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On the programme tonight, we have all the big games. He is still

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going, what a run. And we have all the big names as we look back on the

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Pro12 and ahead to the Six Nations. The first thing they will be looking

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to do... It is not going to be easy because Wales will not make it easy.

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CHEERING There are just six days to go

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until England and Wales The winners will almost definitely

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be crowned Six Nations champions. On our panel tonight,

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three Welsh legends who know all about tasting sweet

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victory at England's HQ. Would you please give a warm

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welcome to Martyn Williams, Our star at the bar tonight

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is a member of Welsh rugby's I'll have the latest

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from the Principality Premiership, and will also have a chat

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with former Wales captain, and a British and Irish

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Lion, Ryan Jones. All that to come. Plenty to get

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through this evening. Let's begin with the Pro12,

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and Leinster versus the Ospreys. The Ospreys handed Rhys Webb

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Vikander captaincy. This man was released by Wilson balk at the pack.

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Leinster have a 100% record in the Pro12 and made seven changes.

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Including the international back pairing of Ian Madigan.

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Cracknell, Davies with a lovely of Lord. Evans unceremoniously dumped.

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Maintaining possession, the men in white, the Ospreys. That was a three

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shot. They will go back for a penalty

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advantage. There was silence from the crowd, as

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you would expect. And do him and the and the Ospreys the world of good.

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He cannot get the ball across to Marty's foetal the protection it

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needs. There is a little break. McFadden, who has a got inside? He

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has support. It looks like Dan Leavy and he will go over for the try.

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He holds his line. Owen Watkin does well. The ball is there. The Our

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Mick from the referee. They will get something. It was sloppy again. An

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opportunity. They will go back and take the penalty.

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Clear outcomes. Cracknell has worked tirelessly. He is away! Great play

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and no more than the Ospreys deserve.

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That was a better ball at the front. No challenge from Leicester. It goes

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through the hands, Bacon again, still going inside the 22. -- Baker

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again. There was a clear out. Just right under the nose of the referee,

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right on the spot. Delicate hands from the try scorer, Baker. Everyone

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was confident that we would get in the top six and there is no reason

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why we can't. We have the squad and strength of depth. We have these

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hard games, away games are away and looking forward to getting back home

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and finishing off strong. A tenth win in 11 for Leinster,

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and they remain unbeaten at home Rhys Webb was fairly upbeat after a

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valiant performance. Ultimately, and it pains me to say this because we

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have a lot of fans in, is that it's the title ambitions? They it

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difficult. After the Connacht game last week. I think they have maybe

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lost one game with internationals back. From the way that they started

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the season, they have left themselves a long way to go.

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Leinster, ten out of 11. They are slowly becoming the team were used

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to them being. One guy was a standout. Ben Te'o was probably the

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difference. It has taken him a year to bed in. I am sure Leinster will

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be really disappointed because just when he finds his feet in union, he

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signed for Worcester. It is not just as ball carrying. Yes, he's good

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with that but he before contact us well. He has brought a real

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different edge to the way that they attack. They are looking really

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strong, Leinster and they will finish in the top two. They have a

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home semifinal. For me, they are favourites to win the whole thing.

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Not only is Ben Te'o effect with the ball in hand, here's a pretty mean

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player in rugby league. Sam Davies had a great game of the actors come

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into his own. He was singled out for attention by Ben Te'o and he dealt

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with it manfully. I think so. His game as come on leaps and bounds. He

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was silly targeted. But he made his tackles on Ben Te'o, who is bigger

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strong. He made a couple of errors but generally his performance was

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excellent. He is a great kicker and has been since the day he stepped

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into the number ten jersey. He is developing his game fantastically

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well. His running ability, his ability to beat people into space

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and is the tradition. He is growing and his maturity grows as he goes

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on. Will he play regular rugby? There will be another player coming

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back to fill the number ten position at Ospreys. Where he is at the

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moment, when you consider where they stand in the pecking order, he needs

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to play week in and week out. I do not think he will get that at

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Ospreys. His greatest death in -- he is great to step in to those shoes,

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but I think he needs to play regular rugby. Is he too good to play second

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choice? I think so. With Dan, he is meticulous with his practising and

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the hours that he spends. Sam is exactly the same and has worked

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incredibly hard but it is game time that he needed and he has that now

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and he is starting to show people what he can do. It would be a shame

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for him to be sat under the bench. He is a class operator and needs to

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play. Dan Baker at number eight. He had a sniff of international action.

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He was not in the squad for the Six Nations but he showed his class. He

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has a powerful lad. In my last couple of years when he came

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through, you can see at the class and power and the step, everything.

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They were working hard on his fitness. The poor kid was running

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laps and laps and they were relieved the sting him. He's getting his

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confidence back now with a run after not making the World Cup squad. He

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is a fantastic prospect. Wells made him as well. -- Wales. If the number

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it ever does get injured, we do not have a back-up. He has to get a run

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and get fit will stop here is a fantastic talent with bags of

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potential. Intriguingly, Rhys Webb paid the fill 80 minutes. -- played

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the full 80 minutes. paid the fill 80 minutes. -- played

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control on the game yesterday, his service, generally what you want

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from a number nine. We did not see the blistering breaks, but that will

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come. He could well be drafted into the squad. I do not think he will

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step into the squad for the England game but I think they will want him

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back as quickly as possible. He is a pretty good position at number nine.

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He is certainly one starting to find his feet again after just three

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games. He has tweeted in my career so far. Hopefully a few

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more to beat that but that was special. Seeing Gareth score that

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try, it was fantastic. We could not believe it. There was a little glass

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of champagne after that. The speed of Gareth Davies. Who is inside him?

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He spends, another little kick by the scrum-half... There was maybe

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one occasion in the last game we are you with a cross kick rather than

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pass. Yes, I sat down and we spoke about that incident with the coach.

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He told me that I should be looking to pass the ball instead of kicking

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it through. If I make a break like that on the weekend, the first thing

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I would do is pass it. He gave me a clip on the head as well! Warren

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said that he need to maybe be a bit more vocal. Is that shyness? A bit

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of shyness. I am quite shy, believe it or not. Yes, he has always been

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quite quiet. But when it comes to the crunch, I am sure he will be

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bossing everyone around. When he has to, yes. I speak quite well in the

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pitch with my forward. I am not the type of person that speaks up in

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meetings for the sake of it. If there is something that needs to be

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said, I will say it. The more I find my feet in the squad, the more that

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will come naturally to me. It is kept alive to Rhys Webb, and Rhys

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Webb will finish every day from that position. Rhys Webb got a first try

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back last week. What about that? I get on really well with Rhys. It

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would be great to have him back with us and a great battle for the

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jersey. Do you have a message for Rhys Webb, if he is watching now?

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Hope you are well. What a great season it has been for the starlets.

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-- Scarlets. They have done really well this season. We said, this is

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to be a target for us, to finish in the top four. In the top two, to get

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a home play-off. After the Six Nations, it be massive derby,

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Scarlets against Ospreys. It would be nice to have a game against Rhys

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The weekend before the Ospreys game, hopefully that will be a massive

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game and it will be the game for the championship. Hopefully we beat the

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English, then the Ospreys the week after. That would be just as big.

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And it is Mother's Day on Sunday. What is your message for your mum?

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Is at this week? It is Mother's Day this Sunday, make sure you Colin and

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see your mum! -- make sure you call by. I will get some flowers or

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something. Thanks for everything, mum, have a nice day. Thank you for

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being a lovely son. And we all very proud of him, yes.

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Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers watching today. We talked

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about Rhys Webb. Gareth Davies as well. We are blessed in that

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department. You must be a nightmare to mark. He is brilliant. We have

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seen him at Scarlets, scoring 50, 60 metre tries at regional level. Can

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he do this at international level? And he has. If you are forward, they

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are the worst type of scrum-half 's to play. He is a big, powerful guy

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as well. He's quick. We forget to inexperienced dessert and a national

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level. He has played under one year at this level. -- inexperienced that

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he is at a national level. We are blessed that he has taken over from

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Rhys Webb through injury. He is not bizarrely first choice at Scarlets

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often, he does not get a huge run of games at his club. If we look back,

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he got into that Welsh side before Rhys Webb was injured. He made the

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position his own. He is the biggest attacking threat that we have. As

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part of his game, he still has areas to develop. He mentioned his

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decision-making and some of the work he does with controlling people up

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front in particular. At international level, you have to get

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it right 97% of the time and you cannot afford to drop under that.

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Alongside the great scrum-half alongside him, as an attacking

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threat, he is fantastic. He is under pressure, not just at international

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level from Rhys Webb and Lloyd Williams, but down at Scarlets. That

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pressure will make him a better player long-term. Did you like

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getting bossed about by scrum-half 's? I had a fight with Garreth

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Gilbert at the Ospreys. On my own team! I hate scrum-halfs. They are

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nightmare. Talking of scrum-halfs and great scrum-halfs, what Gareth

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Davies' mum told us was Dwayne Peel was Gareth's hero growing up. Dwayne

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Peel has announced his retirement from all rugby this week. 76 caps

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for Wales, three for the Lions. Maybe the second best scrum-half in

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Wales ever? Look, he was a great player. He had

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a couple of seasons, 2005 in 2006, with the Lions, where he was the

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best in the world. His trademark of getting goals from quick penalty set

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from everyone. He had a great passion for the game as well. He did

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it with a bit of humour. He is a bit of a character. One thing he wasn't

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was quiet. Dwayne would boss you're in the park. He was brilliant and

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you would not have to think. He was behind you, chirping away.

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Unfortunately, he went off the scene a little bit by going to Sale

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But one of the best I ever played with. He is still involved in the

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game. He is doing coaching work at Bristol. He's involved in the

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development of the game at Scarlets. To keep those qualities, to help

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develop the future, is fantastic. What a Dream Team that would be. We

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will wait and see what happens. Talking of Scarlets, let's go to

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them. They welcome Treviso on Friday night.

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The Scarlet just once in the league this season on home turf and they

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welcomed back international is like Jake Ball and Alan Davies. And

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Scotland's John Barclay at number eight. He had a try scoring

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performance against Italy last week in the Six Nations.

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Maybe a bit more space out wide this time. Great run by Stefan Evans. And

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he is still going, what I run and what a try by Stefan Evans!

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Brilliantly finished by the youngster.

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James Davies, having a little local the top to see you close that line

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is. -- having a little look over the top. James Davies busts over, one --

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was he there? I would say some of that was on the line.

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That was a clean break. He is inside... But he is hauled down by

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Hadleigh Parkes. He digs it clear, calling on the outside but it goes

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to Gareth Owen. That should have been a try for Treviso.

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Barbieri spends. Yes, say Treviso. -- Barbieri spins.

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Taken by Tom Palmer. In goes Barbieri. They struggled in the

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first half to get the ball to the ground. Barbieri is still in charge.

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Up to the try line. It is eight try. -- it is a try.

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An interception for Barbieri. He's going to go all the way for a

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second. This could put a visa ahead. What a turnaround. The mistakes

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continue from the Scarlet. Robert Barbieri profits again. Scarlet 's,

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sensing this is a chance they want to take advantage of. Good hands by

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Park. Evans, and that is a crucial try for the Scarlet.

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It may have been a different game. They cool aid well, put us under

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pressure. -- they played well. It is another win for the skulls,

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there are 12 of the season. Rob, they look assured of a play-off

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place, but how much to you think will regret that missed bonus

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there is no doubt, going into the game, they would have chatted about

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that. You have to see sides like that off. They are bottom of the

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table for a reason. Although they picked up a couple of home wins, you

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would expect a side as good as this girl is to come back with a bonus

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point. It all started so well, Martin. Evans was on fire, he was

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man of the match, unsurprisingly. You tweeted afterwards that he

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should be in the Welsh squad. Is he that good? I think he is, I think

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he's different. We have a lot of big, powerful runners. He has a

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great step. 15 is probably his favourite position. I know this is

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only against Treviso. I think get him in the system. I think he really

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has something about him. He has a good left peg. I think he is really

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one for the future. We are not blessed with a load of wingers. We

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have George Cuthbert, Hallam Amos, they are all quite similar. He would

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bring another dimension. That is the key, something different. We have no

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chains at the moment in the system. I think we need to bring him through

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and offer something a bit different. One man impressed you, Ian, Jake

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Ball. He probably hasn't played enough minutes for Wales, in his

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opinion, this season. He is a good player. With Luke Charteris

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struggling with injury, and he limped off at the end of the game,

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we're a bit concerned, because he is a great guy. He is sort of

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unrecognised. He goes about his business and nobody talks him up. He

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is really physical, and he is a very good second row. We need him fit,

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especially if something happens with Luke Charteris will stop here is the

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natural successor. The latest on Luke Charteris is that he did not

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play this weekend. He is running at the moment, so fingers crossed he

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will be back in contention. We are blessed in the second row

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department. Before we move on to the Scarlet 's. We have talked about the

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expansive rugby they have been playing, and the new recruits. They

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looked sublime at times on Friday night. Most back lines, whether you

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are a ten or out wide, you would want King there because he creates

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space for others. His footballing ability, and he holds the ball up

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long enough to put others into space, and that's a gift. I think he

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has made a huge difference. Hadley parks, strong and powerful, never

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let you down, so I think you have a good mix in midfield. With Stephen

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Jones calling shots behind, he knows he can get the best out of them.

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Let's move on to the Blues and find out how they got on against Glasgow.

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First, the Dragons, pride to play for when they took on Munster.

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The Dragons haven't won all season on the road, but they are looking to

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do the double on Munster. Hallam Amos return to action after being

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released from the Wales squad. Williams, away. Donald coming in on

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the angle. Williams, keeping the movement going.

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Down, just short, by Adam Hughes. Williams, just held up by Harris.

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Chances still there for Munster. Agonising way short of the line.

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Dragons, just about holding out at the moment. Here come Munster again.

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Pounding away at the Dragons line. They claim the try. Trying to force

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the ball down, just get it on the line. First score after 80 minutes.

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Pods/ waiting underneath the Dragons post. Dragons know what's coming -

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can they stop it, though? Williams get it away to Scannell. His first

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try in the league. The ball pops back for Williams. The inside ball.

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Plenty of willing runners amongst the Munster pack. Williams, up to

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Foley. He is a replacement for chisel.

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Foley. He is a replacement for to cross well. -- Crosswell. The

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Wales squad make it look easy. Copeland looks miles offside. The

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decision had already been made. Tap and go from Pretorius. Has he got it

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Oh, he's lost it! That could be a Another one from Dell.

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Oh, he's lost it! That could be a chance for a Lee Jones. The chance

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is still on for Glasgow as we go into first-half stoppage time. A big

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surge from Tim Swinson. He looks to have gotten the ball down. There was

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Jones -- Scully coming in. There will be a scramble in the corner.

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Who has got the touch down their? Harvey wins the line-out at the

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front for Glasgow. Blues' yellow cards will reinvigorate the opposing

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side. They ploughed over. Blues will probably stick it up the jumper and

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look from their second try from the rolling maul max. -- rolling maul.

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Ten metres, 12 metres away. It is getting a bit disorganised on both

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sides. Garrett Smith tries to lay it back. There could be an overlap

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here. The Blues do have their bonus point try. The disappointment was

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the first half. It was so inaccurate, we didn't get anything

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going. We have played... It is unfortunate we gave ourselves too

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much to do in the second half. It is something we have said a couple of

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times this season. -- I have said. That victory keeps Glasgow in with a

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shout of defending their title. They stay in seventh, with two games in

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hand. No change in the play-off places. Leinster, Scarlet and

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Ulster, all competing hard. Munster move above Edinburgh, in fifth. Ian,

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that defeat for the Dragons, their fifth in a row in the competition.

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Marooned in 10th place, 19 point drift of European qualification.

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What has broken their with the Dragons, and what can be done to fix

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it? They don't have confidence. Those little 1% moments, the big

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moments. They would pride themselves at taking big fixtures and beating

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teams, but they are making uncharacteristic mistakes, which you

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could put down to confidence. Losing four bonus points in the last few

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games. It is hard when a team is low on confidence, how do you stab at

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back-up? They have a decent side, but it was like a fortress before.

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Everyone percent counted, and they're not doing that at the

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moment. How to change that round, I'm not sure. The Blues, Martin,

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their East Wales rivals. One place above them in the table. Danny was

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honest there, saying it was one of the worst first halves of the

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season. They probably have Mark Bennett to thank. How to finish a

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try. This is not how to finish. It looks a bit artificial. He doesn't

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want to dive onto it. Ultimately, it has cost Glasgow a bonus point. It

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was really tight to get into sixth place, and they are probably

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thinking top four because they have games in hand. It cost them their

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bonus point. The Blues, you cannot work them out this year. For the

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last ten minutes of every game, they come back and play brilliant rugby.

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It is another season where they will finish probably not the bottom

:33:50.:33:55.

placed Welsh region, but lots to work on over the summer. Is that

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your interpretation, Rob? They don't seem to be consistent? I think it

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is. They started off poorly for the majority of games that I have seen.

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They have always finished off well. Danny is right - when you have a

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spirit and a desire in the team to keep going for 80 minutes, that will

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augur well for the future. They have some good new recruits have come in,

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so I think it is about planning ahead. The site will get better and

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will develop. It was a fans' favourite -- it is a

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fans' favourite, Mr Craig Quinnell. Welcome.

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APPLAUSE I think it is fair to say you

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biggest ever star at the bar. You fill the space comfortably. When

:34:49.:34:54.

I came here tonight, they thought I was a bit of a bouncer, a barman.

:34:55.:35:02.

They will be having it in a bit. Security details, I like that. Let's

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talk about the Blues. It has been a nod season come as we have just

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discussed with the boys. I am not sure how much of an intimate

:35:12.:35:14.

interest you taking your former team, but what do you think of their

:35:15.:35:18.

development under Danny Wilson? Danny is making big changes. I spoke

:35:19.:35:21.

to him at the start of the season, and he came in with a new remit, he

:35:22.:35:27.

has taken charge and he is going to get the young players in. He will

:35:28.:35:30.

change how they operate in terms of the number of players in the squad.

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He is making a rod for his own back because he is saying, it is up to me

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now. He has a couple of seasons to do it. He has some good signings.

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But we don't have any big signings. We could do with a couple of big

:35:45.:35:51.

ones. Rees has gone to the Scarlet. He is Cardiff born and bred, a great

:35:52.:35:56.

player, and we need to keep them in the capital. We need to grow the

:35:57.:36:00.

team around people like him. It is a big disappointment, losing him. Some

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rumours that Bradley Davies might be on his way back to the Blues. Do you

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think he is the kind of signing that would benefit them? Definitely, but

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he has to be playing games. A lot of internationals coming back, they

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don't play many games. We need players who will come and play a lot

:36:25.:36:27.

of rugby. He has been at Wasps. It will be harder him to leave them,

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because I think they are the best rugby playing team in the country at

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the moment. They play great rugby. Let's talk about England versus

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Wales. With you behind the bar, there is only one clip to dig out

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from the archives. I think you know what's coming. Steve Hanley still

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has nightmares about this. Talk us through it.

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I think that was the end of Steve? 'S career. Yes, I think I started

:36:57.:37:04.

the trend of big winners in Welsh rugby! He could not quite get the

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players with Ireland and wasps. They look to up to me obviously and they

:37:13.:37:15.

are doing the business now. Fair play to them, they are doing well

:37:16.:37:29.

now. I think Steve himself said, he won two caps that day, his first and

:37:30.:37:33.

his last. They were saying, he is the new Jonah Lomu of English rugby,

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and then he broke his arm into places was not seen again. Good for

:37:39.:37:44.

him, though! I think he christened you the mad hippo that day. Hippo,

:37:45.:37:49.

rhino, anything which is big and fat and moves quickly. I am all over it!

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We're going to come back and talk to you later. But a quick word on next

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week. It is building up to be a classic. To all intents and

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purposes, it is a Championship decider. Are you excited? Very

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excited. The game will be decided in the second rows, like always.

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Nothing to do with the scrum halves. Is Joe Launchbury going to come back

:38:18.:38:23.

for England? Is look going to be fit for us? It is won and lost in the

:38:24.:38:28.

front five, jokes aside. We need to get a good line-out, because they

:38:29.:38:32.

have got a really good line-out. If Rob Evans can do a job on Dan Cole,

:38:33.:38:37.

we are in with a chance. But there is a lot of pressure on Rob Evans.

:38:38.:38:41.

If we can get parity in the scrum, even get our heads up, then we are

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in with a chance. England are playing good rugby, which is one

:38:46.:38:51.

thing Wales are not doing. It is going to be an exciting game. We

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will speak to you again before the end of the game. Thank you for now.

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Five games were played in the Principality Premiership yesterday.

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This is our round-up. Crosskeys travelled to Pontypridd looking for

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a red double over the champions. There was a straight red card for

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stamping. Despite being down to 14 men for the whole of the second

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half, Pontypridd extended their lead. Crosskeys could only come away

:39:24.:39:29.

with a losing bonus point. Ebbw Vale coach Nigel Davies faced his former

:39:30.:39:35.

club Lyn athlete and came away with a bonus point win. Five different

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players scored tries. -- his former club Llanelli three. -- than

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athlete. This one was nip and tuck all the way, and it took a penalty

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deep into injury time to separate the two sites. Cardiff were looking

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to hit back after their heavy defeat earlier in the season against the

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same opponents, and they took revenge yesterday. Wales

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international Aled brew crossed twice for the visitors. No

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relegation from the Premiership this year. But there was still plenty to

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play for, as Neath went looking for their first victory of the season.

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And they were looking like they were going to get it, before the Ravens

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had other ideas with a last-minute try. Neath remains rooted to the

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bottom. I am very pleased to say that we are now joined by former

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Wales and Ospreys captain and former British lion Ryan Jones. Welcome!

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Let's talk about your new job. Recently appointed head of rugby

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participation with the Welsh Rugby Union. What does your job entail? It

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is to champion the community game. I'm going to sit on the executive

:41:29.:41:33.

board of the Welsh Rugby Union and do just that. Martin Phillips has

:41:34.:41:38.

charged me and the team with opening the game up to more people, more

:41:39.:41:42.

often with more enjoyment, essentially. I am thoroughly

:41:43.:41:46.

enjoying it. I have been out and about and met some fantastic people.

:41:47.:41:51.

Welsh Rugby Union is in safe hands with people like this at the moment.

:41:52.:41:56.

One of your first initiatives is a survey, Shape Our Game. What do you

:41:57.:42:03.

hope to learn from the survey? We have gone out to the public. Nothing

:42:04.:42:08.

is off-limits. We have got to make sure we position are offering is the

:42:09.:42:13.

number one for our nation. That is the challenge. We are asking people

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to get in touch and fill in the form online. Look at our offering, make

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sure it is modern and it is what the people want. And people can still

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get in touch? Yes, it is still to the end of the month. If you have

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got five minutes, go and fill it in. A lot has been made recently of the

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question of safety in rugby, with the potential to and heckling at a

:42:41.:42:45.

certain age. What can Welsh rugby do to try to attract more people into

:42:46.:42:50.

the game with that in mind? I think the alternative is far worse. Kids

:42:51.:42:57.

not knowing this wonderful game is a far worse alternative. I think by

:42:58.:43:05.

creating a safe environment, with coaches, who are well coached, rugby

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is as safe as it has ever been. Player welfare is number one. One

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way to track participation is the very successful Wales team. You

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yourself have had plenty of success with Wales. And you have had success

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at Twickenham, of course. What do Wales need to do? I think it will be

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more of the same, if I am honest. It has not been pretty, but it is

:43:34.:43:39.

winning rugby, which is important. The great discipline in defence they

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have shown, with a good set piece, will hold them in good stead.

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England have shown glimpses of some good stuff over the last few weeks.

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I have shown huge improvement certainly from the World Cup. It

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will be a hell of an encounter. Thank you joining us and good luck

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with your job. Let's get another view now from across the bridge.

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This week, England have decamped to the Georgian splendour of Bath, a

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city with a rich rugby heritage and home to scrum five's favourite in

:44:14.:44:23.

Richmond. -- favourite Englishman. Eddie is showing his experience,

:44:24.:44:28.

taking it in his stride, and what he is thinking is coming out of his

:44:29.:44:36.

mouth. 99% of the time, it has been enjoyable and it has been different.

:44:37.:44:40.

With Eddie, we do not know what he is going to say. And it is fairly

:44:41.:44:44.

amusing. Banning himself is not good news for us in the media. We want to

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know what he is thinking. But in his way, he said, I want to give

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Borthwick and the others a chance to face the media. I do not believe it

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will be anywhere near as exciting, but nice experience for them. If I

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was coach, I would think about putting Owen at ten and bringing

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Manu Tuilagi back in. It poses more questions and will make the Welsh

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defence think more. With Owen Farrell, he will very rarely go down

:45:16.:45:19.

that channel so you can spread your defence. England have been

:45:20.:45:23.

successful at the moment with that partnership. They have scored a

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number of tries with the phase play. Manu Tuilagi would not be able to do

:45:29.:45:36.

that. You can look at the Welsh attack and you can see how deep Dan

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Biggar stands. You cannot attack of that, really. It is really difficult

:45:43.:45:45.

as a centre if your fly half is standing so deep. It brings the

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defence onto you. That is why I think they might change it up a bit,

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and have two attacking lines. think they might change it up a bit,

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Biggar will not be controlling both sides.

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with a different attack. Two Lupe is world-class. Right now he is in my

:45:59.:46:25.

opinion the best in the world at No 8. There is no reason why he cannot

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do what Billy does, in a different way.

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finishing and...! But for this group of players, they can go out full of

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confidence. England will be confident as well, a lot more than

:48:18.:48:20.

they were in the World Cup. They just seem to be pulling in the right

:48:21.:48:25.

direction now. Eddie Jones is a great coach, he has got them all off

:48:26.:48:30.

the same hymn sheet. Whereas under Lancaster in the World Cup, they

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made a few changes just before us and there was confusion. They will

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not be confused this time, they will be well drilled and confident. There

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has been a lot of speculation about potential changes that England might

:48:42.:48:45.

make. Manu Tuilagi has been much talked about. Will he come back,

:48:46.:48:51.

will he start at 12? He scored a try today for Leicester, as they beat

:48:52.:48:56.

Exeter in the Aviva Premiership. But that is exactly what they did wrong

:48:57.:49:00.

before the Wales game in the World Cup, making no changes in the

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midfield, which backfired? I don't think they will make many changes.

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There is still a debate at scrum-half. I think Danny Care is a

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better player. Tuilagi is a big man and when he plays well, here's a

:49:13.:49:16.

force be reckoned with. They will be concerned in terms of Jamie Roberts

:49:17.:49:20.

and what he has done in the first two games of this Championship. They

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will try and nullify that. The Eddie Jones factor will be, he does his

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homework very well. He did it for Japan during the World Cup. He will

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understand Wales, how they play. We all know the way we play. But he

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will try to stop Wales getting ascendancy in key areas. Tuilagi on

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the bench could offer you that if things are not going well. We saw

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the Joe Worsley scenario a few years ago. There is a number of things

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which might be a bit front from what we have seen from England so far. At

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I think England are getting better. They're going to be a very good

:50:10.:50:14.

side. We have spoken about the tight five, and who will get superiority

:50:15.:50:18.

up front. What have you made so far of the Welsh tight five, with Rob

:50:19.:50:22.

Evans taking to international rugby. Do you think he will have a go at

:50:23.:50:27.

Dan Cole? Yes, for sure. He is a tenacious character. I think they

:50:28.:50:33.

did it right with him. The first game, Ireland, they blooded him. I

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think he had to take his lungs up at about six to five minutes. And then

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Scotland. So he has had a nice introduction. And he has come on

:50:45.:50:53.

every game. He is comfortable now. He will go right for him, which is

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what you have to do every game anyway. Plenty of battle to save

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over pitch, perhaps none more so than the Titanic tussle which is set

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to unfold it rained the two No 8s. Forces are the agents of change in

:51:11.:51:16.

the universe... Two males fought as a team to drive off their

:51:17.:51:19.

predecessors, and they will fight again... This is not the time to

:51:20.:51:29.

lose your nerve. All things fall at the same rate

:51:30.:51:34.

under gravity, but do not meet the same fate when they hit the ground.

:51:35.:51:40.

As night falls, the balance of power will shift... Faletau comes away

:51:41.:51:49.

with it, and scores! The force of gravity is THE force which I really

:51:50.:51:54.

feel the effects of. These are tense times.

:51:55.:52:02.

Yes, Cheadle want to look forward to. We heard he is Guscott saying

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Faletau is the best No 8 in world rugby. Him against Billy Vunipola is

:52:12.:52:16.

one to relish. Immense. Both of them are different No 8s. I think Taulupe

:52:17.:52:23.

is a more complete player. Vunipola is just a force of nature. They gave

:52:24.:52:29.

him the ball and he gets over the gain line. He has been England's

:52:30.:52:35.

standout player now. You cannot man mark Billy Vunipola. But we have got

:52:36.:52:41.

a very strong defensive setup. They will have something up their sleeve

:52:42.:52:48.

to stop him in particular. I would expect the same back row for Wales

:52:49.:52:52.

with Lydiard, Warburton and Taulupe. And I think that is perfect against

:52:53.:52:59.

Vunipola. A lot has been made of the irresistible Vunipola, but the Welsh

:53:00.:53:02.

back row is probably one of the best defensive units in the world? Yes,

:53:03.:53:07.

they are fantastic. The default, we have built all of our success on

:53:08.:53:11.

defence. But if we are going to man mark him, that will open him up. He

:53:12.:53:16.

has got a great set of hands as well. Haskell could come into it.

:53:17.:53:22.

And Jamie Joseph as well. So if you put too many people on him, he can

:53:23.:53:26.

put others into space. It will be really interesting. I just hope best

:53:27.:53:34.

team wins. What about comparisons with your brother? I don't know, he

:53:35.:53:39.

is a different animal altogether. Those boys train and they do

:53:40.:53:41.

weights... LAUGHTER

:53:42.:53:55.

They run a lot more upright than Scott did. His centre of gravity was

:53:56.:53:59.

so low, it was really hard to get him down. With those guys, they are

:54:00.:54:06.

upright and they can off-load. It is going to be quite a tussle. Rob,

:54:07.:54:11.

what about those of our silence which Eddie Jones has said he will

:54:12.:54:16.

do? It has been one of the best sideshows of the Six Nations so far,

:54:17.:54:22.

Eddie Jones' press conferences. Surely he will not keep his mouth

:54:23.:54:26.

shut all week? We will have to wait and see. It is just part of Six

:54:27.:54:33.

Nations. We have had it from Warren Gatland. I think he will probably

:54:34.:54:38.

stick to it. I don't think he wants to get caught out. He will allow

:54:39.:54:43.

Warren to carry on and do what he does. I think he will be very

:54:44.:54:46.

focused on this game, because this is the first real challenge as

:54:47.:54:51.

England coach for him. I think he feels he has the resources available

:54:52.:54:55.

to him to go on and win this Six Nations. But I doubt it. Are we in

:54:56.:55:00.

danger of giving England a bit too much respect? And what do you think

:55:01.:55:05.

of the history between this Welsh squad and the English squad? The

:55:06.:55:10.

Welsh have always spoiled the party for England? For sure. When someone

:55:11.:55:15.

says, we are confident at the moment, to cover up how unconfident

:55:16.:55:21.

they are. Yes, they are winning. But they have not been amazing. They

:55:22.:55:27.

have not been looking like a pool of unbeatable team. And they will be

:55:28.:55:31.

never is. With the likes of Scott Williams scoring from 30 metres, the

:55:32.:55:37.

Gareth Davies try. Lee Burge and Mike Phillips scoring quick tries.

:55:38.:55:42.

We have always come and struck them on the counter. It will be an epic

:55:43.:55:51.

game. Wales to win? Yes. Confident? Can you ever be confident?! It will

:55:52.:56:00.

be a great game. But yes, a a big moment from a player would be the

:56:01.:56:07.

snatching point. Rob? I will go for Wales. It will be tight but I think

:56:08.:56:11.

we are more settled. We have been there. We are not playing great

:56:12.:56:15.

rugby but it is successful, certainly in the northern

:56:16.:56:18.

hemisphere, and I think we will do it. Martin, a few weeks ago, you

:56:19.:56:23.

said England would win the championship. Are they going to win

:56:24.:56:28.

this game? I have got to stick to my guns. I think home advantage,

:56:29.:56:31.

England will just make it on Saturday. Will he get out of here

:56:32.:56:37.

alive?! What a strange note to end on, Martyn Williams predicting an

:56:38.:56:41.

England victory. I will ask you to give him a round of applause,

:56:42.:56:44.

nevertheless. Martyn Williams! Rob Jones! Ian Gough! Our star at the

:56:45.:56:54.

bar, Craig Quinnell! And of course, Ryan Jones! So, Twickenham next. If

:56:55.:57:01.

Wales go there and win, they will

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