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This is BBC World News Today with me Philippa Thomas.

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Tripoli is filled with gun fire. Thousands celebrate, but Gaddafi

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loyalists remain in control in some neighbourhoods.

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They are now firing rockets. You can hear one going in now.

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Wanted. Dead or alive. Rebels offer rewards to anyone who captures or

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kills Colonel Gaddafi. The leader pledges martyrdom or victory.

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More than 30 foreign journalists trapped in Tripoli's Rixos Hotel in

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recent days are now free to leave. The rebels are taking the upper

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hand in the fighting, but who will take political control? We look at

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in-fighting that could dominate Good evening.

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Libyan rebels have offered an amnesty and around $1.5 million for

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anyone who captures or kills Colonel Gaddafi. They have

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consolidated their grip on the capital Tripoli. Last night they

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managed to overrun Colonel Gaddafi's compound, but the

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embattled leader was not there. He has since broadcast a defiant

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speech, saying his decision to leave the compound was a "tactical

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retreat" and vowing to return victorious or die a martyr. For all

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the very latest let's cross live to Lyse Doucet in Tripoli. There had

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been intense clashes. However, there were some intense

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celebrations. We were in Martyr Square, a place where many had

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gathered. We are expecting families together there again to proclaim

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this is a free Libya. But last night saw one of the most decisive

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battles in what has been a six- month long battle for the control

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of Libya. As we enter Gaddafi's compound, it

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is obvious there is still fighting going on. Yesterday's liberation

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has not cleared all the diehard loyalists out. And this is about to

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get a lot more intense. So the rebels were driven back out of the

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centre of the compound this morning, back out to the outer wall. They

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have just stormed back in. They are now firing rockets into the middle

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of the compound. You can hear one To the left. This day! Stay! Once

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again, the assumption that the fighting is over is premature.

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Gaddafi's compound is a fortress with lots of tunnels and bunkers.

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This man believes Gaddafi is hiding underground. Do you think he is

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still in there? If you asked me about what I think, I do not think

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he is here. However, there are a lot of tunnels. He built the

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compound for this day, to stay running away from people. A but

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until Gaddafi is found, some here still won't dare to believe his

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dictatorship is really over. So when will you feel free? When I see

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the blood of Gaddafi on the road. Then I will be Frene! -- free!

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by the seat, we got a prince inside the life of the Gaddafi clan. This

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is the summer house of one of his sons. In one bedroom alone we found

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tens of thousands of pounds worth of designer clothing and shoes.

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When you see all these expensive things here, this is the problem.

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This is why the revolution has happened. Seen this will confirm

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what most Libyans have already expected - that the Gaddafi clan

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led alight of bulk or luxury and until they are called, this

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revolution will not be over. -- led a life of vulgar luxury.

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There was an audio message from Gaddafi this morning. Now there is

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a bounty on offer - more than �1 million for killing of capturing

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the man who imposed his politics on this country. Held by the fact that

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it is an oil-rich state. The hunt is on for the colonel. The rebels

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say the battle is not over until Gaddafi is found. I will do all I

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can to put him in a cage. The pro- Gaddafi TV channel was still trying

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to rally his troops, even as rebels took over his compound. From the

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man himself another audio message for of defiance and delusion.

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TRANSLATION: I walk through Tripoli by incognito. Nobody recognised me.

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The City is not in danger. He even claimed to have walked incognito in

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the capital where today we found many areas deserted and lifeless.

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Some believe he made be below ground in a bunker. Others believe

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he fled Tripoli for his home town. It is clear that Colonel Gaddafi

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can never have ruled the streets again, but he had an iron grip on

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this city and this country for more than 40 years and that has left its

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mark. Even now after everything that has happened, some are still

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afraid to speak about him. By the sea shore, some were escaping

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detention. We approached three families here. None were prepared

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to be interviewed. Then we met this family - professionals who spend

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half their time in Britain and were not afraid to wear for in Libya's

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new day. I am celebrating and I am happy because I am thinking about

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my children. I think about their future and the future of Libya.

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Everybody's future. There was no future before. The children of the

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Gaddafi era of finding a new voice. We could speak freely to each other

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on the phone and we could mention Gaddafi and took against him. It

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was the first time. Other than that, we have all been talking before in

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a coded way and not that directly. We evening, Martyr Square downtown

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becomes a place of celebration. Where ever Colonel Gaddafi may be

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hiding, he cannot undo this. -- wherever. Another building that

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came under rebel control was the luxury Rixos Hotel.

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We seem to have lost contact. We will try to go back to that report

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to give you the latest from Tripoli. We will try again now. We lost

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power here. This whole area has been plunged into darkness. There

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is no electricity. We are being powered by a generator. It is an

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extraordinary day here in the capital.

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More than 30 foreign journalists who had been trapped by pro-Gaddafi

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fighters in a Tripoli hotel since Sunday have been freed. The Rixos

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Hotel is just a couple of miles from Colonel Gaddafi's compound.

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Amongst them was a BBC team of five, including our correspondent Matthew

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Price. He's been speaking to his BBC colleague Wyre Davies about the

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ordeal. We had no idea this was going on. The TV has been of

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because of the electricity. We had no idea Tripoli was like this. We

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even had some newspaper journalist come into the hotel asking why we

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were still there. The reason we were still there is because we had

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two gunmen, loyal to Colonel Gaddafi, who still believe the City

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could be won by a Colonel Gaddafi's forces. They said they had been

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ordered to keep us inside to keep a safe. I mean, it was remarkable

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that they still believed all of that, despite what was happening

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around them. Has the net closed on Gaddafi? Were there are times --

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were there times with the armed guards where you felt -- Fiat for

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the words? Yes. -- feared for the worst. The next day was more

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frightening. On Monday morning we were cut and there were gunmen in

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the hotel that we had not seen before. -- we were Cup. They mainly

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left alone. We had to start stockpiling suppliers. We did

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wonder how safe we were. Organisations like the media, the

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BBC, they are seen as the enemy. However, we did feel that there

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might not be a threat... But the government was using the hotel as a

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cover. They were broadcasting state television from the hotel and

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monitoring your communications. Did you ever feel that you might be

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used as human shields as the last defence of a regime is desperate.

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Yes. The hotel is a B complex. I got a one. On Monday where I

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thought to have won a second, they are going to use this as a barracks

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for the Army for one last stand and if they do that, what will happen

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to Wells? That is when all be journalists started sleeping out in

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the same corridor, knowing that if we needed to, we could run into a

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save run. However, we found her we had no viable escape route. We did

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not know what was going on and that the majority of the streets were in

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rebel control. Well, Colonel Gaddafi's reign comes to were

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violent end and a new order has to be built from scratch. The National

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Transitional Council were meant to come here today, but they have

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decided to wait. We go to our Correspondent in Benghazi. What was

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the reason for the delay? opposite - that the obvious one. It

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is not secured. There has been cautioned from the leadership of

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the opposition. That is in contrast to the celebrations on the street.

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In Gaddafi's birthplace, he has got a lot of resources. Many are still

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loyal to him and are not really under threat from the rebel army.

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There is a lot of work left to do and today has been an

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acknowledgement of the over exhilaration of the weekend. The

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opposition are not quite ready to be the four governments but this

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country. We understand that there is a conference on September 1st.

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What will be a rebel leadership be looking for from the outside

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community? The first thing is cash, frankly. It has been an ironic

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situation. They need money. In the long-term though, this country is

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They will have enormous amounts of support and goodwill. They may need

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technical assistance, for example, the training of the police force

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and things like that. We have not The sun has set on yet another

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extraordinary day here. Down in Green Square the rallying cry is

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free Libya. There have been shouting at Colonel Gaddafi is dead

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in Arabic. But where is he? There is now a bounty on his head of more

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than �1 million for capturing the man who has dominated, personalised

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and abused hip -- abused power here for 42 years. This is a city which

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is still uncertain and dangerous. The most intense clashes have been

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taking place -- place through the day. Libyans a weight something new

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and different now. They are telling us they will be patient. They will

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clearly expect something different. Robert Hunter is former US

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ambassador to NATO, and Director of Middle East Affairs in the Carter

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administration. He's now at the National Defense University in

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Washington. I asked him if NATO's Libya mission can been called a

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success. I think you have to say it has been because it did provide air

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support of the rebels under the guise of simply protecting

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civilians. But NATO where the air power. But the Libyans themselves

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on the ground made an effective combination. So this was something

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to be supported. There were no defections, nobody backed away from

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it. I think NATO made a definite critical difference. In the past

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you were critical of European powers within NATO, in Bosnia

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especially, for doing too little, too late. Have they redeem

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themselves with Britain and France at the forefront here? -- redeemed.

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I was critical of the US at the start when we held back and only

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provided a certain kind of support function rather than active

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military engagement and left it to the Europeans. But in retrospect I

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think this will increase the reputation of European allies in

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this country, including with the Congress and the administration.

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The Europeans took the lead. Everybody but Germany. They made a

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success of it and that was used for to the alliance. It is a useful

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precedent for Washington, isn't it? At a time were it is hard to make

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the case for intervention overseas. We are still fighting two was

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directly in Afghanistan, very unpopular. -- walls. It is coming

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up to the 10th anniversary of 9/11, everybody wants to get out of Iraq

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as soon as possible, we are still fighting there. The idea of going

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in with boots on the ground and Libya was very unpopular. So what

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the Europeans have done on this will go down well, I think.

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there a sense in which the Europeans have come to the rescue

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of President Obama? His hands are tied. He was the anti-war candidate,

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making the case for intervention in Libya, was not a popular one.

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not think it is very rescuing the President because he was prepared

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to do things even more than some of his administration. But the fact

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that the Europeans did this has helped to validate the

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transatlantic relationship, to validate the use of NATO and show

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that the US has partners on whom we can rely. To that extent it has

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been very good for the President. What do you think NATO's role

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should be post conflict? At this stage it is to continue with air

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power but the real challenge is when the fighting stops. I think

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everybody in Europe and the US have to understand that responsibility

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for what happens in North Africa will go on for a long time. There

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are problems of immigration, potential violence, terrorism, of

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instability on the northern shores of North Africa. It means nobody

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can walk away from this. It will be expensive, time-consuming. We are

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in it for the long haul. We have no choice. Ghazi Gheblawi is a Libyan

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writer and blogger, living and working here in London. He joins me

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now. I can see how happy you are about the news that has come

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through. Are you now getting a flood of communication from people

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who were unable to speak? Quite a few. Some of them who have been

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detained for long periods of time and have been released. And also

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people we were speaking to but we were not speaking out loud, off

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really. -- or with any freedom. We were speaking in code. People have

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started to communicate now. It is amazing that the new government is

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giving out credit for mobile services for people to contact

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You get every sense from people you speak to that there is jubilation,

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a sense of freedom, they can speak out loud with no problem. There is

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also the psychological factor. You were saying yourself, you get used

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to having a double personality in this kind of situation. For example,

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for myself, and other writers, they would write and publish in the

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state media and sometimes they could not say what they really

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wanted. Sometimes they could not publish what they wanted so they

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needed to publish it in the outside world. Some of them would write

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something that is quite damning to the regime before, and they would

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publish it outside in a place that the regime could not reach. At

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least they could get it off their chest. But in the country itself,

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when you sit with your family there is complete opposition to the

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regime. I speak from personal experience, we have a family, we

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are all in opposition for a long time. Libyan people have been

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unable to speak out and reach out, but there is also the fact that we

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have not been able to understand as much as we would like to, and now

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rising look at what the NTC my doing running Libya, there is this

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they're that be could oversimplify it? -- There is a fear we could

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It is a normal country but it has a unique culture and history and

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background. And sometimes the media has been criticised that they

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sometimes look at things as superficial, as we saw in the

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tragedy of Rixos Hotel. Many people were fed propaganda from the regime.

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The media fell into it. We look at East and West with Libya, but it is

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more than that, it is a mosaic of people. Of course. My father was

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born in the mountains, I was born in Tripoli, I know lots of families

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from the east and west. The mother is from Misrata, the father from

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Benghazi, someone else from Tripoli, but they live in the middle of this

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country. It is not about East and West, there is no division you can

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distinguish. For example, Tripoli is a metropolis. All the tribes are

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there, the people from every place. You're an optimist believe in one

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government can pull these people together? There is a big hope that

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will happen. What the regime did was not include all the Libyan

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people. There was a minority of the people of Libya who were involved

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in this regime. Now we are trying to make it more exclusive. It is a

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difficult task. It is a big challenge but at the same time

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people will be given positions because of their merit, not because

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of their loyalty to a regime, or a government. An opportunity but a

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challenge. Thank you for coming to speak with us. Now a look at some

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of the day's other news... Russian investigators have detained a

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former police officer on suspicion of organising the murder of Anna

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Politkovskaya. The reporter, who was renowned for her criticism of

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the Kremlin and her coverage of the Chechen conflict, was killed five

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years ago. The former officer was arrested on suspicion of hiring a

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contract killer. Russia says North Korea is ready to resume

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international talks on ending its nuclear programme. On his first

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visit to Russia in almost a decade, the North Korean leader Kim Jong-il

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The talks also covered Russia's plan to build a gas pipeline to

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South Korea through the North. American and European officials at

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the UN have drawn up a draft resolution calling for

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international sanctions against the Syrian government. It condemns

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human rights abuses by security forces against anti-government

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protesters. But Russia, which has a Council veto, said it was not the

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right time to target President Assad with sanctions. Hurricane

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Irene has strengthened to a major Category 3 storm as it approaches

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the US east coast. Irene brought torrential rain and strong winds to

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the Dominican Republic, and cut Thank you for staying with us.

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After the showers today heavy rain spread up from south-west England

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through the Midlands, reaching Yorkshire and Lincolnshire later.

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Once that clears, some sunshine but also heavy showers. Low pressure is

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the driving force. This weather front is the troublemaker, the

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energy that runs along that overnight gives the heavy rain.

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Tomorrow, heavy and thundery bursts of rain. Eventually, by the end of

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the afternoon most of it has gone. A few lingering showers and

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thunderstorms. Most places should turn drier. Don't expected to be

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particularly warm. -- expect it to be. Good sunshine through Central

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England into the Midlands. But into Wales, slow-moving showers. You

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could get some storms after another, whereas just down the road you

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could stay dry. If you get caught in one of these showers you will

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know about it. A scattering of heavy showers in Northern Ireland,

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some showers with sunshine in between in Scotland. Thicker cloud

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