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You all right, kid?

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-Two nice cups of tea there, please.

-Yeah, of course.

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Liverpudlian actor Ricky Tomlinson has had audiences glued to their

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screens for the past four decades.

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Most famously in the hit comedy The Royle Family.

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Dad! Stop fiddling with yourself!

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I'm not fiddling with myself, I paid a quid for these underpants,

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I've got 50p worth stuck up my arse!

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Ricky lives in Liverpool with his wife, Rita,

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and regularly performs at his own club in the city.

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Oh, I'm a Scouser, kid.

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I'm a Scouser, you believe me, yeah?

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HE LAUGHS

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There's a certain warmth about Liverpool people.

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They make you welcome. I think it's

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because we're used to strangers coming into the town.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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We had people in from Wigan last night.

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Four of them in a van. And on the back was a notice,

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"There are no pies kept in this van overnight."

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LAUGHTER

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Born in 1939, Ricky was the second of Albert and Margaret Tomlinson's

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four children.

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The truth is, we were poor. So was everyone else.

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But we were very lucky because my dad always worked,

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and my mum always worked.

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And we never went short of anything to eat.

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I'm so proud of the way she worked to get us where we are today.

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Three bloody jobs!

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My mum was tremendous. She was the driving force of the family.

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And I think something she instilled into myself and my three brothers is

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the work ethic. We're all grafters.

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He looked at me and he went, "Don't you miss the building game, Rick?"

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LAUGHTER

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Ricky began his working life at the age of 15, as a plasterer.

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But building site safety was no laughing matter.

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Health and safety was practically nil.

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Fellas would fall off scaffolds, scaffolds would collapse.

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Fellas would get buried alive.

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It was horrendous.

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Ricky became a union organiser,

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and in 1972 encouraged fellow building workers to join the first

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national building strike.

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I thought, "Someone's got to make a stand. Someone's got to say something."

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Ricky was later arrested, and

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charged with conspiracy to intimidate

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and sentenced to two years in prison.

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He still contests his conviction.

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I think I've probably got the way I am from my dad's family.

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The fighting spirit, if you will. I'm not taking no for an answer.

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And my dad, 27 years on nights as a baker,

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I thought the only people who worked in the night were burglars!

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When he died, it knocked us for six.

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55. Cancer.

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I get quite emotional.

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When they've gone, that's when you realise there's that hole there.

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I should have asked my dad about his side of the family.

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I would just like to know a simple thing - who were the Tomlinsons?

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Where did they come from?

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Who were they? What did they do?

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What's their background? Simple as that.

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Anyway, now, listen, what I want you

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to do, sit back, relax and enjoy the show.

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Ricky's come to Everton Park,

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built on the site of the streets where he grew up after they were

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demolished in the 1960s.

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It wasn't like this when we were kids.

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Obviously, this was all built up and stuff.

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We're probably walking over somewhere where my dad's bakery

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used to be. Kelly's Bakery.

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He's meeting his older brother, Albert.

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I didn't think I was going to make it up that hill!

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Well, you've took your time, mate! I'm freezing.

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RICKY LAUGHS

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-Hey!

-My God, things have changed around here.

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They've changed for the better though, haven't they?

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I'm just looking at this here. I've never noticed it before.

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That could be me, that.

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Look at the cobbles there. We used to play football on that and dive to

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save the ball. Look, not a blade of grass anywhere.

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This was all built up.

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-You can still see the Mersey clear here, look.

-Yeah.

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It was one of the busiest ports in the world.

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There wasn't a windmill in sight in them days.

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-And look at them now!

-Like being in Holland.

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THEY LAUGH

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All our lot comes from where that block of flats is now.

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That was the Tomlinsons' roots, wasn't it?

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That's where the Tommos lived.

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Me dad's side of the family all lived down there.

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We know tonnes and tonnes about my gran,

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but we don't know that much about my grandad, do we?

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-He was very quiet, wasn't he?

-Always in the background.

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I want to know more about him.

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So I think the best thing we can do is go and have a glass of beer.

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-I'm all for it.

-Come on.

-Let's go.

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RICKY LAUGHS

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Can I have my walking stick back?

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Here we go.

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My gran and my grandad.

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So that's as far as we've got!

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-Not very far!

-Have you got any information for me at all?

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First of all, here's an old photograph.

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Grandad Tommo, and Granny Tommo.

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-Is that my gran?

-It is indeed.

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-It's not the gran I knew.

-It's not, no.

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-Not the one you remember, is it, no.

-She's got teeth in that!

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THEY LAUGH

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Look at him in them days.

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My grandad with the cigarette in his mouth.

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He was actually quite dapper.

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-Oh, yeah.

-Because I can only remember him as this little old

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chap, sitting in the rocking chair.

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He sort of groans, "Oh!" Like a welcome, "Oh!"

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I never heard him speak.

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Oh, he spoke. Not a lot.

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But he had a broad Liverpool accent.

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Go away! A real Scouser?

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, very much so.

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-Go away!

-But as I say, we never seen him dressed up like that.

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-Never.

-He was always in his working gear, wasn't he?

-But look at the collar on his shirt.

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Spotless. They had nothing, but they had dignity, didn't they?

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-You know.

-That's it.

-They're at a wedding for someone.

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Must have been a Protestant church if she's got dressed up to go there.

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Wasn't she? She wouldn't have gone

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-to a Catholic church.

-No, no, no.

-But grandad would.

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He didn't give a monkeys one way or the other, did he?

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Oh, no. But I'm made up that I can see him as a younger man.

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Have you got another surprise for me?

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This is Grandad Tommo's death certificate.

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Died in 1947.

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I'd be eight when he died, then, wouldn't I?

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Richard Tomlinson, aged 60.

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Asphalter's labourer.

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So he was born in 1887.

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-No.

-Yes.

-Was he?

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If he died in '47 at 60.

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It's only a young man by today's standards.

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Yeah, but I can remember my mam saying that someone died at 60.

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"Oh, well, they've had a good innings."

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-Exactly.

-It's a good job it doesn't apply now,

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me and you would be well gone!

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THEY LAUGH

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Oh, another one! Let's have a look at this one.

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This is my mam and dad's marriage certificate.

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Look at the dates on that, will you?

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May 1936.

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-Now, hang on!

-November '36.

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Oh, just-in-time!

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THEY LAUGH

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Mum was three months pregnant when she got married.

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Well, look at this. Look at this.

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Richard Tomlinson, carter.

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I'm a little bit flummoxed about this now.

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I can't remember ever, ever hearing my grandad being a carter,

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-in my life.

-I've only ever known him as an asphalter.

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Yeah. You know what, this brings memories back now.

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There was tonnes of carters around in them days.

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But everything was horse-drawn then, wasn't it?

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-Everything.

-Practically, yeah.

-Your bin wagons, your milk floats,

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-your bread.

-But why they've got my grandad down there as a carter,

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I don't know. I wonder if there was anyone in his family before him that

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was a carter? Let's dig a bit deeper, see what he was up to.

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Until the 1950s, carters and their

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horse-drawn wagons were a common sight,

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transporting goods throughout Britain.

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And there were more working horses on the streets of Liverpool than in

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any other city outside London.

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I'm a bit surprised that no-one ever mentioned my grandad was a carter.

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I'm really interested to find out where this journey's going to lead.

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So I think the best place for me to

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go is to the library to see if they've got any records.

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There must be more knocking about.

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At Liverpool's Central Library, Ricky is meeting genealogist

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Olivia Robinson to see what else he

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can discover about his grandad's family and

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how far back he can trace the Tomlinson line.

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-It's a lovely building.

-It's amazing.

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So what do you know already?

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-He was a carter...

-OK.

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..on one of these certificates, and on another he was an asphalter.

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-Yeah.

-He was born roundabout 1886, and he was 60

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when he died. That's about all we've got at the moment.

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OK, right.

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Now we know which year he was born in,

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we're going to have a little look for his baptismal record.

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-Right.

-So if I can give you this.

-Yeah.

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You'll have to guide me here, kid.

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Now, where do we go now?

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That needs to go under the glass plate.

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Put it all the way through.

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Now, if you push that for a couple of seconds.

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-Good heavens.

-And stop.

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-There's loads, isn't there?

-Yeah.

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Loads and loads.

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We're into July now.

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There's loads on a daily basis there, isn't there?

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You're trying to scan them all.

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You get quite good at looking for the length of the name,

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-and the T at the beginning.

-Ah.

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Tomlinson. There's the name there, yeah.

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Richard and Sarah?

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-That's the mum and dad.

-Yeah.

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-Oh, blimey!

-So this is your grandfather.

-Yeah.

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And this is your great-grandfather and your great-grandmother.

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I can s... Blimey, look at that.

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I'm going to write this down now so I won't forget.

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What's the trade?

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Carter. Well, blimey!

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Well, what do you know!

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HE LAUGHS

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His dad was a carter.

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He's obviously followed his dad into the same trade.

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Can we go a little bit further back, you've got me guessing now, kid?

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This is an entry of birth.

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This is 1847, from Dale Street, Liverpool.

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Richard, boy, was born to...

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William Tomlinson. Oh, that's my great-grandad's parents, is it?

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-No!

-Yeah, this is your great-grandfather.

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So he was the son of William Tomlinson and Mary Tomlinson.

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Oh! Carter, there you go. The old carter again.

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What's that there?

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That is her mark.

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-Oh, her mark.

-Her mark.

-Couldn't write.

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Blinking heck!

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So here we have their marriage certificate.

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1845.

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William Tomlinson, and Mary Leicester.

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And this is interesting, the residence at the time of marriage,

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Hill Street. I've never heard of it. I wonder where that is, kid?

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By the docks, in Liverpool.

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The docks, yeah, that's where all the commerce was, wasn't it?

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Everything came into the docks.

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And it would have been impossible to run without carters to transport

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goods onwards from the docks.

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So we're real Scousers, really, aren't we?

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You would have a job to prove that you weren't Scouse.

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And if you read along, this is the groom's father's name.

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Richard Tomlinson. Once again, rank or profession, carter.

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-He'd have then been working in the 1820s, 1830s as a carter.

-Yeah.

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Can we get any further back at all from that?

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Because civil registration only started in 1837,

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it's actually very difficult to

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get... Well, it's impossible to get birth certificates before that date.

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We can't get any further back with Richard.

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We've been Scousers right back there to around about

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the 1820s, 1830s, 1840s we've got proof of.

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So there you go.

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And we're grafters right back in the carter fraternity.

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200 years.

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-I'm not royalty after all!

-Well, Liverpool royalty.

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Oh, Liverpool royalty, yeah.

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I'd rather be descended from a carter, kid, than from royalty.

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Great, that.

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I've had a wonderful day.

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I've learned so much about my family.

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I'm so proud of them, that they were all workers.

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200 years of grafting, being carters in this wonderful city of mine.

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It's opened a magical box for me.

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I can't wait to see what else is in that box.

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Ricky has discovered that he comes from four generations

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of Liverpool carters.

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The earliest record he's found takes him back to the beginning of the

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19th century, when his

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great-great-great grandfather, Richard,

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was working on Liverpool's docks.

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In the early 1800s, Liverpool was fast becoming Britain's

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busiest port.

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Huge numbers of carters were needed to handle goods arriving from across

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the Empire. Including nearly all of Britain's cotton imports bound for

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Lancashire's mills and factories.

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As a former union organiser, Ricky is keen to find out more about

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Richard Tomlinson's working conditions.

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I wonder what it was like down here in the 1800s.

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I feel a little shiver going up my back when I think about my three times

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great-granddad, Richard,

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with his horse and cart, waiting for the ships to be unloaded

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in the 1830s.

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I want to know how long they worked, how hard they worked.

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There's so much I want to know.

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There's so much I've got to find out.

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He might have stood here, where I'm standing now.

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And I wonder what he'd have thought of me being an actor!

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I don't know. He might have jumped in there and drowned himself!

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How you doing, kid?

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Ricky is meeting Museum of Liverpool curator Sharon Brown

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-and farmer Jaz Thomas...

-How are you, squire?

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-Ricky Tommo, nice to meet you.

-..with his horse, Ruby.

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-She's magnificent, isn't she?

-Oh, she's a smasher.

-They're huge.

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-I've never been this close to one.

-Yeah.

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Magnificent Shire horse,

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typical of the type used on the streets of Liverpool

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in the 1820s, 1830s.

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Lovely. She's so docile, but I wouldn't like to see her kick off,

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-would you?

-No, exactly. Could you imagine standing behind with a big

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-load?

-I wouldn't be behind it, love. I'd be miles away.

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I wouldn't be behind her!

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We have a 37 hour week now, or a 40 hour week.

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Was there any set limits in them days, for the week's work?

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-At that time, no.

-No.

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There weren't. It could be 12 to 15 hours a day.

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So when you're great-great-great-grandfather,

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Richard, was a carter in the 1820s, 1830s, it was a really hard life.

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It was a real skill, even though it wasn't considered a skilled job.

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Nothing moved without the carters.

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Now listen, Ruby. I came here to find out about my ancestors.

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Now your ancestors probably worked down here...

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with my ancestors, so come on, be a good gi... Oh, wow!

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It would take a little bit of Dutch courage for me to try it.

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HE LAUGHS

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Forward, get up!

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Carters used to do this 12 or 14 hours a day, eh?

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-Seven days a week.

-Seven days a week.

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They spent more time with their horses than they spent with their

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-families.

-As far as the missus goes, that might not be a bad thing!

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THEY LAUGH

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Come on, my beauty.

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I think she's leaving us a message here, isn't she, kid?

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RICKY LAUGHS

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She's saying, "My arse," aren't you?

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THEY LAUGH

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Riding a horse and cart,

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I actually had a feel of what it must have been like in the 1830s,

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1840s, when my great-great-great-grandad was working there.

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I've got an illustration here that

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shows you how busy it would have been on the port.

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It's the sort of scene Richard Tomlinson would have been

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-involved in.

-There's dozens and dozens of horses.

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By 1840, Liverpool's docks were importing over a

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million tonnes a year.

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More than the port of London.

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But with only one rail link serving the seven miles of docks,

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carters were vital for moving goods on and off the quays.

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There was a lot of resistance to railways being developed right into

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the docks. It was much more efficient by horse and cart.

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-They could do without the railways, yeah.

-And then there's another image

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here, which shows you things being loaded onto

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the cart from a warehouse.

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Any idea what date that would be?

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1830s, 1840s.

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So that would be around about the time of Richard Tomlinson.

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Yeah, it would, yeah.

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Blinking heck! He could be any one of them carters, couldn't he?

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-He could, yeah.

-Look at that, there's no

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health and safety, is there?

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-Can you imagine that going on today?

-There'd be no chance, would there?

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No. So did the carters ever, sort of, organise themselves into a trade

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union, even though, I suppose, in them days,

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it wouldn't be called a trade union?

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Did they ever organise that?

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Not at that time, no.

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There must have been thousands of serious injuries.

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Did they ever keep a log of the injuries?

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They didn't keep a log of accidents.

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It would just be a matter for your company to deal with.

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But they did start to reports deaths.

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This is from a local paper, February 1839.

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"Deaths on the same day, Aged 60,

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"Mr Richard Tomlinson, cart owner."

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Go away!

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Oh, my God!

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"The deceased met with his death by being crushed between one of his own

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"carts and a lorry."

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A lorry was a term for a larger horse-drawn vehicle.

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He's literally had the breath squashed out of him.

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Well, that's a turn up for the book, that, isn't it, kid?

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I don't know what to say.

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-Talking about health and safety and then...

-Yeah.

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-It's shocking.

-Oh, blimey, what a way to die, eh?

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I'm quite saddened, really, to read about that.

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Age 60, dead. And the way he died, but...

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for me, I want to know now what happened to the rest of his family.

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I was absolutely appalled to see the conditions that my ancestors

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worked in.

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They were like worker ants.

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They were creating all the wealth for this country,

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and yet they had none of it.

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And having seen the death that my great-great-great-grandfather Richard suffered,

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I just want to know what happened to his family.

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After his three times great-grandfather Richard's

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tragic death in 1839

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Ricky wants to find out what happened to his son, William,

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also a carter, and his wife, Mary.

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Ricky knows that in 1845 his great-great-grandparents

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were living close to the docks.

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He's meeting historian John Belchem at The Casa, a docker's bar,

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to see what else he can find out.

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If you look at that 1851 census you will see that the family size

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has been enhanced.

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So just looking at this we've got William, and Mary,

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and they've got four children up to now.

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There's three more to come, so they have seven, in all.

0:19:280:19:31

Well, he wasn't too tired after work to enjoy a family life, was he?

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Well, I mean, yes.

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So they moved to 26 Hygeia Street. Where would that be?

0:19:380:19:42

Now, I've got a map here, Ricky,

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which might give you some idea of it.

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So having started off down by the docks, we're now over Everton Brow,

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into suburban Liverpool.

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Literally upwards, geographically and socioeconomically.

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-They're doing OK. We're on the up there.

-You are indeed.

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Why do you think they may have moved so far away from the docks,

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considering his work would still be on the docks?

0:20:040:20:06

His work certainly would be there,

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but I think the date is very significant.

0:20:080:20:10

1851. It's a very timely move by your ancestors,

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because Liverpool had been drastically transformed

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by the incredible influx of people from Ireland, fleeing the famine.

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In 1845 the potato crop in Ireland failed,

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bringing seven years of famine that decimated the Irish population.

0:20:260:20:31

One million people died, and over a million more left the country.

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Tens of thousands of Irish people made Liverpool their new home.

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How would the local population,

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which I would imagine would be predominantly Protestant,

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-how would they deal with it?

-In very, very harsh terms.

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But they were very much stigmatised as being Irish Catholic,

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and therefore different, and therefore a problem.

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Have a look at this Liverpool Mail from the 1850s.

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"We allude to the systematic importation of Irish

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"for the sole purpose of begging.

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"Last week 2,700 arrived, and on Sunday no fewer than 830.

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"These people must live. If they do not beg they must steal.

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"Work, they will not."

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-Terrible.

-Indeed, yeah.

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They were starving, looking for a better way of life, a job, and whatever. Where would they live?

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They stayed close to the docks, which really become

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overwhelmingly Irish and Catholic.

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That would be one of the reasons that my family

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would want to move out.

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You have these clear areas of sectarian territory developing

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in Liverpool in the 1840s.

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This way it's Catholic, that way, Protestant.

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So with these immigrants fleeing the famine,

0:21:440:21:45

what sort of jobs would they do?

0:21:450:21:47

-They wouldn't be carters, would they?

-They certainly wouldn't be carters,

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but I'm not saying that absolutely every single one of the carters was Protestant,

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but overwhelmingly they were English-born Protestants.

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The Irish Catholics did the lower grade jobs and become dockers.

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-Yeah.

-Have a look at this print, Ricky.

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The quayside is absolutely jam-packed

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with sailing ships, isn't it?

0:22:060:22:08

Liverpool as a dock flourishes, in part,

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because of this ready supply of cheap labour.

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So, William Tomlinson, my great-great grandfather, carter,

0:22:140:22:18

working on the docks, how would this influx of Irish cheap labour,

0:22:180:22:22

how would that affect him and his business?

0:22:220:22:24

I think, probably, very well in the end.

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I mean, this is good times for the port.

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And Liverpool is on its way to becoming the maritime metropolis

0:22:290:22:32

of the world. So the more the docks are flourishing,

0:22:320:22:35

the greater the need for carters.

0:22:350:22:37

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know

0:22:370:22:39

that there must have been incredible wealth about at that time.

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Made by the carters, the dockers,

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but it was only for the few, wasn't it?

0:22:440:22:47

Yes, for the merchant princes who took great pride in living

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in what they called the great second city of Empire.

0:22:500:22:54

In the 1850s Liverpool was booming.

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Within a generation exports had more than doubled,

0:22:580:23:02

and imports of raw materials like timber, grain and cotton,

0:23:020:23:06

vital for Britain's industries, soared.

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While profits for the city's merchants rocketed, wages,

0:23:110:23:14

hours and conditions for those working on the docks,

0:23:140:23:17

like William Tomlinson, remained unregulated.

0:23:170:23:20

All I know is roundabout this period that William was working,

0:23:240:23:27

he seemed to be in regular work, he was an established carter.

0:23:270:23:30

The docks and the trade coming in was amazing.

0:23:300:23:33

Lots and lots of money, lots and lots of commerce,

0:23:330:23:35

but I don't think it actually filtered down.

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So I'd like to know what happened to William.

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That's the next step in my journey.

0:23:420:23:44

Ricky has asked his friend, journalist Paddy Shennan,

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to see if he can uncover anything about William in Liverpool's

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newspaper archives.

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Have you been able to find out anything at all about him for me?

0:23:550:23:58

I went through the newspapers.

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Eventually I found something about William Tomlinson.

0:24:000:24:02

-Oh.

-A small piece here, if you'd like to read it.

0:24:020:24:05

September 1st 1859. Blinking heck!

0:24:050:24:09

"Fatality to a carter - William Tomlinson.

0:24:090:24:12

"The horse suddenly started forward,

0:24:120:24:15

"he was crushed between the cart wheel and a pile of staves."

0:24:150:24:19

-It's horrific!

-We have William dying, aged only 40.

0:24:190:24:24

In very similar circumstances to his own father.

0:24:240:24:26

-They were disposable, weren't they?

-Yeah.

-You know, probably,

0:24:280:24:31

the next morning there was someone

0:24:310:24:33

there on the dock taking his place, you know?

0:24:330:24:35

"He was taken to the Southern Hospital where it was found that

0:24:350:24:38

"his bowels were seriously injured, and he died the same night."

0:24:380:24:42

They've paid a heavy price, haven't they, the Tomlinsons?

0:24:420:24:45

God, I hope there's no more.

0:24:450:24:47

It's awful sad, don't you see?

0:24:470:24:49

-Heartbreaking, isn't it?

-Father and son.

0:24:490:24:51

"The poor widow said she had to go home from the hospital, leaving her

0:24:510:24:56

"injured husband to attend to her baby who was dying, also."

0:24:560:25:00

She's dashing home

0:25:010:25:03

-because she's got seven children, and one of them is dying.

-Yeah.

0:25:030:25:07

She must have been having a nervous breakdown.

0:25:070:25:10

"A verdict of accidentally killed was returned,

0:25:100:25:13

"and the jury complained that the surgeons of the Southern Hospital

0:25:130:25:18

"had, without any authority, opened the body of the deceased."

0:25:180:25:24

-Why have they opened him up?

-It's not explained.

0:25:240:25:26

It obviously, from what they...is being said there,

0:25:260:25:29

the jury has actually brought it up, that shouldn't have happened.

0:25:290:25:33

So he was definitely dead, definitely taken to the hospital,

0:25:340:25:37

-and someone took a decision - open him up.

-Yeah.

0:25:370:25:40

-What for?

-There was no need to do what they've done.

0:25:400:25:42

But there's got to be a reason. Was there any skulduggery?

0:25:420:25:45

It doesn't make sense. But, as far as the newspapers were concerned,

0:25:450:25:49

this was it. This was where it ended.

0:25:490:25:51

I want to know why. Why they opened him up.

0:25:510:25:54

To discover why a postmortem was performed on William,

0:25:580:26:02

Ricky is meeting an expert on Victorian medicine,

0:26:020:26:05

Dr John Baxter.

0:26:050:26:07

So, my great-great-grandfather, why, if he was dead,

0:26:090:26:12

why do you think they would want to open him up?

0:26:120:26:15

So, let's be clear that what they

0:26:150:26:17

did to William was completely illegal.

0:26:170:26:19

When you carry out a postmortem

0:26:190:26:20

it is generally to find out what happened,

0:26:200:26:22

but we know he was crushed to death,

0:26:220:26:24

so there was no need for them to go in to the body.

0:26:240:26:27

Something which shouldn't have happened, happened.

0:26:270:26:30

-Why? Why did they do it?

-This is an anatomy theatre of that era.

0:26:300:26:34

During the 1800's surgeons and anatomists were struggling to get

0:26:340:26:38

bodies to practise upon.

0:26:380:26:40

So in William's case they have taken the chance of a fit and healthy man,

0:26:400:26:47

who was quite strong, to go into his body, cut it up,

0:26:470:26:50

and see his internal organs in that very short time his wife was away.

0:26:500:26:54

I know you can't be sure, like, but in your opinion,

0:26:540:26:58

what would they have done to William's body?

0:26:580:27:01

Well, typical postmortem would have sliced open the chest cavity

0:27:010:27:04

and down through the intestines,

0:27:040:27:06

down to the bowels which were mentioned in the report.

0:27:060:27:09

They would then have removed the brain from the back of the head

0:27:090:27:12

and after that stuffed the organs back in, or even removed some.

0:27:120:27:16

So Mary, my great-great-grandmother,

0:27:160:27:18

she must have made some sort of formal complaint, mustn't she?

0:27:180:27:21

There must have been a complaint.

0:27:210:27:23

My research shows that it was Mary who did make the complaint.

0:27:230:27:27

And the jury and the coroner agreed

0:27:270:27:29

with Mary that there'd been some malpractice going on.

0:27:290:27:32

I feel a little bit better that she's had the courage and the

0:27:320:27:35

strength to make this objection.

0:27:350:27:37

She was brave enough to stand up about the condition that

0:27:370:27:40

her husband's body was in.

0:27:400:27:41

It wouldn't have looked very pretty at all.

0:27:410:27:44

So what would have happened to William's body?

0:27:440:27:47

So this is the burial records here. Look at the bottom line, here.

0:27:470:27:51

"September the 4th, William Tomlinson."

0:27:510:27:55

All of them people are buried on September the 4th.

0:27:550:27:58

And they're all buried in lane 14. What exactly does that mean?

0:27:580:28:03

What you're pointing out there is the layer number. Layer number 14.

0:28:030:28:07

What you have here is William buried in a pauper's grave,

0:28:070:28:11

alongside other people, other poor people. On the same day.

0:28:110:28:15

So there'd have been no headstone, no marker, no nothing.

0:28:150:28:18

No headstone, no marker, no. They'd have been tightly packed together.

0:28:180:28:20

That's basically how William, sadly, ended up.

0:28:200:28:24

It's very, very sad.

0:28:240:28:26

So Mary went home because she had a very, very sick child.

0:28:270:28:31

Do we know what happened to the baby?

0:28:310:28:34

We'll look at this document just here.

0:28:340:28:37

"Certified copy of an entry of death.

0:28:390:28:41

"The 20th of September, 1859.

0:28:430:28:45

"George Tomlinson, male, two years of age.

0:28:450:28:47

"Son of William the carter."

0:28:470:28:50

-Died of diarrhoea.

-Yeah.

-God, bless.

0:28:500:28:53

How can you get upset about something that

0:29:120:29:15

happened nearly 150 years ago?

0:29:150:29:16

But I am. I'm so angry.

0:29:160:29:19

They're getting buried in a pauper's grave, with no dignity,

0:29:200:29:23

with nothing, yet Liverpool is booming.

0:29:230:29:26

It's absolutely booming.

0:29:260:29:28

There's loads and loads of money for the few.

0:29:280:29:31

Maybe this is why I have this...

0:29:310:29:33

..the politics that I've got. I don't know.

0:29:340:29:36

But, I mean, that's absolutely scandalous.

0:29:360:29:39

I'm thinking about Mary. Her world's collapsed.

0:29:390:29:42

She's lost her husband, she's lost her little lad...

0:29:420:29:45

..and she's got them other six kids in the house.

0:29:460:29:49

30-odd years of age.

0:29:490:29:51

No income. No support.

0:29:510:29:54

No nothing. What's going to happen to her now?

0:29:540:29:56

Land of Hope and Glory, my arse!

0:29:560:29:59

'I could never forgive them people

0:30:040:30:06

'who treated my family and my people,'

0:30:060:30:10

my Liverpool people, the way they did.

0:30:100:30:12

I'll never forgive them.

0:30:120:30:14

I feel really, really bitter for the position that...

0:30:140:30:19

..Mary's found herself in.

0:30:200:30:22

And that's why I've got to go on. That's why I've got to find out what

0:30:220:30:25

happened to her, and what happened to the rest of the kids, and...

0:30:250:30:29

the sooner I find out, the sooner I can be at ease with myself.

0:30:290:30:32

-Do you want a cup of tea now?

-Yes.

-Or do you want to wait?

0:30:380:30:41

-No, I'll have it now.

-Now. OK.

0:30:410:30:43

Back home Ricky is trying to find out what happened next to his

0:30:440:30:48

great-great-grandmother, Mary,

0:30:480:30:50

and her children with the help of his wife, Rita.

0:30:500:30:53

-What's the matter?

-I'm not sure how I get into this.

0:30:530:30:56

You need to master this.

0:30:560:30:58

At my age, I'm not bothering now!

0:30:580:31:01

I know, but you know, still, I'm not here all the time, am I?

0:31:010:31:03

-It's not just about this...

-I won't be using it all the time.

0:31:030:31:06

There you go. What are you looking for?

0:31:060:31:08

I want to find out what happened to Mary, and what happened to the kids.

0:31:080:31:11

Where they went, where did they end up?

0:31:110:31:13

Did they go in the workhouse or the poor house, call it what you will?

0:31:130:31:17

-OK.

-So how do we do that now?

0:31:170:31:19

-We need to look at the census, don't we?

-I think he died in 1859.

0:31:190:31:24

-She was still alive then, wasn't she?

-Yeah.

0:31:240:31:26

Well, let's go to the 1861 census then.

0:31:260:31:29

Let's put her name in.

0:31:290:31:31

Mary Tomlinson.

0:31:310:31:33

-Lived in?

-Liverpool.

0:31:340:31:37

Give me a child that would have been alive at that time.

0:31:370:31:40

Richard was the name of my great-grandad.

0:31:400:31:43

I think I'm doing this right, I'm not sure.

0:31:430:31:45

-There she is.

-That's the one.

-She'd have been 35 in 1861.

-Yeah.

0:31:480:31:52

-Are they her kids then?

-One, two, three, four, five, six...

0:31:540:31:57

Yeah. Her and six kids.

0:31:570:32:00

Elizabeth, her eldest, is 15.

0:32:000:32:03

Then we've got Richard, who is my great-grandad, he's 14.

0:32:030:32:07

-William, Catherine, Thomas and Mary is six.

-Yeah.

0:32:070:32:12

-Richard was an errand boy.

-Yeah.

-He wouldn't be earning much.

0:32:130:32:16

-How is Mary keeping them all together?

-I don't know.

0:32:160:32:20

How is she making it pay?

0:32:200:32:22

I think that says Dryden Street.

0:32:220:32:25

-Municipal ward of...

-Scotland.

0:32:250:32:27

Scotland Ward, wouldn't it?

0:32:280:32:30

That would have to be towards the dock area.

0:32:300:32:32

"13 Stewart's Building."

0:32:320:32:34

They didn't live there before. They'd moved up to the Everton area,

0:32:340:32:38

which was further away from the dock.

0:32:380:32:40

But it was a slightly, slightly better area.

0:32:400:32:43

Hang on. Look at this.

0:32:450:32:47

-That's 13, where Mary is.

-Yeah.

0:32:470:32:49

I think there was another family living there.

0:32:490:32:52

Charley Hackett.

0:32:520:32:55

A dock labourer. Doesn't that say lodger?

0:32:550:32:57

-Yeah.

-With his wife.

0:32:570:32:59

-She's obviously took them in.

-Maybe.

0:32:590:33:01

There's her and the six kids, that's seven.

0:33:010:33:03

Hackett and his wife, eight, nine.

0:33:030:33:05

And two kids - 11 of them!

0:33:050:33:07

Blinking heck!

0:33:070:33:09

There'd be no chance of them paying the bedroom tax, would there?

0:33:110:33:16

Bloody hell! 11 of them in the one house.

0:33:160:33:18

They'd have been on a rebate.

0:33:190:33:21

I need to find out whether she does well for herself,

0:33:210:33:23

whether she marries again.

0:33:230:33:25

She must have been an amazing woman.

0:33:250:33:27

I'll be looking for you, Mary. I'm coming looking for you.

0:33:270:33:30

Stuart's Buildings, where Mary lived in 1861, have been demolished.

0:33:340:33:40

So Ricky and Liverpool Museum curator Dr Liz Stewart,

0:33:400:33:43

-are heading to see a similar building nearby.

-So, just here.

0:33:430:33:48

How would you describe this? Is it a tenement?

0:33:550:33:58

This is the last surviving example of court and cellar dwellings.

0:33:580:34:01

Very famous in Liverpool in the 19th century.

0:34:010:34:04

So we have an alleyway leading into a courtyard

0:34:040:34:07

which would be shared by a number of families,

0:34:070:34:09

living in these small back-to-back houses.

0:34:090:34:11

So no back-yards, no back windows.

0:34:110:34:14

Just a door, and a window, to the front of the house.

0:34:140:34:16

The houses must have been pitch-black.

0:34:160:34:19

-Honestly, they must have been like moles, mustn't they?

-Yeah.

0:34:190:34:22

This photograph shows court housing, it dates to about 1900,

0:34:220:34:25

but conditions wouldn't have changed significantly from the 1860s.

0:34:250:34:29

This could be where we're standing now, actually, couldn't it?

0:34:290:34:32

No play area for the kids. All sorts of filth over the floor there.

0:34:320:34:35

Shocking.

0:34:350:34:37

I assume that they would be the toilets.

0:34:390:34:42

Well, this isn't the original block of toilets.

0:34:420:34:44

So in Stuart Buildings, where your great-great-grandmother lived,

0:34:440:34:47

there were 16 houses, eight down each side,

0:34:470:34:50

probably two privies at the end of the courtyard.

0:34:500:34:53

-So you're talking about 60 people per toilet.

-Yeah.

0:34:530:34:56

-I've got four toilets in my one house!

-Exactly.

-Crazy.

0:34:560:35:00

It must have been horrendous, mustn't it?

0:35:000:35:02

This document from the 1860s, the borough engineer,

0:35:020:35:05

describes the toilet conditions.

0:35:050:35:07

"The passage is generally terminated by the privy, and ash pit,

0:35:070:35:11

"common to all the wretched dwellings.

0:35:110:35:13

"With its liquid filth oozing through their walls

0:35:130:35:16

"even when the middens have been filled, so as to overflow the court,

0:35:160:35:20

"no-one cared to take responsibility."

0:35:200:35:22

That's terrible.

0:35:220:35:24

They must have been walking in human dirt, mustn't they?

0:35:240:35:27

I find it distressing to know that my great-great-grandmother

0:35:270:35:31

Mary lived in conditions like this.

0:35:310:35:34

Liverpool's commercial success lured more and more people to the city.

0:35:380:35:42

By 1861 the population had reached almost half a million.

0:35:420:35:47

A 25% increase in a decade.

0:35:470:35:50

More than a fifth of the population were living in overcrowded

0:35:510:35:54

court and cellar dwellings, like Mary and her children.

0:35:540:35:58

God bless us!

0:36:040:36:07

Oh, my goodness me.

0:36:070:36:09

-Pretty grim, isn't it?

-It is, isn't it?

0:36:090:36:11

Very, very small space. If you think of the house with 11 people in it.

0:36:140:36:19

You've got a shared living room,

0:36:190:36:21

probably on the ground floor, and then these two bedrooms above.

0:36:210:36:24

-Dickensian, isn't it?

-This is the garret.

0:36:240:36:28

Perhaps she rented out the better room to be sure of having lodgers,

0:36:280:36:31

so it could be that all seven of

0:36:310:36:33

them were sleeping in a room like this.

0:36:330:36:35

She's definitely on a downward spiral coming here, isn't she?

0:36:360:36:39

She would have felt quite a difference between Everton

0:36:390:36:41

and Dryden Street. You've got the 1847 Ordnance Survey map,

0:36:410:36:46

-so we've got Dryden Street here.

-Yeah.

0:36:460:36:48

-Just off Scotland Road.

-The Irish Catholic area.

0:36:480:36:52

Yes, she's living amongst Catholics, as a Protestant,

0:36:520:36:55

in a very densely built-up area.

0:36:550:36:58

So we can see Stuart Buildings, this very long, narrow court,

0:36:580:37:02

so many houses crammed into that space.

0:37:020:37:05

-It's a ghetto, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-I wonder how she was living.

0:37:060:37:09

There was no sort of hand-outs in them days, was there?

0:37:090:37:12

In situations where you have a widow, not earning an income,

0:37:120:37:15

there was the outdoor relief, but there were very strict, sort of,

0:37:150:37:19

moral conditions for people to be able to claim that.

0:37:190:37:23

Outdoor relief was financial assistance the parish provided

0:37:240:37:28

to help keep some of its poorest inhabitants out of the workhouse.

0:37:280:37:33

Widows like Mary were closely watched to check they sent their

0:37:330:37:36

children to school, didn't drink alcohol and remained chaste.

0:37:360:37:40

The young ones are listed on the census as scholars,

0:37:400:37:44

but she couldn't really afford to lose the income of the older ones by

0:37:440:37:47

trying to send them to school.

0:37:470:37:48

A couple of them were seamstresses,

0:37:480:37:50

and a couple of the lads were errand boys.

0:37:500:37:52

They'd be bringing in, well, maybe two shillings a week,

0:37:520:37:55

amongst the three of them.

0:37:550:37:56

So gathering the money for the rent, which might be around three or four

0:37:560:38:00

shillings a week, would be very difficult for her.

0:38:000:38:03

They were grafters though, weren't they? They were workers, you know.

0:38:030:38:06

So Mary obviously is very, very proud.

0:38:060:38:09

She's managed to keep this family, with six children,

0:38:090:38:12

out of the workhouse and hold the family together

0:38:120:38:15

in very difficult circumstances.

0:38:150:38:17

God knows how long the family had to

0:38:170:38:18

live in conditions like this, you know.

0:38:180:38:21

Well, we've looked in the 1871 census,

0:38:210:38:23

and we don't see her in Liverpool at all.

0:38:230:38:26

Oh! So we don't know what's happened to her really then, do we?

0:38:260:38:29

We don't know where she's gone.

0:38:290:38:30

Where do I go from here? Where do I go? Where do I go? Where do I look?

0:38:300:38:34

Well, it's possible that she's died.

0:38:340:38:36

Likely with the conditions they've been living in.

0:38:380:38:40

Well, this is one part of the journey I haven't liked.

0:38:430:38:47

I'm really sad to find out that Mary ended up here with her kids.

0:38:470:38:51

It must have been horrific.

0:38:530:38:55

The state of the toilets,

0:38:550:38:57

no light, candlelight.

0:38:570:39:01

Damp.

0:39:010:39:02

Damp of a morning, getting up. Damp of a night going to bed.

0:39:020:39:05

Pretty grim.

0:39:070:39:09

I'm going to plod on. I'm going to find out what happened to her,

0:39:110:39:14

'and I just hope that her fortunes take a turn for the better.'

0:39:140:39:17

The last record Ricky can find shows that in 1861 all the Tomlinsons were

0:39:200:39:25

still together.

0:39:250:39:26

The older children were working, and the youngest two,

0:39:260:39:30

Thomas and Mary Ann, were attending school.

0:39:300:39:33

He is hoping the Liverpool Archives might hold some information

0:39:350:39:39

on what happened to the family next. And why Mary vanishes.

0:39:390:39:43

I've lived here practically all my life, I've never been in this room.

0:39:430:39:46

-Isn't it gorgeous?

-It's absolutely fantastic.

0:39:460:39:49

-This lovely dome.

-Look at that.

0:39:500:39:52

It's like going back in time, isn't it?

0:39:540:39:57

Can you hear the echo?

0:39:570:39:59

That's why you've got to be quiet in the library.

0:39:590:40:02

I'm looking to try and find out what happened to my

0:40:050:40:07

great-great-grandmother.

0:40:070:40:08

There's no mention of her in the 1871 census.

0:40:080:40:12

Well, the obvious place to look is in the workhouse records.

0:40:120:40:15

And we haven't found Mary in the workhouse records at all.

0:40:150:40:20

But I've got something for you to look at.

0:40:200:40:23

"Kirkdale Industrial Schools." What is an industrial school?

0:40:230:40:26

The idea, underpinning the industrial school,

0:40:260:40:29

is that you train kids of the poor to be useful citizens.

0:40:290:40:34

Boys, typically, are trained to be carpenters,

0:40:340:40:36

girls are trained to be domestic servants.

0:40:360:40:39

-Cheap labour, I'm afraid. I'm very cynical.

-Cheap labour, yeah.

0:40:390:40:43

Yeah, Mary Ann Tomlinson, 1855.

0:40:490:40:52

-So this is the daughter of Mary.

-This is Mary Ann.

0:40:520:40:56

When was Mary Ann admitted?

0:40:560:40:58

If we look in the admissions column.

0:40:580:41:01

1862. How old would she be there then?

0:41:020:41:06

Seven.

0:41:060:41:08

Blinking Heck!

0:41:080:41:09

"Deserted by mother."

0:41:110:41:13

How could she be deserted by her mother?

0:41:140:41:17

This phrase, deserted by mother, suggests that Mary is alive.

0:41:170:41:22

It's unlikely that Mary would have chosen to put her kids in here,

0:41:220:41:27

if we look at the boys register we find Thomas,

0:41:270:41:30

who's two years older than Mary Ann.

0:41:300:41:33

So what we must assume at this stage is that she's in so...

0:41:330:41:36

such a dire state of poverty

0:41:360:41:38

and need that the only way for her kids to survive

0:41:380:41:41

is to admit them to the industrial school.

0:41:410:41:44

Do we know what life would be like for them kids?

0:41:480:41:51

Their daily, sort of, lives, here?

0:41:510:41:52

Pretty harsh.

0:41:520:41:54

You might be interested in reading the report of a poor law inspector

0:41:540:41:58

who came to Kirkdale in 1866.

0:41:580:42:01

"I am unable to report that the school is any satisfactory state.

0:42:010:42:06

"Some of the bedsteads are constructed to hold three children,

0:42:070:42:11

"the close, disagreeable and unwholesome atmosphere

0:42:110:42:14

"of some of the sleeping wards is aggravated by wet beds.

0:42:140:42:18

"These beds are not removed and changed daily, as they should be."

0:42:180:42:23

So these kids are sleeping in each other's urine.

0:42:230:42:25

Good God! I don't know.

0:42:250:42:27

And was there no sign of their mum ever again?

0:42:290:42:31

-Have we got no sign?

-We've no signs of her at all in the 1860s.

0:42:310:42:36

But if we look at the register for births, marriages and deaths.

0:42:360:42:40

-This is 1871.

-This is 1871.

0:42:400:42:43

She's got married again? Get out of it!

0:42:430:42:45

Aged 44. Married a John McFee.

0:42:460:42:50

Unbelievable.

0:42:500:42:52

Now that we know her married name is there anything else we can find out about her?

0:42:520:42:56

So let's have a look in the census, the 1871,

0:42:560:43:00

and see if we can find her.

0:43:000:43:03

-Mary McFee, yeah.

-And there she is.

-Yeah.

0:43:050:43:09

According to this she's...she's had another three children.

0:43:110:43:15

John, James and William.

0:43:150:43:18

They'll be half-brothers to the rest of the Tomlinsons.

0:43:180:43:21

-That's ten kids she's had. Isn't it?

-It is.

0:43:210:43:25

-That's a second family.

-According to this the oldest child there is nine.

0:43:250:43:29

Which means it must have been born in...

0:43:300:43:34

..1862.

0:43:350:43:37

That's the date that the kids get admitted to the industrial school.

0:43:370:43:42

Oh, yeah. She was obviously pregnant.

0:43:420:43:45

And this probably explains Mary's dilemma.

0:43:450:43:48

So Mary, as a widow, was in an abyss of poverty.

0:43:480:43:53

She was getting some relief from the parish,

0:43:530:43:56

one of her options would be to find a new breadwinner,

0:43:560:43:58

a new dad for the kids.

0:43:580:44:00

She seems to have done this, big risk...

0:44:010:44:04

-But he wouldn't take the kids on.

-She's pregnant. She's not married.

0:44:040:44:09

So this is an illegitimate child,

0:44:090:44:13

and the poor law is nothing if not moral.

0:44:130:44:16

They would have withdrawn her relief at the minute they realised she was pregnant.

0:44:160:44:20

Oh, I've got you. I've got you, yeah.

0:44:200:44:23

Mary has been left utterly destitute...

0:44:230:44:25

..with no choice but to put her two youngest children into the industrial school.

0:44:270:44:31

They've gone into the workhouse, and she's had a whole new family.

0:44:310:44:36

He only marries Mary once they leave the poor house,

0:44:360:44:40

and they can earn their own living.

0:44:400:44:42

-It speaks volumes about him, doesn't it?

-It does.

0:44:420:44:45

It makes me very, very angry to realise the way she's ended up, through no fault of her own.

0:44:450:44:50

This guy she's married, in my opinion,

0:44:510:44:53

-to use a Liverpool expression is a bit of a

-BLEEP.

0:44:530:44:58

Very sad, isn't it?

0:44:580:44:59

The family, as far as we can see from these documents, has broken up.

0:44:590:45:04

Have you any idea what happened to my great-grandfather, Richard?

0:45:040:45:09

If we look further in births, deaths and marriages, on the register,

0:45:090:45:14

I think you might be interested to see this.

0:45:140:45:17

-This is 1884.

-1884.

0:45:180:45:21

So Richard Tomlinson, who is now 32,

0:45:210:45:24

he's marrying a girl called Sarah Ellen Lavery, my great-grandmother.

0:45:240:45:29

-Your great-grandmother.

-Richard's occupation - he's now a carter.

0:45:290:45:33

Look at the witnesses.

0:45:330:45:35

William McFee. It's his half brother.

0:45:350:45:38

And actually, later on, we find

0:45:380:45:40

another half sibling living with Mary Ann.

0:45:400:45:43

-Oh, good.

-We thought the family had fallen apart.

-Yeah.

0:45:430:45:46

And yet what this shows is that they're obviously still in touch.

0:45:460:45:50

My great-great-grandmother's managed to keep the family together somehow,

0:45:500:45:54

by hook or by crook.

0:45:540:45:56

I think we must conclude that Mary is an extraordinary woman.

0:45:560:45:59

But, sadly, the same year Richard gets married Mary died of a stroke.

0:45:590:46:05

What a life. What a life.

0:46:070:46:11

'I feel quite saddened to know the way the majority of my ancestors seem to have lived.'

0:46:150:46:20

They were toilers, grafters, labourers, call them what you will.

0:46:200:46:25

Carters and whatever.

0:46:250:46:27

And yet they had such a pitiful life.

0:46:270:46:31

Now, I've got to finish this journey.

0:46:310:46:33

'My great-grandad, Richard, did he fare any better?

0:46:340:46:38

'Did the city treat him any better? Did conditions get any better?

0:46:390:46:43

'That's what I want to know.'

0:46:430:46:45

Ricky knows that his great-great-great-grandfather

0:46:470:46:50

Richard and his great-great-grandfather William

0:46:500:46:53

were both killed in carting accidents.

0:46:530:46:55

By 1884 his great-grandad, also called Richard,

0:46:570:47:01

was working in the same risky profession.

0:47:010:47:03

Ricky is meeting historian

0:47:060:47:08

Sam Davies to see if conditions improved

0:47:080:47:11

for Liverpool carters like Richard.

0:47:110:47:13

The last bit of information I've got

0:47:150:47:16

is that they got married in the 1880s.

0:47:160:47:19

Well, 1880s, you know, was an important period

0:47:190:47:22

in Liverpool's development.

0:47:220:47:23

This is from the Illustrated London News in 1886,

0:47:230:47:26

which tells you something about the city at that point.

0:47:260:47:29

"Liverpool: Port, docks and city.

0:47:290:47:30

"Thanks to modern science and commercial enterprise,

0:47:300:47:33

"has become a wonder of the world, it is the New York of Europe.

0:47:330:47:36

"No town in England shows greater signs of activity," - fair enough -

0:47:360:47:40

"in the distribution of wealth."

0:47:400:47:42

They didn't distribute it very, very far from what I found out.

0:47:420:47:45

Liverpool had the highest portion of millionaires per head of population

0:47:450:47:48

of any town in England, outside of London.

0:47:480:47:51

-Go away!

-And yet it also had some of the worst housing,

0:47:510:47:54

worst working conditions, there was an enormous disparity.

0:47:540:47:57

In the 1880s Britain was a global manufacturing powerhouse.

0:47:580:48:03

Its factories producing nearly a quarter of the world's goods.

0:48:030:48:07

But there was growing discontent among the working classes.

0:48:080:48:11

And for the first time so-called unskilled workers,

0:48:110:48:14

like waterfront labourers,

0:48:140:48:16

began to form unions to fight for better conditions.

0:48:160:48:20

This is an extract from the Liverpool Review, 1890.

0:48:220:48:25

"The Carters' New Union.

0:48:250:48:27

"Until a few weeks ago the carters were all sixes and sevens,

0:48:270:48:31

"but now the prospect is changed,

0:48:310:48:33

"and the carters are going to obtain many reasonable reforms,

0:48:330:48:36

"or some of the masters will have a bad quarter of an hour."

0:48:360:48:40

I like the irony of that.

0:48:400:48:41

-The bosses will have a bad quarter of an hour.

-Yeah, yeah.

-God bless!

0:48:410:48:45

I'm a union man, as you know.

0:48:450:48:47

And I have been for many, many years.

0:48:470:48:50

And I'm just wondering do you think my great-grandfather, Richard,

0:48:500:48:53

may have been involved in the union in that day and age?

0:48:530:48:56

Well, we don't have any records, so we can't be absolutely certain,

0:48:560:48:58

but I think it's very likely that your great-grandfather,

0:48:580:49:02

being a regular carter, he'd have been in the union.

0:49:020:49:06

By the early 1900s most of

0:49:070:49:08

Liverpool's waterfront workers were unionised.

0:49:080:49:12

But the dockers, seafarers and carters all joined separate unions.

0:49:120:49:17

And they were divided on more than just trade lines.

0:49:170:49:20

Carters, in particular, were a sort of, slightly,

0:49:200:49:22

a cut above the dockers and the seafarers.

0:49:220:49:25

Slightly better paid. Slightly better off.

0:49:250:49:27

But especially important was the carters' union was

0:49:270:49:30

very specifically seen as a Protestant union.

0:49:300:49:32

And the dock workers would be predominantly Catholic?

0:49:320:49:34

To a great extent, yeah, absolutely.

0:49:340:49:36

It's a class division once again, isn't it?

0:49:360:49:39

A class division this time based on religion.

0:49:390:49:41

Would there be any animosity between the Protestants and Catholics?

0:49:410:49:44

Oh, yes. Absolutely. In fact, sectarian issues become significant.

0:49:440:49:49

And you do get an increase in incidents, riots,

0:49:490:49:54

attacks and so on associated with Catholics or Protestants,

0:49:540:49:57

culminating, really, in a major outbreak of sectarian rioting.

0:49:570:50:01

It's hard to visualise, isn't it?

0:50:010:50:04

The hostility and the division that went on.

0:50:040:50:07

Would my family, being Protestant,

0:50:070:50:09

be affected by this trouble that was going on at the time?

0:50:090:50:12

I think it was unavoidable for them. Have a look at the 1911 census.

0:50:120:50:16

Here is your family, at that point.

0:50:160:50:18

This is my great-grandad,

0:50:190:50:21

Richard Tomlinson, he's the head of the family.

0:50:210:50:23

And then we've got Richard, so that would be my grandad Tommo,

0:50:230:50:27

he's aged 24, and he's single. General carter...

0:50:270:50:30

-Elias Street, now where was that?

-Well, we've got a map here,

0:50:320:50:35

which shows the city in the early part of the 20th century.

0:50:350:50:38

So Elias Street is just down here.

0:50:380:50:41

-Elias Street.

-It's just off Great Homer Street, there.

0:50:410:50:45

That's the traditional boundary between Catholics and Protestants.

0:50:450:50:49

They live just on the Protestant side.

0:50:490:50:51

All the riots started with marches taking place on Great Homer Street.

0:50:510:50:54

They would have been right on their doorstep where they were living.

0:50:540:50:57

Right in the firing line, really.

0:50:570:50:59

It would be very difficult to grow up in that sort of environment

0:50:590:51:02

without being affected by it in some way.

0:51:020:51:05

From what you know of your family, and what you remember,

0:51:050:51:07

were any of them bigoted in any way?

0:51:070:51:09

No, my grandad Tommo wasn't, I can never remember him being, sort of,

0:51:090:51:14

in any way bigoted at all.

0:51:140:51:16

Maybe he had more sense than we give him credit for.

0:51:160:51:20

He just wasn't involved.

0:51:200:51:21

Ricky's updating Rita on what he's recently found out.

0:51:280:51:31

The carters actually organised themselves,

0:51:330:51:35

and I'm delighted to say that my grandad was probably one of them

0:51:350:51:39

that was a member of the carters' union.

0:51:390:51:41

So your ancestors must be like you then?

0:51:410:51:44

-Yeah, obviously.

-Firebrands and want justice for everyone.

0:51:440:51:48

Stuff like that. It must be in the genes.

0:51:480:51:50

It must be. But at that time there

0:51:500:51:52

was a divide in the working class in Liverpool.

0:51:520:51:55

-In what way?

-Religious. A religious divide.

0:51:550:51:57

Although the little bit I know of my

0:51:570:51:58

grandad, he had nothing to do with it.

0:51:580:52:00

He wasn't a bigot in any way, shape or form.

0:52:000:52:03

But the boundary was sort of Great Homer Street.

0:52:030:52:05

One side was the Catholics, towards the docks,

0:52:050:52:08

and the other side was the Protestants, up towards Everton.

0:52:080:52:10

That's why all your lot were up with the Orange Lodge,

0:52:100:52:13

-and us lot were down...

-Yeah, amongst the

-BLEEP!

-Yeah.

0:52:130:52:16

-I saved you from all that.

-Sod off! Calm down.

0:52:180:52:22

But it does fire me up. I mean, you and me sitting here now,

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you're a Catholic, I'm a Protestant.

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-Yeah.

-That, that, you know, 100 years ago,

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that would have been practically impossible.

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So something must have happened to unite them,

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despite their religious beliefs?

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Because it's not like that now,

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it hasn't been like that for many years.

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There was obviously a sea change, wasn't there, at some time?

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Something must have happened.

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Ricky is meeting social historian Mark O'Brien.

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My grandad and my great-grandad were carters, but as you will know,

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at the time there was a religious divide.

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Oh, the working class in Liverpool was terribly divided before 1911.

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But that starts to change, particularly with the arrival of one

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person called Tom Mann.

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The founder of the National Transport Federation.

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-Oh, yeah.

-Here he is inspiring workers.

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Would my grandad have had a chance to listen to him?

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Oh, no question. He was close to the carters.

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He was absolutely involved with their union.

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His message to Liverpool workers is to unite,

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to make class a type of identity

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which was different from being a Catholic or being a Protestant.

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-You're a worker. A worker, first and foremost.

-Yeah.

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In August 1911 Thomas Mann called for all workers,

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Protestant and Catholic, carters and dockers,

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to walk out in solidarity with striking railway workers.

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For the first time in Liverpool's history

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they put aside their religious differences and united.

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So that's here, that's where we're standing now.

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-Yes.

-That's wonderful, that, isn't it?

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I'm made up to see they're like that.

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Instead of in rags and whatever.

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It shows that they still had pride and dignity within themselves.

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I just wish I was amongst it, but I hope, probably,

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my grandad would probably be amongst that crowd there, being a carter.

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The carters' union was absolutely central to all of this.

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Your grandfather, and possibly even your great-grandfather

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would almost certainly have been in that crowd, Ricky.

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I'm very proud, and I'd like to think they were there, yeah.

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How many thousands do you reckon was there?

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Reports from The Times say 100,000. It was an extraordinary moment.

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And the whole of the Liverpool working class were together for the

0:54:320:54:34

first time, displaying solidarity.

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So they've kept on going, haven't they?

0:54:360:54:38

They keep getting knocked down, but they're like a rubber ball, they bounce back.

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That's why I'm so proud, you know, being a Scouser.

0:54:420:54:44

I'd be part of that crowd.

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Agitating for a better living for everybody, you know?

0:54:450:54:48

-Tremendous.

-I can imagine that.

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-What followed that?

-There was panic in the establishment,

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they were worried about law and order,

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they were worried also about revolution.

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The Home Secretary, Winston Churchill,

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feared the strikes which were bringing Liverpool to a standstill

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might spread across the country and cripple Britain's economy.

0:55:060:55:10

He ordered 2,000 troops onto the city's streets, and sent a gunboat,

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the HMS Antrim, to the Mersey.

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The city goes into meltdown.

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The most extreme events took place around Great Homer Street.

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I don't know if you know

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-Great Homer Street.

-Yeah, that's where my family were from.

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There was a regiment of hussars, and there were workers there protesting.

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The hussars raised their rifles and

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minutes later two workers had been shot dead.

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Get out of it!

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One was a carter, one was a docker.

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At the funeral procession some days later

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hundreds of workers turned out to mourn and show solidarity.

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They didn't see them as Protestant or Catholic,

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they saw them as workers who'd fallen.

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That was a breakdown of the bigotry then, wasn't it?

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Well, I'm made up in a way, because my grandad,

0:55:560:55:59

he would have been out there listening to that,

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and I think he had the sense and the foresight to say, "Forget that,

0:56:020:56:05

"forget the religion.

0:56:050:56:07

"Practice your religion if you want to,

0:56:070:56:08

"but don't use it as a weapon against anyone else."

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I'm proud to think that my grandad, my grandad Tommo as we called him,

0:56:110:56:16

he would have learned so much from that.

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And any bigotry that may have been around at the time within him, gone.

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Disappeared.

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'It's been an incredible journey. I've laughed and I've cried.

0:56:270:56:30

'I've been angry, I've been upset.

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'But it's really nice to be here, while it's so peaceful and quiet.'

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The waterfront now is wonderful.

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People come from all over the world to see it.

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But it wasn't like that in the days of my ancestors.

0:56:440:56:48

They were grafters. They were carters.

0:56:480:56:51

They worked on the docks day in, day out.

0:56:510:56:53

And they passed the trade down to their sons.

0:56:530:56:55

And even though they were classed as the lowest of the low,

0:56:550:56:58

they started forming unions, they got rid of that religious divide.

0:56:580:57:02

And the women made something out of nothing.

0:57:020:57:04

They had hardship most of their lives, but they carried on going.

0:57:040:57:09

They reared their children, they try to make things

0:57:090:57:12

better for their children.

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So I'm just, I'm just so proud of them all.

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They made Liverpool what it is.

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'I love the city, and I love the people.

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'I don't want to live anywhere else.'

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