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This is BBC World News Today with me Kasia Madera. On the eve of the

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biggest diplomatic effort to end the Syrian conflict, shocking pictures

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of torture allegedly, by government forces. Thousands of prisoners were

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starved, beaten and executed - investigators say the victims looked

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like they'd been in concentration camps.

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The pictures of starved bodies were reminiscent of the pictures one saw

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that came out of Auschwitz and Belsen after the Second World War.

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The standoff between riot police and protesters in the Ukraine capital

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Kiev with a warning the situation could get out of control. Also

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coming up: one wants independence from Britain,

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the other from Spain. We have a special report about Catalonia and

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Scotland's bids to breakaway. And the way we're listening to music

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is forever changing, and from today, Americans get a new streaming

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service to rival Spotify. Hello and welcome. As international

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diplomats gather in Switzerland for a conference aimed at ending the

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conflict in Syria, there are claims that Syrian government forces are

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guilty of torturing and executing prisoners. It comes in a report by

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three former war crimes prosecutors - they were commissioned by Qatar

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which backs the rebels. They've examined 55,000 images smuggled out

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of the country. The disturbing photos show injuries to 11,000 dead

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prisoners. The Syrian government has denied claims of abuse. Our

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correspondent Paul Wood's report contains some graphic images.

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Tens of thousands of people have disappeared in Syria's jails. Many

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tortured to death, according to the opposition. They say there's proof

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of that in these disturbing images. A military photographer catalogued

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some 11,000 deaths in custody. He defected, taking the whole library

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of abuse with him. It shows body after body, beaten, emaciated. The

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injuries were repeated time and time again. The brutal beatings - and

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pictures of starvation, starvation can be used as a means of torture,

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the pictures of starved bodies were reminiscent of the pictures one saw

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that came out of Auschwitz and Belsen after the Second World War.

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The photos are in a report commissioned by Qatar which backs

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the rebels but it was written by some of Britain's leading war crimes

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lawyers. They say such evidence would support findings of crimes

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against humanity against the current Syrian regime.

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Such evidence could also support findings of war crimes against The

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-- against the regime. I have seen a lot of this evidence. It is

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compelling and horrific. It is important that those who have

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perpetrated these crimes are one day held to account. All that doesn't

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augur well for the peace talks here where President Assad's

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representatives are due to arrive shortly. President Assad is hardly

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likely to want to negotiate his own exit if that leads to an appearance

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at the Hague. He has made it clear all along he believes these talks

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are about anything but the transition of power. For the

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opposition, that is the main order of business here. But most of the

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rebels are actually doing the fighting inside Syria aren't

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represented. Most too want an Islamic state, not a democracy. Some

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rebel groups are part of al-Qaeda. They will fight on, whatever happens

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in the talks. Meanwhile, President Assad seems to be winning. No one

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really expects a peace deal in Switzerland this week but perhaps

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it's hoped a durable ceasefire might emerge, that's something the UN

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could never achieve in three years of Syria's civil war.

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A Syrian government spokesman has told BBC World News the findings are

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not credible. The spokesman for the Syrian Information Ministry said

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many crimes were being committed in the country - and not by the

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government. And he said the forensic scientists couldn't be certain about

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the provenance of the pictures. They don't know the source of these

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photos, first of all so they are not really know these sort for whom,

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because I cannot discuss with you if you don't tell me these pictures,

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these images for who? Who are these person? We have professional killers

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in Syria from around the world, they kill Syrian people, they attack

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universities, schools, Mosques, I think who practising this kind of

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torture against people - Qatar one of the states should go to criminal

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court, not Syria. That was a spokesman for the Syrian Information

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Ministry. As we have been reporting the Geneva two talks are due to take

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place tomorrow in Switzerland. Our diplomatic correspondent is there

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and has this update. Expectations are pretty low for what

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can achieved because it's been so difficult, so tricky to get everyone

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around the table. The spectacular row which blew up yesterday over

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whether or not Iran should take part was a symptom, a reflection of how

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fragile the balance is between who is invited and who is not and who

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would say they wouldn't come if other people were here. The agenda

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is a question of discussion. The Syrian delegation before arriving

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here made clear they also want to see on the agenda the question of

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fighting extremists in Syria. It's likely when the Syrian foreign

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Minister gives his speech tomorrow he will make that part of what he

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wants to say. The opposition say the main purpose of the talks should be

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how to get rid of President Assad and they may bring up this new

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report which was released today, no doubt deliberately on the Eve of the

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talks, with all this evidence, this horrific photographic evidence which

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they will say points to the fact that there have been mass killings

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by the Syrian Government. Around the table will also be as many as 40

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other countries and international bodies and the point of having them

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there will be to endorse this process, to make it seem important,

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to try and make it harder for the two Syrian delegations to turn their

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back on it if they feel uncomfortable, if they feel what's

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being discussed isn't going their way. As for what the organisers, the

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UN Secretary General and his special envoy on Syria, what they want out

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of the conference in the long-term they would like to see a political

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settlement. But no one thinks that's going to happen quickly. In the next

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few days. Some diplomats are saying these talks, if they can continue

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and no one walks out, could go on for months, even over a year before

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there is a real substantial political solution, if at all. In

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the meantime, in the next few days what the organisers are hoping for

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is that they can launch a dialogue between the two sides to talk about

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some concrete steps which might amiliate the life of those Syrians

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displaced by the fighting. Some are in besieged areas running short of

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food and water. If at least there can be local truces agreed, or

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temporary humanitarian corridors then I think the organisers of this

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conference would consider that a real achievement.

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We will of course keep you updated. Now some of the other news.

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A car bomb has exploded in the southern suburbs of the Lebanese

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capital, Beirut, in an area which is a stronghold of the militant

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movement, Hezbollah. The Red Cross says at least four people have been

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killed and 35 injured. Local media say a suicide bomber was inside the

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car, packed with explosives. Our Middle East correspondent Jim Muir

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reports. Caught by the cameras, the moment

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the latest bomb went off in Beirut's southern suburbs. It exploded in the

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middle of a busy street, plunging the area into chaos. Cars were

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wrecked, shops and apartments had their windows blown out and some

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were set on fire. Scenes like this have become all too prominent in

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recent weeks and months here in Lebanon. This is the latest in a

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series of explosions here in the southern suburb of Beirut, an area

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largely controlled by Hezbollah and has been hit by rocket attacks and

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various other forms of aggression in the past few weeks. Hezbollah

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supporters chanted defiantly as one of their political leaders appeared

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on the scene. I asked him whether the movement would be responding to

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the attack. TRANSLATION: We have a religious,

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moral and scrupulous and values which prevent us carrying out such

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terrorist attacks. It's not in our customs, our traditions or our

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religious morals. Hezbollah later said that some of the explosives in

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the bomber's car had failed to detonate. If they had, the carnage

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could have been much worse. Now everybody's asking where will the

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bombers strike next? Some of the day's other news: French

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intelligence services have reported the discovery of a new mass grave in

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the Central African Republic. French Defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian

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described the grave as holding around 15 bodies outside the capital

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Bangui. The discovery comes a day after the CAR's transitional

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parliament elected Catherine Samba-Panza as the country's new

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interim president to replace Michel Djotodia.

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A senior cleric at the Vatican has been served with an arrest warrant

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by Italian police for money laundering and fraud. Monsignor

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Nunzio Scarano was already facing charges of trying to smuggle money

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across the Swiss border. These latest charges relate to claims he

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stole money from a home for the terminally ill to pay off his

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mortgage. The English Football Association has

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charged Nicolas Anelka with an aggravated offence following his

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controversial quenelle goal celebration last month. The West

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Brom striker has until Thursday to consider whether to contest the

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charge, which could result in a five-game ban. The Frenchman says he

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made the salute in support of comedian and friend Dieudonne M'Bala

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M'Bala and has denied it has anti-Semitic overtones.

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Football's world governing body, Fifa, has given one of the cities

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which will host matches at this year's World Cup four weeks to have

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its stadium ready - or face being dropped from the tournament. The

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Arena da Byehada in Curitiba is behind schedule after problems with

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costs and safety concerns. It's been chosen to stage four group stage

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matches, but FIFA says those games could be taken elsewhere.

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The Thai Government has declared a state of emergency to deal with the

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growing violence. It will be in force for 606 days and gives them

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wide-ranging powers to deal with the protesters who have been blockading

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the centre of the Thai capital. After two-and-a-half months of

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turmoil, the Prime Minister has finally been forced to declare a

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state of emergency. Announced here by her hard hardline Labour

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Minister. In theory, she can now deploy the Army to back the police

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in dealing with the protests which have disrupted the capital and

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threatened her hold on power. But it isn't at all clear how emergency

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rule will be applied. The last time this happened in Bangkok four years

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ago more than 90 people died when the Army put down an occupation that

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had shown increasing flashes of violence. Back then, though, the

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Army was a lot more sympathetic to the Government in power. This time

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the military has been reluctant to support a Prime Minister whose

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brother it ousted in a coup only seven years ago. And there have been

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plenty of rumours it might step in again. If it is deployed to help

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impose emergency rule, it won't be to help the Government. The

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anti-Government protesters certainly believe they have the backing of the

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military. And despite dwindling numbers they've shown no signs

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they'll give up their blockades and rallies in central Bangkok. A spate

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of recent attacks on the protesters, this man was caught on camera

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throwing a grenade which injured nearly 30, may have pushed the

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Government to act. The many weeks of chaos have emboldened armed groups

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on both sides which may now be hard to rein in. Both sides seem to have

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radical elements which the leadership can - well, the main

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group publicly reject violence but there are radicals that we can not

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really control. It's totally unacceptable. At an evening speech

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to the faithful the protest leader was predictably unimpressed by the

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Government's decree. How can it be right for this Government to use a

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state of emergency against us, he asked? Come and get us, we're not

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afraid. But this deadlock is imposing a heavy cost on Thailand.

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Emergency rule now casts another shadow over the general election

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scheduled for less than two weeks' time. In Ukraine, protests are

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getting out of control, according to the Foreign Minister. Sergei Lavrov

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described violent clashes between anti-government protesters and

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police as scary. He has also accused EU politicians of stirring up the

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situation. Tuesday saw an uneasy stand-off on the streets of Kiev.

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That was after a second consecutive night of clashes. Let's go to Kiev,

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to speak to Daniel Sandford. Bring us up to date with what the mood is

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like. As you can see, there is a concert going on with a few hundred

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people. Mercifully, the first time in two nights, there are no clashes,

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as far as we can tell, at the bottom of the street reading up to the

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Parliament. We have seen a couple of pretty violet nights with lots of

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people injured, several people have lost their eyes from stun grenades

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and plastic bullets. Tonight, there does not seem to be violence at

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present. That means we have now had about 12 hours in Kiev which have

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been relatively violence free. I guess a lot of anticipation and

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concerned about these new protest laws that will come into effect on

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Wednesday. Yes, there is the potential flash point tomorrow. I do

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not think anyone can deny that. Large numbers of people are believed

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to be heading to Kiev tomorrow, in order to complain about those new

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protest laws. There were published in an official newspaper today, they

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come into force tomorrow. These laws ban things like the stage down

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there, the tents, which are a traditional part of the process, and

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also, the wearing of helmets and masks, something which people were

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doing long before these clashes broke out. So I think it is

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definitely a potential flash point, it could be that everyone is

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exhausted after those 36 hours of rioting, or it could be that they

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are preparing themselves for a difficult day tomorrow.

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We will continue to monitor that. Let's stop to Gianni Magazzeni, from

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the UN Human Rights Office in Geneva. Thank you for speaking to

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us. We heard Daniel in EEF, talking about concern over tomorrow's new

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laws. -- Daniel in Kiev. That is an area you have flagged up. Yes. It

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concern has been expressed about those laws that will be passed,

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because they seem to fall short of vision for international German

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rights treaties, that Ukraine has actually ratified. I think we are

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concerned about the fact it will limit the rights of freedom of

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association, as well as freedom of expression. There are also issues

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with broadening the scope to cover violations by law-enforcement, or

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criminalise defamation. These are issues that great concern with

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respect to the legal obligations in Ukraine. These have been

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international human rights treaties, which Ukraine ratified. We are also

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concerned about the penalties, including risen sentences for

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violations of the new laws. I know you want Viktor Yanukovych to

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suspend the application of these laws, have you had any communication

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with the Ukrainian government you Mac the government here has suddenly

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received the communication, the press statement, we have been in

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touch. Also with our colleagues on the ground in Kiev. The critical

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issue is that as the High Commissioner has said, urgent

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constructive dialogue, but one that will be inclusive and sustained over

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time, and for it to succeed, it is essential that this dialogue would

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be based on full respect for international human rights law. I

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think, interestingly, there are also political commitments that Ukraine

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has made, as recently as March 2013, and it has undergone what we call a

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universal review, where every single member state of the UN has provided

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comments to Ukraine, regarding it human rights situation, and laws and

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practices. Interesting to note, some of these recommendations also

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included the question of addressing the police impunity, or enhancing

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the legislation that provides for the freedom of assembly. All of that

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means that if we look at the root causes of the ongoing

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demonstrations, I think addressing the human rights concerns, doing so

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hand-in-hand with Ukraine Government, and whether sustained

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and constructive dialogue, inclusive, with all other parties,

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that may result in action that would eventually remove some of the

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concerns. Jannie Mages any, sorry to interrupt, but we are out of time.

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-- Gianni Magazzeni. Thank you for coming on to talk to us.

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2014 is the year that Scotland votes on independence from the UK, it is

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not really part of Europe where independence debate is raging.

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Catalonia is scheduled to hold a referendum in November, although the

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central government in Madrid says any vote is illegal and will be

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blocked. The campaigns for independence in Catalonia and

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Scotland have much in common, that also some key differences, as Alan

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Little reports. Once, the Catalan language was

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banned in schools here. Now, Catalan children grow up with a national

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identity distinct from the rest of Spain. The hilltop town has declared

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itself a free Catalan territory. A symbolic repudiation of its Spanish

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heritage. The government in Spain see that it is real, this feeling

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that we have for our dream. Catalonia will be independent.

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Support for independence is growing here. This demonstration in

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September 2012 attracted more than 1 million people. Scotland has seen

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nothing like this. Spain says it will block November's referendum as

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illegal. Catalonia's resident, Artur Mas, said he admires the more

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pragmatic approach of David Cameron. With the British mentality. This is

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to say, if you have a nation, Scotland or Catalonia, you have in

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this nation abroad majority of the population that is asking for a

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referendum, asking for real democracy, what you have to do? To

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sit at a table, to talk about that, to reach agreements, and to let

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people vote. This is the British way. There is another big difference

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between Scotland and Catalonia. In Scotland, support for independence

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has been pretty solid, at around 30%, arguably for decades. In

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Catalonia, it has shot up to 50% in the last few years. Many

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anti-independence campaigners believe that it is a short-term

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response to a short-term economic crisis, but one which could have

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profound and irreversible long-term consequences.

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Opponents of the referendum want tough action from Spain, to rein in

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Catalonia. We could, for instance, suspend the autonomy, we hope it is

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not a scenario. But in any case, our Constitution, our democratic

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constitution, it's us -- gives us some tools to stop illegal misuse.

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But the popular mood seems unmistakable. In a country when even

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eight-year-olds chant for independence, Spain's refusal to

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grant a referendum risks wishing more and more Catalans into the

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independence camp. How do you listen to your music, on

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a radio or a record player, via download or do use a bleak stream?

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Listening directly over the internet is increasingly popular, with super

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successful Swedish company Spotify claiming more than 24 million new

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users worldwide. Today, it gets a major new rival, American rapper and

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producer Dr Dre, the mind behind Beats headphones, is launching a

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rival streaming service in the US called Beats Music. Let's find out

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more with Dave Lee. Just explain to us what is going on. For awhile,

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Spotify has been the main player in the streaming industry. Until now,

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it has not Billy had a competitor that is kind of cool and will be

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seen as a major rival. But now, Dr Dre, using his hedge fund brand that

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we see all over the place -- headphone brand, has launched this

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platform. The first time we have seen a well-known brand challenging

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Spotify's domination. Even I know that Dr Dre is cool. The result was

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a concern about royalties and how the artists get paid, what is the

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situation with this new Beats Music company? The problem the streaming

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services have is impaired to buying music, the money artists get is

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tiny. So, the battle that many websites have is to try and help

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them make money through other ways. Like suggesting concerts that people

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can go to, suggesting merchandise they can buy. That is the battle.

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Convincing the artists it is worth having their music on these

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services, instead of not being on them and just being able to buy the

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physical CD. That is the main area. Some artists, they have ruled out of

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Spotify. The artists by this new company, do you think? That is Dr

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Dre's selling point. He ready has contacts, he can get people on this

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platform. What about this other, Jim .com? He is fighting extradition to

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the US for copyright theft. He has launched his competitor. The only

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album on that is his own album. So it is not being seen as a major

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player yet, but who knows? He may turn out to be won. But the main

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rival is Dr Dre. Spotify remains to be the key one here. Weekly, do we

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know how many bands, how much is it, that Beats Music will have on

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it? At the back of the main selling point is not so much the size of the

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database, what Beats Music hopes is its selling point is this ability of

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musicians they have on board to recommend, they are humans doing it.

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It is otherwise quite mechanical, but eats music is watch more human.

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That should be there selling point. -- Beats Music. I know you have

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written something on the website, so you can check out more on that. For

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now, from me, Kasia Madera, and the rest of the team, goodbye.

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Slowly, we continue to see this and of rain across western areas pushing

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East. Showing up here on the pressure chart. Moving

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