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warm with nine to 15 Celsius. Hello, I'm Nik Gowing, with BBC

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World News. Our top stories: Death in the desert - survivor tells us of

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the migrant convoy which broke down in the Sahara desert, leaving more

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than 90 dead. After a day, my second sister died. On the third day, my

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mother died. I buried all of them myself.

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Doubts over the Syria peace conference - the international envoy

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tells the BBC it is not certain that it will take place let this month.

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We are making progress. Whether that will be enough for the conference to

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take place soon is not certain. The fugitive intelligence contract

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Edward Snowden offers to travel from Russia to Berlin to help investigate

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allegations that the US armed Angela Merkel's mobile phone.

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And obesity becomes a worldwide epidemic. The authorities are

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increasingly looking at taxing sugary drinks.

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Three days of national mourning have been declared in Niger after the

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bodies of more than 90 migrants were found in the Sahara earlier this

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week. The group, mainly women and children, died of thirst when the

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convoy they were travelling in broke down in the desert. But against the

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odds, some migrants survived. Our reporter in Dakar in Senegal has

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been hearing their stories. The local authorities and rescue

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workers are still trying to pin down exactly what happened in the past

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few weeks for these migrants, who went across the Sahara desert to

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reach Nigeria. We have the account of one of the survivors. She is 18

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age, a 14-year-old -- Shias a teenager. TRANSLATION: We waited in

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the desert. No food, no water, before we decided to start walking.

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Some vehicles passed us. We tried to stop them, but no one would stop. We

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sat under a tree, and that was when one of my sisters died. We buried

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her there. Then we continued walking, and after a day, my second

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sister died. On the third day, my mother died. I buried all of them

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myself. I am living with my aunt. I heard that only myself and a little

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girl and 18 men survived the journey out of more than 100 of us. So

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horrific account from a 14-year-old who survived this ordeal in the

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Sahara desert. They could not find any water. We were told she has now

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been sent back home to her village in the south of Niger.

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What about what this reveals about the scale of this migrant path

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across various parts of the desert, the number of people taking the risk

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who do get through, or others who don't? We are told by those who took

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part in the rescue operation that they had never seen anything on this

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scale, especially the fact that more than half of the 92 people who were

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found dead were children. They said they do find dead bodies here and

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there sometimes, but they had never found that many. So clearly, this is

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a real tragedy. Hundreds of thousands go across the Sahara

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desert each year through northern Niger, either into Libya or Algeria,

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hoping to reach the North Africa and Coast and perhaps get on a boat

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across the Mediterranean Sea and then reach the gateway to Europe,

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hoping for a better life. Now to Syria. The UN and Arab

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League's special envoy to Syria has told the BBC that progress is being

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made towards a peace conference. But Lakhdar Brahimi says he's not

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certain whether the talks as Geneva two will take place as planned in

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just over three weeks. Lakhdar Brahimi has been on his first visit

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to Damascus in nearly a year. He met President Assad. The BBC's

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correspondent is also in Damascus. She asked him how successful his

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visit had been. We are making progress. Whether that will be

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enough for the conference to take place soon is not certain. But we

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are having meetings in Geneva to prepare. Meanwhile, a US official

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has confirmed to the BBC that Israel used its warplanes to attack a

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military base in the Syrian city of Latakia. The area is a stronghold of

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President Assad's Alawites community. It is believed the target

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was a consignment of Russian-made surface-to-air missiles being

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shipped to the militant Lebanese Shi'ite movement Hezbollah. So what

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is the view from Lebanon and Israel? Jim Muir in Beirut, what is known

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about events in Latakia? The Syrians are saying nothing. The Israelis, as

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always, are completely mute on their actions outside their borders. So

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nothing official. All we have is the word from American officials and

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some information circulating on Arabic satellite stations and some

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activist groups, indicating that there was some kind of strike near

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Latakia at a Syrian air base. The assumption is that anti-aircraft

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missiles, possibly on the way to Hezbollah, which was the target. It

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may have been an Israeli strike into Syria. Not on the same scale as the

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most spectacular one inmate, when the whole sky around Damascus was

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lit up by a massive explosion which shook the capital, which the Syrian

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regime had to acknowledge and threaten reprisal for, should it

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happen again. This time, it is not on that scale. It has gone

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completely unannounced by either side, which means the repercussions

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may be less unless there is something we don't know. Kevin

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Connelly injuries shall, anything from the Israeli government?

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Nothing. It is of course Israel's long-standing policy not to give any

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running commentary on specific operations. We do know that in

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general, Israel is comfortable with the idea that its capabilities to

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carry out these operations are clear to its enemies . and Israel also has

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what it calls a red line. It has said repeatedly that it will not

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allow the Assad regime in Damascus to transfer dangerous weaponry to

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Hezbollah, the Shia militia in southern Lebanon, which is the Assad

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regime's Allied and has the capacity to target cities in Israel. The

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speculation here is that the operation was designed with that

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goal in mind. But as Jim was saying, this all takes place in what I have

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heard described as a zone of deniability. It has become a strange

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sub bot of the Syrian war that Israel carries out these attacks

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without saying it has done so. And generally, Syria absorbed the

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attacks without saying that Israel has done so either so that it does

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not feel so obligated to respond, because Syria of course does not

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have the capacity while fighting a civil war to engage in any kind of

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confrontation with Israel. Jim, let me pick up on what we heard from

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Lakhdar Brahimi saying in Damascus. Mr Brahimi has been in Damascus for

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the last couple of days. He saw President Assad. What is your

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reading of his language to Lyse Doucet? He has confirmed a trend we

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have picked up on, which is that the Geneva talks, which were possibly

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set the 23rd of month, look likely to slide. It is not in Damascus that

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he will get a breakthrough on that front. The real problem is with the

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Syrian opposition, as he indicated. Even if they could assemble a

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delegation, how credible would it be and could it deliver in a situation

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where the bulk of the fighting forces on the ground say that

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anybody who goes to Geneva is a traitor, and they don't want to

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negotiate with the regime? It is a very tricky situation, and how you

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assemble a credible opposition delegation at this stage is very

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hard to see, especially when you have all these fundamentalist groups

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who do not believe in democracy, don't want to negotiate at all,

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apart from the mainstream ones, which also have reservations about

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Geneva. Now to Thailand, which has taken the

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first steps towards a political amnesty. It could pave the way for

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the former prime minister Paxson should know what to return from

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exile. He was deposed in a military coup seven years ago and charged

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with abuse of power. Critics fear that the amnesty will let him return

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to Thailand without serving a two-year jail sentence. Our reporter

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is in Bangkok. I asked him, what is the origin of this amnesty? They

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have been talking about this ever since the terrible events here in

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2010, when we saw more than 90 people killed in clashes between

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government troops and pro-president demonstrators. Ever since he was

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ousted by a coup in 2006, the idea of an amnesty is that a lot of

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ordinary street protest have spent time in jail and it would be helpful

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in the process of reconciliation. It started off as a modest ill that

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would only have affect did ordinary people, but was suddenly expanded

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two weeks ago to include anybody who was investigated by bodies set up

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after that coup in 2006. That would include the former president, the

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figure at the very heart of Thailand's divide. It would

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potentially invalidate the conviction against him in 2008 and

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would allow him to come back from five years in exile. But it is a

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whole different ball game, and has sparked off furious opposition from

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the main Democrat party, who are determined that he should not come

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back, and other groups as well. Many say a blanket amnesty simply

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whitewashes all the things that are happening, including some of Thaksin

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Shinawatra's supporters, who were killed. It is a controversial

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proposal. It has gone through Parliament. The next age is the

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Senate. They will start considering it extra week. It is possible that

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this bill could go through in the next few weeks.

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Now to Germany, where a member of the Bundestag, the German

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parliament, says the fugitive intelligence contract Edward Snowden

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is willing to help investigations into claims that Angela Merkel's

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mobile phone was monitored by US intelligence. The Green Party MP is

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at this moment giving a briefing in Berlin. He is speaking after

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travelling to Russia to meet Mr Snowden. He says the former NSA

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contract is even willing to travel to Germany, at his lawyer has told

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the BBC Mr Snowden would not be able to leave Russia because it would be

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a breach of his temporary political asylum status. Let's go to the

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BBC's Steve Evans. What is the Green MP saying? Some interesting things.

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He says Mr Snowden told him he would come to Germany, knowing that he

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could not go back to Russia, if he was sure that it was not then going

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to be extradited to the US. He also said Mr Snowden told him he would

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like to talk to the US Congress, clearly, that was not possible. So

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we are seeing an attempt by Mr Snowden to look at life beyond

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Russia, should his visa not be extended in June, and also to start

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becoming more public in his stance and start saying to people, that is

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what I did and I am prepared to talk about it. Do we know where he met Mr

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Snowden in Russia? We don't know. Mr Stroebele has described a long and

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tortuous journey. I don't mean days. He said he had had his bags

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packed for some months, waiting for permission to go. Then it suddenly

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came, and he stayed in a hotel in Moscow and then was taken in a car

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for some distance. It is not clear from listening to the German MP

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whether that meant a trip out of Moscow. It must be in the environs

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of Moscow, because we are talking about a few hours in a car. But

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whether it is the centre of Moscow is not clear. Finally, I have just

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received sight of the English letter from Mr Snowden, dated yesterday, in

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which he makes an appeal and says his position is clear about what he

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has done and what he would like to do next. That is right. He seems to

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be saying that the allegations that he has spilled treasonous secrets

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are not valid. He stands by his position as what you might call a

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noble whistle-blower, in that traditional reaching trust because

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of a greater good. Had been still to come: We preview the battle of the

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African giants of club football at Orlando Pirates prepare to take on

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the Egyptian side. What is the point of going to church

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if you don't believe in God? There is a new nonreligious church in

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Britain that thinks there is one. Aiming to attract former believers

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and no, sir tal Joint Intelligence Committee believers.

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-- nostalgic believers. They are meeting in a church and

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they have a choir. They also have moments of quiet

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contemplation. They even have a collection.

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The one thing they don't have, however is any reference to God or

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religion. Sanderson Jones is the cofounder of

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the Sunday Assembly Movement, so no surprise, the gatherings are

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peppered with humour, he is a comedian.

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Just because you are doing something serious, does not mean you can't

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have fun. We are changing the world. That is a big claim, changing the

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world, how? We started off with zero assemblyis in January, there are 35,

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there may be 40 by the end of the year. Imagine what could happen if

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30% of the people in Britain who are nonreligious and don't have a

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church, what happens if they get inspired to not only help each other

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but to help in the community? Do you class yourself as an atheist, a

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humanist or some other label? I don't think labels are helpful. We

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celebrate one thing we have in common, that is that we are alive.

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So, he is clear about why he is here but what about his first

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congregation. I think it would be nice to harness

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the goodness in people, without using religion to do it. I am hoping

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to find out what this is about and feel a bit of love.

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Now you may be asking, a congregation who do not believe in

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God, a service without religious content, so why choose a church for

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their inaugural meeting? Well, apparently this was the only space

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available tonight. However, they say, it is not the building that

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matters, more what goes on inside of it.

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You are with BBC World News with me, Nik Going. The death in the desert.

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A teenage girl tells of the convoy that broke down in the Sahara

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desert, leaving more than 90 dead. There are doubts that a Syrian peace

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summit will take part later this month.

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Now to the ba thele of the African football giants, Orlando Pirates has

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once again reached the African Champions League final. Facing the

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legendary seven-time winners, the Egyptian side. Well Orlando Pirates

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have been visited by Milton Nkosi. He found there is only one story in

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town. Orlando Pirates, the players, they

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are put through their paces ahead of what is likely to be the biggest

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game of the careers for them. It is the African Champions League final.

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Their coach, a former goalkeeper for the national team. Told the BBC that

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the game is not just about the Orlando Pirates.

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It is nice for us to meet the Egyptians and others, it is the

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opportunity it has given us from the first go. We say to the players to

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measure ourselves, to see where we are against the so-called giants of

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African football. We can match them step for step. It is great that the

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players are starting to believe that there is a confidence in the squad.

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The Buccaneers have once won the title in 1995. For that, they end

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this championship star on the badge. Now they are chasing the second one.

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Seven-time African champions, who will it be? Africa's renowned sports

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caster, says that the stakes could not be higher.

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The Egyptians are coming here limping, with blue eyes, how do you

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take advantage of a person that is coming through as injured as they

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are? They want to prove a point. They have a reputation. They have

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the stars lined up to say that they have done this seven times.

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So, as you can see, the Buccaneers' training session is in full swing.

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They are going for gold, but what do South Africans on the streets think

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about the importance of this game? This particular game, it is not

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representing just the Pirates but South Africa as a hole. The

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Egyptians are strong but we know that the Pirates can win. If they

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lose, I don't know. The people have nailed their colours

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to the mast for the sea robbers but remember, the second leg of this

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final, will be played in Egypt, where the Red Defendant yells will

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be just as confidence. -- confident.

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Now more people in the world are looking like this, as the waist

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lines continue to expand. The world's population is getting larger

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and larger because of what people eat and drink. One option is to tax

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these, the fizzy drinks, those packed full of sugar or sweeteners.

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Here in Britain, let me give you the data, around one in four of the

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population is obese. The British Medical Journal says that a 20% tax

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would reduce sales of fizzy drinks by 15%. Cutting the number of obese

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and overweight adults by about 285,000.

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Mexico, has already approved a tax of 8 cents per litre on fizzy

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drinks. In New York, the Mayor, Michael bloomburg opposed a tax but

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the Supreme Court declared it illegal as it did not apply to all

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food establishments in the city. We asked some of you on Facebook in a

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tax like this could work in in your country? It has been said that it

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has been done in Portugal and seems to work.

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Well, let's hear what the doctors say. Dr Mike Rayner is the director

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of British Heart Foundation Health Promotion Research Group. He joins

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me from Oxford. Dr Mike Rayner, are you telling me that spending

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patterns, raising money and raising taxes will stop people drinking

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fizzy drinks or limit the consumption or not? Yes, basically,

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we are saying that, yes. Do you have evidence of that? There

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is lots of evidence. Evidence done in canteens, with vending machines,

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showing if you raise the price of food in those settings then people

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cut down on the food that you raise the prices on. There are studies

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from experiments done in Ireland, around the world, showing if you

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raise the price of foods through taxation, you can affect

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consumption, the greatest example is the Danish fat tax. And a study, one

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of which we have published today, bringing together a range of

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evidence from a range of sources to come to conclusions about what would

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happen if you raise the price of things like fizzy drinks.

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So, what you are saying, Dr Mike Rayner, that for medical conditions,

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pricing is critical, whether it is for fizzy drinks or three for two,

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in other words, pricing affects what people buy? Of course, yes. Ask

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anyone in the street that question, if they are affected by the price of

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booze, they will say yes. What about the implications of

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285,000 that could be saved from becoming obese. Is there that level

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of cause and effect between pricing and increasing obesity? Yes, when

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people have looked at the modelling studies and examined what happened

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in real life, this have come to the conclusion that the studies do were

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dekt what happens in real life. So the studies done around the Danish

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saturated fat tax predicted we could get about a 4% drop in saturated fat

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in Denmark and indeed they have that drop in saturated fat in Denmark.

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Finally, Dr Mike Rayner, how serious is this now? Is it really an

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epidemic? One in four in Britain, we are seeing it everywhere in the

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world? Yes, in Mexico it is really bad. In lots of developing countries

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obesity is rocketing. We have to do something about this. In the study

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we have published today, we are saying that this is one of the

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things you can do to prevent obesity. It is not the panacea. It

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will be one of all of the things we must do to combat the epidemic.

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Dr Mike Rayner from the British Heart Foundation Health Promotion

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Research Group, thank you very much for joining me on BBC World News

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from Oxford. Thank you.

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Finally, let me show you pictures from the US where ten children and a

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school bus driver were pulled to safety. That is after their school

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bus toppled into the water and landed half submerged on its side.

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The accident happened outside of a small town in Kansas. The children

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aged 13 and younger, clambered through a roof hatch to await for

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rescue it is unclear how the accident happened.

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And the main news: Three days of national mourning have been declared

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in West Africa, after the bodies of more than 9 o -- 90 migrants were

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found this week in the Sahara. The group died of thirs when the convoy

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that they were travelling in broke down in the desert. -- tlirs. Niger

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is a major migrant route between sub-Sahara and Africa and Europe.

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Also Lakhdar Brahimi has been in Damascus, he says that he doesn't

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see much chance of a national conference on Syria later this

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month. Thank you very much goodbye.

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