22/09/2016 The Premier League Show

Welcome to the Premier League Show here at the National Football

Joining me this week is Kevin Kilbane.

I'll be talking to him later about his old club Sunderland

as well as the other big stories from the last 7 days.

We've also got Jermaine Jenas casting an eye over Spurs' start

to the season and Romesh Ranganathan gives us his take on

But first, having guided Bournemouth from the bottom of League Two

to the Premier League, with a short stint at Burnley

in between, Eddie Howe has emerged as one of the brightest

prospects in management, and he's English!

Gary Lineker has taken a trip to the South Coast

After you, sir. Thank you.

Thank you very much for having me down.

Pleasure. Here it is, not one of the bigger

grounds in the Premier League? You can say that. It is unusual for the

Premier League teams to play in this environment. But the pitch is

lovely. And usually with the association you get a smaller

ground, horrible pitch. From that perspective there is no complaint.

The player surface is important for you, you like to keep it on the

ground. You are not the manager from throw-back time, you like to play?

We like to play. We made a pledge to our eaves that from promotion, we

would not change. We would keep doing what got to us this position.

Playing outstanding football in the championship, and I would not want

to be a manager if I changed what I believe in.

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Did you feel there was a turning point when you felt you were coming

to terms with the Premier League stuff? As I hosted games that were

tight together, the Everton game where we came back 3-3 and the

Chelsea and the Manchester United game, we won back to back. That was

the turning point. That week or couple of weeks gave the players a

belief we could stay in the division.

Where did it come from? Your ethos, the way you believe football should

be played? You would not have grown up watching that football. It has

crept in over the years. I grew up watching you... Definitely

not, then! My vision of football has really changed. As a player you play

to win, to succeed individually and as part of a team. When I became a

coach, I had to view it differently. As I have grown older as a coach, I

moulded ply ideas and philosophies, to this point I want to play

attractive football, I want people to pay to watch my team. Yeah, I

did, actually, I watched a lot of you as a kid.

Blimey, those were the days. So long ago now.

Does it feel a different world for you? As in a life time away? It is

30 years, more than half of my life. Yeah.

So, this is my office. Quite a cold office.

It is chilly, isn't it! Someone put the air conon.

They have. You have a few philosophical things going on. Do

you spend a lot of time thinking about the game? Does it sometimes

become an obsession? It does, absolutely it is very much my life.

I think obsession is probably the right word.

Do you have to have a word with yourself, to say, have a bit of

perspective here? No, I can't do that. That is how immersed I am! I

think you accept in this type of job, that is how you are going to be

until you're out of it. If the players are really honest and

I had a chat with them, what do you thinker their opinion of you would

be? That's a good question. I finally asked a good question!

That is a good question, though. I think that they would say I'm

obsessive. Driven to, I would hope that they would say I'm driven to

achieve. Do you care if they like you? I'm

not interested if they like me as a person, I would hope that they

would. But the main thing is that I hope that they respected the fact

that I worked hard for them. He's a quiet guy but with a good

influence on the football pitch. You have a young family, I suppose

that managing must take up a hell of a lot of time. How do you get the

balance twieth wean the two? It is a tough one for me and moo I family. I

believe to do the job right, you have to fully explicit. They are

long days. A press conference at 8.00am, who does that? No-one! But,

yeah, I have great family, two lovely boys, a dog, my lovely wife.

What time are you in? 6.30. How ambitious are you? I would say

I've always been incredibly ambitious. As a player I was

determined to get to the top but I never got there. As a manager, my

thoughts are slightly different. I'm fiercely ambitious for this club.

That's why I asked the question. If you are that ambitious as a person

and as a coach, do you not feel at some stage to get to the top or to

be perceived like Pepe Guardiola or Jose Mourinho, do you feel you would

have to move on? I think if I want to be the best manager I have to be,

I have to get now right. That is why I Ahmadinejad barbs for the team. If

the club does well, the team do well, everyone benefits.

This this is where we dour videos it is a bit dark. This is where the

players sit and see good or bad clips of themselves.

Do you go through every detail or pick out individual bits? Just

individual bits. You know what players are like, you don't want to

overload them with too much. That is a good point. Age sits and

statistics room sn. So they can watch the games and

training. Do they do that? Yes, a new

generation of players are interested in this side of things. They know

how to work a computer. Things have changed.

The worketh cringe, is that something you were brought up with?

It must have been. I think I feel I had a great childhood. Really well

looked after by my mum. One of five kids. Not a rich family. It was very

much humble beginnings and really a childhood spent in a park kicking a

ball. I have seen you mention the fact how

important, how significant your mother was to you and to your career

and everything that happened to you, I know you lost her a few years ago

is that very much the case? Yeah, very much so. One of five kids, a

single parent, having to bring those five kids up with no money. It was a

difficult situation for her. You are looking at people, as a kid, you are

looking at someone as a role model, to inspire you to make something of

your life, she always had a positive outlook. If I can give her a

compliment, if I can take a bit of the adversity she overcame, then I

have done that. What you have achieved here is

extraordinary, isn't it? It is, when you are in it and living it every

day you don't realise what has happened. If you had said a few

years ago that Bournemouth can get into the championship, it would have

been a tough ask ask, I would have said. Can they win it, I would have

said that is probably not possible, and retain the status, no chance.

But, we have gone some way to doing that.

How do you do that? What is the secret? There is no secret.

Intelligence? The main thing is hard work. Everyone is different. There

are some players open and want to become better so they will let me

coach them and change them. But some players are like, they are good as

they are, they don't want outside influences changing them. I find

that difficult as I'm hands on with all of my players, I want to push

them to new levels. Do you lose it occasionally? I do

have a dark side. I would say I only developed that from managing. I

would are myself quite a placid, friendly guy who could mould himself

to most situations but when managing and the winning and the losing comes

in, you know, I've always considered myself - I want to win.

Does it affect your weekend badly when you lose? It affects moo I

life. Does it? Yeah, my moods, my outlook on life is certainly

different. But I have my edge, if I see unprofessionalism, people not

giving their all, then we will not get on.

How many staff do you have? It is growing. Especially on the analyst

side, there is lots of... Oops, there you go. A new signing! You

didn't expect to see that. I didn't expect to see that. He's got

control. Good move.

So that's our analyst room. That's the analyst! Hang on, what is

this, a Wheel of Fortune? When someone does not adhere to the

rules, so is late, instead of me fining them, this is a system we use

that is slightly different. A tenner is not much to a modern day

Premier League player? But it means that we give ?1,000 to charity. It

is a good way of the players giving back.

It's a good idea. In terms of watching the other players and the

style of football, we are getting big name managers in this country,

Guardiola, miles an hour evenow, Jurgen Klopp, et cetera, do you

think we overlook homegrown coaches a little? I don't know. I'm in

favour of the best person regardless of their nationality. I have no

problem with the fact that the Premier League does not have has

many English, British managers as we should. We have to prove ourselves.

So with the new managers coming in it is great. I love it

You must look at it overall, there are so few English coach, you have

had excellent longevity at Bournemouth, does the England job

appeal down the line? Well, after watching you play for England for

many years and really willing England to win a major tournament

and being so immersed in the feeling of pride in your country, the

England job is the ultimate. I would never is a "no". It is not something

that I want to consider but it is not something in my immediate

thoughts. They are this club and this job.

Boot rooms are much more colourful than they were in my day. It was

always black and white. Even mine.

The coaches are the only black and white.

Old school. Eddie, I really appreciate you giving your time to

us. It's been fascinating. I wish you all the very best.

Thank you very much. It's been really nice to meet you.

Likewise. I like seeing behind the scenes of a

club because things change so much. What was it like in your day, was it

as futuristic? It brings you back to when I had nothing, the game has

changed in my career. Over the last five or six years we had access to

the things they've got, the video technology, the computers for the

players to watch their own analysis. That's where the game has changed

dramatically over the last ten, 15 years and he's the example of the

modern-day manager. Still so young and he's at the vanguard of the

technology. He has also been praised and touted for the big jobs, Gary

mentioned England and some people have mentioned Arsenal. Is it

realistic that and in this manager is going to take over at a top four

club? It looks unlikely. The top clubs now, the first port of call is

to Europe. The better managers have been managing at Champions League

level. It would be nice if we could see our own managers progressing and

doing well in the Premier League first of all and then getting one of

these big jobs. This is what the Premier League are aiming towards,

this is what the managers are aiming for and it must be the goal.

Thinking about why these opportunities are not there, it is

something that big Sam used to be known. Is it because of foreign

ownership, the foreign consortiums look to the following managers? I

think there's an argument in that but if you look at Sam Allardyce, he

would have always targeted the England manager's job. He hasn't

necessarily managed at a top four club to get that position so it

Eddie Howe is targeting England, he doesn't necessarily need to manage a

top four club before he got the job although it is a long way in the

future for him. Still no English manager has won the Premier League.

It is quite poignant in the weeks we are looking at Arsene Wenger, more

so next week, 20 years ago, there were 14 English managers in the

Premier League when he took the job, only two foreign coaches including

him and Ruud Gullit. The game has changed, different landscape from

the player's perspective and the managers and coaches.

Bournemouth's humbling at Manchester City was just one

of the headlines from a busy seven days in the Premier League.

# "A Head Full of Dreams" - Coldplay #

COMMENTATOR: The Shard into the back of the net, what a beauty from

Jordan Henderson! We are happy with the start, everything is good. It is

the Belgian. Simple as that. Oh, what a pass, Gundogan. Fabulous

football. Manchester City have four. Once again, the play from Kevin was

terrific, an outstanding player. Fletcher, Rondon, to make it four,

for West Bromwich. Rondon, Chadli and it is another horror show for

West Ham. Troy Deeney. And Watford will celebrate this day. Manchester

United beaten. We had a defeat. Some of the boys are having a bit of

difficulty to cope with that negativity. Townsend coming

galloping forwards, he may fancy it himself. He does, he scores and

Stoke City conceding four goals in a match for the third time in the

opening five games of the season. We are shipping to many goals, we need

to get back on track. So, Manchester City's

perfect start continues. Everton creep up to second as

Manchester United's fall to seventh following two consecutive

Premier League defeats. Whilst at the bottom,

West Ham fall below the dreaded dotted line to join winless

Sunderland and Stoke Manchester United got a victory in

the EFL cup but Jose Mourinho was critical of what seemed to be the

press criticising him, having criticised his players at the

weekend and singling out players as well. Did that happen to you as a

player ever? A lot of criticism for the few bad games I've had in my

career! We've got a compilation tape! The criticism, most manager,

every manager would have criticised me and other players as well in one

way or another. But to the press? No. Not on the scale that Mourinho

has done it over the last year or two, not just the last few weeks. I

think it starts to create disharmony within the club and that is where

you start to get these sorts of problems that can manifest further

down the line. He has experienced this with Chelsea last season. Quite

dramatic, what appeared to be a big divide in the dressing room because

he criticised players. It seems very early to be replicating that

behaviour. Almost two years ahead of himself! Of course frustration comes

into it, we all accept that and it is a pressurised job and we've all

got to appreciate that. I think sometimes you must choose your

words. The words he's been using of certain players over the last few

weeks, I think it's going to affect the morale of the team going

forward. You're never going to get the best out of a player doing that.

Not in my experience because players will try and use it against the

manager, even when it is internal the players can use it against the

manager. When it is so open, it can be used against the manager.

Tottenham's win over Sunderland on Sunday

lifted them up to third and, statistically, they have the best

defence in the Premier League so far this season.

Jermaine Jenas has had a look at how their defence begins with attack.

If you have a Fantasy Football Club the chances are that you will have a

Spurs player in your defence, they had the best Premier League

defensive record last year and they are carrying that form into this

year, conceding DOS in five. Sometimes that has called for some

brave last-ditch defending and it was Kyle Walker's goalline clearance

which epitomised that desire. Poor defending from Eric Dier. At this

point, Kyle Walker has a decision to make, close down Pienaar or cover

the goalkeeper and he makes the right decision. Look at his hunger

and desire to make sure the ball doesn't go over the line. It kept

his team in the game. For Spurs and Pochettino if they must engage in

last-ditch defending, the game plan has failed because it's all about

suffocating the opposition into regaining the possession higher up

the pitch. This is defending as a theme, Dele Alli, Son, Eriksen, how

many other teams are asking their forwards to defend with such

intensity? Winning the ball and they are on the attack. More often than

not, the pressure on the ball starts even higher up the pitch, Pochettino

demanding more from his attackers than just goals and assists. Last

season, Lamela committed more fouls than any other Spurs player.

Although this is pretty standard stuff, Spurs don't stop doing this

over 90 minutes. This is a free kick for Sunderland, Harry Kane could

stand on Kone and force him to go along but he set the trap, he wanted

the ball to be played short so he could win the ball, Sunderland

realise they are in trouble, Dele Alli pressing and they have to go

along. Who's going to win the header? Eric Dier. Who is going to

pick up the scraps in midfield? Time and time again on Sunday it was

Spurs. Asking attackers Dimeck tackles isn't without risk, Harry

Kane picked up a nasty injury at the weekend -- to make tackles. Can

Jansen Phil Kane's boots? Get yourself back in and do some good

work for the team and that is what he does, yes, he committed a foul

but he stopped the attack from Crystal Palace. Tottenham haven't

been scoring freely but if you aren't scoring goals you must make

sure you are not conceding and Spurs have mastered that. It doesn't

always have to be pretty but it is pretty effective.

Kevin, we saw Spurs inflict another defeat on your old side,

It feels like Groundhog Day. David Moyes is showing signs of looking

frustrated. I think he has a bit of frustration, you can see that. I

think the one thing, having known David since I was 16, so I knew him

as a player, coach, and I've worked with him in management, if you give

him everything on the training ground, if you are a professional he

will do everything in his power for the players. That's one thing he

will tell players. If you do right by me I will do right by you. His

door is open, he listens to the players and within that he doesn't

necessarily have the weakness where he is bowing down to the demands of

players but he always takes on board what they need. I felt I had my best

spell under him. His coaching was very good. On the training ground,

they could not complain about what they brought to him. A number of

issues, recruitment, that seems to be outside, looking in, one issue

where he wanted to bring in some signings over the summer. What is

the culture at Sunderland at the moment that is prevailing that seems

to need turning around? It is the culture of the club. Over the last

few years, a conveyor belt of managers, you get to February,

March, the manager saved the club, they have high optimism but then the

season starts in the same season and they will go. I would like David

Moyes to break the cycle. I thought with Sam Allardyce that the cycle

could be broken. I am hopeful that David Moyes, get to January, in a

decent enough position, strengthen the squad and then we are hopeful

over the next few years. Following more refereeing

controversy at the weekend, we wondered what sort of person

would take on the toughest So, we asked Romesh Ranganathan

to look inside the mind Are used to be a maths teacher which

is why I understand what it is like to be a figure of hate who regularly

receives abuse. I understand the differences for the referees,

teaching is about future generations whereas refereeing is actually

important but today's lesson is about why anybody would want to be a

rest. Earlier this season in the Stoke Manchester City game, Mike

Dean awarded two penalties for shirt pulling, enforcing a new directive

from the FA and every other Premier League referee went, well done, we

will all have to do it now, thanks a lot, mate (!) I imagine he got it in

the neck and the referees' Jenks, which sounds like the worst night

ever. -- drinks. I mean, who wants to be a referee? Who watches a game

of football and wishes that they were be one blowing the whistle?

"Imagine If they were abusing me, fantastic". Referees are like

politicians, the ones who are least suitable are the ones who want to do

it. Referees are supposed to be unnoticed, managing without incident

but increasingly they are in the Leeds enjoying the attention. The

main part forbidding a referee is the same part of being a teacher, it

is the power, it is intoxicating. Saying, I'm not sort that is ten

yards, I think I need the spray, the same as saying, it is your own time

you are wasting! A lot of people talk about the abuse that they get,

but my point isn't about the abuse but how unimaginative it is, instead

of saying that a referee is a... Why not target the character flaws that

made him a referee in the first place? Never in all my years of

being a fan had I seen somebody say, you must appreciate that from his

perspective it look like a penalty. What I have heard people say is that

referee, you are a EXPLETIVE For a referee, it is always lose

lose, even if you admit to a mistake, it is too late. It is like

having a third child. A referee who likes the limelight, Mark

Clattenburg, the players's mate, he's like the drama teacher who

asked everyone to call him by his first name, he has tattoos of the

big games he has officiated. If that isn't somebody who believes his own

hype, I don't know who is, and middle-aged men look ridiculous with

tattoos. That is Richard Pryor, my son thinks it is me. We know that we

need you, but don't look like you are enjoying it. Safety say that he

isn't the biggest fan of referees. Did you ever socialise with

referees? Did you ever see a different side to then? I never

socialised with them, but once, Graham poll, during a game on

Wearside he said that he loves coming to Sunderland because

whenever the referee is at the ground, he is the second most hated

man, after me at Sunderland. That was after the one bad game I had! He

has a good comical side to him. That's good to hear.

Just enough time left to have a look at this weekend's fixtures.

Manchester United kick things off on Saturday lunchtime with the visit

And we'll be taking a closer look at Arsenal next week

as Arsene Wenger celebrates 20 years as the Gunners manager.

Join us at the same time, next Thursday on BBC2.

Thanks to Kevin and thank you for watching.