27/08/2017 MOTD2 Extra

Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two

There are eight Premier League titles in the studio,

shared between ex-Arsenal defender Martin Keown and former

Henry Winter, the Times' chief football writer, is also with us.

Get in touch using the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media

Late drama on the south coast, where Raheem Sterling scored -

and was sent off - deep in injury time,

Eddie Howe's side are yet to win a point.

As are West Ham - the pressure's growing on Slaven Bilic

There's also four Premier League games today, including

Team news to come from Stamford Bridge, and also

And we'll look ahead to Liverpool against Arsenal at 4pm.

Most of the papers focusing on transfers, with deadline day coming

up on Thursday. The Express - Klopp's in Ox Hunt,

saying Jurgen Klopp wants to hijack Chelsea's move for Alex

Oxlade-Chamberlain. The Sun - City close on Jonny Evans

and Virgil Van Dijk pleads The Mirror says Everton will bid

?40 million for Jamie Vardy. The Observer - Guardiola fuming

at Sterling's red card. Manchester City's Raheem Sterling

was shown a second yellow card after celebrating his 97th minute

winner at Bournemouth. This was Alan Shearer's view

on MOTD last night - It's just impossible to think

straight come to have any rationale whatsoever. I have got to say this

come but that's the law! I have spoken to the referees tonight and

they tell me that they have no choice, that is the letter of the

law. They don't want to do it. So, we score the winning goal in the

last minute, let's compose our thoughts and what back to the half

way line and let's kick off again. Do me a favour, please! Raheem

Sterling is still on the grass. He's two Yard is over the touchline. He

knows he can't do that! OK, he can't do it channelled by the letter of

the law, Mike Dean should book seven Manchester City players because they

have just jumped on him. It should be seven come including Mendy! Come

on, do me a favour! I couldn't work out whether Phil

Neville was laughing nervously at the anger of Shearer! As a

goal-scorer yourself, Andy, you would agree with everything Alan

Shearer said? For sure, what are you supposed to do, scorer gold, 97th

minute, do nothing?! It doesn't happen. When can you celebrate? I'm

decimated that it is Mike Dean. A little bit of common sense. I will

come onto Mike Dean in a moment! But what is really fascinating is, we

were discussing it fair about what goes through your when celebrating,

and this is more for Andy thank you! When you're celebrating a goal,

that's what you're saying, you are in the moment, you're not thinking

where you know to celebrate? Of course you don't waddle it's a

feeling that is very, very hard to explain what you're feeling when you

score a goal, and we're talking in the 97th minute, basically, you've

nicked the win, what are you supposed to do? Let's celebrate,

that's what football is all about, celebrating. There is that feeling

of elation, they know they can do it, it's a vital three points. It is

special circumstances at Bournemouth's ground as well, it's

such a small little ground. I know it is the rule book, but very

quickly, you're into the crowd, aren't you? There is an interesting

point here, Henry, we've spoken to referees as well, and last week,

when we were watching Spurs against Chelsea at Wembley, Marcos Alonso,

who had been booked, got his second goal and ran off towards the Chelsea

fans. Now, he doesn't go into the Chelsea fans, because actually it's

impossible to do that at Wembley, you can't actually get to the fans.

So, in many ways, Raheem Sterling is partly been punished here because

the fans are very close to the touchline at Bournemouth, and he's

being punished for the reaction of the fans. And I am not criticising

them the reaction of the fans. We should go back to the law book and

change the law. There is a difference between what Fifa

suggests... Explained that. With Fifa, because they crossed the

referees more, there is an element of discretion, they can decide,

because they understand the situation and the emotions, as Andy

was articulating. The FA is very much... And so it is a question of,

who is going to miss next weekend's game, Mike Dean or Raheem Sterling?

Clearly it's something the FA have got to address, because it's such an

irritating thing. I will ask you a question, who would you prefer to

miss the game come Mike Dean or Raheem Sterling? I wouldn't mind if

Mike Dean Mr -month! But we live in an age now come the celebrity age,

where the players are increasingly cut off from fans and what you saw

there was Raheem Sterling going over and wanted to share his joy with the

supporters at all Sergio Aguero standing up for a Manchester City

fan who was being over-aggressively manhandled by a steward. Aguero was

wanting to help him out of. So, we've got to have a balance, the

authorities have got to say, let's open up this game a bit more and I

would imagine most referees would rather use common sense in

circumstances like that and not book him. Do you have sympathy, Andy, for

Mike Dean, in that it feels like the authorities don't allow them to use

common sense? No. No sympathy at all? Not at all. As a referee, we

keep talking about referees understanding the game, if Raheem

Sterling had actually run off the pitch, the punters are on the pitch,

the stewards are on the pitch, what is he supposed to do? I've got no

sympathy for Mike Dean at all. We have to give Mike Dean the

opportunity to use discretion comment don't we? That game now

against Liverpool has been denied a great player. Listen, I think we've

talked about this one enough, Man City have got a huge squad, and who

cares, but we are now not going to have Sterling's services in that

game. This one says come common sense is a very commodity in the

world, why would you expect to find it in a referee and?! John in

Liverpool - if you have so much time added on in injury time, is a fan, I

can understand wanting to celebrate with the players, however, I am also

an occasional steward and we must maintain the safety of the players

and fans. What stands out on that one before we get onto the actual

football, it's the fact that he's and occasional steward comma which

so many of them are. They are brought in, some of them are young.

I have sympathy with the stewards under police, because of what is

going on in the world, and there is an extra sensitivity in terms of big

events. In general. Less sympathy for the steward on that fine,

surely? Absolutely, I thought he was completely out of order. The way

they handled that was really poor, eventually coming out at ten o'clock

and saying there was a misunderstanding with what was

alleged earlier. Bournemouth have got to look at their internal

security arrangements, have a word with actually and with the match day

commander and make sure that does not get repeated. Martin is right,

there is a design issue with a ground like that. But just because

the fans have got this proximity to the pitch does not preclude the

players from going and celebrating. As far as City themselves are

concerned, what you saw yesterday, everybody knows this, the attacking

options that they have at their disposal? Well, it's amazing to

watch. The Premier League gets ever stronger, and you're looking at the

pace that these teams will have now. You've got Liverpool and Arsenal

today, a huge amount of pace on the pitch, match at a city the same.

It's a nightmare for defenders, without doubt. Against Everton last

week I thought they struggled to handle the pace they were up

against. So, every team has got that, it makes the Premier League

even stronger. There were fewer players had to worry about in my

day, the likes of Andy and Shearer and so on. Every team nowadays is

equipped with pace common which makes defending difficult. At the

same time, the options, if you are one of those options, can it be hard

to find a rhythm if you are in one week and maybe out for two weeks?

Very much so. If you look at City, I think possibly the best centre

forward in the Premier League, Aguero, is on the bench. But the boy

they have got up front, Jesus, is a quality player as well. So it's

very, very tough. You can talk about rotation, as a centre forward, it's

very, very difficult, but everyone is going to get a game because the

season is so long now. Do you like them as a partnership? It can work,

definitely, they're two quality players. Aguero, if he can stay fit

for 38 games, I think he will be absolutely phenomenal. And also the

problems that they create for defenders, very rarely have to play

against two strikers. Central defenders have been spoiled for

years playing against one striker. All of a sudden, it's a different

problem. I like Aguero's reaction, he could have said come up and hire

not dying to play second fiddle. -- he could have said, I'm not going to

play second fiddle. But he came off the bench and he was fantastic.

Please get in touch with us, still an awful lot on Sterling coming in.

This one says come I've got no sympathy for him at all come it was

not harsh is all about safety. This one says, what about the fans, we

spend all of our money to go away, why don't people ask us? That's what

we want to see! Keep them coming. For Manchester United, three wins

out of three, it took awhile to break Leicester yesterday but as

they said after the match, last season, that might have been the

kind of game that they would have drawn? Yeah, I think it is about

momentum for them, about moving the ball quickly. The pace, again,

Martial and Rashford. I like the way the manager is able to get the best

out of the squad, people getting important goals coming off the

bench. Mourinho looks like he is back in the zone again, he's

buzzing. He's that predator again, he's thinking clearly, making all

the right decisions. And the players are really performing for him. I

heard Ferdinand talking yesterday, Rio Ferdinand, that he has been in

the dressing room and you can sense that they think it is back again,

that winning feeling. He's almost done it overnight, they're looking

really strong at the moment, but it's that consistency. The two

managers, Shakespeare took two players off, which actually, given

the work they do, Mourinho look at that and thought, is going to be a

bit of space here, and he put Rashford on, who scored very

quickly. I think Mourinho has said that that will be it for the

transfer window, but can use to see why he might want a winner? I can

see it, I could see he might want to bring in more players, a manager

always wants options. The more options you have, the better for

yourself and your team, but the way they have started this team, I don't

think you could ask for anything else. Left-back, if they could get a

Danny Rose... I could see that, I still think Luke sure has got a big

future, I really do, we all need a bit of love when it comes to

football. But Mourinho is not great at giving love. I think he could be

established for the next ten years, but Mourinho doesn't necessarily

like individuals who do not stand up to the challenge, in his perception.

Around October last year, Martial and Luke Shaw fell out with him at

Watford comma Martial went off with a head injury, he fell out of love

with those two. Martial has found a way back in and surely he can do

that for Luke Shaw as well. He's a player with great talent, he cannot

just disappear. And also, is there not a responsibility as a map of

what he has been through injury-wise as well? Definitely. You can't be

expect it to be out for 12 months or whatever it is and then come back.

Mentally, that's tough. I still think he's got a massive future.

He's a young man, he's got a long way in front of him. Just one bit on

England. You raved about Harry Maguire last season - he's started

this season well, would you start him for England?

In a four, used the ball really very well. He's strong, quick,

intelligent. This fella was playing at 16 years of age. All the clubs

had a chance to take him. No-one took him. He's sliding in through

the back door. Fair play to Gareth Southgate for finally seeing what he

has. We'll go to our first lunch time game of the afternoon. West

Brom against stoke and Stamford Bridge, it's Chelsea against

Everton. Guy Mowbray is there for Match of the Day 2. Looking like a

glorious afternoon in south-west London. Are you expecting Chelsea to

be the busiest of last season's top six off the field this week? Yeah,

afternoon Mark, afternoon everybody. The London clubs in general could be

busy. Antonio Conte is certainly intending to be. He channelled his

inner Alan Hansen where he said the club has to make a choice. Do they

go for the title or going for younger players. If that's not a

hint about trying to win with kids. He's is prepared to pick players but

only if they're ready. It will be an interesting few days ahead for him.

Everyone who played regularly or as a sub has been replaced. Down to cab

area row replacing Begovic. He needs one or two more. They have a young

bench. He doesn't want to push too hard. If the Chelsea owner feelings

they've been backed sufficiently, they have spent a fair bit of cash.

There's only one winner in that argument. I saw the ticker go across

the screen with the teams on it. It is looking more like a Chelsea

starting XI today? It is. He's brought Fabregas back in today. It

is not the problem with the 11. It is the ones on the fringes. He needs

experienced heads. They have Tomori. I'd love to see more of that.

Clearly, Antonio Conte doesn't feel his younger players are ready for

the rigours of the Premier League. As far as Everton is concerned a

second tough away game in less than seven days? It's been a brutal

schedule for them. Manchester City then Split and here. Somewhere where

they haven't won for 23 years in the league. It's hardly ideal

preparation. I hope they get well rested. After the inter nationality

break they come back with Manchester United and Tottenham. What a start

tor Ronaldo man. They started their competitive season earlier than any

other team. They've played six games. Wayne Rooney's playing all of

them. A regular starter again. Little wonder he has announced his

retirement from England duty. To echo the tributes paid to him this

week, record out field appearances and goal scorer, I reckon he's

earned the right. Thank you very much. Guy doing that game for Match

of the Day tonight on BBC One at 10.35pm. We were at the Manchester

City game on Monday, Henry. He covered every blade of grass, did

Wayne Rooney. He was unbelievable. He ran more than any other Everton

player. What was great, the bond between players and fans, you look

at Rooney now, he is playing for the love of it. He's very wealthy but

it's fantastic to see him going there. We have this perception of

players playing for the money. Rooney's playing for that shirt. The

pride when he told his family he was coming back to Goodison and playing

for Everton. The fact he'd been making that admission he's been

wearing Everton pyjamas for 13 years. He will be able to rest up in

international week and have a fantastic season. Doubtless there

will be a clamour in April, May to see him go to Russia. And he's

playing for a manager who now believes in him. We were told last

seen on Rooney's finished. Too many miles on the clock. He'd lost that

desire. It was accolade after accolade. Breaking Manchester United

goal scoring record, England goal scoring record. He's back with a

vengeance. It is an excellent signing. All the players look up to

him. A great signing for Everton. A massive signing. I'm one of his

biggest fans. I could never understand why people disrespected

him so much when he went through a bad patch. Saying he was past his

best. He's been England's best player for many years. One of

Manchester United's mainstays for how many years. Seeing him going to

Everton and scoring goals doesn't surprise me at all. As Henry alluded

too, he looked like he was enjoying it on Monday night. There have been

times where he looked like he hasn't been enjoying it. How he responded

on social media virtually straight after the game, looked like he was

enjoying it. Arm in arm with gawd Yeo had an at one point. Without

going all hippy on him, he looked as if he was at peace with himself. He

did, didn't he? What is football about? Enjoying yourself. As a

professional footballer you want to enjoy yourself. We spoke at the top

of the show about Raheem Sterling enjoying himself celebrating a goal.

That's what Wayne's doing. If we can't do that as players, we

shouldn't be doing what we're doing. Yet, they're still looking for

another striker by all accounts. The papers this morning have themming

linked with Vardy, Deeney and Diego Costa. If they take Vardy there,

that is a massive intention. Vardy's looked really sharp at the start of

the season. Caused Arsenal lots of trouble. Sigurdsson coming in

scoring a goal midweek from 50 yards. That's another great... A

massive if though? What, Vardy coming? ? Yeah It is. Maybe it is

paper talk. The Evertonians believe their club's being turned around.

For years they watched with envy Liverpool buying players. They're

spending money. A lot came from Lukaku. More's coming from sheerer,

the new owner who's come in. I was at the Finch Farm on Friday. There's

such a buzz about the place and the new stadium that will be built. They

will be sad to leave Goodison Park because of the atmosphere. It is a

club going places. You must be tempted if you're a player, this is

a team worth joining. There's a good mix with Jagielka, will Yanns.

Keane. Koeman as well is a manager what wants to go places. He sees

himself as a top manager. He'll see himself as a Barcelona type manager.

You keep pro striding me money, I need to keep these players. I wants

to get into that top four. Unlike Chelsea, he's giving the kids a

chance. There were eight kids on the pitch on Monday night. Some are

brought in from elsewhere like Keane. But fantastic to see the

development. Great for the national team as well. Immense against

Manchester City. His pace surprised me, how goods he was. Vardy, Deeney,

Costa, all three are very different players. So, which one will be a

best fit for Everton? If you're going to keep Wayne in the team,

Vardy. I think we all know what Wayne can do very well. Drops in the

hole. Lets people in. It gives him more space. If you're looking at it

like that, I would go for Vardy. Are any of those rumours realistic? I

think difficult. Possibly Vardy. He is the most tempting one. Why take

Costa when he wants to get to Athletico Madrid? The Texan tweets

are coming in on Raheem Sterling. This one, "I totally disagree with

sheerer. Do the rugby league, union players scoring a late try celebrate

like that or cricketers getting a century or double century. Do any

other sportsmen celebrate like Sterling. Pathetic about not

accepting responsibility". Obviously not a football fan. The last bit

says Manchester United fan. Might be coming to if from a certain angle. I

can't agree with that. My time at Manchester United, we done it a few

times, getting a last minute goals. I think the manager's done it a few

times as well. It happens. I have to say, I do see rugby union and rugby

league players celebrate tries like that and getting jumped on. Rightly

so. ? To be fair, if a cricketer scored a century or a double

century, it is a long way to run to celebrate with the fans! West Ham

defeated at Newcastle yesterday by 3-0. Three defeats. Ten conceded so

far this season. I have to admit they were simply better in

everything. Especially in determination, wanting to win the

second balls and wanting to make a good transition when they were

winning those balls. After that, of course, comes the quality because

you are coming with the ball in a good area. We didn't deserve

anything today from this game. He doesn't look good there, really.

Like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders. He looks

like a broken man. They haven't been able to play a home match because of

the World Athletics Championships. It's gone from bad to worse. He was

talking about the positives against Southampton. Clearly, yesterday,

when you're losing against Newcastle, another team in big

trouble themselves, a lot of question marks with the football

club. It looked like they were all over the play. Font sitting on the

bench. Players completely out of form. Lanzini again coming in not

really making things happen. Antonio coming back. They're slowly coming

back into the team but there isn't a team. They are not gelling together

as a group. You wonder is it going to be time they changed the manager?

Only three or four matches. It seems so early in the season. He'll have

to have a good look at himself. Is he up for the job? He didn't look

like it yesterday. Looking all over the place, there isn't a team. Is

that fair? I'm not saying they're not a team. I watched it yesterday.

They wasn't as bad as the result ended up. I've got to be honest. The

first goal really knocked the stuffing out of them. It was a bad

goal to give away. They had a couple of the chances before that, West

Ham. Within the first 25 minutes, half an hour, there wasn't a lot in

it. The second half, Newcastle got the other goal. Yeah, I don't think

it was as bad as the result said. They could do with Kovalio into

central midfield. He's somebody meant to be moving every summer to

the Premier League for the last ten years, you have a question mark

about whether he'll ever come. He had that injury. Came on to the

scene in the under-21s. A terrific player. Maybe there's uncertainty

because there's doubt about the future of the manager. He doesn't

necessarily know who he's signing to. Can you really judge somebody

after three games? You look at what he's asking people to do. Rice, a

lot of pressure. Hann zony came on. Maybe Lanzini should have started

the game. Zabaleta, we thought his legs had gone for City. Why isn't he

playing him in the central midfield role rather than Rice? Newcastle

will press. You want people on the ball with experience in that

position. Not necessarily a youngster. He's the man making all

those decisions. The cutting edge, Hernandez at the top of the team

looks an excellent signing. Maybe he should be given time. Do you think

the whole club's a bit of a muddle at the moment? To be fair, I heard a

comment yesterday, as I was shaking my head, West Ham are like

Newcastle. In the way the club's run. They're up and down. One minute

you think it's going really well and it ends up someone throws a spanner

in the works. That's what it is at West Ham. They have avenue quality

players there. After three games you can't say, we'll sack the manager.

They've not played a home game yet. It's not a fault of their own. You

say, Manchester United, start of the season, what are you expected to get

at Old Trafford. After that, they was unlucky against Southampton and

lost this week. When they get home, it will be a big difference. We have

an acknowledge Newcastle did a good job on them. Benitez is good at

getting the tactics right. You look at that Newcastle, the hunger, the

players he'd playing there. He needs more investment from Mike Ashley,

everyone accepts that. There's far more unity there compared to West

Ham. Look at the fans supporting Benitez. They're backing him. You

look at the average age of that Newcastle team, 24. There was a lot

of mobility and fluidity. You don't see that with West Ham. A lot of

fans want Newcastle to go down. It is one of those moments when you

lose the game, you question from with inare we good enough to stay

up. People talking about when they go home. Upton Park is their home.

They're in a new home and they're struggling. They're playing their

first five games away from home. Even if the new stadium's not their

real home, it is still five games away from home. If you're not home

and don't play well you can nick three points. It is the manner of

the win. The manager said he had a limited time frame to turn it round.

He knows the pressure it is building. It is about sorting out

that 11. Chelsea at least have their 11. Look how well they did last

week. West Ham are a long way from getting this right. "West Ham not

just the first three games of this season. It was dreadful last season

as well" one final question on this, which might be slightly mischievous,

Henry, bearing in mind they've been interested in him before, if they do

seaside to part company with Bilic, what? Benitez. I'm sure they'd look

at him. It would be interesting if they do it imminently. It will help

Benitez's hand in the transfer market with Ashley. I can't see

Benitez denying speculation about linking him to West Ham. He has a

team there who can stay up with great support. You can see what they

can do at home. Benitez needs one or two more players in. Maybe the

speculation will West Ham will help him. I thought you were going to say

Sam Allardyce. Now to the Hawthorns, the other 1.30 game today. You can

see it later on Match of the Day 2. Tony Pulis has got a good record any

time he has come up against his old employers. Today's he's hoping that

West Brom can continue along with Manchester United is the only teams

with a 100% start. West Brom have not even conceded a goal yet in the

top flight this season. Today there are two changes, James Morrison

coming in to the midfield and Salomon Rondon coming into the

attack. For the visitors, stuck, they really kick-started their

season with 1-0 victory against Arsenal last weekend. Mark Hughes

brings in the Dutch defender Bruno Martins Indi, to take the place of

Mamie. . Saido Berahino is on the bench for Stoke, still looking for

his first goal for his new club. Despite the fact it looks like we

superimposed him on West Brom comma he is actually delete the leaf!

Let's go back to managers under pressure. If it is too soon to judge

Slaven Bilic, who has had other seasons in the job, then you would

say the same think Martin Keown, for Gore at Crystal Palace? Yes,

possibly, but maybe he has misunderstood what he has walked

into there. What do you mean by that? Well, by all accounts they are

trying to play more football, so it's a difficult situation that he

has gone into and perhaps one he has underestimated. Talking about Sam

Allardyce, Sam was happy to leave that job is in it is possibly a

bigger job than we all realise. They have had five managers I believe in

the last six seasons. So it's a difficult job. We look at the

players and we say comma Wilfried Zaha, Townsend, surely they're too

good to go down. Well, are they? Because at the moment they look like

a ship that is lost. It is a difficult one for Palace. Sam

Allardyce is not silly, we know that. He might have said to himself,

I've done more than enough to keep them up, next season is going to be

very, very tough. So go at a good time. Like you said, fracked the

ball has gone in and it might be that he's trying to play a little

bit too much. The Premier League is a different league to where he has

come from, in Holland and Italy beforehand. It's going to take time,

but it's another one - how much time are they going to give him? Palace

need to stay in the Premier League. He has been at a club, Ajax, which

has nurtured players, it's really a feeder club. Now, this is the real

thing. It didn't go well for him in Italy. He almost looks a little bit

isolated. I know he's got Sammy Lee, who's a great person to work with.

He will be more used to the Sam Allardyce game, everybody playing

the percentages, a bit of steel in the team. It just seems at the

moment, losing yesterday as they did against Swansea, who everyone is

saying, are they going to stay up? It's another one of those. You have

a chairman in Steve Parrish who is very hands-on, very aware of, as a

Palace fan and as a businessman, with money invested in the place, he

is very conscious of what is going on. It is interesting that he has

brought in Dougie Freedman as sporting director. Maybe this is to

encourage de Boer to look at players who are a bit more Premier League

hardened. One or two of the players they've brought in, Loftus-Cheek I

think, in terms of long-term English development, it will be interesting

to see how Loftus-Cheek develops under a coach like de Boer. But

whether he gets the time, I know it's crazy, but as Andy was saying,

it's such a cultural shift to try and impose Ajax on Selhurst Park,

and to do that quickly. He's fortunate that Wilfried Zaha is out

injured, because he has been so fantastic for the last couple of

years for them. But then, would de Boer necessarily have played to

Wilfried Zaha's strengths anyway? I think at some point he will have to

compromises principles if he's going to stay in the long-term. Do you

think people have seen that he has managed Ajax and have just used the

Ajax Prince balls as an easy stick to beat him with? The reason I ask

that is, when they played Huddersfield, they hit 18% of all of

their passes long. That's passes over 30 yards in distance, by the

way. At Liverpool, they hit 32% of their passes long. Yesterday it was

down to just shy of 13%. But their average last season was 20%. So in

the first two game, they have nearly been on the average of last season,

so it was only yesterday that they hit a much lower percentage. But

that is interesting if you'd the last ten minutes of a game. Because

I think they were chasing the game and even de Boer would have

sacrificed his principles and said, we've got to stick a centre half up

front. Lots of clubs have had this, and it's like turning the Titanic

round at times. Some players have it in their minds, I can't play

football, I have to go long. I want to miss midfield out. Maybe the

players aren't buying into it, and he's got to get results. But another

thing, yesterday, he said his players need to show courage. I

wonder whether he's talking about them at Selhurst Park, where they've

had two of their defeats so far. They lost at home to Swansea,

Burnley and Sunderland last season. They only won six games at Selhurst

Park last season. Is actually, maybe there is a bigger problem with how

they're performing at home in front of what arguably is one of the best

crowds in the Premier League. Yeah, I think when he's talking about

courage, when you're at home, you've got to get on the ball, make angles

and keep the ball. Ultimately, if you can't do that, you're going to

struggle. If the best players can't do it, what will the lesser players

be doing? I just looked at other and it is a bit of a rock and a hard

place, they have got very good players, it's just a case of being

given time. The good managers, they make you feel comfortable in

possession. Hold a gun to someone's head and say... No doubt, he's got

to be a good manager. Transfer that from the training pitch to the game,

everybody on Saturday wants to pass the ball. Can we also credit Swansea

and Paul Cummins for the work he's done, Tammy Abraham, he's brought

in, he's done a good job there. It is good to see English coaches doing

a good, who is bringing players like Tammy Abraham through. He's a good

young kid who is going places, we saw it at Bristol City last season.

There is potentially a top player there are, Andy would no far better

than I would. You know one about Bristol City as well, do you rate

him but only I do like him, we would never have known if Bristol City did

not take him and he scored those goals. But now he has got the

opportunity to be at Swansea in the Premier League, and he's started

really well. He's a baby. Some interesting tweets on Bilic. This

one says, the pressure has been on for the last year, we can't defend,

he needs to go. Although this one says, yes, he probably should go,

but West Ham can keep their sticky paws off Rafa Benitez, he is ours!

The big game at four o'clock is Liverpool against Arsenal, you will

be able to hear that on Radio 5 Live and see the highlights later on

Match Of The Day 2. If you were still playing, Andy, which defence

would you rather be taking on this afternoon going I've got to be

brutally honest, if I was playing now, I would love to play, I really

would! Just in general! There seems to be a hell of a lot more space

than in my time, when I was playing, against people like Martin and that.

I see the chances that come about, and I think, wow! I would enjoy

this! All right, then, which defence would you feel more comfortable in?

Liverpool and Arsenal... Probably the Liverpool one, because it is a

four. I prefer to play in a four. Although the game now has changed

and the three, it's a five. I could not get win to and Dixon to do all

of that! But last week, Monreal was playing in a central position, and

that for me has to be a specialist, is can't be a full-back. And yet

they're selling Mustafi. I was disappointed to see Gabriel going,

because I felt he was an out-and-out defender. I thought he was immense

in the semifinal of the FA Cup, he then got injured at the end of the

season and he's not come back. I find that really... They don't grow

on trees, these defenders, and he's got the mentality to defend. Mustafi

being allowed to leave, we understand, again, I'm not sure what

they're building for. You're going to get exposed. You need plenty of

pace, particularly when you're playing against Liverpool. Sadio

Mane and Mosul are, the way Sadio Mane was working as a number nine,

dropping off comma there is so much pace coming against that Arsenal

defence, and that Arsenal defence is not built for dealing with pace. As

we understand it, Simon Mignolet is not playing this afternoon, he's

being rested, apparently, so Loris Karius will come in. Mignolet does

not appear to have done anything wrong? I think it is a very strange

decision, particularly when it's about building that relationship

with your defence. As I understand it, he's not injured, but he's being

rested. Well, these are the big game, what they did against Arsenal

last year, winning all six points, effectively got them into the top

four. This is effectively one of the biggest game of their season, and

he's not playing, so I find that astonishing. It might be one where

the manager sees something and he wants the specialist in for the day.

But you have got to have the relationship between your goalkeeper

and your defenders. And the other story surrounding this game, on the

field, is, Liverpool, in the mix for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, it looks

like he's going to leave, Liverpool and Chelsea both want him. I'm

surprised. I listened to Arsene Wenger's comments the other day that

he should stay, but he's going to make a decision on what position he

wants to play in. He always felt that Arsenal never played him in his

strongest position. And the two clubs that are being quoted, if they

will play him in his strongest position... He wants to play central

midfield, doesn't he? Oxley Chamberlain has got so much going

for him in terms of the, actually. Teases, the stamina, the touch. I

think there have been question marks about how driven he is. But you

can't dictate to a coach about where you play. If the coach thinks he's

better out wide... If he thinks he can slip into Chelsea's central

midfield, or Liverpool's, I think he might have a rude awakening. Ten

seconds, would he be a loss for Arsenal? would be a huge loss for

Arsenal, but he's not a central midfield player. He has cost Arsenal

goals in the Champions League in that position. If he played there

from a young kid, he might be well-equipped, but as a wingback,

that's his best position and he should stay there. Thank you very

much all of you, we are out of time, see you for Match Of The Day 2.