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This is BBC World News Today with me, Zeinab Badawi.

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As if things were not bad enough in the eurozone, now the EU warns of a

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new recession as it drastically cuts its growth forecast for next

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year, making it even harder to escape its debt crisis. Please do

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not shoot the messenger, nor the forecaster. I am looking forward to

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the day when I can again bring you some good news.

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Greece's new prime minister says he wants to stay in the eurozone, but

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France and Germany are reportedly contemplating a two-tier Europe.

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A heavy punishment for the ANC youth wing leader. Branded divisive

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and reckless, Julius Malema is suspended for five years.

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Also coming up in the programme: The animals on the brink of

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extinction - the disappearing black rhino is one of the world's most

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endangered species. A conservation groups says a quarter of mammals

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are under threat. And a new take on some of the

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world's most iconic images - we explore the process behind finding

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Hello and welcome. Uncertainty over the future of Europe has increased.

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Not only is the high level of sovereign debt in some countries

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dragging the eurozone down, low growth forecasts for next year are

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proving disruptive for both creditor and debtor nations. The EU

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Economic Commissioner, Olli Rehn, has said predictions for growth in

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the eurozone have been revised, from 1.8% to just half a percentage

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point. This comes amid reports and rumours that France and Germany are

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contemplating changes to the eurozone that would result in a

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two-tier Europe. Matthew Price has more.

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We didn't have to travel far this afternoon to find concern, anxiety

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about what is happening in Europe. I am in the middle of the crisis, I

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guess, and I am worried about my salary, my mortgage. Further along

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the road, to the self-styled heart of Europe, the commission. And

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inside today, the top Euro official here. I am looking forward to the

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day when I can again bring you some good news. Not today, though, with

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his latest forecast for the EU's economy. This forecast is in fact

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the last wake-up call. The recovery in and the European Union has now

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come to a standstill and there is a risk of a new recession. That

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should strike fear into the heart of all of us. It had been hoped

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that economic growth would help Europe recover from its debt crisis.

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Now that is no longer a solution. The heart of old Brussels gleams

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with the memory of more prosperous times. But this is a Continent

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desperately short of ideas on how to emerge from its current economic

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problems. With no growth and a deepening debt crisis, politicians

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can't see a way forward. The strains are now ready beginning to

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show within the eurozone. Some countries argue there needs to be

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ever deeper integration to make sure this can never happen again.

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Others say the euro cannot survive in its present form. There is only

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one certainty: this is a full-blown crisis and nobody, so far, has a

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workable solution. In debt-ridden Italy, support for the Prime

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Minister is fracturing. Fellow eurozone countries want to see the

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back of Silvio Berlusconi. There was some action. In Athens, the

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focus of last week's market panic, a former European central banker

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will now lead a government committed to bringing down Greece's

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massive debts. In Germany, Angela Merkel said she has focused on one

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goal. To stabilise the eurozone in its current form, she insisted. How,

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though? Today, even France came under increasing pressure from the

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financial markets. This is the biggest crisis in Europe since

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World War II, and no one knows In the current uncertainty

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surrounding the eurozone, the idea of a two-tier Europe has returned

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with a vengeance. One EU official said France and Germany had been

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talking about it for months. What could it mean?

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Forget the sticking-plaster bail- outs, the slice by slice austerity

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programmes, the ultimate solution, say the more ardent supporters of

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the European dream, is tighter, political union. For months, the

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French and German governments have discussed closer collaboration on

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spending and taxation. It is possible, even desirable, said the

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French foreign ministry tonight, to go even further with integration.

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And that is exactly what the financial markets want to hear. In

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recent months, their relations have already been placed under enormous

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strain by the financial and political upheaval. This morning,

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the governments of Germany and France denied categorically there

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are any plans to break up the eurozone. But in the end, maybe it

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will prove too chaotic, even dangerous to continue with the

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weaker states on board. Why else would they meet last week to

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confront the possible departure of Greece? In that sense, at least in

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private, discussions have surely been had on how many can be

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incorporated in this new look eurozone of the future.

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Joining me from central London to discuss that, and the other issues

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of the day, is Mats Persson from the OpenEurope organisation, which

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is arguing for radical reform of the EU. How far do you think that

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EU leaders, France and Germany, could go down this road? The road

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of further integration or a break- up? A two-tier Europe, breaking up

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the inner core of the eurozone. far they can go, it is very

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difficult to say. I think there is a choice now and in one sense, it

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has been inherent in the very construction of the eurozone from

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the very beginning. That either you go for further integration, you

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pool debts and take more economic decisions in common, or you look to

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revise the membership of the euro. I think that is the choice that has

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always been there but is now coming to the fore in a quite dramatic

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fashion. I think France and Germany are looking at this issue of a core

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Europe, a court eurozone, and have been. Particularly Germany has been

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looking at potential ways to cut off Greece. Going from that point

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too seriously considering an contemplating a break-up of the

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eurozone is a massive step and I don't think we are there yet.

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sounds like it is something you would welcome. Jose Manuel Barroso,

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the European Union Commission President, says, please don't do

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this, because you can't have bits of Europe that are in and bits that

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are out, you need prosperity across the EU and you can't do it like

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this. He has got a point, hasn't he? He has a point and I think the

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break-up of the eurozone would be very painful and extremely costly

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for everyone involved. The world economy included. I think that is

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something that is very painful. In one sense... There are two issues,

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the break-up of the euro itself, which is, in a worse case scenario

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of, an option on the table. Already you have the emergence of a two

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tear Europe, because the ones outside the eurozone will be left

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in a second tier Europe, whereas those that are inside will probably

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need to push ahead with further integration. In one sense you

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already have a two-tier Europe, no matter what happens in the eurozone.

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Some people are saying that Greece should leave but once you start

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saying that, there is the contagion. Greece may be pushed out and who

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next? Italy, even France? There is -- the risk of contagion, if Greece

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was to default and leave the eurozone, is massive. There are

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ways to do that in an orderly manner but it is very unpredictable.

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It would be uncharted territory if Greece was to leave. The risk of

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contagion is definitely there. And we don't know what is going to

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happen. We have to be real about the political capital, the massive

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political efforts that have to be put into this by EU leaders. The

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question is, can you put Greece on permanent life-support, because

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Thank you very much. We are going to go to Brussels and talk to Karel

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Lannoo, chief executive of the Centre for European Policy Studies.

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First of all, I want to ask you about the revised rates, down to

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0.5%. That will make it even harder for Europe to try to solve its debt

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crisis. Yes, we are in a bit of a vicious circle. It is a downwards

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vicious circle because prospects are always getting revised

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downwards as a result of the systemic crisis which is around us.

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What does it mean? There has even been mentioned that we might face a

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new recession in Europe. This thing has been there since about 2008,

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that we could have been in a form of a double-dip. We overcame 2009

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thanks to massive government support, at least in a good group

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of countries. That effect seems to be over and on top of that, there

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is massive uncertainty about the impact of the crisis in not only

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Greece but also other European countries and most importantly,

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Italy. Can you tell us what you believed France and Germany might

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be considering? You hear conflicting things, Angela Merkel

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says she wants to keep the eurozone as a whole, there is talk of Greece

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being told it can't stay, what is your feeling about the two-tier

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Europe? The basically, we have approached this a bit from the

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wrong angle. It is dictated far too much by two countries which are

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saying to the rest of Europe, what should be done. It is essentially a

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Germany dictating, as a big creditor country, what the debtor

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countries have to do. It is not a good solution for Europe. What is

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lacking is that we need do have a much more fundamental debate of

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what we want to achieve. To some extent we are getting closer to a

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more federal model, but to another extent, we are getting a more

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distorted model. I think where one country dictates what it wants from

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the other, without accepting any changes on its own. Thank you very

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Julius Malema, the controversial leader of the ANC's youth wing, is

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the enfant terrible of South African politics. And now the

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ruling ANC has moved decisively to clip his wings. It has suspended

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him from the party for five years after a disciplinary committee

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found him guilty of reckless, divisive and disruptive misconduct.

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However, Julius Malema is not without his supporters, both

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amongst South Africa's disaffected youth as well as established

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figures like Winnie Mandela. He says he will appeal the decision.

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Andrew Harding reports from Johannesburg.

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To his supporters, he is juju, a brash populist who speaks up for

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South Africa's poor and forgotten. For the ruling party, the ANC,

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Julia Snell Emma has become an embarrassment and a serious threat

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-- Julius Malema. He was scaring away foreign investors and he

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turned on his former ally, President Zuma. Today, a

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disciplinary committee found him guilty of misconduct, the charges

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ranging from insulting the president to threatening

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neighbouring Botswana. The acts of misconduct, for which the

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respondent has been found guilty, are very serious and have damage

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the integrity of the ANC and South Africa's international reputation.

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The respondent's membership is suspended for a period of five

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years. Julius Malema has the right to appeal but as things stand, one

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of Africa's most divisive and controversial politicians has just

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been thrown into the milk than this. -- the wilderness. The immediate

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concern is how his many supporters will react. When it this

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disciplinary process started, members of the ANC's Youth League

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ran riot outside the party's headquarters, but not today. How do

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you feel about today's verdict? Today's verdict is just days

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Geraint tactic by rabbits. wouldn't say it is embarrassment

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per se, but I think the things he says are an embarrassment. You

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cannot be fighting for the poor and living a lavish lifestyle. South

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Africa remains one of the world's most unequal societies. The ANC may

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be hoping that the Malema at era is over. He is also being investigated

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for alleged corruption. The issues he championed and contradictions he

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embodies have not gone away. To talk some more about the

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implications of this decision, we're joined from Johannesbug by

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Keith Khoza, who is a spokesperson This is not a young man who is

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going to go away quietly. He says he will appeal. Trouble ahead for

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the ANC? Yes, he has indicated in one of the meetings that he

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addressed that he is going to appeal the decision. We will allow

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the process to go through and see what the outcome will be. That will

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determine whether the suspension is appealed or it is reversed. If you

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had not clipped his wings, the future political survival of

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President Jacob Zuma or was at stake? I would not say that.

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Perhaps it is important to understand the role of the ANC when

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it comes to elective politics within the party. The Youth League

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represents, together with the Women's League and veterans Leek,

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Warley 10% of the delegates. Dacruz -- the veterans League, Ali 10% of

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delegates. I do not think it was necessarily a threat to President

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Jacob Zuma, but it was threatening to cause ructions. Julius Malema or

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very in touch with many people in South Africa, particularly the

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young. He spoke of economic apartheid. You may have shot the

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messenger but what about his message, you will have to listen,

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want you? Yes. Some of the things he has raised were not new in the

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ANC. The only thing not in the policy of the ANC was the issue of

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nationalisation. In terms of the transformation of the economy and

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the need for state intervention, that has always been an issue

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concerning the ANC. We are particularly concerned about youth

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unemployment. South Africa has an increasing number of young people

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in the country who still need to get employment.

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Thank you for joining me. Some of the day's other news. I senior US

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official has said that some Arab leaders have offered the Syrian

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President safe haven as a way of ending violence in the country.

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Syrian activists say and eight year-old girl was among people

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killed in the city of Homs. The US Secretary of State said almost all

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Arab leaders believe that President Busheher Al Asada will go. --

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Bashar Al-Assad. Rescuers are still trying to reach people trapped in

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an earthquake in Turkey. A number of buildings, including a hotel,

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collapsed. Al-Qaeda or in North Africa is claiming it has got hold

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of some of the weapons that belonged to Colonel Gaddafi's

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forces. There is no indication of the type or quality of the weapons.

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There has been concerned that some of the Arsenal could end up in the

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hands of Al-Qaeda. The chairman of News International,

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James Murdoch, has denied knowing there was evidence that illegal

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phone hacking was widespread at the now closed News of the World. He

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was making his second appearance before a parliamentary committee in

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London after a former News International executives

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contradicted evidence he had given in the summer.

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First the father, now the sun. Back in the parliamentary Doc for his

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role in the phone hacking scandal. James Murdoch fidgeted nervously.

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Perhaps remembering the last 20 faced this committee, when his dad

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got a face full of form. All that was thrown at this time were

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questions, allegations and scorn. Mr Mark, you must be the first

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Mafia boss in history who did not know he was running a criminal

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enterprise. -- Mr Murat. Mr Watson, I think that is inappropriate.

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the day the News of the World closed, its journalist cheered its

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editor. But today James Murdoch recruit -- accused Colin Myler and

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Tom crone of knowing what was happening at the paper but not

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telling Parliament or him. There is a lot of supposition. What never

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happened his Tom Crone and Colin Myler Showunmi the relevant

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evidence, explaining it to me and its relevance. - showing me. Were

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talking about widespread criminality. That could have come

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to light when James Murdoch agreed to pay croc -- Gordon Taylor around

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�700,000 after his form was attacked by the News of the World.

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Murdoch claimed not to have seen the email transcript of packed

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phone-calls mark for the chief reporter. The memo which stated it

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was fatal to the case of the paper. And the advice from a barrister

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which warned that News of the World had a culture of illegal

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information access. James Murdoch's former executives say he did at

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least know about the you know. He insisted they are wrong. Tom crone

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has accused James Murdoch of giving evidence that was at best

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disingenuous. -- Tom Crone. MPs must reach a verdict of who is

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telling the truth. One of the most distinctive

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creatures on earth, the black rhino, has disappeared from West Africa at.

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That is according to the so-called red list of endangered species can

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-- compiled by a leading conservation group. It says a

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quarter of the mammals in the world are at risk of extinction. This is

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conservation at work in Kenya. A black rhino been caught and

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relocated. Overall, numbers have been rising in the east and

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southern Africa, but for up to sub- species the picture has been

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different. -- two. The black rhino is now classified as extinct,

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largely because of poaching. Most governments have signed a treaty

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which Government species like the rhino. There is a large black

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market. Organised crime get involved in this very valuable

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commodity. In Asia, another species, the Javan rhino, is down to a small

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population. Scientists have contributed to the latest global

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assessment which found 25% of mammals at risk of extinction. Five

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out of eight species of tuner are threatened or near threatened.

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Amphibians are one of the most threatened groups. Knowing where

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the threat life is key to Troy and up conservation strategies. We are

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now at the point were our only hope to conserve the Earth in a

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reasonably healthy state, he is to preserve as much a natural habitat

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as we possibly can. That is a task that requires immediate

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international action. The number of species assessed is growing all the

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time. It is not just about monitoring those under threat.

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There are success stories, too. One of those is this horse in Asia.

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There are no more than 300 back in the wild. Despite progress, the

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list of plants and animals in trouble is getting longer.

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More than six decades ago the Magnum photographic agency was

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established by renowned French photographer Henri Cartier-Bresson.

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Ever since then photographers attached to the agency have

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captured some of the most striking and instantly recognisable images

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of our times. Now the agency has released a collection of contact

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sheets, the sequence of shots that captured the moments before and

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after those pictures were taken. Joining me from Cardiff is Magnum

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photographer David Heron. Tell us more about contact sheets and why

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they're so important? A contact sheet is the visual way of seeing

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what a photographer shot if they are shooting film. You can see each

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individual picture, very small, but you can see it in the sequence it

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was shot. This allows a couple of things. Somebody can tell a thought

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process, a work process. If you're looking at your own contact sheet,

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you can go through it with a magnifying glass to see which of

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the pictures you feel most links to your memory of what you were seeing.

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We are looking at a contact sheet as you speak. Tell us about some of

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the pictures that appear? What are your favourite once? I think we

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have got one of the Beatles. presume it is the one that was shot

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in Abbey Road studios. I was working on the film with the

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Beatles. Although most of the film was rather bizarrely shot on a

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moving train, obviously a lot of the music side of the film, the

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recording, was done in Abbey Road studios. The particular picture is

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with the Beatles around the piano. If you are shooting something like

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a group of four, obviously you want to get all four of them in one

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picture where you can see all of the faces. With them, it was very

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difficult to do. They very rarely actually got together as a foursome,

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of that than in Swete up pictures. They all seemed engrossed in what

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they're doing. Not post. Some of the more posed once our very iconic

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images. Che Guevara, for instance? Yes, I that was taken by another

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photographer went to Cuba. He had followed Che Guevara around. That

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would have been shot in his office, I guess. I suspect he was sitting

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behind a desk. The photographer would have been talking to him and

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taking the sequence of pictures. know it is a bit of a silly

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question, but what does make a good photograph? Basically it is a

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picture which relates to your memory of the event. The closer it

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is your memory, the better the picture. The better it is for you

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and you hope, other people. Thank you indeed. Our main news.

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The European Union has cut back its growth forecast for the Eurozone

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down to half of 1%. This comes amid fears that Italy will be the next

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country to need emergency loans. In Greece, the new Prime Minister,

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Lucas Papademos, will try to secure the next instalment of

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international loans. That's all from the programme. Next, the

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Hello. Brighter skies on the way for the weekend. One till then, the

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cloud hangs on for one more day. -- until. Sunshine hard to come by. As

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one weather front dies, Moore headed towards us courtesy of this.

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From the cloud the have to begin the day with, it will be damp and

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drizzly and places. Sunshine in western Scotland. Still quite a

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damp and drizzly in north-east England in the afternoon. For all

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of us during the day, the wind will pick up. Do not expect much in the

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way of sunshine. 15 degrees in London. Strengthening wind all the

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while. A band of rain working steadily across south-west England,

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pushing into sudden and westerly parts of Wales. For Northern

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Ireland, the band of rain, through. Wet and windy weather to come. In

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the north-west of Scotland, sunshine. Cloud in the east. He the

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