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Tonight on the The Review Show, detectives, dancers, despots, death | :00:08. | :00:18. | |
and destruction. Fear not, it's a fabulous way to start the weekend. | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
Lars Von Trier's infamous comments at Cannes overshadowed his new film | :00:20. | :00:30. | |
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Melancholia, did it deserve more attention? Is evil. We didn't need | :00:33. | :00:43. | |
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to tpwreev for it. -- grieve for it. Bravura ballet on the stage at | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
Sadler's Wells in the latest work from La La La Human Steps, but is | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
there a concept behind the physical fireworks? | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
Tariq Godard's new novel explores a religious uprising in Africa, does | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
The Message show that timeliness is next to godliness? | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
Philip Glenister is back on the BBC for the first time since hanging up | :01:01. | :01:10. | |
his eighties car coat. Can Hidden bring him safely back to | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
Earth? There's one problem, the woman's dead. | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
MOBO Best Newcomer nominee Maverick Sabre plays us out, live in the | :01:19. | :01:29. | |
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Joining me here in Glasgow to mull over everything from choreography | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
to calamity are: The writer and critic, Ekow Eshun. | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
The playwright and librettist, Mark Ravenhill. | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
The Daily Telegraph's Arts Editor, Sarah Crompton, and writer and | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
historian Professor Amanda Vickery. Remember you can always add your | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
thoughts to theirs on Twitter, we love it when they cascade in. | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
First up tonight, the new movie from the arthouse's middle-aged | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
enfant terrible, if that's not a contradiction in terms, Lars Von | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
Trier. His seriously injudicious remarks | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
about Hitler at the Cannes Film Festival rather overshadowed the | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
premiere of his film, for which Kirsten Dunst won Best Actress. | :02:04. | :02:13. | |
Opening here today, Melancholia is a vision of the end of the Earth. | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
Lars von Trier Melancholia dives into the family Dee namics of two | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
very different sisters played by Kirsten Dunst and Charlotte | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
Gainsbourg. Split into two parts the film's first section follows | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
Dunst dns as she navigates her way through her wedding reception and | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
spirals downwards in the face of tension between her divorced | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
parents played by John Hurt and Charlotte Rampling. I just have one | :02:40. | :02:47. | |
thing to say, enjoy it while it lasts. I, myself, hate marriages. | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
Gaby, please. Especially, when they involve some of my closest family | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
members. The parents don't help the situation at the wedding. They are | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
pretty horrible to her and, you know, she tries to rely on her | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
father towards the end when things are falling apart. The first part | :03:08. | :03:16. | |
of the film. He disappears. Yeah, I think, that Justine's parents are | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
irresponsible. So, what can I say? Without talking about your mother | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
was thrilled to do something in frobt front of the camera -- front | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
of the camera for last. I said, why is it that you always ask me to do | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
the voice. You never asked ask me to be in front of the cam rafplt he | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
called my bluff and asked me to be in it and I said yes. | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
Melancholia he reflects his own experience of depression on to the | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
big screen as portrayed by Dunst. It's not something that sin | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
mattically you see often because don't want to eat, they want to | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
sleep. It's very difficult to do. Lars really made it cinematic. | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
the wedding reception from hell isn't disastrous enough. In Act 2 | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
we witness the looming end of the world as the plants Melancholia | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
continues on it's collision course with earth. Claire Claire, look at | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
me, you have to trust the scientists. They say that it will | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
hit - No, they don't. That's not true. Not the real scientists. Not | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
the prophets of doom. They will write whatever they can to attract | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
atenge of the the real scientists all of them agree Melancholia will | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
pass in front of us. It will be the most beautiful sight ever. They | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
contrast the mood of the two sister as Melancholia draws near. Claire's | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
his steer steer ya and Justine's calm or welcome aacceptance of the | :04:48. | :04:57. | |
end of the world. The earth is evil. We don't need to grieve for it. | :04:57. | :05:06. | |
What? Nobody will miss it. So, Lars von Trier's stock and trade is a | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
shock factor. This is all an altogether different mood. Did you | :05:10. | :05:17. | |
think it was convincing? Well, I think everything turns on whether | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
you can suspend your disbelief. For the fir haft half of the film when | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
Melancholia is claiming Kirsten Dunst for it is own you are with it. | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
When the planet depression is coming. In they are in a fairytale | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
castle I was straining then to believe what was going on. By the | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
start we start thinking, why is one sister French and why is one | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
American? Why is nobody turning on the television? Once the doubts | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
creep in, I think you are rather lost. He had lost you at that | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
point? You weren't going with the whole idea this was - No, also you | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
have to believe. I suppose to be convinced by it you have to agree | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
with his ideological point of view, that life is hopeless. His own | :05:58. | :06:05. | |
views are put into the voice of Kirsten Dunst. It's not a film for | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
optimists. Only pessimistics are proved right. They seem the best | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
prepared for the end of life. Life is evil. At the beginning it laid | :06:13. | :06:23. | |
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out in front of you a hyper real Sh re-rek meetsmelee at the start? | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
wasn't quite spoiler, it wasn't trailers. He laid out the menu. | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
They pair off during the film. There is that wit about Lars von | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
Trier. He is trying to take you to the heart of depression. The | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
keebgyness of the whole of the second half being about the world | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
being consumed by a planet called Melancholia, there is a naughtiness | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
and a wit about that that, I think, adds an extra dimension. Is it a | :06:51. | :06:58. | |
real world? No, it's Lars von Trier land. It's a metaphorcle space. | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
That metaphorical space encroachs until we are consumed by metaphor. | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
You go with. It people related and total different accents. You go | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
into his world. The whole idea and Ekow of exploring its own | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
depression was done m one way in anti-Christ, it was done in a | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
different way this time. Also, what Kirsten Dunst said was, she brought | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
elements of her own depression to it. I thought that her - the way | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
she handled the wedding sequence, where she was so up, was very, very | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
beautifully done? I mean, I think it's bizarre and also beautiful | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
film. It does - it plays by its own rules. It breaks a loft rules. It | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
is an end to the world apocalyse movie, the reverse of most of those. | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
Normally in an end of the world movie, the world is a beautiful | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
place and people are good to each other. At the start you don't know | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
the world with end. We know from the start that it will go very | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
badly wrong wrong. We are introDawesed by Kirsten Dunst that | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
the world is corrupt and evil and so on. The world isn't really evil. | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
We see it through her eyes. Through this amazing first half, the | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
wedding theme, we see all these people who should be joyious, we | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
see them through her eyes. What we see is that they are quite flawed. | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
They are quite corrupt in their own way. By the time that the world | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
comes to end, at the end, it's almost a relief because we've seen | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
this things aren't perfect. It's a traumatic end. We can go on to talk | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
about a beautiful nend one way. What did you make the notion that | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
Melancholia was a romantic view of depression in a way? I thought it | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
was the most wonderful fillment. It con found your expectations. You | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
never know what is going to happen. It starts as a social comedy with | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
the terrible family it has symbolic images going on. It looks amazing. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
I felt the idea of Melancholia and the discussions about what role | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
does rationalism have in the world was fascinating. You have, you know, | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
you always do have in von Trier a scientists figure who believes | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
everything will be all right. He introduces this element of doubt | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
into it. The depressive is more prepared to cope with the ultimate | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
reality. I thought - A relief? relief. You do think about those | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
things. Well, for me, the planet couldn't have hit quick enough, | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
honestly. Get it over with. Put everybody out of their miseryy. For | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
the first half of the film I thought it enthralling. Not often | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
you see an unblinking account of depression. Also - interesting you | :09:40. | :09:47. | |
say that, I suppose a lot of films from the Viryin Suicides have dealt | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
with depression not in such a seering way? They have soft focused | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
and romanticised. Have you this plas Sid face of Kirsten Dunst she | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
is slowly cracking. Everybody is getting angry with her and wants | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
her to be happy. The way it pulls through. That wonderful change | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
where Kirsten Dunst who becomes the person who is accepting of the end | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
of the world, Charlotte Gainsbourg who is her tender sister, in an a | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
most unexpected way, becomes more hisster lcle. It's made in two half | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
that reverses the relationship between the two sisters. Gainsbourg | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
seems to be the person who is coping and looking after her, she | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
is not prepared for this event. Experience of depression that | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
prepared the Kirsten Dunst character for that. What is great | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
about this film, actually, movie by movie Lars von Trier is getting far | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
more sympathetic to his female characters. More optimistic film | :10:46. | :10:54. | |
for me. The women are right at the centre of his world. He has changed | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
his attitude to women. Kirsten Dunst has rarely been better. You | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
believe in them as women. It's rare to see two figure that is you do | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
utterly believe in. What is interesting, in the point of Lars | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
von Trier's career, maybe I made a mainstream American film, how awful | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
would that be? In doing so he put these two women together | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
beautifully? Again he has broken a set of rules here. We think of | :11:23. | :11:30. | |
these films - there should be hysteria and Mela drama. It gets | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
calmer and calmer and more naturalistic as it goes on. It | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
becomes very calm, very sur rein and beautiful. I love this notion | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
that you can face death and hor oor and look at it in the face. | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
If a dream-like state is where you want to be, or maybe you are | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
already, then Melancholia might fit your mood. | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
The film was released nationwide today. | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
Now, you'd have thought that melancholy might pervade a new | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
dance piece based on the tragic operas Dido and Aeneas and Orpheus | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
and Euridice. But with Montreal based La La La | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
Human Steps you never know what to expect, except frenetic pace and | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
the dancers' unbelievable fitness. One thing we definitely didn't | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
expect was that the choreographer, Eduoard Lock, would lose his voice | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
before we interviewed him, so listen carefully! So listen up. The | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
human body can only be push sod far. But for the dancers in Edouard | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
Lock's celebrated company, La La Human Steps that is further than | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
most of us. Entering it's 30 year, the group has collaborated with | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
some of the most stylishicons, from David Bowe. New work which opened | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
this week at Sadler's Wells theatre was choreographed by the company's | :12:46. | :12:55. | |
founder, Lock. The narrative itself is abstract. It's easy to imagine | :12:55. | :13:04. | |
you are last remaining thoughts of Dido as she dies. There are sub | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
text to these stories. You can assume there will be enough hooks | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
in these stories to take away a personal point of view on the part | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
of the person who created it and probably on the part of the people | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
who are coming to see it. La La Human Steps different choreography | :13:21. | :13:29. | |
has evolved since the day of itsmuse and their initial rise to | :13:29. | :13:39. | |
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fame in the 1980s from the punk pioneers. I work with the ballet, | :13:40. | :13:47. | |
1997, so that idea of a flex and abstraction, in a way ballet fight | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
it is because it's a set of lines and portions. You end up seeing and | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
not seeing at the same time. Something I like. It's's hard to | :13:56. | :14:04. | |
describe a style with words. I think that there is a flex to one | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
in movement that's difficult to discuss or to define. Added to the | :14:08. | :14:18. | |
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mix is a new score by Gavin Bryars. Set designed. There is a very old | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
concept to the idea of dance in theatre. You have essentially two | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
groups of strangers that have never met. That will meet for a short | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
period of time without officially meeting and without officially | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
saying goodbye. During that period of time there is going to be an | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
exchange of something. So can they bring fresh perspective to two of | :14:46. | :14:56. | |
These stories, essentially tragic stories. Is it a counterpoint, the | :14:56. | :15:02. | |
frenetic pace of the piece? thing about La La La Human Steps | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
and this piece, the dance is an expressive medium. And this is not | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
expressive at all. It has stripped out everything that is moving or | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
interesting, or dramatic or emotional about the stories, and | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
reduced it to a set of hyperkinetic movements. I used to love this | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
company and now I think they fall into my general rule of a void | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
Canadian contemporary dance. Because it is all about movement, | :15:28. | :15:35. | |
it is not about dance. It is not about emotion, feeling or sought. | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
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His fetters isation... I think it has got stuck. He has got stuck. If | :15:46. | :15:56. | |
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we were all more fit, we could do the movements that we do. Amanda... | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
It is three movements repeated for 85 minutes. I was quite reassured | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
by that. When I was told what was on the bill was modern dance, for | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
all I knew they were going to be naked. When they were running about | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
on there. Shoes, I thought, this is within the grammar that I | :16:19. | :16:25. | |
understand -- their point shoes. But apart from flicking and | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
pirouetting, there were not any elongation saw anything that might | :16:30. | :16:36. | |
have opened it out. As a spectacle, what did you make of it? I thought | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
it was stunning for at least the first half. We could not see the | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
way they into played with each other, and with the lights and the | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
sound. You get the hyperkinetic movement under these very harsh | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
spotlights, it suddenly becomes something else. You get an after | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
image of a physical movements, they appear to be blaring, or flattering. | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
The intensity of that, and the deconstructed nature of it... | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
Didn't you want to see them, and just to stop for a moment, so you | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
could have something different? They are wonderful dancers, dancers | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
are great and they do what they are told, but it didn't have anything | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
except the movement. I couldn't have done what they did with 1 | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
million years rehearsal, but I thought the compulsive, repetitive | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
nature of what they were doing did have a real impact. What made the | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
evening for me was the incredible score. Although I think the piece | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
was too long, and the repetition and obsessive repetition was over- | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
extended, the score kept on giving me a new angle. It was an | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
incredibly eclectic score with the rock, jazz, minimalism. It had a | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
real integrity and it wasn't just a scrapbook. That kept on refracting | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
the experience of these same obsessive movements. In terms of | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
feelings, I agree that they were focused on the rage of loss, | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
whereas there wasn't much melancholy of loss. I thought the | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
melancholy came in the images, the video projection of the mothers and | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
daughters... That is a Freudian thing, I saw a youth and age. You | :18:17. | :18:24. | |
saw mother and daughter. I saw what was going out and as you got older. | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
-- what was going to happen. I have seen this as part of a work in | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
progress, he is trying to work out a different form of physical | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
grammar. He has been stuck in that for a long time. No concession to | :18:38. | :18:47. | |
emotion. I disagree. The audience at one. Wanted to applaud | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
spontaneously after a particular point, accompanied by the most | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
emotional music. The other thing, there was a strange feeling of | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
jeopardy all night. The physical contortions were so extreme. At one | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
moment, the male dancer kind of slipped and seemed injured, and | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
said sorry. It was the most skin tingling moment. I wondered if that | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
was acted. Dance as a way of expressing emotion is what we think | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
about, and we think about traditional ballet as narrative. He | :19:23. | :19:31. | |
says it is not about narrative. You have to hang it on something. | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
think he has gone up a blind alley. I think he has done really | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
interesting work and it is very hard to keep renewing your ideas | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
over 30 years. What he has got stuck with, the score was fantastic, | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
full of rich things, yet his only response was essentially to repeat | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
the same thing over and over. It wasn't interesting. He added bits | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
around the edge like the bits of wood that kept coming up and down. | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
I thought what was really interesting was that the dancers | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
were almost entirely backlit, so it was about line and shape. And yet I | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
got really strong senses of their personality. I wanted to see their | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
faces, and I realised I was engaging with them, particularly | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
the small figure scuttling around and kind of picking men, emerged as | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
a real personality. It was about the ballerinas for me. The men were | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
very much in the supporting role. It was emphasised by the fact that | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
they were in suits, and the women were in black leotards. You can see | :20:32. | :20:39. | |
why you might want to be the star for the night. The performances of | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
La La La Human Steps, simply titled New Work, is one at Sadler's Wells | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
until Sunday. In a moment we will discuss Philip | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
Glenister's new drama. If you were imagine the underworld in which | :20:52. | :20:58. | |
Orpheus found you're DG, you could do worse than the new novel, The | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
Message. He has created a world that is a mixture of Apocalypse Now | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
and Carry On Up the Kaaba, except set in Africa, obviously. | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
The fictional acts -- African state of Shima is the setting for Tarik | :21:13. | :21:23. | |
Goddard's novel, The Message. It is about the search for the Mahdi, a | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
former warlord who has declared himself the leader of the Arab | :21:27. | :21:37. | |
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They search for the erratic and elusive Mahdi. I wanted to write a | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
You look at what is happening in the world and what is happening at | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
the time of writing, and what will still be true in two ears. In my | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
book, that would be very generic, things like Africa will will still | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
be a violent country. This is Stoddart's 5th novel and was | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
written before the recent upheavals in the Arab world. Goddard takes a | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
Africa on the brink of civil unrest and takes a thriller to look at the | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
international reaction to the possibility, or threat of change. | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
If you are writing as a journalist, just before the Arab Spring there | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
was a massive piece in the Economist, and they predicted no | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
change in a generation, just because they were looking at the | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
facts. Imagination can make you appear ridiculous and as though you | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
have not been paying proper attention to the world, but it | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
liberates you to write what a delight, and you can anticipate and | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
right from hope. I hoped that there would be changed in the developing | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
world, or in North Africa. Might fall was precious and he had | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
to get away from humans to understand it properly. -- night | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
for was pressures. To search the strips of blackening cloud for | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
clues of why he was chosen and others were not. Impatience was the | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
essence of this particular night. The crack in the world was growing | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
larger and in days, his men would be in the capital. In weeks, | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
Tanzania, then Kenya, Africa, other continents. The culmination of a | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
journey through his life into All Whites lay ahead. His enemies | :23:15. | :23:22. | |
reduced to consenting be well don't. -- life into all lives. Can fiction | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
compete with real life that has been almost too hard to imagine. | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
His main aim is to make a political point, do you think that is the | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
role of popular fiction? I think it should be one of the Rolls and he | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
is trying to do this big picture think of looking at geopolitics, | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
off contemporary imperialism, of the developing world, and Cram | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
those in with a pulpy plot. It does not succeed because he can't quite | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
decide where the balance should fall. The plot is schematic, the | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
characters are sketched out rather than fleshed out, and they all | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
speak with the same boys, they have a tendency to stand back and the | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
loss of lies in his voice, not in their own voices. -- pick with the | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
same voice. In terms of the idea of turning something around fast and | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
responding to real events, and digging in and imagining what would | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
happen, I like that idea. character who was most convincing | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
for me was the Iranian intelligence officer character. He gives him an | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
interior life and a conflict. thought what was interesting about | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
that was one of the things the book questions is, is this a | :24:34. | :24:42. | |
continuation of small African states, a playground, a walled | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
ground between power blocs, or something fundamentally shifted now | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
that a fundamentalist religion is being fed into that mix. I thought | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
it was a fascinating question and that is why that character is | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
richer, because it is a fresher question. It is the kind of plot of | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
two power blocs being 100 years old, at 200 years old, and a lot of the | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
rest of it feels a bit hackneyed. That was the freshest element of it | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
for me. And relevant now. Although it was written two years ago and | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
very much about Iran, look at what is going on today in Yemen. I quite | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
agree that the Iranian experts going into it, having to cope with | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
this younger, more bureaucratic zealots that he has to cope with... | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
He has lived in London and he reads interesting fiction and different | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
kinds of things. He turns out to be an unreliable narrator, but I think | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
the character you are invited to identify with, but it seems as if | :25:39. | :25:47. | |
the author rather eights, is this posh Surrey girls, who would rather | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
be back in Surrey where it is raining, watching Ski Sunday. | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
seemed a bit like a graphic novel without the pictures. It feels like | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
a film script as well, you can imagine it in a different format. I | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
quite like the novels of car-hire son and I thought, it reminds me of | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
that. The idea of serious politics being treated in a mad, car to any | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
way. The difference that is that he builds the characters. Goddard | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
leaves them as cartoons, that is essentially the problem, so it is | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
hard to engage with them as they go through the book. You get slightly | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
irritated with them all. He is more interested in the idea of the | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
characters, and I actually suspect that although he is drawn to the | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
notion of fiction, I suspect he would be quite happy sitting back | :26:42. | :26:52. | |
:26:52. | :26:57. | ||
I thought the most cartoonish were some of the better moments. I | :26:57. | :27:05. | |
thought he was trying to be a bit more weighty. The idea of the Mahdi | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
figure, there were so many different things going on. The idea | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
that there is this fanatical religious figure in the middle of | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
it, I suppose that would play with... It wants to be Conrad. At | :27:17. | :27:24. | |
the same time, there was an orientalist aspect which I was | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
uncomfortable about. He said, he doesn't just want to see Africa as | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
a place of violence, and then we have this strange... It is a place | :27:34. | :27:42. | |
of violence. Cannibalising pygmies with blow darts. It is a definite | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
generic African country that Biggles could have visited. There | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
was a weird thing where the bag was opened by the pygmies and penis is | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
and fingers dropped out. I wondered if that was deliberate. I think he | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
got seduced by some of those ideas. It was partly parodic, partly pulpy, | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
but he got into the pulpy element slightly too much and he lost touch | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
of some of the politics he was trying to cover. He makes his own | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
mission statement at the end of the book. But make sure hair curl. When | :28:15. | :28:24. | |
he says about... 0 books, they are supposed to be against the malls of | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
mass consumerism and mass culture, a thing, he is on the programme, | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
right enough. Against -- I think. Against mass culture on the one | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
hand and against the bureaucracy of academe on the other, and he is | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
supposed to be finding his place for debate between the two. This is | :28:42. | :28:51. | |
the place for the debate and The Message is in stores now. | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
Ronan Bennett's new BBC One drama has no shortage of plot strands. | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
Hidden is a new vehicle for one of TV's best-loved stars. Few | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
characters are as imprinted on the national psyche as life on Mars's | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
misanthropic detective, Gene Hunt. Now Philip Glenister, the actor who | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
made the role his own, is starring in a new conspiracy thriller, | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
Higdon, which has tended him back to BBC One for the first time since | :29:20. | :29:30. | |
:29:30. | :29:31. | ||
It was the writing and the story. I met Ronan Bennett. We met and had a | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
drink and talked about. It it sounded very interesting. Very | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
intriguing. Something very of its time, now. Harry Venn is a small | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
time solicitor with a murky past much he comes face-to-face with his | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
history when lawyer Gina Hawkes, played by Thekla Reuten asks for | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
help in locating a witness. Drawn in by intrigue and money, Harry | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
agrees hooked with the possibility of investigating the violent death | :30:04. | :30:13. | |
of his brother 20 years before. saw Harry. There is one problem, | :30:13. | :30:20. | |
Stevie, he's dead. He has been for 20 years much my dad IDed his body. | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
I think the performances reflected is in the tiet until that thing of | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
having a number of skeletons in your cupboard. As I say, through | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
his journey we see points where we wonder, you know, what he's going | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
to giveaway. What's going to be revealed. How he's going to cope | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
with it. Set against a back drop of political scandal and corruption, | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
with London's streets alive with familiar sites sights of riots and | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
protests, Harry sinked deeper into a hidden conspiracy he can't begin | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
to understand. Ronan Bennett whose writing credits include Public | :31:01. | :31:07. | |
Enemies wrote the script with producer Walter Bernstein best- | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
known for films such as Fail Safe. With the plots twists and dissolute | :31:14. | :31:21. | |
her eowe be enough to grip viewers? Will Harry shoulder Gene Hunt aside | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
in the public imagination? Actions have consequences. That's just the | :31:26. | :31:34. | |
law of nature. I'll need to find out who killed Mark and why. Mark, | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
Philip Glenister is in the hands of a well established brilliant writer. | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
Does he relish the challenge in the portrayal? He's a generous actor. | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
What a lot of people do is try and make the script more interesting | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
because -- by doing quirky things. Glenister is neutral, almost bland | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
in the part much he allows himself to be a vehicle for the 120y. It's | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
a great story. We saw part one I'm going to tune in. There are all | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
sorts of plot questions I want the answer to. At the beginning I | :32:06. | :32:12. | |
thought, am I going to engage with this guy? He almost runs the risk | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
of being bland. This a brave thing for the actor to do. I think he is | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
brilliant. He gives it a force field in the middle. I really did | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
love it. There are things about it that slightly annoy me, certainly | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
at the start. It's sub Chandleresque and slightly knowing | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
in that sense. Glenister has lines like, "I knew you were smart | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
because you didn't drink the coffee" it take as good actor to | :32:37. | :32:45. | |
pull those off. He does. As it went on that it was overcome - | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
settled down. You start to be very interested. You said that, I | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
enjoyed that because it's very knowing production. Knowing in the | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
best way. In as much as it takes for granted that the audience will | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
know a lot about the genre wants to get into it. It starts really fast. | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
It starts with a flashback. You don't know where you are for the | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
first ten minutes. It takes you along. It assumes that, because you | :33:10. | :33:16. | |
- because we have been watching great dramas on TV over the last | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
few years - Everybody is upping their game, the Wire State of Play | :33:21. | :33:28. | |
and The Killing it will be on BBC One at 9.00pm where Spooks played | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
well. It's challenging entertainment for the audience. | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
agree about Glenister. The audience has come to love and trust him so | :33:36. | :33:45. | |
much, even though he seems to be Gene Hunt on prosaic - Cocaine | :33:45. | :33:51. | |
actually. It's Mel kol ya. He is slightly sedated through it. Ronan | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
Bennett loves those flawed heroes? Doesn't he just. This is where I | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
disagree with you. There is knowing we could say it's tired because I | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
think everything that you would expect from the genre is absolutely | :34:02. | :34:09. | |
there. You know, have you a rumbled hero, check. His marriage is on the | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
rocks. Check. Disfaebted - all that LA gum shoe - The question is what | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
you do with that though? That is exciting to me. That is the good | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
frustrations of only seeing the first part. There is a massive | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
conspiracy thing going on. Political. You know there's - | :34:29. | :34:36. | |
think the women were fantastic. Glenister is a magnetic force field. | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
Have you glamorous mysterious lawyer who comes in. His wife is | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
not depicted as the traditional wife. They are divorced but they | :34:44. | :34:51. | |
have a relationship that works. You know that she will be involved in | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
the conspiracy. It had a richness that took me by surprised and | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
undermined the ideaed that it would be genre. The idea of the under | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
arching political story the riots as well. It didn't feel like it was | :35:04. | :35:12. | |
shoe horned in anyway. It felt like we are dealing with a contemporary | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
drama. The glitter drama of London and that world was fantastic. The | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
flaw for me was that political strand. Those characters, the | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
coalition government, which isn't quite the same. That felt a little | :35:25. | :35:32. | |
bit more - It tried to be. Generic, in a bad way. A state of play | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
really. What I think it doesn't do is it doesn't manage to break frame | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
in the way that, say, The Killing did, that is what it will be judged | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
against. We don't know yet. It takes its psych psychic energy from | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
the crazy state of our real world at the moment. From the fact that, | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
you know, we are living in a time of 13y. When politicians and | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
governments are lying to us. We are living in a time of riots and | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
uncertainty and economic downfall. All of that is going on in the | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
background maybe explicitly or inexplicitly. They have taken all | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
of those elements and formed them into sl something here. I don't | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
think it's that heavy-handed. I think there is a lot - Very modern. | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
It was using all the elements, tick, tick of a genre it felt like a | :36:23. | :36:31. | |
breath of fresh air. Tkwhren glen - - Glenister really. It's unfolding, | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
you have no - It's not helping you. Not helping you in anyway. You have | :36:36. | :36:46. | |
:36:46. | :36:47. | ||
to go with it. You know what happens, don't you? Yeah. I watched | :36:47. | :36:54. | |
Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy the night before, I found this very easy to | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
read. If you are ready to get your teeth | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
into a fast paced piece of modern drama, Hidden will be on very | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
public display at 9.00pm next Thursday on BBC One. | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
In a moment, Maverick Sabre will be here to get you into the mood for | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
Later with Jools Holland, which tonight features Kasabian and Wilko | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
Johnson. But first, on Tuesday we heard of | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
the loss of one of the BBC's great comedy legends, David Croft, and we | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
couldn't finish tonight without a taste of what made him so famous. | :37:22. | :37:29. | |
Any man who can't attend on Saturday, take one pace forward. | :37:29. | :37:38. | |
Your name will also go on the list. What is it? Don't tell him Pike. | :37:38. | :37:48. | |
:37:48. | :37:51. | ||
Pike. I'm free. I'm afraid the whole occasion overcame us. One of | :37:51. | :37:59. | |
my assistants who used to say that our material was self-cleaning | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
pornography. We always clean it up in the end, if you listen long | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
enough, it was in your mind, not in ours. Good morning. Good morning. | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
One minute late. You're lucky to have me at all Captain Peacock, I | :38:13. | :38:23. | |
had to sort my pussy out before I came! What is it Sergeant Major. | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
Get your head down! You can rely on me, Sergeant Major. The only thing | :38:29. | :38:38. | |
I can rely on you is to pounce about like an old tart. Hello, | :38:38. | :38:46. | |
campers, Hi-de-Hi!. I just want you to know I'm not going to give up. | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
I'll keep on trying. I'll be wearing that yellow coat one day, | :38:50. | :39:00. | |
:39:00. | :39:03. | ||
you'll see. Hi-de-Hi!. Ho-de-ho. seems so very long. What does? | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
morning. Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once. | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
# There's no business like... # I always try to send to the public | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
away happy if I could. Where is that voice coming from? I dread to | :39:21. | :39:31. | |
:39:31. | :39:35. | ||
think, sir. Wonderful. Did he send you to bed | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
happy? Those shows were part of my chooldhood. Mr Humphreys from Are | :39:40. | :39:48. | |
You Being Served? Is the character I have aspired to be at various | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
points of my life. The most enduring relationship is the | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
captain relationship. What is fascinating about this, maybe urban | :39:56. | :40:03. | |
legend, maybe truth, the cast was reversed. They realised that the da | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
Natic was more interesting if it was reversed. That sustained that | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
show for 20 years and is still being repeated today. The magic of | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
it all lay in having the patrician Wilson being bossed around by the | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
Sergeant Major type. The the most successful British comedies were | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
about class and authority really that struggle. That is what we | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
relate to. David Croft, the world will be a | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
less funny place without him. That's it for tonight, thanks to my | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
guests, Amanda Vickery, Mark Ravenhill, Sarah Crompton and Ekow | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
Eshun. Remember, you can find out more | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
details on all of tonight's items on our website, and can keep in | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
touch on Twitter. It's amazing how much criticism, | :40:45. | :40:53. | |
cultural or otherwise, you can fit in 140 characters. | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
Next week, I'll be joined by guests including Ian Rankin and Olivia | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
Williams to discuss Woody Allen's latest film, a brand new episode of | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
The Comic Strip Presents and the Tate's new Gerhard Richter | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
exhibition. Jools Holland is up next, but first | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
joining us in the studio to play you into the weekend is Maverick | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
Sabre with, I need. Good Night. | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
# I need sunshine # I need angels | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
# I need # Something good | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
# Yeah, I need # Blue skies | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
# I need them old times # I need | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
# Something good # Yeah, something good | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
# Something tkwood good # Yeah, something good | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
# Oh oh oh oh # All these days seem so far away | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
# And I went too far enough to wait # I've come | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
# Way back then wh I hadn't seen # Half them things I never thought | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
I'd see # Become someone I'd never thought | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
I'd be$$NEWLINE# Oh oh oh oh # Cause there's something good | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
# Yeah, I need sunshine # I need angels | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
# I need # Something good | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
# Yeah, I need # Blue skies | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
# I need them old times # I need | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
# Something good # Yeah, something good | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
# Something good # Yeah, something good | :42:28. | :42:36. | |
# Oh oh oh oh # All these days seem to fade away | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
# As I lost faith in the myself # Questioned everything I stood for | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
# No, in I ain't more left to look for in life | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
# I began to lose all # Found it harder to cope | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
# With everything around me # And them people that would doubt | :42:52. | :42:59. | |
# Oh, I, I was in a place that I didn't wanna be | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
# Seeing face after face I didn't wanna see | :43:03. | :43:10. | |
# I, I, I didn't go out of my mind # Only God knows and all them girls | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
that I used to see running around # Was like the rain this that I | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
used to see pouring down # They did nothing for me | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
# I need sunshine # I need angels | :43:22. | :43:28. | |
# I need something good # Yeah, I need them blue skies | :43:28. | :43:37. |