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This is BBC World News Today with me, Zeinab Badawi.

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Back to the negotiating table. Palestinians and Israelis prepare

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for their first face-to-face talks in three years. With a push from

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the US secretary of state John Kerry, can the two sides really

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make it different this time after all those failed attempts? And of

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the negotiations are going to be tough. But I also know that the

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consequences of not trying could be worse.

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Highway tragedy in Italy. What caught a coach to correct -- plunge

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into a ravine killing 38 people? Also coming up, surprise remarks

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from Pope Francis to says gay people should not be marginalised.

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Is it a sign the Catholic Church will soften its stance on

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homosexuality? And the sun is out, but our

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economic ills in the air? We reveal while many Germans are holiday at

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Hello, and welcome. The Palestinian, Israeli dispute has been one of the

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most intractable conflict anywhere in the world. For decades, it has

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not only defied a resolution but has also fuelled conflict in the

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entire Middle East. Now the two sides are preparing to attend a

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dinner in Washington this evening hosted by the US secretary of state

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John Kerry. This will be the first time that such talks will have been

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held for several years. Mr Kerry himself however was at pains to

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stress that the path ahead would be long and fraught. Going forward, it

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is no secret that this is a difficult process. If it were easy,

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it would have happened a long time ago. It is no secret therefore that

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many difficult choices lie ahead for the negotiators. And for the

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leaders. As we seek it reasonable compromises on tough, complicated,

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emotional and symbolic issues. I think reasonable compromises have

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to be a keystone of all of this effort. I note the my decisions are

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going to be tough. But I also know that the consequences of not trying

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will be worse. There is a long way to go but there are many issues

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that will present huge challenges. Let us remind you of the key so

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extensive obstacles that have derailed peace efforts in the past.

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The Israeli government is afraid that an independent Palestine might

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one day be hostile to Israel. It is insisted that any future Palestine

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be largely demilitarised which the Palestinians said of the ordination

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of their sovereignty. The Israelis maintain that Jerusalem is there

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indivisible and eternal capital, but the Palestinians want East

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Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state. But the

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Palestinian leadership wants the right of the Cern -- writer return

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of all Palestinian refugees which Israel says will lead to the

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Palestinians out numbering them. The man nominated as the key

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mediator for the talks today is the former ambassador or to Israel

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Martin Indyk and he described it as a difficult role. I am deeply

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grateful to you and to President Obama for interestingly with the

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mission of helping you take this breakthrough and turn it into a

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full-fledged Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement. It is a daunting

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and humbling challenge but one which I cannot desist from. I look

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forward with great excitement working with you, President Abbas

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and Prime Minister Netanyahu and their teams to do their best to

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achieve President Obama's vision of two states living side by side in

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peace and security. I have been joined in the studio by

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a Daniel Levy, a former Israeli air investigator or and joining us from

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Ramallah on the West Bank is Khaled Elgindy, a former Palestinian

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negotiator. We have been here before, obviously, are you

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sceptical optimistic? Well, I would probably have to count myself among

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the sceptics. At this point, our visit, it is still largely a

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process which is talks about talks. The Palestinian and Israeli

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negotiators who are coming are primarily going to tackle this

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legal issues. And even before getting into the very, very

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difficult substantive issues that divide them, have divided them for

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many decades. Do you share that, I would have to say, pessimism? It is

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talks about talks, not even discussing those as it stands at

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issue. Yes, there is very little reason to be popping any champagne

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bottles of this latest element. It almost feels ritualistic.

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Nevertheless I do not think we have to be cynical. First of all, a

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piece of good news perhaps for people who are sick of hearing this

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story about talks starting and never getting anywhere, it looks

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like there might be not more iterations of efforts to get to

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state. That option is vanishing and that will soon not be something to

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realistically talk about. They will talk -- stop talking about eight to

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state solution and talk about the one state solution? For all the

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complexity, there is something is really -- something quite simple,

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there are Jewish Israelis, or Palestinian Arabs. Either there

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will be to States or everyone will live together in a by national

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democracy. The majority seem to prefer the first option but there

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is quite simple. Either Israeli settlements will be withdrawn and

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there will be the territory for a Palestinian state, or there will

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not be too reckless days. I think John Kerry's challenge, and the new

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envoy, his can you get the Israelis into a serious territory, session

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all they dodge and distract? -- a serious territory discussion or

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will they dodge and distract. absolutely agree with my good

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friend on everything he has said. The any clarification of I would

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add is that, in addition, we have to make a distinction between a one

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state solution under one state outcome. I completely agree that

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time is running out on a negotiated to state solution. That does not

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necessarily mean that the alternative is going to be a by

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national democratic state. I think the Palestinians and Israelis

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currently live in a one state reality, there is one sovereign

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state, Israel, between the river and the sea, that controls that

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territory. Even though there are two different operations there. I

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think a third possibility we might see is a continuation of some

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version of the status quo. As unacceptable as it is, it can

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continue, I think, not necessarily in definitely butts for the

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foreseeable future. With manageable, limited conflict that Iraq -- that

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erupt every now again. Ultimately, a by a national state could be in

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the offing further down the road but I do not see it on the rising.

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That is what you think, both of you think the two state solution has a

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limited state life and in time we will talk about a one state

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solution. As things stand at the moment, what John Kerry is trying

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to bring about is essentially still this too mechanistic solution.

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Absolutely. What this -- this two state solution. What this might

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have thought it is Mr Kerry seems set know that time is running out.

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You have got the focus of the secretary of state, with the

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backing of the President, I think he is backing the John Kerry if he

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has a plan. You have as brash you have an Israeli body politic who is

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aware that his is a fine line. You have people who are looking for a

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solution, and if, this is not just an American Israeli-Palestinian

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thing, if the Israelis think there is a consequence is to not having a

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two state outcome, the talks might have a chance. The Europeans could

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have a role by holding Israeli feet to the fire a bit. They have been

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doing so with economic out quips. I use saying that these are the last

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chance saloon for the -- are you saying that these other last chance

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saloon for the two state solution? I think we are getting close, the

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Palestinians will be the ultimate wants to make that call. Obviously,

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you cannot ignore all this going on amongst your neighbours. Egypt is

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so preoccupied with his own conflict, Iraq, Syria, similar

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situations. To what extent do you think that the turmoil in the

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Middle East as a whole has an impact on these Palestinian-Israeli

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talks? Does it encourage or discourage you from trying to get a

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deal with the Israelis? I think it does both. For the Israelis,

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certainly, it is probably a disincentive to want to rock --

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move forward, the turmoil in the region. And given the very

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important role that Arab states have to play, partly in order to

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provide cover for the Palestinian leadership, political cover, but

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also, they are parties to the conflict in their own right. There

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are a number of issues that a shared, water, security, across

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Palestinian and Israeli borders. So the Arab states have to clearly

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play a role. They are definitely distracted right now. Very

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quickly... Just to comment on a point that Daniel made, I

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completely agree on his analysis and I am certainly counting myself

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among those who would believe that this conflict is resolvable. It is

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eminently resolvable. The substance of the issues are difficult, they

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cuts to the very core of Israeli and Palestinian identities. And

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those will have to be dealt with. But at the end of the day, I think

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the bigger problem with this process is in fact the process

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itself. That is where I do not see all that much different. What icy

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is an Israeli government that is triumphant in many ways, a victim

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of its own success. The settlement programme has been enormously

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successful. On the other hard -- and Tommy have the opposite of the

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Palestinian side, and leadership is divided and incredibly weak. In an

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unprecedented way in terms of... I'm sorry, you have been rather

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short-changed, but you are in so much agreement through this, I hope

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he will not mind! The talks between the Israeli and Palestinians come

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when the supporters of the ousted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi

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are planning more process marches. They have called for another rally

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on Tuesday. The interim government has warned them that if they break

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the law, they will be dealt with firmly. The EU foreign policy chief

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Catherine Ashton is in Cairo, and she has been calling for a

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colleague -- fully inclusive tradition in Egypt. Today she met

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the head of the army General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and other government

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ministers. Meanwhile in Iraq, increasing

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sectarian violence has led to more deaths today. 17 car bombs killed

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more than 50 people, in mainly Shia areas in the central and south. The

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attacks were timed to strike the morning rush-hour. The government

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is blaming a curried fighters. -- Al-Qaeda fighters.

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This was Baghdad this morning. A very familiar scene as car-bomb

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attacks spread death and destruction in the Iraqi capital.

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11 bombs struck Baghdad within less than an hour. Highlighting what it

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proves to be a gradual loss of control Bice duty forces. -- bike

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security forces. It was not just Baghdad. This is Basra, the main

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oil hub of Iraq. It was struck by one car bomb at a fighter hit

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southern Iraq, until recently seen as relatively stable. Soon after,

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the Iraqi Interior Ministry issued a statement blaming Al-Qaeda for

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the attacks. It said that Iraq faces open war by sectarian forces

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which want to reproduce a civil war. It also said that the scale of the

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attacks reveal significant able Tresham by the terrorist groups

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into the social fabric of Iraq. This is another sign of growing

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pressure on the government and its failure to get a grip on security.

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As the country wheels from another big blow, the anger on the streets

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could spiral out of control. Investigators are trying to

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establish the cause of Italy's West coach crash in years. 38 people

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died in the accident including the code's driving. One eyewitness said

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she thought the driver lost control after a tyre burst. What we do know

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is around the bus was travelling along the A16 motorway between

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Avellino and Naples. When the coach read the Viaduct Acqualonga, it

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lost control and swung into the right hand barrier. The barrier

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song apart and the bus fell 30 highway, the passengers would have

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felt their bus launch into midair. It fell into the trees and pounded

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into the Earth 100 feet below. In the mangled mess of metal, reminders

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of those on board. Among them, families with children. The safety

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barrier on behalf of way's edge had failed to keep them safe.

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TRANSLATION: I would think the barriers on the bridges and the

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viaduct should prevent this kind of accident but it seems the impact was

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so strong even the barrier gave way. The bus had been badly out of

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control. It didn't break as it approached slow-moving traffic and

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ran through a line of cars before it careered off the road. TRANSLATION:

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All of a sudden we heard some bangs coming from behind us then we

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crashed into -- we were crashed into and we didn't see the coach. Rescue

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crews worked through the night, searching for survivors, tending to

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the injured and gathering up the many dead. TRANSLATION: We live very

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close to the crash site. We heard a huge boom and we ran. We took the

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children out and all you could hear was children shouting. We called the

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police and waited for them. The guard rail was hanging and we were

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afraid we would fall. In a makeshift morgue in a nearby town, relatives

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have been coming to try to identify the dead. And as the day drew to a

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close, they prayed for those who they had lost. There is shock and

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grief here but questions are also being asked. What caused this

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carnage? Was there a failure of the boss's breaks perhaps was the driver

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to blame? He died in the wreckage and the actions he took in the last

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moments of his life will be closely scrutinised in an investigation that

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has only just begun. Some news that is just breaking from

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Switzerland: We're getting reports that two trains have collided in the

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west of the country, leaving a number of people injured. Is

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according to police. Emergency services have been scrambling to the

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scene of the collision. News there of a train crash in Switzerland. And

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to the train crash in Spain that happened at the end of last week.

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Tributes have been paid to the big Thames of that. The memorial service

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was led by the Archbishop of Santiago. It was held close to where

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the accident happened. These are live pictures. The train's driver

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was released from custody earlier today but has been provisionally

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charged with 79 counts of negligent homicide. Prime Minister Mariano

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Rajoy and members of the royal family are present. The Prime

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Minister is from Santiago de Compostela. There is the memorial

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service being held and these are live pictures coming to you from

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there. Pope Francis has given more insight

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into his thinking today, when he said that gay people should not be

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marginalised but should be integrated in society. He said, "If

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a person is gay and seeks God then who am I to judge them?". The Pope's

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comments will be examined to see if they will signal any shift in the

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Vatican's stand on homosexuality. A lot is written about the gay

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lobby. I still haven't seen anyone in the Vatican with identity card

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saying they are gay. The media say they are there. I think when one is

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found, a person like this, we have to distinguish between the fact that

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they are gay person and the fact that there is a gay lobby. If a

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person is gay and seeks God, and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?

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Our religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott has been thinking

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about what this means within the context of the Catholic Church and

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just how big shift comments really are.

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It is a shift in emphasis. Remember that Pope Benedict also said gay

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people should not be marginalised and should be welcomed into the

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church and nurtured and loved. He also said, though, that homosexual

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acts were simple. Pope Francis has had more or less the same thing but

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the difference is that Pope Benedict said homosexuality was objectively

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disordered. We are looking at a change of style and emphasis and new

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mood music with Pope Francis. Hopes don't go around making up church law

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on the hoof. -- Popes. But they can interpret it and they have immense

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power and we are seeing a lot of that from Pope Francis. He's said a

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lot of things which seem more eccentric man such as atheists can

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go to heaven as long as they do good on earth. He also famously washed

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the feet of two girls last Easter, including a Muslim girl, which

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ruffled some feathers. But it's up to the Pope to do that. It doesn't

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imply a fundamental change in church teaching.

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A look at some of the day's other news in brief: The Jewish community

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in Rome has gathered outside the house of a convicted Nazi to prevent

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any celebration of his 100th birthday.

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Nazi war criminal Erich Priebke has been in prison or under house arrest

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since 1994 for his role in the massacre of 335 civilians near the

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capital during the Second World War. The value of the jewels that were

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stolen in Cannes has now been put at around $130 million. A man wearing

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gloves and a scarf over his face crept into a diamond show in a

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luxury hotel and made off with millions in jewellery. It is one of

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the largest-ever jewel heists in the world.

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Throughout the financial crisis in the eurozone, Germany has been held

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up as the economic powerhouse of the EU, maintaining respectable rates of

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economic growth. In fact, Germany has also had its fair share of

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becoming problems, like growing poverty amongst young people and

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income inequality. Katya Adler has position, by the water's edge. Most

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Germans are holidaying at home this year. Life in Germany is not quite

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as sunny as it seems. Up to 3 million youngsters live in poverty

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in Germany. That number is growing fastest here in the west German

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region of North Rhine-Westphalia. A citizen's initiative relies on

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donations to help feed under privileged children in this rundown

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city. There is not enough money inside the boxes from the

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government. But Germany is a rich country. May be. I don't know if

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Germany is rich on that I see the parents here, I see the children,

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and this tells me the children coming here are not rich. This

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region used to be the motor of a booming German economy - of wealthy

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western Germany. But heavy industry has had its heyday and now this

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place has been dubbed the biggest slum in Germany. Income inequality

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is reported to be growing faster in Germany than in any other Western

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Europe the nation. 7.4 million Germans are paid less than 400 euros

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a month. Germany's poor say they are cynical about their politicians'

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pre-election promises. They've heard them before. TRANSLATION: The

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politicians don't listen to us little people, the poor and those on

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welfare. I have to feed each of my children on 2.5 euros a day. I'm

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supposed to give them healthy food but I can only afford meat once a

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week and fruit two or three times a month. All political parties in

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Germany agree more must be done to put people out of poverty and

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billions of euros have been pumped into former communist East Germany

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since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Progress there seems impressive, as

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does Germany's low unemployment rate, but as many Germans will tell

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you, looks can be very deceptive. The Bolshoi Ballet is famous all

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over the world and tonight it starts a three-week season of performances

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in London. At the legendary Russian dance company has had its reputation

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badly affected by recent scandals including an acid attack on its

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artistic director. Our art editor Will Gompertz has more.

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The legendary Bolshoi Ballet are back at the Royal Opera House, where

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they will be performing, among other best in the world. They are

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accompanied -- the company is one of the most procedures, embodying, they

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believe, the heart and soul of Russia. TRANSLATION: I think the

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Bolshoi Ballet, the Russian Ballet, always represented Russia's spirit

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and Russia's music and that's why it can be considered the greatest

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achievement of our culture. Chekov once said that the only thing he

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knew about ballet was that during intervals, all by arenas stink like

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courses. He was referring to the great illusion of this art form.

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Dancers learn to mask the unpleasant realities of their physical exertion

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but there's no amount of skill or training that would enable anybody

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to conceal the strange goings-on backstage at the Bolshoi Ballet of

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late. There have been allegations of corruption and smear campaigns and

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then in January, a horrific attack on Sergei Filin, the artistic

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director, instigated, it is alleged, of his own dancers. That chap with

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the dagger. A new boss has now been appointed to sort out this troubled

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institution. TRANSLATION: This kind of event, this tragic event, has a

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very tough psychological impact on everybody. These negative events

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will be in the past and we will reform. The Bolshoi was founded in

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1776 during the reign of Catherine the great, since when the company

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has survived Napoleon, revolution, famine, two world wars and

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communism. It should survive this crisis to, too, but the scars will

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linger. What amazing, beautiful

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performances, just glimpsing what the Bolshoi Ballet can do. That's

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all from us. Next, it's the weather. But from me, Zeinab Badawi and the

:26:49.:26:59.
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downpours today but many didn't and saw heavy, thundery showers. Further

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wet weather tomorrow and persistent rain for some. Showers for others.

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This system of weather front is pushing its way into the Apple and

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take and is going to bring persistent rain for some tomorrow.

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To the north, a story of sunshine and showers. As we start the day,

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wet weather pushes through western counties of England and South

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Wales. Elsewhere, another day of sunshine and showers. In the south,

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we'll have a wet morning with things looking much drier elsewhere. Once

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we lose the persistent rain, southern coastal counties may escape

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most of the further showers. But from Wales and the Midlands

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Northwoods, a mixture of sunny spells and heavy downpours. Some

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rumbles of thunder mixed in and quite a lot of water being deposited

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in a short space of time. There will still be some sunny breaks in

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between. Our weather fronts start to push northwards. A belt of rain

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pushes northwards. Lighter and more patchy further east. Turning quite

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