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This is BBC World News Today, with me, Zeinab Badawi and the Sudanese


capital, Khartoum, on the eve of independence for the south of the


country. What are the prospects for peace and stability for both parts


of Sudan? A new anthem foreign you nation. Tough challenges lie ahead


for South Sudan, as it is embraces independence in three hours time.


And why both as a nurse and northerners are feeling a little


apprehensive about the future, it is all too much for this sudden


soldier leaving the North. I'm Tim Willcox in London. Our other the


headlines. Andy Coulson, the former editor of the News of the World, is


arrested on suspicion of phone hacking and corruption as the man


who brought him into government launches a judicial inquiry.


decision to hire him was mine and mine alone. I take full


responsibility for it. revolution part two, the Egyptians


return to Tahrir Square cleaning their original demands have not


been met. The shoulders of this bailed -- space shuttle, America


will continue the dream. Into orbit off, the final launch for NASA's


Hello and welcome from Sudan, still only just the largest country in


Africa. In three hours time, when the South goes its own way, it will


move to number three. These are not celebrations you might be able to


hear some music and lights behind me, they're not celebrations for


the independence of the cells. It is a wedding going on. The mood


here in Khartoum has been fairly subdued, with most Bees pulled


expressing their sadness and regret that the south of Sudan is becoming


independent. That does not seem to be the case in the south, as Will


Ross reports from the capital there, The final march to independence. I


will never leave my land until I die, a song heard throughout the


decades of war with North Sudan. Now they have their land and south


With a little help from a mobile, people rehearse the brand new


national anthem. The way of life has not changed much for centuries.


Because of the war, South Sudan will start out as one of the


poorest nations on the planet. When we were ruled by the north, we had


no opportunities, the village chief tells me. Our children could not go


to school, but now things are going to change. We are going to see


development here. But for now, this is where the money is going. The


piece is still on shaky ground and so in the south, three times as


much money is spent on the military compared to education and health


combined. These are the soldiers of the SPLA, the army that fought for


so many years against the Khartoum government. The key question now


was so Saddam becomes a new country is can all people with guns stay


united, or will different rebel groups pop-up? -- South Sudan. Like


this group, but just last week declared war in the south. Where


clashes between tribes are common. The border area is rich in oil.


EXPLOSION. Just inside the north, President Omar Al-Bashir's


warplanes drop bombs to crush a rebellion. The fear is instead of


sharing the oil, the two countries will keep fighting for more. We are


absolutely committed to peace. Our people have really suffered for too


long, 58 years of war. It is in the interests of the North for the


South to be in peace with it, for the survival of the two states it


is essential factor we maintain two viable states and I think the


message is getting through. struggle for Southern independence


is over, the struggle for peace is just beginning.


And actually, Will Ross, luckily, joins us live from Juba. As I said,


there is a marriage going on behind me. When I talk to people here


about relations between the north and the South they express it in


those terms, saying we are having a divorce now, we really regret it.


It is a shame we didn't try harder to keep the marriage going. How are


people in the south during their neighbours in the North? -- viewing


their neighbours in the North? is very hard to hear you, but I can


tell you that people now are marching down the street behind me.


There is a party going on here. There is a feeling here are of joy


at this split with the North. Many people feel this moment has been


coming for years and with just hours to go, they feel that this


split is going to lead to a better life ahead for them. There are


people waving the South Sudan flag behind me as they walk past. The


feeling here really is that there was no effort during the last six


years for the marriage between the north and the south to work and


that is why they want to break away face stop -- they want to break


away. They feel with self governance and breaking away


completely from the north they are going to have a better chance to


move away from the terrible problems they face. OK, thanks very


much indeed. I am in Khartoum, talking to people from the north


and the south, because there are about a million southerners, we


believe, still living in Khartoum and other parts of the North.


Actually the people I have spoken to seem to have more mixed feelings


about the future. I have been testing the mood at talking to some


Going out not so much with a loud bang as allowed beat. The officers'


club in Khartoum. An emotional The Sudanese Defence Minister and


the chief of the armed forces bid goodbye to their southern


colleagues. TRANSLATION: To be honest with you on this day fruit


we feel some sadness, to ludes very good natured colleagues, who in


some cases have been with us for decades and have served loyally in


the army. They were given this colourful send off. There is


clearly joy that the South is embarking on this historic venture,


the building of a brand new nation. Iron grateful to be in separation,


I will take my freedom. Night -- I have not taken my freedom until now,


now I'll take my freedom and I am very grateful. There are about


20,000 since then suddenly -- southern Sudanese in the Sudan


National Army, about 10%. Behind me, the Air Force. In front of me, the


soldiers. This is the last time they will be wearing these uniforms


for an official occasion. Many are genuinely reluctant to be leaving


Saddam's armed forces. -- Sudan. They face an uncertain future in


the south and some of them may choose to remain in the north.


have been a soldier since 1982. I was about 19 years old. Quite a


change? To become a civilian again is going to be difficult, but


eventually every retired soldier has to become a civilian and I am


going to be one. Hello, Agnes. Another person forced to give up


the much-loved job is Agnes Lekudu. Wonderful to see. I saw you a long


time ago. She is one of the most prominent Southern leaders in the


north, an adviser to President Bashir she considers him a friend.


You are Agnes Lekudu, you are head of the ruling National Congress


Party, the NCP, in the whole of the South. In the southern sector.


You're going to be out of a job. This is your letter. This is the


presidential decree. The presidential decree as saying, I,


President Bashir, have decreed on this particular day that the


following people will stop their work as from 9th July. The


following people are... Including you. Although in theory the


southern Sudanese have that transitional period of nine months


to relocate to the south, in practice most have already packed


up their bags and gone. Though many have complained that they have


departed in haste. Most of them have homes which they have sold at


a giveaway price, because they wanted to rush. Some of them did


not have resources, enough resources to be able to support


themselves back home, so they sold homes. Children get sick and so on,


some have lost their children. Actually their children died in the


journey from Khartoum back to the south? So could the international


community have done more to help relocate the southerners? Naturally


they would say the UN has not done, the international community has not


enough to get us there, but it was a huge, huge and ever. There were


hundreds of thousands of southerners actually living in the


As the world waits to see if this doesn't have a deep -- the southern


Sudanese can turn a concept into a viable, thriving nation, not all,


even tougher old soldiers, can remain clear-eyed about the future.


Well, that was the officers' club here in Khartoum. So when the South


becomes independent in a couple of hours, they will have to redefine


their relations with the north, but the international community is also


going to have established new relations with South Sudan and the


government here in Khartoum. I have been discussing that with European


Union's Special envoy to said dam, Dame Rosalind Marsden. She knows


Sudan pretty well because she was here as British Ambassador for


several years and she told me what she thinks the EU is going to be


doing to support both parts of the country. Our main message to both


North and South is you have come a long way, now you need to go the


extra mile. To resolve these outstanding issues, so you can live


together peacefully with good neighbourly relations. You know


what President Bashir says here in Khartoum, look, when the South


voted for independence people said I would Deeo realism how, I would


not back it, yet he says he was the first to support their independence.


Does he get any carrots for that? We remain ready to step up our


political dialogue with the government of Sudan. We are also


committed in the long term to underpin two viable states, both in


the north and in the south, but first of all it is very important


that we address some of the key outstanding issues. We must not


forget Darfur, the European Union is very concerned about security


and humanitarian situation in Darfur. We have continued to press


for improved humanitarian access, but also for a comprehensive and


inclusive peace settlement for Darfur. Let's look at the prospects


for the south. What are the potential pitfalls there? There is


a huge need for development. There is a huge need for humanitarian


assistance and also the need for capacity building. So I think we


all recognise the huge nature of the challenges that will be faced


by this new state. Lots of people going back, not a great deal for


them to go back to, jobs, homes, not much infrastructure. Are they


going to get a shock of their lives? I think the positive thing


is that the international community is very strongly committed to


support the government also that Saddam, to try to deliver a peace


dividend to the population -- to South Sudan. To deliver basic


services. That is one area where the European Union will scale up


development assistance quite considerably. Money is not the


problem, is it, by some reckoning it has had as much as $9.5 billion


in oil revenues in the past five or six years. But most of that, three-


quarters of it, has gone into the pay of the army there.


government of South Sudan has had to find a way of paying and


supporting the members of the Sudan People's Liberation Army. That is a


huge drain on the budget but nevertheless it is an important


responsibility. We obviously very much hope that the combination of


South Sudan's oil revenue and the development assistance it will be


resist -- it will be receiving from the international community, that


more of that can go in future to provide a peace dividend to the


population. We will be working closely with the government in


support of their priorities, to try to help them to deliver that.


That was Dame Rosalind Marsden, the EU special envoy to Sudan, talking


to me. It is worth remembering as South Sudan stands on the threshold


of becoming independent, what a long journey it has been for it.


More than five decades of war between north and south, around two


million dead, not all in the fighting but also through famine


and disease, so clearly a great deal of sad history is behind the


momentous celebrations that are going to be taking place in Juba,


the southern Sudanese capital. VIPs have been pouring in and some have


been coming in through here, Khartoum. President Bashir himself


is going to be there, his government has officially


recognised the south of Sudan as independent. We will be looking


forward to seeing what happens off course to both north and south


Sudan, but for the moment, from me, Zeinab Badawi, back to you in the


The British Prime Minister's former head of communications, Andy


Coulson, was arrested today by police investigating the


allegations of phone hacking at the News of the World newspaper. The


arrest came as David Cameron was forced to defend his decision to


hire Mr Coulson. He also confirmed there will be two inquiries into


the scandal - one led by a judge. The phone hacking scandal at the


News of the World is not going away. It embraces the press, the police


and the politicians. As he tries to fight the damage to his own


Government, David Cameron began his press conference with an admission


- but the political class could have done more to stop it. Because


party leaders were so keen to win the support of newspapers, we


turned a blind eye to the need to sort this issue, to get on top of


the bad practices to change the way newspapers are regulated. It is, if


you like, a bit like MPs' expenses, the people in power knew things


were not right, but they did not do enough, quickly enough until the


mess of the situation was revealed. But, around the time the Prime


Minister was speaking, this former editor of the News of the World was


arrested by police. Until January of this year, Andy Coulson was


David Cameron's communications gurus. He has always denied any


knowledge of the phone hacking. But now the Prime Minister is facing


growing calls to explain why he chose to hire a man who once


presided at the newspaper. resigned at the News of the World


because of the things that happened on his watch. I decided to give him


a second chance and no one raise any concerns about how he did his


chance for me. He had to resign all over again. The decision to hire


him was mine, and mine alone and I take full responsibility for it.


for the questions about the position of News International's


chief executive in the UK, Mr Cameron said this. On the case of


Rebekah Brooks, as I had said, I do not think it is right for the Prime


Minister to start picking and choosing who should run and who


shouldn't run media organisations. It has been reported she offered


her resignation over this and in this situation I would have taken


it. David Cameron has done his best to distance himself from this


scandal. But questions about his own judgments and friendships


continue, especially now some say they warned him years ago about


hiring a former News of the World editor.


Joining me now from Central London is Professor of Communication,s


Steven Barnett, from Westminster University, an expert on media


policy and regulation. A watershed moment today, not only for the


British press, but perhaps the relationship for the political


establishment as well? I would go further, I would say a watershed in


British public life. David Cameron's statement is significant,


but Ed Miliband, the opposition leader was making similar noises


about the way in which senior politicians in this country have


simply bowed down to the power of media barons. I have to say some of


us have been saying this for many years. It has happened on all sides


of the House of Commons. I think what we have seen, is actually


quite an important power shift back towards frankly, where power ought


to be long which is the elected representatives of this country


rather than in the hands of press barons. This idea of self-


regulation which the British written media is subjected to under


the PCT. It is a busted flush now it is it? The PCT is about as much


use as a chocolate teapot. I think the Prime Minister made it clear it


is useless and many people have been saying it is useless for some


time. The real question now is, what is going to take its place?


David Cameron is right to say there has to be an inquiry into the sort


of news regulatory system we might see. The real sticking point is


going to be to what extent will it be still self-regulatory? Will we


be leaving it to the print industry? To what extent will there


be some kind of statutory a backstop, maybe a version of Ofcom,


which is our communication broadcasting regulator which is set


up in statute. It is interesting, the original remit for the decision


about whether BSkyB, News International could buy the


remaining stake, Ofcom is talking about whether the individual


company is fit and proper to own a TV stations. Has that changed in


terms of the decision which will be made politically by the Culture


Secretary? Let's be clear about this, there are two separate


processes. One is the legal process and it is up to the Secretary of


State in a quiet side judicial capacity to decide whether this


takeover should go ahead or not. He has made it clear and David Cameron


has made it clear it will be kicked into the long grass until September.


Under the 2003 Communications Act, there is a stipulation the holders


of broadcasting licences must be fit and proper people. Her Ofcom


are saying they are keeping a close eye on these developments have to


see if there is any suggestion those running BSkyB, at the moment


those who have at least control of BSkyB, 39%, News Corp are fit and


proper people to hold the broadcasting licence. That is a


separate process. Turning to tabloid journalism, people have


referred to it as gung-ho journalism. When you look back, do


you see more could was achieved by that sort of journalism rather than


some of the peccadilloes and mistakes of the past few years by a


few bad apples? When it comes down to hacking phones of murdered


schoolchildren and widowed service wives, it gets beyond peccadilloes.


I agree with that, but it is a muscular journalism which other


countries do not have? At its best, you are right. We need a system


which makes absolutely certain these illegal practices are stopped,


but at the same time - there is no reason why you cannot do that and


at the same time have a system which encourages robust journalism


in the public interest. Thanks very much for joining us.


Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have been out on the streets again


today, protesting about the slow pace of political reform. Gathering


in Cairo's Tahrir Square and in the cities of Alexandria and Suez, they


also demanded that those responsible for killing


demonstrators be held accountable. From Cairo, Jon Leyne reports.


Once more, they flooded into Tahrir Square. It was the largest


demonstrations since crowds unseated President Mubarak five


months ago. Since then, Egyptians have become more frustrated about


the pace of change. Basic behind- the-scenes, the same old officials


are still in control of power centres like the interior ministry.


We have been promised as -- promised changes of the interior --


Ministry interior. But you days ago we have seen violence, tear gas and


rubber bullets. One banner has a caricature of Hosni Mubarak, with


the words "we will get you". But what infuriates these protesters is


the military rulers seem to be bringing Best dragging their feet


in bringing the former President and his inner circle to trial. This


hides a growing bitterness among so many Egyptians about the way things


are going and that is bad news for those trying to run this country.


That anger has already boiled over in the city of Suez, where there


were riots after a court freed on bail, policemen accused of shooting


dead a protesters. Elsewhere, the complaints are about high food


prices and lack of security. Here in Tahrir Square, the police stayed


away to avoid trouble. Protesters have about to begin a sit in. It


could be the beginning of a new and long confrontation with the


military rulers who took over from President Mubarak.


Now a look at some of the days other news. Reports from Syria say


several people have been killed during renewed anti-government


demonstrations. Protestors have again taken to the streets in


cities across the country. Reports say that the security services have


killed several protestors in the capital, Damascus. A policeman was


reportedly killed in Homs. The American and French ambassadors


visited the flashpoint city of Hama, where thousands gathered in a city


square. The Syrian authorities called the visits an incitement.


A Congolese airline has crashed in Kisangani. One report says that


there were 112 passengers on board the plane when it came down at the


airport there, the third largest city in the Democratic Republic of


Congo. A government official is quoted as saying that 40 survivors


have been pulled from the plane. The very last space shuttle flight


has blasted off from Cape Canaveral. But while they Mission to the


International Space Station marks the end of an era for America's


manned space programme. Cheers for a moment of history,


four astronauts about to fly on the final space shuttle - it is the end


of an era. At the launch pad Atlanta's, fuelled and ready, with


three hours to go the crew climb inside. The launch is on. Atlanta's


does. The shuttles have flown for 30 years, now the last count down.


The final lift off of Atlanta's. Even from three miles away it is


bright as the shuttle accelerates towards 17,000 miles an hour. An


incredible sight and any second now, here comes, you can feel this


vibration inside you. Crowds were watching an emotional sight. This


meant everything to me. I wanted to see a shuttle launch more than


anything. We have come from Virginia, and seeing that made me


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