story that is completely dominating the back pages

this morning, pictures of Alan Pardew and David Meyler all over

every single back page, or the front pages of the sports sections. Every

tweet or text on the Newcastle game involves the incident. Before we

discuss it and I read out some of your texts, let's hear from the

Newcastle manager. It was a situation where I should not have

been there. I have been involved in a couple of incidents on the line

because I am too near the action. I will be sitting down from now on,

and quite rightly after I have apologised to everyone. I should not

have got involved in it, really. Is it your worst incident on the

touchline? Well, yeah, I don't really think I did any damage to the

guy, but you cannot put your head forward, trying to push away. I

shouldn't have done that. But I apologise to everyone concerned. For

me personally, I think it is a bit of a wake-up call to sit down, and I

will. Rory Smith, the club have signed ?100,000 and warned him about

future conduct. He seems to believe that sitting down will cure it. An

entirely appropriate punishment! The thing with Pardew is, it is a

headbutt but it is not really a headbutt. I tried to push away with

my head, that line will live in infamy for all time! You wonder what

else he tries to do with his head, does he opened doors and towns like

that? Has he not worked out he has got hands? It is an issue that he

needs to look at! The problem with Pardew is ease as he has had a

couple of incidents and he will sit down to solve it. -- he has had.

This goes back years, and without being all Californian hypnotherapy

about it, he has got a problem with his temper, and he is 52. The

incident at Hull, pushing a linesman, the war of words with

Pellegrini, although there are lots of managers who have wars of words

with each other. And we have had him shoving Arsene Wenger a few years

ago as West Ham manager. He says this will make him sit down. Why did

those previous incidents not do it? I think it shows that he has a big

passion, he is keen to win the game, Meyler was coming over to get the

ball, and he wanted to slow things down, get in his way. There is this

accusation on Tyneside that is part of this Cockney Mafia, not part of

the club. I think this shows that he wants to win. It is more serious for

a manager, wearing the suit, to headbutt someone, rather than a

player on the pitch in the field of battle, heart pumping, running on

the pitch, lunging for things, diving into things. You still should

not headbutt anyone, but it is worse for a manager. Benji got in touch

with us on Twitter, don't you think a lot has been made about his

behaviour? It goes on all the time on the pitch. Is it different for a

manager headed nudging, as we will call it, and they play? Of course, I

have not been a manager, and you are a leader of young men. He creates

the habit of behaviour. I did a piece some weeks ago saying not only

Pardew but his whole bench are going to far with the way they respond to

rough challenges, tackles on the sidelines, they are out in numbers

as if they were doing it deliberately. There have been a few

incidents, he has apologised where it had a go at the Man City manager.

I think it is almost like damage limitation apology. I'm not sure it

is a genuine apology. I know the magnitude of this situation will

make him sit down and reflect, genuinely make a change, because he

has a lot to offer as an outstanding manager. I am not sitting here

saying we do not make mistakes, but he has gone below the line, he has

done it more than once, and he is lucky that his club have stood by

him, because it is that serious. How can he, you know... He wants to

transcend respect throughout the group, and that is the best way. The

Sun are saying that Alan Shearer and Graeme Souness as well, both former

Newcastle managers, saying he should go. He should be sacked. It is a

vote of confidence for Pardew, because one of the big excuses of

not getting rid of a manager is because you would have to pay them

so much. If there was any inkling he wanted to get rid of Pardew, this is

an excuse, you could get rid of him on grounds of misconduct. If they

find him and he keeps his job, it is a vote of confidence, they want him

to take it forward. The ?100,000, for those of us on the street, is

that a big fine? For most of us, you would have to move out of your

house. For a football manager, how serious is it? We talk about

football wages in terms of how much they get a week, because the figures

are easier to understand. There is a feeling that he might have wanted to

resign, gone back into the dressing room and said to the players, look,

I have gone below the line, you have not seen it, do you want me to stay?

There is that feeling as well about this. I don't believe, now the dust

is settling, he does need to sort himself out, but it will benefit the

whole club and the group and its staff as well. Is it not interesting

that we talk about his passion as being a good thing? Someone like

Michael Laudrup, widely discredited, one of the things that was held

against him was that he sat down during matches as if he was watching

the football. 50,000 people screaming. I respect more the

manager that sits calmly and trust in the team to perform. The ones

that were ranting and raving, could not be heard, and it demonstrates

they have not done enough work on the training pitch through the week.

The title race, three results yesterday that stood up, Chelsea

winning at Fulham, Arsenal losing at Stoke, Liverpool going to

Southampton in the tea-time game and putting three past Pochettino's

men. We can you from all three managers. It is brilliant for the

supporters to get three, they have been excited this year and they love

the way we have been playing. They probably knew this was a big result,

coming to here, against a very good side, so to get the 3-0 victory and

play and work like we did, they will be happy tonight. So for us, we will

stay calm and focused, ten games to go, Allah main focus is the next

game, against badgers denied. -- our main focus. It is very tough,

because defeat hurts. Of course we have to bounce back from that, but

the consequences of this defeat can be very hard to take, and we have to

respond very quickly. What kind of advantage do you have now mentally,

a 6-point gap of a 6-point gap over Manchester City one not playing in

the league? Four points more, that is an advantage. Do Man City, it is

a fake advantage, we have six points more than them, but if they win

their matches in hand, they have the same points as us and will be top of

the league. So against Man City, we are behind them. Martin, from the

point of view of a player, it is not a gap because Manchester City have

games in hand to make sure they go level on points, but if Chelsea win

next Saturday, I think it is Spurs in the tea-time game, it is a

9-point gap that is not a gap. If you are a player, do you see that as

a gap? 100%! If you are chasing? It is money in the bag, isn't it, for

the Chelsea team? The pressure is on City. Again, it is Mourinho with his

smoke signals that he sends. I start to lose respect for him when he

talks about that. He should be saying, look, the pressure is on Man

City now, not necessarily on us. They were magnificent in their

performance, Chelsea yesterday, a difficult game against Fulham, Andre

Schurrle are showing his quality. Allegedly, Mourinho never said

anything at half-time, and by saying nothing he said he said everything,

and the players performed well in the second-half. They looked

better, but Fulham looked doomed. Conor, Chelsea have a player in Eden

Hazard who is driving them on, their catalyst. Liverpool maybe have a

couple of players who are driving them on all stop Arsenal are

struggling to find somebody to drive them on. The creative players are

either injured or not performing at the moment. Thinking back early in

the season, the driving force was Aaron Ramsey. Oxlade-Chamberlain

will be important. But Mesut Ozil, not firing on all cylinders. When

things are going against you, they really are not. I thought the

penalty was harsh yesterday, but you get the feeling with Arsenal that

the momentum is not with them. Click that to Liverpool, boy, is the

momentum with them! They think they will concede a few but they will

score a lot. Suarez, Raheem Sterling, playing his way into the

England squad. In terms of Manchester United this season, we

say they have fallen off a clip, the champions down to seventh. It is the

same cliff that Liverpool are climbing up. I thought they would

fade away around Christmas, they finished seventh in the table last

season. Early March, they are second, championship contenders, and

it will be hard against Chelsea and Manchester City, and I know Mourinho

saying a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Not another

metaphor flying around! They are certainly capable of dropping

points, City, they are not banked, whereas Chelsea has got them on the

board. I can see why Mourinho is playing this game of insisting that

they are not in the title race. It is because he wants to dress it up

as Chelsea being the scrappy underdogs, the team that is on the

rise, young and all that, as though they have not spent hundreds of

millions on the squad in the last ten years. I do not buy it, but I

can see why he is doing it, casting himself in a siege mentality, with

City as the favourites. We have to fight and push on. If they win as

underdogs, it creates more pressure on their rivals, that is what he

first did in 2005, when Arsenal were unbeaten. They won with all the

money that they eventually spent. He is very clever, he is the new Alex

Ferguson, isn't he? He probably seasons as the elder statesman,

Arsene Wenger is not getting involved, and when he did, Mourinho

pulled away. I think he should lead his team do the talking, potentially

he has the best team - just let them do it, and when they do, it becomes

more acceptable to the neutral fan, and when he starts to take over, he

feels that he needs to talk, when his team play well. Is there any

hope of Arsenal getting back in the title race? Carnell says, what you

think they need to do to become a complete side? Can get that momentum

back? Arsenal have got bogged down in really big fixtures one after

another. Yesterday the biggest thing for me was the lack of creativity in

the final third, no spark. Ramsey has been a massive loss, like Eden

Hazard not playing for Chelsea at the moment. Their squad is not big

enough to keep replacing those players that are not available.

Candidate adapt? Credits to Stoke, they did very well, improving under

Mark Hughes. But can they adapt? Can they alter how they played to suit

the games they play? You get the feeling that City, Chelsea and

Liverpool can all not only changed personnel but change styles to a

state an extent if they need to, don't you? I think Liverpool have to

embrace the chaos and see what happens, that is working so far.

Arsenal have the players not to need to adapt, don't they? Ad is it, do

you have to adapt? Most teams do not have to adapt. It is confidence, the

emotion of Anfield, the intensity in their play, the energy. Southampton

did really well in that game, so they are getting lucky as well. It

is another ingredient, Liverpool restoring some of that luck. They

have a manager that wants it badly, he was putting people under

pressure. I think we can all be wise after the event and they can say,

why didn't they go and buy a striker? You bring in a ?20 million

striker you shouldn't have to trust in the kid you have brought through.

But you look at Liverpool who brought in Stirling and he scored

the goal yesterday. So bringing in a kid isn't necessarily a sign of

weakness. But you think you should with play in the same way if you are

one of the big sides in the title? Not necessarily in the same way but

most managers agree that a top side should not alter the game to suit

the opposition. No offence to Stoke but Arsenal should be able to go to

the Britannia and there does seem to be a psychological block with Stoke

and Arsenal. You should be able to go and say, we are going to play our

game. You can tinkle with it but I think it works best when you take

your game and it is your style you impose on the opposition. Let's look

ahead to the three premier league games coming up this afternoon. The

lead against Norwich, Swansea against Crystal Palace and then the

game you can hear on Radio 5 Live is Spurs against Cardiff at 4:30pm. It

has been dominated by the interview that Vincent Tan gave the BBC. I

cannot come in and change what has been done but we need to look

forward to make this a success. You know what I'd look at? Maybe some of

the mistakes I've made, maybe picking that player or that tactic

and that game plan. I can't be looking at that now. I am in charge

of the team now and we are in with a chance. We have two and we are in

with a chance. We have two and a half monthsish to get out of the

situation and we will give it a go and we have had so many examples in

the last ten years with teams in the same situation, ten, 11 games to go.

So that is the best example from last year. So, there are examples. I

saw them recently when they had that draw against Aston Villa, a midweek

game about ten days ago, and they looked to me a little bit, you know,

he has come in and is trying to play guys like the member from the youth

team. Some people say the only reason he has left Trafford is

because he didn't understand the chance they had got but he looks

like in the Premier League and they need to roll up their sleeves, flex

some muscles and fight their way out. They are trying to play the

kind of stuff we have seen from Southampton and Swansea in the last

few years. I know he has mentioned Southampton as a team who, in recent

times, have been able to play their way out of trouble. But we all saw

last year with Wigan, you can play that nice, pretty football but in

that relegation battle don't think it is the stuff that will get you

out. But it is never going to be easy. Ollie looks like he is under

huge pressure. Why? Why don't we do the best we can as a group. You

never know, we might get out of trouble. When you lose 4-0 like they

did last week to Hull, that is a real, major blow, and to pick

yourself up from there there is a realisation we're not going to do

this. But let's give as good account of ourselves as we can. At the

moment I can't see them getting out of trouble but he has to manage from

the front get those players to play better than they are at the moment.

They did seem to be getting worse because before they had a long ball

team plan. Things then had turned. I was at the game, the Villa game,

which was terrible, with Conor. Some time of my life I went get back! I

don't know what his aim is all visionaries and I don't know what

type of football he wants to play. He is a real nice man and I hope he

succeeds but I suspect that he needs and the club needs to drop down the

Championship and have a go again. We touched on this last week and looked

at the stats. Those asides, West Brom the other, and Cardiff, who

have brought in managers who are not experienced in the Premier League

and have not seen a great deal of premier league football this season

because they have been doing other jobs. The others seem to be a bit

unsure. Fulham is harder to gauge because they have now had three

managers. But you look at somebody like Crystal Palace or Sunderland,

and I know Sunderland is on the bottom three, but because of their

knowledge of British football they seem to be more settled, Poyet and

Tony Pulis, because they have a better grasp of what they are doing.

Is that fair? It seems to be, and you have to look at every situation

in isolation. With Cardiff it seems that the owner of the football

club, there was an animosity about the amount of money spent. Managing

better would have been to look at the results on the pitch and say,

OK, let's make a change at the end of the season. They are in a good

league position and he now has got rid of that manager. They are in an

awful lot worse position in a legal point of view. That money now will

be more difficult to get back. -- a league point. I don't understand why

Long was allowed to leave. And others. An odd way to write football

club. We saw with Queens Park Rangers, they came up and spent 30

million in the Premier League. I was at Loftus Road and there is no

guarantee they are coming back up. They haven't won in five games now

and in danger of slipping into the play-offs. So with Cardiff, they

might think, we spend a bit of money, but it is very difficult. In

a way, it is the teams like Crystal Palace under Tony Pulis who have

stuck to their guns and focused on what they are good at, not trying to

play an expensive game they are not able to play, and that is what gets

success. Villa, Swansea and Crystal Palace. If they win, they will go

above Villa and Swansea, Crystal Palace, so... I think there is

enough quality there. They lost their way a bit and lost their

intensity and the Michael Laudrup because of his style of management.

I think they will be fine. Norwich of those four, that is the one I

would re-worry about because their last few games of the season... But

you have Tony Pulis who has had 901st-class games and you think

about the difference in experience. I know it is a huge call to put

somebody in that type of position of authority. -- 900 first-class games.

Can you really see Palace winning today? Is Swansea win today it

almost puts today then being safe. Let's look ahead to the

international to be played this week. England taking on Denmark.

Their last home friendly before the World Cup. We have Luke Short and

after yesterday's game as St Mary's, Steven Gerrard was asked about his

position. I think Luke Shaw will be the England left back. That is a

fact. That goes without saying if he stays clear from injuries that he

will be a top player for many years to come. Then you have Rodriguez and

Lambert, who were consistent. But I'm looking forward to putting this

game aside and now we are trying to get a win for England and train and

play with those lads. I thought there was pressure on Luke Shaw

already so that has been cranked up a bit! Yes, if I was Manchester

United, Chelsea, Liverpool, I would be shoving money at Southampton to

get him and if I couldn't get him, I would get Ben Davies from Swansea.

Luke Shaw a soup -- is a superb footballer. 20 upwards, I would pay.

He was a left back for ten, 15 years. It is not just his pace.

There are certain players to catch your eye when they are young. It is

his position, his decision-making, tackling. He does seem to be the

full packaging. -- full package. I'm sure there will be lots of people

saying, you should stay at Southampton or learn his craft

before going to a big club. Right here and right now, I think he is

ready for one of those top clubs. I'd agree with Rory. You see

similarities with other left backs of the last ten years? Within 30

seconds of seeing him play, I was like, who is this kid? Because he

whipped a beautiful cross in, straight down the wing, and you knew

he was the worst kept secret in football, which is how good he is!

My son was playing against in a game and it was instant. Players you can

see. They talk about the golden bunch of players they have. Chambers

is the other one. I thought he played better yesterday than Luke

Shaw. So there is another one. And I think Chambers could play centre

half. Currently playing Southampton defence. Suddenly, the England

players were better on the ball. They have so many. Alana is a

beautiful footballer, the way he moves the ball from left foot to

right foot. Steven Gerrard knows the value of those two. And I think it

is great that he is the captain because he is putting his arm around

them in his interviewing. He is being captain in those interviews. I

think Gerard is playing even better this season as well, and long may

that continue. A friendly in March before a World Cup, with everything

else going on, what do you want as a player out of that final friendly to

avoid injury -- that final friendly? To avoid injury? You don't

want to put something in Roy Hodgson's mind to think that you

won't go there. Sometimes you are a better player when you don't play.

So essentially now there is not a lot of time and you have to get your

head down, keep performing for your football club. The situations I was

in, it was like, I am sorry, I am going to try to win something, and

in doing so, if that gets me into the England team, great. When the

England games come around you have to perform well but I would play the

youngsters. Lampard should go but don't use them. Steven Gerrard,

those types of players. Maybe him a little while so they can be around

the big man and understand how to behave, because that is important as

well. There is a competition. Earlier in the season we were saying

Ross Barkley. Some were saying Morrison. You have to stand up and

make your mark because only four of those will go. This is the last

chance to do so for Roy Hodgson. Liverpool's English midfield and

attack playing into the England team. Jack Wilshere and Rooney, that

should be in good's starting six. Yes. If you placed a rich, Rooney,

Luis Suarez. -- if you play Daniel Sturridge. Ross Barkley, I saw him

last week and he looked very tired. He started misplacing passes and he

did not look the same player as at the start of the season. I think he

has to go if he keeps up his current form and I think Larner, he is

perfect. If was this time last year, we would be worried but now we have

some optimism in there. We have good players we can be proud of. He does

look like a foreign player. Not winning. We're getting close to

running out of time. Martin will be on the Match Of The Day Facebook

page from 4pm and you can do a Q with him. He cannot wait expect

anything at all! You can ask an! And then the League Cup final is on

regular five live from 2pm. -- you can ask him. Also commentary of

Spurs against Cardiff from 4:30pm and the highlights on Match Of The

Day 2 from 10:25pm. See you next week. Goodbye.