28/06/2016 The One Show

Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker.

After last night some are looking for good reasons to be cheerful.

How about a hilarious new movie in which a supermodel gets

I am here on the red carpet at London's biggest fashion event of

the year. Stella! You are not wearing my clothes, are you? No,

darling. Have you seen Kate? I am going to roll away... Hi, darling,

don't you remember me? I can't believe you are still... Alive! .

Kate, Kate! it's Jennifer Saunders

and Julia Sawahla. Good evening. Amazing. There is a

lot of excitement about the new Ab Fab movie. Could you just clear

something up for me straightaway. Is Alex in the movie? I have not heard

nothing but the end of this. Come on, Jennifer, tell him. Oh, I don't

know... I haven't seen it. She's not in the poster. I thought you would

be in that clip. Well, it goes on. The jeopardy goes on. We were by

Tower Bridge, it was freezing, I was there. I have heard all the stories.

What a diva! Seriously, we are going to find out if you are in the final

cut. Andrew Neil is also with us

for a bit of heavyweight comment after we hear how four days

of political turmoil have left That was the city whose emphatic

vote to leave on Thursday was the first clue that a surprise

referendum result was on the cards. I have just arrived in Sunderland,

the first of many places to vote Leave at 61%. Lads, are you Remain

or Leave? I voted Leave. Leave, as well. You think there is positivity

around what is going to happen? I think at the moment, no. No, still a

lot of fear around there. There would have been fear if the Remain

vote won because of the same issues still there. There is a suggestion a

lot of the Leave campaign has been driven by racism and bigotry. Are

you angry at the negative around it? That was never part of my vote.

Without immigration and freedom of movement our job would be, well,

wouldn't be here right now. Which side were you on? I voted in. What's

your reaction now it's the other way? I am just interested in knowing

who's going to take over as Prime Minister. Let's see what comes next.

I am happy. Really, you voted to Leave? I did. Any regrets? No, I was

delighted we got the result. You feel positive with about the future?

Who knows what the future holds. Were you Leave or Remain? Remain.

Completely, I was really disappointed when I realised what

had happened. How do you feel now? I feel like the next generation's

going to be ruined for my son. I feel people haven't choose right.

They haven't looked into it properly and I don't think it's been the

right decision at all. It's going back in time rather than progressing

forward. I am totally ashamed to be British at this moment. Were you

Leave or Remain? I was Leave. What's the positives? I am hoping now that

the Government is going to listen to the people, the people have spoken.

And said we are not happy about the way things have been run before, now

we have more power back, please listen. You look forward to a Great

Britain? I feel optimistic about it, I do. I don't feel doom and gloom

that there seems to be a sense of, whether people voted Remain, I hope

I made the right decision. But I know that I did what I felt was

right for me and my family. I would like to see someone press the button

and start the process. You think pull off the plaster and get going?

Let's try and make sense of some of it with Andrew Neil.

We're also joined by brothers Nigel and Ian Baxter who appeared

on the show in the run-up to the referendum.

They run haulage businesses on the opposite sides of the same road.

They were very divided when it came to Brexit.

Ian voted Remain and Nigel voted to Leave.

Both of you not happy with the choice of us reshowing those

t-shirts again! Lads, how is family life since? I am disappointed with

the result but we have got on well. We have got to accept it now as

families and also as the nation and come together and try and find a way

forward that works for everyone. What was that first phone call like?

We were texting all night. It was the most exciting night of politics

I think anyone can imagine to be honest. There is democracy at work

for you. LAUGHTER

Well, it was, everybody was asked to vote. The question was answered.

Andrew, people who wanted to Leave want us to get on with it but those

who want us to Remain are hopeful it won't actually happen. How are you

seeing it? I think it's going to happen. It's unstoppable now because

whoever's the next Prime Minister will trigger the mechanism and once

that's done you have two years in which to negotiate the terms of

exit. That's pretty unstoppable. The European Union's in that mood, as

well, they didn't want us to go but we voted and so the negotiations

begin. The key thing is this Article 50 which is in the Lisbon Treaty,

that's basically the European Union constitution. When you trigger that

you set the clock going and you can't really stop it. It's a

two-year process. We are in the driving seat as a country as to when

we trigger it. The European Union can't tell us when to trigger it. We

won't do that before the autumn. But the key obviously is who is going to

be triggering it, who will become Prime Minister? That's very

interesting in itself because if you get somebody like Jeremy Hunt who

has said he is going to have another referendum potentially on the deal,

then you have Theresa May in the Remain camp and she's going to

stretch it for as long as possible. Who do you see the person that would

press that trigger the quickest? The favourite is Boris Johnson. At the

moment. We don't know but he is running with Michael Gove, it's a

joint ticket. There will be a stop Boris candidate, Boris is not that

popular in the Tory Party parliamentary party. But he is

popular in the country. They've to whittle it down to two. The stop

Boris candidate will be Theresa May, I think. The MPs will narrow it

down. There are other candidates in the field, too. We live in an age

now where people like me predict things and it turns out the exact

opposite happens, whether it's Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the

Labour Party or Donald Trump making the republican nomination. It looks

like MPs will get the numbers down to two, Boris Johnson, Theresa May,

they go to the Tory Party in the country. We will get the decision on

September 9th. Whoever wins is the next Prime Minister. From the people

that are there as the options do you feel confident in these politicians

to take us forward to this new era? I think the two candidates Andrew

outlined are definitely going to be the frontrunners for that. I would

hope so. What we definitely need is a Conservative Party that's back

together and we definitely need a country that's back together. That's

an absolute imperative. You can't speak for everybody who voted out

but when would you like to see the trigger pressed? I think that we

have to wait until we have a new leader, a new Prime Minister. That's

got to be the starting point of this negotiation or at least it would

seem that way with terms coming out of the EU. I think we are stuck

until the autumn, frankly. Andrew, a word on everything that's been

happening recently. Have you managed to get any sleep? You can get - you

can't go to sleep and you wake up and the exact opposite of what I

have told everybody has happened! Normally in my business if the

Tories are down, Labour's up. If Labour's down the Tories are up.

They're both in chaos at the moment. It's unprecedented. What about

Jeremy Corbyn, is he going to survive? I have come from the

Commons, we don't know what now happens, the parliamentary party

voted 80% no confidence in him. He is saying, so what? What do you want

me to do? I am not going to stand down. We will now see this week,

there will be a leadership challenge to Jeremy Corbyn. But that

leadership challenge goes back to the Labour Party in the country,

made up of the very people who elected Jeremy Corbyn. You could go

around full circle and still be back with Jeremy Corbyn again. This

summer we will have two leadership campaigns going. In your busy

schedule thank you for stopping by. Thanks, lads. It's a big night for

you. You are both fans of Absolutely Fabulous!

When a statue of Mary Seacole is unveiled on Thursday many

will see it as righting a serious wrong and celebrating

a black woman whose place in history was forgotten.

A few won't be celebrating, though, and say her role

David Olusoga goes in search of the truth.

In 2004 a national campaign was launched to identify the most

important black people in British history. At the top of the list was

a woman who many people had never heard of. Who is the greatest black

Briton of them all? The winner announced today is Mary Seacole.

Mary Seacole was a Jamaican woman who nursed injured and wounded

soldiers during the Crimean war. She's buried here in London and

until she won that poll in 2004 this was one of the only memorials to

her. Since the poll brought her back into

British consciousness, Mary Seacole has been added to the national

curriculum, celebrated with a blue plaque and now a statue in her

honour. But the story of Mary Seacole has also unleashed conflict

and controversy because she made her name in the Crimean War she has

perhaps inevitably been compared to Florence Nightingale.

And there are those today who claim that her contribution wasn't

significant enough to merit a place in our history books. What is the

truth about Mary Seacole. This historian has been researching her

work in the Crimea in London. She set up this general store but, more

importantly, she also ran a kind of informal clinic. So, anyone who felt

unwell could go and get medicine for their stomach upsets or have a wound

stitched or even a bullet removed. She could certainly do those things.

Was she a qualified nurse? Of course not. Because it was Florence

Nightingale who instituted training for nurses after the Crimean War.

She was a nurse in the broad sense of a care-giver, someone who mocked

the fevered brow. We know about her impact in the Crimea because British

soldiers wrote about her in letters home and journals. This is from a

journal of a British medical officer. He says, her fame as a

doctor are spread all over the camp. The extraordinary thing you find is

if there is one person everyone knew it was Mary Seacole. The medicines

she used on the British soldiers she treated were traditional herbal

recommend tees from the Caribbean, learned at her mother's knee. Great.

Thank you. This was actually a key ingredients Mary used, cinnamon

bark. She would grind it, pound it, boil it up with water and sweeten it

then. The other thing she used were fruits like guava and pommegranate.

Liquids were her fundamental treatment. Her remedies were famed

for effectiveness but over the years she was gradually forgotten. When

most people think of the war they think of Florence Nightingale, a

figure more famous. No one can take away from the extraordinary

reputation of Florence Nightingale, she was a true pioneer. They were

two very different women. Mary was her own woman with her own unique

Jamaican methods. Mary was forgotten almost a century. There is many

black figures in British history who were written out of our national

story. Do you think race played a part in Mary's disappearance? It

must have played some part but I don't see it as a really active

forgetting. The huge problem with Mary is we have no paper trail. Once

Mary died it was more of forgetting than I think an active racist

deliberate desire to eradicate her from history. Mary Seacole is the

first named black woman to be honoured with a statue in Britain.

She may still be compared to Florence Nightingale, but her place

in British history now seems assured.

I think we should remember Mary Seacole in her own right and for her

own achievements, both she and Florence Nightingale made unique

contributions but there is plenty of room in our historic memory of the

Crimean War for both of them. And the statue of Mary will be

unveiled this Thursday. We run our on from politics and talk

about Absolutely Fabulous: The Movie. We have seen these pictures

of you from Pride, it sets the tone nicely. If you zoom out, you can see

the jury... Look at insignificant Dominic! Glorious pictures, such

colour. Let's talk about how Eddie and Patsy have moved on, and Saffy,

since we saw them last. They are older! Whistles in 2012, the last

thing... But Edina is slowing down and life is overtaking her such a

she doesn't understand Twitter, ats, Snap chat, it panics are a bit

because he doesn't want to stop, she has to be at the forefront.

Emotionally, none of them have changed. They are still stuck. They

have a huge house. I don't think the neighbours even realise that she has

taken their swimming pool! She is literally doubled around other

people's property. -- Bill Wills. It has taken 46 will years to write

this -- 26. How do you! I have had a career, Julia! Everybody has been

asking for a long time to have a movie of this. We were enjoying

television. We were very busy. Wasn't it actually done to your

great friend Dawn French and in the end you will bleed into it? --

bullied into it. The lead is a good word. We stupidly agreed. She said,

what are you doing next year? Is that I am writing the Ab Fab movie.

She said, I bet he went thousand pounds when he don't write it. I

said, I can't take a bite. I thought, this will take a minute. I

started on December 23. Just on Christmas Day. A hot sweat came over

me. Do you remember the first sentence you wrote? Not at all. Most

of the script I handed to her just said blah blah blah. It was just

paper. Although it has taken a while to do, because you were talking

about Twitter and the dawn of technology and all of that, it's a

really good time to have done it, because there is a lot happening to

that generation that feel like they are out of touch with technology.

And of course the Saffy now has a 13-year-old daughter, my

granddaughter, so she has to keep up with it as well. So there is another

dysfunctional relationship going on, that continues to stop like in all

families. Shall we see in action, this is in the aftermath of the Kate

Moss incident. Can you just shut up, I am trying to do my mindlessness. I

am being treated on twitter. Everybody ate me. -- hates me.

Earlier, woman shouted at me. She told me I was a pariah. Do you know

with the is? -- what a pariah is? It's a fish. Tremendous, tremendous.

Absolutely wonderful. But was one of the first jokes I wrote. I do

remember that. It stayed in the film, Alex! Jennifer, come on now!

Your character, Julia, it is so levelling, with all this happening,

there is so much happening, and it's so funny, was it hard for you to not

be able to visually enjoy it and laugh and be part of that energy,

because you are so levelling? Yeah, when we'd used to do the series,

used to get all my laughing out in rehearsals as much as I could. It is

difficult, of course you want to laugh but you don't want to ruin

somebody's performance. But actually, she breaks my heart more

than she makes me laugh, because she is such a fantastic actress and as

my mother, when she looks like this last little child, it actually makes

me really love her. Why is everyone laughing? It adds to the comedy.

Eddie noticed makes more and more addicted and when we first

auditioned for the part of Saffy, she came along and I realised that

as I was doing a dinner and she was sitting there, couldn't even look at

her, I thought, she thinks I'm an idiot. I thought you hated me. I

thought you were terrifying. And it works, completely. It is just been

brilliant. Absolutely Fabulous: The Movie it out on Friday. In the film,

they head to the south of France to escape justice.

We're not sure what Christine Walkden and the dancer Wayne Sleep

are running away from now but they are having an uproarious

time recreating Wayne's childhood holidays.

Five foot two, eyes of blue, has anybody seen my girl? That's the

one! I am on Dartmoor with Britain's most famous wine Ballet star, Wayne

Sleep. I remember singing that in my first ever competition. I tap danced

with my feet turned down like Charlie Chaplin, which is perfect

for classical ballet. So when she gave me the cut for the under 12, I

was only eight, said where is his mother, he must learn ballet. My

mother said, Ballet, never! She was totally against that. So were the

rest of my family, they always thought it had a connotation about

men doing it, which is totally wrong, but we were naive and

ignorant. We'll go back to the 1950s, when Wayne and his family

used to go back to Dartmoor for camping holidays. I used to love

watching the ground below. Natural ventilation! We're at the actual

field where Wayne and his family used to camp. I can remember this,

it was all on a slot. -- slope. What would you doing camping on a slope?!

I remember this ram which was running wild and I remember being

pulled up a tree at the age of three, screaming and crying, because

I thought, they had horns and everything! Time to roll up our

sleeves and save Wayne... See if he remembers how to pull up a tent. Up,

up! Are you all right for one minute?

That was easy! Just in time for his guest. How are you? Joe is his

younger sister from his mum's later marriage. There is my great

grandfather, there is me as a baby and my mother in the middle. My

mother brought me up by herself, she had a wonderful soprano voice, she

got a contract with the BBC. And she didn't take it. I think because she

had me, she felt guilty about being a one parent family. Wayne won a

scholarship to the Royal Ballet will he was 12 but was one big problem.

You have always been small. How did that affect your career? It ruined

it. You have to be at least five foot seven, anything like that, the

partner a small girl. The founder of the Royal Ballet said on the spin

twice as fast as everybody else and jump twice as high, and I could

never play the Prince in Swan Lake, because I would come on and I would

be smaller than the chorus girls. It turned to my advantage because I had

roles in a specially created for me. I would have been really depressed

about it but suddenly realised I was an individual and I could do things

the other dancers couldn't. When's incredible agility made him a star

and in 1985 the things he danced with his biggest fan, Princess

Diana. Did you have to practice and not? We did. I had to grab moments

with her, sometimes down the telephone, kick, step, kick comes

next. Things like that. I remember when she ran offstage, with me,

after the eighth curtain call, she whispered, beats the wedding! But

she didn't mean that, of course! It was a joke, it was a joke! I might

not be Princess Diana but I can't leave Wayne without a quick dance

lesson. I think I will stick to gardening!

Your very sweet. Probably a good idea! Although her

and Wayne are a brilliant combination. A partnership in the

making. It is time to reveal if Alex is actually in the new Ab Fab movie.

I might have evidence! Let's have a look.

Can you tell us what that was? I can't say too much, can I? Lulu

comes down the red carpet and I'm asking personal questions. I ask why

she is so small? And this is a underling Christie, where is she so

tall? My usual line of questioning. A great segue. Thank you so much,

Jennifer. Thank you for doing it. It is more than a pleasure. 59 other

famous faces make an appearance, including the likes of John Hamm and

John Collins, but nobody from Countryfile! Just saying. You were

saying thank you there, how does the whole thing happen? People were

bringing you up to begin the movie. Just people whistle casually. --

Riso casually. We asked them. She wasn't ringing up, begging. Although

had I known your number I would have been! We are going to play a little

game now, called who I, sweetie. We have a super fan to play the game,

please welcome Cathy. Say hello before I am blindfolded.

Is this surreal for you? It is. This is how it works. Some faces of

celebrities who are making a cameos in the film are going to appear in

this monitor, the Ab Fab monitor. You will describe the celebrity and

she will guess who the celebrity is, if that's OK. A bit like beer

goggles, champagne goggles! You look like you can see. Why are you being

so competitive? I don't want her to win! Very glamorous, had a sister

who wrote loads of books. Joan Collins! Has a chat show. Irish. I

was in it the other night. Graham Norton! She's sitting just run away

from you now. Alex Jones! Australian, Queen of chat shows.

Dame Edna. My other comedy partner apart from Joanna Lumley. The

French. Storming it now. Supermodel. Kate Moss. Australian, the funniest

thing on legs and now. I know who you mean. Rebel... Rebel Wilson.

Last one. I have mentioned in the intro. It's not port... John Hamm!

We have got a treat for you. We have got a special surprise for you. Ten

seconds! Tickets to the next England match! You are going to be premiered

on Friday! That if it! See you tomorrow.