06/04/2016 The One Show

Hell o and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones and Matt Baker. Paul

O'Grady is going to be here and Ian Hislop is popping in. I think we

should stop talking and get in studio. Run the titles.

Can we put the music on please? I think there is a hitch.

Can we put the music on please? I have brought my violin. And a few

friends. MUSIC.

APPLAUSE APPLAUSE. There you go. Fantastic, a big thank

you to Alex and the competitor foster Menuhin come pep pigs

fission, we will hear more later on. Let us meet the guest, one has been

exploring his own musical talents. -- competition.

Super job. The other one doesn't mind-blowing his own trumpet. Please

welcome Ian Hislop and Paul O'Grady. Good to see you. Wait a minute, wait

a minute. No, no, Mr Paul O'Grady is banned from this show, dough you

remember? Get security. Security please I am tagged and I have had a

reprieve. I have a tag on. Hit the news and everything. Please! No fun

show. I never said that. We were so upset. ? There was a question I was

asked. And something, and I go into a rant, you know what it is like, I

am easy wound up. It is live tonight, you can have another one.

Please, no. You might have trouble with me and Ian. We had a look

through the file of banned One Show guests but it turns out it is empty.

There should be a few people in there, without naming names. You are

not bad on that violin. Thanks Paul. ? You are good. To be fair you have

yourself in a few spats in your time, Ian. Yes I am offended I am

not banned from this show! I feel inadequate. What is your most

memorable ban? I am not allowed to sit on a jury, because, can you

imagine it, I was found guilty of contempt of court! Seems unlikely

doesn't it. But I am not trustworthy. Oh. Right. A few things

I am not allowed on. S we want to see you back. Now then airport

security is in the spotlight after the recent attack in Brussels with

some asking whether checks should be made before you even go through the

front door. Anita has been finding out how lightly that is and what

other changes might be coming our way.

-- likely. For nearly 50 year, as those looking

to spread terror change their methods, airport security round the

world has had to adapt too. In Brussels, it was people checking in

for flights that were targeted. At airports across Europe we are

used to be being able to walk into a check-in area and come and go as we

please, even if we are just there to see someone off. Since the terror

attacks? Belgium some are suggesting that security needs to begin outside

the front door. Across from London City Airport, at

the University of East London I meet up with the former head of the

national counter-terrorism security office, Chris Philps.

At the moment the security is basically aimed at protecting the

aeroplane and not protecting the terminal. So maybe we need to look

at only those that have tickets to fly being allowed to come into the

terminal and also they have their baggage screened prior to getting

into the terminal. Yes, it will take longer, but I think it is a price we

have to pay perhaps if we want secure terminalst So you suggest if

you are not flying you are not allowed in, so you have to say

goodbye to your loved ones outside That is the norm elsewhere. It is

something we will have to get used to. Many airports in India, the

Middle East, Africa and South East Asia routinely screen pass Serb jers

before they ten the airport. But some experts favour other

option, Philip has 30 years of experience in airport security, he

believes passenger profiling and behavioural science are the most

effective defences. We ought to be focussing much or on

people as they enter the buildings, as they are milling round public

concourse, and when we see somebody doesn't quite match our expectations

we should be focussing on them, rather than screening everybody in

the same way. OK, well, we have a still up behind you of the suspected

Brussels airport bomber, what stands out for you? When you look at this

image you see two of the individuals are wearing one glove, all three

people have check luck gang but none have hand baggage, that is very

unusual in an airport environment. To see what he mean, we have set up

a makeshift One Show airport terminal and filled it with actors

as would be travellers. Tell me what you see One of the fist things is

you have people in summer dress, but you have two individuals here, that

are dressed somewhat unseasonably for the flight. These two

individuals who are not communicating with each other

either, just seem to be very focussed, standing in line, seems a

bit unusual. Maybe a justifiable reason for it but that is why I

would want to have a chat with them. Hold on, can you pause that one, we

have two people here, on their mobile phone, wearing the same

shirts, in the same jeans, carrying more or less the same baggage, why

aren't they travelling together? Why is that suspicious? Whether there is

covert contact between people who might be part of a team, they may

just be wearing the same type of dress. Let us ask the question. What

happens then? It is one thing to identify unusual behaviour, then you

have to know how to respond to it. If you think you have guilt a

suicide bomber in front of you, then, questioning may not be the

right answer. It is then how you actually manage the area round them,

how do you protect as many people as possible.

Philip says this is about looking for the unusual, not racial

profiling, of course, our suspects are actors but how would real

passenger feel about being scrutinised this this way? I feel

like there is a thin line with that. In what sense? If you look a certain

type of way you may get stopped and some have experienced that before.

Because we are of colour, often times you get more victimised I

believe. It is important we don't sacrifice personal freedoms because

we don't feel safe. That is when the terrorists win. What about the idea

you may have extra security checks? I wouldn't feel offends, if I can

prevent something bad happening. How would you feel you weren't allowed

in the you didn't have a valid ticket. I don't think that would be

acceptable. One of the great things about picking up loved ones and

friend. The experts believe changes in airport security after Brussels

are inn tab. The one thing the terrorists can't plot their way

round of is a whole team of people that are observing behaviours in

every area of the airport and indeed onboard the aircraft. We need to

understand that the terrorist threat is evolving, so we have to think

ahead of them and try to stop it from happening, but that will mean

everyone not only airports adapting their security measures.

So since Brussels then, what changes have been made to tighten security?

We spoke to eight airports across the UK and five said they have

increased their police presence, three said they didn't want to tell

us, understandably, the Department for Transport told us they are

constantly reviewing all their security measures for but what is

interesting, are things that could come in. So we could see more

sniffer dogs, we know they have that incredible sense of smell. Not the

fact they could incredible sense of smell. Not the

devices and drug, they are a incredible sense of smell. Not the

deterrent in themselves because they are unpredictable, just their

presence. They have them are unpredictable, just their

Australia and New Zealand. More undercover police, they will be in

among us, training up people undercover police, they will be in

work in the airport. 76,000 people work in the airport. 76,000 people

city. Everyone from cleaning staff, to people who work in restaurants,

city. Everyone from cleaning staff, they should and shouldn't be looking

out for, they should and shouldn't be looking

we have fingerprint recognition and voice recognition, we could see

facial recognition being used. It is already in some airports just to

look at how the flow of people, how fast you can get people through

security, at the moment facial recognition is contentious but in

the future you could have people on a watch list, if you see them, you

could match them up. lots of potential security measures.

Do you both feel on edge when you go airports? Paul, you have just got

back from Borneo. It doesn't bother me. I sort of welcome these security

checks. Yes. It is a pain in the neck, belt off, watch off and I

still get frisked. Are you one of them...? Every now and again, I

think how do you do it to me all the time. I am all for it. It is keeping

us safe. I can't do with people who forget to take liquids out. I feel

like saying for God's sake. We know the drill. Let us make it easy for

ourselves. As long as people don't overreabout and we are terrified the

whole time, then I think you have lost the plot. If it is routine and

it makes you feel safer, that is all right. What about not taking your

family? Again I think they are shifting the front

family? Again I think they are further out. Then it becomes the

family? Again I think they are a point where you are going on a

flight. They have to find is. We touched on racial profiling

in the piece, what is your personal view? The argument is if you know a

threat is coming, or you think a threat is coming from a particular

community you would more likely to target that, every person I have

talked to who is not white fears this could target them, it opens up

the potential for abuse, it makes people feel victimised, talk to

anybody Irish in the '70s and 80 how they felt or anybody in a hijab or

Asian with a rucksack and a beard getting on the tube. As soon as you

start fearing the person or your suspicious of the person sitting

next to you, purely based on what they look like the terrorists have

won, they are breeding suspicion, and breaking down the fundamentals

of society, society, racial profiling I would

of society, society, racial there, it is a lot more nuanced than

just... A certain amount of commonsensed. People saying I love

your show, why are you searching me? I It is odd. They say where

your show, why are you searching me? little dog? So I go, if you root

hard enough you might find it. Thank you Anita.

Virtual reality is the latest trend in the world of computer gaming with

a whole host of headsets being released this year. As Lucy has been

finding out it has more serious applications as well.

This is Karen, now that is not an affectionate name for a new piece of

kit, it stands for computer assisted rehabilitation environment. And here

in Salford it is helping change the lives of people suffering from

various neurological and orthopaedic conditions.

Sylvia is a neurophysiotherapist at the brain charity Basic. How does

the system work? It has a dual belt treadmill, ten cameras and five

projectors so it enables us to analyse what they are doing. What

sole it to you? Initially I was sceptical, but the more and more

clients that we are seeing now, the more we are seeing good results.

Sophie was just 11 when she had a stroke. Now, 17, she is the

charity's youngest client. Does it feel like you are outside, that you

are in the forest Yes, some time, you see the flowers and the houses,

there is a house there, but I really like it. Are there things you can do

now that you couldn't have dreamed of doing a few years ago? When I was

ill, I was really struggling, getting ready for PE, you see, but

now, later on I can do more better. I feel more confident, working this,

than anybody, and feel like real improved myself.

Tell me about how you have used this system, particularly with dementia

sufferers. We will never get them better, we know that, but what we

are hoping for them to achieve is that perhaps we can plateau that

stage, certainly for a fair number of years if possible. But we want to

give them the empowerment. Many used to be able to walk in the woods

before, not being able to do that whereas they go on the virtual

reality and all of a sudden they are back there where they could walk

safely, so we hope we would improve their wellbeing, their quality of

life through it. This is his fifth session using the

Karen system. Is there anything important about doing this in a

woodland scene? It's just beautiful scenery to be looking at, you

probably find he's not even aware of the scene at the moment. Obviously

with this application we have bats to hit away but it would be too much

to have that interference. We are heading for a cottage, is it

important to have something to aim for? It is and people's expectations

vary. One lady said she expected to see a coffee shop or ice cream

parlour. I was thinking tea. This is the longest he has walked on one

time. There has been a lot of research done in Israel and

Amsterdam, about pain relief and phobias. Certainly with veterans and

amputees. As far as you are concerned is virtual reality for

health care here to stay? I want to say that it would be an extra tool

kit for therapists. Yes, it will be here to stay. That is just

unbelievable. When you think that so much time can be wasted on gaming

and you see something like that and how much good it can do. Even you

can see the good in it. Absolutely. Some good news.

You may remember we featured 13 year old Zara who has leukemia

and her life-saving search for a blood stem cell

Thousands of people signed up, a match has been found

and she'll be having treatment in the next few weeks.

A big thanks to everyone who registered and good luck Zara.

If you'd like the register to be a potential donor go to our website

Paul we mentioned it earlier - you've been to Borneo

for your latest series of 'Animal Orphans'.

While he was there he fell in love. I did. You are not a Christmas

ornament, you have to do this when you are in the wild. It must be

tough for him as he is still getting used to life without his mother. You

want to come back, do you? There you go. Have a nice cuddle. Is that

better? Or you like that? APPLAUSE -- do you like that? I'm sorry to

take this footage off, but you nail it, you can't not like it. I now

know the meaning of love at first sight. The lady who runs it is

English and went out for a holiday and saw what's going on. She has put

everything into the orangutan rehabilitation centre and she says

that he's not normally very good with strangers but me and Archie

clicked. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't hand him over. There were

other orphans there as well. He was just bestial? He was in the

youngest, he is one, he was found on the forest floor. -- he was just

special? It was magic. The way I would be bottle-feeding him and I

would think, I'm not coming home, I want to live in the jungle with

Archie. Even Ian's face softened. I'm trying to resist! URL and in my

reputation again! I'm not used smiling. Are you a bit of a sucker

with cute animals? Yes... Well, I got account. He's called Colin. -- I

got a cat. He sounds like he's in middle management. Let's talk about

Pica because she is a little gibbon who had been orphaned as well. Tell

us about her. She had never climbed before and they were trying to get

her to climb the tree and they had no luck and they said to me, you

have a go and she went up the tree for some unknown reason. All I said

was, go on, don't be hanging round up here and she went. You like

Doctor Doolittle! You do have remarkable affinity with animals.

There would be also walks, rats, mice, guinea pigs in the airing

cupboard. I have always got on well with them. I was talking about

animal instincts. If you were an animal what would you be? Everyone

was asking what I was on about and I said I would be a dear, and silence

fell across the room. You know where I'm coming from? I would be one of

those mad pigeons rooting around in a bin. Or a one eyed cat or

something with mange. What a place it is, Borneo. It is so diverse, not

just the rainforest but marine life. Yes, and very hot. 48 degrees and we

had to wear rubber gloves, surgical masks and wellies in case we gave

the animals anything because they have no immune system. I was dying

in the heat. You forget when you have the likes of Archie and the

baby turtles and all of this. You would stand on a barbecue, frankly,

just to get a cuddle. They were amazing. The turtles. We sailed to

this island across the South China Sea. You can only go at a certain

time because it is invested with pirates. -- infested. You take the

eggs and bury them until they hatch and then you released them so the

predators don't get them. Only one in 10,000 survive. That's not great

odds, really. I'm talking to them, now, UB Cavill! Don't talk to the

sharks or any big fish. Behaviour self. -- you, be careful. Is that

why they breed so many? -- behave yourself. When they hatch it is like

bubbling oil, it is like alchemy, you put your finger in the sand and

all of a sudden hundreds of baby turtles are going in a bucket, they

are everywhere. You just think, aren't we lucky being able to do

this? Normally you're not as a tourist allowed to get stuck in. It

was just bliss. If, like Paul, you're are thinking

of going away on an exotic trip - one of the most important decisions

you have to make is what How many choices do you have? It is

very limited, I have to say. A choice that can cause more

controversy than you might think. Some high street stores are now

selling a three piece swimsuit commonly referred to as a burkini

which covers all of the body except the face, hands and feet. What's

which covers all of the body except the fuss about? It has got political

with the women's rights minister I'm in Bradford with Jackie and

Charlie to find out which garment people think enslaves women more.

The burkini, or the bikini? Let's go and find out, girls. I can see you

eyeing up our models, which would you prefer? I am Asian

eyeing up our models, which would know a lot of Asian women who would

not show their body to anybody. I can wear bikinis but

not show their body to anybody. I cover myself up it would

not show their body to anybody. I it is enslaving women in anyway,

locking their bodies away? I don't think it's wrong for them to cover

their body. It's down think it's wrong for them to cover

themselves and how they feel. It has been called the Islamic Asian

fashion. What do you think about that? I did not realise it was a

garment, I thought she was a green screen person! I genuinely thought

that's what she was. What do you think about high street stores

stocking them? It opens up the market for other cultures and if

you're not so comfortable with your body in public, you would not wear a

bikini, you would go for the burkini. Being a Muslim girl you

have to cover yourself up and not flaunt your body, but I don't think

it's just for Muslims, anyone who is not comfortable in a bikini or a

1-piece, they could wear a burkini. There has been a bit of criticism

about the burkini and it was said that it is the Islamification

fashion. It depends on the individual, if she is comfortable to

go swimming, that's fine. As long as she is fully covered. What message

does she give out when wearing a bikini? Look at me. Which outfit

would you feel more free in? In the bikini. I would not go on a beach

looking like that. You are fully covered, you won't get a suntan!

Which outfit would you feel more freedom in? This is more free, if I

was just with my girls, but if I was with other people I did not know,

then I would wear this. I think it is both, they are choosing what they

want to wear themselves. A lot of people say they want women to have

the same rights as men but they still say things that make a woman

field as though she is trapped or not have the same rights as a man.

Use a bunch of someone based on what they wear. It is down to them what

they wear rather than how they choose to have their appearance.

Brave girls walking through that shopping centre! Thank you. I would

love to see you in a bikini. LAUGHTER

Anyway... Maybe later! Tomorrow sees the start of the violin Olympics

call the men win competition. It was started by getting in when himself.

-- Yehudi Menuhin. Designed for people for whom

the word 'prodigy' was invented, it's one of the most prestigious

competitions for young Competitors travel from across

the globe to take part and, as you saw earlier, 21 of them have

joined us in the studio tonight. We're going to chat the three Brits

taking part in a moment. But first here are the competitors

in the junior category with a excerpt from Enesku's

'Ballade.' APPLAUSE

Incredible standard. We're joined now by the three

British competitors - all in the senior category -

Mathilde, Louisa and Juliette. It's nice to see you. We know that

this is a very prestigious competition but explain to us why it

is so important to compete. It's the most prestigious competition in the

world for young violinists and it is also the centenary this year which

makes it extra special. I was in the audience the last time it was held

in London, ten years ago, with my mum. It means a lot to be on the

other side. How does the competition work? How do you compete as a

violinist? What are the stages, Louisa? There are three rounds but

before then there is a DVD round so you want apply by submitting -- so

if you want to apply you can submit a DVD. How many hours a day do you

practice? We have seen a lot of you practising and some of you have got

marks, indentations from the violin, so it is pretty full on? Especially

when you are preparing for a competition, I can imagine most

people would spend 5-7 hours a day. It's very difficult. We have so much

repertoire to get through. If you end up doing so much less, there is

something that falls behind. Absolutely. Will you play it all or

are you knocked out in certain rounds so you don't get to play

everything you have prepared? There are three rounds and everyone will

play the first round and it hard to each time for each round. Is it all

so low? There is actually a string trio in the second round, and some

solo pieces and some with piano and orchestra in the final round at the

Southbank centre. How can you remain calm? This is the thing. It's

tricky. This is the finest violinists in the world. What a shot

technique? Preparation is key. It's been amazing to meet everyone today

and make friends quite quickly. It's great.

You supporting each other because you are the Brits in the competition

You are in the same category but there is a definite sense of

friendship and being in it together, I think. And I mean, as we were

saying competitors come from all over the world. Some are just ten in

London, it is remarkable, but the prize, I mean as well, you get a

money prize, we will keep quiet about that, but I guess the honour

of playing the most remarkable violin, probably on the planet as

well. The Stradivarius. Well, you tell us what you know, because you

girl, it is such a prize isn't it, in terms of how expensive the violin

is, and how old it is. Do you know those facts. They are priceless. It

is 300 years old this one, apparently. Be careful. Don't put it

by me! This is a moment. We saw you at the top playing, you have been a

keen violinist and to be close to something so precious. To be so

close to one is quite something, they have said I am allowed to

unveil it but we have to wear gloves because it is worth 5 million. There

was a store riff a violinist who left one on the bus. Can you

imagine! I just forgot it! Like it was my coat. Ready girls. This is

it? So this could be your instrument. I will just pull it off.

I we will do a. There we are. There we are. Have a little look.

We are only joking. It is not the actual one. You don't say! The

artistic director of the Menuhin competition. Goodness me, we hope it

is you, we hope all of the contestants, have a big round of

applause. For everybody in the competition. And you will play us

out at the end. If you are interested in watching the

competition, it starts tomorrow, runs until 17th April. It is

streamed online, there is more information on our website. Now, in

a moment, we are going to hear all about Ian's latest documentary, and

this time, it is on benefits. First David Olusoga reveals how Rudyard

Kipling's last Will and testament had unintended consequences that

would have left his turning in his grave.

Rudyard Kipling is probably best known for his children's work, for

jungle book and the just so stories but the man and his writing will

forever be associated with the British Empire. And the same is true

of his last wishes. Rudyard Kipling died in 1936, at the

age of 70. He was one of the most popular and prolific writers of his

time and his work had made his wealthy.

He leaves his house and person Aleppo sessions to his wife,

Caroline. Most of the rest goes into trust, to be invested and provide an

income for his family until they die. Then the trust was to pass to

the institution known as the fair bridge farm schools incorporated and

it was divided between the Australian and Canadian branches of

that body. The schools were founded by Kinsley

fair bridge, his aim was to help children from poor families, in

unhealthy British inner city slums but sending them to schools in

sparsely populated parts of the empire.

They would be given an education to prepare them fire their new lives as

much-needed farmers. Kipling wrote his will here at his beautiful home

in Sussex. Kipling's own childhood, how did

that feed into his interest in this scheme? Think it is strange because

Kipling had a traumatic experience himself when he was young, when he

was age sings he was sent away from his parents back here to Britain for

an English education him and his younger sister were abused. They you

would ex egt expect him to run away there this scheme but kneels that

made him the man he became. So what does he want for the children?

Kipling was a great supporter of the underclass, I think this is an

opportunity for him to say these people here are not being well

looked after, maybe this is a way for them too, to get a brand-new

life and move on and flourish in a new existence.

But despite the promise of a new life, many children didn't flourish.

Margaret set up the child migrant's trust to campaign for the more than

130,000 children Britain has sent overseas, with schemes like that

one. Can you imagine it a five-year-old being placed o a boat

and sent to the other side of the world? Education was almost

nonexistent. Girls were particularly used as slaves and the boys as well.

There are some parents who gave consent, they were manoeuvred into

thinking this was the best thing for their child.

Many never saw their families again. But over the last 28 years the

charity has reunited thousands of families, ripped apart by child

migration. These children, what were they told

had happened to their families They were told their parents were dead,

that they were orphans and this was a new opportunity for a new life. Do

you think Rudyard Kipling saw this as a good cause, a worthy cause?

Well, I would like to think that, but certainly did they fail to

regulate and protect the children, of course. Rudyard Kipling's bequest

contributed to a tragic legacy. His faith in empire was so great that

the man who has brought happiness into the lives of generations of

children, after his death inadvertently sent thousands of

British kids to lives of misery, on the other side of the world.

Thanks to the work of the child migrants trust, some of the damage

is now finally being undone. Such a sad story and thanks you

David. If you want to find out more, there is details on The One Show

website. Ian, let us talk about your new documentary. Yes. All about

benefit, we think of this as a modern political hot potato but that

term t it goes way back according to your work. The extraordinary thing

about the Cabinet falling apart and this crisis blowing up again,

arguing about which benefits are appropriate, whether we can afford

them, you think, that is this year, in fact we have been having the same

argument in Britain for hundreds of years, and my documentary is a look

at British attitudes to work, poverty, and benefits. And the

British people react in the same way, so they start off, someone

says, this costs a lot of money and a lot of it is unfair, these people

are doing nothing, everyone goes yes, that is right. Then they bring

in the measures and people go, oh my God, look what they are doing! That

is really unfair, we hate you. And this repeats itself as a cycle. So,

I was looking at there is a man called Edwin Chadwick, a classic

Victorian who thought the poor, I can solve this problem, I will study

it, I will look at them and come up with a solution, his solution was

the work house. Which nowadays we all think my God, the work house,

how terrible. At the time people thought that was sensible. People do

work, they are all in the same place so they are not doing nothing, you

feed them, clothe them and that will be good, as we know it didn't turn

out very well. And Chadwin, Chadwick became a sort of hate figure, that

is what happens to people on the whole who try and do benefit reform,

they end up with people loathing them. And I followed this true.

True.-of-threw. There is wonderful stories about people try Iing to

solve the problem, coming up withed yes, the ideas crunch, we go back to

the start. And there is a wonderful, lady who history has forgotten, she

was called Maggie, a tough politician, not that one! She was

Labour, the first woman Cabinet Minister, and she came from a

working class background and she spent her whole life trying to make

conditions for the poor better, she found herself in a cabinet which

said we haven't got enough money to pay, we can't pay the unemployment

benefit, which way are you going to vote. She voted for austerity. And

history has dump her and completely forgotten her, I mean, the point of

my documentary is to try and say, we have these arguments, we say more or

less the same things... This is the interesting thing, it hasn't changed

at all. No it is one of those problem, at a certain point all of

us think we would like to help the poor. We would like to help the

Victorians had category, the deserving and the undeserving poor.

And we now say, well that is appalling, but there is a bit of all

of us who when someone says give us some money we think, well, are you

going to use this well? There is a wonderful story of Dickens and a

friend and a beggar says give us some money and Dicken gives him

some. His friend says he is going to spend it on drink and Dickens said

what do you think we a going to do with it. You see Iain Duncan Smith

and he talks candidly about meeting this young girl, who is on benefit,

she 19 and he tells you how she reminded him of his own daughter.

Let us look at that. I remember thinking simply, this is my

daughter. I am sorry I got emotional. 19 years old... My

aspiration for my daughter was boundless. And here I am sitting

with a 19-year-old girl, who had written off her life and had no

aspiration and no self worth, she was a product of the system, my

point was, what could I have done, what would we do to change her life?

So that the heart as well as head. Yes. You must have believed him

there. Again it is extraordinary going to see a serving cabinet

minister in his office, I am asking questions about the poor reform in

Victorian era and he starts crying, I had no idea, and I thought well

maybe if it had been Blair or someone, maybe he had been repairing

the tears for years, you know, that sounds unfair but... You can see it

is genuine. I suddenly thought he has been caricatured as a monster,

after the bedroom tax and a lot of the reforms he put through and

suddenly you think, well, are you genuinely trying to do something,

and are you in fact much like is some of these Victorian reformers

who the intention started well and the result was disastrous, it was

very interesting to watch him. I mean, I have been accused of being

callous, someone said did you try and comfort him. I thought no, it is

Iain Duncan Smith. It was interesting to watch him though,

obviously he was trying to let his emotion come forward but then he

would go into his political talk and be emotional again. I had no idea,

that three months later, the very topic, are you helping the poor, or

are you targeting the poor and helping the rich? The very thing he

resigned from in the Cabinet he was welling up over there, so it was an

extraordinary moment. Yes, there is a lot of incredible information,

certainly worth a watch, Workers Or Shirkers is on tomorrow. BBC Two at

8.00. If there is one thing that the Victorians were good at it was

engineering and the Forth Bridge, see it there in its glory was one of

the celebrated achievements. Marty has been following a five year

project. This is the majestic Firth of Forth

outside Edinburgh. Spanning this stretch of water has presented a

challenge to engineers for hundreds of years.

And now, the newest edition, the ?1.35 billion Queen's ferry crossing

road bridge, has reached a crucial phase. We have been following its

progress for the last three year, I back in 2013 I witnessed the

construction of the foundations deep under water, how far down are we? We

are at minus 14, so 14 metres under the water level. And building of the

towers. Then a year-and-a-half ago, I saw the installation of the first

via duct, to connect the land to the bridge. Now the bridge is at a

critical point. They have to lay the decking that will carry the cars

from one side to the other. But rather than building it from the

shorelines in to the middle they are building it from the tower, out

wards. That is because the bridge has to be tall enough for ships to

pass under, and wide enough to cross the water. To achieve that, the

bridge deck has to be suspended high above the water, between three

central towers, with each section of deck added one by one. It is a

delicate balancing act. To demonstrate this I am going to

build my very own tower, using these wooden blocks then add the road deck

to my tower one segment at a time. These represent these huge steel

lumps, one of which is behind me. If I start attaching them like this,

all well and good so far, if I now attach a second part of the bridge,

here, I will attach it like this, as soon as I let the weight go on it

not so good. However, there is an clever

engineering solution. This time, I am going to add a piece of the

decking first on one side, and then on the other and that should keep

the tower balanced. I am quite pleased with that. Easy

for me to say with small wooden block, but slightly more of a

challenge when each deck section weighs 750 tonnes. And the job of

carrying the weight of these sections rests entirely on some

super-strength cables, made up of lots of tightly bound strands.

Jonathan Davies is one of the lead engineers on the project. So this is

one of the strands, several wires inside The Strand. So this is steel?

Steel, very high ten Sewell steel. How many strands are in a cable?

This one here, we have 79 strands. Each deck section is held in place

by just two cables. Less than 300 cables will hold the

entire weight of the bridge. How many of these have you got to

do? We have erected 50 and we have another 70 to go. Lots of work yet.

Once completed this will be the tallest bridge in the UK. And the

longest bridge of its type in the world. If the Scottish weather is

willing they will have traffic on it by the end of the year. When they

do, we will be back to take a look at the completion of this monumental

feat of engineering. Thank you, Marty. Incredible pictures. We would

love to open that on the One Show. It would be a nice day out for us.

where the British Steel Industry is under threat, you can't help

wondering how much British Steel is being used to build that bridge.

Well, we asked Transport for Scotland.

And although there is some British steel being used -

7,000 tonnes - the vast majority - 35,000 tonnes was produced

Did they ask them? That's what they have told us and we will have to

leave it there. Nick Hewer was the marketing man

behind some of Lord Sugar's biggest successes -

but here at the One Show we don't No - we've given him the taks

of changing the way we think about some of Britain's

least popular wildlife. He's already worked

his magic on rats, Look at these beautiful things. We

love rats, don't we?! And now he's turning his attention

to the much maligned magpie. I'm on a mission to use my

experience in marketing and PR to attempt a rebranding campaign for

some of our least popular wildlife. Today's subject is the magpie. It's

a very superstitious bird. In a 40 year career I have never worked with

a product associated with bad luck. This is going to be a real

challenge. I'm interested in where this deep rooted dislike of magpies

came from. The British hatred of the magpie can be traced back to

Shakespearean times, and age steeped in superstition and witchcraft. To

get to the truth about this, I have come to meet an expert. And Jock the

magpie. Look at those beautiful colours. From a distance it is

black-and-white but look at the gorgeous green tail. Beautiful

metallic blue bits, really gorgeous. Lovely. I have got to persuade the

British public to see magpies in a different light. They seem just do

think they steal shiny things. There are lots of myths about magpies,

they are not particularly bothered by shiny things. The enthusiasm is

winning me over but what is our strategy for winning over the

public? I'm convinced that these birds are beautiful, full of

character and have bags of personality but the many British

people they are just evil little gremlins and to change that

perception we need a campaign to persuade people to empathise with

magpies. All that most people ever see of magpies is a black-and-white

flash. To make them take a closer look we need a catchy advert. I have

enlisted this director. What are we after? Beauty, colour, intelligence.

Maybe come up with one word all lying to exude the character of the

magpie. We could animate them slightly to make them seem filmic.

Do I really have a greater affection for the birds than before? I don't

know that I do. It is standing there, looking at you with its sharp

beak and little black eyes. There is no music on it at the moment. I

think the music will bring a lot to it. We have been playing with a few

different ideas, some of them better than others. No. It's no good having

a great rolling tone of Mahler, it has two somehow mirror the

personality of the bird which is a bit sharp. Mahler goes for the

heart, does electronic music go for the head? We have got to love this

bird. The pressure is on but we soon find something that hits the mark. I

think you have nailed it. Beautifully shot. There is the

colour in there, the intelligence and integrity, the whole thing. It's

time to invite the public to come and view the finished film. Here it

is. So, Hazzard filmed on the trick? I

did not see them as very nice birds, really. -- has our film? The colours

looked really pretty. It is just an old wives tale, then stealing shiny

things. They are graceful little birds. I thought it was beautiful

and in fact I watched it twice. Next time you see a magpie, take a closer

look and think, one for joy. You always have dissolute magpies. Do

you salute? I spit in my hand. It's embarrassing on the train. People

look at me! You need that facemask back on. No, they are beautiful but

I do like them. Have we changed your mind? I would freak out and if one

came in the house it would be the end of me. Ian, are you constantly

looking for a second one? Yes, but I quite like magpies and I played one

when I was 11 in a school production. Good laughs. I would not

have expected that. I have the whole thing. You are not going to find

that photo! Brilliant, Have I Got News For You starts on Friday and

your friends will be looking out for that. To help you get your eye in we

thought we would come up with a bit of a quiz, we are calling it

Political Animals. Order, order! We are combining the two of you.

you pictures of different pets, each of them owned by a different

Test your buzzers. # Who let the dogs out?

# What's new pussycat? Send' Bichon Frise

called Lola belong to? that belongs to the Chancellor. It's

had a savage cut! We had to mark that up because we could not find a

photo of them together but we have it on good authority. Lola is the

first dog to live in Downing Street since Paddy, Harold Wilson's golden

labrador in 1976. What knowledge we have. That's incredible. Who owned

Socks? He was the White House cat. Do you know which president?

Clinton. There is the proof. So famous that the Central African

Republic released a series of stamps featuring him. There they are. Do

you remember his fine -- his famous line? I did not have socks with that

woman! He said that, not me. You will be banned. Banished! That's it.

Who owned Konni and caused a diplomatic incident in 2007

It's a tie at the minute. This is the winning question. It really

terrified Angela Merkel? Who is that in the silhouette? Vladimir Putin?

I'm trying to think of anyone who could scare Angela Merkel and it's a

list of one. He said Putin. It is. Jabbing very good. -- APPLAUSE

Very good. Angela Merkel is scared of dogs and cute in new that. So he

brought the dog along. She should have mentioned Panama and see what

he said! LAUGHTER Paul we will finish where we started

with you playing a musical instrument. This is to do with a

documentary you have been making about the Salvation Army. I made it

last year. Why the Salvation Army? They used to do lots of work on

hospital wards when AIDS came to London and they were remarkable,

this was when it was yellow tape and he would get young officers coming

in, they dealt with it and were efficient and did not look for

publicity or praise or anything, they really are an army. I worked as

a care officer and they helped me so many times. People think they are

just outside Boots with a tambourine, join us and you'll never

drink again, but there is none of that, they have stepped in where

local councils have been making vicious cuts and they are now

supplying a single mothers vicious cuts and they are now

and it's old-fashioned philanthropy. Things haven't changed in 150 years

since William Booth started the Salvation Army, they deal with the

since William Booth started the same poverty and prejudice. I just

think they are a remarkable organisation. I marched down of the

street playing the drums with them. I've

street playing the drums with them. Street. I said, can I join up?! We

have some footage of Street. I said, can I join up?! We

not bad on the drums. Yes, Street. I said, can I join up?! We

go, right on cue, Paul. Street. I said, can I join up?! We

There was a big performance at Street. I said, can I join up?! We

end. Yes, down Oxford Street, Street. I said, can I join up?! We

were enjoying the band and I Street. I said, can I join up?! We

Army?! Were you surprised that the scope of their work? No, I always

knew. They touch so many different things. I was in Athens at a refugee

camp, on a ward for people who are terminally ill. And for people with

dementia and young mothers with kids and gang members, the homeless, you

name it, they cover everything and it's quite remarkable. We have to

point out before you go that you have a remarkable accolade because

in Private Eye, you review autobiographies and they are pretty

scathing. Scathing! Paul's is the only one with a positive spin? Yes.

I gave his book to the reviewer and it got a good review and I had a

I gave his book to the reviewer and of letters saying, I don't read

Private Eye to read good reviews, so I fired the reviewer! My friend has

passed away now, Sue Carroll, she said, have you seen privatised and I

thought, no, what have they said? I get it anyway, and I could not

believe it, I was about to write in. It was terrible! Aired, you are

sacked. -- you read at the bottom, you are sacked. Animal Orphans

starts on ITV at 9pm. Ian Hislop's Victorian Benefits'

is on tomorrow on BBC Two We'll be back tomorrow

with Cyndi Lauper. But for now its the finalists

of the Menuhin competition MUSIC: Hora Bessarabia,

composed by Roxanna Panufnik. Hello, I'm Tina Daheley

with your 90 second update. Connor Sparrowhawk was 18

when he drowned in the bath. The NHS managers who were in charge

of his care were told today