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This is BBC World News today with me, Tim Willcox.

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The Syrian city of Homs is pounded for the 4th day in a row. Meanwhile,

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Russia, which vetoed last weekend's Security Council resolution, is

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treated to a hero's welcome in Damascus. The Syrian president

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assured me that he is completely in support of stopping violence

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wherever it comes from. Clashes in Athens - amid another

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general strike as the Greek government scrambles to thrash out

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even tougher austerity plans. The worst lead poisoning epidemic

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in history. Nigerian children risk dying in their thousands, according

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to Human Rights Watch. Also coming up: The cheerleader

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responsible for the right's resurgence in France. Vive la

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republic, vive la France! A repeat of the Le Pen affect but this time,

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it is Marine, rather than Jean- Marie who is leading the calls.

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And great expectations fulfilled as Britain and the world celebrates

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the 200th anniversary of the Hello and welcome. Russia's Foreign

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Minister, Sergei Lavrov, arrived in Damascus today to hero's welcome.

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President Bashar al-Assad told him that he was completely committed to

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the task of stopping the violence, regardless of where it came from.

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180 kilometres away in the city of Homs, men, women and children were

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being killed by government forces. Jim Muir reports from Beirut.

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As the Russian minister was flying into Damascus looking for a

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political solution, no sign of a respite for the people of Homs,

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after days of pounding and hundreds of deaths. The government has

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pledged to keep up its drive until what it calls the last terrorist is

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finished off. Regime supporters turned out in droves to welcome

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Sergei Lavrov and thank him for the veto which saved Syria from facing

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a united international community. He was said to be carrying concrete

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proposals although they have not been announced. In general, the

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Russians want President Assad to speed up reforms he has been

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preparing, but which the opposition say are too little far too late.

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Both sides seemed willing to look Keane and positive. TRANSLATION:

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The Syrian President assured me that he is completely in support of

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stopping the violence, wherever it comes from. But the regime's

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definition of stopping violence includes crushing any armed

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resistance. Countries which supported the veto resolutions are

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not waiting for the Russians to pull a rabbit from a hat. France

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joined Britain, other European countries and the US in pulling

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their ambassadors out of Damascus. The Gulf countries, led by Saudi

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Arabia, did the same and expelled Syrian ambassadors. And Turkey,

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Syria's powerful neighbour to the north, was scathing about the veto

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and the Syrian leadership. Scots to TRANSLATION: Syria is a test of

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sincerity for the world. Those turning a blind eye to what is

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going on and those not reacting the way they should will suffer the

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consequences, as if they were fuelling the bloodshed themselves.

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The process at the United Nations was a fiasco for the civilised

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world. Turkey is supporting the American

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idea of throwing more support behind the Syrian opposition. Will

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that mean backing fighters like these from the Free Syrian Army in

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Homs? The regime cause them terrace. It has vowed to wipe them out. They

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say they are trying to protect civilians against heavy odds.

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TRANSLATION: We are the Free Syrian Army, the army of Assad the dock

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were here in this building. They are outside checkpoints and outside

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the hospital. We are here to respond and defend the local

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residents from Assad's snipers. the Russians have reached agreement

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with Assad behind the scenes of love they have failed to, the

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result will be felt here first and foremost in Homs where people are

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dying every day. To hear first-hand account of the

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bombing campaign in Homs, we can speak to Abu Abdo, a Homs resident

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and activist. What is the situation there tonight? Conditions here in

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the neighbourhood are quite miserable with a shortage of

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medical relief and supplies. We have a shortage of food, especially

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essentials like bread. Most places have been bombed violently by Assad

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forces which used all types of heavy weapons light tanks and

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mortars and shelling by rockets. Unfortunately, as that forces

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invaded the area also with tanks and all army vehicle types. They

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are shooting everything and bombing houses. We have so many burned

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houses, so many places that have been completely destroyed. Is the

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shelling continuing 24 hours a day? The shelling by rockets it starts

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at 3am in the morning. At 2pm it stopped a little bit. Then the army

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got into the city with another type of shelling by tanks. They are

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shooting everything and there are snipers everywhere so we cannot

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pull people from the street and we cannot reach people in order to

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help them. Thank you very much. Let's now go to Washington and

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speak to Professor Marc Lynch, an associate professor of political

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science and an international director of Middle East Studies at

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George Washington University. The UN route is blocked by stalemate,

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where do things go from here? think that what happened at the UN

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makes it extremely difficult to envision a political transition

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plan right now and I am really quite alarmed that we are going to

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be seeing the growth of this kind of armed conflict, pressure to try

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and on the opposition and effort by the United States and its allies,

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to try and build this through the friends of Syria group, different

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kinds of international pressure on Assad to step down and make an

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agreement. But I have to say, right now, the prospects of such an

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agreement are looking very dim. much opposition -- optimism de

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place with the Russian initiative? Almost none. I think there are very

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few people who find this to be a credible route right now. The

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Russian veto at the United Nations was, I think, really harsh hit to

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their credibility on the Syria file. I think it will be a long time

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before and on trusts them or trusts their intentions. My best guess

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about the Russian initiative is that they will try and find ways to

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draw the opposition in a dialogue which does not go anywhere, by time,

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stall, divide the international community and hopefully it will not

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work. The international thinking is this is not another Libyan

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situation but what to make of reports that there may be some kind

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of presidential finding from the National Security Council, may be

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thinking about covert the arming members of the Free Syrian Army?

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Whether the United States does ARM be Free Syrian Army, I suspect we

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will see more weapons flowing in as we get into an open civil war. I am

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very leery of this because the fragmented nature of the Free

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Syrian Army and the Syrian opposition. There is no unified

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leadership. We do not know what those weapons will be going towards

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and the more that it goes into an open civil war situation again, the

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less chance that there will be for any kind of soft landing or

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peaceful transition. I expect to see it but I find it very worrying.

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Thank you. Wigan's we can speak now to Sinan

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Ulgen is from the Carnegie Institute. He is a former Turkish

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diplomat as well. Is turkey potentially the key player in all

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of this? It already hosts the Syrian National Council. Do you

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think turkey will step up and provide some sort of buffer zone

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here? Certainly, Turkey is set to be a potential player here. However,

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there is deep dismay in Ankara about the outcome of the UN

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Security Council initiative and therefore today, as we speak, the

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overriding concern of the Turkish policy makers is really the

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inclusion of Syria. And a protracted civil war in that

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country. Turkey is going to be the state that is going to have to deal

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with the repercussions of that sort of protracted civil war and

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therefore, there is serious thinking in Ankara about how to

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manage the situation which will implicate Turkey in a major way.

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But Turkey, which tried so hard to build up relations with Syria in

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the past two years, has what, nailed its colours firmly to the

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mast of regime change there? Absolutely. That is quite a radical

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departure from traditional Turkish policy. In this particular instance,

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despite the reproach month which happened to be in -- between

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Damascus and Ankara, Damascus decided to burn bridges. It has

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given support. From that perspective, it is a clear

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departure from a policy which until now has made a point of not

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supporting opposition in neighbouring countries. From that

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perspective, Ankara is giving a strong signal to Damascus that...

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Very briefly, on humanitarian grounds, what leverage

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diplomatically do you think Turkey could wield? Turkey has a

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geographical advantage and it is already leveraging that, in a sense

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that it is providing support to the Free Syrian Army within the Turkish

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territory, both logistical support but also humanitarian and medical

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support. Going forwards, now that the Foreign Minister will be going

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to Washington in two days time, there will be discussions about

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whether the time has come to reassess this kind of support and

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strengthen the type of support that both the US and Turkey has been

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giving to the Free Syrian Army. Thank you for joining us.

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Thousands of Greek protesters gathered outside parliament in

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Athens once again today, demonstrating against austerity

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measures which are set to get even tougher. As we came to her, Prime

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Minister Lucas Papademos and political leaders were trying to

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thrash out an agreement to free up an essential bail-out to avoid

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defaulting on its debts next month. We can go to Athens and speak to

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our correspondent there. What news of that plan? I have just spoken to

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the Prime Minister's office who told me that the meeting between

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the Prime Minister and the three coalition party leaders which had

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been set to tonight has now been moved to tomorrow morning. That is

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because the text on the bail-out agreement, the reforms that Greece

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will undertake in order to get the bail-out funds, has not yet been

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finalised. It is being finalised as we speak and it will then be handed

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to the three party leaders for them to read and digest and probably

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sign off on tomorrow. What we understand is that the text will

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agree that the minimum wage he will be cut by 20 %, that pensions will

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be cut by some extent and the 15,000 civil servants will be laid

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off. Some of the reforms needed in order to secure vital international

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funds. But even if there is political consensus on this, will

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the Greek people accept it? They are very unlikely to because this

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is a country which has been living with austerity for much of the last

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two years, that feels extremely squeezed by the cuts. Unemployment

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is nearing 20 %, double that for young people. It is the 5th year of

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recession and Greeks feel that they cannot take any more. The

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demonstration today was cut short by heavy rain but I think this wave

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of unrest is set to continue. Greeks say the policy of more

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austerity is stunting this country's growth and removing the

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ability to grow out of recession and is worsening situation here.

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But the Greek government looks like to do plough one because it is

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under so much pressure from international partners to reform,

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to cut here, in order to get vital rescue funds to avoid a disorderly

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default. Thank you. Some 400 children have been killed

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and many more at risk after the World's worst lead poisoning

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epidemic in northern Nigeria. That is according to Human Rights Watch.

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Based a despite warnings, dangers gold mining in the area is

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expanding. Attempts to clean up villages have stalled.

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This is one of the poorest parts of Nigeria but his mineral rich. Many

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of the 9,000 here found they lived near gold. Like other villagers,

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they worked out how to mind and process it. But they dry milling

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came at a heavy price. Deadly lead dust was released as the All was

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crushed. Inhaled and ingested by hundreds, it entered people's homes

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and their blood. This is now the most contaminated village in the

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region. 20-year-old Amina grew up there. TRANSLATION: I have six

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children. Each time one died, I was so distraught. Seven children have

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died here, if you include mind, that would make it 10. Lead levels

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here are 60 times greater than what is considered safe. In villages

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like this, 400 children have We lost an entire generation. It is

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something that is clearly tragic and should never have happened. It

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is something that the authorities at that time should have done more.

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The mortality rate among symptomatic children has dropped

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significantly in the last number of years, and the Government has had

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to clean up several villages. has been some government action,

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but there are 2,000 children that are in urgent need of treatment

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right now. Those children cannot be treated until their homes are

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cleaned up and those homes cannot be treated a Punto safer mining

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practices are implemented. -- until safer money practices. Gold is

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expected to bring in half a billion dollars a year, so it is clear why

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it is such a draw for former subsistence farmers. They are

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worried that this would be banned in North End human rights groups

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are worried that this will force mining further underground. Local

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scientists are saying another number of villagers are affected,

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all of them facing the same problem, no readily available cash to deal

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with De contamination. The race against time continues as many

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children in the north face the possibility of brain damage or

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worse with an unavoidable problem. Joining me now is a deputy

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programme director at Human Rights Watch, and the problem here is,

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families are reluctant to report this because they make much more

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money from finding gold band from subsistence farming. -- a fan from

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subsistence farming. It is not about blaming the families, it is

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about people mining gold without putting their lives in danger.

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People get more from the gold. We are calling on the Government to

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ensure there are safer mining practices so that this gold can be

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mined without affecting their lives. This is bringing despair and we are

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calling on the Nigerian government to put cash on the table to get

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these villages cleaned-up and to ensure that there are safer mining

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practices. In the villages heard these clean about Thames had been

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made, how successful have they been? -- where these clean-up

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schemes have been made. There are some places that had been cleaned

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up, but there are still many compounds that need to be cleaned

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up. These are compounds where we went to one in a village a few days

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ago and 10 children died in that compound. It is about getting this

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done in a timely fashion. Between now and June is the time to act and

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clean up the villagers, because we will have to wait for another year

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for this to happen. As we keep on waiting, children are suffering and

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dying and the contamination is everywhere. It is time to act now

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and not wait another day. The way you described this is apocalyptic,

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and epidemic, how many thousands of children are at risk year unless

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something is done? We're talking several thousand at the moment. At

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least 2,000 children are in urgent need of treatment and they cannot

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be treated until the compounds are cleaned. They need to be cleaned up

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before treatment, because if you treat the children and bring them

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back to the contaminated compound, you have to start all over again.

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There needs to be safer mining practices so that the miners can

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mind while the children can play on the ground without fear of having

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any lead in their blood. What sort of money are we talking about to

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clean up the compounds? What we have heard from a government

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sources and outside government, we are looking out at least 4 million

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US dollars to sort this out and it is something the federal government

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needs to do urgently. We are also asking for them to put in

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mechanisms so that the miners can go where they are urgently needed.

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The children need to be treated and that compounds need to be cleaned

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up and there needs to be said for mining practices. Thank you.

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10 years ago, the leader of the French far-right, Jean-Marie Le Pen,

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shocked the country and the world by winning through to the second

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round of the presidential election. He is now retired but on the of the

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leadership of his youngest daughter, his party's fortunes have gone from

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strength to strength. Less controversial and more personable,

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Marine La Pen is enjoying success in the polls. We went to find out

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why. A forlorn factory chimney, it once

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belonged to the sugar refinery in the village. A ghostly relic of an

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industrial giant that stood for 130 years. Until 2007, 79 people were

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employed here, the workers, many of them still unemployed, say they

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lost their jobs to European directives that would share the

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sugar beet quotas with new members of the European Union. TRANSLATION:

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There is an overwhelming sense of desolation, of sadness. Especially

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since the politicians that control our lives will never admit to us

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this that they made a mistake. local elections last year, 30 % of

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the people here voted for the Front National, and that is not because

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of a perceived threat to the way of life of France, this is a town with

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very few emigrants. This is about jobs and unemployment. It is about

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the economy. Vive la republic, vive la France! Marine La Pen, the new

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modernising leader of the party has shifted the focus from its narrower

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obsession with immigration towards the problems with Europe. She wants

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a return to the French franc and a robust policy of protection and

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took protect French jobs. -- protectionism and to protect French

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jobs. It is pretty effective. at the results, that is all. Look

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at the way we were 10 years ago and look at the way we are today, with

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the euro, today. That is all. Last week, Marine La Pen introduced her

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team on the campaign trail. includes a mother from the Ivory

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Coast and a civil servant with Moroccan origins. The party, purged

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of the skinheads and neo-Nazi rhetoric, is now a more palatable

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choice for the Euro-sceptic. TRANSLATION: The French are voting

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for Marine La Pen because they want a radical change and we are

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frightened of what is happening. Many of my customers feel like that.

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There is no doubt that the party is eating into President Sarkozy's

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slice of the vote. Marine La Pen's success reflects the isolation of

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many in towns like this, not just from the political elite in Paris,

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but from Brussels and Europe at large.

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He was born 200 years ago, the second child of a humble enable

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Clarke in the English coastal town of Portsmouth, but Charles Dickens

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was to become one of the most famous writers of the Victorian era

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and perhaps the greatest writer since Shakespeare. Today,

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celebrations all round the UK have marked his life and work and

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reading a ceremony at Westminster Abbey.

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The words of his characters are instantly recognisable. His books

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have never gone out of print. Charles Dickens has become a

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literary superstar. His life began in a modest terraced house close to

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Portsmouth dockyard. Today, the street outside was crowded with

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well-wishers at the first in a series of celebrations which traced

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his career. And in the London borough of Southwark, people

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followed the dickens trail to an area which caused in painful

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memories. 200 years on, it is possible to find traces of the

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world that inspired his writing. This is the wall of the old sea

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prison. At the age of 12, his father was locked up here for a

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debt and gained first-hand experience of what it was lied to

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be disadvantaged. At another former home, now the museum, a royal

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audience for one of those that have to bring his stories to a new

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generation. His descriptions of character and state of being at

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that time in England Wells part of the historical record of what it

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was like back then. Charles Dickens had 10 children. In Westminster

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Abbey's Poets corner, the largest gathering of his descendants joined

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in an act of remembrance. As a member of the family, you have a

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different view. When you see the explosion of interest in Charles

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Dickens for the bicentenary, it hits the family rather hard and we

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realise quite what a special person the wires. This is an extract from

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one of his novels. Refines, now working on a new version of Great

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Expectations, reminded us of his great storytelling ability. --

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Ralph violence. Is there nobody here but you, Mr Woodcut? Charles

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Dickens had asked to be buried in Kent, a place he loved as a child,

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but the public demanded that he be allowed to join great literary

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figures serum Westminster Abbey, Amman that would have probably had

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preceded their efforts. -- a man that would have probably

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appreciated. The main news, the Russian foreign

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minister, Mr Lavrov, has held what he described as useful talks in

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Syria. He had a meeting in Damascus with the President, Bashar Al-Assad.

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Russian news agencies say that the President said that he was ready

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for dialogue with all political forces. Meanwhile, Homs is being

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pounded by artillery for a fourth day and arrow. We spoke to where

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resident he said it began at 3am. That is it from the programme, next,

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the weather, but from every one We are expecting the coldest night

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of the winter so far tonight. A widespread and severe frost across

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the country, so a very cold start to tomorrow morning. Not cold

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everywhere, it is mild in the north and west, because there are some

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pieces of Atlantic air and a weather front. We have an influence

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of high pressure stretching down from Scandinavia bringing the very

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low temperatures tomorrow morning. Some clout in the morning, but it

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will break with sunny spells by the afternoon. Temperatures are around

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1-2 degrees. A brisk wind in the east. Temperatures below freezing

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in the afternoon. Across the south- west corner, some cloud at times in

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parts of Somerset and Dorset, but Devon and Cornwall have a bright

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afternoon. Right across much of England and Wales with sunny spells

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for Wales and temperatures reaching 3 degrees. In Northern Ireland,

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this is where the weather front his, some rain for Northern Ireland.

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Quite heavy and different in terms of the temperatures. 5 degrees, the

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