22/09/2013 MOTD2 Extra

Hello and welcome to a brand-new show across the BBC this lunchtime,

analysing the week and's football. Wherever you are, whether you are in

garden, you should be able to stay in touch, because we are on BBC

garden, you should be able to stay BBC Radio 5 Live and on the BBC

Sport website. There is a lock to discuss this lunchtime, from Mata to

Di Canio to Everton to Southampton. discuss this lunchtime, from Mata to

We will try and cover them all over the next 45 minutes, with the Daily

Telegraph's football correspondent the next 45 minutes, with the Daily

Henry Winter, the BBC commentator Everton, Sunderland etc, Kevin

Kilbane is here. It felt less today Everton, Sunderland etc, Kevin

like the Premier League really kicked into action. Plenty of goals

and excitement after a tepid start to the season. Do you expect this

and excitement after a tepid start afternoon's game, the Manchester

season. It is too early for that. Some people have been saying it

season. It is too early for that. You have only got to look at the

table to realise how many different it might define the reputations

table to realise how many different the managers in the eyes of their

fans. Moyes with Manchester United, Etihad, that will cement him in

fans. Moyes with Manchester United, heart of United fans. And with

Pellegrini coming in, we don't know much about him in this country.

Manchester City fans have taken much about him in this country.

him, but they need a good result today to endear him to them. We

him, but they need a good result hear from Moyes and Pellegrini

before one o'clock, but Manchester United, this would be their third

already, having played Chelsea and does that make it a must not lose

rather than a must win? Possibly, that is a good thing, that so early

into the season... Yes, it makes a makes a difference for City. It

into the season... Yes, it makes a both managers' first Manchester

too early, as Henry says, to say mood will change. That midweek game

against by elevators and helped Moyes. It did not go well from a

Manchester derby is of course on BBC Radio 5 Live from four o'clock.

Manchester derby is of course on BBC four games are on Match Of The Day 2

this evening. One of those games, Arsenal against Stoke, John Motson

is at the Emirates, covering this game for us. Before we delve into

this game, Motty, this afternoon, five teams could go top of the

merely? That is true, and one of them are Arsenal. A nice story for

you as I am privileged to be the first outside report on your new

show, is that it is exactly 100 years, and Arsenal are celebrating

this anniversary today in various ways, since Arsenal football club

came across the River Thames in ways, since Arsenal football club

and became a north London club, which is where the rivalry with

Tottenham started. So they are celebrating that today by having a

special emblem on the players' auctioned for charity at the end of

the game. Also, you are right, Arsenal could go top, as could

Tottenham. But Mesut Ozil, making the Emirates crowd excited. There

are fans already in the ground today who have been telling me it reminds

them of the day Dennis Bergkamp papers, Arsene Wenger has already

made that comparison. So it sounds like an exciting day here. Does

made that comparison. So it sounds confident that they will get the win

over Stoke, who have started well? confident that they will get the win

over Stoke, who have started well? They have. And I saw their game

against Manchester City in the week, and Stoke looked like the better

have something about him all stop I team. It did strike me that Stoke

have something about him all stop I Marcuse thinks about starting with

him today. But I think the rest Marcuse thinks about starting with

solid style, but if you look at Marcuse thinks about starting with

stats, and there are enough of them, goodness me, it has already

been proved that Stoke are passing the ball more over shorter distances

than they did under Tony Pulis. Whether that means they are a better

team, time will tell. Is it possible to pick a side to win the Premier

League title at this stage? I was glad you did not ask me which three

were going down. When the season kicked in, I thought Manchester

were going down. When the season and Chelsea have the best squads if

Manchester United and Arsenal fans will argue with that. I am pleased

to see a few unpredictable results, Liverpool. I would like to see it

stay open as long as it can. Jose Mourinho seems to be not sure what

his best team is at the moment. Therefore, I will go with Manchester

City. I know Pellegrini has some settling in to do, but player for

player, Kevin will know that with four strikers, you can combine any

two. They have got those four, and their manager seems to believe in

them, whereas Mourinho doesn't. We will talk more about Mourinho and

Chelsea later. We will let you get Manchester derby and hear from both

managers. Manuel Pellegrini and David Moyes. You never know how

managers. Manuel Pellegrini and go. Going into the derby in good

managers. Manuel Pellegrini and form was never necessarily something

Playing at home against Manchester go, because it could go either way.

Playing at home against Manchester United, it is more important to

this game, we will have improved than not to lose. Rooney is a very

this game, we will have improved tactically, let's concentrate on the

two managers. Della Greaney said this week, I don't get fazed by

two managers. Della Greaney said derby -- Pellegrini. Wait till this

afternoon. If he has a bad result this afternoon, and similarly for

pleasant if they don't do well. this afternoon, and similarly for

is fantastic that he experienced that in Argentina, but this will be

nationally will be watching, so that in Argentina, but this will be

could be in for a surprise. I think David Moyes is beginning to look

like he is enjoying himself at Manchester United. It could have

gone either way for him. It is a job you will always want as a football

manager, but the reality of doing it can be intimidating. To me, he does

not look intimidated. I spoke to him on Tuesday night and he looked

happy. He looked like the Manchester difficult thing to get so soon into

his Manchester United career. But to me, he looks established now. I

his Manchester United career. But to it is early days, but he looked

comfortable in his role. To take over from Sir Alex, any manager

would have found it difficult. But he is an experienced manager, David

Moyes. On the back of the Mail on Sunday today, they have gone with "I

am the boss does quote, and Moyes has had to deny that Sir Alex is

Trafford. That was always going has had to deny that Sir Alex is

happen, because of the history of when Sir Alex died down. -- stood

down. But there has never been any indication of that? No. But firstly,

he has handled the Wayne Rooney indication of that? No. But firstly,

have pushed to have gone to Chelsea, situation really well. Rooney would

have pushed to have gone to Chelsea, necessarily play with too much

some of the defending. You listen to the Manchester United fans, and

some of the defending. You listen to Fergie's boys. That is how it is

Fellaini slot into midfield and looks good there. I think David

Ferguson. He will be approaching him looks good there. I think David

on a regular basis and asking what he thinks of this player. He will

give him that insight into every basis. Manchester City fans might be

throwing something at the television /radio/tablet on the basis that

throwing something at the television have not spoken much about them

throwing something at the television far, so we will do that after Guy

Mowbray, who is doing this game far, so we will do that after Guy

Match Of The Day 2 tonight, gives us Yes, we are hoping this will be

Match Of The Day 2 tonight, gives us first genuine blockbuster of the

Premier League season. We have had a couple of pretenders to that had

already, but they have not lived up to the hype. This one will meet

already, but they have not lived up expectations. Both teams come into

the game in great form after scoring This game has been a pivotal fixture

in the title race over the last couple of seasons. City at home

in the title race over the last United, you think back home to April

Kompany's header meant that City turned around the race. Then last

Kompany's header meant that City Persie's late winner for United

enabled them to go on a run and Persie's late winner for United

the title eventually at a canter. Even at this stage, both teams are

proverbial six pointer. We will Even at this stage, both teams are

Ferguson involved as Manchester United manager. You have to go all

the way back to 1947 for the last time I Manchester derby was played

front of a record crowd. I would put time I Manchester derby was played

front of a record crowd. I would put That is all right, then, as long as

Manchester City win this tactically? That is all right, then, as long as

think Patrice Evra is suspect. If you can get Navas isolated with

Patrice Evra, if you can put decent balls into the box with whoever

Patrice Evra, if you can put decent invariably score. That is the key

battle for me today, those two. You say whoever City play upfront. That

attacking talent they have brought in, you would say Vincent Kompany is

one of the most important players. We don't know David Silva will be

involved. David Moyes knows it is Wayne Rooney behind Van Persie,

involved. David Moyes knows it is brilliantly together. When Van

Persie hit the bar against Palace, it was sublime. But that has been

Manchester City, that the players who are there have responded. The

atmosphere at the Etihad is better now. Pellegrini has tried to play

with more wit. -- width. Sergio Aguero has been terrific. Vincent

Kompany versus Rooney will be one of the match ups of the season. I never

know what I am going to get from Man City. Seeing them against Newcastle,

they were outstanding even before thinking this is a real championship

winning side. Then they went to Cardiff. Even against Hull, they

produce a good performance. I think into this season. Helix fitter and

sharper than I have seen him for a sharper than I have seen him for a

long time. When he was training before the Scotland game, he was out

there for half an hour early, with one eye on the cameras. There was

all the speculation about Chelsea. But the England staff are seeing, we

have never seen him in a training session this Sharp. There were some

Ferguson in terms of his condition last season, but this season he

Ferguson in terms of his condition looked terrific. He has worked hard

in training. He has just got on looked terrific. He has worked hard

it. I want to move onto Saturday's games. We will start with Chelsea.

This may be a difficult question to answer. 48 hours ago Chelsea were

having their worst ever start in the Roman Abramovich either, and now

they are top of the table. Explain. For David Chelsea manager, possibly

with the exception of Jose Mourinho, being top of the league has not

with the exception of Jose Mourinho, enough. It is about the style of

play. Chelsea are top of the league. Did they play well against Phil

yesterday? Not particularly. But Jose Mourinho is different. He has

been given a licence that others thought they perhaps had. A VB

thought he had it, but quickly found out he did not. Only the other week

I was being told that Everton under Roberto Martinez had started badly.

unbeaten side in the Premier League. Things can turn quickly. Chelsea are

at Spurs next Saturday lunchtime. Things can turn quickly. Chelsea are

all change again? Probably. This is they lose against Tottenham, does it

all change again? Probably. This is Mourinho, I was right. There is

all change again? Probably. This is massive discussion about Juan Mata.

all change again? Probably. This is yesterday after the game. Juan Mata

Was there a particular reason for that and does he have a future

here? Yes. He has still adapt. He has to transform a few things in his

game. But he is a talented player. Talented players are the one that

you want, they are the ones capable. realities. Previously he was playing

here with two lines of four. It realities. Previously he was playing

very defensive. He was a Number realities. Previously he was playing

playing behind the striker. Now realities. Previously he was playing

are playing in a different way. realities. Previously he was playing

have to work together. We want him. All three are fewer desperate to

questioning Juan Mata. As soon see two men, he was heavily linked with

Wayne Rooney and Juan Mata going in the opposite direction. He obviously

workrate, whatever it is. He is talking about systems and how he

plays. That was not how they played last year? It was not. Chelsea

Juan Mata was in behind. That is how Juan Mata was in behind. That is how

they played last year. It would Juan Mata was in behind. That is how

Oscar or Eden Hazard. That suited Juan Mata. I saw him against FC

Basel. He gave the ball away. His initial instinct was not to sprint

They did not play in the formation been through this before with Jose

They did not play in the formation he has said last season. But if

They did not play in the formation looked at Chelsea yesterday, the

interchange does players. Oscar looked at Chelsea yesterday, the

the Number 10, the best player at the moment. You can understand why

the manager would want to channel scores, he tracks back. Keep its

passes on. I do not understand why Juan Mata has to either beyond the

bench or in the stand. If he plays out wide, he can come in. Yesterday,

Oscar moved out wide attendees and has came into the centre. -- and

Eden Hazard came into the centre. That was one of the successes of

yesterday. I feel some sympathy That was one of the successes of

Juan Mata. I do not think that the manager is right saying that you

cannot accommodate the three of them, Juan Mata, Oscar and Eden

successfully, under Rafa Benitez. He accommodate them. Juan Mata is the

successfully, under Rafa Benitez. He one that he will not accommodate at

the moment. For whatever reason one that he will not accommodate at

is, on current form, is Juan Mata worth a place in the side? Yes,

100%. Is Romelu Lukaku worth a place in the Chelsea side? Last week,

100%. Is Romelu Lukaku worth a place Jamie Robinson outside that they

being a title winning side? Romelu were a centre forward away from

being a title winning side? Romelu yesterday. Possibly. I do not think

you could say with any degree of yesterday. Possibly. I do not think

goals if he played for Chelsea upfront. He has never been given

that responsibility. It is how he Brom, and briefly yesterday, you

January, but contractually he cannot investigating on the Premier League

January, but contractually he cannot go back. He cannot go back. He could

but Everton will not release him any time soon. He will do well. I think

if you put him up top in that team, Fernando Torres does not look like

he will do it, there is not watch face in Demba Ba, the logic of

leading -- the logic of following -- the logic of allowing Romelu Lukaku

away does not make sense to me. Yesterday, when Everton brought

away does not make sense to me. on, it changed the dynamic. They

were able to hit it to him, straight to his feet, he was running in

behind. He is everything that you would want is a loan striker. On

current form, out of all the Chelsea Presumably they bought him because

they thought he was the man that would replace D-day drug bust.

they thought he was the man that Didier Drogba. I have a feeling

they thought he was the man that later on MOTD2, we will include

they thought he was the man that least one of Leighton Baines' free

kicks. We might include both of them. We want to know, if it gets to

England's last World Cup qualifier, qualify, who with me the England

left back? The details are the screen. -- who would be the England.

No argument, Ashley Cole, the best screen. -- who would be the England.

left back in the world. Leighton over the last 12 months. I was at

the hawthorns yesterday to witness Sunderland's defeat by West Brom.

The Independent has a patron of Paolo Di Canio. Why always me? By

his outburst, we are talking about Sunderland's shortfalls. So by

criticising his players publicly, he is actually protecting them. Whether

he is doing that consciously, going onto the pitch, trying to attract

the attention away from the team, do suffering from tension. He is on the

pitch, making signs. The Sunderland fans want to get their teeth into

something. The team is not playing particularly well, and Paolo Di

Canio has drawn the attention away from the side. They are not playing

recognise that. As long as the attention is on the manager, I think

the team will be in a better place. You are saying that he is taking it

all on himself. Good managers take the blame for bad results. Ferguson

was the master of that. He was at his most quotable in defeat. I do

not think that Paolo Di Canio is a particularly good manager. Despite

his success at Swindon? It is a completely different step up in

terms of dealing with the player power in the modern Premier League

dressing room, with great respect to players, particularly the way he

criticised John O'Shea, one of the most respected individuals in that

dressing room, he will lose a lot of faith with the players. One viewer

has got in touch to say, what about the stands with the fans at the

has got in touch to say, what about of the game? Is that damaging? The

glasses, with this gesture, that fans were not applauding Di Canio.

glasses, with this gesture, that sums it up. I have no idea what

he's, Paolo Di Canio. How can that benefit the football club or the

dressing room? It is almost like Phil Brown doing his half Time team

talk on the pitch. Not as bad. Almost. Mark Lawrenson said that

Paolo Di Canio would be sacked by Almost. Mark Lawrenson said that

Christmas and that Sunderland would be relegated. All the Sunderland

fans were saying, it is not about Paolo Di Canio, in what he has been

players' attitude, their diet. Five yesterday, he brought to the club.

He brought more to the club over the course of the summer. These players

that signed for Sunderland knew course of the summer. These players

and what they were signing for. You're not going to think that Paolo

Di Canio with the, you know, the You're not going to think that Paolo

sort of manager who is all arms around the shoulder, sensitive.

There are so many players that have been criticised by the manager.

There are so many players that have team-mates by the manager. Wearing

-- when you're in the manager's office, one-on-one, it is different.

But in public, it is difficult for a player to take that criticism so

openly. You all expect Paolo Di Canio to have a go at you. Any

manager would do that, but when Canio to have a go at you. Any

is so open like that? I did not Canio to have a go at you. Any

who would respond positively? Not a problem with the John O'Shea

who would respond positively? Not character. That would be water off a

ducks back to him. He would not character. That would be water off a

ducks back to him. He would not is tough. He will see the headlines.

He will see Paolo Di Canio going over to the supporters. This is

He will see Paolo Di Canio going man that has become very wealthy by

making strong decisions, and staying Remember, we are on Radio 5 Live,

BBC One and the BBC Sport website. Arsenal are unchanged from the side

that won in the Marseille game. Arsenal are unchanged from the side

means a home debut for Mesut Ozil. Mikel Arteta is on the bench. Stoke

made one change from the team which started the 0-0 draw with Manchester

City last weekend. It is a player that Motty also mentioned. He comes

in for his full debut. Ms Ozil has played -- mess at Ozil has played in

a couple of positions already. You could argue that Olivier Giroud

a couple of positions already. You more crucial player. Giroud is

stronger in his second season. Whether it is the training, he looks

sharper and fitter. The service Whether it is the training, he looks

is getting, if you look at the way Ramsey has been playing this year

and particularly this season, it was interesting listening to Motty

talking about the impact that Miss Bergkamp had when he arrived at

talking about the impact that Miss club. -- Denis Burke camp. -- Denis

pavilion. And his arms were full of pineapples and apples and fruits and

Whether Mesut Ozil will have that impact is different, but in terms

Whether Mesut Ozil will have that galvanised the club after a fairly

indifferent transfer window. Isn't galvanised the club after a fairly

indifferent transfer window. Isn't other early game is Crystal Palace

against Swansea. Alice making three changes from the side that were

beaten by Manchester United. Harry Bannon will make his first start for

Ian Holloway's side. Ashley Williams missed the win in Valencia midweek

for Swansea, but he returns to the starting line-up. Let's hear from

Michael, you have Ashley Williams back in your starting line-up today.

How pleased are you? What does it mean to have your captain back? It

is always important to have your important to recover injured players

as quickly as possible and have important to recover injured players

full squad to pick from. We still have a couple of injuries, but

things are looking better. We can always make changes from game to

game. You have gone with Vass quez upfront. What was the thinking

behind that? Well, we played two games this week and I think this

game could suit him, at least the We will talk about Palace-Swansea in

just a while here on Match Of The Day 2 Extra, but we are going to

got 74% of the vote, Ashley Cole under the desk! Leighton Baines

got 74% of the vote, Ashley Cole 26%. Have you? The only reason I go

for Baines would be on it is because I think offensively and attacking

players. Ashley might come out on top of Baines in other areas. But I

Right, we are going to come off top of Baines in other areas. But I

Grand Prix. How impressed have you been with Swansea's start to the

season, Steve? I saw them lose to Manchester United on the opening

day. It was not a 4-1 game. Quick story about Michael Laudrup, who is

a tremendously likeable guy. His brother Brian was working for Danish

television on that day. They had contractual obligation interviews

with sky and with us. His press contractual obligation interviews

turned down Danish TV. And his officer had gone, and Michael had

turned down Danish TV. And his brother had to drag him in to do it.

So there is a bit of an edge there. however reasonable he seems. I am so

full of admiration for him. I have warmed to him. He seems like an

extremely personable, intelligent, tactically astute person. I thought

know the red card helped enormously for them, but if Swansea can have

him for two years, and if it is for them, but if Swansea can have

to be two years, they should look on can hear that game on 5 Live sports

extra this afternoon, Crystal Palace against Swansea. I wonder whether

Southampton could be this season's against Swansea. I wonder whether

Southampton could be this season's Liverpool? All right, maybe not

Southampton could be this season's same as Swansea, but they certainly

have energy. I think Swansea will win the Europa League. They are

have energy. I think Swansea will up for that. If you look at their

selections and their manager, they will want to win a European trophy

Premier League, seventh or eighth, which is a realistic target for

other night, what a fantastic bit of ever to have played the game, and

other night, what a fantastic bit of an Olympian and when he went to

other night, what a fantastic bit of question. I will come back and ask

heard from Ian Holloway ahead of How will you miss your suspended

player and deal without him? He How will you miss your suspended

been a very important layer for How will you miss your suspended

KG. He is vital to our structure. It gives someone else in opportunity.

Hopefully, they will grab it. But he has played very well. Really want to

progression that Swansea have made gives us a hell of a chance to show

Henry, do you think Southampton season? No one has ever asked me

that, good question. In terms of their pressing, definitely. Their

manager's message is getting through to his players. Lambert looks like

he belongs in the squad. They have done good business in the summer in

terms of keeping Luke Shaw. I was Obviously, the players enjoy working

likeable guy. His tactics are also adventurous. Talking about the young

players like Luke Shaw, throughout the team, they have talented players

that have come up through the youth structure. But last season and the

well. I could not fathom what they were doing when he left the club,

but six months later, it has been a success story. And on the language

English. I was there towards the end of last season to do an interview,

and their manager came in and we chatted for ten minutes in pretty

decent English. For you or for him? And all the coaching happens in

English. His English is pretty decent. Just not in front of the

camera. Yes, I think he feels he is less likely to be misinterpreted if

he is interpreted from Spanish into English. Finally, we have not really

spoken about Cardiff against Spurs. We can hear from Jermain Defoe,

spoken about Cardiff against Spurs. has not exactly featured greatly for

Andre Villas-Boas this season. What has the manager said about

Andre Villas-Boas this season. role this season? He said he wants

me at the club. He said that last year, to be honest. There was a

me at the club. He said that last of speculation last season, and

me at the club. He said that last said, I know you are going to score

goals. But as a player, it is nice hearing that, but you want to play.

But it is a long season and there is hearing that, but you want to play.

a long way to go. Some players have made coming off the bench their

thing. Is that a role you would made coming off the bench their

happy doing? Not at all. I don't want to be sitting on the bench

happy doing? Not at all. I don't being an impact player. At the end

of the day, you want to start games. World Cup year, what does that mean?

It means everything. I have played in the World Cup before, and it

It means everything. I have played the best thing in the world. But I

it is based on merit. You have got to play well and score goals. That

is why it is even more important last year, he was playing his best

that I am playing this year. Do last year, he was playing his best

form for a few years as that lone times, and he was a real catalyst

for Tottenham last year. He was outstanding, finishing-wise. He

for Tottenham last year. He was fallen down the pecking order now

for Tottenham last year. He was outstanding striker he is. He can be

absolutely lethal. Eriksson also caught the eye. 11 million. I was

talking about him the other week. Absolute steal for Tottenham. He is

a finisher. And with Eriksson as well, the way he finishes, that

a finisher. And with Eriksson as perfect fit for Tottenham, those

was said in the interview. If Roy Hodgson takes four strikers and

everybody is fit, I am not sure Defoe is one of them. Cardiff is a

difficult place to go this season. Ask Manchester City. That was the

best game I have seen this season. When I say Defoe is not one of them,

that is if he is not playing. He has the ability to be one of them. That

is it for the first Match Of The Day 2 Extra will stop here is what is

coming on the BBC, football -wise.