Jenas meets Pochettino The Premier League Show

Welcome to the collection of I am delighted to welcome Wales manager

Chris Coleman as the Premier league returns after the international

break. We will analyse what has gone wrong at West Ham and vamp Ellis

James seeks a cure for his hangover from the Euros. Tottenham creep up

to second place with an impressive start to the Premier league season

and go into the weekend is the only unbeaten side in the top division.

Since joining from Southampton in 2014, migratory has transformed them

into genuine title contenders. We said Jermaine Jenas back to his

former club for Iraq interview with the man in charge.

-- for a rare interview. As the builders get started

transforming White Hart Lane, work is far more advanced on rebuilding

the team on the pitch. When I played here, there were a couple of fourth

place finishes, this is the best start to the season since Phil

Nicholas's title, and is now a genuine belief that occur too can go

on to win the Premier League. He makes the running to the centre

of the penalty area, it is in the goal of Alexander Kolarov! It might

fall kindly into Song. Dele Alli, 2-0! 16 players away on

international duty means it is quiet around here apart from builders so I

am going to meet the architect of the mood.

I am very well, how are you? Everything is good. Good to see you.

Everything good? Very well. It is getting a little bit cold! You have

got a nice tan! Have you been on holiday? No, it was here. You have

got a nice little tan! No holiday. It is too much work! Beautiful here,

I was at the old place and it used to be sometimes hot and sometimes

cold and you come here and this is beautiful. Lucky, the changing room,

the food, the restaurant. You! No! Shall we go into this lovely

Pavilion and have a chat? There remains only one unbeaten team

in the Premier League tonight and that the team is Tottenham Hotspur.

I want to talk to you a bit about the Manchester City game. I think

the fans, they saw that as the real breakthrough moment that kind of

said, Spurs now officially ready to challenge for the title. Is that the

way you see it as well? It is difficult for me. I think it is too

early. I think we are building a very nice project. A very nice team.

I think that we are in a moment that we need to believe and show that we

are capable of manage big things, big games. Also a great opportunity

to show that we are playing in the right way. Only we need time, we are

younger and we have the younger squad. But I think that if you play

with the passion that we play and you show the quality that we show

against Manchester City, all as possible. But I think it is too

early, but I can understand our fans feel proud and they start to see

that maybe it is possible this season to achieve big things. You

play high all the time, did that catch Manchester City out, how far

you are prepared to go? You even past the goalkeeper at times, how

impressed -- intends the players were! I think that we know each

other very well. Pep Guardiola knows me and I know him very well. I think

it is no surprise to him, but it is true that the intensity we showed

during 90 minutes was the key. Because sometimes you can play in

that level during maybe half an hour, 45 minutes. But the belief and

how our team was combined to play in that way, that was fantastic.

Diego Costa... Eden Hazzard! What a goal! Eden Hazzard! The title

has gone for Tottenham. Mauricio Pochettino's side beaten. The touch

the most year, what would you put that down to, or was it more of a

good experience or did it leave a bad taste? Well, I think that it was

an experience we must learn from. It was not a physical problem. It was

mental. I did not think it was physical either. Yes, of course. The

problem in football, it is the opinion that you need to respect all

opinions. But it wasn't physical. It was mental. When you lose the focus,

that is impossible to move your body. The most important thing is to

try to translate the message that we need always to enjoy, enjoy our

training session, how to play football. I think that we always

need to remember when we start to play football that we started to

play when we were a boy because we feel passion and emotion. And the

play football was an emotion. We cannot lose that. If you lose

emotion, if you lose the passion, it is your job. And then you play, but

no play in the way you need to play. And always, you can feel that in

your energy and in your body language when you don't have

passion, when you don't have energy, when you don't have emotion. You can

lose how we lost the last games last season. At what point during your

playing career did you think, I am going to be a coach? I think it was

at the 27. 27? Yes, 27, in Paris. The manager was Fernandez. In that

moment, I started to think in another way. Always before, I was

focused only on myself and to be ready to compete, the play, the

train, my family. But at that moment, I started to think, I like

that. Why did the manager take that decision? Why training in that

position? Why play that system? And in that moment, I started to realise

that I was very interested. Something else was taking over. I

started to grow that inside me. I spoke to a couple of players and

some of the coaches here when I was here and they say you have a strong

involvement still even with the young players not away on

international duty. We are talking 17, 18, 90. Is that something you

have always done? Always, I love that. I come from a club in

Argentina and always it has the philosophy to bring young players

through the academic system and play in the first team. And that is, that

is a thing that I love. Maybe I can see myself in every single young

player because always, in my period, always my manager or coach is always

believed in the younger players. You said when you are 27, you started to

think about coaching. Would you still play for Argentina at that

point? Yes. I remember a game against England! Sorry!

It's a penalty! Michael Owen brought down by Pochettino.

He has scored for England, back. It was a good tackle! Yes, and after

many years, it was good for me. The people in England remembers me for

the penalty! So it worked! Unbelievable, yes! This club is

known for its strong Argentinian links.

Aussie dealers. Villa. And still Ricky Villa, what a

fantastic run, he scores, amazing goal! Were you aware of that

identity that Spurs had even as a player, especially now in

management? Yes, always. I was in Argentina and I heard from Ricky and

Ozzy. And always Tottenham was very good in Argentina. And for me, it is

very special. We have a lot of... In every game that we play, Ardilles

comes into my manager room before the game and we spent five minutes

with a very nice chat and we have a great relationship. And then

everyone's a year, he is coming over with Ricky and we spend time

together. -- once a year. Really fantastic. Thank you for your time.

A pleasure. Can you tell Dele Alli that you said I was better than him?

Only joking! With me, better than him, of course!

I wish! Thank you. I know you have not met Mauricio Pochettino but you

have observed him as a manager, what you make of his managerial style?

Very impressive. You have got Ben Davies here who plays for Tottenham.

Players say they like managers when they went, it is the ones who do not

play every week, that is the acid test and then is very positive about

him. He trains them hard. Notoriously. He's very clever as

well. He has a squad of players of a good age and still developing and

learning. Very energetic, taking the information on board and prepared

work in the morning, after means. Sometimes when you get a bit older,

that does not sit so well with this culture. When you work abroad, it is

normal. In this culture, that doesn't happen a lot. Two sessions a

day. Maybe twice a week, that does not happen a lot. He is prepared to

do that and Tottenham have seen the benefits. Southampton did and so I

think he is a very bright manager. Every manager has their own

philosophy and style, what would you say your philosophy is in terms of

your managerial style? I think I just want to see my teams compete

and express themselves. Within a framework and within a game plan. I

don't really, especially with the team I have now, as long as they

have express themselves and tried to impose themselves, my biggest

problem is if they missed the 90 minutes. Because maybe

psychologically they were not back, physically, there is always in

reason. You can play really well and lose the game on a mistake in the

90th minute, the referee makes a mistake. If you look at it properly,

the performance and individually and collectively and they have given

what they have got, you cannot ask for much more. It is interesting

what he was saying, Pochettino, about playing with emotion and

passion. And enjoying the game. You forget that sometimes. The business

we working is very cynical and so much money is involved, and of

course, sometimes bad things happen or they get said and it becomes a

negative. Football is to be enjoyed and players should enjoy every

minute. You talk about the money and pressure and at the moment we have

this crop of super managers, arguably the best group of Premier

league managers there has ever been. But do you fancy pitting your wits

against the likes of Pep Guardiola and Mourinho and going back to club

management? Absolutely, I did it once in my first job against

Mourinho at Fulham and in my eyes Alex Ferguson was the best manager

there has ever been. There were one or two tasty managers but if you

look at the current crop, very, very good, very experienced in success

and around the world it has been outstanding. That is if you look at

the Premier league now, it is so interesting. But one day, I would

like it. It is not a do or die, I would like to go abroad again and

work, not to say I would not go back to the Premier league if I finish

with Wales or they finish with me! Yes, of course. You can expand your

philosophy and work abroad as well? Yes, I loved it and it improved me

as a manager and coach and I would look to do that certainly at some

point in the future. It is Klopp against Mourinho on

Monday night. After a strong debut season in the Premier League, Slaven

Bilic has struggled to get West Ham that started this white -- at this

time round. We asked Trevor Sinclair to look at what a difference a year

makes. With seven games into the Premier League season and at this

point in the last campaign West Ham were third in the table. After

impressive wins away against Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester

City. The year on and they are third from bottom, some fans and experts

are blamed their poor start to the season on the move to the London

Stadium. The pitch damage and have changed slightly from Upton Park and

that will take some time to adjust to but I am more worried about

defending this season. This sums up there defending all season. As a

winger, I pick out Antonia. His body position is all wrong, he doesn't

know where Davis is and he gambles. -- Antonio. And look at the

reactions from Kouyate, not good enough desire. A good first touch

but look at Arbeloa, he has not got a clue where Ward-Prowse is. It is a

good finish but it is too simple and easy for them to break through the

defence. A fourth Premier League defeat in a row for West Ham. This

is a big change from the beginning of last season when they were well

organised and got plenty of players behind the ball and were difficult

to beat. Even when teams like Man City got behind them last season,

they showed great reactions to defend the second phase. The ball is

coming in and this is what interests me, the distances between the back

four, superb. The amount of bodies they get in their own box is

excellent and you look at the reaction from James Tomkins when his

team-mate is done. He blocks it and get his body in there, followed in

by Adrian and that is superb teamwork and a bit of luck that you

deserve when you work so hard for each other. An interesting fact, at

this stage last season West Ham were fifth in distance covered. This time

round they are 13th. Are they as fit? Are they working as hard? I'm

not so sure. This was by far the worst day at the office at the

Hawthorns. They win possession but they failed to clear their lines.

Reactions are very quick by Chadli, do you take shows in the right way

but it is what is happening behind him with Cullen is not getting close

enough to Rondon -- Kouyate. The time to get a shot off the Paul

Collins can put any pressure on the ball and that is not good enough

defending. The second goal from Rondon was avoidable and this fourth

one from Chadli is inexcusable. It is a West Ham corner and as you can

see, they have ten men in and around the box. Not one player has the

awareness to stay out and be covering player. There is not enough

leadership and desire to get gold side and stop this. You would

struggle to see a non-league team conceding like that. It is clear

they are defending as well as last season and that has to change but

the players don't turn into bad players overnight so who do you look

at? The manager. Very entertaining over the summer covering the Euros,

should he have been concentrating on recruitment which has not been great

this season? The next three games are huge and if they don't put

points on the board, this dream move to the London Stadium will turn

into a nightmare. Trevor used some interesting stats to back up the

argument but perhaps some people might say that Slaven Bilic being at

the Euros was a form of scouting, watching some of the best in Europe

but West Ham have definitely not been the team of last season. What

is your take on where things have not gone right? There is an element

with the stadium and the Boleyn Ground, when I played at Upton Park,

it was a special atmosphere. Now it is different, for the supporters, in

different areas compared to where they used to sit at the old ground.

We can look at Slaven Bilic and say this, that and the other but he can

still scout at the tournament. I think teams sometimes get more and

more excuses on why it's not work it -- working and have the concentrate

on what made it work before. They are talented players and you have to

be honest with themselves. You can't just look at Slaven. He is the same

manager at last year, the same way as the team is the same with great

players but they have to get it together and don't make excuses and

get on with the job. How frustrating as a manager when you have done your

research on the opposition, meticulously planned what you want a

team to do and you are watching something completely different? It

is frustrating and sometimes it happens. Sometimes when the game is

not going well, you can lose discipline or shape or get a man

sent off or the opposition does something you were not prepared for.

This can all happen. Then the performance is out of the window and

as soon as you stop concentrating on performance, generally you don't get

the desired outcome. As much as you can concentrate on performance and

the game plan, that is when generally you get good things. But

it is frustrating as a manager or coach when they are clearly not

doing what they are capable of and what you have asked them to do. That

can be frustrating. And can Slaven Bilic turn this around before the

pressure really start to mount? Absolutely. If you look at him, he

has managed big clubs, his country, been at tournaments. I think West

Ham would be crazy to even think about going down that road. It shows

you how quickly that stock can rise and fall. That is the industry. He

will not be surprised, people start pointing fingers, last year he was

the best thing since sliced bread. They are in the bottom three now and

everybody is analysing everything and he is in the middle of that but

he is strong enough to come through that. He will be OK. For years,

Ellis James followed Wales through thin and thinner but this summer

that changed forever, we chink in the semifinals of the Euros was the

pinnacle for fans and players alike and coming down is not easy --

reaching the semifinals. Wales into the semifinals! Go and

with your kids up! It can't sort it with a fry up or

last night's curry, have of the dog is impossible for another four

years. Most bubble fans are suffering a huge Euros anger over.

-- football fans. Imagine watching other people at a party your whole

life and you are not invited. Eventually you kid yourself that is

going to the pub is not the important thing, the important thing

is getting ready for the party, qualifying, and when you have let it

go and you come to terms with the fact that you are never going to the

party in your lifetime, they let you in and you are beating Belgium in

the quarterfinal and in the semifinal. That is where the party

analogy runs out of steam a bit. If you didn't get it, I was talking

about Wales qualifying for a major tournament. It is not losing in the

semifinal, it is the whole experience I can't get over, it has

affected my sleep, I Nolan put kisses at the end of e-mails, I

can't be bothered. -- no longer. I wonder if the players who played

that night, if they have carried this flat feeling into the Premier

League this season. Aaron Ramsey. He got injured in the first game for

Arsenal and hasn't played since. Joe Allen, our heartbeat, the metronome

in midfield, he has gone to Stoke and they are quite good. How are

they doing? Hal Robson-Kanu, cult hero the man who scored the goal of

the tournament. He has gone to West Brom but only played about quarter

of an hour but West Brom seem to like him. I wanted to get to the

bottom of how effective the men who got to play. Hello? I really need to

speak to Joe Ledley. And I definitely didn't introduce myself

by saying he played an integral role in the greatest night of my life.

All right? Thank you, that meant quite a lot! Don't worry, turn the

camera off! It's OK. Do you find your mind drifts back to the

semifinal and the tournament in general? Sometimes. It was probably

the best moment of my life. I remember speaking to a few of the

boys and we were saying, this might be our only time we make the Euros

so let's just enjoy it on and off the pitch. That's a very Welsh

attitude. This is it, we're never going to be happy again! The first I

have been on holiday and didn't have to explain where Wales was, we are

just that team! The Belgian game, the quarterfinal, 3-1. Is that

something you will be mentioning? No, to be fair, me and Wayne and

Johnny haven't mentioned it to Christian. Not at all? Are you

scared of him? He is a big lad but I'm not scared of him. I think I

would imagine it constantly! All the time. You are ruthless! Thanks for

helping me to get over it. You had a good time? You want to hold? That's

nice. It's really nice. All the boys are watching and they will be asking

questions! Not sure you have ever seen Joe Ledley walking off a

training pitch holding hands. But I have! Wayne Hennessey is his closest

friend and they are very tight. When Wayne sees that he will not be very

happy! It was such an incredible summer. Ellis is clearly having a

hard time getting over it but how long has it taken you to stop having

those moments where you are thinking, if only, what if? I still

have those moments. We all do because we got so far. I think we

exceeded all expectations. We had such a following for the whole of

Wales and the further we went, the feeling just escalated. It was

incredibly positive. Positive moments to be apart of. You will

know each other forever. We will and even now, the families all come to

the campaign games in Cardiff and before the game they meet up and all

eat together and they travel to the game together like they did in

France. You can't manufacture that, that's real. I think we were lucky

we had a good bunch of people. And they are in it together Ulster and

having that experience of the tournament, where nobody knew what

had happened but we came through it, it makes you stronger and better.

You said nobody knew what would happen and that is what has changed.

People feel they do know you now and the opposition know you better and

the expectation is higher, the bar is set higher. Against Georgia I

sure shot in the ground where people were looking disappointed that was

just 1-1 -- I saw shots in the crowd. When I played against

Georgia, we lost 5-1 away and won at home and 2-0. But people look at the

rankings and in the tournament and the expect and we have to deliver.

But we must not get away from what kind of team we are. We cannot just

rock up and win easily. When we have everything going for us, we are a

tough 90 minutes for everybody. But the point against Georgia could have

been a good one at the end of the day because they had chances to win

it. Maybe it will be a good point. And it is a complement to what the

fans expect, and where they see you going which is qualifying for the

World Cup. Let's talk about this formation of the photographs. What

is going on? You can't seem to work out how to stand or sit? The first

time it came to my attention was in the last camp, I asked Neil Taylor

and he didn't really give anything up, just said they had been doing it

for some time. I still don't know the reason! I can see it on the

Internet now. I don't know, if I'm honest. I will try to get to the

bottom. I'm quite pleased that there is no Uefa regulated photograph

formation and you can do what you want! Clearly because we are doing

what we want! Is not the prettiest but they are doing what they want.

Begu so much and best of luck with the rest of the campaign with rails

-- thank you so much. Next week we are taking a trip down to London's

Kings Road to talk Chelsea with Graeme Le Saux. And if you ever miss

a show, you can catch up on the iPlayer and you can follow all of

the Premier League action on the BBC this weekend but look out for Match

of the Day to move into Monday night to include Manchester united against

Liverpool. Not a Derby but they do have history. Thank you for

watching, good night. -- Manchester United.

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