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This is BBC World News Today with me, Philippa Thomas. Petrol bombs, | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
rubber bullets and now deaths in the streets of Ukraine's capital Kiev. | :00:10. | :00:17. | |
Two people have died from bullet wounds in the escalating violence, | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
the first fatality is it since the political crisis started in | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
November. Together at last - Syria's | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
government and opposition join the international peace conference in | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
Switzerland. But Syria insists President Assad must stay despite | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
this warning from Washington. You cannot restore Syria, you cannot | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
save the Syrian people, so long as Bashar Al Assad is in power. The | :00:39. | :00:51. | |
kind of provocative statements, repetitive statements, old | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
language, based on hatred towards the Syrian government. Why are we | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
being moved on? Also coming up: The perils of reporting China. Our | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
correspondent is moved on while covering the trial of a prominent | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
human rights lawyer. And how to get information to the | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
world's most isolated nation. We'll talk to the human rights group using | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
weather balloons to reach the people of North Korea. | :01:23. | :01:35. | |
Hello and welcome. At least two protestors have died from bullet | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
wounds in the Ukrainian capital Kiev, the first fatalities since | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
Ukraine was gripped by political crisis in November, on the day that | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
a new law restricting demonstrations came into force. Anti-government | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
protestors have been throwing petrol bombs and stones. The police have | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
responded with rubber bullets, stun grenades and tear gas. This report | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
from our correspondent, Daniel Sandford, in Kiev. | :02:00. | :02:10. | |
As night fell, violent demonstrators were stoking the fires on the | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
barricades in Kiev. This was the day when new anti-protest laws were | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
introduced in Ukraine, but they were not designed to deal with this kind | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
of chaos. This evening, this central kiosk where is like a vision of | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
hell, with black tyres burning and to testers throwing stones and | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
firing fireworks, straight into the lines of riot police. The violence | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
started at breakfast time, police had tried to clear the barricades, | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
this was the protesters' response. The riot officers they were | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
attacking had been deployed it to defend the Ukrainian parliament | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
which passed the hated new laws. The Prime Minister made this statement, | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
which only stoked their anger. TRANSLATION: The cynicism of the | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
terrorists has reached the stage where they are throwing Molotov | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
cocktails at people. It all began in December as | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
demonstrators in favour of joining the European union. -- | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
demonstrations. Has ended with officers firing plastic bullets on | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
the crowd and today they please confirmed for the first time that | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
some protesters had died. In hospital, I found this man, a | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
retired military man from crime who lost his eye in the fighting on | :03:31. | :03:38. | |
Monday. It was his birthday full. -- it was his birthday. I was near the | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
barricade when the riot police hit my head. I took the bullet out | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
myself with my hand and then I was taken away by ambulance which | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
brought me to hospital. I had surgery straightaway and my eye was | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
removed. Below Parliament, police made several attempts to clear the | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
crowd. This resulted in further injuries. The violence is still | :03:57. | :04:06. | |
really can find it to one street. -- of violence is confined. There are | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
laurels in the fighting when peaceful protesters went up to the | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
front line to sing the national anthem before chaos started again. | :04:16. | :04:25. | |
The BBC's Duncan Crawford is monitoring events on the ground. | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
What is it like there tonight? We have seen clashes going back and | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
forth over the course of the day, and owned a ten minute walk from | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
where I am at the moment. In the road leading up to parliament which | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
has been the focus of these clashes between riot police and the | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
protesters, we seen the riot police using stun grenades, firing plastic | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
bullets into the crowd. The protesters were throwing rocks. And | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
they were also throwing Molotov cocktails back at them. The | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
opposition leaders have been holding talks today with President | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
Yanukovych. They expect more than -- they have spent more than three | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
hours in talks. Earlier on, they came to the stage behind me, at the | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
Independents were all stop many hundreds of people are still | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
listening to protest leaders speaking. The tally click all, the | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
former world heavyweight boxing champion, now a leading opposition | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
figure, he heads up a party. -- Vitali Klitschko. He told the | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
protesters that if the government does not a concession, tomorrow we | :05:32. | :05:39. | |
go on the attack. Very strong words indeed. Another opposition figure | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
told the crowd that, I am going forward, even if I get a bullet in | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
the head. So a really tense situation here tonight. The rhetoric | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
has it really wrapped up and the possibility for more violence is | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
very real tonight. -- really ramped up. The Ukrainian Prime Minister has | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
told us that a lot of what we are seeing are the extremists and | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
radicals of the far right and most of the country is functioning as | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
normal. Yes, the Prime Minister told the BBC that the country is | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
functioning as normal. He is correct in that. If you go outside of the | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
protest area here in the centre of Kiev, if you are not in those mean | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
streets read the classes are taking place, people are going about their | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
business as normal. -- those streets where the classes that are taking | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
place. This is a serious situation. The opposition want to see the end | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
of these anti-protest laws that were brought into force today. They want | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
to see the Parliament resign and they would like to see snap | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
presidential election is called. So far, President Yanukovych has not | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
showed any sign that he is going to budge even one little bit. Thank you | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
very much. For the first time, the Syrian | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
regime and the official opposition have been brought to the same table | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
- as peace talks begin in Montreux in Switzerland. The UN Secretary | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
General Ban Ki-moon has hailed that fact in itself as an historic step. | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
But the talks - supposedly about forming a transitional government to | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
replace the Assad regime - have opened with angry speeches, | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
including a declaration from the Syrian Foreign Minister that | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
President Assad will not go. Our Middle East correspondent, Paul | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
Wood, is in Montreux. War criminal to some, a saviour to | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
his supporters in Montreux today. The fate of President Assad is the | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
main issue of this conference. These are not yet direct talks between | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
regime and opposition but at least they are in the same room will stop | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
Syria's Foreign Minister had this to say about the regime's opponents. | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
The media lured these people, these terrorists, by claiming they are | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
moderate but they know full well they are extremists. And they are | :08:00. | :08:07. | |
terrorists. The UN Secretary General accused him of using inflammatory | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
language. You are seeing I live in New York, I live in Syria, I have | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
the right to give the Syrian version here in this forum. Of course. I | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
never objected to that. We have to have some constructive and | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
harmonious dialogue. Please refrain from any inflammatory remarks... An | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
team and is usually quite mild-mannered but these are | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
intractable issues. -- Ban Ki-moon is usually quite mild-mannered. The | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
opposition insist that President Assad cannot be part of a | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
transitional government. Other victims in Syria are just too low | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
one man to remain on his throne. No phone has the value of one single | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
innocent life. There is no way, no way possible in the imagination that | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
the man who has led the brutal response to his own people could | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
read in the government. One man and those who have supported him can no | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
longer hold an entire nation and a region hostage. No-one should have | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
worried that the diplomatic niceties would obscure the real issues here. | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
One side thinks these discussion should be all about regime change. | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
The other side believes the talks should be about anything but the | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
transition of power. And at the end of a first day of meetings, the two | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
sides seem as far apart as ever. The latest fighting. Perhaps 130,000 | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
people have died in Syria, President Assad has clung onto power. But he | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
cannot win an outright victory. Neither can the rebels. The hope of | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
this conflict lies in both sides recognising that fact. And beginning | :09:58. | :10:06. | |
a dialogue. In the last hour, Syria's ambassador | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
to the UN, Bashar Jafaari, spoke to reporters from Montreux. He objected | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
to Iran being excluded from the talks, and said in order for Syria | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
to engage, there needs to be a difference in the way the Syrian | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
government was addressed. The statements and the speeches of | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
most of those who took the floor today in the meeting and, as you | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
know, the 40 delegations took the floor, did not encourage the | :10:32. | :10:44. | |
national political buyer logs. It was a kind of provocative statement, | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
a repetitive statement, old language, based on hatred towards | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
the Syrian government and based on a kind of blind provocation which is | :11:00. | :11:13. | |
counter-productive, fruitless and unsuccessful. Not positive at all. | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
Let's talk to our chief international correspondent, Lyse | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
Doucet, is in Montreux. The real talks will get under way on Friday. | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
How do you assess the situation now? It is as Ban Ki-moon said in his | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
press conference, he said it is not easy for two sides to sit down after | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
so much death and destruction. When you talk about the pain and the | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
sacrifices that Syrians have made, every Syrian at that table today | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
would have lost somebody in this war. They would have been looking at | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
the other side of the table and blaming them for the hardship of | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
their own family and friends and neighbourhoods, which lie in ruins. | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
The accused each other of having blood on their hands. And being | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
responsible for war crimes. It would have been naive to expect anything | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
else, but John Kerry also called it difficult, the beginning of a | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
difficult and complicated process. The real test comes on Friday, the | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
UN envoy has admitted, that it will not be in agreement -- it is not in | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
agreement that the two sides will sit in the same room and discuss the | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
details. I think we should have no illusions, this is going to take a | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
very, very long time and if there is a lesson from the Northern Ireland | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
peace process, two sides on the sit down to negotiate when they | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
understood there is no military solution. There are powerful | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
commanders who are not at this meeting and they are fighting as we | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
speak. It seems as though the future of President Assad is a red line for | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
both sides. Indeed. That is a good way to put it. Neither of them wants | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
to cross it. Bashar Jaafari, the UN ambassador of Syria, is still | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
talking, still defending President Bashar al-Assad's right to stay in | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
power. But of course, for the opposition, they simply cannot | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
countenance a process which does not state explicitly that President | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Hassan must go. And even Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary General | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
made it clear that the document which underpins this whole process, | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
called Geneva one, that was signed up to in May of 2000, June of 2012, | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
explicitly state that there must be a transitional governing body, all | :13:34. | :13:40. | |
of whose members are there by mutual consent. And if that is the | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
criteria, there is no way that President Assad would pass that test | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
so it is about transition, so one way or another, that has to be on | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
the table or else there will be no one at the table. Thank you very | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
much. Much has also been said in Switzerland about the urgency of | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
getting humanitarian aid into Syria. Joining me from Westminster | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
is the British Conservative MP who has been urging an agreement over a | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
safe corridors to do just that. Thank you for being with us. We are | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
hearing a lot of political rhetoric, a lot of it is angry. You think | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
there is any potential in these talks to get at least local | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
agreements at that age? Yes, I think the most important thing about this | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
is that a process has finally started. -- about aid. You cannot | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
resolve conflict with people sitting around and talking. Other side have | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
a lot to get off their chest which is why there is all this hyperbole | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
that we are hearing today. At the end of the day, it is about | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
protecting the Syrian people. And we have 9 million displaced people | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
internally and 2.4 million people as refugees in the surrounding | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
countries. I think it is absolutely paramount to try and create some | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
form of safety corridor. If all sides care about the Syrian people, | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
they should at least come up with some sort of solution to give safe | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
passage to the majority of people in Syria by giving them some area where | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
they can be safe in their own country. If we do not do that, the | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
pressure on neighbouring Lebanon, I met with the ambassador today and | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
she said 25% of their country today are Syrian refugees. In Jordan, they | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
are under the same pressures. In Iraq and Turkey as well. If this | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
goes on, for much longer, the social pressures in the neighbouring | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
countries could be potentially explosive. You know quite well the | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
way that President Assad's mind operates, you have met many times | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
leading up to 2011, for him, it seems to be, stick it out until the | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
end, he does not want to go. Yes, he is obviously regime change and | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
protecting the regime has been his red line. But actually, those that | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
surround him, he is disposable at the end of the day, if the cost | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
becomes too high. If there is a risk to their own future, he would be | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
disposable, you will be disposable to the Russians, disposable even to | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
the Iranians. The question is, how much pain and pressure are they | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
willing to withstand to keep him. How much blood has to be let between | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
now and the eventual time in which he will go, because surely he will | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
go. He has no future in Syria at all. A final thought about what can | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
be done now in practical terms? You spoke about getting conditions | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
sorted out on the ground to allow some humanitarian aid in, there are | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
many splinters and factions with the militia, does that but aid workers | :16:51. | :16:59. | |
at risk? There are two factions, there are the forces of Bashar | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
al-Assad and the Free Syrian Army better represented right 150,000 | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
people. The fly in the ointment, if you will, is a group representing | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
about 15,000 people in the East End in the north, and that is where the | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
pressure is from. But where the majority control is, between | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
President Assad and the Free Syrian Army, I believe that there is space | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
enough to create safe stones and safe corridors. Thank you. The trial | :17:25. | :17:32. | |
of a prominent Chinese human rights campaigner has begun in Beijing. | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
Shoo Ju-yoong is the founder of a group demanding government | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
transparency and full disclosure of the assets of Chinese leaders. He's | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
accused of gathering people to disturb public order. And in a sign | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
of how sensitive trials of this type can be, our correspondent Martin | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
Patience was jostled away from the court by the security forces. | :17:48. | :17:58. | |
Street after street, block after block, a huge security presence. It | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
felt like a military operation. The police filmed everyone's moves. At | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
this is what justice looks like in China. Why are we being moved on? | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
The courtroom is just down the road, but as you can see, the police here | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
are pushing us our way. What is clear is that China does not want | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
any coverage of this trial. This is the man in the dock, Shoo Ju-yoong, | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
filmed here in prison. He liked the new so-called citizens movement | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
which called for government officials to publicly declare their | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
assets. The group staged anti-corruption protests. Their | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
message was resonating with the public, but there are methods, | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
trying to organise an independent movement, have now landed them in | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
court. His lawyer says that the trial is a sham and he is not being | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
allowed to call witnesses. A handful of supporters gathered outside the | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
court. Transparency is all part of the National anti-corruption | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
campaign, said this woman. Our leaders must declare their wealth. | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
The president decides what is disclosed, he wants to avoid | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
damaging revelations. Today, details emerged of secret offshore accounts | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
held by some of the Chinese elite. Among those named, his own | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
brother-in-law. Unsurprisingly, the reports were blocked here. China's | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
leaders say they are serious about tackling corruption, but as today's | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
trial shows, they will do it on their own terms. | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
Now a look at some of the days other news. | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
Russian police are hunting for a woman they fear may be planning a | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
suicide bomb attack in Sochi during the Winter Olympics. The woman, | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
named as Ruzanna Ibragimova from Dagestan in the North Caucasus is | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
believed to be the widow of an Islamist militant. Wanted posters | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
have been distributed throughout the town. | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
The police in Italy have made ninety arrests in a major anti-Mafia | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
operation. Assets were seized in raids in Rome, Naples and Florence. | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
The operation centred around the Contini clan, part of the Camorra | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
crime network based in Naples. Bars and pizzerias run by the family in | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
the centre of Rome were searched by the police. One was a popular | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
restaurant close to Parliament. The controversial comedian Dieudonne | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
has been taken into custody in France. He's been called a pedlar of | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
hate by the government for sketches regarded as anti-Semitic. Earlier | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
today he allegedly assaulted a bailiff who attempted to collect | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
fines for offences including racial discrimination and hate speech. | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
The passengers rescued from a Russian research ship that became | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
trapped in thick Antarctic pack ice last month are finally back ashore | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
in Australia. More than 50 scientists and tourists had to be | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
airlifted from the Akademik Shokalsky onto another vessel after | :20:57. | :21:08. | |
several failed rescue attempts. As the sun rose over Tasmania, so | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
too did the spirits of those that had been stranded in the Antarctic | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
ice will stop finally, after many weeks at sea, they sailed into | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
Hobart on an Australian supply ship. The Akademik Shokalsky was | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
stuck for ten days and several rescue attempts failed before | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
finally help arrived. This has been a complex and controversial rescue. | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
There are no questions about whether the Russian research ship should | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
have been in such dangerous Antarctic waters in the first place | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
and who will pay for this very expensive international rescue, as | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
the ordeal for the passengers finally comes to an end. The leaders | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
of the expedition have defended their actions insisting they were | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
simply the victims of a freak event. The fundamental problem was the fact | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
that there was a massive upheaval, movement of the ice from another | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
part of Antarctica into that area. We had not seen that in any of the | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
satellite imagery before and it caught us. We were unfortunately in | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
the wrong place at the wrong time. Australian authorities have said the | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
rescue mission has disrupted other valuable projects in the Antarctic | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
because their main supply ship was needed to bring members of the | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
stranded expedition safely back to dry land. | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
How do you get information to the people of the world's most repressed | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
regime North Korea? It has no Internet. No dissident voices. | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
Virtually no alternative sources of information to the authoritarian | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
government of Kim Jong-un. Well one answer is to send in weather | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
balloons carrying rather unusual cargo. | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
Here with me is Thor Halvorssen, the president of the New York-based | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
Human Rights Foundation who was in South Korea a week ago to help | :22:55. | :23:02. | |
launch the balloons. Tell us first what you were sending over the | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
border? Well, the balloons themselves, each of them have a | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
bundle, the bundles weigh about eight kilos and it ranges from | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
leaflets, they are waterproof leaflets is, they have slogans that | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
are in favour of democracy and information that they would not | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
otherwise come across, as well as transistor radios, USB keys | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
containing information, education and in some cases, just dollar | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
bills. Who is with you? You have got human rights activist sending over | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
the weather balloons, do you also have defectors from North Korea? The | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
main people pushing this had been defectors who themselves received a | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
balloon like this, material from a balloon like this, and that is why | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
they decided to defect. You know that it works. Yes, it is mostly | :23:52. | :24:00. | |
anecdotal, but we are in a push to dramatically increase the technical | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
capabilities of this, so that we can both track them using GPS and really | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
help these defector group is with some good technology and linking | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
them with people, peer-to-peer networks, people that can help them | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
with this. Why would the police so keen to stop you? There was a lot of | :24:20. | :24:31. | |
police in June, but lastly, there was no police, the Chief police came | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
to let me know everything would be, but the last time, the North Korean | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
government sent out a press release to say they would bomb the side, and | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
this is the usual rhetoric by that government, but then there was one | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
from the Ministry of Defence of North Korea saying they were dead | :24:48. | :24:49. | |
serious about arming this site, so in many ways, this is an example of | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
the South Korean government spending to the will of the North. You can | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
see why the North Korean government is sending tee threatened by you | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
sending in this information, but are you endangering these people who are | :25:04. | :25:11. | |
likely to be, if they are found with this information or transistor | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
radios, they could be, or worse. Whether it is North Korea, Cuba, | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
dictatorships anywhere, the people living in it, they have many times | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
had so many things done to them. They suffered so much that and act | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
like reading a brochure or watching some entertainment from the South, | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
is a tiny Revolution, but it is something that they do, very | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
knowingly, of what they are doing. Just the very act of finding | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
something, picking it up and is looking, they are conscious. They | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
are meant to hand it over to the police, they're not meant to look, | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
but a lot of the time, they look at it and then they handed her over. It | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
is reaching the population, it is reaching the military. The number of | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
defectors that I have met who were active soldiers when they | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
defected... You are reaching into the establishment? Absolutely, | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
definitely, and many people who have never heard of anything happening | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
elsewhere, they are learning. It is not just propaganda, we send in | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
entertainment, things like TV shows that reveal that there is a world | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
out there and everything on it, and everything they are taught to | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
believe is not true. Thank you very much for coming in to talk to us | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
about this. This is BBC world News, thank you very much for being with | :26:35. | :26:35. | |
us. That is all from me. Good evening, most of us have had | :26:36. | :27:01. | |
some very decent weather in the last couple of hours. Tonight, some heavy | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
rain on the way. If you live | :27:06. | :27:06. |