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Tonight he's back in his home town of Dunblane, part of a tour

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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker...

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Today has seen one of the most emotional moments in

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The families of the 96 victims of the Hillsborough disaster have

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finally heard the verdict they've been fighting for,

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since their loved ones died at the football ground in 1989.

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That the victims were unlawfully killed, due, in part,

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And, equally important, there was no misbehaviour

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by the fans that contributed to the deaths.

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Huge news for the families and the city as a whole.

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We have spent the last few days with the brother of one of those who died

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and we'll hear from him soon. a focal point for Liverpudlians,

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aren't you, Matt? Yes we're in St George's plateau in

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front of St George's hall, this has been a focal point for this epic

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struggle, this fight for justice for the 96 victims of the Hillsborough

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disaster. Here, there have been vigils, there have been

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demonstrations and there have been many tears over the last 27 years.

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Steve Kellie lost his brother Michael that day at Hillsborough. We

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spent the last couple of days with him finding out exactly what this

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verdict means. It's the morning of the verdict.

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Feeling very nervous, anxious. I'm just hoping for the truth to come

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out. Enormity of it now is kicking in. This is history in the making

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and we're part of it. I was the younger brother by two-and-a-half

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years. I always looked up to him. Always tried to be him as you do

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with your older brother. He always looked after me. I missed that.

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Football was the great thing in his life. He loved going to the football

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match. He loved Liverpool. He was a season ticket holder. He had booked

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the coach. He was looking forward to the game. Through the video footage

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we had to see ourselves, I mean I identified Michael coming through

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the tunnel. It's difficult to watch, because every time I look at it, I

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think the same thing - he's only got minutes to go. It's as though,

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you're watching him die all the time.

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The most difficult thing for me was hearing the match commander admit in

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court that he'd lied. I was looking around the courtroom, I couldn't

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believe, I was looking at other people, seeing their reactions and I

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just remember looking at him and thinking, "You've just been a

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coward. You could have pear us this. -- spared us this." The reason we

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didn't give up was love. We loved our family. That's why we fought for

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so long to clear their names. Since Hillsborough, we've lost our mum, my

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sister, Joan, I lost my youngest son five years ago. I had to do that on

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my own. My brother, I know, would have stood shoulder to shoulder with

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me and supported me through these things and that's what I miss about

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him most. The jury of nine, after two years of

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evidence have concluded that the 96 football fans, who lost their lives,

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were unlawfully killed. At least we know now Michael was just a fan who

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got caught up in the wrong thing at the wrong time. It's a bitter sweet

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moment. We should have had this 27 years ago to spare the families.

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# You'll never walk alone #

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CHEERING I'm pleased to say that Steve joins

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us now. It's clear what you might have started doing for Michael, for

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your brother, you now do for a larger group of people. It's not

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just for Michael. It's for 95 other people who were sadly killed at

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Hillsborough. The thousands that went over there that day and the

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city as a whole, we were all maligned by the lies that came out.

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We've struggled all these years to get the message out that, you know,

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you were right that day to carry on this fight. I'm glad we've done it.

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We've been proven today that we were justified and yeah, I'm really

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proud. How many times during the last 27 years due think that you'd

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never get this far, that the message would just never get out? Well, up

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until this morning, I never thought we'd get this far. I was still

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worrying this morning. We've been so close so many times. You know, we've

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failed. But this particular time, thanks to the Hillsborough

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Independent Panel report and the great legal team that we've had,

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with the fresh evidence that was given to the court, there was only

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ever going to be one outcome today. Thankfully it came true. It is just

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another step, though. It's a big step. What do you feel still needs

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to be done? There needs to be accountability. There were 14 points

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given to the jury to decide on today. Them 14 points were proven in

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our favour. There was many people proved to be failing for what

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happened on April 15, 1989. Further down the road, it will be for

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greater legal minds than mine to sort this out. Somewhere along the

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line there's got to be accountability. We have one of those

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legal minds with us now. You've been representing a lot of the families

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of the victims of Hillsborough. Does an unlawful killing verdict

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naturally mean there will be prosecutions, is that what follows

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next? It's difficult to say that at this moment. I don't want to

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prejudice further investigations. What we would say is that action

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definitely needs to be taken not only to the unlawful killing verdict

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but also in relation to the cover up. Steve has explained the amount

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of time and effort the families have put into that. They should not have

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been here 27 years later. That falls back to the cover up. You have spent

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so much time with these families. What is the feeling now? To move on

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and take further action, is that what they want? There's 96 different

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families involved here. We have 96 different opinions on that. But as a

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majority, I'd say further action needs to be taken, yeah. In relation

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to the unlawful killing and in relation to the cover-ups. Thank you

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so much. It is a step, it's a big step, but it's not the end for these

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families, talking to people we've met around here today, this has

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exonerated the fans that were there, exonerate the victims and go some

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way to erase what was a stain on the good name of the city of Liverpool.

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It's a stain that's perpetuated by dison I and deceit and we wouldn't

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have got this far without the hard work, determination and faith of the

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victims' families. Thank you Matt. A verdict that

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should have been heard 27 years ago. Thanks to Steve as well for sharing

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his story. Listening to that with us tonight

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is a man from Sheffield, where He also happens to be

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a Bafta-winning actor. You were born in Sheffield,

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you've visited the ground as a child and your family were in the city

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on that sad day. What do you remember, though,

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because you had already moved away? I was away at college in Dublin by

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that point. I was 19. So I don't have memories of that day, so much.

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But I remember much more, you know, remembers when the tenth anniversary

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came round and the 20th anniversary and thinking, why does it take this

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long for what was really Sheffield's darkest day, I think, in its whole

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history, that it took so long to, for the truth to come out and for

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the terrible behaviour of the police and of the newspapers to be given

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the light of truth. It's a great day and it's the families that are to be

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congratulated. We will speak to Dominic tonight about two huge

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Hollywood films that he's starring in in coming months.

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films he's starring in in the coming months and also a life-changing

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trip he recently made to the Syrian border.

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But first Miranda's in Cornwall - or rather just off

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the coast of Cornwall - where she's been rooting out

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Along Britain's coast is a peculiar plant that you can often see on

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cliff-top walks. But its familiarity doesn't mean it belongs here. The

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plant is an alien invasive species and for the gardeners here at St

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Michael's Mount Cornwall, protecting their island from it, requires

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extreme weeding. I'll be helping them clear the plant by abseiling

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over a 60-foot drop. The hottentot fig is native to South Africa. It's

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a creeping succulent. It's believed to have been brought to our shores

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by Victorian gardeners for its attractive flowers and foliage.

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Today, its rampant across heath land and coastal grassland happen tatts

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You can understand why people wanted to bring it back, but they didn't

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know it would be so invasive. It grows about a metre a year. It

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starts to take over areas. It sufficient indicates the native

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Flora that we have. The combined weight of a large patch of fig

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plants has even been blamed for a land slide in Bournemouth in 2013.

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The National Trust aims to keep the plant on St Michael's Mount in check

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rather than destroying it all together. But to remove even a small

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area is labour intensive and requires a head for heights. Darren

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little has managed the gardens on St Michael Mount for 15 years. Where is

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the fig? Today we shall be abseiling off the corner here. We will set up

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the ropes here. Going down over the edge there. It's amazing how that

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plant colonises what looks like bare rock face. It retains a lot of water

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and thrives off its own nutrients. He only needs a slight crack to grow

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in. Are you ready? I am, yeah. Let's get kited up. The gardening team is

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in constant battle against this invader. Three times a year they

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resort to rope and harness to clear the cliff. Now it's time to go over

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the edge. We are a long way up and we've got all this stuff and all we

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can do is a bit of weeding! Over the edge. For a weed... Beware of your

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footing there as you go down. I don't like this bit. This is the

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over the edge bit. Hang on. Whoa, whoa. There we go. Down? Brilliant.

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Yeah, good. After a tentative start, we've reached a cliff ledge overrun

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by the weed. You can see how it's very matting, this will smother the

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ground and stop the native weeds coming through. I am on the edge!

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Look at that. That is amazing. Nobody knows how the fig actually

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got here, but if a bit breaks off and washes into the sea, it doesn't

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get killed by the salt water. It might wash up somewhere else and

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take root. Then this happens. Hand pulling the weed is the only way to

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control the plant. It's strenuous work. Oh, gosh. You need somebody

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stronger than me to do this. After an hour-and-a-half, our work,

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suspended over this beautiful coastal landscape, is complete. For

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now! The areas we've cleared are free for native Flora to take hold

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and flourish. It's incredible seeing how much we threw down. Yes! That's

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the craziest gardening I've ever done in my life.

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What a location! A lovely place. We were talking about your

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paragliding. That is a pastime. That is. You've eclipsed me with your

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story about hand gliding! I was hoping to do in June, yeah, a trip

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climbing up Holy Mown anyone in India with a holy man who lives in

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the mountain. We will do it next year. I've done a bit of

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parademrieding. How often do you get into the sky then? Not too much. I

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went with a friend a couple of years ago. We did a lot in India. Someone

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died and it rather put me off. I didn't do what you did. We can't go

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into that. It's way too dangerous. You went to visit a refugee camp.

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But camp doesn't convey the scale of these places. They are like four

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cities in one. They're ginormous. This is the fourth biggest city in

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Jordan now. Save the Children, who's a charity I enormously respect, they

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gave me the chance to go to Jordan as part of their public I for their

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campaign Every Last Child, which aims to help the 15 million

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refugees, but the most vulnerable children in the world, who are

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either, the ones who are neglect and excluded are girls, disabled and

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refugees. Save the Children has a three year campaign to try and help

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them with mainly education and Health Services. They are prominent

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in this camp, which is outside Amman in Jordan. It's got 80,000 refugees

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there. They're all from Syria. The thing about the Syrian conflict is

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that it's so complex and so politically insoluble really. The

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only thing we can do is support people like Save the Children. I

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went out there and saw what they did. I went to their educational

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centres and what their health centres and the kinkeder gartens

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they've set up and they are doing more than anyone else to help the

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most vulnerable people there. These children were your guides? Yeah.

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These lovely guys. They're incredible kids. They've been

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through horrors that you or I can't imagine at their most vulnerable

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stage. This guy was 11 when his house was being shelled in Damascus.

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He took me to his shelter. This place here, where he's living. It

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was beautiful and straight away, four cups of tea came out, very

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sweet tea because it stops the hunger. They live in these, you

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know, it looks quite nice here and it was a nice, cool, sunny day. In

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the winter that is freezing cold. In the summer, it's boiling hot. It's a

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tough life for them. What strikes you when you go to these camps, we

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live in the 21st century and there is no need with communications, I

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can fly out there for four hours, there's no need for people to be

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living like this. It's very important therefore that they get

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the help of people like Save the Children. They're the only ones who

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are helping them. You can see that documentary on the website. The

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website is Save the Children.org. UK, please give some money to them,

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because that's money very well spent. That will go to directly

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helping all the most vulnerable children in the world.

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Now the first in a new series of films for The One Show.

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The only thing Esther Rantzen likes more than sorting out viewers'

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problems is talking to people on the street.

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And now she's found a way of combining the two.

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Dear Esther, my 17-year-old daughter wants her boyfriend to stay over for

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the first time in our home. And they want to stay in the same bedroom.

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What should I do? Well, let's see what the people of Stoke-on-Trent

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advise? I have a viewer's dilemma. I'm seeking advice. The daughter

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wants the boyfriend to spend the night at home. No. I'm only 22

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myself. I wouldn't be allowing my daughter to be doing that at that

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age, no. Is there an age where you would let it happen? No, not in my

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house, no. 20? No. 30? No. If she were 18 would you say yes? I might,

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but her dad wouldn't. 50? I wouldn't say not, no. It's all right staying

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in the family home, but not sleeping together. No hanky panky. No. No

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way. Really not? She should waiting for her 18th. Wait a year, you say?

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After that she can do whatever she want. I moved into my boyfriend's

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when I was 16. Did you? Gosh. Is he still your boyfriend? Not any more.

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If you're watching, you're dumped! Is your name Annika? Am I Annika

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Rice? Angela Rippon, that's it. They're going to do it any way, if

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they're in my house, I can keep an eye on the situation. Your advice

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would be? I'd rather know that she's there rather than going behind your

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back. I'd rather my daughter be safe under my roof. You are quite strict.

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Very strict. Are you? And does it work? No. Not really. Has she ever

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set you dilemmas like this? I have got two sons. They've brought girls

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home and slept. I've had no say in it. And the boys went wild and you

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didn't? Yes, I was good. Why is that? I'm making up for it now! Did

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you ever go behind your mum's back? Sometimes. She went behind your

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back? I don't think she did. She doesn't think you did. You sneaked

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out? She sneaked out. I did have a boyfriend at that age. I stayed at

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his house. My mum and dad, they were so mad, my dad called me all kinds

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of names. Was he a serious boyfriend? In the end we had my

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daughter. Well, there you are. It all ended happily. Yes. That will

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have got Britain talking. Giggling going on here. What's the

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conclusion? The poor writer of that letter, what have you got to say? I

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was mazed how Frank people were. You've got a daughter of 17. I do.

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Yes, well I won't ask what your views are. We will, don't worry. But

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mums are much more lenient than dads. Parents are much more lenient

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with sons than with daughters. So if you want to get up to anything, go

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to his place, you know - I didn't say that. I'm just fascinating by

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the advice that people are giving, so be careful. Generally, they said

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17 is too young, wait they said. They also thought I was Angela

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Rippon but that's fine. That may be why they talked so frankly with me.

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You have a daughter who's 17. What would your view on it be? I like

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Billy Crystal's comments, he said to his daughter boyfriend, of course

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you can sleep with my daughter in our house, when I'm dead.

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LAUGHTER That's what my dad would have said as well. You want more

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dilemmas. Absolutely. What do you think the public would be good at

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helping with then? Any sort of personal problem, any sort of

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embarrassing dilemma you're faced with. It turns out you go on the

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streets and people give you really good advice and tell you all sorts

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of stuff about their own lives that maybe their own families don't know.

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Beware. I'm assuming people get in contact via the usual methods,

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e-mail, social media. And I will do the rest. Thanks Esther.

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House of the Rising Sun is a classic '60s track.

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You might think it's about a place in New Orleans.

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But as Carrie's been finding out, it might have

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had its unlikely origins - not in the Southern

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States of America - but the East Anglian coast.

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The Animals had a massive hit with their version of the song, and being

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a traditional ballad, the origins are uncertain. Some believe it was a

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real den of iniquity somewhere in New Orleans. But could inspiration

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for the hit have come from closer to home? I'm heading for the beacon of

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debauchery that is Lowestoft. This Suffolk town Mike look innocent, but

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Kevin has been digging up the dirt. When was the song first heard? It

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was kicking around America as a folk song for decades. There is a theory

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that it started life as an English folk song, which was then taken to

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America by immigrants. This theory was sparked in 1952, Alan Lomax

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recorded an English folk singer, Harry Cox, performing old songs he

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heard from his father. This is Harry Cox singing about a pub in

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Lowestoft, it is not exactly radio friendly.

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# If you go to Lowestoft, there you will find Polly Armstrong BLEEP

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BLEEP! That is proper rude! I should stop it there, it gets ruder.

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Doesn't sound like House of the Rising Sun? But they discussed

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another version, if you go to low stuff, and you ask for The Rising

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Sun, there you will find BLEEP! It was made a decade before The Animals

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heading the UK, it is unlikely that he was influenced by American

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culture. There was a pub called the Rising Sun, it stood somewhere

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around here for 100 years. So what might have been the legendary House

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of the Rising Sun is now a carpet factory and a fishing we couldn't

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leave without catching sunrise at the most easterly spot in Britain.

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Who better to celebrate us than local lads The Harpoon Blues Band?

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It's a great song, so gritty and real. That is why it has survived

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and why people are going to keep playing it for years to come. It

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sounds great! We'll probably never know the exact

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origins of the song, but until somebody comes up with a better

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theory, I think Lowestoft should claim it!

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That is one of the first songs I learned to play on the guitar. The

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guitar will be out! Let's talk about Money Monster. You are doing a film

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with George Clooney and Julia Roberts. Who are the Money Monsters,

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are you one of them? I think I am the monster, I am the villain. It is

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the story of a guy, an ordinary Joe in New Jersey, who takes over a TV

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show, run by Julia Roberts. He holds them hostage, to demand what

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happened to his money when the banking crisis happened. I am the

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evil banker, and I am held to account, finally. I am the Money

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Monster, I think. George, it turns out, is the good guy. Has it become

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normal for you to act along the likes of George Clooney? I wish! And

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the director is Jodie Foster. Five days, George and me. And Jack...

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Jack. The wonderful lead actor! Is he a canny lad? Clooney? Fantastic,

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perfect movie star. He kept talking about his house in Italy, I invite

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everyone... The one on the lake? Everyone I meet, we just invite

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everybody. I'm going, yeah? I still haven't got my invitation. I am

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reliably informed that is Jack O'Connell. Sorry, great rising star

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from Derby, near me. Anyway, we had a great time. That is one of the

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films, Finding Dory, which we are excited about. You play an east end

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sea lion? I do, yes. I'm just reminding myself, it was a while ago

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we did it. Andrew Stanson, who did Finding Nemo, I did a film with him.

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Is this it? I haven't seen it! I can't wait to see it. Is this the

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first time you have seen a clip of it? I saw clips when I was doing the

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voice. But not the full pictures. This is the sequel to Finding Nemo.

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Your co-star, your co-sea lion, Idris Elba? Andrew got us together,

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we were McNulty and Stringer Bell, we had a few scenes together, we

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were nemeses. How do you get into character is a sea lion? I had no

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idea what I was doing! That is all we have time for. Thanks to Dominic

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West. You can find out all about his trip to Syria on the Save The

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Children website. Tomorrow Al Murray, Harry Hill,

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team GB's pommel horse hero Max Whitlock and Billy Ocean

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will be performing live!

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