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You all right, kid? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
-Two nice cups of tea there, please. -Yeah, of course. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Liverpudlian actor Ricky Tomlinson has had audiences glued to their | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
screens for the past four decades. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Most famously in the hit comedy The Royle Family. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Dad! Stop fiddling with yourself! | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
I'm not fiddling with myself, I paid a quid for these underpants, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
I've got 50p worth stuck up my arse! | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
Ricky lives in Liverpool with his wife, Rita, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
and regularly performs at his own club in the city. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
Oh, I'm a Scouser, kid. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
I'm a Scouser, you believe me, yeah? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
There's a certain warmth about Liverpool people. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
They make you welcome. I think it's | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
because we're used to strangers coming into the town. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
We had people in from Wigan last night. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
Four of them in a van. And on the back was a notice, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
"There are no pies kept in this van overnight." | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:00:53 | 0:00:54 | |
Born in 1939, Ricky was the second of Albert and Margaret Tomlinson's | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
four children. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
The truth is, we were poor. So was everyone else. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
But we were very lucky because my dad always worked, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
and my mum always worked. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
And we never went short of anything to eat. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
I'm so proud of the way she worked to get us where we are today. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Three bloody jobs! | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
My mum was tremendous. She was the driving force of the family. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
And I think something she instilled into myself and my three brothers is | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
the work ethic. We're all grafters. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
He looked at me and he went, "Don't you miss the building game, Rick?" | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
Ricky began his working life at the age of 15, as a plasterer. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
But building site safety was no laughing matter. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Health and safety was practically nil. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
Fellas would fall off scaffolds, scaffolds would collapse. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
Fellas would get buried alive. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
It was horrendous. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
Ricky became a union organiser, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
and in 1972 encouraged fellow building workers to join the first | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
national building strike. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
I thought, "Someone's got to make a stand. Someone's got to say something." | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Ricky was later arrested, and | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
charged with conspiracy to intimidate | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
and sentenced to two years in prison. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
He still contests his conviction. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
I think I've probably got the way I am from my dad's family. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
The fighting spirit, if you will. I'm not taking no for an answer. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
And my dad, 27 years on nights as a baker, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
I thought the only people who worked in the night were burglars! | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
When he died, it knocked us for six. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
55. Cancer. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
I get quite emotional. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
When they've gone, that's when you realise there's that hole there. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
I should have asked my dad about his side of the family. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
I would just like to know a simple thing - who were the Tomlinsons? | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
Where did they come from? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Who were they? What did they do? | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
What's their background? Simple as that. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Anyway, now, listen, what I want you | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
to do, sit back, relax and enjoy the show. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
Ricky's come to Everton Park, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
built on the site of the streets where he grew up after they were | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
demolished in the 1960s. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
It wasn't like this when we were kids. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
Obviously, this was all built up and stuff. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
We're probably walking over somewhere where my dad's bakery | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
used to be. Kelly's Bakery. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
He's meeting his older brother, Albert. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I didn't think I was going to make it up that hill! | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Well, you've took your time, mate! I'm freezing. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
RICKY LAUGHS | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
-Hey! -My God, things have changed around here. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
They've changed for the better though, haven't they? | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
I'm just looking at this here. I've never noticed it before. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
That could be me, that. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Look at the cobbles there. We used to play football on that and dive to | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
save the ball. Look, not a blade of grass anywhere. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
This was all built up. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
-You can still see the Mersey clear here, look. -Yeah. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
It was one of the busiest ports in the world. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
There wasn't a windmill in sight in them days. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
-And look at them now! -Like being in Holland. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
All our lot comes from where that block of flats is now. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
That was the Tomlinsons' roots, wasn't it? | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
That's where the Tommos lived. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
Me dad's side of the family all lived down there. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
We know tonnes and tonnes about my gran, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
but we don't know that much about my grandad, do we? | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
-He was very quiet, wasn't he? -Always in the background. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
I want to know more about him. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
So I think the best thing we can do is go and have a glass of beer. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
-I'm all for it. -Come on. -Let's go. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
RICKY LAUGHS | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
Can I have my walking stick back? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Here we go. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
My gran and my grandad. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
So that's as far as we've got! | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
-Not very far! -Have you got any information for me at all? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
First of all, here's an old photograph. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Grandad Tommo, and Granny Tommo. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
-Is that my gran? -It is indeed. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
-It's not the gran I knew. -It's not, no. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
-Not the one you remember, is it, no. -She's got teeth in that! | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Look at him in them days. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
My grandad with the cigarette in his mouth. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
He was actually quite dapper. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
-Oh, yeah. -Because I can only remember him as this little old | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
chap, sitting in the rocking chair. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
He sort of groans, "Oh!" Like a welcome, "Oh!" | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
I never heard him speak. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
Oh, he spoke. Not a lot. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
But he had a broad Liverpool accent. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Go away! A real Scouser? | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
Oh, yeah. Yeah, very much so. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
-Go away! -But as I say, we never seen him dressed up like that. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
-Never. -He was always in his working gear, wasn't he? -But look at the collar on his shirt. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Spotless. They had nothing, but they had dignity, didn't they? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
-You know. -That's it. -They're at a wedding for someone. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Must have been a Protestant church if she's got dressed up to go there. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Wasn't she? She wouldn't have gone | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
-to a Catholic church. -No, no, no. -But grandad would. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
He didn't give a monkeys one way or the other, did he? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Oh, no. But I'm made up that I can see him as a younger man. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Have you got another surprise for me? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
This is Grandad Tommo's death certificate. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Died in 1947. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
I'd be eight when he died, then, wouldn't I? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
Richard Tomlinson, aged 60. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Asphalter's labourer. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
So he was born in 1887. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
-No. -Yes. -Was he? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
If he died in '47 at 60. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
It's only a young man by today's standards. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
Yeah, but I can remember my mam saying that someone died at 60. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
"Oh, well, they've had a good innings." | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
-Exactly. -It's a good job it doesn't apply now, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
me and you would be well gone! | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Oh, another one! Let's have a look at this one. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
This is my mam and dad's marriage certificate. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Look at the dates on that, will you? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
May 1936. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
-Now, hang on! -November '36. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Oh, just-in-time! | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
Mum was three months pregnant when she got married. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Well, look at this. Look at this. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
Richard Tomlinson, carter. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
I'm a little bit flummoxed about this now. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
I can't remember ever, ever hearing my grandad being a carter, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
-in my life. -I've only ever known him as an asphalter. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Yeah. You know what, this brings memories back now. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
There was tonnes of carters around in them days. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
But everything was horse-drawn then, wasn't it? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-Everything. -Practically, yeah. -Your bin wagons, your milk floats, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
-your bread. -But why they've got my grandad down there as a carter, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
I don't know. I wonder if there was anyone in his family before him that | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
was a carter? Let's dig a bit deeper, see what he was up to. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Until the 1950s, carters and their | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
horse-drawn wagons were a common sight, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
transporting goods throughout Britain. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
And there were more working horses on the streets of Liverpool than in | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
any other city outside London. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
I'm a bit surprised that no-one ever mentioned my grandad was a carter. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
I'm really interested to find out where this journey's going to lead. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
So I think the best place for me to | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
go is to the library to see if they've got any records. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
There must be more knocking about. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
At Liverpool's Central Library, Ricky is meeting genealogist | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
Olivia Robinson to see what else he | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
can discover about his grandad's family and | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
how far back he can trace the Tomlinson line. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-It's a lovely building. -It's amazing. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
So what do you know already? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
-He was a carter... -OK. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
..on one of these certificates, and on another he was an asphalter. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
-Yeah. -He was born roundabout 1886, and he was 60 | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
when he died. That's about all we've got at the moment. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
OK, right. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Now we know which year he was born in, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
we're going to have a little look for his baptismal record. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
-Right. -So if I can give you this. -Yeah. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
You'll have to guide me here, kid. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Now, where do we go now? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
That needs to go under the glass plate. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
Put it all the way through. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
Now, if you push that for a couple of seconds. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
-Good heavens. -And stop. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
-There's loads, isn't there? -Yeah. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Loads and loads. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
We're into July now. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
There's loads on a daily basis there, isn't there? | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
You're trying to scan them all. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
You get quite good at looking for the length of the name, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
-and the T at the beginning. -Ah. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
Tomlinson. There's the name there, yeah. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
Richard and Sarah? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
-That's the mum and dad. -Yeah. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:45 | |
-Oh, blimey! -So this is your grandfather. -Yeah. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
And this is your great-grandfather and your great-grandmother. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
I can s... Blimey, look at that. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
I'm going to write this down now so I won't forget. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
What's the trade? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Carter. Well, blimey! | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
Well, what do you know! | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
His dad was a carter. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
He's obviously followed his dad into the same trade. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
Can we go a little bit further back, you've got me guessing now, kid? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
This is an entry of birth. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
This is 1847, from Dale Street, Liverpool. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Richard, boy, was born to... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
William Tomlinson. Oh, that's my great-grandad's parents, is it? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
-No! -Yeah, this is your great-grandfather. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
So he was the son of William Tomlinson and Mary Tomlinson. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
Oh! Carter, there you go. The old carter again. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
What's that there? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
That is her mark. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
-Oh, her mark. -Her mark. -Couldn't write. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
Blinking heck! | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
So here we have their marriage certificate. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
1845. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
William Tomlinson, and Mary Leicester. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
And this is interesting, the residence at the time of marriage, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
Hill Street. I've never heard of it. I wonder where that is, kid? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
By the docks, in Liverpool. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:10 | |
The docks, yeah, that's where all the commerce was, wasn't it? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
Everything came into the docks. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
And it would have been impossible to run without carters to transport | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
goods onwards from the docks. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
So we're real Scousers, really, aren't we? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
You would have a job to prove that you weren't Scouse. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And if you read along, this is the groom's father's name. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Richard Tomlinson. Once again, rank or profession, carter. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
-He'd have then been working in the 1820s, 1830s as a carter. -Yeah. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Can we get any further back at all from that? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Because civil registration only started in 1837, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
it's actually very difficult to | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
get... Well, it's impossible to get birth certificates before that date. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
We can't get any further back with Richard. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
We've been Scousers right back there to around about | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
the 1820s, 1830s, 1840s we've got proof of. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
So there you go. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
And we're grafters right back in the carter fraternity. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
200 years. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
-I'm not royalty after all! -Well, Liverpool royalty. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Oh, Liverpool royalty, yeah. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
I'd rather be descended from a carter, kid, than from royalty. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Great, that. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
I've had a wonderful day. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
I've learned so much about my family. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
I'm so proud of them, that they were all workers. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
200 years of grafting, being carters in this wonderful city of mine. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
It's opened a magical box for me. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
I can't wait to see what else is in that box. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
Ricky has discovered that he comes from four generations | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
of Liverpool carters. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
The earliest record he's found takes him back to the beginning of the | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
19th century, when his | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
great-great-great grandfather, Richard, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
was working on Liverpool's docks. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
In the early 1800s, Liverpool was fast becoming Britain's | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
busiest port. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Huge numbers of carters were needed to handle goods arriving from across | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
the Empire. Including nearly all of Britain's cotton imports bound for | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
Lancashire's mills and factories. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
As a former union organiser, Ricky is keen to find out more about | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
Richard Tomlinson's working conditions. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
I wonder what it was like down here in the 1800s. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
I feel a little shiver going up my back when I think about my three times | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
great-granddad, Richard, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
with his horse and cart, waiting for the ships to be unloaded | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
in the 1830s. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
I want to know how long they worked, how hard they worked. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
There's so much I want to know. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
There's so much I've got to find out. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
He might have stood here, where I'm standing now. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
And I wonder what he'd have thought of me being an actor! | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I don't know. He might have jumped in there and drowned himself! | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
How you doing, kid? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
Ricky is meeting Museum of Liverpool curator Sharon Brown | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
-and farmer Jaz Thomas... -How are you, squire? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
-Ricky Tommo, nice to meet you. -..with his horse, Ruby. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
-She's magnificent, isn't she? -Oh, she's a smasher. -They're huge. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-I've never been this close to one. -Yeah. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Magnificent Shire horse, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
typical of the type used on the streets of Liverpool | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
in the 1820s, 1830s. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
Lovely. She's so docile, but I wouldn't like to see her kick off, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
-would you? -No, exactly. Could you imagine standing behind with a big | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
-load? -I wouldn't be behind it, love. I'd be miles away. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I wouldn't be behind her! | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
We have a 37 hour week now, or a 40 hour week. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
Was there any set limits in them days, for the week's work? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
-At that time, no. -No. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
There weren't. It could be 12 to 15 hours a day. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
So when you're great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Richard, was a carter in the 1820s, 1830s, it was a really hard life. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
It was a real skill, even though it wasn't considered a skilled job. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
Nothing moved without the carters. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
Now listen, Ruby. I came here to find out about my ancestors. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Now your ancestors probably worked down here... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
with my ancestors, so come on, be a good gi... Oh, wow! | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
It would take a little bit of Dutch courage for me to try it. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
Forward, get up! | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
Carters used to do this 12 or 14 hours a day, eh? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
-Seven days a week. -Seven days a week. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
They spent more time with their horses than they spent with their | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
-families. -As far as the missus goes, that might not be a bad thing! | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Come on, my beauty. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
I think she's leaving us a message here, isn't she, kid? | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
RICKY LAUGHS | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
She's saying, "My arse," aren't you? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
Riding a horse and cart, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
I actually had a feel of what it must have been like in the 1830s, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
1840s, when my great-great-great-grandad was working there. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
I've got an illustration here that | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
shows you how busy it would have been on the port. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
It's the sort of scene Richard Tomlinson would have been | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
-involved in. -There's dozens and dozens of horses. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
By 1840, Liverpool's docks were importing over a | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
million tonnes a year. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
More than the port of London. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
But with only one rail link serving the seven miles of docks, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
carters were vital for moving goods on and off the quays. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
There was a lot of resistance to railways being developed right into | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
the docks. It was much more efficient by horse and cart. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
-They could do without the railways, yeah. -And then there's another image | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
here, which shows you things being loaded onto | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
the cart from a warehouse. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
Any idea what date that would be? | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
1830s, 1840s. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
So that would be around about the time of Richard Tomlinson. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Yeah, it would, yeah. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Blinking heck! He could be any one of them carters, couldn't he? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
-He could, yeah. -Look at that, there's no | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
health and safety, is there? | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
-Can you imagine that going on today? -There'd be no chance, would there? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
No. So did the carters ever, sort of, organise themselves into a trade | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
union, even though, I suppose, in them days, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
it wouldn't be called a trade union? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Did they ever organise that? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Not at that time, no. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
There must have been thousands of serious injuries. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
Did they ever keep a log of the injuries? | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
They didn't keep a log of accidents. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
It would just be a matter for your company to deal with. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
But they did start to reports deaths. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
This is from a local paper, February 1839. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:27 | |
"Deaths on the same day, Aged 60, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
"Mr Richard Tomlinson, cart owner." | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Go away! | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
"The deceased met with his death by being crushed between one of his own | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
"carts and a lorry." | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
A lorry was a term for a larger horse-drawn vehicle. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
He's literally had the breath squashed out of him. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
Well, that's a turn up for the book, that, isn't it, kid? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
I don't know what to say. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
-Talking about health and safety and then... -Yeah. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
-It's shocking. -Oh, blimey, what a way to die, eh? | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
I'm quite saddened, really, to read about that. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
Age 60, dead. And the way he died, but... | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
for me, I want to know now what happened to the rest of his family. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
I was absolutely appalled to see the conditions that my ancestors | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
worked in. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
They were like worker ants. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
They were creating all the wealth for this country, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
and yet they had none of it. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
And having seen the death that my great-great-great-grandfather Richard suffered, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
I just want to know what happened to his family. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
After his three times great-grandfather Richard's | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
tragic death in 1839 | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Ricky wants to find out what happened to his son, William, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
also a carter, and his wife, Mary. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
Ricky knows that in 1845 his great-great-grandparents | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
were living close to the docks. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
He's meeting historian John Belchem at The Casa, a docker's bar, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
to see what else he can find out. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
If you look at that 1851 census you will see that the family size | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
has been enhanced. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
So just looking at this we've got William, and Mary, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and they've got four children up to now. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
There's three more to come, so they have seven, in all. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Well, he wasn't too tired after work to enjoy a family life, was he? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Well, I mean, yes. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
So they moved to 26 Hygeia Street. Where would that be? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Now, I've got a map here, Ricky, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
which might give you some idea of it. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
So having started off down by the docks, we're now over Everton Brow, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
into suburban Liverpool. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Literally upwards, geographically and socioeconomically. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
-They're doing OK. We're on the up there. -You are indeed. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
Why do you think they may have moved so far away from the docks, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
considering his work would still be on the docks? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
His work certainly would be there, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
but I think the date is very significant. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
1851. It's a very timely move by your ancestors, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
because Liverpool had been drastically transformed | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
by the incredible influx of people from Ireland, fleeing the famine. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
In 1845 the potato crop in Ireland failed, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
bringing seven years of famine that decimated the Irish population. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
One million people died, and over a million more left the country. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
Tens of thousands of Irish people made Liverpool their new home. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
How would the local population, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
which I would imagine would be predominantly Protestant, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-how would they deal with it? -In very, very harsh terms. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
But they were very much stigmatised as being Irish Catholic, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
and therefore different, and therefore a problem. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
Have a look at this Liverpool Mail from the 1850s. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
"We allude to the systematic importation of Irish | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
"for the sole purpose of begging. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
"Last week 2,700 arrived, and on Sunday no fewer than 830. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:12 | |
"These people must live. If they do not beg they must steal. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
"Work, they will not." | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
-Terrible. -Indeed, yeah. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
They were starving, looking for a better way of life, a job, and whatever. Where would they live? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
They stayed close to the docks, which really become | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
overwhelmingly Irish and Catholic. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
That would be one of the reasons that my family | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
would want to move out. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
You have these clear areas of sectarian territory developing | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
in Liverpool in the 1840s. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
This way it's Catholic, that way, Protestant. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
So with these immigrants fleeing the famine, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
what sort of jobs would they do? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
-They wouldn't be carters, would they? -They certainly wouldn't be carters, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
but I'm not saying that absolutely every single one of the carters was Protestant, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
but overwhelmingly they were English-born Protestants. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
The Irish Catholics did the lower grade jobs and become dockers. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
-Yeah. -Have a look at this print, Ricky. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
The quayside is absolutely jam-packed | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
with sailing ships, isn't it? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
Liverpool as a dock flourishes, in part, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
because of this ready supply of cheap labour. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
So, William Tomlinson, my great-great grandfather, carter, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
working on the docks, how would this influx of Irish cheap labour, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
how would that affect him and his business? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
I think, probably, very well in the end. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
I mean, this is good times for the port. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
And Liverpool is on its way to becoming the maritime metropolis | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
of the world. So the more the docks are flourishing, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
the greater the need for carters. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
that there must have been incredible wealth about at that time. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
Made by the carters, the dockers, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
but it was only for the few, wasn't it? | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Yes, for the merchant princes who took great pride in living | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
in what they called the great second city of Empire. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
In the 1850s Liverpool was booming. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Within a generation exports had more than doubled, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
and imports of raw materials like timber, grain and cotton, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
vital for Britain's industries, soared. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
While profits for the city's merchants rocketed, wages, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
hours and conditions for those working on the docks, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
like William Tomlinson, remained unregulated. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
All I know is roundabout this period that William was working, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
he seemed to be in regular work, he was an established carter. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
The docks and the trade coming in was amazing. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Lots and lots of money, lots and lots of commerce, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
but I don't think it actually filtered down. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
So I'd like to know what happened to William. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
That's the next step in my journey. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Ricky has asked his friend, journalist Paddy Shennan, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
to see if he can uncover anything about William in Liverpool's | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
newspaper archives. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Have you been able to find out anything at all about him for me? | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
I went through the newspapers. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
Eventually I found something about William Tomlinson. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
-Oh. -A small piece here, if you'd like to read it. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
September 1st 1859. Blinking heck! | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
"Fatality to a carter - William Tomlinson. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
"The horse suddenly started forward, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
"he was crushed between the cart wheel and a pile of staves." | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
-It's horrific! -We have William dying, aged only 40. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
In very similar circumstances to his own father. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
-They were disposable, weren't they? -Yeah. -You know, probably, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
the next morning there was someone | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
there on the dock taking his place, you know? | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
"He was taken to the Southern Hospital where it was found that | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
"his bowels were seriously injured, and he died the same night." | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
They've paid a heavy price, haven't they, the Tomlinsons? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
God, I hope there's no more. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
It's awful sad, don't you see? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
-Heartbreaking, isn't it? -Father and son. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
"The poor widow said she had to go home from the hospital, leaving her | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
"injured husband to attend to her baby who was dying, also." | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
She's dashing home | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
-because she's got seven children, and one of them is dying. -Yeah. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
She must have been having a nervous breakdown. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
"A verdict of accidentally killed was returned, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
"and the jury complained that the surgeons of the Southern Hospital | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
"had, without any authority, opened the body of the deceased." | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
-Why have they opened him up? -It's not explained. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
It obviously, from what they...is being said there, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
the jury has actually brought it up, that shouldn't have happened. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
So he was definitely dead, definitely taken to the hospital, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
-and someone took a decision - open him up. -Yeah. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
-What for? -There was no need to do what they've done. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
But there's got to be a reason. Was there any skulduggery? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
It doesn't make sense. But, as far as the newspapers were concerned, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
this was it. This was where it ended. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
I want to know why. Why they opened him up. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
To discover why a postmortem was performed on William, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
Ricky is meeting an expert on Victorian medicine, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Dr John Baxter. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
So, my great-great-grandfather, why, if he was dead, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
why do you think they would want to open him up? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
So, let's be clear that what they | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
did to William was completely illegal. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
When you carry out a postmortem | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
it is generally to find out what happened, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
but we know he was crushed to death, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
so there was no need for them to go in to the body. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Something which shouldn't have happened, happened. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
-Why? Why did they do it? -This is an anatomy theatre of that era. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
During the 1800's surgeons and anatomists were struggling to get | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
bodies to practise upon. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
So in William's case they have taken the chance of a fit and healthy man, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:47 | |
who was quite strong, to go into his body, cut it up, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
and see his internal organs in that very short time his wife was away. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
I know you can't be sure, like, but in your opinion, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
what would they have done to William's body? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
Well, typical postmortem would have sliced open the chest cavity | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
and down through the intestines, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
down to the bowels which were mentioned in the report. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
They would then have removed the brain from the back of the head | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
and after that stuffed the organs back in, or even removed some. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
So Mary, my great-great-grandmother, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
she must have made some sort of formal complaint, mustn't she? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
There must have been a complaint. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
My research shows that it was Mary who did make the complaint. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
And the jury and the coroner agreed | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
with Mary that there'd been some malpractice going on. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
I feel a little bit better that she's had the courage and the | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
strength to make this objection. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
She was brave enough to stand up about the condition that | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
her husband's body was in. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
It wouldn't have looked very pretty at all. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
So what would have happened to William's body? | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
So this is the burial records here. Look at the bottom line, here. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
"September the 4th, William Tomlinson." | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
All of them people are buried on September the 4th. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
And they're all buried in lane 14. What exactly does that mean? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
What you're pointing out there is the layer number. Layer number 14. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
What you have here is William buried in a pauper's grave, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
alongside other people, other poor people. On the same day. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
So there'd have been no headstone, no marker, no nothing. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
No headstone, no marker, no. They'd have been tightly packed together. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
That's basically how William, sadly, ended up. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
It's very, very sad. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
So Mary went home because she had a very, very sick child. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Do we know what happened to the baby? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
We'll look at this document just here. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
"Certified copy of an entry of death. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
"The 20th of September, 1859. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
"George Tomlinson, male, two years of age. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
"Son of William the carter." | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
-Died of diarrhoea. -Yeah. -God, bless. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
How can you get upset about something that | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
happened nearly 150 years ago? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
But I am. I'm so angry. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
They're getting buried in a pauper's grave, with no dignity, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
with nothing, yet Liverpool is booming. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
It's absolutely booming. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
There's loads and loads of money for the few. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Maybe this is why I have this... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
..the politics that I've got. I don't know. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
But, I mean, that's absolutely scandalous. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
I'm thinking about Mary. Her world's collapsed. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
She's lost her husband, she's lost her little lad... | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
..and she's got them other six kids in the house. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
30-odd years of age. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
No income. No support. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
No nothing. What's going to happen to her now? | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Land of Hope and Glory, my arse! | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
'I could never forgive them people | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
'who treated my family and my people,' | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
my Liverpool people, the way they did. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
I'll never forgive them. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
I feel really, really bitter for the position that... | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
..Mary's found herself in. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
And that's why I've got to go on. That's why I've got to find out what | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
happened to her, and what happened to the rest of the kids, and... | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
the sooner I find out, the sooner I can be at ease with myself. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
-Do you want a cup of tea now? -Yes. -Or do you want to wait? | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
-No, I'll have it now. -Now. OK. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Back home Ricky is trying to find out what happened next to his | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
great-great-grandmother, Mary, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
and her children with the help of his wife, Rita. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
-What's the matter? -I'm not sure how I get into this. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
You need to master this. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
At my age, I'm not bothering now! | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
I know, but you know, still, I'm not here all the time, am I? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
-It's not just about this... -I won't be using it all the time. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
There you go. What are you looking for? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
I want to find out what happened to Mary, and what happened to the kids. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
Where they went, where did they end up? | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
Did they go in the workhouse or the poor house, call it what you will? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
-OK. -So how do we do that now? | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
-We need to look at the census, don't we? -I think he died in 1859. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
-She was still alive then, wasn't she? -Yeah. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Well, let's go to the 1861 census then. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
Let's put her name in. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Mary Tomlinson. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
-Lived in? -Liverpool. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
Give me a child that would have been alive at that time. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
Richard was the name of my great-grandad. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
I think I'm doing this right, I'm not sure. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
-There she is. -That's the one. -She'd have been 35 in 1861. -Yeah. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
-Are they her kids then? -One, two, three, four, five, six... | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
Yeah. Her and six kids. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Elizabeth, her eldest, is 15. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Then we've got Richard, who is my great-grandad, he's 14. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
-William, Catherine, Thomas and Mary is six. -Yeah. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
-Richard was an errand boy. -Yeah. -He wouldn't be earning much. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
-How is Mary keeping them all together? -I don't know. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
How is she making it pay? | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
I think that says Dryden Street. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
-Municipal ward of... -Scotland. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Scotland Ward, wouldn't it? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
That would have to be towards the dock area. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
"13 Stewart's Building." | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
They didn't live there before. They'd moved up to the Everton area, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
which was further away from the dock. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
But it was a slightly, slightly better area. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
Hang on. Look at this. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
-That's 13, where Mary is. -Yeah. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
I think there was another family living there. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
Charley Hackett. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
A dock labourer. Doesn't that say lodger? | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
-Yeah. -With his wife. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
-She's obviously took them in. -Maybe. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
There's her and the six kids, that's seven. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
Hackett and his wife, eight, nine. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
And two kids - 11 of them! | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
Blinking heck! | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
There'd be no chance of them paying the bedroom tax, would there? | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
Bloody hell! 11 of them in the one house. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
They'd have been on a rebate. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
I need to find out whether she does well for herself, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
whether she marries again. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
She must have been an amazing woman. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
I'll be looking for you, Mary. I'm coming looking for you. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Stuart's Buildings, where Mary lived in 1861, have been demolished. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:40 | |
So Ricky and Liverpool Museum curator Dr Liz Stewart, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
-are heading to see a similar building nearby. -So, just here. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
How would you describe this? Is it a tenement? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
This is the last surviving example of court and cellar dwellings. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Very famous in Liverpool in the 19th century. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
So we have an alleyway leading into a courtyard | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
which would be shared by a number of families, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
living in these small back-to-back houses. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
So no back-yards, no back windows. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Just a door, and a window, to the front of the house. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
The houses must have been pitch-black. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
-Honestly, they must have been like moles, mustn't they? -Yeah. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
This photograph shows court housing, it dates to about 1900, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
but conditions wouldn't have changed significantly from the 1860s. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
This could be where we're standing now, actually, couldn't it? | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
No play area for the kids. All sorts of filth over the floor there. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Shocking. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
I assume that they would be the toilets. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Well, this isn't the original block of toilets. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
So in Stuart Buildings, where your great-great-grandmother lived, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
there were 16 houses, eight down each side, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
probably two privies at the end of the courtyard. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
-So you're talking about 60 people per toilet. -Yeah. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
-I've got four toilets in my one house! -Exactly. -Crazy. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
It must have been horrendous, mustn't it? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
This document from the 1860s, the borough engineer, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
describes the toilet conditions. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
"The passage is generally terminated by the privy, and ash pit, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
"common to all the wretched dwellings. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
"With its liquid filth oozing through their walls | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
"even when the middens have been filled, so as to overflow the court, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
"no-one cared to take responsibility." | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
That's terrible. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
They must have been walking in human dirt, mustn't they? | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
I find it distressing to know that my great-great-grandmother | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Mary lived in conditions like this. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Liverpool's commercial success lured more and more people to the city. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
By 1861 the population had reached almost half a million. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
A 25% increase in a decade. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
More than a fifth of the population were living in overcrowded | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
court and cellar dwellings, like Mary and her children. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
God bless us! | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
Oh, my goodness me. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
-Pretty grim, isn't it? -It is, isn't it? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Very, very small space. If you think of the house with 11 people in it. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
You've got a shared living room, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
probably on the ground floor, and then these two bedrooms above. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
-Dickensian, isn't it? -This is the garret. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
Perhaps she rented out the better room to be sure of having lodgers, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
so it could be that all seven of | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
them were sleeping in a room like this. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
She's definitely on a downward spiral coming here, isn't she? | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
She would have felt quite a difference between Everton | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
and Dryden Street. You've got the 1847 Ordnance Survey map, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
-so we've got Dryden Street here. -Yeah. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
-Just off Scotland Road. -The Irish Catholic area. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Yes, she's living amongst Catholics, as a Protestant, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
in a very densely built-up area. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
So we can see Stuart Buildings, this very long, narrow court, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
so many houses crammed into that space. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
-It's a ghetto, isn't it? -Yeah. -I wonder how she was living. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
There was no sort of hand-outs in them days, was there? | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
In situations where you have a widow, not earning an income, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
there was the outdoor relief, but there were very strict, sort of, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
moral conditions for people to be able to claim that. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
Outdoor relief was financial assistance the parish provided | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
to help keep some of its poorest inhabitants out of the workhouse. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
Widows like Mary were closely watched to check they sent their | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
children to school, didn't drink alcohol and remained chaste. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
The young ones are listed on the census as scholars, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
but she couldn't really afford to lose the income of the older ones by | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
trying to send them to school. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
A couple of them were seamstresses, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
and a couple of the lads were errand boys. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
They'd be bringing in, well, maybe two shillings a week, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
amongst the three of them. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
So gathering the money for the rent, which might be around three or four | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
shillings a week, would be very difficult for her. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
They were grafters though, weren't they? They were workers, you know. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
So Mary obviously is very, very proud. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
She's managed to keep this family, with six children, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
out of the workhouse and hold the family together | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
in very difficult circumstances. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
God knows how long the family had to | 0:38:17 | 0:38:18 | |
live in conditions like this, you know. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
Well, we've looked in the 1871 census, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
and we don't see her in Liverpool at all. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Oh! So we don't know what's happened to her really then, do we? | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
We don't know where she's gone. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
Where do I go from here? Where do I go? Where do I go? Where do I look? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Well, it's possible that she's died. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Likely with the conditions they've been living in. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Well, this is one part of the journey I haven't liked. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
I'm really sad to find out that Mary ended up here with her kids. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
It must have been horrific. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
The state of the toilets, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
no light, candlelight. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
Damp. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
Damp of a morning, getting up. Damp of a night going to bed. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Pretty grim. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
I'm going to plod on. I'm going to find out what happened to her, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
'and I just hope that her fortunes take a turn for the better.' | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
The last record Ricky can find shows that in 1861 all the Tomlinsons were | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
still together. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
The older children were working, and the youngest two, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
Thomas and Mary Ann, were attending school. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
He is hoping the Liverpool Archives might hold some information | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
on what happened to the family next. And why Mary vanishes. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
I've lived here practically all my life, I've never been in this room. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
-Isn't it gorgeous? -It's absolutely fantastic. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
-This lovely dome. -Look at that. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
It's like going back in time, isn't it? | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
Can you hear the echo? | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
That's why you've got to be quiet in the library. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
I'm looking to try and find out what happened to my | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
great-great-grandmother. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:08 | |
There's no mention of her in the 1871 census. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
Well, the obvious place to look is in the workhouse records. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
And we haven't found Mary in the workhouse records at all. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
But I've got something for you to look at. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
"Kirkdale Industrial Schools." What is an industrial school? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
The idea, underpinning the industrial school, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
is that you train kids of the poor to be useful citizens. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
Boys, typically, are trained to be carpenters, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
girls are trained to be domestic servants. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
-Cheap labour, I'm afraid. I'm very cynical. -Cheap labour, yeah. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
Yeah, Mary Ann Tomlinson, 1855. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
-So this is the daughter of Mary. -This is Mary Ann. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
When was Mary Ann admitted? | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
If we look in the admissions column. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
1862. How old would she be there then? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
Seven. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
Blinking Heck! | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
"Deserted by mother." | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
How could she be deserted by her mother? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
This phrase, deserted by mother, suggests that Mary is alive. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
It's unlikely that Mary would have chosen to put her kids in here, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
if we look at the boys register we find Thomas, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
who's two years older than Mary Ann. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
So what we must assume at this stage is that she's in so... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
such a dire state of poverty | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
and need that the only way for her kids to survive | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
is to admit them to the industrial school. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
Do we know what life would be like for them kids? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
Their daily, sort of, lives, here? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:52 | |
Pretty harsh. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
You might be interested in reading the report of a poor law inspector | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
who came to Kirkdale in 1866. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
"I am unable to report that the school is any satisfactory state. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
"Some of the bedsteads are constructed to hold three children, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
"the close, disagreeable and unwholesome atmosphere | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
"of some of the sleeping wards is aggravated by wet beds. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
"These beds are not removed and changed daily, as they should be." | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
So these kids are sleeping in each other's urine. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
Good God! I don't know. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
And was there no sign of their mum ever again? | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
-Have we got no sign? -We've no signs of her at all in the 1860s. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
But if we look at the register for births, marriages and deaths. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
-This is 1871. -This is 1871. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
She's got married again? Get out of it! | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
Aged 44. Married a John McFee. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
Unbelievable. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Now that we know her married name is there anything else we can find out about her? | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
So let's have a look in the census, the 1871, | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
and see if we can find her. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
-Mary McFee, yeah. -And there she is. -Yeah. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
According to this she's...she's had another three children. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
John, James and William. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
They'll be half-brothers to the rest of the Tomlinsons. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
-That's ten kids she's had. Isn't it? -It is. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
-That's a second family. -According to this the oldest child there is nine. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
Which means it must have been born in... | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
..1862. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
That's the date that the kids get admitted to the industrial school. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
Oh, yeah. She was obviously pregnant. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
And this probably explains Mary's dilemma. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
So Mary, as a widow, was in an abyss of poverty. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
She was getting some relief from the parish, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
one of her options would be to find a new breadwinner, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
a new dad for the kids. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
She seems to have done this, big risk... | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
-But he wouldn't take the kids on. -She's pregnant. She's not married. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
So this is an illegitimate child, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
and the poor law is nothing if not moral. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
They would have withdrawn her relief at the minute they realised she was pregnant. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
Oh, I've got you. I've got you, yeah. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
Mary has been left utterly destitute... | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
..with no choice but to put her two youngest children into the industrial school. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
They've gone into the workhouse, and she's had a whole new family. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:36 | |
He only marries Mary once they leave the poor house, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
and they can earn their own living. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
-It speaks volumes about him, doesn't it? -It does. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
It makes me very, very angry to realise the way she's ended up, through no fault of her own. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
This guy she's married, in my opinion, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
-to use a Liverpool expression is a bit of a -BLEEP. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
Very sad, isn't it? | 0:44:58 | 0:44:59 | |
The family, as far as we can see from these documents, has broken up. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
Have you any idea what happened to my great-grandfather, Richard? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
If we look further in births, deaths and marriages, on the register, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
I think you might be interested to see this. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
-This is 1884. -1884. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
So Richard Tomlinson, who is now 32, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
he's marrying a girl called Sarah Ellen Lavery, my great-grandmother. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
-Your great-grandmother. -Richard's occupation - he's now a carter. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
Look at the witnesses. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
William McFee. It's his half brother. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
And actually, later on, we find | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
another half sibling living with Mary Ann. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
-Oh, good. -We thought the family had fallen apart. -Yeah. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
And yet what this shows is that they're obviously still in touch. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
My great-great-grandmother's managed to keep the family together somehow, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
by hook or by crook. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
I think we must conclude that Mary is an extraordinary woman. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
But, sadly, the same year Richard gets married Mary died of a stroke. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:05 | |
What a life. What a life. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
'I feel quite saddened to know the way the majority of my ancestors seem to have lived.' | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
They were toilers, grafters, labourers, call them what you will. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
Carters and whatever. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
And yet they had such a pitiful life. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
Now, I've got to finish this journey. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
'My great-grandad, Richard, did he fare any better? | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
'Did the city treat him any better? Did conditions get any better? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
'That's what I want to know.' | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
Ricky knows that his great-great-great-grandfather | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
Richard and his great-great-grandfather William | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
were both killed in carting accidents. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
By 1884 his great-grandad, also called Richard, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
was working in the same risky profession. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
Ricky is meeting historian | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
Sam Davies to see if conditions improved | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
for Liverpool carters like Richard. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
The last bit of information I've got | 0:47:15 | 0:47:16 | |
is that they got married in the 1880s. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Well, 1880s, you know, was an important period | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
in Liverpool's development. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
This is from the Illustrated London News in 1886, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
which tells you something about the city at that point. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
"Liverpool: Port, docks and city. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:30 | |
"Thanks to modern science and commercial enterprise, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
"has become a wonder of the world, it is the New York of Europe. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
"No town in England shows greater signs of activity," - fair enough - | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
"in the distribution of wealth." | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
They didn't distribute it very, very far from what I found out. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
Liverpool had the highest portion of millionaires per head of population | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
of any town in England, outside of London. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
-Go away! -And yet it also had some of the worst housing, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
worst working conditions, there was an enormous disparity. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
In the 1880s Britain was a global manufacturing powerhouse. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
Its factories producing nearly a quarter of the world's goods. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
But there was growing discontent among the working classes. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
And for the first time so-called unskilled workers, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
like waterfront labourers, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
began to form unions to fight for better conditions. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
This is an extract from the Liverpool Review, 1890. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
"The Carters' New Union. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
"Until a few weeks ago the carters were all sixes and sevens, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
"but now the prospect is changed, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
"and the carters are going to obtain many reasonable reforms, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
"or some of the masters will have a bad quarter of an hour." | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
I like the irony of that. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:41 | |
-The bosses will have a bad quarter of an hour. -Yeah, yeah. -God bless! | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
I'm a union man, as you know. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
And I have been for many, many years. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
And I'm just wondering do you think my great-grandfather, Richard, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
may have been involved in the union in that day and age? | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
Well, we don't have any records, so we can't be absolutely certain, | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
but I think it's very likely that your great-grandfather, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
being a regular carter, he'd have been in the union. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
By the early 1900s most of | 0:49:07 | 0:49:08 | |
Liverpool's waterfront workers were unionised. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
But the dockers, seafarers and carters all joined separate unions. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:17 | |
And they were divided on more than just trade lines. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
Carters, in particular, were a sort of, slightly, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
a cut above the dockers and the seafarers. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Slightly better paid. Slightly better off. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
But especially important was the carters' union was | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
very specifically seen as a Protestant union. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
And the dock workers would be predominantly Catholic? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
To a great extent, yeah, absolutely. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
It's a class division once again, isn't it? | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
A class division this time based on religion. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
Would there be any animosity between the Protestants and Catholics? | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
Oh, yes. Absolutely. In fact, sectarian issues become significant. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:49 | |
And you do get an increase in incidents, riots, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
attacks and so on associated with Catholics or Protestants, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
culminating, really, in a major outbreak of sectarian rioting. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
It's hard to visualise, isn't it? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
The hostility and the division that went on. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
Would my family, being Protestant, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
be affected by this trouble that was going on at the time? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
I think it was unavoidable for them. Have a look at the 1911 census. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
Here is your family, at that point. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
This is my great-grandad, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
Richard Tomlinson, he's the head of the family. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
And then we've got Richard, so that would be my grandad Tommo, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
he's aged 24, and he's single. General carter... | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
-Elias Street, now where was that? -Well, we've got a map here, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
which shows the city in the early part of the 20th century. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
So Elias Street is just down here. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
-Elias Street. -It's just off Great Homer Street, there. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
That's the traditional boundary between Catholics and Protestants. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
They live just on the Protestant side. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
All the riots started with marches taking place on Great Homer Street. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
They would have been right on their doorstep where they were living. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
Right in the firing line, really. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
It would be very difficult to grow up in that sort of environment | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
without being affected by it in some way. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
From what you know of your family, and what you remember, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
were any of them bigoted in any way? | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
No, my grandad Tommo wasn't, I can never remember him being, sort of, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
in any way bigoted at all. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
Maybe he had more sense than we give him credit for. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
He just wasn't involved. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:21 | |
Ricky's updating Rita on what he's recently found out. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
The carters actually organised themselves, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
and I'm delighted to say that my grandad was probably one of them | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
that was a member of the carters' union. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
So your ancestors must be like you then? | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
-Yeah, obviously. -Firebrands and want justice for everyone. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
Stuff like that. It must be in the genes. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
It must be. But at that time there | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
was a divide in the working class in Liverpool. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
-In what way? -Religious. A religious divide. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
Although the little bit I know of my | 0:51:57 | 0:51:58 | |
grandad, he had nothing to do with it. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
He wasn't a bigot in any way, shape or form. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
But the boundary was sort of Great Homer Street. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
One side was the Catholics, towards the docks, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
and the other side was the Protestants, up towards Everton. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
That's why all your lot were up with the Orange Lodge, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
-and us lot were down... -Yeah, amongst the -BLEEP! -Yeah. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
-I saved you from all that. -Sod off! Calm down. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
But it does fire me up. I mean, you and me sitting here now, | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
you're a Catholic, I'm a Protestant. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
-Yeah. -That, that, you know, 100 years ago, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
that would have been practically impossible. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
So something must have happened to unite them, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
despite their religious beliefs? | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Because it's not like that now, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:39 | |
it hasn't been like that for many years. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
There was obviously a sea change, wasn't there, at some time? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
Something must have happened. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
Ricky is meeting social historian Mark O'Brien. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
My grandad and my great-grandad were carters, but as you will know, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
at the time there was a religious divide. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
Oh, the working class in Liverpool was terribly divided before 1911. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
But that starts to change, particularly with the arrival of one | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
person called Tom Mann. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
The founder of the National Transport Federation. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
-Oh, yeah. -Here he is inspiring workers. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
Would my grandad have had a chance to listen to him? | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
Oh, no question. He was close to the carters. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
He was absolutely involved with their union. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
His message to Liverpool workers is to unite, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
to make class a type of identity | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
which was different from being a Catholic or being a Protestant. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
-You're a worker. A worker, first and foremost. -Yeah. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
In August 1911 Thomas Mann called for all workers, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
Protestant and Catholic, carters and dockers, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
to walk out in solidarity with striking railway workers. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
For the first time in Liverpool's history | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
they put aside their religious differences and united. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
So that's here, that's where we're standing now. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
-Yes. -That's wonderful, that, isn't it? | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
I'm made up to see they're like that. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
Instead of in rags and whatever. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
It shows that they still had pride and dignity within themselves. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
I just wish I was amongst it, but I hope, probably, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
my grandad would probably be amongst that crowd there, being a carter. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
The carters' union was absolutely central to all of this. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
Your grandfather, and possibly even your great-grandfather | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
would almost certainly have been in that crowd, Ricky. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
I'm very proud, and I'd like to think they were there, yeah. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
How many thousands do you reckon was there? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
Reports from The Times say 100,000. It was an extraordinary moment. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
And the whole of the Liverpool working class were together for the | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
first time, displaying solidarity. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
So they've kept on going, haven't they? | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
They keep getting knocked down, but they're like a rubber ball, they bounce back. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
That's why I'm so proud, you know, being a Scouser. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
I'd be part of that crowd. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:45 | |
Agitating for a better living for everybody, you know? | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
-Tremendous. -I can imagine that. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
-What followed that? -There was panic in the establishment, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
they were worried about law and order, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:55 | |
they were worried also about revolution. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
The Home Secretary, Winston Churchill, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
feared the strikes which were bringing Liverpool to a standstill | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
might spread across the country and cripple Britain's economy. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
He ordered 2,000 troops onto the city's streets, and sent a gunboat, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
the HMS Antrim, to the Mersey. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
The city goes into meltdown. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
The most extreme events took place around Great Homer Street. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
I don't know if you know | 0:55:24 | 0:55:25 | |
-Great Homer Street. -Yeah, that's where my family were from. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
There was a regiment of hussars, and there were workers there protesting. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
The hussars raised their rifles and | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
minutes later two workers had been shot dead. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
Get out of it! | 0:55:38 | 0:55:39 | |
One was a carter, one was a docker. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
At the funeral procession some days later | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
hundreds of workers turned out to mourn and show solidarity. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
They didn't see them as Protestant or Catholic, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
they saw them as workers who'd fallen. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:53 | |
That was a breakdown of the bigotry then, wasn't it? | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
Well, I'm made up in a way, because my grandad, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
he would have been out there listening to that, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
and I think he had the sense and the foresight to say, "Forget that, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
"forget the religion. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
"Practice your religion if you want to, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:08 | |
"but don't use it as a weapon against anyone else." | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
I'm proud to think that my grandad, my grandad Tommo as we called him, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
he would have learned so much from that. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
And any bigotry that may have been around at the time within him, gone. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
Disappeared. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
'It's been an incredible journey. I've laughed and I've cried. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
'I've been angry, I've been upset. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
'But it's really nice to be here, while it's so peaceful and quiet.' | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
The waterfront now is wonderful. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
People come from all over the world to see it. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
But it wasn't like that in the days of my ancestors. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
They were grafters. They were carters. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
They worked on the docks day in, day out. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
And they passed the trade down to their sons. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
And even though they were classed as the lowest of the low, | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
they started forming unions, they got rid of that religious divide. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
And the women made something out of nothing. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
They had hardship most of their lives, but they carried on going. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
They reared their children, they try to make things | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
better for their children. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:13 | |
So I'm just, I'm just so proud of them all. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
They made Liverpool what it is. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
'I love the city, and I love the people. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
'I don't want to live anywhere else.' | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 |