22/11/2015 MOTD2 Extra

Good afternoon and welcome to programme Max. -- MOTD2 Extra. With

me we have the former Newcastle manager and coach John Carver. And

the football journalist Henry Winter and we want you to be involved. Drop

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Over the next 45 minutes we will discuss Jamie Adi scoring in his

10th consecutive Premier League game as Leicester go top. We

10th consecutive Premier League game Liverpool thrashing Manchester City,

Arsenal being beaten at West Brom and the injury crisis there and we

look ahead to the London derby this afternoon between Spurs and West

Ham. Loads on the back pages. For kissing on comments from Louis Van

Gaal saying he wants to get Cristiano Ronaldo from Real Madrid.

-- focusing. Goals have gone with artful Dodgers. Focusing on Mikhail

Arteta, Arsenal losing at West Bromwich. The Sunday Times... A

full-page picture of Jamie Vardy after his goal at St James's Park.

We start with him and Leicester. The fact they are top of the Premier

League. We will hear from Claudio Ranieri. A special day for Jamie

Adi. Fantastic. A great champion. He deserves this, he trains well. It is

important for him, but it's important for everyone in the club.

important for him, but it's The squad... I am glad because we

play like a team, that is important. You have managed a lot of really

great players in your career. Have you ever come across a goal-scoring

run like this? Yes, in Fiorentina, I you ever come across a goal-scoring

remember, there were 11 goals scored in 11 matches in a row. And I hope

Jamie Vardy could achieve this. Your team are top of the table. How do

you feel looking for? I feel good but also how the rest of the

people... I want to see what happens. Now we are in the big

matches and I want to see the reaction. Manchester United,

Manchester City, Chelsea, the next three teams to go to the King Power

Stadium. From the bottom of the table to the Premier League summer

22 games later, what a turnaround, John Hume at the game but what you

most? They have energy, they are hard-working. Not many superstores,

not many big signings. Jamie Vardy has equalled the record, he could go

on and smash it but they are hard-working. Honest, well

organised. We talk about how Nigel got them into this situation but he

had to find a way of playing with the players he had. But this man has

taken on to the next level. I think there will be a theme running

through the show, watching sites who looked like they are having fun and

playing for the manager. Give me the opinion of a striker before we go

on. I watched him for the past five games. He has different attributes,

he is deliberate. He runs ahead of the ball, great feet, looking to get

forward. Do a positive touch. He represents a different kind of

forward. Liverpool... Romelu Lukaku at Everton but Jamie is different,

he is direct, quick, deliberate. He is interesting in the Premiership.

Do you find that refreshing in an era dominated by statistics and pass

completions? There is someone who is direct and will run. He might lose

it from time to time but so what? Absolutely, Leicester need to be

like that, they need to be direct and hard-working and energetic.

Jamie represents that and for Leicester, that is what he is great

at. He has scored so many goals because of that approach and it

works. Do you give Claudio Ranieri a lot of credit. We go back to talking

about players playing with freedom, as a collective, does that come from

him? Nigel got them in the right frame of mind. They finished the

season superbly. With a player like Jamie... The greatest compliment

paid to him yesterday as well as the tweets congratulating him, but was

classy... Was the appreciation of the Newcastle United fans and

looking at it from their perspective, what you see with him

is what every fan wants. When he takes the shirt off, it will be

soaked with sweat because of everything he has given, the effort.

The Newcastle fans for applauding him and for the England connections,

the record... But also because they would like to see that from some of

their players. Absolutely, the thing for me that comes across, he is

humble. Newcastle fans didn't applaud him just the once, when they

went back to the centre circle, everyone stood up, myself included

and they applauded the achievement but said he was substituted with 20

minutes to go, the entire stadium, it was a bittersweet pill for me. We

lost the game but I was so pleased to be in the stadium to witness

that. The one thing about this guy and I talk about him being honest,

he would chase a paper bag in the wind and he is the catalyst for the

team. Everything stems from him. I see him working hard and you have

the midfield behind him, backing him up. I am quite happy. He sets the

standard for Leicester and everybody else plays off him. For years ago he

was at Gateshead. Scoring, getting booked. Look at him now. Fantastic.

Fans love that, the factories romance left in the game. He is not

a superstar, going back to what John said. It was represented last week.

The players want him to do well. It's not always about him, he is

allowed that the entire team wants to do well. -- a person. Every

single person that loves football wants him to achieve this. Derby

fans might not... Or other clubs in the East Midlands. I don't know.

Look at the statistics... Teams who have been leaders after 13 games in

the Premier League, ad of the last 12 seasons eight of them have gone

on to win the title. You're going to have two schools of thought, the

majority will go, it is Leicester, they are going to make it but some

people will go, why couldn't they come off particularly this season.

Manchester City, up there, they are supposed to be favourites,

Liverpool... Everyone says this is Arsenal's season and they slip up.

It would be one of the most extraordinary stories of all time,

arguably, going back to Blackburn Rovers 20 years ago in terms of

Leicester doing that. If Leicester get in the European position, there

will be street celebrations but what they are doing, it's one of the

great grounds in terms of noise, commitment of the players. And the

manager, I covered him at Chelsea, he was treated fairly. -- fairly

badly, he will be enjoying it. When I was at Newcastle under Kevin

Keegan, we went to the run, we almost won the championship... It's

amazing, you get on a roll, all of a sudden, you start thinking... This

could happen. Something strange could happen, you have already

said... The lack of one team wanting to get hold of the Premier League

and taking advantage of everybody else and that misfortune... You

never know. Ride it, enjoy it, see how far it takes you. But you have

to keep the psychology, you never know. Eventually, we are going to

come unstuck. What helps Leicester, it's similar to Southampton last

year, it takes the pressure. They have had a great season, no matter

what happens, whether they win the league or not, they have had a great

season is over teams coming up against them, it's difficult, they

have no pressure. It's going to be difficult for other teams to face

and it's going to be a positive for them. For too optimistic to say they

can challenge for the title but the gap shows Champions League

potential. Leicester against Manchester United, could be for the

title, one viewer says. One thing this be sure, Leicester aren't

getting relegated. Henry, Ken Newcastle get relegated? If they

carry on defending like that. Leicester, they put on... Get the

organisation, defensively sorted out, College Amy is in there. They

have had a few injuries. Don't leave your footing. McLaren is an

outstanding coach, whether he is an outstanding manager is another

debate. What is the difference, as someone who has done both? I think

Newcastle fans have been very patient. We all know what happened

last year but they have been patient, the club has communicated

well. In the past, there was little communication with the media, we

banned some of them and we did not communicate with the fans and we had

to put that right and Mike Ashley came out and spoke at the end of

last year and I think they are being patient. I saw a change for the

first time yesterday, I was in the stadium and I felt uncomfortable

with that because one thing that the fans desire and expect at St James's

Park is effort. But was the first time I have seen a lack of it this

season. One thing I will say, I think we have better players than I

had last season but they have got to stop producing that. Because you

will know a lot of those players, Steve McClaren has been brought in.

Or the mentally strong? Not really and I think if you look at the track

record, finagle behind, they very rarely come back and win or draw

against other is something not right in the make-up. But they have got a

guy in Steve Black who is a psychologist and fitness coach and

he's excellent. Now he will have to earn his money because what I saw at

Bournemouth two weeks ago and yesterday, there are issues there.

How do you make a group of players mentally strong? That is a tough

one. Whatever is going on in the mind it's not something you can

tweak, you can have conversations and you can talk but talk is cheap.

You have got to carry it out and do it, psychology in football is

difficult, a long-term process and we all know there is not a lot of

time, results have to start turning around. The key to it is

recruitment. Recruit the right personalities. We have not mentioned

Tottenham but I will say it, they have recruited British, English

players, Newcastle had the philosophy of going for French

players, Dutch... You don't know them as well. We have enough

contacts to find out our players, mentally, psychologically, we can do

more homework with due diligence. When you get players from abroad it

difficult to do that unless you are working with top layers. The

recruitment, for me, that has to be looked at, we have to try and buy

more... I keep saying we... Well, they are your club, you are found.

We have to start looking at the recruitment because as Jamie Vardy

has shown, there are non-league recruitment because as Jamie Vardy

That makes you recruit and develop and -- PDF reading.

That makes you recruit and develop always been kids

That makes you recruit and develop then they go... Alan Shearer is a

That makes you recruit and develop classic example. Why don't Newcastle

trap these kids and keep them locally and bring them through as

trap these kids and keep them you did with Chris Waddle. He came

in at 19. I think you used Michael Carrick as an example.

in at 19. I think you used Michael into the club, I was a director at

the time but we never... It was at the time but we never... It was at

research team said was not an avenue to get into the first team and could

not keep him, he to get into the first team and could

but there is an avenue now for young players. Armstrong is on long. I

will use him as an example. I had to keep him at St James's Park because

I had nobody else and I held up his development, the club did... They

I had nobody else and I held up his last season and the season making

the step up last season and the season making

Rotherham the championship. We slow down his development so... If a kid

is good enough you will get an opportunity and

is good enough you will get an more than Newcastle fans want, a

local lad, they would love it if he became the next Alan Shearer. You

would be furious if your became the next Alan Shearer. You

was held back from a playing point of view for that reason because

there was not anyone else. Yes, I think

there was not anyone else. Yes, I young players, they want to play, at

the bottom line, sometimes going on loan if the best chance for them.

But on the flip side, then the good enough, they think I can play in the

first team, I am good enough so it's a balance between like John said,

knowing the development of the player is better for them to be

playing week in, week out at a London club but knowing that

actually, if I have no players, they can come in as well so I think it's

a tricky balance. Do you feel guilty? I do, because I know his

parents really well. There is nothing I could do about it. Can you

imagine if I said, you can go to Coventry. I had no strikers. Then it

is the fans who are going to come from me. I had to sit down with his

agent and a boy and explain to him. In normal circumstances it's time

for you to go out on loan. You need real football. That's just one

player at one club. You can probably multiply that.

If you look at Chelsea, the players they have on loan and some of the

players coming through, one of the frustrations at Chelsea, why isn't

Loftus-Cheek being developed? They have a fantastic academy but

you want these place to have games. Loftus-Cheek is good enough to play

in the Premier League and Mourinho for some reason is not doing it, and

Abramovich... Not that anyone will ever talk to him... They have put a

lot of money into that academy. I watched an U21 game the other day,

he's a good player, but you can see, he's not getting regular first-team

football and he needs it. Next time you come on, can you ask Roman

Abramovich? John Cooper says, everything from the owner to the

managers to the players is wrong at Newcastle, could be a fantastic club

in the right hands but it's more a business than a football team. Tracy

says the players don't seem to care about the club or phones, just the

pay cheque. A.D. Says everything is going wrong, we made the wrong

appointment in McLaren and mentality is all wrong. #bbcfootball. Just to

make a final thing on that, Kasper Schmeichel is not the guests this

evening. Let's turn our attention to the game at the Etihad, Liverpool

thrashing Manchester City 4-1. If that day when you think everything

has gone to plan and gone right? I think so, but I think we deserve

credit for that, the way we went about our business, didn't give them

a second on the ball and going forward we looked very dangerous,

Camino, Philippe Coutinho, myself, all joining in. Is it a statement to

the rest of the league you are here now, in the top set? Possibly, but

we need to stop slipping up at home. These big wins go unnoticed when you

don't win your home matches and our home form has not been great this

season so it is something we need to get right but it's a great platform

today. Hopefully we can kick on. Manuel Pellegrini was bemused after

the game and described his team's performance as unbelievable, how far

were Liverpool sensational? I was at the Etihad, and I thought Man City

would win the game, because Aguero was back, and I thought Liverpool

were missing Sakho so I thought they couldn't do with Aguero but it was

the opposite. Coutinho, Roberto Camino, Emre Can, they were

unbelievable, almost like Barcelona at times. Like Lallana said, they

look like they were having fun, every time they went forward they

looked like they were going to score and the city four were all over the

place and Joe Hart's distribution was shaky as well. Liverpool could

have scored a lot more. I have got to say it's quite nice seeing a

manager who is smiling all the time! And I have to be honest, when I get

my next job, I'm going to be a bit more like Mr club. Are you going to

grow some stubble? I'm going to smile a lot! But it was a

magnificent result, I didn't see it, but I did listen on the radio, and

it seemed like an interesting game. I feel a bit sorry for Brendan

Rodgers because everybody is getting on the back of this thing about

teams pressing and working hard, I remember preparing a team with Alan

Pardew to go to Anfield, talking about how Luis Suarez and Sturridge

and Raheem Sterling and Henderson, Lucas, Steven Gerrard, pressed the

living daylights out of the team, so it's not something new, the wheel

hasn't been invented, what he has given them is a new lease of life,

and it's one of the easiest thing is, in my opinion, the coach how the

press, press from the front, as long as everybody is buying into it and

he seems to have that. Why don't more do it? You have to have the

right players, players who buy into it, it's not easy, it's hard work,

and I think it was Coutinho, who pulled up with hamstring is today

because he will have been working harder, they will be a bigger demand

on their muscles. It is easy with the right players, Barcelona of the

best at it because they have top players but also are prepared to buy

into what the manager wants and do it properly. They are buying into

the tactics and him, you can see the body language between him and his

players, they adore him, partly because of his personality, the

smiling demeanour and also partly because of his reputation, he was

this rock 'n' roll German manager, great press Conference, the image of

him in the past was always, I bet the players will love to play for

him, he will bring a bit of swagger back to Liverpool, the fans have

responded to him, you can see that with the banners and the players

love him. It's not him coming across saying how good he is, it's other

people saying it, he is just enjoying this. He has two because

there might be a time when he has a bad spell. But he is enjoying what

he's doing. It looks as if he has got a mean streak as well and it is

having that switch, when the did and when not to use it. For me,

Liverpool didn't always press, and for a player, sometimes when you are

asked to press, the best thing is when you see the rewards. The first

goal came from Kenya pressing Sagna, winning the ball back,

counterattack, G. Ash macro Coutinho pressing Sagna. Press -- pressing,

they will do it all day. People will say, Ian Rush was doing that 25

years ago. That was called defending from the front! But at the same

time, given what you said about Brendan Rodgers and how the players

would do something similar under him, he lost some of the personnel

but all the players who were playing yesterday were brought in by Brendan

Rodgers, so did the players have to take a little bit of a look at

themselves for not delivering so much under Brendan Rodgers because

maybe they won't enjoying it as much as they are under this new manager?

Possibly but let's go back to when Brendan was the manager, he lost

Sturridge, he lost Suarez, two of the main players, so straightaway

you are taking away his biggest assets, you have to find

replacements and a balance. Sometimes that takes longer than you

think. In Brendan's case it has done, but now Roberto Firmino has

come in, a new lease of life, sometimes a different voice makes

all the difference stop just by putting his arm around him, it might

have made him a better player. He might have treated him differently,

said something differently to him and he is reacting to it. It was

interesting to me watching Raheem Sterling he looked nervous, playing

against his former club, I wonder what he would have been like playing

under Jurgen Klopp, I think it got a bit stale between him and Brendan

Rodgers committee felt he wasn't going to go anywhere but same

players, who were playing under Brendan Rodgers, look like different

players under Jurgen Klopp, so it is a mentality thing that the manager

passes over but it's a test of time. We will see in eight or nine months'

time, whether the energy is still there. Gary says it is definitely a

mere blip on the road to the Premier League title for Manchester City.

Another one says that anyone can win it. Do you think it is still

Manchester City's to lose? They have such strength in depth, you do worry

about Aguero's hamstring. I still think Joe Hart is an outstanding

goalkeeper, they are just so much better as a team when Vincent

Kompany is there. Do you think there was one eye on the Juventus game in

the Champions' League next week? I'm sure Vincent Kompany will want to

play every game, you such an organiser, not just the goal threat

at corners, it is his personality in the dressing room, he has been there

a while, it's almost like he is an old school play, these are the

standards of the squad, make sure you deliver stop my worry for Man

City is, what is their priority? We've thought about them not

succeeding in the Champions' League. Now everybody is making a big thing

about the Champions' League, have they taken one eye off the Premier

League and will put their resources into winning the Champions' League?

Maybe this week if they get a result against Juventus, they will finish

top of their group and they will refocus. It is a tough place to go.

They dropped Otamendi yesterday, who has been on form, it was a bit of a

strange decision and a few of the fanciest they were saying the same

thing. Maybe that was an indication that they did have an eye on the

Juventus game, they are top of the group, why sacrifice a big game

against Liverpool for the benefit of the game on Wednesday? Will Vincent

Kompany play on Wednesday night? Big decisions. It will give you some

indication. Let's move on to the game in Spain last night, El

Clasico, the meters under pressure after Real Madrid were beaten 4-0 at

home by Barcelona -- Rafael Benitez under pressure. The Madrid fans were

waving their hankies by half-time. They whistled them back onto the

pitch after half-time, it will hardly lift the players for the

second half. I saw a Tweet this morning saying the only thing

working well at the moment are the stadium, as they turned the song

that they play at the end up so loud for people not to be able to hear

the muscles and the courts for the president to resign, you can imagine

what the city is like in the morning after being beaten like that. Is the

vulnerable? Very much so. The players wanted Ancelotti to stay,

and the big players in the dressing room in particular. So it was always

going to be difficult for rapper Benitez. It is only the second

defeat, but these are the only games that matter, when you are Real

Madrid manager, it comes down to three or four games, games against

Barcelona and the Champions' League semifinals. To lose and be so

outplayed, it will be difficult for him now, it feels like he is the

interim guy again, he will be there till the end of the season in an

attempt to not cause to me problems changing manager mid-season. Then

who would say look to in this circus? 'S Dan is always in the

background, he doesn't seem to have the same urgency that quality land

Luis Enrique had. -- Zidane. He is not doing a great job with the youth

team, but it is a completely different job taking over this first

team with superstars, he is there but I'm not sure he would want to

take on a team mid-season... Not when he would rather start at the

beginning of a season, that creates a problem for Madrid, who do they

turn to if Zidane doesn't want it. I've got in front of me, all the

Sunday papers, at least six them have got Louis van Gaal making a

move for Cristiano Ronaldo. You heard from Spain, how much truth

would you put in rooms? -- rumours? It feels like the Russian ship is

coming to an end, he has won the Champions' League, beaten the

scoring record -- Diva relationship. Maybe it is time for him and the

club, if they feel they could get anywhere near the kind of money they

paid for him back in 2009, that would be fantastic business, for him

to score the goals he has scored and won the trophies he has won, so I

think they would want it to happen. There is definitely interest from

PSG and from Manchester United, my dad is, would he really want to go

back and almost sour the memory? -- my doubt is. The Premier League is a

hard league to play when you're coming towards the end of your

career, although he will only be 31 at the end of the season, I'm

wondering whether he will lean towards Paris rather than

Manchester. Thank you. What would be the

attraction for Manchester United in bringing him? You can understand

when Louis Van Gaal comes up with headlines like this because he will

not say that he does not want him. It merely puts pressure on one or

two of his current players and sends a message to the board that they

need to invest. I think it would be great to have Cristiano Ronaldo back

in our country. Among one of the greatest players in the world, among

the greatest of all time. Even at 31... If he came back. Sometimes

these really intelligent players look at the career partly through

the prism of international football and if his last chance of a World

Cup will be in Russia at 33, does he want to have a gruelling Premier

League season before hand? I am not sure he does. We ought to read the

quote from Louis Van Gaal because it is slightly different to how the

headline reads. In a sense he was asked whether he was looking at

Cristiano Ronaldo to which he said, of course, we are looking at all

players not just him but these are mostly on gettable. With Cristiano

Ronaldo, let's wait and hope. This is a hypothetical question but let's

say they got him for 60 million or Gareth Bale for 100, and they could

only get one of them, which one should they go for? I think Gareth

Bale. He has a lot more years than Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of his

longevity. Gareth Bale for me, is a player that can integrate better

with the team, he has played in the Premiership, Ronaldo has as well but

he is a grand figure but almost becomes a world unto himself and I

think that might be difficult in a Manchester United team that is still

growing so I would go for Gareth Bale. The marketing department would

want Cristiano Ronaldo because he would pay for that 50 or 60 million

in the season, commercially. Gareth Bale would as well, but more in this

country, maybe? If you are appealing to Latin America, the Far East...

Gareth Bale for 100 or Cristiano Ronaldo? Cristiano Ronaldo, I am on

a short-term contract, Louis Van Gaal, I want someone of his ability,

still in peak performance and I want him now. He has been to Manchester,

he will not need time to settle, he can go into the team and that team

is defending well, he might be the missing ingredient that the manager

needs. He will not be bothered when he gets to the end of the season if

he has him in the team and he has won the championship and in two

years' time he is off on the beach and celebrating. Is a lot of this

wanting to bring him back based on the starter, he speaks fondly of Sir

Alex Ferguson but he is not there any more. The first time he was

there he grew with the team, they grew together but now he will come

into a younger team as the main man and that is a completely different

dynamic. As a manager you cannot make decisions on nostalgia, you

must do it on professional reasons, is he good enough, at peak

performance, he is at the moment, scoring goals of the national team.

Scoring goals and Spain, why not take him now? 40 million less. I

think it's a hypothetical question. It is, but it is on every back page.

I think the quote, like you said, it is a little bit different to the

actual headline. But yes... I think Gareth Bale is a lot more... I do

not think there is a huge difference between Gareth Bale and Cristiano

Ronaldo, to be honest, but I think Gareth Bale is probably more likely

to come back to England than Ronaldo. He might not want to come

back. I think there is talk about him going to the MLS or Paris, if

you people trying to get him in the MLS earlier in the year. A new team

being created in LA. If Gareth Bale... It would be good for him if

now the moved on. One viewer has said, Ronaldo, wake up and smell the

roses, you are going no where in Spain. Bring Gareth Bale with you.

If I had read that out before I wouldn't have to take task that

hypothetical question. Some key games were you? Germany next week.

That is a friendly. Yes. And unfriendly friendly! But yes, a

great game. Always difficult to play them but laying them after you beat

them at the World Cup for third place, that's another story. A

difficult game but I think one that we need because we play a lot of

qualifiers that we are expected to win so we need to have these

difficult challenges going into preparations for the European

Championships. When you play Bosnia, this time next week, next Sunday...

Is that a game that you would expect to win five, six... You do not take

anything for granted, you still must perform but these are teams that

England is expected to beat and in terms of a challenge, it's not... Is

that enjoyable? Obviously scoring goals is enjoyable but... Is that

what you really want at this stage when you are playing competitive

game after competitive game, in the League as well, is it a bit of

game after competitive game, in the anti-climax? I suppose for four word

game after competitive game, in the it is nice. You see the goal hit the

back of the net but it gets difficult in those games because you

start... All habits start creeping and you don't do the things you

admit the and when you get to the European

Championships, you need enough challenge and experience

Championships, you need enough right, we are ready to

against many, the USA, but to be fair we have friendlies set

against many, the USA, but to be us experiences as well as obviously

playing qualifiers. Is club football more competitive than a lot of

international is? Definitely, I would say so. It's a competitive

league, Chelsea won it by two points. This year, last year, it was

won by a goal. I think it's very competitive, week in, week out,

tough games. At international level you play lesser nations. I want to

come onto the game this afternoon, the London derby, Spurs and West

Ham. Let's touch on the Arsenal defeat at West Bromwich. From an

Arsenal friend of mine who text at me and said it was a very Arsenal

like defeat. No leaders and to injuries? Injuries, and on goal...

Comical penalty. In a season that they could win the league and there

is a lot of pressure... There is a culture in the club, whether it's

the leadership in the boardroom, you wonder who is completely in charge.

To the dugout... Arsene Wenger runs the club but in terms of the

individuals on the pitch, is Mikhail Arteta the right one in there? There

is something going on with injuries, whether it is the pitch, the

intensity of training, the challenging, I don't know. I do not

go and watch training but something is going on. Maybe it is the way

they play, quick passing, they almost invite challenges and they

get caught. Jack Walsh was unlucky with Paddy McNair, go back to that.

Something has to be sorted out in the medical side because when they

are fit, they are formidable. So many comments on the injuries, every

season, we will not win the Premier League with them in the squad. No

depth in the squad, the bench offers little. Pete says it's not the lack

of class, its injuries, no team suffers such bad luck. Arsene Wenger

is a genius in getting them in the top four without spending a fortune

but he's also a fool not to spend what's available. If you have

consistent injuries as a coach or manager what would you do? We have

had a lot of injuries at Newcastle, this season, last season, you look

to different things, sports science, on the pitch, are they to firm or

soft, are we overworking them, do we give them enough rest, are we

working them hard enough? You look at every small detail and you need

an answer. But there is a trend in the Premier League of a lot of

injuries at a lot of clubs and that perhaps is the intensity of the

games. The quality is not as good as it used to be but the intensity is

getting bigger and stronger. Do you think there's an element of the

medical sciences so good, they can get players back quicker which means

they break down. I think you're right, plus the demand. If you are

not carrying a huge squad you want to play someone back quicker and you

don't want to do this, but you do and sometimes you force them back to

early, he picks up an injury, he's out for another six months so you

find the fine balance. Arsenal should not have the problem, they

have a huge squad, they have ten or 11 injuries and that's an awful lot

and that will affect whether they win the championship. An astonishing

amount of injuries and it must be something to do with training

loading. Chelsea, there is a period of culture, the loading, the amount

of training you do is measured and it's deliberate. If five or ten

players are getting injured with similar muscle injuries there must

be a correlation between the loading. When you talk about loading

are you talking to each individual player? The training load. For

instance, a certain amount of sprinting in the session... That

needs to be measured. For each player. It cannot just be, this is

the session, this is what we do, there needs to be someone standing

there and measuring. It gets measured at Newcastle, I have a

sports scientist coming to me saying, he can't do any more, he's

vulnerable. Sometimes managers ignore that and when they do that,

the player breaks down, you have to trust these guys. Did you tell a

player when he was in that zone because the reverse argument... If

the player knows he is in the red zone or whatever, but can

psychologically... It was my job to make the decision and I would say...

Right, we will not do any more, and take the group in and the following

day, we were allowed to train high intensity. You make that decision.

That against six at White Hart Lane today. You can see it on Match of

the Day later. Henry, do both of these sides have a chance of

finishing in the top for? We have about 20 in the top four, the way

things are building up. Spurs, look at them, Mauricio Pochettino and

what he has done. You look at Kieron Dyer. In a couple of years, possibly

with England, they are working incredibly hard. They all deliver

for the manager. There will be a lot of focus on Delie alley this

afternoon and Eric Dyer. They have got to understand this is the start

of the journey. They are both intelligent, driven individuals. I

think that Spurs can ride this wave and will help England. They have not

lost since the first game of the season against Manchester United and

what I like about the manager, he is going the radar, creeping along

quietly file everyone has been making a fuss about Chelsea,

Arsenal, Manchester United not playing well, he gets on with his

business. All of a sudden, in a great position and I think they have

a great opportunity in the top four, definitely. Given how West Ham have

done this season, the away performance, they can easily add

another scalp? Yes, I think so. But West Ham are a different team.

Players have brought creativity, chances. Tottenham... They are team

that played for the manager, high energy, they have not lost but for

me, whispers, it's the same thing every year, they are doing great and

it comes to the end of the year and they are out of the top force of the

real test will be can they get in the top four, can they perform

towards Ian of the season? It feels different quickly because they have

gone under the reader, -- under the radar. A great manager, hard-core,

English players who understand how the manager wants to play. They have

bought into it. They had all the money and they spent it and they

brought in so many different players, they didn't wait. We are

just about out of time. Thank you so much to my guests. Spurs against

West Ham this afternoon, kick off at 4pm. Goodbye for now.

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But, no, no, no, no, no, a minute ago I was a noble Native American.