Episode 9 Super League Show

Hello. The Super League Show becomes the Challenge Cup Show this week, as

for the first time we bring you highlights from every game hn the

highlights from every game in the fourth round of this great old

competition. My two guests have both been involved in the thick of the

action, which began with a thrilling Thursday night in Hull. But that was

just the start of it. Huddersfield had the giant task of stopphng

just the start of it. Huddersfield had the giant task of stopping the

unbeaten league leaders. Cotld had the giant task of stopphng the

unbeaten league leaders. Cotld the holders avoid a giant killing at a

Rammed stadium in Dewsbury? And there were tries aplenty, as we see

how everyone fared in round four. Brian Noble and Andrew Henddrson are

here. We begin with the tie of the round. St Helens have been the stand

out team of the Super League round. St Helens have been the stand

out team of the Super Leagud season out team of the Super Leagud season

so far, with seven straight victories. By contrast last season's

league leaders, Huddersfield, have had a much shakier start, with

league leaders, Huddersfield, have had a much shakier start, whth just

had a much shakier start, with just one win in their last six. But in

the cup anything can happen. Dave Woods and Jonathan Davies describe

Woods and Jonathan Davies ddscribe an incredible game.

The defence is good enough for the moment. There are still tackles to

come. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant. Adam Swift finishing in

the corner. He will be the first to thank the Saint Helen 's number

the corner. He will be the first to thank the Saint Helen 's nulber six.

12 times winners of the challenge cup, Saint Helens.

Nagin 's and will finish! `` Megginson. Another superb try.

Again, from the quick play of the ball. They spot the space on the

right hand side. Simple pass. Great try.

Murphy made the gap. Should have given it. Has he managed to smother

his way over? Phil Bentham is not his way over? Phil Bentham is not

sure. He doesn't know. Let's put it to the video referee. Ian Slith

what news? The ball is on the ground. You can see that he is over

the line with his body. That is a try. Definite try. They like it.

try. Definite try. They likd it They were giving the video referee

the slow handclap a few moments ago. They will forgive him now.

Wardle! It was a midair battle between Wardle and Turner. The young

Huddersfield centre wins out. Huddersfield get their second try.

It is all squared again. `` it is all square.

Finished by Lunt! Hang on. Hang on. The touch judge has a say here.

The touch judge has a say hdre. Obstruction is what they are looking

Obstruction is what they ard looking at. The angle that the lead runners

coming through, he is running the writing of. Does the man kept the

ball in the right`hand shoulder He does. There is nothing wrong with

that. We are happy with that. He grounds it fine. That is a try.

Brilliantly executed try. Great support by Lunt.

Lomax dotmacro he has gone down on his head. This is where it takes

off. It looked nasty, didn't it? It off. It looked nasty, didn't it It

looked nasty. This could be crucial. There is a red card. Red card for

Brett Ferres. Huddersfield Town to 12. `` Huddersfield are down to 12.

They have got the numbers. Great finish! He seems to do that every

week. He loves the spectacular. He has done it again. The second of the

day. St Helens Our right back in it. Penalty! Penalty to St Helens.

Nathan Brown immediately saxs kick Nathan Brown immediately saxs kick

for goal. This is surely unmissable. It is 16`16. Not many nails will

survive this next five minutes. Three tackles gone. Three to go.

What are they doing? Just go midfield. Go first man. It hs

What are they doing? Just go midfield. Go first man. It is off

midfield. Go first man. It hs off the ground. He has missed it! Danny

Brough was celebrating. The referee says it has gone wide. He w`s

says it has gone wide. He was convinced it had gone over. The

referee says no, it didn't. What do you reckon? What about that? What

about that? That is over. I think that is over. That will be a

about that? That is over. I think that is over. That will be ` talking

point. That will be more than a point. That will be more than a

talking point. From that angle it is not over. It remains all square.

talking point. From that angle it is not over. It remains all sqtare St

not over. It remains all square. St Helens right up there. Walsh with a

drop goal! He has nailed it That Helens right up there. Walsh with a

drop goal! He has nailed it! That is drop goal! He has nailed it! That is

how you do it. This time thd referee how you do it. This time the referee

lifts his arm. The Huddersfheld fans lifts his arm. The Huddersfield fans

are disgusted. The St Helens are jubilant.

Brian, an incredible ending. Let's get straight into the controversy.

Phil Bentham opting not to go to the video referee. What do you think?

Yes, the technology is available. We see two shots at the death, one is

conclusive, the other is not. It is a difficult one. But two handed over

at least would have probablx a difficult one. But two handed over

at least would have probably solve a at least would have probably solve a

few problems. If you look at this one, that looks as though it is

going through the middle of the posts. You cannot see where it is

going over. That one it looks like it may be over the post. There is

it may be over the post. Thdre is your definitive answer. If you stick

it through the middle, it is over. Nathan Brown said the best bit of

their play was the desperation they their play was the desperation they

showed on the drop goals. There were other points in the game th`t were

controversial. One of the other controversial points was the sending

controversial points was thd sending off of Brett Ferres. Arguably that

was more of a turning point than the drop goal? Absolutely. It w`s

was more of a turning point than the drop goal? Absolutely. It was the

drop goal? Absolutely. It w`s the right call. He deserved a sending

off. Wrestlemania is on at the moment, and I don't know if he has

been watching that. It was unfortunate for Huddersfield. They

were well on top. It is nasty. He put him in a poor position. That is

four or eight games he will receive. It was a pivotal point in the game.

They looked comfortable at that point, Huddersfield. Nathan Brown

saying afterwards it is one of the worst games they have played, yet

they stuck in there? Yes, they found a way to win it. Huddersfield were

in control. They kind of lost the game. Brett Ferres gave Saint Helens

the impetus to get back into it. game. Brett Ferres gave Saint Helens

the impetus to get back into it I the impetus to get back into it I

think they got awarded a penalty as well when Walmsley dropped the ball.

They can consider themselves unlucky. Plenty of talking points.

The first of the 16 fourth round ties was at the KC Stadium, where

Hull FC entertained Brian Noble s Salford. It was less than a week

since the Red Devils had been since the Red Devils had bedn

battered and bruised in the Super League by their opponents. Dave

Woods and Andrew here were on hand to witness the rematch.

Crooks gets a good pass awax. Larrondo gets in on the corner! ``

Aaron Dell. Chase runs a hole in the defence and

gets a second Salford try. Scores the dry! Absolutely

telepathic between the two of them. Delaney has lasted. Jamie Shore

picks it up! He will not score any easier try. `` and easier try.

Jordan Rankin with a dart and a dash.

Salford are right back in the game again. That try might prove the

difference here tonight will stop that gave the home side a ten

difference here tonight will stop that gave the home side a tdn point

that gave the home side a ten point advantage with a quarter of an hour

to play. But the Red Devils would not lie

down and responded with the try of the game.

What a fantastic try from junior source. Absolutely sensational.

With a little over five minutes source. Absolutely sensational.

With a little over five minttes to go, Ben Crooks kick Hull ahead. It

go, Ben Crooks kick Hull ahdad. It goes to Rangi Chase.

Francis Meli scores the try. Jake Mullaney had to kick that from the

touchline. 36 points apiece, we are going into golden point extra time.

Rangi Chase has put it over. Celebrations all over the field.

Celebrations all over the fheld Salford have done it.

What an ending to the game `nd what a pressure kick on the corner from

a pressure kick on the corndr from Jake Mullaney? The way the team

galvanised themselves and kept finding ways to get back in the

game. We were disappointed hn the way we played in the main, but the

effort, and the desire towards the end. And the skill. This kick from

Jake Mullaney, that is pressure It Jake Mullaney, that is pressure. It

was a fantastic game. It reinvents the magic of the cup. These games,

even in the the magic of the cup. These games,

even in earlier rounds, we can see some captivating read the league.

Both teams tussling for the lead and then Salford just had enough to get

over the line in the end. The morning after, you are removed

from your post, and Iestyn Harris had been approached, we thotght as

an assistant, so when you got the phone call, what reason we are

phone call, what reason we `re given? I think that should remain

between myself and Martin Vickers. I between myself and Martin Vickers. I

met them on Friday morning. I probably didn't expect the

conversation to go the way that it did, but you move on. What was your

reaction? I was over the moon, as you can imagine. You just h`ve

reaction? I was over the moon, as you can imagine. You just have to

listen and take it in. Then you have to go away and think about ht. You

have been offered the role as have been offered the role `s

director of football, can you say whether you accept that or not? I

will probably make my mind up in the will probably make my mind tp in the

next couple of days. Iestyn comes in and replaces you, what type of job

does he have on his hands? Ht is a does he have on his hands? It is a

dream job. He has a talented bunch of players. We went through some

trials and tribulations at the start of the year, but I have nevdr been

more confident a group of people more confident a group of pdople

will go on and be successful. Will he be left alone to do that job?

That is something you should ask him. Wembley will host this year's

final on Saturday August 23rd and one of this weekend's ties dvoked

memories of arguably the stadium's memories of arguably the stadium's

most famous and most dramathc Challenge Cup Final moment.

It is a try. A sensational drive. A last`minute try. What a dralatic

last`minute try. What a dramatic finish. He has missed its ex`macro

he is on the grounds, he has missed it. Always wanted to come to

Wembley. It must have been ` Wembley. It must have been a

desperate situation to occur? Shocking, I cannot speak, I am too

upset. You have been awarded the most outstanding player on the

field. Thank you, David. Anx field. Thank you, David. Anx

consolation to you? Not really, no. Every emotion in the book

encapsulating. This is the dash`macro disappointing for the

Wakefield side. I don't think they did themselves justice. Somd

Wakefield side. I don't think they did themselves justice. Some of

Wakefield side. I don't think they did themselves justice. Somd of the

energy from this performance did themselves justice. Some of the

energy from this performance was lacking. It is a strong teal, but

they ran out of interchange is, how much will that cost them? Teams

they ran out of interchange is, how much will that cost them? Tdams like

much will that cost them? Teams like Wakefield, they don't have big

squads. It is difficult if xou lose your best players or players that

might keep you in a game, btt your best players or players that

might keep you in a game, but Leeds might keep you in a game, but Leeds

Rhinos are running hot at the moment. Rob Burrow, flying around

moment. Rob Burrow, flying `round and playing the way he is playing.

It is a big ask of any team. To get them in the Challenge Cup in this

form is a tough ask. Wakefidld them in the Challenge Cup in this

form is a tough ask. Wakefield 's form is a tough ask. Wakefidld s

have to pick themselves up? They have a week now to prepare for their

next game. They will have to be a lot better, Wakefield if thdy

next game. They will have to be a lot better, Wakefield if they are

lot better, Wakefield if thdy are going to compete in the Super

League. Leeds did lose out to Saint Helens, did you see a chink in their

armour? No, it was a fantastic game. They played well on the night. Brian

McDermott is smart enough to know they have enough in their tank to

beat Saint Helens at the right time and in the right place. Paul Aiton

will be out for a while with the medical condition? Yes, it was a big

coup for them when they brotght him in. It is a shame because he is a

fantastic player. Rob Burrow, when he gets in at dummy half is

electric. A lot of energy. Look this finish. It is fantastic. He still

has a lot of life in those legs and plenty of opportunities for other

players. Leeds are marching on and they are looking good for the

season? To put 60 points on an albeit slightly fractured Wakefield

albeit slightly fractured W`kefield team is no mean feat. This was a

closer game at Hull KR? It was a great game. Hull KR are very tough

great game. Hull KR are verx tough to beat. They have an ability in

open field. What I like about to beat. They have an ability in

open field. What I like abott Hull open field. What I like abott Hull

KR at the moment, they had ` shaky start but they have improved in

recent weeks. They pushed Warrington recent weeks. They pushed Warrington

all the way to the end. Warrington improving, and Tony said they

grafting, which is not what you would normally associate with

Warrington? It is important you work your way out of poor form. They

still have this flair and ability to off`load the ball. It typifies with

that try from Evans. They fdel off`load the ball. It typifhes with

that try from Evans. They feel they are getting better and you can see

them getting better. Hull KR ran them all the way. They showdd

them getting better. Hull KR ran them all the way. They showed huge

them all the way. They showdd huge character? They went in at half`time

in front of them Warrington came back. And Hull KR got their noses in

front. Russell was unbeliev`ble Fantastic individual play from both

teams. You look at the try @tkins teams. You look at the try Atkins

scored, the desperation to get the ball over the line and that is what

the Challenge Cup is. Warrington go through. Three of Super League's

form teams had tricky ties hn West form teams had tricky ties hn West

Yorkshire against Championship clubs. Widnes travelled to Halifax,

Castleford to Batley, while the holders Wigan were at Dewsbury on

Friday night. A strong start for the cup holders.

You won't score easier tries than that this season, Joe Burgess. Greg

Scott who fumbled. Two tries in quick succession the Joe Burgess.

What a performance it has been quick succession the Joe Burgess.

What a performance it has bden from What a performance it has been from

Dewsbury. Dale Morton has scored the Dewsbury. Incredible scenes. Great

stuff. Here come Wigan again. It is a hat`trick. What a find, what a

season. Joe Burgess with a hat`trick for Wigan. Here come the cup`holders

again. Wigan have got anothdr for Wigan. Here come the cup`holders

again. Wigan have got anothdr one. They really are turning the screw

now. Matty Smith and Burgess. Four now. Matty Smith and Burgess. Four

tries the Joe Burgess. Four out of five on the night for Wigan. It is

all too easily in the end. Iain Thornley scores another Wig`n try.

Thornley scores another Wigan try. They really are stamping thdir

Thornley scores another Wig`n try. They really are stamping their class

They really are stamping thdir class on the match. It is a great break

from Taylor. Terrific off`load. Matty Smith with another Wigan

tried. That was class. Dewsbury have given it a real go. No surprise it

has been one`way traffic in this second half. Taylor again. What a

moment of the young George Williams, the teenager scords for

Williams, the teenager scores for Wigan. Iain Thornley, under the

posts. You have got to feel sorry for Dewsbury. Lovely sidestep.

posts. You have got to feel sorry for Dewsbury. Lovely sidestdp. What

a great try from Blake Green. Wigan are on the road to Wembley.

Castleford Tigers possession and looking for the early breakthrough.

Dawn is in and cattle or blded. Dawn is in and cattle or blded.

Great opportunity that the Tigers. Carney scores. Batley Avenud

Great opportunity that the Tigers. Carney scores. Batley Avenue had

Great opportunity that the Tigers. Carney scores. Batley Avenud had a

lot of defending to do. Could he go all the way? I don't think he will

be caught. What a try this hs all the way? I don't think he will

be caught. What a try this is in be caught. What a try this hs in the

Challenge Cup. A smile from Josh Griffin and he is over. A sdcond

attempt and Carney scores a second try. Ellis is the dummy half.

Castleford moving laterally. Big gap and it is a second for Luke Dorn. It

is all cattle food now and it and it is a second for Luke Dorn. It

is all cattle food now and it will open up on the far side. Ellis is

still inside if he needs him. still inside if he needs hil.

Castleford pulling away. Ellis under the post for another try. Thgers,

Castleford pulling away. Ellis under the post for another try. Tigers, 20

away. Snead this time goes hn. You away. Snead this time goes hn. You

sense there were still more points for the Tigers. Look at that from

Shenton. The hat`trick for Carney. Left to right this time from

Shenton. The hat`trick for Carney. Left to right this time frol the

Left to right this time from the Tigers. Batley are starting to look

jaded. Castleford are not done yet. Another break and it is Ellis

jaded. Castleford are not done yet. Another break and it is Ellhs again.

Wealden went inside him and Scott Wheeldon is over. Final mintte of

Wheeldon is over. Final minute of the game, is a consolation for

Batley? Lee Patterson is in. Halifax have believed all week they

can give Widnes a scare. Halifax are on the board! What a start for the

championship side! They have been championship side! They havd been

perfect in these early stages. perfect in these early stagds.

Wide`open dotmacro Gareth Potts gets another Halifax try. Widnes cannot

believe it. Desperate to get back in the game. Clark! It was all too

easy. They are back in the game. easy. They are back in the game.

Hovi needed that. Really under the cosh in the first half. A great

start to the second. Brown is in. start to the second. Brown is in.

The 100th try of his career. Great cake by Brown. Flynn with the drive.

`` try. Hume scorers! Masters of their own downfall in the second

half, Halifax. What a turnaround. 22 unanswered points for the stper

unanswered points for the super league side. Make that 26. Joseph

with another try. Five wins out of six in super league. On thehr

with another try. Five wins out of six in super league. On their way to

six in super league. On thehr way to the last 16. A fitting finale. Kevan

Brown has been absolutely brilliant in this second half. He has guided

Widnes into the fifth round. If all those games had ended at

about 60 minutes, they would have been different scorelines. Hs the

been different scorelines. Is the fitness one of the big diffdrence

is? Yes, and the tempo, the speed of play that super league sides have.

They are used to playing at a certain kind of intensity. The

championship clubs will alw`ys certain kind of intensity. The

championship clubs will always rise championship clubs will always rise

to the occasion and will colpete for to the occasion and will colpete for

half a game. But again, we see a lot of tries scored in the last 20

minutes. That is because thd of tries scored in the last 20

minutes. That is because thd players are out on their feet. A lot of

these guys have worked Monday are out on their feet. A lot of

these guys have worked Mond`y to these guys have worked Monday to

Friday, nine to five. When we look ahead to next season, how are they

going to bridge that gap? It is a tough ask, isn't it? The squads

going to bridge that gap? It is a tough ask, isn't it? The sqtads will

tough ask, isn't it? The squads will be picked with probably thrde times

the amount of salaries they can play. They will have to play against

play. They will have to plax against teams in the Super League. It is a

teams in the Super League. Ht is a tough ask. One of the Wigan, Joe

Burgess, scoring four tries. He looks a really good prospect,

doesn't the? He has an outstanding start to this season. It is great to

see young British talent coling see young British talent coling

through. He is a real finisher. He is scoring tries. Exciting times

ahead for that young fellow. It is indeed. We've seen four

ahead for that young fellow. It is indeed. We've seen fotr of

ahead for that young fellow. It is indeed. We've seen four of the

all Super League ties ` the final one was in the South of France where

Catalan played host to London. Laurant Frassynous said afterwards,

Brian, that it wasn't prettx. Laurant Frassynous said aftdrwards,

Brian, that it wasn't pretty. They got through? They did get through.

That is the nature of the ctp. You That is the nature of the cup. You

just want to be in the next round. A good try from price to start. Marton

comes up with the mother. The Catalans have too much in the end.

Can London take heart from scoring 24 points? To they have to take

something. It is important they continue to fight on. 24 points

something. It is important they continue to fight on. 24 pohnts is

continue to fight on. 24 points is probably the most they have scored

all season. They have two hold onto something. Bradford, and easier game

against old. What do you make of Bradford? They were clearly too good

for all time. `` old. Now the serious stuff comes with thd new

serious stuff comes with the new owner of in Salford. They are

getting some players back, which is encouraging. Ferguson played this

week. Whatmore players do they need to bring in? That is France's

Cummings `` that is France's Cummings decision to make. Not many

teams will be looking to release their better players. When they look

at the championship? Possibly. No reason why they shouldn't either.

Some of the products that h`ve come He is going for the corner! The long

past received everybody. `` deceived. Sheffield left thd

deceived. Sheffield left the challenge cup trophy for thd first

challenge cup trophy for the first time in their history. `` ldft.

Andrew, great memories. Did Mark evoke these ahead of the gale

against London Skolars? He talks about it every week, Tanya! It is

fantastic that we have got that history to draw from in the cup

competition. London Skolars proved a test for us. A team in the lower

division. They came with a lot of enthusiasm. They managed to score a

lot of points against us. Wd saw some fantastic tries scored by us

again. The back three devastating. It is an squad? It certainlx

again. The back three devastating. It is an squad? It certainly is.

again. The back three devastating. It is an squad? It certainlx is We

It is an squad? It certainly is. We have some Samoans, we've evdn

It is an squad? It certainlx is We have some Samoans, we've even got

have some Samoans, we've evdn got me, licorice all soared. To rack up

70 point takes a fair bit of effort, no matter what the opposition. How

often does a prop forward get no matter what the opposition. How

often does a prop forward gdt a hat`trick in a game? Six ties left.

Let's begin with the championship leaders, lead century and is `` lead

century Inns. Lee were proving too hot for the

Hornets to handle. Ridyard waltzed through unopposed. That stung the

Hornets into life. They responded with a couple of tries before

half`time. First, Casey. Thdn with a couple of tries before

half`time. First, Casey. Then Wayne half`time. First, Casey. Thdn Wayne

English. The first second`half score English. The first second`half score

always felt crucial and it went to Leigh. McNally added another soon

after. Rochdale rallied with two tries. Including this second from

Wayne English. Leigh Kept them out in the final quarter.

It took Featherstone Rovers just two minutes to score. It became a

procession for Featherstone as they ran in five first`half tries. It

went from bad to worse for the North Wales Crusaders. Rovers were already

Wales Crusaders. Rovers werd already out of sight at half`time. The

Featherstone flare came to the fore as they ran riot after the break.

Great handling and a great try from Will Sharp. His ninth of the

season. The North Wales nightmare got worse. Mendeika completdd

season. The North Wales nightmare got worse. Mendeika completed his

got worse. Mendeika completdd his hat`trick. A 66`0 rout.

Doncaster hammered Hemel St`gs. hat`trick. A 66`0 rout.

Doncaster hammered Hemel Stags. The Doncaster hammered Hemel St`gs. The

first`half broke the Stags. Richard Wilkinson scoring the best of the

tries. Hemel Stags hit back. Ingerfield

with this wonderful solo try. Hemel Stags hit back. Ingerfield

with this wonderful solo trx. That with this wonderful solo trx. That

pulled it back to 22`12. Jales Hill brought them within four. Doncaster

pulled away after half`time. Chris Iceberg scored the first of two

tries in the second half. `` spore. Paul Cook, Doncaster player coach,

wrestled his way over in the corner. wrestled his way over in thd corner.

Doncaster easing through to the next round.

Well, most of the ties, it's fair to say, went as one might have

expected, but if there was a say, went as one might have

expected, but if there was ` "shock" expected, but if there was ` "shock"

it was at the South Leeds Stadium, where Hunslet were hosting

Workington. The only real upset saw hunts lit

sea of Workington. The damage was done in the first`half. `` Hunslet.

This breakaway extended the lead. Liam Mackay with the finish in the

left`hand corner. Workington had to respond and they did. Two tries from

Brett Carter, this was the first. It got them back to 19`10. The clincher

though came three minutes from time. Stuart Kane sending the Hawks flying

high in to challenge cup round Stuart Kane sending the Hawks flying

high in to challenge cup rotnd five. high in to challenge cup round five.

It has been a tough baptism for Bobbie Goulding, Wembley hero with

Saint Helens in 1996. He described Bara's performance as embarrassing.

`` barrel will stop a capittlation before half`time. They conceded

three tries in six minutes. The first came from Paul White. Barrow

did get within six points. Andrew Dawson found a gap early in the

second half. But Keithley always had the edge. Player coach Paul March

scored just before the hour. Richie Barnett celebrated the 200th game of

his career with his second try. He took it in some style as Keithley

ran out comfortable winners. It turned into a thriller bdtween

Swinton Lions and York city Knights. There was no sign of the drama

Swinton Lions and York city Knights. There was no sign of the dr`ma to

come early on as Swinton took a firm grip with three tries in quhck

grip with three tries in quick succession. It got better. Hawkyard,

who scored a hat`trick in the last round against Gateshead, scored two

more. This effort made it 22`12 at the break. York battled back bravely

in the second half. It was 28 each with minutes remaining. An upset was

on the card. In the end, Swhnton on the card. In the end, Swinton

pinched it with a penalty and a drop goal from Atkin. So that's `ll

pinched it with a penalty and a drop goal from Atkin. So that's all 16

goal from Atkin. So that's `ll 6 ties concluded.

Let's take a look at how thd ties concluded.

Let's take a look at how the winners were paired together in round five.

It has to be said, Andrew, ` It has to be said, Andrew, a

fantastic tie for you to get back to Castleford? No absolutely f`ntastic,

Tanya. Really excited. The last time I featured there was in a vhctory in

I featured there was in a victory in the challenge cup for Barrow. Will

be hoping to repeat that. Undoubtedly the tie of the round,

Leeds against Saints? I don't think Saints will play as badly as they

did at the weekend. That is not being disrespectful. You have to

beat the best team to get to the final. Tough on Hunslet to go to

Wigan but fantastic to see them through. Fantastic. The fifth round

is just three weeks away, btt through. Fantastic. The fifth round

is just three weeks away, but its is just three weeks away, but its

back to Super League action this weekend.

We are back next week at the same time on BBC One.

Thank you very much for your company. It has been a packed

Thank you very much for your company. It has been a packdd old

programme. That is it from us will programme. That is it from ts will

stop back to Super League next week. `` that's it from Oz.