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As the race for the Pro 12 play- offs entering a critical stage we

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will bring you the drama, the triumphs, and the disasters from

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round 15. He played a starring role in that memorable win in Paris, Dan

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Biggar tell us what the number ten shirt means to him. It is a special

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Jersey and something that is very special to me, so, if I can hold on

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to it for as long as possible, that would be a dream., So Wales Six

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Nationss is back on track, we look at head to their next opponents in

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the eternal city, and they may be without their Starman. And we catch

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up with a Pro 12's fastest prop rev ev -- Bev to talk about that try

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and how it has gone with his team- mates I said good luck for the game

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and he texted back saying cheer, he said, played well, I said, good try,

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never speak about it again. So it is one of those things. Good

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evening and welcome to Scrum V. The Six Nationss maybe taking a break

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but the prost is in full steam. Back for his Japanese sojourn is

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Shane William Rob jons and Jonathan Davies, we will catch up with them

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in a moment. We will start with last night's crucial match between

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The Scarlets prepared for this match in a slightly unusual manner.

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They spent a week at Blue stone park in Pembrokeshire, flinging

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themselves after cliffs into the freezing waters below. It was in

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the name of team bonding. Coping up morale up during a period when the

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stars are away and resources are stretched. Josh Turnbull and Liam

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Williams bolstered the home side who were looking to complete the

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double over Munster. The visitors has Ronan O'Gara and okal lan in

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their ranks, the winners would their ranks, the winners would

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break back into the top four ch the has missed twice. And Williams...

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Is perfect with his first attempt. possession so far in the first half.

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That was a potential hospital pass across. The Scarlets are penalised.

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You can hear what the fans think of this. This is the yeest of the

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 53 seconds

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three attempts. Finally, he get Scarlets get the penalty again.

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This would be the perfect tonic as half-time approaches. He need to

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give it some welly, he has done that and that is an excellent kick

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field waiting defensively so they because they know, the home side

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have defended bravely, and it is another penalty. There is an

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advantage coming again for the Scarlets. They might as well throw

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and Sherry for one fraction oaf a second thought he might have a 80

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yard run to the try line. But crowd are happy. Williams is happy.

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course are down to 14 men, for infringements at the tackle area.

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Goes for the snap drop goal. Good stuff by the outside half. He is

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having another excellent match for the Scarlets. There is the

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instruction by the referee for that ball to be released to Munster, who

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keep possession. They will keep knocking on the Scarlets's door.

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They look to sweep it wide. The try is inevitable but it is only a

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is inevitable but it is only a consolation.. Has been a tough come

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of months but now we are seeing reward and it is great for the

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players, encouraging signs from some positions are playing with

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confidence, we are starting to get results again., So great win for

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the Scarlet, the first time ever they have done the double over

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Munster, they won at Musgrave park in November. Impressive stuff last

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night. Yes, solid defensively they were good ch any result against

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Munster is very good. The double, it is special. So it keeps their

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momentum going. Rob, no try last night, but plenty of enterprise

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from the Scarlets. They did. They threw the ball round very well in

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fairness. A lot of young player, a lot of talented young player, they

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tried to play with ambition, but I think the foundations of that

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success were based obviously on their defensive work. I think if

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you look at O'Gara, he is never going to cause much of a threat.

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They done their homework, they leelsed that. They were passive in

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terms of defensive work. They stayed off and pushed across,

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although you know, Munster, as we can see, you know got the ball wide,

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they had little room to play. There were Flynn of numbers, and again,

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we see in the second type, Phil John lays off. The line is there,

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numbers come out, and when they had to be, they wereing a si. They got

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turn over. We see this Snyman, what a great defensive game. He comes

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through, the pressure is there, again, the tackle is made. Gareth

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Maule on this occasion, they set the line is there, and again,

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Snyman comes through, and then it is all about pressure. Murphy,

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Turnbull, you know, they all came through and exerted pressure, and

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although they didn't cross the whitewash, they didn't get a try,

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they reo e-- deserved that win. Great kicking by well yams but it

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was the defence that won them the game. Shane, crucially for the

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scarlet, they were fifth and six, Scarlets and Munster, they denied

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Munster a loosing bonus point. That could prove crucial at the end of

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the season. A big win against a big team. I thought it was it was

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mature performance. Williams had a great game, coaled it well. It's a

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win they needed. Perfect time to get a performance like that and

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needs to be happy with the performance of the young guys.

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talk about young guy, Owen Williams, a fairly cool head, only 20. There

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were a number of individuals that shone last night. Yes, one in

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particular, I was delighted to see him back, it is Gareth Owen, he has

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played a couple of times for the Scarlets. 11 appearances in total I

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think. I thought he was very good yesterday. He is a very good

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footballer, he missed the entire season because of injury, he is a

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big man, strong, he is only 23 so he has a lot of rugby left in him.

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Great skills there, the inside ball to Fenby, but it is twoe things

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here one he is a good player. It is great he is having opportunity and

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secondly, he has had a tough old time over the last couple of years

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and to see him playing as well is fantastic news for... Needs to play

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consistently. He has been in an out and sometimes it come os to a stage

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in a career I have to make one position my own, maybe this is the

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time for him to do it on the defence side, it is OK holding that

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defensive live line but when you play against better side like

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Ulster and Leinster, that line has to be more aggressive, they get

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over the gain line you are on the back foot. They have to variety

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defence. A great win for the Scarlets and some pleasing news,

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preespleepsing to come back from -- Rees priest land hoping to come

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back. His place has gone to Dan Biggar, he was the architect of

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that match winning try in Paris he is the latest to try and make that

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fabled number ten Jersey his own. Well, Dan Biggar, a few days have

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past since that epic win in Paris how is the mood? The mood is pretty

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good, you know, it helps coming in on Monday after you have won a game,

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where we are under no illusions the performance was perfect but people

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have said, saying they are fed up of Wales playing well and losing by

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one point, it was all about the win and the boys are delighteded with

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it. For you, you are no stranger to the Wales' camp but in terms of the

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Six Nationss this was your bow, how has that differed in terms of

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experience from playing for Wales in other games? Everything is more

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scrutinising, you are looked upon a lot more, it is the best tournament

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in the world, in my opinion and a lot of people's opinion, it is

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multiplied. You are in a goldfish bowl in Wales anyway but during Six

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Nations period it is magnified. Every mistake is scrutinised. You

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could could done 100 good things but people pick out the one or two

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bad thing, the fans are great. The fans in Paris on Saturday was

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incredible, and helped us. You have coveted this number ten shirt for

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some time, before the tournament began, there was a lot of column

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inches about whether it would be you or James Hook. What is your

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relationship like with James? We saw you embracing after the final

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whistle. Hookey, you can't meet many better blokes, and I think the

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way he has been with congratulating me on getting the shirtd and being

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as professional as he has been, is, you know, is a real positive. It is

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something I enjoy the rivalry. I am sure he does the same of. I ethink

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we bring the best out of each other. People looking at it probably see

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James Hook as the maverick and you as more the pragmatist, is that

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fair? Yes, I think so, I agree with that. I think in terms of natural

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talent, hookey is far and above me, he has got so much skill, he can

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play, probably put him up blindside flanker and he would have a

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circumstances seven out of ten game. Yeah, look, each is to their own, I

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think, but, I think on Saturday, it was a type of game which just

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needed a bit of control, and, and less errors sort of thing, so, I

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was happy with managing to steer it in the end to a victory, hopefully

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I can push on and show a bit more against Italy and Scotland, and

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England. I have heard on the grapevine you are obsessive when it

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comes to sporbgts you will watch anything, and you will analyse it

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to the smallest degree. I like football. I watch a lot of football,

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a lot of tennis, golf, which the missus is going crazy in the house

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when the sport is on, but, in all honesty I, if there was football or

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rugby on I would watch the football because you get rugby day in, day

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out, if you are an accountant the last thing they want to do is look

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at fig yours look over the tax system. So it is nice to relax and

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sometimes the rugby commentators have things to say about you as

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well, so it isifies to back away from that as well. Over the past,

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you have been accused of being arrogant and full of it, and

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strange accusation have come your way whenever I have met you you

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have struck me as humble and down- to-earth. Are you a different

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player on the pitch to off? I think South Yorkshire if you have watched

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Real Madrid where rodge doe said people don't know you for a person,

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all they see is what they see on a Saturday afternoon or Friday night

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on the pitch, and people who know you, they will back you up and

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think you are a half decent person, and that is, that is really what

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matter, it is the people that are close do you whose opinion matter.

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You smind a while ago, an interview a while ago your ambition was to be

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the best rugby player in the world, what is your ambition now? Nothing

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has changed. It is pointless aiming for anything lower. I am by far

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nowhere near the best rugby player in the world at the minute, but you

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know, if you don't aim, if you don't aim high, there is no point

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in being here, so I have a lot to learn and by far nowhere near the

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perfect article. But hopefully if can I can keep improving, training

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hard, hopefully I can get somewhere You know him well, this label of

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arrogant, it seems at odds with the guy, it is he different off the

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pitch? He is a very arrogant player and there is nothing wrong with

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that, they are the best players. He is the top guy off the field, you

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can see from the interview he is an easy fight to get on with. He has

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had a difficult job to do, the most important job in the rugby team. He

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is coming into a team that are under pressure, haven't won for a

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long time and he has done the job. Be used to call him a rhino skin,

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nothing really bothers him. He has been playing great for the Ospreys

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this year, his best year so far, and he will only get better.

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said it is the most important Jersey in the team, particularly in

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Wales. You have warned that Jersey with distinction, how do you think

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he has gone? I think he has gone extremely well. He has always been

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confident and you have have to have a bit of arrogance to play number

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ten, because you have to bossed the game. At times, he is petulant,

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throwing his arms in the air, having a tantrum and that is what

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people pick up on. I know plenty of players who off the pitch are real

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gentleman and on the pitch, they will wreck your head off. It is the

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same thing, he looks arrogant and cocky, but he is a lovely guy and

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you have to have that edge on the field. He is in a difficult

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position, do you go with James Hook or Biggar? You know which each one

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offers. I think because he has stayed in Wales, may be that has

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given him the edge a bit, he has seen more of him and he wanted

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control at Number Ten to win games. He did exceptionally well in Paris

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and I think he will be given the opportunity. When he came in before,

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he was thrown in on a Friday night against Fiji with a number of

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changes and you cannot mould a side together in one evening, so I think

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he has done exceptionally well. think that interview was a very

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mature interview and I think he came across as a different man to

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what people's perception of him has been. I think going back to that

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point, and one of one to make, he has been given this opportunity

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against Ireland and knows he has had for the rest of the season

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probably, and knowing that in the back of your mind, that you can go

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out there and have time on your hands to develop and grow into this

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position, it will make him that much better. The it will make him a

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better player, because he knows that if it doesn't matter if he

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doesn't play well, James Hook is there to come on and that is what

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you need, competition for places, so you are on top of your game all

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the time. Moving on to Wales in general. Shame, I guess that if

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there are many experts out in Japan you can watch, but what have you

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made of Wales's campaign so far? They started poorly, it was a first

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for half against Ireland -- a poor first half against Ireland. It was

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a mature second half and even though they didn't win, the pride

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they showed gave me hope. It wasn't the prettiest of games against

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France but they did what they had to do, just win and win a plea and

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quite a mature performance. The defence was amazing. -- When a peer.

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At times, it did look as though they were forcing things a little

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bit but they did exactly what they have to do and that was to get a

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big win in a tough place to go and play. I guess that is the hallmark

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of a losing side, if you are forcing things that you are afraid

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to try things. How do you think it will have affected their

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conference? Firstly, going to France and if you are World Cup

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winners, whatever, going to France is the brilliant. I am delighted

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that they have won four Rob Howley and for the playing members,

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because if you are on the back of a run like that, it is the confidence.

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Unless you have played at a high level, the journalists and

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everything, the fans, unless you have experienced it, confidence is

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unbelievable and playing to win and pains not to lose, it is a

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different psychological position to be in. -- playing enough to lose.

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When they were 10 points in front, you could fill the surge of

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confidence coming through. That win was so important, and all of those

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games they have lost, they should have won. They should have beaten

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Australia, they could have beaten Argentina and Samoa. May be the one

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they won is the one they should and, New Zealand. The difference between

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winning and losing last week hopefully will give them the

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confidence back and I am confident they will beat Italy. It will be

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tough but I am confident they will win and they will beat Scotland.

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Dan Biggar, as we have seen, is the incumbent for Wales at the moment.

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We saw a man of the match performance from Alan Williams for

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the Scarlets last night and if there was any doubt that production

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was slowing down at the Welsh by half factory, they were scotched on

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half factory, they were scotched on Friday -- fly half.

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Friday -- fly half. The Blues travelled to Edinburgh

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seeking revenge after losing the reverse picture in September. The

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visitors up against an Edinburgh side low on confidence after four

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could be on here. Rees catch-all the Blues. It is a penalty for the

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 53 seconds

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eventually comes and Edinburgh are right back in this one -- wiggles

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Blues. Yes, it is a penalty and Rhys Patchell will have another

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shot at goal. Easy for him. 12 minutes left and the Blues take the

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I think the Blues have got the ball. Yes, they have. Pretorius clears

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the ball, relief for the Blues. And the ball, relief for the Blues. And

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Edinburgh's woes continue. So a solid win on the road for the

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Blues and the Jonathon, a third man of the match performance for Greece

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of the match performance for Greece of the match performance for Greece

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patch will on this programme -- Rhys Patchell.

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Yes, he is developing very well. He runs the game very well, he will

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make the right decisions but after a 1520 minutes, he will go a while

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-- 415-20 minutes. He will learn, don't push him too hard.

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Back to the action, and though she may have seemed on Friday night,

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the Dragons has suffered an absolute nightmare at Rodney Parade.

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We will review that in a few moments, but first, let's see how

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bench last week, Captain Alun Wyn Jones making his first start since

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November for the Ospreys. Encouraging start for his region

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 53 seconds

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that is good enough for me, and the bringing it back. Morgan. No

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problem for the fly half, as good but the team hat on it for Connacht.

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bottom at Rodney Parade on Friday night. Dragons captain Lewis Evans

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was looking to lead his side to a first victory over the Warriors

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since September 2010. But Glasgow, with four consecutive wins to their

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name, I arrive in confident mood. - Bennett who waltzes over, easy as

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you like. There is a good variety about Glasgow's game at the moment.

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Keeping the Dragons defence Dragons have conceded again just

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tackling in the Dragons defence, and Taylor Paris gets his first

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touch of the evening and Glasgow are coming thick and fast and as

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easy as you like and Tim Simpson Josh drier springs up half a dozen.

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It is a hammering now for the And Scott White. Has he got there?

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It looks like he has. It is embarrassing. You can't hide away

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from that fact, we were very embarrassed by that and I am

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embarrassed that it was my team out there. It is embarrassing and it is

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there. It is embarrassing and it is not acceptable and the standard you

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try and set your team in training and in preparation for this match

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needed to be delivered. We looked like we have no understanding of

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what we were trying to do, their collective unity or effort. It was

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massively disappointing. Will you be considering opposition after a

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defeat like that? Look, I have come from a professional playing

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background and I have got to fight, it is all I am thinking about, to

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First the rest of the weekend Ulster, Glasgow and Leinster remain

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in the top three, the Scarlets leap frog the Ospreys into fourth, the

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Blues stay in seventh and only Zebre are keeping the Dragons off

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the foot of the table. Round two of the Swalec cup. Here

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And a quick congratulations as well to Matthew Jacobs who has been

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voted this month's principality Premiership player of the month.

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Well done to him. On to the Dragons game. As you say, they were

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describing it as an embarassment. It is the worst defeat in Pro 12

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history for a Welsh region. You were kpwhen Tait og than game. It

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was a horror show. The number of times the guys said embarrassing.

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They were right. It went from bad They were right. It went from bad

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to worse. In attack they were poor. They lost possession. Lots of

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mistake, some of these sum it in in terms of the clips. Poor vision,

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dephenomenon sievely they were awful. The coach -- defensively.

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You can't take away from the fact that there might have been systems

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but one or one tackle, the application of the players to make

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a tacking was so poor, and towards a tacking was so poor, and towards

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the end was non-existent. I think it got from bad to worse. I have

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never seen a Dragons side fall apart the way they did. People talk

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about going to Rodney Parade. It will be tough, competitive. You are

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up against a side that will never say die. For the first time I saw a

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side fall apart and not want to play, really. I feel sorry for

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Darren Edwards and the whole coaching team. The players have to

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take huge responsibility for that. How they bounce back, I don't know.

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Huge responsibility on the shoulder of the player, where should the

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blame lie largely, the players or the coaching staff or is this a

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wider malaise? It is is a difficult one, I think on that performance,

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even has to hold their hand up, whether, you know, they worked hard

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in the training session, leading up to it, we won't know. Ultimately it

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comes down to players to give that performance, and you know, it is a

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professional sport, it is your job, and if you give up, in any other

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job, most likely you would have a P45 and you are gone. And it does

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give ammunition to people who say that there are only enough good

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players for three regions in Wales. If that is the case, right, those

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players will be looking for work next year, that is the sad thing,

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unless, OK, sometimes you know you are not as good as some sides, but

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collectively you put the effort in and you work hard and I think that

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is what has happened in a lot of the times in the Dragon, and in

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Rodney maybe for whatever reason, good times have sides have come and

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they have beaten the Ospreys and Scarlets on numerous occasion,

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maybe on paper they are not the better side. On Friday, I wasn't

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there, I have looked at it on tape. It looks worse on tape because you

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know what is going to happen next. It is, and the players have really

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got to have a look at themselves, and it, as I said, next year, if

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they are back doing proper job, because at the moment, professional

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sportsmen, you know it is is a privileged position, if you roll

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over and let them Tickle your belly, you have had it. Was shouldn't take

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too much away from Glasgow. They are the form side in the league.

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But they have 19 players in the Scotland squad, some of them were

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back, the Dragons only have two player in the Welsh squad. They

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were better equipped to win that game. They should have been. They

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were playing at home. Certainly seem prepared. They started pretty

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well, but to me, when they came out second half they had given up. They

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were a side that wasn't, you are down by 20 points doesn't mean the

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game is over. You could see in their eye, as soon as they came out

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in the second half, they did want to know. I think, you know, I think

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the Glasgow team just fed off that. They started throwing the ball

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round from everywhere, playing with a smile on their face and scored

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great tries in the end. I think you can't allow to be doing that with a

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team like Glasgow, who are one of the form teams in the league.

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nightmare for the Dragons and a dispointing result for the Ospreys.

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It was a far cry from last week when they won on the road in

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Belfast. The man who scored the winning try will be dining out on

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that for many years to come. Know what the guys are like, they won't

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what the guys are like, they won't let me live it down. That is is a

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gooth good break. One more, Ryan Bevington to the line. The minute I

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mention something about the try I will get rinsed by the players and

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the guys. What a try for the the guys. What a try for the

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There is nobody bigger on the team I texted him the night before the

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game as you do to two of the boys, he said cheer, played well. I said,

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good try, never speak about it again! So, it is one of those

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things. Is that the first time you have scored a try of a similar ilk?

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No, I did score one many years years ago, under 19s. Very similar,

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same spot. Ball well taken. Ryan Bevington, can he go all the way?

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Yes he can. We celebrate the tries because it is not often we see a

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prop galloping away for 40, 50, 60 yards. You are one of those players

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that enjoys that aspect of the game? Yes, I think everybody has

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different fortes, and I do like to try and run round and get my hands

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on the ball. But you priority is scrummaging. Yes, the fist thing

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you look at scrummaging, everybody knows those are the tick boxes you

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have to get. After that anything else is a bonus. How it is going

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with the Welsh squad? I am enjoying it. It is is a good atmosphere, the

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boys are positive, after the win on the weekend, and they are looking

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forward to the next two game, they are a good bunch of boy, a lot of

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good friend. It is good. Watching somebody like Tipuric, I gives you

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confidence, he has been on the fringe, a dozen or so cap, but

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getting one opportunity and he can establish his place. That is what

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it is like. If you put pressure on players they will keep performing

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but all it say takes as this these levels, an injury and you are in. I

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was fortunate to break in. Then straight after that Gethin had his

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calf injury so I got brought in as well, and that is part of the

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injuries and the game, so hope any I will keep playing as I am and

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keep holding hand up. You have Edinburgh coming up this week,

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tough ask? Yes, it is will be a tough game, you know what they are

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like, they throw it round and everybody does their homework on

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them knows what to expect. Lynne Jones was involved with the Ospreys

:39:14.:39:18.

when your coming through, even suggesting that perhaps you are an

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outside bet for the Lion. Yes, I had a few messages say he was

:39:25.:39:29.

complimentary about myself. Am not sure about that. That is every

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player's what theys a pier to and what they want to reach, but I will

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have to wait and see. 6 -- aspire to. So a big game coming up for the

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Osprey, it is live on Friday, fanned you are a member of the

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armed forces you can get in free as part of their heroes day. There is

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a double bill on Friday we will show the under 20s the for an

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appetiser. After that defeat to Ireland the trip to Rome was

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looming like a dark cloud on the horzorpbgs but after the dust

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settled -- dust settled the mood has switched to one of optimism. We

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have slipped up on a couple of occasion s in Rome in the past,

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what can bects this time round? Expect. What happened to the plucky

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losers? Any doubts as to Italy's place at the top table of Europe in

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rugby were truly dispelled on the opening weekend of this years

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campaign as the French came and stuck in Rome for a second

:40:27.:40:37.
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successive time. -- came unstuck. Here in Wales we are already too

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aware of the dangers of taking the relative newcomers for granted.

:40:42.:40:47.

Steve Hansen's men arrived with one 100% record against the Italians.

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They left humiliated. With one man bearing the brund of the backlash.

:40:54.:41:00.

Four years later, and the nation had a new villain. Referee Chris

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White learning the lessons of failing to synchronise watches and

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Wales have won in Rome. In fact the record stand at four Six Nations

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wins from six. And Italy, so impressive against the French, look

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distinctively average against Scotland a week later. But Saturday,

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we will see a new chapter in the saga as the battle moves to a new

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arena. Well some news today, Parisse was sent off on the weekend

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for allegedly insulting the referee, now, he will have a hearing this

:41:45.:41:51.

week, but the news is he could be suspended for the Wales game, the

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maximum penty is a year if he is found guilty for offending the

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referee, or insulting the referee. That is a massive blow nor Italy.

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It is great news for us! He is Italy. I can't remember seeing

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Parisse have a bad game for Italy. He influences the players round him.

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World class player, and, you know, he we will be having our fingers

:42:17.:42:20.

crossed all week. It's a tough place to play, after the

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performance and the win out in France, Wales would have wanted a

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home game, but certainly, we can go out there and win, especially with

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Parisse out. It is important to guard against complacency, Italy,

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well beaten by Scotland in Murrayfield, but perhaps the score

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line flattered Scotland. They are a different proposition in Rome.

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are. They were fantastic against France. France have shown they are

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not the side we expected them to be. The talisman looks like he will be

:42:47.:42:50.

missing but they have good player, one thing about the Italian side,

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if you look up front they are all ball carrier, they are aggressive.

:42:56.:42:59.

They have more dimension, they are shaer, they will look to bounce

:42:59.:43:03.

back. They have had the beating of tpwhaels the past. This is a huge

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game for them. But no doubt in my mind we have the cape bill

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capability of going and getting success. You said they were going

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to win, why? Nay have their confidence back after the wifpblt

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you don't become a bad side overnight. The Conference is back

:43:18.:43:22.

and I hope -- confidence is back, I hope they will play play confidence.

:43:22.:43:28.

I am confident they would beat Italy, and if they started well,

:43:28.:43:32.

quite convincingly. But the Italians might play, with Parisse

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