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This is BBC World News Today, with me, Zeinab Badawi and the Sudanese

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capital, Khartoum, on the eve of independence for the south of the

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country. What are the prospects for peace and stability for both parts

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of Sudan? A new anthem foreign you nation. Tough challenges lie ahead

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for South Sudan, as it is embraces independence in three hours time.

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And why both as a nurse and northerners are feeling a little

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apprehensive about the future, it is all too much for this sudden

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soldier leaving the North. I'm Tim Willcox in London. Our other the

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headlines. Andy Coulson, the former editor of the News of the World, is

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arrested on suspicion of phone hacking and corruption as the man

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who brought him into government launches a judicial inquiry.

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decision to hire him was mine and mine alone. I take full

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responsibility for it. revolution part two, the Egyptians

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return to Tahrir Square cleaning their original demands have not

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been met. The shoulders of this bailed -- space shuttle, America

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will continue the dream. Into orbit off, the final launch for NASA's

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Hello and welcome from Sudan, still only just the largest country in

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Africa. In three hours time, when the South goes its own way, it will

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move to number three. These are not celebrations you might be able to

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hear some music and lights behind me, they're not celebrations for

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the independence of the cells. It is a wedding going on. The mood

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here in Khartoum has been fairly subdued, with most Bees pulled

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expressing their sadness and regret that the south of Sudan is becoming

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independent. That does not seem to be the case in the south, as Will

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Ross reports from the capital there, The final march to independence. I

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will never leave my land until I die, a song heard throughout the

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decades of war with North Sudan. Now they have their land and south

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With a little help from a mobile, people rehearse the brand new

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national anthem. The way of life has not changed much for centuries.

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Because of the war, South Sudan will start out as one of the

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poorest nations on the planet. When we were ruled by the north, we had

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no opportunities, the village chief tells me. Our children could not go

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to school, but now things are going to change. We are going to see

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development here. But for now, this is where the money is going. The

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piece is still on shaky ground and so in the south, three times as

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much money is spent on the military compared to education and health

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combined. These are the soldiers of the SPLA, the army that fought for

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so many years against the Khartoum government. The key question now

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was so Saddam becomes a new country is can all people with guns stay

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united, or will different rebel groups pop-up? -- South Sudan. Like

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this group, but just last week declared war in the south. Where

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clashes between tribes are common. The border area is rich in oil.

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EXPLOSION. Just inside the north, President Omar Al-Bashir's

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warplanes drop bombs to crush a rebellion. The fear is instead of

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sharing the oil, the two countries will keep fighting for more. We are

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absolutely committed to peace. Our people have really suffered for too

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long, 58 years of war. It is in the interests of the North for the

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South to be in peace with it, for the survival of the two states it

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is essential factor we maintain two viable states and I think the

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message is getting through. struggle for Southern independence

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is over, the struggle for peace is just beginning.

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And actually, Will Ross, luckily, joins us live from Juba. As I said,

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there is a marriage going on behind me. When I talk to people here

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about relations between the north and the South they express it in

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those terms, saying we are having a divorce now, we really regret it.

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It is a shame we didn't try harder to keep the marriage going. How are

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people in the south during their neighbours in the North? -- viewing

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their neighbours in the North? is very hard to hear you, but I can

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tell you that people now are marching down the street behind me.

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There is a party going on here. There is a feeling here are of joy

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at this split with the North. Many people feel this moment has been

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coming for years and with just hours to go, they feel that this

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split is going to lead to a better life ahead for them. There are

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people waving the South Sudan flag behind me as they walk past. The

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feeling here really is that there was no effort during the last six

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years for the marriage between the north and the south to work and

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that is why they want to break away face stop -- they want to break

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away. They feel with self governance and breaking away

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completely from the north they are going to have a better chance to

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move away from the terrible problems they face. OK, thanks very

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much indeed. I am in Khartoum, talking to people from the north

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and the south, because there are about a million southerners, we

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believe, still living in Khartoum and other parts of the North.

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Actually the people I have spoken to seem to have more mixed feelings

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about the future. I have been testing the mood at talking to some

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Going out not so much with a loud bang as allowed beat. The officers'

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club in Khartoum. An emotional The Sudanese Defence Minister and

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the chief of the armed forces bid goodbye to their southern

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colleagues. TRANSLATION: To be honest with you on this day fruit

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we feel some sadness, to ludes very good natured colleagues, who in

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some cases have been with us for decades and have served loyally in

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the army. They were given this colourful send off. There is

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clearly joy that the South is embarking on this historic venture,

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the building of a brand new nation. Iron grateful to be in separation,

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I will take my freedom. Night -- I have not taken my freedom until now,

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now I'll take my freedom and I am very grateful. There are about

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20,000 since then suddenly -- southern Sudanese in the Sudan

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National Army, about 10%. Behind me, the Air Force. In front of me, the

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soldiers. This is the last time they will be wearing these uniforms

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for an official occasion. Many are genuinely reluctant to be leaving

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Saddam's armed forces. -- Sudan. They face an uncertain future in

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the south and some of them may choose to remain in the north.

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have been a soldier since 1982. I was about 19 years old. Quite a

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change? To become a civilian again is going to be difficult, but

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eventually every retired soldier has to become a civilian and I am

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going to be one. Hello, Agnes. Another person forced to give up

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the much-loved job is Agnes Lekudu. Wonderful to see. I saw you a long

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time ago. She is one of the most prominent Southern leaders in the

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north, an adviser to President Bashir she considers him a friend.

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You are Agnes Lekudu, you are head of the ruling National Congress

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Party, the NCP, in the whole of the South. In the southern sector.

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You're going to be out of a job. This is your letter. This is the

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presidential decree. The presidential decree as saying, I,

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President Bashir, have decreed on this particular day that the

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following people will stop their work as from 9th July. The

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following people are... Including you. Although in theory the

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southern Sudanese have that transitional period of nine months

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to relocate to the south, in practice most have already packed

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up their bags and gone. Though many have complained that they have

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departed in haste. Most of them have homes which they have sold at

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a giveaway price, because they wanted to rush. Some of them did

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not have resources, enough resources to be able to support

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themselves back home, so they sold homes. Children get sick and so on,

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some have lost their children. Actually their children died in the

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journey from Khartoum back to the south? So could the international

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community have done more to help relocate the southerners? Naturally

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they would say the UN has not done, the international community has not

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enough to get us there, but it was a huge, huge and ever. There were

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hundreds of thousands of southerners actually living in the

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As the world waits to see if this doesn't have a deep -- the southern

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Sudanese can turn a concept into a viable, thriving nation, not all,

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even tougher old soldiers, can remain clear-eyed about the future.

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Well, that was the officers' club here in Khartoum. So when the South

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becomes independent in a couple of hours, they will have to redefine

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their relations with the north, but the international community is also

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going to have established new relations with South Sudan and the

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government here in Khartoum. I have been discussing that with European

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Union's Special envoy to said dam, Dame Rosalind Marsden. She knows

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Sudan pretty well because she was here as British Ambassador for

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several years and she told me what she thinks the EU is going to be

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doing to support both parts of the country. Our main message to both

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North and South is you have come a long way, now you need to go the

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extra mile. To resolve these outstanding issues, so you can live

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together peacefully with good neighbourly relations. You know

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what President Bashir says here in Khartoum, look, when the South

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voted for independence people said I would Deeo realism how, I would

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not back it, yet he says he was the first to support their independence.

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Does he get any carrots for that? We remain ready to step up our

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political dialogue with the government of Sudan. We are also

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committed in the long term to underpin two viable states, both in

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the north and in the south, but first of all it is very important

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that we address some of the key outstanding issues. We must not

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forget Darfur, the European Union is very concerned about security

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and humanitarian situation in Darfur. We have continued to press

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for improved humanitarian access, but also for a comprehensive and

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inclusive peace settlement for Darfur. Let's look at the prospects

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for the south. What are the potential pitfalls there? There is

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a huge need for development. There is a huge need for humanitarian

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assistance and also the need for capacity building. So I think we

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all recognise the huge nature of the challenges that will be faced

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by this new state. Lots of people going back, not a great deal for

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them to go back to, jobs, homes, not much infrastructure. Are they

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going to get a shock of their lives? I think the positive thing

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is that the international community is very strongly committed to

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support the government also that Saddam, to try to deliver a peace

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dividend to the population -- to South Sudan. To deliver basic

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services. That is one area where the European Union will scale up

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development assistance quite considerably. Money is not the

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problem, is it, by some reckoning it has had as much as $9.5 billion

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in oil revenues in the past five or six years. But most of that, three-

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quarters of it, has gone into the pay of the army there.

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government of South Sudan has had to find a way of paying and

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supporting the members of the Sudan People's Liberation Army. That is a

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huge drain on the budget but nevertheless it is an important

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responsibility. We obviously very much hope that the combination of

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South Sudan's oil revenue and the development assistance it will be

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resist -- it will be receiving from the international community, that

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more of that can go in future to provide a peace dividend to the

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population. We will be working closely with the government in

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support of their priorities, to try to help them to deliver that.

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That was Dame Rosalind Marsden, the EU special envoy to Sudan, talking

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to me. It is worth remembering as South Sudan stands on the threshold

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of becoming independent, what a long journey it has been for it.

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More than five decades of war between north and south, around two

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million dead, not all in the fighting but also through famine

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and disease, so clearly a great deal of sad history is behind the

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momentous celebrations that are going to be taking place in Juba,

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the southern Sudanese capital. VIPs have been pouring in and some have

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been coming in through here, Khartoum. President Bashir himself

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is going to be there, his government has officially

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recognised the south of Sudan as independent. We will be looking

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forward to seeing what happens off course to both north and south

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Sudan, but for the moment, from me, Zeinab Badawi, back to you in the

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The British Prime Minister's former head of communications, Andy

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Coulson, was arrested today by police investigating the

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allegations of phone hacking at the News of the World newspaper. The

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arrest came as David Cameron was forced to defend his decision to

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hire Mr Coulson. He also confirmed there will be two inquiries into

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the scandal - one led by a judge. The phone hacking scandal at the

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News of the World is not going away. It embraces the press, the police

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and the politicians. As he tries to fight the damage to his own

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Government, David Cameron began his press conference with an admission

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- but the political class could have done more to stop it. Because

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party leaders were so keen to win the support of newspapers, we

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turned a blind eye to the need to sort this issue, to get on top of

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the bad practices to change the way newspapers are regulated. It is, if

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you like, a bit like MPs' expenses, the people in power knew things

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were not right, but they did not do enough, quickly enough until the

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mess of the situation was revealed. But, around the time the Prime

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Minister was speaking, this former editor of the News of the World was

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arrested by police. Until January of this year, Andy Coulson was

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David Cameron's communications gurus. He has always denied any

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knowledge of the phone hacking. But now the Prime Minister is facing

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growing calls to explain why he chose to hire a man who once

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presided at the newspaper. resigned at the News of the World

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because of the things that happened on his watch. I decided to give him

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a second chance and no one raise any concerns about how he did his

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chance for me. He had to resign all over again. The decision to hire

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him was mine, and mine alone and I take full responsibility for it.

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for the questions about the position of News International's

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chief executive in the UK, Mr Cameron said this. On the case of

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Rebekah Brooks, as I had said, I do not think it is right for the Prime

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Minister to start picking and choosing who should run and who

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shouldn't run media organisations. It has been reported she offered

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her resignation over this and in this situation I would have taken

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it. David Cameron has done his best to distance himself from this

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scandal. But questions about his own judgments and friendships

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continue, especially now some say they warned him years ago about

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hiring a former News of the World editor.

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Joining me now from Central London is Professor of Communication,s

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Steven Barnett, from Westminster University, an expert on media

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policy and regulation. A watershed moment today, not only for the

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British press, but perhaps the relationship for the political

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establishment as well? I would go further, I would say a watershed in

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British public life. David Cameron's statement is significant,

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but Ed Miliband, the opposition leader was making similar noises

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about the way in which senior politicians in this country have

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simply bowed down to the power of media barons. I have to say some of

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us have been saying this for many years. It has happened on all sides

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of the House of Commons. I think what we have seen, is actually

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quite an important power shift back towards frankly, where power ought

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to be long which is the elected representatives of this country

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rather than in the hands of press barons. This idea of self-

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regulation which the British written media is subjected to under

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the PCT. It is a busted flush now it is it? The PCT is about as much

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use as a chocolate teapot. I think the Prime Minister made it clear it

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is useless and many people have been saying it is useless for some

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time. The real question now is, what is going to take its place?

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David Cameron is right to say there has to be an inquiry into the sort

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of news regulatory system we might see. The real sticking point is

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going to be to what extent will it be still self-regulatory? Will we

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be leaving it to the print industry? To what extent will there

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be some kind of statutory a backstop, maybe a version of Ofcom,

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which is our communication broadcasting regulator which is set

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up in statute. It is interesting, the original remit for the decision

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about whether BSkyB, News International could buy the

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remaining stake, Ofcom is talking about whether the individual

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company is fit and proper to own a TV stations. Has that changed in

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terms of the decision which will be made politically by the Culture

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Secretary? Let's be clear about this, there are two separate

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processes. One is the legal process and it is up to the Secretary of

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State in a quiet side judicial capacity to decide whether this

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takeover should go ahead or not. He has made it clear and David Cameron

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has made it clear it will be kicked into the long grass until September.

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Under the 2003 Communications Act, there is a stipulation the holders

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of broadcasting licences must be fit and proper people. Her Ofcom

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are saying they are keeping a close eye on these developments have to

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see if there is any suggestion those running BSkyB, at the moment

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those who have at least control of BSkyB, 39%, News Corp are fit and

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proper people to hold the broadcasting licence. That is a

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separate process. Turning to tabloid journalism, people have

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referred to it as gung-ho journalism. When you look back, do

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you see more could was achieved by that sort of journalism rather than

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some of the peccadilloes and mistakes of the past few years by a

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few bad apples? When it comes down to hacking phones of murdered

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schoolchildren and widowed service wives, it gets beyond peccadilloes.

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I agree with that, but it is a muscular journalism which other

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countries do not have? At its best, you are right. We need a system

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which makes absolutely certain these illegal practices are stopped,

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but at the same time - there is no reason why you cannot do that and

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at the same time have a system which encourages robust journalism

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in the public interest. Thanks very much for joining us.

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Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have been out on the streets again

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today, protesting about the slow pace of political reform. Gathering

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in Cairo's Tahrir Square and in the cities of Alexandria and Suez, they

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also demanded that those responsible for killing

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demonstrators be held accountable. From Cairo, Jon Leyne reports.

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Once more, they flooded into Tahrir Square. It was the largest

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demonstrations since crowds unseated President Mubarak five

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months ago. Since then, Egyptians have become more frustrated about

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the pace of change. Basic behind- the-scenes, the same old officials

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are still in control of power centres like the interior ministry.

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We have been promised as -- promised changes of the interior --

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Ministry interior. But you days ago we have seen violence, tear gas and

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rubber bullets. One banner has a caricature of Hosni Mubarak, with

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the words "we will get you". But what infuriates these protesters is

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the military rulers seem to be bringing Best dragging their feet

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in bringing the former President and his inner circle to trial. This

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hides a growing bitterness among so many Egyptians about the way things

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are going and that is bad news for those trying to run this country.

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That anger has already boiled over in the city of Suez, where there

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were riots after a court freed on bail, policemen accused of shooting

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dead a protesters. Elsewhere, the complaints are about high food

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prices and lack of security. Here in Tahrir Square, the police stayed

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away to avoid trouble. Protesters have about to begin a sit in. It

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could be the beginning of a new and long confrontation with the

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military rulers who took over from President Mubarak.

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Now a look at some of the days other news. Reports from Syria say

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several people have been killed during renewed anti-government

:24:20.:24:22.

demonstrations. Protestors have again taken to the streets in

:24:22.:24:25.

cities across the country. Reports say that the security services have

:24:25.:24:27.

killed several protestors in the capital, Damascus. A policeman was

:24:27.:24:30.

reportedly killed in Homs. The American and French ambassadors

:24:30.:24:33.

visited the flashpoint city of Hama, where thousands gathered in a city

:24:33.:24:38.

square. The Syrian authorities called the visits an incitement.

:24:38.:24:42.

A Congolese airline has crashed in Kisangani. One report says that

:24:42.:24:45.

there were 112 passengers on board the plane when it came down at the

:24:45.:24:48.

airport there, the third largest city in the Democratic Republic of

:24:48.:24:52.

Congo. A government official is quoted as saying that 40 survivors

:24:52.:25:02.
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have been pulled from the plane. The very last space shuttle flight

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has blasted off from Cape Canaveral. But while they Mission to the

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International Space Station marks the end of an era for America's

:25:13.:25:20.

manned space programme. Cheers for a moment of history,

:25:20.:25:24.

four astronauts about to fly on the final space shuttle - it is the end

:25:25.:25:28.

of an era. At the launch pad Atlanta's, fuelled and ready, with

:25:28.:25:35.

three hours to go the crew climb inside. The launch is on. Atlanta's

:25:35.:25:44.

does. The shuttles have flown for 30 years, now the last count down.

:25:44.:25:50.

The final lift off of Atlanta's. Even from three miles away it is

:25:50.:25:56.

bright as the shuttle accelerates towards 17,000 miles an hour. An

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incredible sight and any second now, here comes, you can feel this

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vibration inside you. Crowds were watching an emotional sight. This

:26:13.:26:18.

meant everything to me. I wanted to see a shuttle launch more than

:26:18.:26:23.

anything. We have come from Virginia, and seeing that made me

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