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Tonight on the The Review Show, detectives, dancers, despots, death

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and destruction. Fear not, it's a fabulous way to start the weekend.

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Lars Von Trier's infamous comments at Cannes overshadowed his new film

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Melancholia, did it deserve more attention? Is evil. We didn't need

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to tpwreev for it. -- grieve for it. Bravura ballet on the stage at

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Sadler's Wells in the latest work from La La La Human Steps, but is

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there a concept behind the physical fireworks?

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Tariq Godard's new novel explores a religious uprising in Africa, does

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The Message show that timeliness is next to godliness?

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Philip Glenister is back on the BBC for the first time since hanging up

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his eighties car coat. Can Hidden bring him safely back to

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Earth? There's one problem, the woman's dead.

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MOBO Best Newcomer nominee Maverick Sabre plays us out, live in the

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Joining me here in Glasgow to mull over everything from choreography

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to calamity are: The writer and critic, Ekow Eshun.

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The playwright and librettist, Mark Ravenhill.

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The Daily Telegraph's Arts Editor, Sarah Crompton, and writer and

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historian Professor Amanda Vickery. Remember you can always add your

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thoughts to theirs on Twitter, we love it when they cascade in.

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First up tonight, the new movie from the arthouse's middle-aged

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enfant terrible, if that's not a contradiction in terms, Lars Von

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Trier. His seriously injudicious remarks

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about Hitler at the Cannes Film Festival rather overshadowed the

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premiere of his film, for which Kirsten Dunst won Best Actress.

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Opening here today, Melancholia is a vision of the end of the Earth.

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Lars von Trier Melancholia dives into the family Dee namics of two

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very different sisters played by Kirsten Dunst and Charlotte

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Gainsbourg. Split into two parts the film's first section follows

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Dunst dns as she navigates her way through her wedding reception and

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spirals downwards in the face of tension between her divorced

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parents played by John Hurt and Charlotte Rampling. I just have one

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thing to say, enjoy it while it lasts. I, myself, hate marriages.

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Gaby, please. Especially, when they involve some of my closest family

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members. The parents don't help the situation at the wedding. They are

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pretty horrible to her and, you know, she tries to rely on her

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father towards the end when things are falling apart. The first part

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of the film. He disappears. Yeah, I think, that Justine's parents are

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irresponsible. So, what can I say? Without talking about your mother

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was thrilled to do something in frobt front of the camera -- front

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of the camera for last. I said, why is it that you always ask me to do

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the voice. You never asked ask me to be in front of the cam rafplt he

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called my bluff and asked me to be in it and I said yes.

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Melancholia he reflects his own experience of depression on to the

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big screen as portrayed by Dunst. It's not something that sin

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mattically you see often because don't want to eat, they want to

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sleep. It's very difficult to do. Lars really made it cinematic.

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the wedding reception from hell isn't disastrous enough. In Act 2

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we witness the looming end of the world as the plants Melancholia

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continues on it's collision course with earth. Claire Claire, look at

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me, you have to trust the scientists. They say that it will

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hit - No, they don't. That's not true. Not the real scientists. Not

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the prophets of doom. They will write whatever they can to attract

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atenge of the the real scientists all of them agree Melancholia will

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pass in front of us. It will be the most beautiful sight ever. They

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contrast the mood of the two sister as Melancholia draws near. Claire's

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his steer steer ya and Justine's calm or welcome aacceptance of the

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end of the world. The earth is evil. We don't need to grieve for it.

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What? Nobody will miss it. So, Lars von Trier's stock and trade is a

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shock factor. This is all an altogether different mood. Did you

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think it was convincing? Well, I think everything turns on whether

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you can suspend your disbelief. For the fir haft half of the film when

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Melancholia is claiming Kirsten Dunst for it is own you are with it.

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When the planet depression is coming. In they are in a fairytale

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castle I was straining then to believe what was going on. By the

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start we start thinking, why is one sister French and why is one

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American? Why is nobody turning on the television? Once the doubts

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creep in, I think you are rather lost. He had lost you at that

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point? You weren't going with the whole idea this was - No, also you

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have to believe. I suppose to be convinced by it you have to agree

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with his ideological point of view, that life is hopeless. His own

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views are put into the voice of Kirsten Dunst. It's not a film for

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optimists. Only pessimistics are proved right. They seem the best

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prepared for the end of life. Life is evil. At the beginning it laid

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out in front of you a hyper real Sh re-rek meetsmelee at the start?

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wasn't quite spoiler, it wasn't trailers. He laid out the menu.

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They pair off during the film. There is that wit about Lars von

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Trier. He is trying to take you to the heart of depression. The

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keebgyness of the whole of the second half being about the world

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being consumed by a planet called Melancholia, there is a naughtiness

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and a wit about that that, I think, adds an extra dimension. Is it a

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real world? No, it's Lars von Trier land. It's a metaphorcle space.

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That metaphorical space encroachs until we are consumed by metaphor.

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You go with. It people related and total different accents. You go

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into his world. The whole idea and Ekow of exploring its own

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depression was done m one way in anti-Christ, it was done in a

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different way this time. Also, what Kirsten Dunst said was, she brought

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elements of her own depression to it. I thought that her - the way

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she handled the wedding sequence, where she was so up, was very, very

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beautifully done? I mean, I think it's bizarre and also beautiful

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film. It does - it plays by its own rules. It breaks a loft rules. It

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is an end to the world apocalyse movie, the reverse of most of those.

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Normally in an end of the world movie, the world is a beautiful

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place and people are good to each other. At the start you don't know

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the world with end. We know from the start that it will go very

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badly wrong wrong. We are introDawesed by Kirsten Dunst that

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the world is corrupt and evil and so on. The world isn't really evil.

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We see it through her eyes. Through this amazing first half, the

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wedding theme, we see all these people who should be joyious, we

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see them through her eyes. What we see is that they are quite flawed.

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They are quite corrupt in their own way. By the time that the world

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comes to end, at the end, it's almost a relief because we've seen

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this things aren't perfect. It's a traumatic end. We can go on to talk

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about a beautiful nend one way. What did you make the notion that

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Melancholia was a romantic view of depression in a way? I thought it

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was the most wonderful fillment. It con found your expectations. You

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never know what is going to happen. It starts as a social comedy with

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the terrible family it has symbolic images going on. It looks amazing.

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I felt the idea of Melancholia and the discussions about what role

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does rationalism have in the world was fascinating. You have, you know,

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you always do have in von Trier a scientists figure who believes

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everything will be all right. He introduces this element of doubt

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into it. The depressive is more prepared to cope with the ultimate

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reality. I thought - A relief? relief. You do think about those

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things. Well, for me, the planet couldn't have hit quick enough,

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honestly. Get it over with. Put everybody out of their miseryy. For

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the first half of the film I thought it enthralling. Not often

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you see an unblinking account of depression. Also - interesting you

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say that, I suppose a lot of films from the Viryin Suicides have dealt

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with depression not in such a seering way? They have soft focused

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and romanticised. Have you this plas Sid face of Kirsten Dunst she

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is slowly cracking. Everybody is getting angry with her and wants

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her to be happy. The way it pulls through. That wonderful change

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where Kirsten Dunst who becomes the person who is accepting of the end

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of the world, Charlotte Gainsbourg who is her tender sister, in an a

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most unexpected way, becomes more hisster lcle. It's made in two half

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that reverses the relationship between the two sisters. Gainsbourg

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seems to be the person who is coping and looking after her, she

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is not prepared for this event. Experience of depression that

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prepared the Kirsten Dunst character for that. What is great

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about this film, actually, movie by movie Lars von Trier is getting far

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more sympathetic to his female characters. More optimistic film

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for me. The women are right at the centre of his world. He has changed

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his attitude to women. Kirsten Dunst has rarely been better. You

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believe in them as women. It's rare to see two figure that is you do

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utterly believe in. What is interesting, in the point of Lars

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von Trier's career, maybe I made a mainstream American film, how awful

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would that be? In doing so he put these two women together

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beautifully? Again he has broken a set of rules here. We think of

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these films - there should be hysteria and Mela drama. It gets

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calmer and calmer and more naturalistic as it goes on. It

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becomes very calm, very sur rein and beautiful. I love this notion

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that you can face death and hor oor and look at it in the face.

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If a dream-like state is where you want to be, or maybe you are

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already, then Melancholia might fit your mood.

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The film was released nationwide today.

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Now, you'd have thought that melancholy might pervade a new

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dance piece based on the tragic operas Dido and Aeneas and Orpheus

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and Euridice. But with Montreal based La La La

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Human Steps you never know what to expect, except frenetic pace and

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the dancers' unbelievable fitness. One thing we definitely didn't

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expect was that the choreographer, Eduoard Lock, would lose his voice

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before we interviewed him, so listen carefully! So listen up. The

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human body can only be push sod far. But for the dancers in Edouard

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Lock's celebrated company, La La Human Steps that is further than

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most of us. Entering it's 30 year, the group has collaborated with

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some of the most stylishicons, from David Bowe. New work which opened

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this week at Sadler's Wells theatre was choreographed by the company's

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founder, Lock. The narrative itself is abstract. It's easy to imagine

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you are last remaining thoughts of Dido as she dies. There are sub

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text to these stories. You can assume there will be enough hooks

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in these stories to take away a personal point of view on the part

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of the person who created it and probably on the part of the people

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who are coming to see it. La La Human Steps different choreography

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has evolved since the day of itsmuse and their initial rise to

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fame in the 1980s from the punk pioneers. I work with the ballet,

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1997, so that idea of a flex and abstraction, in a way ballet fight

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it is because it's a set of lines and portions. You end up seeing and

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not seeing at the same time. Something I like. It's's hard to

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describe a style with words. I think that there is a flex to one

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in movement that's difficult to discuss or to define. Added to the

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mix is a new score by Gavin Bryars. Set designed. There is a very old

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concept to the idea of dance in theatre. You have essentially two

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groups of strangers that have never met. That will meet for a short

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period of time without officially meeting and without officially

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saying goodbye. During that period of time there is going to be an

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exchange of something. So can they bring fresh perspective to two of

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These stories, essentially tragic stories. Is it a counterpoint, the

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frenetic pace of the piece? thing about La La La Human Steps

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and this piece, the dance is an expressive medium. And this is not

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expressive at all. It has stripped out everything that is moving or

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interesting, or dramatic or emotional about the stories, and

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reduced it to a set of hyperkinetic movements. I used to love this

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company and now I think they fall into my general rule of a void

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Canadian contemporary dance. Because it is all about movement,

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it is not about dance. It is not about emotion, feeling or sought.

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His fetters isation... I think it has got stuck. He has got stuck. If

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we were all more fit, we could do the movements that we do. Amanda...

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It is three movements repeated for 85 minutes. I was quite reassured

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by that. When I was told what was on the bill was modern dance, for

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all I knew they were going to be naked. When they were running about

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on there. Shoes, I thought, this is within the grammar that I

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understand -- their point shoes. But apart from flicking and

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pirouetting, there were not any elongation saw anything that might

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have opened it out. As a spectacle, what did you make of it? I thought

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it was stunning for at least the first half. We could not see the

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way they into played with each other, and with the lights and the

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sound. You get the hyperkinetic movement under these very harsh

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spotlights, it suddenly becomes something else. You get an after

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image of a physical movements, they appear to be blaring, or flattering.

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The intensity of that, and the deconstructed nature of it...

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Didn't you want to see them, and just to stop for a moment, so you

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could have something different? They are wonderful dancers, dancers

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are great and they do what they are told, but it didn't have anything

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except the movement. I couldn't have done what they did with 1

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million years rehearsal, but I thought the compulsive, repetitive

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nature of what they were doing did have a real impact. What made the

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evening for me was the incredible score. Although I think the piece

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was too long, and the repetition and obsessive repetition was over-

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extended, the score kept on giving me a new angle. It was an

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incredibly eclectic score with the rock, jazz, minimalism. It had a

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real integrity and it wasn't just a scrapbook. That kept on refracting

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the experience of these same obsessive movements. In terms of

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feelings, I agree that they were focused on the rage of loss,

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whereas there wasn't much melancholy of loss. I thought the

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melancholy came in the images, the video projection of the mothers and

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daughters... That is a Freudian thing, I saw a youth and age. You

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saw mother and daughter. I saw what was going out and as you got older.

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-- what was going to happen. I have seen this as part of a work in

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progress, he is trying to work out a different form of physical

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grammar. He has been stuck in that for a long time. No concession to

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emotion. I disagree. The audience at one. Wanted to applaud

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spontaneously after a particular point, accompanied by the most

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emotional music. The other thing, there was a strange feeling of

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jeopardy all night. The physical contortions were so extreme. At one

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moment, the male dancer kind of slipped and seemed injured, and

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said sorry. It was the most skin tingling moment. I wondered if that

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was acted. Dance as a way of expressing emotion is what we think

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about, and we think about traditional ballet as narrative. He

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says it is not about narrative. You have to hang it on something.

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think he has gone up a blind alley. I think he has done really

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interesting work and it is very hard to keep renewing your ideas

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over 30 years. What he has got stuck with, the score was fantastic,

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full of rich things, yet his only response was essentially to repeat

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the same thing over and over. It wasn't interesting. He added bits

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around the edge like the bits of wood that kept coming up and down.

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I thought what was really interesting was that the dancers

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were almost entirely backlit, so it was about line and shape. And yet I

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got really strong senses of their personality. I wanted to see their

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faces, and I realised I was engaging with them, particularly

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the small figure scuttling around and kind of picking men, emerged as

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a real personality. It was about the ballerinas for me. The men were

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very much in the supporting role. It was emphasised by the fact that

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they were in suits, and the women were in black leotards. You can see

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why you might want to be the star for the night. The performances of

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La La La Human Steps, simply titled New Work, is one at Sadler's Wells

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until Sunday. In a moment we will discuss Philip

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Glenister's new drama. If you were imagine the underworld in which

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Orpheus found you're DG, you could do worse than the new novel, The

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Message. He has created a world that is a mixture of Apocalypse Now

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and Carry On Up the Kaaba, except set in Africa, obviously.

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The fictional acts -- African state of Shima is the setting for Tarik

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Goddard's novel, The Message. It is about the search for the Mahdi, a

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former warlord who has declared himself the leader of the Arab

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They search for the erratic and elusive Mahdi. I wanted to write a

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You look at what is happening in the world and what is happening at

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the time of writing, and what will still be true in two ears. In my

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book, that would be very generic, things like Africa will will still

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be a violent country. This is Stoddart's 5th novel and was

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written before the recent upheavals in the Arab world. Goddard takes a

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Africa on the brink of civil unrest and takes a thriller to look at the

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international reaction to the possibility, or threat of change.

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If you are writing as a journalist, just before the Arab Spring there

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was a massive piece in the Economist, and they predicted no

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change in a generation, just because they were looking at the

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facts. Imagination can make you appear ridiculous and as though you

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have not been paying proper attention to the world, but it

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liberates you to write what a delight, and you can anticipate and

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right from hope. I hoped that there would be changed in the developing

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world, or in North Africa. Might fall was precious and he had

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to get away from humans to understand it properly. -- night

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for was pressures. To search the strips of blackening cloud for

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clues of why he was chosen and others were not. Impatience was the

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essence of this particular night. The crack in the world was growing

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larger and in days, his men would be in the capital. In weeks,

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Tanzania, then Kenya, Africa, other continents. The culmination of a

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journey through his life into All Whites lay ahead. His enemies

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reduced to consenting be well don't. -- life into all lives. Can fiction

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compete with real life that has been almost too hard to imagine.

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His main aim is to make a political point, do you think that is the

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role of popular fiction? I think it should be one of the Rolls and he

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is trying to do this big picture think of looking at geopolitics,

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off contemporary imperialism, of the developing world, and Cram

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those in with a pulpy plot. It does not succeed because he can't quite

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decide where the balance should fall. The plot is schematic, the

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characters are sketched out rather than fleshed out, and they all

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speak with the same boys, they have a tendency to stand back and the

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loss of lies in his voice, not in their own voices. -- pick with the

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same voice. In terms of the idea of turning something around fast and

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responding to real events, and digging in and imagining what would

:24:16.:24:20.

happen, I like that idea. character who was most convincing

:24:20.:24:25.

for me was the Iranian intelligence officer character. He gives him an

:24:25.:24:28.

interior life and a conflict. thought what was interesting about

:24:28.:24:34.

that was one of the things the book questions is, is this a

:24:34.:24:42.

continuation of small African states, a playground, a walled

:24:42.:24:46.

ground between power blocs, or something fundamentally shifted now

:24:46.:24:49.

that a fundamentalist religion is being fed into that mix. I thought

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it was a fascinating question and that is why that character is

:24:53.:24:57.

richer, because it is a fresher question. It is the kind of plot of

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two power blocs being 100 years old, at 200 years old, and a lot of the

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rest of it feels a bit hackneyed. That was the freshest element of it

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for me. And relevant now. Although it was written two years ago and

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very much about Iran, look at what is going on today in Yemen. I quite

:25:17.:25:21.

agree that the Iranian experts going into it, having to cope with

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this younger, more bureaucratic zealots that he has to cope with...

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He has lived in London and he reads interesting fiction and different

:25:31.:25:35.

kinds of things. He turns out to be an unreliable narrator, but I think

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the character you are invited to identify with, but it seems as if

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the author rather eights, is this posh Surrey girls, who would rather

:25:47.:25:54.

be back in Surrey where it is raining, watching Ski Sunday.

:25:54.:25:58.

seemed a bit like a graphic novel without the pictures. It feels like

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a film script as well, you can imagine it in a different format. I

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quite like the novels of car-hire son and I thought, it reminds me of

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that. The idea of serious politics being treated in a mad, car to any

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way. The difference that is that he builds the characters. Goddard

:26:20.:26:23.

leaves them as cartoons, that is essentially the problem, so it is

:26:24.:26:28.

hard to engage with them as they go through the book. You get slightly

:26:28.:26:33.

irritated with them all. He is more interested in the idea of the

:26:34.:26:38.

characters, and I actually suspect that although he is drawn to the

:26:38.:26:42.

notion of fiction, I suspect he would be quite happy sitting back

:26:42.:26:52.
:26:52.:26:57.

I thought the most cartoonish were some of the better moments. I

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thought he was trying to be a bit more weighty. The idea of the Mahdi

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figure, there were so many different things going on. The idea

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that there is this fanatical religious figure in the middle of

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it, I suppose that would play with... It wants to be Conrad. At

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the same time, there was an orientalist aspect which I was

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uncomfortable about. He said, he doesn't just want to see Africa as

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a place of violence, and then we have this strange... It is a place

:27:34.:27:42.

of violence. Cannibalising pygmies with blow darts. It is a definite

:27:42.:27:46.

generic African country that Biggles could have visited. There

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was a weird thing where the bag was opened by the pygmies and penis is

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and fingers dropped out. I wondered if that was deliberate. I think he

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got seduced by some of those ideas. It was partly parodic, partly pulpy,

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but he got into the pulpy element slightly too much and he lost touch

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of some of the politics he was trying to cover. He makes his own

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mission statement at the end of the book. But make sure hair curl. When

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he says about... 0 books, they are supposed to be against the malls of

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mass consumerism and mass culture, a thing, he is on the programme,

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right enough. Against -- I think. Against mass culture on the one

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hand and against the bureaucracy of academe on the other, and he is

:28:38.:28:42.

supposed to be finding his place for debate between the two. This is

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the place for the debate and The Message is in stores now.

:28:51.:28:56.

Ronan Bennett's new BBC One drama has no shortage of plot strands.

:28:56.:29:01.

Hidden is a new vehicle for one of TV's best-loved stars. Few

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characters are as imprinted on the national psyche as life on Mars's

:29:06.:29:11.

misanthropic detective, Gene Hunt. Now Philip Glenister, the actor who

:29:11.:29:15.

made the role his own, is starring in a new conspiracy thriller,

:29:15.:29:20.

Higdon, which has tended him back to BBC One for the first time since

:29:20.:29:30.
:29:30.:29:31.

It was the writing and the story. I met Ronan Bennett. We met and had a

:29:31.:29:36.

drink and talked about. It it sounded very interesting. Very

:29:36.:29:43.

intriguing. Something very of its time, now. Harry Venn is a small

:29:43.:29:49.

time solicitor with a murky past much he comes face-to-face with his

:29:49.:29:55.

history when lawyer Gina Hawkes, played by Thekla Reuten asks for

:29:56.:30:02.

help in locating a witness. Drawn in by intrigue and money, Harry

:30:02.:30:04.

agrees hooked with the possibility of investigating the violent death

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of his brother 20 years before. saw Harry. There is one problem,

:30:13.:30:20.

Stevie, he's dead. He has been for 20 years much my dad IDed his body.

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I think the performances reflected is in the tiet until that thing of

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having a number of skeletons in your cupboard. As I say, through

:30:31.:30:36.

his journey we see points where we wonder, you know, what he's going

:30:36.:30:40.

to giveaway. What's going to be revealed. How he's going to cope

:30:40.:30:45.

with it. Set against a back drop of political scandal and corruption,

:30:45.:30:50.

with London's streets alive with familiar sites sights of riots and

:30:50.:30:56.

protests, Harry sinked deeper into a hidden conspiracy he can't begin

:30:56.:31:01.

to understand. Ronan Bennett whose writing credits include Public

:31:01.:31:07.

Enemies wrote the script with producer Walter Bernstein best-

:31:07.:31:14.

known for films such as Fail Safe. With the plots twists and dissolute

:31:14.:31:21.

her eowe be enough to grip viewers? Will Harry shoulder Gene Hunt aside

:31:21.:31:26.

in the public imagination? Actions have consequences. That's just the

:31:26.:31:34.

law of nature. I'll need to find out who killed Mark and why. Mark,

:31:34.:31:38.

Philip Glenister is in the hands of a well established brilliant writer.

:31:38.:31:43.

Does he relish the challenge in the portrayal? He's a generous actor.

:31:43.:31:48.

What a lot of people do is try and make the script more interesting

:31:48.:31:53.

because -- by doing quirky things. Glenister is neutral, almost bland

:31:53.:31:57.

in the part much he allows himself to be a vehicle for the 120y. It's

:31:57.:32:02.

a great story. We saw part one I'm going to tune in. There are all

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sorts of plot questions I want the answer to. At the beginning I

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thought, am I going to engage with this guy? He almost runs the risk

:32:12.:32:16.

of being bland. This a brave thing for the actor to do. I think he is

:32:16.:32:19.

brilliant. He gives it a force field in the middle. I really did

:32:19.:32:22.

love it. There are things about it that slightly annoy me, certainly

:32:22.:32:28.

at the start. It's sub Chandleresque and slightly knowing

:32:28.:32:33.

in that sense. Glenister has lines like, "I knew you were smart

:32:34.:32:37.

because you didn't drink the coffee" it take as good actor to

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pull those off. He does. As it went on that it was overcome -

:32:45.:32:50.

settled down. You start to be very interested. You said that, I

:32:50.:32:53.

enjoyed that because it's very knowing production. Knowing in the

:32:53.:32:58.

best way. In as much as it takes for granted that the audience will

:32:58.:33:02.

know a lot about the genre wants to get into it. It starts really fast.

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It starts with a flashback. You don't know where you are for the

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first ten minutes. It takes you along. It assumes that, because you

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- because we have been watching great dramas on TV over the last

:33:16.:33:21.

few years - Everybody is upping their game, the Wire State of Play

:33:21.:33:28.

and The Killing it will be on BBC One at 9.00pm where Spooks played

:33:28.:33:33.

well. It's challenging entertainment for the audience.

:33:33.:33:36.

agree about Glenister. The audience has come to love and trust him so

:33:36.:33:45.

much, even though he seems to be Gene Hunt on prosaic - Cocaine

:33:45.:33:51.

actually. It's Mel kol ya. He is slightly sedated through it. Ronan

:33:51.:33:55.

Bennett loves those flawed heroes? Doesn't he just. This is where I

:33:55.:33:59.

disagree with you. There is knowing we could say it's tired because I

:33:59.:34:02.

think everything that you would expect from the genre is absolutely

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there. You know, have you a rumbled hero, check. His marriage is on the

:34:09.:34:15.

rocks. Check. Disfaebted - all that LA gum shoe - The question is what

:34:15.:34:19.

you do with that though? That is exciting to me. That is the good

:34:19.:34:23.

frustrations of only seeing the first part. There is a massive

:34:23.:34:29.

conspiracy thing going on. Political. You know there's -

:34:29.:34:36.

think the women were fantastic. Glenister is a magnetic force field.

:34:36.:34:41.

Have you glamorous mysterious lawyer who comes in. His wife is

:34:41.:34:43.

not depicted as the traditional wife. They are divorced but they

:34:44.:34:51.

have a relationship that works. You know that she will be involved in

:34:51.:34:55.

the conspiracy. It had a richness that took me by surprised and

:34:55.:35:00.

undermined the ideaed that it would be genre. The idea of the under

:35:00.:35:04.

arching political story the riots as well. It didn't feel like it was

:35:04.:35:12.

shoe horned in anyway. It felt like we are dealing with a contemporary

:35:12.:35:16.

drama. The glitter drama of London and that world was fantastic. The

:35:16.:35:22.

flaw for me was that political strand. Those characters, the

:35:22.:35:25.

coalition government, which isn't quite the same. That felt a little

:35:25.:35:32.

bit more - It tried to be. Generic, in a bad way. A state of play

:35:32.:35:36.

really. What I think it doesn't do is it doesn't manage to break frame

:35:36.:35:41.

in the way that, say, The Killing did, that is what it will be judged

:35:41.:35:47.

against. We don't know yet. It takes its psych psychic energy from

:35:47.:35:50.

the crazy state of our real world at the moment. From the fact that,

:35:50.:35:55.

you know, we are living in a time of 13y. When politicians and

:35:55.:35:59.

governments are lying to us. We are living in a time of riots and

:35:59.:36:04.

uncertainty and economic downfall. All of that is going on in the

:36:04.:36:09.

background maybe explicitly or inexplicitly. They have taken all

:36:09.:36:13.

of those elements and formed them into sl something here. I don't

:36:13.:36:18.

think it's that heavy-handed. I think there is a lot - Very modern.

:36:18.:36:23.

It was using all the elements, tick, tick of a genre it felt like a

:36:23.:36:31.

breath of fresh air. Tkwhren glen - - Glenister really. It's unfolding,

:36:31.:36:36.

you have no - It's not helping you. Not helping you in anyway. You have

:36:36.:36:46.
:36:46.:36:47.

to go with it. You know what happens, don't you? Yeah. I watched

:36:47.:36:54.

Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy the night before, I found this very easy to

:36:54.:36:59.

read. If you are ready to get your teeth

:36:59.:37:02.

into a fast paced piece of modern drama, Hidden will be on very

:37:02.:37:04.

public display at 9.00pm next Thursday on BBC One.

:37:04.:37:08.

In a moment, Maverick Sabre will be here to get you into the mood for

:37:08.:37:10.

Later with Jools Holland, which tonight features Kasabian and Wilko

:37:10.:37:13.

Johnson. But first, on Tuesday we heard of

:37:13.:37:16.

the loss of one of the BBC's great comedy legends, David Croft, and we

:37:16.:37:22.

couldn't finish tonight without a taste of what made him so famous.

:37:22.:37:29.

Any man who can't attend on Saturday, take one pace forward.

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Your name will also go on the list. What is it? Don't tell him Pike.

:37:38.:37:48.
:37:48.:37:51.

Pike. I'm free. I'm afraid the whole occasion overcame us. One of

:37:51.:37:59.

my assistants who used to say that our material was self-cleaning

:37:59.:38:02.

pornography. We always clean it up in the end, if you listen long

:38:02.:38:08.

enough, it was in your mind, not in ours. Good morning. Good morning.

:38:08.:38:13.

One minute late. You're lucky to have me at all Captain Peacock, I

:38:13.:38:23.

had to sort my pussy out before I came! What is it Sergeant Major.

:38:23.:38:29.

Get your head down! You can rely on me, Sergeant Major. The only thing

:38:29.:38:38.

I can rely on you is to pounce about like an old tart. Hello,

:38:38.:38:46.

campers, Hi-de-Hi!. I just want you to know I'm not going to give up.

:38:46.:38:50.

I'll keep on trying. I'll be wearing that yellow coat one day,

:38:50.:39:00.
:39:00.:39:03.

you'll see. Hi-de-Hi!. Ho-de-ho. seems so very long. What does?

:39:03.:39:09.

morning. Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once.

:39:09.:39:16.

# There's no business like... # I always try to send to the public

:39:16.:39:21.

away happy if I could. Where is that voice coming from? I dread to

:39:21.:39:31.
:39:31.:39:35.

think, sir. Wonderful. Did he send you to bed

:39:35.:39:40.

happy? Those shows were part of my chooldhood. Mr Humphreys from Are

:39:40.:39:48.

You Being Served? Is the character I have aspired to be at various

:39:48.:39:51.

points of my life. The most enduring relationship is the

:39:51.:39:56.

captain relationship. What is fascinating about this, maybe urban

:39:56.:40:03.

legend, maybe truth, the cast was reversed. They realised that the da

:40:03.:40:07.

Natic was more interesting if it was reversed. That sustained that

:40:07.:40:12.

show for 20 years and is still being repeated today. The magic of

:40:13.:40:19.

it all lay in having the patrician Wilson being bossed around by the

:40:19.:40:23.

Sergeant Major type. The the most successful British comedies were

:40:23.:40:27.

about class and authority really that struggle. That is what we

:40:27.:40:30.

relate to. David Croft, the world will be a

:40:30.:40:33.

less funny place without him. That's it for tonight, thanks to my

:40:33.:40:35.

guests, Amanda Vickery, Mark Ravenhill, Sarah Crompton and Ekow

:40:35.:40:40.

Eshun. Remember, you can find out more

:40:40.:40:43.

details on all of tonight's items on our website, and can keep in

:40:43.:40:45.

touch on Twitter. It's amazing how much criticism,

:40:45.:40:53.

cultural or otherwise, you can fit in 140 characters.

:40:53.:40:56.

Next week, I'll be joined by guests including Ian Rankin and Olivia

:40:56.:40:59.

Williams to discuss Woody Allen's latest film, a brand new episode of

:40:59.:41:02.

The Comic Strip Presents and the Tate's new Gerhard Richter

:41:02.:41:04.

exhibition. Jools Holland is up next, but first

:41:04.:41:07.

joining us in the studio to play you into the weekend is Maverick

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Sabre with, I need. Good Night.

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# I need # Something good

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# Yeah, I need # Blue skies

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# Something good # Yeah, something good

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# Something tkwood good # Yeah, something good

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# Oh oh oh oh # All these days seem so far away

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# And I went too far enough to wait # I've come

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# Way back then wh I hadn't seen # Half them things I never thought

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I'd see # Become someone I'd never thought

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I'd be$$NEWLINE# Oh oh oh oh # Cause there's something good

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# I need # Something good

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# Yeah, I need # Blue skies

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# I need them old times # I need

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# Something good # Yeah, something good

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# Something good # Yeah, something good

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# Oh oh oh oh # All these days seem to fade away

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# As I lost faith in the myself # Questioned everything I stood for

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# No, in I ain't more left to look for in life

:42:46.:42:49.

# I began to lose all # Found it harder to cope

:42:49.:42:52.

# With everything around me # And them people that would doubt

:42:52.:42:59.

# Oh, I, I was in a place that I didn't wanna be

:42:59.:43:03.

# Seeing face after face I didn't wanna see

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# I, I, I didn't go out of my mind # Only God knows and all them girls

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that I used to see running around # Was like the rain this that I

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used to see pouring down # They did nothing for me

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# I need sunshine # I need angels

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# I need something good # Yeah, I need them blue skies

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