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This is BBC World News Today with me, Zeinab Badawi.


Back to the negotiating table. Palestinians and Israelis prepare


for their first face-to-face talks in three years. With a push from


the US secretary of state John Kerry, can the two sides really


make it different this time after all those failed attempts? And of


the negotiations are going to be tough. But I also know that the


consequences of not trying could be worse.


Highway tragedy in Italy. What caught a coach to correct -- plunge


into a ravine killing 38 people? Also coming up, surprise remarks


from Pope Francis to says gay people should not be marginalised.


Is it a sign the Catholic Church will soften its stance on


homosexuality? And the sun is out, but our


economic ills in the air? We reveal while many Germans are holiday at


Hello, and welcome. The Palestinian, Israeli dispute has been one of the


most intractable conflict anywhere in the world. For decades, it has


not only defied a resolution but has also fuelled conflict in the


entire Middle East. Now the two sides are preparing to attend a


dinner in Washington this evening hosted by the US secretary of state


John Kerry. This will be the first time that such talks will have been


held for several years. Mr Kerry himself however was at pains to


stress that the path ahead would be long and fraught. Going forward, it


is no secret that this is a difficult process. If it were easy,


it would have happened a long time ago. It is no secret therefore that


many difficult choices lie ahead for the negotiators. And for the


leaders. As we seek it reasonable compromises on tough, complicated,


emotional and symbolic issues. I think reasonable compromises have


to be a keystone of all of this effort. I note the my decisions are


going to be tough. But I also know that the consequences of not trying


will be worse. There is a long way to go but there are many issues


that will present huge challenges. Let us remind you of the key so


extensive obstacles that have derailed peace efforts in the past.


The Israeli government is afraid that an independent Palestine might


one day be hostile to Israel. It is insisted that any future Palestine


be largely demilitarised which the Palestinians said of the ordination


of their sovereignty. The Israelis maintain that Jerusalem is there


indivisible and eternal capital, but the Palestinians want East


Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state. But the


Palestinian leadership wants the right of the Cern -- writer return


of all Palestinian refugees which Israel says will lead to the


Palestinians out numbering them. The man nominated as the key


mediator for the talks today is the former ambassador or to Israel


Martin Indyk and he described it as a difficult role. I am deeply


grateful to you and to President Obama for interestingly with the


mission of helping you take this breakthrough and turn it into a


full-fledged Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement. It is a daunting


and humbling challenge but one which I cannot desist from. I look


forward with great excitement working with you, President Abbas


and Prime Minister Netanyahu and their teams to do their best to


achieve President Obama's vision of two states living side by side in


peace and security. I have been joined in the studio by


a Daniel Levy, a former Israeli air investigator or and joining us from


Ramallah on the West Bank is Khaled Elgindy, a former Palestinian


negotiator. We have been here before, obviously, are you


sceptical optimistic? Well, I would probably have to count myself among


the sceptics. At this point, our visit, it is still largely a


process which is talks about talks. The Palestinian and Israeli


negotiators who are coming are primarily going to tackle this


legal issues. And even before getting into the very, very


difficult substantive issues that divide them, have divided them for


many decades. Do you share that, I would have to say, pessimism? It is


talks about talks, not even discussing those as it stands at


issue. Yes, there is very little reason to be popping any champagne


bottles of this latest element. It almost feels ritualistic.


Nevertheless I do not think we have to be cynical. First of all, a


piece of good news perhaps for people who are sick of hearing this


story about talks starting and never getting anywhere, it looks


like there might be not more iterations of efforts to get to


state. That option is vanishing and that will soon not be something to


realistically talk about. They will talk -- stop talking about eight to


state solution and talk about the one state solution? For all the


complexity, there is something is really -- something quite simple,


there are Jewish Israelis, or Palestinian Arabs. Either there


will be to States or everyone will live together in a by national


democracy. The majority seem to prefer the first option but there


is quite simple. Either Israeli settlements will be withdrawn and


there will be the territory for a Palestinian state, or there will


not be too reckless days. I think John Kerry's challenge, and the new


envoy, his can you get the Israelis into a serious territory, session


all they dodge and distract? -- a serious territory discussion or


will they dodge and distract. absolutely agree with my good


friend on everything he has said. The any clarification of I would


add is that, in addition, we have to make a distinction between a one


state solution under one state outcome. I completely agree that


time is running out on a negotiated to state solution. That does not


necessarily mean that the alternative is going to be a by


national democratic state. I think the Palestinians and Israelis


currently live in a one state reality, there is one sovereign


state, Israel, between the river and the sea, that controls that


territory. Even though there are two different operations there. I


think a third possibility we might see is a continuation of some


version of the status quo. As unacceptable as it is, it can


continue, I think, not necessarily in definitely butts for the


foreseeable future. With manageable, limited conflict that Iraq -- that


erupt every now again. Ultimately, a by a national state could be in


the offing further down the road but I do not see it on the rising.


That is what you think, both of you think the two state solution has a


limited state life and in time we will talk about a one state


solution. As things stand at the moment, what John Kerry is trying


to bring about is essentially still this too mechanistic solution.


Absolutely. What this -- this two state solution. What this might


have thought it is Mr Kerry seems set know that time is running out.


You have got the focus of the secretary of state, with the


backing of the President, I think he is backing the John Kerry if he


has a plan. You have as brash you have an Israeli body politic who is


aware that his is a fine line. You have people who are looking for a


solution, and if, this is not just an American Israeli-Palestinian


thing, if the Israelis think there is a consequence is to not having a


two state outcome, the talks might have a chance. The Europeans could


have a role by holding Israeli feet to the fire a bit. They have been


doing so with economic out quips. I use saying that these are the last


chance saloon for the -- are you saying that these other last chance


saloon for the two state solution? I think we are getting close, the


Palestinians will be the ultimate wants to make that call. Obviously,


you cannot ignore all this going on amongst your neighbours. Egypt is


so preoccupied with his own conflict, Iraq, Syria, similar


situations. To what extent do you think that the turmoil in the


Middle East as a whole has an impact on these Palestinian-Israeli


talks? Does it encourage or discourage you from trying to get a


deal with the Israelis? I think it does both. For the Israelis,


certainly, it is probably a disincentive to want to rock --


move forward, the turmoil in the region. And given the very


important role that Arab states have to play, partly in order to


provide cover for the Palestinian leadership, political cover, but


also, they are parties to the conflict in their own right. There


are a number of issues that a shared, water, security, across


Palestinian and Israeli borders. So the Arab states have to clearly


play a role. They are definitely distracted right now. Very


quickly... Just to comment on a point that Daniel made, I


completely agree on his analysis and I am certainly counting myself


among those who would believe that this conflict is resolvable. It is


eminently resolvable. The substance of the issues are difficult, they


cuts to the very core of Israeli and Palestinian identities. And


those will have to be dealt with. But at the end of the day, I think


the bigger problem with this process is in fact the process


itself. That is where I do not see all that much different. What icy


is an Israeli government that is triumphant in many ways, a victim


of its own success. The settlement programme has been enormously


successful. On the other hard -- and Tommy have the opposite of the


Palestinian side, and leadership is divided and incredibly weak. In an


unprecedented way in terms of... I'm sorry, you have been rather


short-changed, but you are in so much agreement through this, I hope


he will not mind! The talks between the Israeli and Palestinians come


when the supporters of the ousted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi


are planning more process marches. They have called for another rally


on Tuesday. The interim government has warned them that if they break


the law, they will be dealt with firmly. The EU foreign policy chief


Catherine Ashton is in Cairo, and she has been calling for a


colleague -- fully inclusive tradition in Egypt. Today she met


the head of the army General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and other government


ministers. Meanwhile in Iraq, increasing


sectarian violence has led to more deaths today. 17 car bombs killed


more than 50 people, in mainly Shia areas in the central and south. The


attacks were timed to strike the morning rush-hour. The government


is blaming a curried fighters. -- Al-Qaeda fighters.


This was Baghdad this morning. A very familiar scene as car-bomb


attacks spread death and destruction in the Iraqi capital.


11 bombs struck Baghdad within less than an hour. Highlighting what it


proves to be a gradual loss of control Bice duty forces. -- bike


security forces. It was not just Baghdad. This is Basra, the main


oil hub of Iraq. It was struck by one car bomb at a fighter hit


southern Iraq, until recently seen as relatively stable. Soon after,


the Iraqi Interior Ministry issued a statement blaming Al-Qaeda for


the attacks. It said that Iraq faces open war by sectarian forces


which want to reproduce a civil war. It also said that the scale of the


attacks reveal significant able Tresham by the terrorist groups


into the social fabric of Iraq. This is another sign of growing


pressure on the government and its failure to get a grip on security.


As the country wheels from another big blow, the anger on the streets


could spiral out of control. Investigators are trying to


establish the cause of Italy's West coach crash in years. 38 people


died in the accident including the code's driving. One eyewitness said


she thought the driver lost control after a tyre burst. What we do know


is around the bus was travelling along the A16 motorway between


Avellino and Naples. When the coach read the Viaduct Acqualonga, it


lost control and swung into the right hand barrier. The barrier


song apart and the bus fell 30 highway, the passengers would have


felt their bus launch into midair. It fell into the trees and pounded


into the Earth 100 feet below. In the mangled mess of metal, reminders


of those on board. Among them, families with children. The safety


barrier on behalf of way's edge had failed to keep them safe.


TRANSLATION: I would think the barriers on the bridges and the


viaduct should prevent this kind of accident but it seems the impact was


so strong even the barrier gave way. The bus had been badly out of


control. It didn't break as it approached slow-moving traffic and


ran through a line of cars before it careered off the road. TRANSLATION:


All of a sudden we heard some bangs coming from behind us then we


crashed into -- we were crashed into and we didn't see the coach. Rescue


crews worked through the night, searching for survivors, tending to


the injured and gathering up the many dead. TRANSLATION: We live very


close to the crash site. We heard a huge boom and we ran. We took the


children out and all you could hear was children shouting. We called the


police and waited for them. The guard rail was hanging and we were


afraid we would fall. In a makeshift morgue in a nearby town, relatives


have been coming to try to identify the dead. And as the day drew to a


close, they prayed for those who they had lost. There is shock and


grief here but questions are also being asked. What caused this


carnage? Was there a failure of the boss's breaks perhaps was the driver


to blame? He died in the wreckage and the actions he took in the last


moments of his life will be closely scrutinised in an investigation that


has only just begun. Some news that is just breaking from


Switzerland: We're getting reports that two trains have collided in the


west of the country, leaving a number of people injured. Is


according to police. Emergency services have been scrambling to the


scene of the collision. News there of a train crash in Switzerland. And


to the train crash in Spain that happened at the end of last week.


Tributes have been paid to the big Thames of that. The memorial service


was led by the Archbishop of Santiago. It was held close to where


the accident happened. These are live pictures. The train's driver


was released from custody earlier today but has been provisionally


charged with 79 counts of negligent homicide. Prime Minister Mariano


Rajoy and members of the royal family are present. The Prime


Minister is from Santiago de Compostela. There is the memorial


service being held and these are live pictures coming to you from


there. Pope Francis has given more insight


into his thinking today, when he said that gay people should not be


marginalised but should be integrated in society. He said, "If


a person is gay and seeks God then who am I to judge them?". The Pope's


comments will be examined to see if they will signal any shift in the


Vatican's stand on homosexuality. A lot is written about the gay


lobby. I still haven't seen anyone in the Vatican with identity card


saying they are gay. The media say they are there. I think when one is


found, a person like this, we have to distinguish between the fact that


they are gay person and the fact that there is a gay lobby. If a


person is gay and seeks God, and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?


Our religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott has been thinking


about what this means within the context of the Catholic Church and


just how big shift comments really are.


It is a shift in emphasis. Remember that Pope Benedict also said gay


people should not be marginalised and should be welcomed into the


church and nurtured and loved. He also said, though, that homosexual


acts were simple. Pope Francis has had more or less the same thing but


the difference is that Pope Benedict said homosexuality was objectively


disordered. We are looking at a change of style and emphasis and new


mood music with Pope Francis. Hopes don't go around making up church law


on the hoof. -- Popes. But they can interpret it and they have immense


power and we are seeing a lot of that from Pope Francis. He's said a


lot of things which seem more eccentric man such as atheists can


go to heaven as long as they do good on earth. He also famously washed


the feet of two girls last Easter, including a Muslim girl, which


ruffled some feathers. But it's up to the Pope to do that. It doesn't


imply a fundamental change in church teaching.


A look at some of the day's other news in brief: The Jewish community


in Rome has gathered outside the house of a convicted Nazi to prevent


any celebration of his 100th birthday.


Nazi war criminal Erich Priebke has been in prison or under house arrest


since 1994 for his role in the massacre of 335 civilians near the


capital during the Second World War. The value of the jewels that were


stolen in Cannes has now been put at around $130 million. A man wearing


gloves and a scarf over his face crept into a diamond show in a


luxury hotel and made off with millions in jewellery. It is one of


the largest-ever jewel heists in the world.


Throughout the financial crisis in the eurozone, Germany has been held


up as the economic powerhouse of the EU, maintaining respectable rates of


economic growth. In fact, Germany has also had its fair share of


becoming problems, like growing poverty amongst young people and


income inequality. Katya Adler has position, by the water's edge. Most


Germans are holidaying at home this year. Life in Germany is not quite


as sunny as it seems. Up to 3 million youngsters live in poverty


in Germany. That number is growing fastest here in the west German


region of North Rhine-Westphalia. A citizen's initiative relies on


donations to help feed under privileged children in this rundown


city. There is not enough money inside the boxes from the


government. But Germany is a rich country. May be. I don't know if


Germany is rich on that I see the parents here, I see the children,


and this tells me the children coming here are not rich. This


region used to be the motor of a booming German economy - of wealthy


western Germany. But heavy industry has had its heyday and now this


place has been dubbed the biggest slum in Germany. Income inequality


is reported to be growing faster in Germany than in any other Western


Europe the nation. 7.4 million Germans are paid less than 400 euros


a month. Germany's poor say they are cynical about their politicians'


pre-election promises. They've heard them before. TRANSLATION: The


politicians don't listen to us little people, the poor and those on


welfare. I have to feed each of my children on 2.5 euros a day. I'm


supposed to give them healthy food but I can only afford meat once a


week and fruit two or three times a month. All political parties in


Germany agree more must be done to put people out of poverty and


billions of euros have been pumped into former communist East Germany


since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Progress there seems impressive, as


does Germany's low unemployment rate, but as many Germans will tell


you, looks can be very deceptive. The Bolshoi Ballet is famous all


over the world and tonight it starts a three-week season of performances


in London. At the legendary Russian dance company has had its reputation


badly affected by recent scandals including an acid attack on its


artistic director. Our art editor Will Gompertz has more.


The legendary Bolshoi Ballet are back at the Royal Opera House, where


they will be performing, among other best in the world. They are


accompanied -- the company is one of the most procedures, embodying, they


believe, the heart and soul of Russia. TRANSLATION: I think the


Bolshoi Ballet, the Russian Ballet, always represented Russia's spirit


and Russia's music and that's why it can be considered the greatest


achievement of our culture. Chekov once said that the only thing he


knew about ballet was that during intervals, all by arenas stink like


courses. He was referring to the great illusion of this art form.


Dancers learn to mask the unpleasant realities of their physical exertion


but there's no amount of skill or training that would enable anybody


to conceal the strange goings-on backstage at the Bolshoi Ballet of


late. There have been allegations of corruption and smear campaigns and


then in January, a horrific attack on Sergei Filin, the artistic


director, instigated, it is alleged, of his own dancers. That chap with


the dagger. A new boss has now been appointed to sort out this troubled


institution. TRANSLATION: This kind of event, this tragic event, has a


very tough psychological impact on everybody. These negative events


will be in the past and we will reform. The Bolshoi was founded in


1776 during the reign of Catherine the great, since when the company


has survived Napoleon, revolution, famine, two world wars and


communism. It should survive this crisis to, too, but the scars will


linger. What amazing, beautiful


performances, just glimpsing what the Bolshoi Ballet can do. That's


all from us. Next, it's the weather. But from me, Zeinab Badawi and the


downpours today but many didn't and saw heavy, thundery showers. Further


wet weather tomorrow and persistent rain for some. Showers for others.


This system of weather front is pushing its way into the Apple and


take and is going to bring persistent rain for some tomorrow.


To the north, a story of sunshine and showers. As we start the day,


wet weather pushes through western counties of England and South


Wales. Elsewhere, another day of sunshine and showers. In the south,


we'll have a wet morning with things looking much drier elsewhere. Once


we lose the persistent rain, southern coastal counties may escape


most of the further showers. But from Wales and the Midlands


Northwoods, a mixture of sunny spells and heavy downpours. Some


rumbles of thunder mixed in and quite a lot of water being deposited


in a short space of time. There will still be some sunny breaks in


between. Our weather fronts start to push northwards. A belt of rain


pushes northwards. Lighter and more patchy further east. Turning quite


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