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This is BBC World News Today with me Tim Willcox. A third day of


clashes in Cairo, thousands of protesters demand an end to


military rule, as Egypt's cabinet announces it's to resign.


Here in Tahrir Square, the protests get louder and larger. They say


they're not leaving until their demands are met.


Preparing for the worst - Turkey's President talks to the BBC about


Syria and Ankara's growing prominence in the region.


In Spain, a land slide win for a new conservative government, but


with borrowing costs still rising, is it Mission Impossible?


Also coming up in the programme: Bereaved parents and a film star


speak out over the British newspaper phone hacking scandal.


Adele. And big voice, big honours, British singer, song writer Adele


sweeps to glory at the American Hello and welcome. As we come on


air, Egyptian state television is reporting that the cabinet has


submitted its resignation to the ruling military Council. At least


33 people are reported to have been killed since Saturday. That number,


though, is open to query. Hundreds have been injured. Protesters fear


the interrim military government, led by Field Marshal Mohamed


Hussein Tantawi is trying to retain its grip on power ahead of


elections planned to begin next week. Let's go live to Tahrir


Square now - and my colleague Lyse Doucet. Another sense of real


crisis is Cairo this evening. is in a very deep crisis, in a


political crisis, a constitutional crisis and a security crisis. Look


at the crowds behind me. They are getting larger by the hour. We have


spent the day here and groups of Egyptians keep coming. We've seen


medical students arriving, we've seen people from the furthest


suburbs of Cairo. I've walked through the square. People are in


groups shouting the same slogans. They want the army to step down.


They want to begin a real transition to democracy.


Has there been any movement at all from Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein


Tantawi and the supreme military Council? There have been called on


him, if I heard your question correctly, there have been acalls


on him to step down. There are even stronger callers for him to be put


on trial, if not even harsh treatment than that. They're using


the same slogan that's they used for President Mubarak, they're


using for Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi. As far as the


military is concerned, what we heard today is a senior member of


that supreme military council came to the square. That is a sign of


how things have changed and said we respect your right to protest. But


we also reserve the right to keep security, including here in the


square. But now you have a confrontation, the same people who,


before, at start of what they called their revolution said the


army and people are one, are now in confrontation. Not just with the


army, but also the police. There have been running battles with the


police through the day. Will the elections, scheduled to strt a week


today, go ahead? That is the big question. Anyone I ask about the


elections they say we're not focused on the elections. But can


you hold elections in this kind of environment? The security forces


say they're ready to keep those elections safe. Egyptians aren't


sure. There was already a movement growing, a small movement, to


boycott those elections. Don't forget this is a process that


carries across three months. Three months at a time like this, creates


the possibility of all kinds of interruptions, set backs and of


course, violence and confrontation. What the people here are saying is


that we want a real process of change. We don't want one where the


military remains in charge. Thank you very much.


Joining me from Central London is Professor Fawaz Gerges the Director


of the Middle East Centre at the London School of Economics. Where


do things move now? Do you think the military has got to come up


with something, particularly perhaps about presidential


elections to placate the crowd? think you're correct. I think the


military council has miscalculated monstrously in the last, since


February. I think they have misread the public mood. The changed


psychology in Egypt, they have played games, to postpone the


inevitable, to prolong the process of transition for as long as


possible. First it was six months, now the end of 2012. Some people


talk about the end of 2013, the presidential election in Egypt. I


think support for the military has eroded considerably among Egyptians.


I believe it's the end of the honeymoon between the Egyptian


people and the military as an institution. Unless the military


come up with a very fast and swift response to public demands you


might witness a major prolonged crisis in Egypt.


What is striking in Tahrir Square is that the same sort of people are


now amassing there. These aren't the agitators perhaps who have been


there in recent months. This is a mass turnout. It really is. I think


if we really need to contexturalise what has happened in the last few


days. This is a revolution in the making. This is not a revolution in


the making that it is progressing, it's taking on different forms,


it's dynamic. More Egyptians are terrified of the military. It's the


same slogans, same rallying cries "Tantawi must go". The military


generals must also leave with Tantawi. People now are terrified


that basically that Egypt military rulers are extension of the Mubarak


regime. Let's be blunt about it here, I mean Tantawi and the


military council have vast interests to support. The reason


why Tantawi and the council have not agreed to a very swift time


table, remember, the Egyptian military is not just a fighting


machine, it's a vast economic machine as well, between 10% and


20% basically the Egyptian economy is controlled by the Egyptian


military. You're talking about billions of dollars to be lost, Tim.


What we need to understand is that Tantawi and other Egyptian generals


are terrified about the morning after. They want to make sure that


their interests and also their careers are protected. One


transition takes -- when transition takes place. This is not just about


when the presidential election takes place. It's about maintaining


and preserving the economic and political interest of the Egyptian


military. It's a fight about authority, about turf, about


resources. It's a very, very complicated fight and that's why, I


believe, that the military leadership has monstrously


miscalculated in the last few weeks. Thank you very much for joining us.


The Turkish President, Abdullah Gul, has told the BBC that Turkey is


preparing for the worst in neighbouring Syria and admitted


that the turmoil of the Arab Spring had boosted Turkey's prominence in


the region. He was speaking to Bridget Kendal on the eve of his


state visit to Britain. Istanbul's latest tourist


attraction, an historical panorama showing the moment the Turk irk


Sultan conquered the city and launched the ot Monday empire. A


resurgent Turkey is once again a power to be rockoned with,


prominent in the Arab Spring and now trying to bring change in Syria.


The Syrian opposition has already been given sanctuary in Turkey.


This protest rally is outside the Syrian consulate. Increasingly


there's talk of possible safe havens on the border, if Turkey is


prepared fro vied security. there is intervention will have


been in Syria, there should, they have, they should have a base to


move. I believe they can only move through Turkey. Turkey is very


important in this point. In London, President Gul told me Turkey didn't


want toint veen but had a plan in case the worst -- to intervene but


had a plan in case the worst should happen. We're all prepared for the


worst scenario. What does that mean? I hope it doesn't happen.


you're not ruling out the possibility of, for example, buffer


zones, which Turkey would be involved in? We are not thinking


that, the interrogation from outside is correct. Even if there


was UN support and from the Arab League? Arab League speak with me


on Wednesday. Let's see what decision they are going to take.


Turkish leadership in the region, do you think Turkey can become the


centre of gravity for these countries? There are some who say


Turkey once was a great power in the region, the Otoman empire,


maybe it's time again for Turkey to be the centre of this part of the


world. Look, history was there of course. We are very much realistic


now, we have very much rational now. We don't have an agenda in the


region. Turkey's influence on its neighbours isn't just political,


though. It's wildly successful soap op raz have gripped Arab audiences.


The latest is a rags to riches story about the harem of Suleiman


the Magnificent. On set, it's a frantic schedule. These cultural


exports are creating fans of Turkey across the region.


We are able to attract millions and the more they know about our


traditions and cultures, they see that we are so similar to each


other. By exploring more of Turkey through the series, they feel very


connected. And Turkey being so modern is a role model. Turkey's


always argued it's a bridge between east and West. In Istanbul it


straddles two continents. This is European soil, but all the time,


boats are fer rig commuters across the water to the Asian side. Part


of its appeal is that it offers a modern Muslim democracy with


European values. When you look at the human rights record, there's a


problem. A scrum at the book fair in Istanbul, supporters of a well


known publisher, who has just been jailed, suspected of links to


illegal curdish groups. Amazingly, Turkey has more writers an


journalists in prison than either China or Iran. Some fear the trend


is worsening. This woman has had her TV show cancelled and been


publicically denounced as a traitor. She fears for her safety. The first


real tension about me started with my criticism of politics getting


more authoritarian rather than more democratic, two years ago. Turkey's


military bands play in museums these days, no longer is this a


country in the grip of military rule. The region is fragile, if


Syria were to implode next door, there could be a new role for


Turkey's armed forces. Let's look at some of the day's


other news. 32 years after the fall of the Khmer Rouge the three most


senior surviving members of the group have gone on trial. They


include Nuon Chea, known as Brother Number Two, he was the right-hand


man of the Maoist regime. The three accused face charges of genocide


and crimes against humanity. The UN weather agency says


concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere rose to another


high in 2010. Levels of carbon dioxide rose more than more than


the worst predictions of climate experts.


Growing concern over Iran's nuclear programme has prompted Britain, the


US and Canada to impose new sanctions on the country. The


restrictions include cutting links with financial institutions. Tehran


insists their nuclear ambitions are purely for peaceful purposes.


Nuon Chea will try to win a saet in db aung san Su Kyi will stand for


office. The new Prime Minister in Spain is


preparing to tell Spaniards about the depth of the economic SIS. His


Popular Party won a land slide election victory over the weekend.


Mr Rajoy is immediately under pressure from jittery markets. They


want to know how he will tackle Spain's debts, deep economic crisis


and dire unemployment rate. For more analysis, I'm joined by Santos


Palacios, a Spanish financial advisor and lecturer on economic


issues. To many this seems like Mission Impossible, is it?


really isn't. There are a number of measures that can be taken without


getting too -- to the place where Italy and Greece are, which is


essentially being forced by the European Union to take those


measures. Spain has the the third largest deficit in the eurozone.


How can he cut that and stimulate growth at the same time? This is,


this can be done with pro-growth awe tairt measures. Something that


can be done is cut the fat of the state, currently we have 17


regional governments, and provincial governments which double


or triple tasks. Direct funding will be cut. He's promise 30


billion euro cuts. He hasn't said quite how yet. He hasn't said quite


how because you have to understand during the electoral campaign


everyone was in a stage of fright. Well, you know, of course, not all


of the measures have been able to be transmitted so far. There are


measures that can be taken. A key question is will the markets give


him time? Today, looking at the response, the markets want a plan


quickly. According tots constitution I think he cannot get


a government up and running until December 21. There are measures he


can take. He can create a shadow government, which he has announced


he will do in December. That shadow Cabinet can start announcing the


intention to implement those measures. Are spanned yards signed


up to this? They've given him ape land slide win that's because they


didn't want the others to win. Mariano Rajoy has tried three times


before. He's not particularly charismatic. Are they prepared to


back him on this painful journey? He has received a strong mandate


with his absolute majority. The difference between Spain and other


countries in southern Europe, like Italy and gros, is that we have


shown a level of ma -- and Greece, Is that we have shown a level of


maturity. When we had to pass before with the previous government,


we had to pass the reform to reduce the deficit and we had to pass the


pension reform, actually both parties agreed unanimously to pass


those. There's a level of understanding of what is needed in


the country, which I think is going to help us through this. To take


the medicine like the Irish have. A public inquiry into British media


standards has been hearing evidence from victims of press in true Asian


including Hugh Grant and the parents of murdered teenager et


Milly Dowler. Milly's mother said when she realised messages on her


firm had been deleted, she thought her daughter had been alive. In


fact, they were being deleted by an employee of the News of the World.


The report contains flash photography. They suffered the


devastating pain of losing a blood daughter only to find their anguish


was confounded by the gross intrusions of tabloid journalists.


Bob and Sally Dowler came to the enquiry to describe how the News of


the World had invaded their lives. They took the witness stand


together. They recalled their daughter Emily, they told how one


day after her disappearance they had gone in private, they thought,


to retrace her final steps. But there was a photographer from the


News of the World lurking nearby and a picture of them appeared in


Sunday's edition. I remember seeing it and I was really cross because


we did not see anyone. They had taken the picture with a telephoto


lens. How on earth did they know we were doing that walk on that day?


It felt like an intrusion into a really private moment. And there


was the hacking of Milly's telephone, again by the News of the


World. Messages were deleted from had previously fought voicemail box


which meant Sally Dowler could get through to the voicemail and it


gave her hope. We were sitting in reception and I rang her telephone


and it clicked through on to her voice mail, so I heard her voice.


It was like, she has picked up her voicemail, she is alive, and it was


then. Tonight the former News of the World investigator denied


deleting Milly Dowler's voicemail messages. In a statement his


solicitor said he expressed sincere sympathy for the Berra family and


confirms he did not delete calls and had no reason to do so. Then


came a very public figure full of passionate complaint, the actor


Hugh Grant. His principal targets were the Daily Mail and the Mail on


Sunday. He said the Mail on Sunday had once falsely accused him of


having an affair with a women in Los Angeles. How, he wondered, had


they come across the story? I would love to hear what the Daily Mail or


the Sunday Mail's explanation was if it was not phone hacking.


Recently, Mr Grant has fathered at baby with a former girlfriend. They


tried to keep the birth secret, it worked until he went to visit her


in hospital. The day after that the phone calls started from the Daily


Mail saying, we know about the baby, we know about you are visiting and


we know what name she checked under and we are going to write this


story. His concluding point is that the press is the only media


industry in Britain regulated by itself and that had not worked for


more than 20 years. The Mail on Sunday says it utterly refutes Mr


Grant's suggestion that it had obtained the story by phone hacking.


It says his claims are mendacious smears driven by his hatred of the


media. The witness testimony will continue and it is expected to last


into the new year and will include accounts by newspaper editors and


executives. The global response to HIV and Aids


has forced the epidemic into decline, that's the verdict of a


new report by UNAIDS. The study found that last year 34 million


people were living with HIV. The annual number of new infections has


been reduced by 21% since the epidemic was at its peak in 1997.


That means HIV infections are at their lowest level in 14 years. But


sub-Saharan Africa remains a cause for sued concerned. South Africa


alone has more than 5.5 million people living with HIV, more than


any other country. One group working to cut down on the spread


of Aids is Safe Point and I am joined by Marc Koska who has


invented a single used syringe. Syringes used repeatedly in the


developed world, what are some of the worst scenarios you have


experienced? I had visited slums and clinics and hospitals and


seemed 50 patients and there is only one syringe in the clinic, so


you can draw your own conclusions. Where they cleaned in a perfunctory


way in between or not? No, just one after the other being used to


deliver medicine. We have undercover footage to prove this.


Also on a grand scale you have got countries such as Ethiopia with 82


million people and their only procure at 60 million syringes a


year, well below what they need. The solution is to cut-off that


route to the opportunity to re-use as the Rangers. This is the one I


invented. It is made on existing equipment and made for the same


price, used in the same way. After use if someone tries to re-use it


it locks and breaks and you cannot use it again. Our they are not


expensive? They are exactly the same prize and we manufacture them


through a licensing system and we have 13 factories around the world.


How much of the problem is to do with ignorance or the blind faith


that people put into doctors and nurses who must be trained?


enormously. It is an enormous amount. You often hear the


expression that the doctor is second to God. Whatever the doctor


prescribes or gives them, they will accept. That is something that Safe


Point is trying to undo. We are doing large information campaigns


to bring awareness, a warning to the public that they have to pay


attention when receiving medical health care. You produce billions


of the syringes. 3 billion today. Are they been taken up? Are you


dealing with agencies to get them to use them? UNICEF is one of our


biggest customers on the immunisation side, but also there


is the other side which is the curative market, which is much more


fragmented and it is a lot harder. There are not agencies dealing in


this that would be our natural customers. We have to use our


manufacturing base to use their normal distribution lies to get


that out to the customers. Marc Koska, thank you very much.


It is one of the biggest nights in the American music business ahead


of the Grammys with a stellar line- up. One of the top winners this


year was Adele who won three of perm four nominations at the


American Music Awards ceremony in Los Angeles. Other big winners were


tailor a swift and the rapper Nicki She is the girl from north London


at making a big noise around the world. Adele swept to glory at the


American Music Awards with prizes including Best Female Pop artist


and best album. Adele. But she was unable to accept the honours


herself after recent throat surgery. Also scoring a hat-trick of awards


was Taylor's wife. It was the golden girl of country music we


took the most coveted award of the night, artist of the year, beating


Lady Gaga. She went home empty- handed. Oh, my gosh. Thank you to


the fans, please never change. I cannot believe this is happening to


me. This is so crazy. The show was opened with an explosive


performance from rapper Nicki Minaj, another of the night's big winners.


She's good two awards, best artist and best album. It was a very good


night for a marine five. The audience left with a big smile on


their faces. Let's take you back live to Cairo


where tens of thousands of people are cramming into the main square


which we had seen earlier in the year with similar numbers. Now


there is real anger about the slow pace of reform and also anger at


the military, formerly allies of this revolution. The Egyptian


ruling military council is yet to accept the resignation tendered by


the cabinet on Sunday, but many more people are gathering in


central Cairo this evening, calling for radical change. That is it from


the programme. Coming up, the Many of us had a grey day on Monday,


a lot of that mist and fog reforming overnight in south-


eastern England, but there is also some rain. It is all tied in with


his weather front here and behind it a ridge of high pressure


building in, bringing with it some clearer skies later on in the night


to Northern Ireland and western Scotland. The mist and fog in the


south-east should lift in the morning, but we are stuck with a


lot of cloud. Still potentially some light rain across northern


England and down into the Midlands will stop in the south-east corner


it is dry and a little bit misty. Temperatures in London are at 13.


But there is a chance later on in the afternoon that we could see


some breaks in the cloud in the south-west of England. There is the


possibility of some brighter spells in the afternoon. The best sunshine


tomorrow afternoon is across Northern Ireland. A lovely day, a


different date in store. A lot of Scotland is still enjoying the


sunshine in the afternoon, but there is thicker cloud moving into


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