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This is BBC World News Today with me, Zeinab Badawi.


As if things were not bad enough in the eurozone, now the EU warns of a


new recession as it drastically cuts its growth forecast for next


year, making it even harder to escape its debt crisis. Please do


not shoot the messenger, nor the forecaster. I am looking forward to


the day when I can again bring you some good news.


Greece's new prime minister says he wants to stay in the eurozone, but


France and Germany are reportedly contemplating a two-tier Europe.


A heavy punishment for the ANC youth wing leader. Branded divisive


and reckless, Julius Malema is suspended for five years.


Also coming up in the programme: The animals on the brink of


extinction - the disappearing black rhino is one of the world's most


endangered species. A conservation groups says a quarter of mammals


are under threat. And a new take on some of the


world's most iconic images - we explore the process behind finding


Hello and welcome. Uncertainty over the future of Europe has increased.


Not only is the high level of sovereign debt in some countries


dragging the eurozone down, low growth forecasts for next year are


proving disruptive for both creditor and debtor nations. The EU


Economic Commissioner, Olli Rehn, has said predictions for growth in


the eurozone have been revised, from 1.8% to just half a percentage


point. This comes amid reports and rumours that France and Germany are


contemplating changes to the eurozone that would result in a


two-tier Europe. Matthew Price has more.


We didn't have to travel far this afternoon to find concern, anxiety


about what is happening in Europe. I am in the middle of the crisis, I


guess, and I am worried about my salary, my mortgage. Further along


the road, to the self-styled heart of Europe, the commission. And


inside today, the top Euro official here. I am looking forward to the


day when I can again bring you some good news. Not today, though, with


his latest forecast for the EU's economy. This forecast is in fact


the last wake-up call. The recovery in and the European Union has now


come to a standstill and there is a risk of a new recession. That


should strike fear into the heart of all of us. It had been hoped


that economic growth would help Europe recover from its debt crisis.


Now that is no longer a solution. The heart of old Brussels gleams


with the memory of more prosperous times. But this is a Continent


desperately short of ideas on how to emerge from its current economic


problems. With no growth and a deepening debt crisis, politicians


can't see a way forward. The strains are now ready beginning to


show within the eurozone. Some countries argue there needs to be


ever deeper integration to make sure this can never happen again.


Others say the euro cannot survive in its present form. There is only


one certainty: this is a full-blown crisis and nobody, so far, has a


workable solution. In debt-ridden Italy, support for the Prime


Minister is fracturing. Fellow eurozone countries want to see the


back of Silvio Berlusconi. There was some action. In Athens, the


focus of last week's market panic, a former European central banker


will now lead a government committed to bringing down Greece's


massive debts. In Germany, Angela Merkel said she has focused on one


goal. To stabilise the eurozone in its current form, she insisted. How,


though? Today, even France came under increasing pressure from the


financial markets. This is the biggest crisis in Europe since


World War II, and no one knows In the current uncertainty


surrounding the eurozone, the idea of a two-tier Europe has returned


with a vengeance. One EU official said France and Germany had been


talking about it for months. What could it mean?


Forget the sticking-plaster bail- outs, the slice by slice austerity


programmes, the ultimate solution, say the more ardent supporters of


the European dream, is tighter, political union. For months, the


French and German governments have discussed closer collaboration on


spending and taxation. It is possible, even desirable, said the


French foreign ministry tonight, to go even further with integration.


And that is exactly what the financial markets want to hear. In


recent months, their relations have already been placed under enormous


strain by the financial and political upheaval. This morning,


the governments of Germany and France denied categorically there


are any plans to break up the eurozone. But in the end, maybe it


will prove too chaotic, even dangerous to continue with the


weaker states on board. Why else would they meet last week to


confront the possible departure of Greece? In that sense, at least in


private, discussions have surely been had on how many can be


incorporated in this new look eurozone of the future.


Joining me from central London to discuss that, and the other issues


of the day, is Mats Persson from the OpenEurope organisation, which


is arguing for radical reform of the EU. How far do you think that


EU leaders, France and Germany, could go down this road? The road


of further integration or a break- up? A two-tier Europe, breaking up


the inner core of the eurozone. far they can go, it is very


difficult to say. I think there is a choice now and in one sense, it


has been inherent in the very construction of the eurozone from


the very beginning. That either you go for further integration, you


pool debts and take more economic decisions in common, or you look to


revise the membership of the euro. I think that is the choice that has


always been there but is now coming to the fore in a quite dramatic


fashion. I think France and Germany are looking at this issue of a core


Europe, a court eurozone, and have been. Particularly Germany has been


looking at potential ways to cut off Greece. Going from that point


too seriously considering an contemplating a break-up of the


eurozone is a massive step and I don't think we are there yet.


sounds like it is something you would welcome. Jose Manuel Barroso,


the European Union Commission President, says, please don't do


this, because you can't have bits of Europe that are in and bits that


are out, you need prosperity across the EU and you can't do it like


this. He has got a point, hasn't he? He has a point and I think the


break-up of the eurozone would be very painful and extremely costly


for everyone involved. The world economy included. I think that is


something that is very painful. In one sense... There are two issues,


the break-up of the euro itself, which is, in a worse case scenario


of, an option on the table. Already you have the emergence of a two


tear Europe, because the ones outside the eurozone will be left


in a second tier Europe, whereas those that are inside will probably


need to push ahead with further integration. In one sense you


already have a two-tier Europe, no matter what happens in the eurozone.


Some people are saying that Greece should leave but once you start


saying that, there is the contagion. Greece may be pushed out and who


next? Italy, even France? There is -- the risk of contagion, if Greece


was to default and leave the eurozone, is massive. There are


ways to do that in an orderly manner but it is very unpredictable.


It would be uncharted territory if Greece was to leave. The risk of


contagion is definitely there. And we don't know what is going to


happen. We have to be real about the political capital, the massive


political efforts that have to be put into this by EU leaders. The


question is, can you put Greece on permanent life-support, because


Thank you very much. We are going to go to Brussels and talk to Karel


Lannoo, chief executive of the Centre for European Policy Studies.


First of all, I want to ask you about the revised rates, down to


0.5%. That will make it even harder for Europe to try to solve its debt


crisis. Yes, we are in a bit of a vicious circle. It is a downwards


vicious circle because prospects are always getting revised


downwards as a result of the systemic crisis which is around us.


What does it mean? There has even been mentioned that we might face a


new recession in Europe. This thing has been there since about 2008,


that we could have been in a form of a double-dip. We overcame 2009


thanks to massive government support, at least in a good group


of countries. That effect seems to be over and on top of that, there


is massive uncertainty about the impact of the crisis in not only


Greece but also other European countries and most importantly,


Italy. Can you tell us what you believed France and Germany might


be considering? You hear conflicting things, Angela Merkel


says she wants to keep the eurozone as a whole, there is talk of Greece


being told it can't stay, what is your feeling about the two-tier


Europe? The basically, we have approached this a bit from the


wrong angle. It is dictated far too much by two countries which are


saying to the rest of Europe, what should be done. It is essentially a


Germany dictating, as a big creditor country, what the debtor


countries have to do. It is not a good solution for Europe. What is


lacking is that we need do have a much more fundamental debate of


what we want to achieve. To some extent we are getting closer to a


more federal model, but to another extent, we are getting a more


distorted model. I think where one country dictates what it wants from


the other, without accepting any changes on its own. Thank you very


Julius Malema, the controversial leader of the ANC's youth wing, is


the enfant terrible of South African politics. And now the


ruling ANC has moved decisively to clip his wings. It has suspended


him from the party for five years after a disciplinary committee


found him guilty of reckless, divisive and disruptive misconduct.


However, Julius Malema is not without his supporters, both


amongst South Africa's disaffected youth as well as established


figures like Winnie Mandela. He says he will appeal the decision.


Andrew Harding reports from Johannesburg.


To his supporters, he is juju, a brash populist who speaks up for


South Africa's poor and forgotten. For the ruling party, the ANC,


Julia Snell Emma has become an embarrassment and a serious threat


-- Julius Malema. He was scaring away foreign investors and he


turned on his former ally, President Zuma. Today, a


disciplinary committee found him guilty of misconduct, the charges


ranging from insulting the president to threatening


neighbouring Botswana. The acts of misconduct, for which the


respondent has been found guilty, are very serious and have damage


the integrity of the ANC and South Africa's international reputation.


The respondent's membership is suspended for a period of five


years. Julius Malema has the right to appeal but as things stand, one


of Africa's most divisive and controversial politicians has just


been thrown into the milk than this. -- the wilderness. The immediate


concern is how his many supporters will react. When it this


disciplinary process started, members of the ANC's Youth League


ran riot outside the party's headquarters, but not today. How do


you feel about today's verdict? Today's verdict is just days


Geraint tactic by rabbits. wouldn't say it is embarrassment


per se, but I think the things he says are an embarrassment. You


cannot be fighting for the poor and living a lavish lifestyle. South


Africa remains one of the world's most unequal societies. The ANC may


be hoping that the Malema at era is over. He is also being investigated


for alleged corruption. The issues he championed and contradictions he


embodies have not gone away. To talk some more about the


implications of this decision, we're joined from Johannesbug by


Keith Khoza, who is a spokesperson This is not a young man who is


going to go away quietly. He says he will appeal. Trouble ahead for


the ANC? Yes, he has indicated in one of the meetings that he


addressed that he is going to appeal the decision. We will allow


the process to go through and see what the outcome will be. That will


determine whether the suspension is appealed or it is reversed. If you


had not clipped his wings, the future political survival of


President Jacob Zuma or was at stake? I would not say that.


Perhaps it is important to understand the role of the ANC when


it comes to elective politics within the party. The Youth League


represents, together with the Women's League and veterans Leek,


Warley 10% of the delegates. Dacruz -- the veterans League, Ali 10% of


delegates. I do not think it was necessarily a threat to President


Jacob Zuma, but it was threatening to cause ructions. Julius Malema or


very in touch with many people in South Africa, particularly the


young. He spoke of economic apartheid. You may have shot the


messenger but what about his message, you will have to listen,


want you? Yes. Some of the things he has raised were not new in the


ANC. The only thing not in the policy of the ANC was the issue of


nationalisation. In terms of the transformation of the economy and


the need for state intervention, that has always been an issue


concerning the ANC. We are particularly concerned about youth


unemployment. South Africa has an increasing number of young people


in the country who still need to get employment.


Thank you for joining me. Some of the day's other news. I senior US


official has said that some Arab leaders have offered the Syrian


President safe haven as a way of ending violence in the country.


Syrian activists say and eight year-old girl was among people


killed in the city of Homs. The US Secretary of State said almost all


Arab leaders believe that President Busheher Al Asada will go. --


Bashar Al-Assad. Rescuers are still trying to reach people trapped in


an earthquake in Turkey. A number of buildings, including a hotel,


collapsed. Al-Qaeda or in North Africa is claiming it has got hold


of some of the weapons that belonged to Colonel Gaddafi's


forces. There is no indication of the type or quality of the weapons.


There has been concerned that some of the Arsenal could end up in the


hands of Al-Qaeda. The chairman of News International,


James Murdoch, has denied knowing there was evidence that illegal


phone hacking was widespread at the now closed News of the World. He


was making his second appearance before a parliamentary committee in


London after a former News International executives


contradicted evidence he had given in the summer.


First the father, now the sun. Back in the parliamentary Doc for his


role in the phone hacking scandal. James Murdoch fidgeted nervously.


Perhaps remembering the last 20 faced this committee, when his dad


got a face full of form. All that was thrown at this time were


questions, allegations and scorn. Mr Mark, you must be the first


Mafia boss in history who did not know he was running a criminal


enterprise. -- Mr Murat. Mr Watson, I think that is inappropriate.


the day the News of the World closed, its journalist cheered its


editor. But today James Murdoch recruit -- accused Colin Myler and


Tom crone of knowing what was happening at the paper but not


telling Parliament or him. There is a lot of supposition. What never


happened his Tom Crone and Colin Myler Showunmi the relevant


evidence, explaining it to me and its relevance. - showing me. Were


talking about widespread criminality. That could have come


to light when James Murdoch agreed to pay croc -- Gordon Taylor around


�700,000 after his form was attacked by the News of the World.


Murdoch claimed not to have seen the email transcript of packed


phone-calls mark for the chief reporter. The memo which stated it


was fatal to the case of the paper. And the advice from a barrister


which warned that News of the World had a culture of illegal


information access. James Murdoch's former executives say he did at


least know about the you know. He insisted they are wrong. Tom crone


has accused James Murdoch of giving evidence that was at best


disingenuous. -- Tom Crone. MPs must reach a verdict of who is


telling the truth. One of the most distinctive


creatures on earth, the black rhino, has disappeared from West Africa at.


That is according to the so-called red list of endangered species can


-- compiled by a leading conservation group. It says a


quarter of the mammals in the world are at risk of extinction. This is


conservation at work in Kenya. A black rhino been caught and


relocated. Overall, numbers have been rising in the east and


southern Africa, but for up to sub- species the picture has been


different. -- two. The black rhino is now classified as extinct,


largely because of poaching. Most governments have signed a treaty


which Government species like the rhino. There is a large black


market. Organised crime get involved in this very valuable


commodity. In Asia, another species, the Javan rhino, is down to a small


population. Scientists have contributed to the latest global


assessment which found 25% of mammals at risk of extinction. Five


out of eight species of tuner are threatened or near threatened.


Amphibians are one of the most threatened groups. Knowing where


the threat life is key to Troy and up conservation strategies. We are


now at the point were our only hope to conserve the Earth in a


reasonably healthy state, he is to preserve as much a natural habitat


as we possibly can. That is a task that requires immediate


international action. The number of species assessed is growing all the


time. It is not just about monitoring those under threat.


There are success stories, too. One of those is this horse in Asia.


There are no more than 300 back in the wild. Despite progress, the


list of plants and animals in trouble is getting longer.


More than six decades ago the Magnum photographic agency was


established by renowned French photographer Henri Cartier-Bresson.


Ever since then photographers attached to the agency have


captured some of the most striking and instantly recognisable images


of our times. Now the agency has released a collection of contact


sheets, the sequence of shots that captured the moments before and


after those pictures were taken. Joining me from Cardiff is Magnum


photographer David Heron. Tell us more about contact sheets and why


they're so important? A contact sheet is the visual way of seeing


what a photographer shot if they are shooting film. You can see each


individual picture, very small, but you can see it in the sequence it


was shot. This allows a couple of things. Somebody can tell a thought


process, a work process. If you're looking at your own contact sheet,


you can go through it with a magnifying glass to see which of


the pictures you feel most links to your memory of what you were seeing.


We are looking at a contact sheet as you speak. Tell us about some of


the pictures that appear? What are your favourite once? I think we


have got one of the Beatles. presume it is the one that was shot


in Abbey Road studios. I was working on the film with the


Beatles. Although most of the film was rather bizarrely shot on a


moving train, obviously a lot of the music side of the film, the


recording, was done in Abbey Road studios. The particular picture is


with the Beatles around the piano. If you are shooting something like


a group of four, obviously you want to get all four of them in one


picture where you can see all of the faces. With them, it was very


difficult to do. They very rarely actually got together as a foursome,


of that than in Swete up pictures. They all seemed engrossed in what


they're doing. Not post. Some of the more posed once our very iconic


images. Che Guevara, for instance? Yes, I that was taken by another


photographer went to Cuba. He had followed Che Guevara around. That


would have been shot in his office, I guess. I suspect he was sitting


behind a desk. The photographer would have been talking to him and


taking the sequence of pictures. know it is a bit of a silly


question, but what does make a good photograph? Basically it is a


picture which relates to your memory of the event. The closer it


is your memory, the better the picture. The better it is for you


and you hope, other people. Thank you indeed. Our main news.


The European Union has cut back its growth forecast for the Eurozone


down to half of 1%. This comes amid fears that Italy will be the next


country to need emergency loans. In Greece, the new Prime Minister,


Lucas Papademos, will try to secure the next instalment of


international loans. That's all from the programme. Next, the


Hello. Brighter skies on the way for the weekend. One till then, the


cloud hangs on for one more day. -- until. Sunshine hard to come by. As


one weather front dies, Moore headed towards us courtesy of this.


From the cloud the have to begin the day with, it will be damp and


drizzly and places. Sunshine in western Scotland. Still quite a


damp and drizzly in north-east England in the afternoon. For all


of us during the day, the wind will pick up. Do not expect much in the


way of sunshine. 15 degrees in London. Strengthening wind all the


while. A band of rain working steadily across south-west England,


pushing into sudden and westerly parts of Wales. For Northern


Ireland, the band of rain, through. Wet and windy weather to come. In


the north-west of Scotland, sunshine. Cloud in the east. He the


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