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This is BBC World News Today. The Gaddafi era draws to a close:


Libyan rebels say they now control 95% of the capital Tripoli. He has


played his last card, his last game. And even his army have lost control.


The whereabouts of Gaddafi is unknown, but three of his sons,


including his heir, Saif Al-Islam, are detained by rebels in Libya.


Who will fill the power vacuum in post-Gaddafi Libya? We talk to a


key member of the National Transitional Council who is


spearheading reconstruction efforts. And world leaders welcome the


rebels' progress in their battle to topple Gaddafi and urge a peaceful


Hello and welcome to the programme, devoted today to the historic and


fast-moving events in Libya. Rebels now control nearly all of the


capital Tripoli, except for a few pockets of fierce resistance by


diehard supporters of Colonel Gaddafi. It has not been much of a


battle either. Opposition to the rebels seems to have mostly just


melted away in Tripoli. Gaddafi's most powerful sons are under arrest


and the state TV station is off-air. But the rebels won't declare


victory until Gaddafi himself is captured. With the latest from


Tripoli, here's Matthew Price. On the streets of Tripoli, a


revolution. They chanted their new Libyan national anthem, and flew


the fact -- flew the flag of what they believe is the new, free Libya.


Gaddafi, your time is up, they cried. The burbles sped into the


capital with astonishing speed. -- the rebels. Moving into Green


Square, they tore down his posters and flags. Three miles to the south,


in a hotel, it we watched as Colonel Gaddafi's spokesman held


what may be his last press conference. Tripoli is well


protected, and we have thousands of professional soldiers who are ready


to defend the city. But even as he was speaking, the


rebels were celebrating, trampling the leader they have come to


despise. Today, rebel forces continued to stream into Tripoli,


believing they were on the verge of a victory. This is a city of


checkpoints, of men protecting their neighbourhoods, wary of what


Gaddafi's forces may do next. In areas, there has been fierce


fighting. Battles have raged around Gaddafi's compound. Gunfire and


explosions can be heard. The Gaddafi family is under pressure


like never before. Last night, news came off another son, Saif Al-Islam,


being arrested. Then, on Al-Jazeera, another Gaddafi son was live on air


when rebels seized him. I am being attacked right now. This is gunfire,


inside my house. They are inside my house!


But what of Colonel Gaddafi himself? He made a radio address


last night, calling on supporters to rise up. Is he in Tripoli? His


home town? And what is he planning? 's this city is not under


opposition control. Here in the hotel, where journalists have


stayed, Gaddafi supporters are in charge both inside and on the


streets. It is hard to determine how much of the city this still


hold, but the battle for Tripoli is not yet over.


NATO has continued its air strikes. Without its air support, the rebels


would not be in the strong position they find themselves now. And


Libyan state television, has now fallen off their. Still, opposition


supporters are confident to be freely talking about the new Libya.


-- fallen off air. He has played his last card, his


last game. And even his bigger army, they have lost control. All the


army of Gaddafi now, they fight without any order or anything.


If he is, it will his supporters laid down their guns, or fight to


the last? -- laid down. In six months, the conflict in


Libya has been characterised by swings in the fortunes of the


rebels. But in the past few days, the rebels have advanced at a rapid


pace. From the west, they have been approaching from the strategic town


of Zawiya, which fell at the weekend, just a 30 minute drive


from the capital. On the eastern front, they have been moving in


from Zlitan, nearly 100 miles from Tripoli. And in the south, another


rebel convoy has been making swift progress. Our correspondent is with


a convoy of rebels which earlier today managed to enter the centre


of Tripoli. This morning, as we have come into


Tripoli, very quiet. The few sides -- few sounds of shooting in the


background. This is all we are seeing, groups of young men at


celebrating. So far, no signs of fighting in the city. Everything


looks very quiet. We have just come into the centre


of Tripoli. We have come up against this roadblock. They say there is


still fighting going on up ahead. They are bringing up rebel fighters.


They have just past us in the car here. Where is Gaddafi? Nobody


knows! He maybe in the earth! Maybe here. He is hiding somewhere?


scared. Although it appears very quiet in


Tripoli this morning, it is also very tense, and they are still


parts of the city not under rebel control, and still resistance going


on. Then we came across a convoy heading into the city. Little do


these fighters know what lay in store ahead. We decided to follow


them as they headed along the seafront towards the city centre.


Up ahead, there are still signs of fighting. But then we ran straight


into an ambush. We saw a 20mm anti- aircraft cannon firing into the


It is clear that despite the celebrations, this is still a city


that is far from safe also cure. We can cross live to our


correspondent. Misrata, to the east of Tripoli,


has been the scene of very fierce fighting. Last night, there were


celebrations in the streets. We can talk to our correspondent in


Misrata. There is jubilation here. They have been through an


extraordinary ordeal here. I don't think anybody expected to see their


forces breaking into the capital this soon. It has been planned a


long time, the military committee here who led the battle to force


Gaddafi's forces are out of the city, they helped to plan this


uprising. It was a joint uprising in Tripoli. Forces going from here,


they cannot get here by road. The road is blocked. But several


hundreds of them went by boat instead, and joined the uprising in


Tripoli. They are pleased that operation has gone well, they are


planned it was better organised than previous opposition attempts.


There is also a realisation that it is not yet over. They are not yet


Pope -- not yet to be able to open the road. When that road has open,


they can say western Libya is in opposition hands.


As the Gaddafi regime crumbles, it is by no means certain that peace


and stability will follow. After four decades of repression and one-


man rule, the challenges of transforming Libya into a free and


democratic country are tremendous. Many of the tribal, ethnic and


ideological divisions in Libya are reflected within rebel ranks. And


though the goal of removing Gaddafi has unified them, that unity could


unravel once he is gone. Some of the prominent rebel leaders, like


the chairman of the National Transition Council, Mustafa Abdel


Jalil, were senior members of Gaddafi's government before they


defected and are viewed with suspicion by some Libyans. The


mysterious death last month of the rebels' military commander, Abdel


Fattah Younes, suggests there are fractures amongst their ranks.


General Younes, who was an interior minister under Gaddafi, is believed


to have been killed by rebel fighters. One of the key members of


Libya's National Transitional Council is Ahmed Jehani, who serves


as the National Transitional Council's minister for


Reconstruction and Infrastructure. He joins me now from Dubai, where


the National Transitional Council has established its headquarters


outside Libya. Tell me, do you speak with one voice? We know the


existence of divisions and factions within your movement. We are


learning to be democratic, so we are allowing 100 flowers to bloom.


But we do speak with one voice on the basic and main challenges


facing us. A do you believe you have the confidence and authority


of the Libyan people to do what you believe needs to be done? Yes, the


Libyan people have spoken so loudly, that they want to express their


views, and reach their objective of having a democratic state. We are


helping at this process. As Libyans, most of us are volunteering to


bring about a stable, secure all and just framework and environment


within which democracy will express itself. The mandate is the Libyan


people wanting what we want. We are all part of that. Our institutions


are evolving to deal with different phases. This phase is transitional.


Many of the ideas for transitions are geared towards nation-building,


such as reconciliation, and hopefully this will lead to the


constitutional live we are aiming for. If you look at post conflict


Egypt, we can see there is a political uncertainty, crime has


risen substantially. How can you restore order and minimise unrest?


There are huge fears about reprisals, obviously. We have been


thinking hard for the last few months on the day when our lives


were taken away from us. Now we are reclaiming it with a very serious


and hard headed attitude. There are issues of security, of course. We


are seeking help from the international community, and we are


addressing the operational side of bed, making sure there is no


destabilisation of the security aberrations -- security apparatus


that exists. We are dealing with different countries here. Libya is


smaller than Egypt. Libya is also fast. On this building security


apparatus, we understand they are specially trained forces trained


outside Libya. When will they go in to restore order, and do you want


for some -- do you want help from the international community?


Briefly, please. We are training at work people in Libya. We are


seeking the help of countries friendly to us. They it will be


training our people, and we are getting equipment and cars and


uniforms. That is the story. Very quickly, how do you fill with


today's events? -- How do you feel. It is the first day of our lives.


We are taking things very seriously, In a statement today, the Prime


Minister here David Cameron said Colonel Gaddafi's regime is "in


full retreat", but he added that the challenges ahead should not be


underestimated. Our Diplomatic Correspondent James Robbins reports


on the international reaction to today's events and looks towards


Libya's future. As rebels swept into Tripoli, they have much to


celebrate. Dislodging Colonel Gaddafi was extraordinarily


difficult and dangerous. It required outside help and then the


talk air campaign. The future for Libya remains uncertain and full of


risk, so well David Cameron peeled the achievement he did not hide


from the future challenges. There will be difficult you might, K.


Transition is never smooth or easy. But today, the Arab spring is one


step further away from repression and dictatorship and one step


closer to freedom and democracy, and the Libyan people are closer to


their dream of a better future, Lady from the terror of Gaddafi.


Can that dream up better future be made real? Rebels have been


persuaded not to take revenge on Gaddafi loyalists. By Colin all


Libyans to exercise self-restraint, and to respect of property and


lives of others, said they head of the rebel cows have. It is the


memory of Iraq after the toppling of Saddam Hussein which is the


nightmare, looting, Naeem and the descent into sectarian killing. But


Libya is not Iraq, but your position can 0.2 cities they hold


where law and order have not broken down. Rebels failed to prevent the


murder of General Abdul Younis, and accusations that he was the victim


of a power struggle. Looking further into the future, the number


one priority is transforming dictatorship into democracy. The


rebel opposition has drafted a new constitution. It promises a


democratic state based on law rather than tribal or personal


loyalty. It promises freedom of opinion, demonstration and mass


media. These are now just once, but the opposition NTC says that it is


committed to deliver. The NPC has, within its power, to show the West,


including showing members of ambivalent tribes that it is going


to move in line with professed liberal values. If it does that


early on and persuades people it has an excellent chance of avoiding


what happened MIraq. As the opposition celebrate in Benghazi,


its opposition will now come under intense scrutiny. Prospects are far


better than in Iraq because the Arab world was largely united


against Gaddafi, but still, it risks remain. With the battle for


Libya in its final stages, the whereabouts of Colonel Gaddafi is


still not known. There's speculation that he's under siege


in a part of Tripoli under his control. The White House has said


it believes Gaddafi is in Libya. Colonel Gaddafi himself has always


maintained he'll remain in Tripoli. With his four decades in power


drawing to a close, Allan Little looks at the man who's inspired


fear at home and funded terrorism abroad. Is there something in the


mind set of dictators that makes them blind to their own impending


downfall? This bizarre moment came in February, as rebel forces had


reportedly seized half his country. He seemed to imagine himself in --


invincible. They love me and would die to protect me, the Libyan


people. Gadaffi seized power in a coup d'etat in 1969, aged 27. Soon


his regime was marked by brutal repression at home and violence


abroad and Libya became isolated and fear. He back armed groups


around the world, and he helped arm the IRA. In 1984, someone opened


fire from inside the Libyan embassy in that London and policewoman


Yvonne Fletcher was killed. Nobody was ever brought to justice. Two


years later the United States blamed Libya for a bomb attack on a


Berlin nightclub that was full of US servicemen. The Americans born


his compound. He survived, defiant, strengthened in his own sense of


himself as heroic defender of the week against a strong. -- there are


strong. 270 died when a Pan Am jet en route to New York was bowled


over Lockerbie. The investigation is let to two Libyan agents and


Gadaffi refused to hand them over, but in 1999 he began a process that


would change his relationship with the outside world, first sending


the Lockerbie suspects for trial, then he announced he was renouncing


weapons of mass destruction to become an ally in mind the war on


terror. Western leaders embraced him. A for a country is prepared to


say that we're going to give up chemical and nuclear weapons


capability and we want a ceasefire, deceased ties with terrorist groups,


then we should open up to that. This required the diplomatic blind


eye to his continuing brutality at home, where he and his family were


feared and reviled. A popular uprising began in February and NATO


intervened in March, but he seemed to still believe in his impregnable


hold on power. Tonight, his personal fate remains undecided.


But his 42 year regime, his ability to rein through terror, is surely


now over. Andrew Mitchell is the International Development Secretary


in the UK. The Secretary of State said that everyone is mindful of


Iraq, our new also taking the lead in but post conflict planning here?


We are not taking the lead, but we will seek to learn lessons from a


rack. When I say we're not taking the lead, because the ownership of


the post gauntlet stabilisation must rest with the people in Libya.


What are you doing to support the n t see? We are heavily engaged and


have been for some months. We deployed a large team of


stabilisation experts into Benghazi. They were there for two weeks,


working with other coalition allies on stabilisation issues,


interacting with the rebels, and heavily engaged in workshops with


them to help develop the plan. But stabilisation, which will always be


complex and difficult is something in which Britain has some


experience, and I am proud and pleased about the leadership we


have shown on that, but at the end of the day, it has to be owned and


run and organised by the end T C. We have provided a service to them


to try and achieve that. Would that service extent to British forces


supporting, training, inside Libya, Libyan forces, to maintain


stability? That is extremely unlikely, not least because the NTC


has not asked for that sort of support. We are engaged in other


areas of security and justice, with providing technical assistance, and


a significant workshop with the NTC is going on today in Dubai. There


are several civil -- stabilisation expires across Whitehall who are


working with the n t c in a post conflict situation to develop


justice and security. In terms of support like that, Britain will be


significantly engaged. Are you confident that the National


Transitional Council does not have divisions within it, because there


are concerns that it is mostly made up of Libyans from the east and


that the Western rebels are not so well represented? The National


Transitional Council has been discussing with leaders of the free


were being forces in Tripoli. Its leader said in his press conference


today that this is a group that is both national and transitional.


What we will see in the next few days is a commitment to a process


that will last about eight months, that will produce a new


constitution and free elections at the end of that. The rebels swept


into many areas of Tripoli with speed that took many by surprise.


There were big celebrations in the opposition stronghold of Benghazi


in the east but the capital still faces an uncertain few days. Here


are some of Tripoli's residents with their own story of the past 24


hours. The Freedom fighters arrived and by evening the were in Green


Square in Shipperley, it is a great moment for us, a beautiful day for


us. -- in Tripoli. The rebels are prepared. They are not looking to


hire people. -- hurt people. Will local people in naturally and in


control of their neighbourhoods and control their memories. But it is -


- they are under fire from moment to moment. We cannot feel peace, we


cannot feel victory, until we see Gadaffi toppled. The future is


freedom, and not everyone gets this chance, to start on a new blank


Things are changing overnight. We are looking to the south. We're


getting some thundery downpours spilling into someone areas. We


have been watching developments in northern France, where there have


been some intense downpours. Some of these will appear from the north


on Tuesday morning. Whilst at risk for torrential thundery downpours


for the washer is an area from East Anglia down through the South East,


and central southern England. Rainfall amounts will be variable.


Some places will get 50 mm or more. That could cause some local


flooding. South West England will be dry, but we have won the of rain


running into eastern parts of South West England, in two wheels


although Western Wales should avoid the worst. It will be dry and


bright in Northern Ireland, some showers in Scotland, and showers


will be heavy and were frequent compared to today. We're seeing the


worst of the thundery, potential downpours cleaning into the North


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