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Mark Chapman and guests discuss the talking points from Saturday's matches and preview Sunday's three games: Southampton v Leicester, Arsenal v Burnley and Chelsea v Hull.


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Good afternoon, welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra, we are on BBC Two

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and the BBC sport website this lunchtime. In the company of Martin

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Kiang, Wes Brown, and John Cross. If you want to get in touch, you can

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across social media and drop us text. Over the next 45 minutes, this

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is what we will discuss. Swansea stunning Liverpool and moving off

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the bottom of the table with the win at Anfield. Manchester City less

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than impressed with the officials. Wayne Rooney becoming Manchester

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United's all-time leading scorer at Stoke. Later today Chelsea can

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increase their lead at the top with a win over Hull, and updates from

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Saint Mary 's, the only game where it is currently goalless between

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Southampton and Leicester. As far as the newspapers are concerned this

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morning, the Sunday Express saying Jurgen Klopp was critical of his

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team's defending yesterday. The Sunday Mirror, one of several

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papers to go with Wayne Rooney's record-breaking goal for Manchester

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United. We will start at Anfield, Swansea beat Liverpool by 3-2,

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Liverpool 's first home defeat in over a year, and here is the Swansea

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manager. It is a fantastic result for us, it wasn't a game we were

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expected to win. There are games this season which are must wins and

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that goes down as a big bonus for us. What does that do now to

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confidence in the dressing room, to believe collectively? Going back to

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the start of the week, if you put the effort in and you focus on the

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training ground, execute the plan to the best of your ability and always

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work as a team, then anything is possible. Where is it -- is it over

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exaggerating to say it is the kind of result that can change a season?

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Anyone playing away at Liverpool, it is very difficult and that result,

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considering they are in the bottom three, is massive. I watched the

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game, want to get stuck 2-2 I'm thinking there is only one winner

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here. He has come in, sorted it out, they have a plan and I think they

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have gone into the game... You can see, the way they defended I thought

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it was brilliant myself. They went 2-0 ahead, Liverpool are always

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going to come back but they got the winning goal. I wondered about the

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fact that they were 2-0 up, it came back to 2-2, then they went to 3-2,

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and if the manner of the victory is as important as the points itself.

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Definitely, it is all about belief and that will help to establish some

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belief. You can win at Anfield, you can most win anywhere. You want

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results to back up the messages you are giving the team so that will

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potentially turn their season around. But with -- we have seen it

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once before so we will have to see if they can build on this. He has

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players who can turn the games around, Sigurdsson is an outstanding

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player, and others and he has the tools to turn it around but he's a

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young manager. He didn't have a great time at Derby, whether that

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was to do with the owners or his results so I think they've got a

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good one. With regards to the confidence, we were talking before

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we came on air, I was at Swansea last week and for the last half-hour

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you could argue they were the better side against Arsenal. When they

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conceded the second goal, they conceded two own goals, and after

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that you could see them deflating so confidence, as it would be at the

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bottom of the table, has been a problem. It has been the issue, and

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I would think they would look back on yesterday and think the biggest

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thing about that result is having lost the two goal lead, to be pegged

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back to 2-2, you worry about your team's mentality from then on but

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then they go for it again and I think that is fantastic for their

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confidence. It might be a season defining result for them because it

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might give them the belief to really push on. I know he wasn't in charge

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that game, but they won at Crystal Palace with Clement in the stands.

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They got thrashed by Arsenal but it hasn't been too bad of an

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introduction in terms of results for Clement. Psychologically you wake up

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this morning, you are out of the bottom three and you can build on

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it. Because it is... Wes has been there with Sunderland, it wears you

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down, you cannot get out of the bottom three, it gives you a massive

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boost. Is it easier away from home when you are in a relegation battle?

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I'm not saying go to Anfield. It was easier to play against the bigger

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teams because nobody was expecting anything. You go out there and you

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play, you are more relaxed. We seemed to get results when we were

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at Sunderland against the bigger teams for that reason. The teams

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around us we struggled against. It was very weird. Was it a different

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feeling from the fans as well? Did they expect less? Yes, probably. You

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forgot about the whole situation and just went and played. We had good

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players but the confidence between the team wasn't there and then when

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you play the bigger teams it comes out in new. You can relax and get

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results. On Liverpool, when they missed Adam Lallana earlier in the

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season, they were talking about the problem with that, then missing

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Mane, does the fact their squad isn't big enough at the moment? Yes,

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I think they particularly miss Mane because he's made such a difference

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with his direct running, his goal threat, the opportunities he

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creates. He also, in the way he plays, allows Adam Lallana to be

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deeper and he makes things happen the Liverpool so it's almost like

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they are missing things on two fronts but you are right, it's

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likely highlight the issue about the squad. The defending on the Ponzi

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goals will give Jurgen Klopp nightmares and that is perhaps still

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that frailty so the depth in the squad and perhaps dealing with

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crosses and the area of threat will be his biggest concern if he's going

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to try and maintain the title challenge. A massive shock, if you

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are lovable you've got to win that game. Chelsea not even playing

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yesterday. They are in the hotel, the sun lounges are out, it's

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fantastic news. I wouldn't have had the sun lounges out in London

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yesterday, it was very cold! It is, you can win the league not actually

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playing. You've got to put them under pressure. Liverpool had a

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massive opportunity yesterday and that -- let that slip. It is a big

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result. Mane is one of the best players for me. He makes things

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happen. As a Liverpool fan you might not say he's my best player, but I

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think he's the difference this season when he has come in. They've

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struggled over the last three or four games. As you all know, when

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you are used to winning championships, those games you are

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struggling in, you just need to get a win. Particularly if you can get

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it back to 2-2. Yes, as I said, there's only one winner and it

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didn't happen. You can play well for three or four weeks, get a draw,

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when you play bad you want to win. We have got Southampton Leicester on

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the screen just out of the camera shop. It is lovely and sunny there

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so we might be able to get an update from the sun lounge! It is goalless,

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it has been a bright start of the game. Southampton have a decent

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chances, Nathan Redmon picked out from seven yards out, he went over

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the bar. Treadmill on the right-hand side of the area, shot saved by

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Schmeichel down to his left hand side. One moment the Leicester on

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the counterattack, but the shot was saved. Southampton have lost their

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last four Premier League games, Leicester have one one of their last

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six and just five points off the bottom. -- won one. It is Manchester

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City against Spurs. An equaliser came moments after Andre Mariner

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didn't give a penalty for Kyle Walker pushing Raheem Sterling.

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Let's hear from Pep Guardiola. We are just watching it again, the

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push on Raheem Sterling, what are your feelings on that? The first

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question is on the referee? This is the BBC, prestigious, to talk about

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the football, not the referee? It's just because we saw that then, I

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wondered what your reaction was. Let's go back to the performance of

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your team then, what I thought overall of the performance? They

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made outstanding performance so it is a pity. We cleared more chances,

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we conceded few. The right decisions, the right moments, always

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against, and of course you have to score goals. We created so many

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chances but we were not able and after that with the top teams like

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Tottenham, so again, that is impossible to make something and we

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create eight or nine chances in Everton today, I don't know how many

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book a lot. It is impossible. Pep Guardiola with Guy Mowbray, and we

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will talk about the penalty after we had back to Saint Marys where there

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has been the first goal of the afternoon. Yes, a really good finish

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from James Ward, a curling shot for Southampton into the left-hand

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corner and they are leading 1-0. Martin, you must have some sympathy

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with Pep Guardiola after yesterday's performance and the lack of penalty

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being given. Without a doubt, that is where you want the officials to

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be, Raheem Sterling is working hard to stay on his feet. If he'd gone

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down it would have got a penalty and the referee has got to read that

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situation. We have all done it as defenders, you nudge the striker,

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hope to get away with it. Slightly more than a nudge. Definitely, the

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assistance should have picked up on it. Yes, he has sort of been

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punished himself for staying on his feet so in that sense he was very

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unlucky and that's why the referees have got to do a little bit more, I

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think. City I think bossed the game, but Tottenham getting a draw, and

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they can only go away feeling happy about the situation. We are in a

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very old situation, aren't we, with footballers and referees at the

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moment. Root hollered alluded to it on Match of the Day last night that

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referees will respond to how players react rather than what they may see

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as regards to the actual foul. Howard Webb on Twitter last night

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said that the ridiculous claim by Ruud Hullit, but referees react on a

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lot of incidents with regards to how the aggrieved party reacts. Yes, and

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I felt a point last night was valid. Early in his career, Raheem Sterling

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has taken criticism the going down too easily. He's trying to be

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honest, trying to play. It was just knocked off balance at the crucial

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moment as he hits the shops, so what incentive is there for him to be

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honest to try to be as honest as he can, stay on his feet? If he goes

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down and dives, he basically gets a penalty. For me, Andre Mariner has

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not kept up with the plague. I think he will be disappointed when he sees

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it again because it is a howler and it's basically a game defining

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howler as well because it is just the rules of football dictate that

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Tottenham were always going to go up the other end, you didn't expect

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quite so quickly, and equalise and punish them. Visit one of those

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situations where you needed to have played the game. I don't want to

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wave the game at referees really, but if you have played the game you

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know that this situation in which it is a foul. I think that is harsh on

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professional referees. Should we be getting referees in younger though?

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We are seeing a lot of penalties lately where the player gets his

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foot there to be fouled and you know what they are doing because you

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might have tried to do it yourself. It is difficult to pick that out,

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practice helps are free to do it, but... We have seen that so often

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over the last ten years of players leaving their foot there to be hit

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by the defender that in this era of professional referees, surely they

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should be knowing that's happening. Secondly, if you follow your logic,

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why are you sitting next to me? Why are you not there,?

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To be in the referee system, I would have had to have started halfway

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through my football career. But if a scheme was in place to fast-track

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you? If I had been a high-profile player, it might have been

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difficult. I would have been interested. I went on a referee

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course and had a look at it. It is harder than it looks. But I wanted

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to get some idea of how difficult it really was. One thing that annoyed

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me was that curly finger, come here, to book a player. The first thing I

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did when I sent someone off was to do except what the referees had done

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to me. Players' reactions, if you win a ball as a centre-half and the

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striker you win the ball stays on his feet and 30 seconds later, in a

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similar tackle, that striker then falls over, do you think you are

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more likely to concede a free kick for the second one that the first

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one? Yeah, 100%. It is difficult for the referee, but that is a very big

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part of the game. If he goes down, he gets a penalty. They just need to

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get that bit right. The fouls in the middle of the park, OK. But the big

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decisions need to be sorted out. I understand why City are not happy

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this morning. There is huge pressure on these referees. I don't know what

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the referee does between now and the next match. Does he go and referee

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and under 23 games? Get his sharpness back again, rebuild his

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confidence? Or do they just drop him into the next match? The bigger

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picture is, it is neither the referee's fault nor players' fault,

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it is the game's fault that we are in a situation at the moment like

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this. Well, so much of it is depicted by the player's reaction.

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It is harsher on referees to say that they don't get it because they

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have not played the game and they don't understand. Generally, when a

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mistake is made, why don't we castigate the player who has dived?

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But the general consensus is, let's get at the referee because he has

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made the mess up. No. Get at the player who has dived. That is who

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should be openly criticised. That is what annoys me. Also, the goal-line

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technology has been such a success. It is black and white as a science.

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You can tell if it has crossed the line. You can't obviously do that

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with subjective penalty decisions like this, but giving video

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technology to referees gives you a better chance. It is still not going

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to be 100%, but I can understand Guardiola's frustration. I don't

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like his interview technique! It was perfectly fair of Guy Mowbray to

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ask. You generally throw them a general question about the game, but

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it was the only question. The whole of this discussion negates the fact

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that that was one of City's better performances. At half-time, they

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could have been at least 3-0 up. They created chance after chance. It

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doesn't negate what was City's strong response to a real thrashing

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by Everton. They worked hard pressed hard. Tottenham will admit that it

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was one of their poorest performances of the season. So it is

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as much about their resilience to get something the game. Manchester

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United dropped points at Stoke, finished 1-1. They need a late

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equaliser from Rooney. He got his 250th goal for Manchester United,

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which makes him the club's all-time record goal-scorer, going past Bobby

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Charlton. This was what he said after the game. When you sign for a

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club, you realise how important he is to the football club. Surpassing

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him today is something I had never even thought of. So I am delighted

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that I have the utmost respect for Sir Bobby. He came after the game

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and congratulated me. So he is pleased and it is a great honour for

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me. Sir Bobby Charlton said he was disappointed to lose the record, but

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glad it had gone to Wayne Rooney. You know him well, Wes. What do you

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think it means to him? It is brilliant. When you sign for a club

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like Manchester United at a young age, he would never have thought

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this achievement was possible. When this 31 now -- Wayne is 31 now. To

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break that record, even in this time, is remarkable. It is

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well-deserved. He is not even a regular at the moment. Do you think

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he has adapted to that? He has done a perfect. He will not be happy

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about it, but he has adapted to it. He is the captain of the football

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club and in his head, he has sorted that out perfect. He obviously wants

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to play every game, because I know the sort of character he is, but he

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has adapted to it well and he came on yesterday and got a draw for the

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boys. It is fantastic. As lots of people are pointing out, Martin, it

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is not the fact that he broke the record, it is the fact that it was

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the ball in the back of the net and he wanted to get the ball back

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rather than celebrate. And what a goal. He was aiming for a small area

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from that distance. There is a lot more to offer from Wayne Rooney, and

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I don't believe he should settle for sitting on the bench. That fire is

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still burning in his belly, you can see it. He has mature brilliantly

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dealt with the situation. Can he do it at Manchester United? He's 31.

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There are players at the team who are older and doing well. I don't

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see why he can't do more at Manchester United. But he might not

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want to start every week. And Royal Marine you give him that chance? I

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couldn't agree more. He has this wonderful desire and energy and

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talent. That goal, what a fitting way to break the record. Sometimes,

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we do under appreciate him generally, maybe more so in the

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media. I include myself in that. He is not England's record goal-scorer.

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It may only be when he retires that we offer him the appreciation and

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the honour that he deserves. For me, he has been an all-time great. When

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you say we, who do you mean? Do you mean the media all football fans?

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Football fans in general and the media as well. He may be a bit of a

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target to be shot at. I am not blaming anyone else, because I am in

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newspapers, and newspapers do this as well. But I have always been

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appreciative of him. Does he feel he is a target? He gets a lot of stick

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for no reason. His football speaks for itself. The stats show how good

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he is. Maybe on the England seem, because we have not done well, he

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gets more stick because of that is the captain. Do you think there is a

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reticent sometimes from United fans because a couple of times, he has

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tried to leave the club? That doesn't help. But that is football.

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It makes you question some of the players other than. There are not

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enough of them players about. Players just accept it nowadays. He

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has won everything a player can win domestic live. OK, England has been

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a problem for many generations, since 66. He has won everything in

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the game and these individual accolades he is getting are just

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like icing on the cake. Its immense human history for ever. We would

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talk about Saido Berahino moving to Stoke in a moment, but there has

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been another goal at St Mary's. It is not looking good for the

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champions. No, it is looking bleak at the moment because Southampton

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lead 2-0 against Leicester. It was poor defending from Leicester. A

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free kick just wasn't cleared and it felt a Rodriguez four yards out, who

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volleyed it into the back of the net. A couple of tweets on Rooney,

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just to show how he divides opinion. Jack says phenomenal effort, hasn't

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had the credit he deserves. He has always been scapegoated. Eddie says

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he is underrated, one of the best the country has produced. Oliver

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says, overrated, never scores in big games, bad attitude, overpaid,

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hasn't done anything for England. Not a fan! #bbcfootball if you want

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to get in touch. Are you surprised that Saido Berahino has ended up at

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Stoke? It is a bit of a sideways move for him. He was try to get a

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couple of years ago. We have been talking about him for a couple of

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years. I suppose the club has won that situation and he has gone

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somewhere a lot bigger than where he left. I think Mark use will turn him

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around and he will be a decent striker for them, but he had a role

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to play for Tony Pulis and he didn't seem to want it. What I meant to

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that question was that he was linked with Spurs a lot, who were trying to

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get in the Champions League. And yes, they have Schir Kierey and

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Arnautovic, but the two clubs are similar stature, Stoke and West

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Brom. I do think it is a sideways move. It is a fantastic deal for

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West Brom. I know it is still competition, but they have to be

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delighted with that. I think Tottenham were interested in a

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player who has genuine ability, a top quality player, great potential.

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But I'm afraid his conduct in trying to force the move would make any top

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club say, is he a player worth that sort of gamble? It has to be seen as

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a risk. Good luck to Mark use. -- Mark Hughes. He is not afraid to

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take on big characters, whether it be Arnautovic chew or players in the

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past. He believes in talent first. That is a good sign. I think West

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Brom have done brilliant. There is always this thing nowadays where

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players have the power. If they want to move, they eventually get that

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chance. But with five months to go, it is perfect. I don't think it is a

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bad deal for Stoke. It will help them out. West Brom have done

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brilliantly with the transfer. Wilfried Bony has not worked out,

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for whatever reason. But if they can get him working and fit through the

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middle, then they have the firepower to deliver. Those of us with long

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memories can remember the goals he was scoring a couple of years ago,

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and this fella is special. He has good feet. He is quick. He has the

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eye for a goal. He wasn't focused, and he probably feels he was bullied

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a bit. Couldn't get what he wanted. Tony Pulis is a difficult manager in

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that situation. But they will get a very good player. But there is

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something wrong with him a little bit mentally. It could all happen

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for him again at Stoke. Let's move on to Crystal Palace, who have

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slipped into the bottom three after Seamus Coleman's late winner for

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Everton at Selhurst Park yesterday. Here is Sam Allardyce. The learning

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curve for me is finding out about this player, that player, who I can

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rely on the most. When I made that decision with bringing new players

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in by the end of January, I was focusing on that and making those

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players better between now and the end of the season in all aspects of

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the game. I guess it is tricky, because you are trying to give the

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club in the Premier League, but you are also firefighting to an extent

:28:59.:29:04.

as well. But I am used to that. I can't say I particularly like it,

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but at the end of the day, I have been here before. So I will try and

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manage the team with the backroom staff. And if the team believe as

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much as I do, if the players believe as much as I do, we will get out of

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it. So he says he has been there before and he has. He also said a

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couple of weeks ago in a post-match interview that it might be late

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March or April before they pull away from the bottom. If you look at when

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he was at Sunderland, won three of his first six but then lost the next

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five. He has admitted it could take a while to turn it around. He is

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trying to go on the front foot by saying if the players believe as

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much as he does. That is different from what he said at the start of

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the week, when he was questioning whether there was the belief there

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and whether he could keep Palace up. It was a strange statement from

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Allardyce and I know he regretted it afterwards. He tried to address it

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in his post-match interview there. I wonder about Allardyce. I thought

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Palace would immediately go on the open up as soon as he got that job.

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I wonder whether the England experience scarred him and is eating

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up at him and perhaps taking away something of his ability as a

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manager. I don't agree with that. Look at the

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amount of games Palace have lost before he got there. It is

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scandalous the amount of games they lost that the previous manager

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stayed in the job as long as he did, so he inherited this. He's got to

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turn things around. He's got to get wounded players who haven't won for

:30:48.:30:54.

a long time back to winning. They have no confidence. Townsend is

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sitting on the bench at the moment. Ben -- Benteke. He has some really

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hard work to do in there, some really serious talking to those

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players because they will go down if they don't turn it around very

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quickly but they have the players to do it. What happens when he takes

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over? What does he change really? The outside looking in at these

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clubs you think an oncoming are all professional players, you know how

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to defend, so what does he change? We were struggling. No confidence.

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He comes in and keeps a very basic, very simple. He tells you what he

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wants. It takes a few weeks but as soon as you started doing it, you

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can see the lads coming together as a team and we started performing in

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a reasonable way. We start getting results. It's as simple as that.

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There is no, right, we will change this and that... We do it as a team.

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He gets the confidence up. Does he walk you through shape, position,

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drumming it in? Yes, we were letting in goals so he would get it all

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tight and pretty much sorted out as simple as that. It's very simple.

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There would be nothing very difficult going on with his

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training. It would be simple, tight, compact. Wes, do you end up playing

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for the man? Because of the X factor with the man himself. I've spoken to

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some of the staff and they say he's a breath of fresh air. Yes, when you

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are in the changing room, I know what it's like. Players are always

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worried by other clubs. Players can come and destructive player and

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there will be players at that club thinking oh, come summer I'm looking

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to go. They just need to win games. They got some great players. Benteke

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Has not been playing well and if he can sort that out, it's a great

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help. You look at their midfield and Townsend is not even being used.

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They have players who can turn this around. Puncheon. I look at them

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defensively and I just don't think the quality is there. I just don't

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think they are strong enough as a unit. But if he keeps them simple

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and organised, there's not that much difference to the back four that

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kept them up last season. I don't know, if you sense the manager

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hasn't quite got that trust in you, I mean I guess it is an art of

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management to hide that doubts but basically I think is clearly going

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for two new full-backs, he will clearly go for that and a

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centre-half. He is mixing it up, he played three yesterday. Font went to

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West Ham, and that was a big mess because he is solid. We will come

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back to the bottom of the table shortly. It is half-time at Saint

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Mary 's. Simon Brotherton is up the Emirates for us. I know you were at

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the Liberty Stadium last week watching the game against Swansea,

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4-0 for Arsenal, were they as good as the scoreline suggests? Certainly

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the first 20 minutes Swansea played very well, and Arsenal just look a

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little bit laboured at times starting the game, but it's as if

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they got in at half-time. Arsene Wenger regrouped with them and gave

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them a kick up the backside, and their second-half formance was

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scintillating at times. We saw Danny Welbeck come off the bench, Arsene

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Wenger has been talking about him this week and the contribution he

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can make in the second half of the season. Do you think in a way it is

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almost like having a new signing and he could be a key contributor? Yes,

:35:25.:35:29.

before his injury he was starting to get a few important goals for

:35:30.:35:34.

Arsenal. He's done his preparation, there's no way Arsene Wenger would

:35:35.:35:37.

allow him to come back into the Premier League in a game with such

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pace and ferocity otherwise so he's obviously ready. He wants to get

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Welbeck on the pitch and get him back to full fitness because you can

:35:50.:35:52.

have bounce games and play in the reserves but it's not the same as

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playing in a Premier League match with the meaning it accounts for.

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Welbeck for me is a good player and just needs to get back to playing

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games. I'm sure at some stage today you might see Welbeck coming on.

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It's an opportunity for Arsenal to gain ground on some of their rivals,

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with most of the top six dropping points yesterday. Can they be the

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main challengers to Chelsea, do you think? I think there are still

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several. I still look at the likes of Manchester City, and Spurs,

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dropped a few points yesterday. They are all still chasing Chelsea, but

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they cannot drop any points. In the past you seen Arsenal lose games

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like today. Arsenal have got to be looking to win today.

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You can hear John commentating on radio 5 Live this afternoon. Two

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o'clock kick-off here at Emirates. Andy Dunn wrote a column in the

:36:56.:37:02.

mirror questioning why Sean Dyche is not on the list to replace Arsene

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Wenger when the time comes. Yes, it's an interesting read and I guess

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at this moment in time basically is Sean Dyche judged because Burnley

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went down, where is obviously Eddie Howe has kept on up. In answer to

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that I think Sean Dyche has done a good job because relegation is such

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a hammer blow, then to get them straight back up is almost more of

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an achievement I think to keep that group of players together. This

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season has been remarkable for Burnley and yet I don't think he

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sometimes gets the appreciation as a young English manager that he

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deserves. I know we are alluding to there, basically the home form is

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out of this world, but away from home it is one point. But Sean Dyke

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deserves much more credit than he sometimes gets. Sunderland beating

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that West Brom yesterday, bottom of the Premier League. David Moyes

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after the game spoke about inheriting a losing culture. Does

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that ring true with you, Wes? Yes, a little bit. Out of the five seasons

:38:22.:38:27.

I was there, four of them we were always in trouble. I don't know what

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it is, it is hard to recognise what the problem is. It's not just the

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players, it is a bit of the club as well. When you get into that, the

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players have got to bring themselves out of it a little bit because luck

:38:45.:38:49.

is not just going to help at the moment. The defeat is disappointing.

:38:50.:38:58.

You talked about Sam Allardyce keeping things simple when he came

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in and bringing the dressing room together. Does what David Moyes...

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Seems frustrated in every interview. You can see that in his interviews.

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He's got some good players and they are not performing. They need to be

:39:21.:39:25.

doing better, they need the bigger players... Jermaine Defoe has been

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brilliant. He's been doing what he's been asked. The other players need

:39:32.:39:36.

to perform a little bit better because this has been going on for a

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few seasons now and there's no... If you look at Sunderland you say yes,

:39:43.:39:46.

Jermaine Defoe, there's not really anyone else you say. Do you think

:39:47.:39:50.

they feel sorry for themselves, some of other players? Maybe, but I was

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there and you have to get over that. Are they good enough now? Anichebe

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Came off the bench and that someone they turn to. Has he got the money,

:40:07.:40:11.

are his hands tied? The spark has got come from somewhere. He has his

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hands tied behind his back. It will be an interesting acid test. He has

:40:18.:40:28.

already been tested on Jermaine Defoe but how much ambition is there

:40:29.:40:33.

to keep the better players? How much ambition is there to stay up and

:40:34.:40:37.

maintain their Premier League status? I like David Moyes as a

:40:38.:40:40.

manager but he's been eaten away by it all and it must be demoralising

:40:41.:40:45.

but he is struggling to even stay positive. He has been linked with

:40:46.:40:51.

Jagielka, Lescott and Robbie Keane which either implies they think it

:40:52.:40:57.

is 2008 at Sunderland or there is no money. I don't think the money is

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there, he has been open about his frustration with the lack of

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funding. I Karanka described the atmosphere at the Riverside

:41:15.:41:17.

yesterday as awful and suggested fans were calling for urgent long

:41:18.:41:21.

balls and that was detrimental to the team, which goes back to the

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point that sometimes it's easier to play away from home in a relegation

:41:25.:41:29.

battle, but dangerous, as a manager, criticising your own fans? Honesty.

:41:30.:41:36.

Visit the north-east thing or just a football thing. We had it at

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Sunderland, especially with Gus Poyet it. It's difficult because if

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you are keeping the ball at the back, maybe holding midfielder, they

:41:46.:41:51.

just want to seek action. When you are not doing too well, when you are

:41:52.:41:56.

trying to play like that, the fans just want to see some action. It is

:41:57.:42:02.

the mentality maybe we are not trying to win. Effective football is

:42:03.:42:09.

what you want, isn't it? You want to get behind your team. I think fans

:42:10.:42:17.

is a big part of it. Even if you are losing, if the fans are behind you,

:42:18.:42:24.

the lads love it. It lifts them and it makes them want to do more. When

:42:25.:42:30.

it is done and it is doing and everyone is getting on your case, it

:42:31.:42:35.

doesn't help. Even though you are not really focusing on it, it is

:42:36.:42:42.

there in the background. The fans are like the 12th man for you,

:42:43.:42:49.

aren't they? When it is not going well. That's when you need them the

:42:50.:42:54.

most, just a bit of encouragement. We are nearly out of time, if

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Chelsea were to win against Hull it would be a very successful weekend

:43:00.:43:04.

for Chelsea. A remarkable weekend so far for Chelsea. They have gone

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through a difficult couple of weeks where they have suffered a first

:43:10.:43:17.

defeat, they have had the Costa fall out, and to go into this weekend

:43:18.:43:25.

stronger than ever is credit to Antonio Conte. They still have

:43:26.:43:30.

difficult games coming up. It is coming that through that, the next

:43:31.:43:35.

few matches will be tough but they are looking like champions already.

:43:36.:43:39.

But there's a long way to go and you cannot give up. Teams have been in

:43:40.:43:43.

this situation before and lost points. I remember when Arsenal had

:43:44.:43:51.

a ten point gap... All right, we are out of time, Martin! Who would have

:43:52.:43:55.

thought that would happen. Southampton against Leicester is 2-0

:43:56.:43:58.

and that's on 5 Live.

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Mark Chapman and guests discuss the talking points from Saturday's matches and preview Sunday's three Premier League games: Southampton v Leicester, Arsenal v Burnley and Chelsea v Hull.