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test both. I had shorts on without a shirt. Where Hello. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
This is BBC World News. Our top stories. | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
Oscar Pistorius is being cross-examined by the prosecution, | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
at the trial for the murder of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. The | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
prosecution has been questioning him over his character. | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
Brisk voting is reported in some states in the third day of polling | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
in India. More than 100 million people can vote today in 14 states. | :00:34. | :00:47. | |
The search for MH370 is improving significantly. There have been for | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
acoustic signals heard earlier this week. | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
Researchers in Britain say governments are wasting money | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
stockpiling medicines against flu. We can now go back to Pretoria, | :01:02. | :01:20. | |
where Oscar Pistorius is being questioned by the chief prosecutor. | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
We saw him a moment ago, Jerry now. I do not remember even now where the | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
place was where I met him. -- Gerrie Nel. | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
So you are criticising her for not knowing, but you do not know. | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
The question was put if Samantha Taylor knew him. I do not know if he | :01:44. | :01:54. | |
-- we have been to his house. There was an occasion where you met | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
him at the residential place? That is correct. | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
But you cannot tell the court where it is, you have no idea. | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
I do not know the area, I would have put it in my sat nav and driven | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
there. If Sam was there, we cannot | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
criticise her for not remembering, because she wasn't driving. Some of | :02:17. | :02:28. | |
the Taylor. -- Samantha Taylor. Can we criticise her for not knowing? | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
I do not believe if she was with me. You have to look at the context and | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
if she comes up here and says she went to a place in the Vaal River. | :02:41. | :02:51. | |
Whether she knew where it was or did not know is of no relevance if she | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
wasn't there. The question is, let us say she was | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
that that place was with you, you cannot criticise her for not knowing | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
where it was, that is all I am asking you. | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
If that is the case, no, I couldn't. How would she know, that you met him | :03:10. | :03:19. | |
at a residential place to talk about guns? I have no idea. She said, you | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
met somebody to sign gun papers. That is what she thought. | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
I know Samantha Taylor was with me on another occasion when I signed | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
papers pertaining to a fire arm. I know she was with me there. I | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
discussed things, we were in a relationship, I told her where I was | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
on many occasions. I do not know if... My lady. | :03:50. | :03:58. | |
You do, because you are giving me the opportunity to ask. Are you | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
saying that she is making it up? Yes, my lady. She is lying? She lied | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
in her statement and when she was up here, my lady. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
About being with you at somebody's house that day? | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
Or I am saying is I cannot remember anybody being with me. I remember | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
meeting to sign papers in a residential area. I can't recall in | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
which residential area it was, I think it was in October. This was | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
two years, a year and a half ago. You see, that is significant. If | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
there is an indication you were there on the 30th, you cannot deny | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
that, the 30th of September, you cannot deny it because you can | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
remember. That is correct. If shares -- if she says she went | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
with you on that day to sign gun papers, she is just making that up? | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
I do not know, but I do not remember Samantha Taylor accompanying me. If | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
that is what she says, then I cannot say she is lying. What I can say is | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
I do not remember anyone accompanying me. | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
She is not the only one making it up, it must also be Mr Fresco making | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
it up. I did not say she made it up, I said | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
I do not remember that. So, the two of them, Mr Fresco and | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
Samantha Taylor can remember at least going to a residential place | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
with you to sign gun papers. I lady, if you look at the evidence | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
of Samantha Taylor and Mr Fresco, that is what they both say. But they | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
don't agree upon the charge, upon how it happened, where or why it | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
happened. So if they say they were there with me on a day when this | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
happens, I cannot definitely say they want with me. I can't say that | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
I was there in September. If there is evidence that shows that, then I | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
can say that if that is what that was, then I was there. But I cannot | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
remember, it is not an event I remember, I don't remember signing | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
the papers, or the house. That is all I can remember. | :06:21. | :06:29. | |
But, you see, I would like to use this in an argument. You are arguing | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
the case as if, as a council. Have you seen their statements? I have | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
seen Samantha Taylor's statement, and Mr Fresco's statement. And you | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
have heard them testify. They both said they went with you on that day | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
to a residential place where you signed gun papers. That is correct. | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
You can't remember. If two of them can, they must be correct. I do not | :07:00. | :07:07. | |
remember, my lady. If that is what they said, but I cannot remember. | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
Let us argue, if three people, two of them know they were there and one | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
does not double picked the two. I do not want to argue. I am so glad to | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
remember that answer. But I am putting to it Gracnar putting it to | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
you, you are not willing to concede anything. -- I am putting it to you. | :07:33. | :07:48. | |
Is that a question? Yes. No, my lady. I have conceded on several | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
occasions. I cannot agree with the statement that is put to me if I do | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
not have ever collection of that event. | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
Both of them indicated that you fired through the sunroof. That is | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
definitely a knife. That is a lie. Both of them independently would | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
tell that like? They both took the stand, they both are different | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
stories as to why it happened, where it happened, how it happened, as to | :08:14. | :08:23. | |
the reaction. That story was fabricated, it has never happened. | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
It is not the truth. It is a bad fabrication, because they never | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
spoke to each other. They have different reasons why it happened, | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
where it happened. It was a terrible fabrication between the two of them. | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
They have been in contact. Although they said they have not spoken to | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
each other, they have been in contact with each other, they have | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
been seen at the same events. So, I do not know what the connection | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
would be between some of the Taylor and Mr Fresco. For all I know, they | :08:55. | :09:02. | |
have kept communication open. Now, again, we have two say, when | :09:03. | :09:10. | |
they say they haven't had communication, Barry Roux, he never | :09:11. | :09:21. | |
challenge them on that. My lady, I do not remember if Mr Roux challenge | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
them on it. He did not, take it from me. He will chop off if -- jump up | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
if I say something wrong. What I have heard is they have had | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
communication with each other. You are the person who volunteered the | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
fact that they said they didn't have communication, but they have. Let me | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
rephrase. You are the one who said, in evidence, they said they did not | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
have communication. That is correct. But you know that they did. I beg | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
your pardon? But you know they had communication. I am not saying that, | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
I said I heard. You have heard from people? That is | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
correct. It was put to them that Mr Pistorius | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
had heard you had communication, that wasn't important? Who told you? | :10:24. | :10:33. | |
I do not recall, my lady. No. I apologise for the offing, I won't do | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
it again, but I was surprised by the answer. I hope it doesn't happen | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
again. I also want to say something to | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
people out there. You possibly think this is entertainment. It is not. | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
So, please restrain yourselves. Is that the gallery? The gallery, yes. | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
Thank you. So, you tell me that somebody giving | :11:04. | :11:12. | |
evidence, since then, they gave you that information but you cannot top | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
court who it was? I do not recall. I speak to many people in the | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
afternoon. I beg your pardon. Because it is not true, that is the | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
only reason you cannot remember. Because it is not true. You would | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
remember who gave you that information. | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
My lady, was that a question? Yes, because it was untrue. That is | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
incorrect. If somebody would say, I had my gun | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
in that car between my legs, that person would be lying. If somebody | :11:53. | :11:59. | |
would say, Mr Pistorius had his gun in the car between his legs, that | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
person would be lying. That is correct, Mr Fresco did testify to | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
that and it was not the truth. And nobody challenged him. | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
I can't remember if anyone challenged it or not. I did not | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
discuss, when I discussed this charge with my counsel, I did not | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
discuss things that didn't happen, so I could not have said to them I | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
can foresee what Mr Fresco will say on the stand. And tell them that he | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
might say I had my gun between my legs, when that didn't happen. If | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
they didn't challenge it, my faith is in them, my lady. I cannot say | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
why they did or did not challenge it. Now, whilst we are busy with | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
this, I see we have 15 minutes before lunch and I want to deal with | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
something. At least, I don't want to get you | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
confused so I'm going to recede. The early morning of the 4th of | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
February, in the bathroom, you were firing shots. How many shots did you | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
fire? I fired four shots, my lady. In what sequence, was it to double | :13:17. | :13:25. | |
taps? No, in quick succession, my lady. | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
You know that for a fact? That is correct, my lady. Because you can | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
remember it. That is correct. It is not a reconstruction? No, my lady. | :13:39. | :13:46. | |
And it was definitely not two double taps? That is correct, my lady. Why | :13:47. | :13:58. | |
would Mr Roux think and put to the officer that you fired double taps? | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
I am not quite sure. That is what he put, and in the first break I | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
corrected him and I said to him it wasn't a double tap. But, before we | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
go to you correcting him, why would he say that? I am not sure, my lady. | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
It is impossible... Mr Roux will not say something, forget the | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
correction, Mr Roux will not put something to witness that is not | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
your version. Why would he say two double taps? The only destination I | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
could think of is, when we spoke about training in firearm training, | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
you learn to fired two shots which is in a double tap, it is called a | :14:45. | :14:52. | |
double tap. And I think maybe Mr Roux, I cannot say why he did, but I | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
corrected him. You said it is your version that you | :14:56. | :15:07. | |
fired two double taps. It wasn't that, is it possible, he put it as a | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
version. I understand that, my lady. Mr Nel, he has answered. All he mows | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
is he corrected Mr Roux. May I ask a follow up question. The | :15:21. | :15:28. | |
only reason is if you told him That is incorrect. My lady. I didn't say | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
that. I didn't tell Mr Roux I fired a double tap at any point. But you | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
know that it was in quick succession. Yes. How do you know | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
that? Because that is what I remember. How do you know? I don't | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
really understand how, how I am meant to explain how I am supposed | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
to remember something. Stewed stew at that point, we have | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
-- STUDIO: At that point we have lost | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
the sound from Oscar Pistorius's trial in Pretoria, and you can see | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
there, how the chief prosecutor keeps pressing Oscar Pistorius about | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
the credibility of all that he has been saying, including how he uses | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
his gun, where he keeps his gun, where he keeps ammunition, as well. | :16:24. | :16:31. | |
And the kind of way in which he handles the weaponry that he has, | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
which was essentially a pistol. That pressure is on from Mr Nel, and you | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
can see there that it is relentless pressure. Trying to test Oscar | :16:44. | :16:52. | |
Pistorius on what he said, and Oscar Pistorius remaining very measured in | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
all his replies, and even challenging the chief prosecutor. | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
Back to the coverage. At page 1475. Before I knew it I had | :17:02. | :17:14. | |
fired four shots at the door. My ears were ringing. That's correct, | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
my lady. So, again, is that a reconstruction? It is taking the | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
facts into account. There are four shots fired. I don't remember | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
specifically firing four shot, I remember them being fired in quick | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
succession, I said I fire four shots. I did fire them, when | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
describing the manner I fired them in quick succession. Do I remember | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
firing four? No, I don't. At the door. Correct at the door, my lady. | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
Do you remember firing at the door? Yes. Yesterday when we ended you | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
said you don't. You can't remember. That is incorrect my lady. You did. | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
That is incorrect. When put to me if I remember firing at the door I said | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
yes, I remember firing at the door, I wasn't at the time I fired the | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
pistol was pointed at the door. When I heard the noise I fired the -- | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
pistol. I refiring at the door. I never said I don't remember firing | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
at the door. Let me just get it, and we luckily have the record. This is | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
your evidence. I remember firing four shots at the door. That's | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
correct my lady. Because you remember aiming at the door. I | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
remember pulling the trirks and the rounds going into the door, my lady. | :18:44. | :18:53. | |
Unfortunately -- I remember pulling the trigger and rounds going into | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
the door. That's correct. How do you remember the rounds going into the | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
door? I don't understand... Did you hear them go into the door, did you | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
see them going through the door? That is where the firearm was | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
pointed, my lady. That is my remembrance is I saw them going into | :19:12. | :19:28. | |
the door. That is where I fired. So... Now we can go back to where we | :19:29. | :19:36. | |
stopped yesterday. You fired, did you fire deliberately? No, my lady | :19:37. | :19:44. | |
did not fire deliberately. You are still with accidentally? I am still | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
with the fact that I fired the gun out of fear, that at a time I | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
didn't, I interpreted it, I am not trying to argue, I am saying, I | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
didn't mean to pull the trigger, so in that sense it was an accident. I | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
just want us not to again get this confused. | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
"I never meant to pull the trigger." That's correct. My lady. | :20:15. | :20:26. | |
So, you never wanted to shoot at intruders coming out of the | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
bathroom? I didn't have time to think about it my lady. Whether I | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
didn't want... I wouldn't have wanted to shoot at someone. No, | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
answer the question. You never deliberately pulled the trigger, so | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
you never wanted to shoot at robbers, intruder, coming out of the | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
toilet. That's correct my lady. So whatever happened in that bathroom, | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
noises, what happened that whole night, never caused you to pull the | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
trigger it went off accidentally? That is the opposite of what I am | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
saying. No, it is not. What I said was that the noise coming from the | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
bathroom made me pull the trigger from the toilet. So it is not what | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
Mr Nel is putting to me my lady. But you can't remember pulling the | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
trigger. Can you? I can remember pulling the trigger my lady. You | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
didn't aim at it? The firearm was aimed at door. Did you want to shoot | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
the people coming out the door or not? I didn't have time to think | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
about whether I wanted to or not. I heard a noise and I discharged the | :21:43. | :21:54. | |
firearm. So, you never wanted to shoot the intruders coming out the | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
door. That's correct. But we know weren't intruders in there Reeva was | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
in there. There was no reason for you to shoot. After the fact, as | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
which stand here today, you had no reason to shoot. That's correct my | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
lady. If you waited a second, to see if the door would open, you would | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
not have fireded. It's a possibility my lady. She was in there, we know | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
it know, she was in there. If you waited, you would not have fire | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
fired. Am I right? I am not sure, if Reeva had come out or if she had | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
spoken to me, or... Then I wouldn't have fired. Let us go. We know for a | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
fact that there were no intruders in your house that night. That's | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
correct my lady. We know for a fact there was no ladder against the | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
wall. That's correct Mill. We know for fact it was Reeva in there. | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
That's correct. We know for a fact... That's correct. We know you | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
had no reason to shoot. Objectively. That's correct, my lady. | :23:10. | :23:28. | |
Now, it is not your version you aimed at the door, because you | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
thought the robbers were coming out, and you have to protect yourself. It | :23:35. | :23:41. | |
is my version, that is what I said in my chief, I said I thought the | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
robber were in the toilet, or they were on the ladder. My firearm was | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
pointed at the toilet. My eyes were going between the window and the | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
toilet door. But why did you fire? Because I heard a noise coming from | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
inside the toilet, that I interpreted at that time split | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
moment as somebody coming out to attack me my lady. | :24:08. | :24:14. | |
Luckily, it is all on record. When you heard that, the, you just | :24:15. | :24:22. | |
started shooting. That's... Or accidentally your finger pulled the | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
trigger. I started shooting at that point. At the intruders. At the | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
door. But in your mind the intruders. What I perceived was the | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
intruder. So it wasn't accidentally. My Lord my lady I am getting | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
confused with accidentally and not accidentally. I am told to say it is | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
either an accident or not. I have said time and time again, what I | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
perceived and what I thought. I don't understand if it is not, it | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
was put to me yesterday it was by accident and now it is put it wasn't | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
by accident. I don't understand, my lady. I am saying that I didn't | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
intend to shoot, I was pointing my firearm was pointing at the door, | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
that is where I believed somebody was. When I heard a noise, didn't | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
have time to think and I fired my weapon. It was an accident. | :25:13. | :25:23. | |
My lady would this be an opportune moment, it is five to one, if we | :25:24. | :25:32. | |
take an adjournment for tea, lunch adjournment now? We will be back at | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
2.00. Court will adjourn. STUDIO: So, there you have the court | :25:39. | :25:47. | |
in Pretoria in South Africa, adjourning for a one hour lunch | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
brain, with Oscar Pistorius, who has been on the stand for the last | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
three-and-a-half hour, being put under relentless pressure by the | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
chief prosecutor Gerrie Nel. He has been cross-examined by him over the | :26:04. | :26:12. | |
death of his girlfriend Arriva. He painted a -- Reeva Steenkamp. He | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
painted a picture of Oscar Pistorius adds a man who bullied his | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
girlfriend. Text messages have been examined in detail as was an | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
incident in a restaurant in which Mr Pistorius set off a fireroom a. The | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
athlete claims he's did not kill her intentionally and Mr Pistorius said | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
he had not been wear that the gun he was holding was loaded, but insisted | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
he had not pulled the trigger. He was put under intense pressure by Mr | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
Nel "You fired that gun, there is no other way that bullet could have | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
been discharged without you pulling the trigger. You are lying. " Mr | :26:49. | :26:59. | |
Pistorius "I respect that comment but I did not pull the trigger | :27:00. | :27:00. |