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'Adult trauma call...'

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Just move yourselves over to the side for a minute.

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This winter, one of Britain's busiest NHS trusts

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opened its doors...

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We have to look after the patients

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whether they come from Buck Palace or the park bench.

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..to show us what's really happening inside our hospitals.

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We've got lots of patients now

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competing for an unknown number of beds.

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Every week, more than 20,000 people are treated here.

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-The pressure's just gone.

-What?! Has it completely gone?

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And the numbers, as well as our expectations, are rising.

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We just had our worst ten days on record.

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There's nowhere in the hospital to move anybody.

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At some point,

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somebody will be telling us whether we're allowed to do any work.

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This is a place with some of the best specialists in the world...

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The tumour's out. Job done.

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..where lives are transformed.

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This is saving his life. It has to work.

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But they're operating at a time when the NHS

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has never been under more pressure.

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-Any beds?

-No.

-No beds for anyone?

-No.

-OK.

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It does feel to me like the elastic's a bit nearer

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to breaking now than it ever was.

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Its very future under scrutiny.

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All right, I think we will go out on red,

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because we're under real pressure in the emergency department.

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We're aware of the problems.

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Anybody got a solution(?)

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Following the patients from the moment they are admitted...

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Anything I've done up to this point means nothing compared to when

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you can literally give a bit of yourself to save someone else.

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..to the moment they leave.

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It's all good news. The cancer's gone.

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You don't need any more treatment.

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-Fantastic!

-Thank you so much.

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Week by week, we reveal the complex decisions the staff must make

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about who to care for next.

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That patient is coming to me to be operated on

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and if I don't do it, then there's only one inevitable outcome -

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they're going to die.

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SIRENS WAIL

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PHONE RINGS

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This is main theatre admissions.

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One can do 12...

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Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust performs over 500 operations

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across 19 different surgical specialities every week.

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How long after MRSA...?

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Got probably about...

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-12 hours' worth of operating on this list.

-At least.

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-16.

-Yep.

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-OFF CAMERA:

-How's your morning been?

-Er, pretty stressful.

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A big case that I was supposed to be doing this afternoon

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we've had to move and cancel because of this trauma patient

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that we've got to get done.

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Hip and pelvic specialist Angus Lewis

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works across two of the Trust's five hospitals.

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There is only two pelvic surgeons here

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and one of those is away on annual leave at the moment,

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so it's just me.

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We are a bit stretched.

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Could do with another ten!

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But we're not going to get that.

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I've finished here at Charing Cross, I'm coming over

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so hopefully by then, the theatre's ready and we can crack on.

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I'll see you over there. All right, bye.

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Today, Angus is needed in St Mary's, five miles away,

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to operate on a man with a shattered pelvis.

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We are constantly battling with elective service

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and the trauma service

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and our trauma service is getting busier and busier by the year.

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Hopefully, timing-wise, the operating theatre at St Mary's

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is going to be vacant by the time I get there on motorcycle.

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It's a bit of a rush but it's just the way it is at the moment

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and we're just going to have to get our skates on.

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It was a rough night.

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It's-it's very painful at the moment.

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Angus's patient is 52-year-old hairdresser Reno.

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HE GROANS

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At the moment, what they're trying to do,

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to keep the bone of my leg out from the socket

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away as far as they can by putting the weights at the bottom,

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because they say if it goes up, it can cause more damage.

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I cannot move at all, just my toes I can wave a little bit,

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that's as far as it goes.

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Reno fractured his pelvis in a motorcycle accident.

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He's been waiting four days for an operation to repair it.

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The way the doctor explained to me, the whole socket,

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it's shattered,

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it's about seven, eight pieces and I'm actually sitting on it.

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Along with some other medication,

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every five minutes, I get 15ml of...

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like a morphine.

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Ooh.

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There's nothing they can do.

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I just, I can't find the right sweet angle.

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The right...

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Oh.

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To make time for Reno's surgery,

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Angus has cancelled another patient's preplanned hip operation.

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This is a very bad injury.

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The socket of his left hip joint is in quite a lot of pieces

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which need to be put back

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and it's therefore going to take quite a long operation,

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four to five hours and it's not a fracture we can leave.

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The longer you leave it, the more difficult it is to fix it.

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I don't really want to wait any longer with this gentleman.

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INAUDIBLE

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The problem we've got is the case

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that was meant to finish hasn't finished yet.

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Right, and then tomorrow, we've only got half a list.

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God, after all that.

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Oh, God.

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It is really... Yeah.

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Well, we'll talk about it when I've calmed down.

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It's none of your fault.

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It's not your fault. I'm just pissed off.

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Cos I've now got to find another slot for this guy.

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The consultant who was doing this operation, you know,

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was trying to get me into theatre on time and unfortunately we failed.

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And it's just...

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you do all these things to try and get these things slotted in,

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a lot of which is out of your control, you do what you can...

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and then it all just goes to pot.

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And that's where we are at the moment.

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OK. Erm...

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I'm going to have to go and tell him.

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I don't... Can you...? If you speak to Ian and just say,

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"Look, there's another two hours left on this list,"

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-if we can get something done.

-Yeah.

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We've now pushed aside an elective case

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which, when you look back on hindsight,

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you wish you hadn't and then you end up doing nothing.

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I hate doing this.

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It doesn't get any easier.

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Hello.

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Well, I was better.

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I am going to tell you that, yeah.

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And I know the disappointment you're going to have.

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You... I have just tried to shift mountains today

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to try and get you done.

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And I failed.

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I'm sorry.

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The case that was in that theatre has gone on longer

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than the surgeon expected, which is not his fault either,

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but it has run-on effects on what we need to do.

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And I'm really sorry.

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It's very frustrating.

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Now, Friday is the next slot.

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I have you top of the list.

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I'm not having this again.

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All right.

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I'm sorry. OK.

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I'll be in touch.

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Reno is one of more than 300 patients at St Mary's

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who have had their orthopaedic surgery delayed in the past year.

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A bit frustrating.

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And I do feel for the doctor,

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because he was more frustrated than me.

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All decisions they've got their hands tied up for.

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It's not their fault. It's really the system.

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It's not their fault.

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Friday now, so I've got two more days of just pain.

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Welcome to the conference centre.

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Good morning, everyone.

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So, St Mary's went out on red this morning.

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It's the job of site director Lesley Powls and her team

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to make sure there's enough beds at St Mary's for its patients.

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Unplaced electives.

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This is a little bit of a movable feast this morning

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and we're on hold at the moment for anything except for day cases

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and inpatients in the correct beds.

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An elective patient is a planned patient,

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so it's a patient who knows they're coming into hospital for a surgery.

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'I only called you because I've got six...'

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The first thing that happens when we have bed pressures

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is we review our electives, and what we tend to do is

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prioritise then our urgent electives,

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so our electives who need cancer surgery,

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and patients who have been waiting considerable lengths of time.

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So, this morning we have got only two beds in the hospital,

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so all electives, I was about to ring theatres,

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are going to go on hold for the time being.

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I'm trying to be hopeful,

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but I have a feeling they probably will be cancelled.

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How's it going?

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One of the surgeons hoping to operate today is

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gastric bypass specialist consultant Mr Ahmed Ahmed.

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Ah, Rhona, hi. How are you? Do we know what the bed status is?

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-I've explained that we need two beds for the bypasses.

-Yeah.

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I mean, and you're telling me that at the moment we have one bed?

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-I don't have any bed at the moment.

-No beds.

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41-year-old Daniel is one of five patients today on Mr Ahmed's list.

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There's a little bit of me in the back of my mind which is anxious.

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But fingers crossed we've got a bed and we can get this done.

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I don't think I can go through another being sent away

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and having to wait for another appointment again.

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Daniel has been waiting a year and a half for his weight-loss surgery.

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I am 27 stone,

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and I have a BMI of just short of 50.

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The family history has not been great,

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so all our parents are no longer with us,

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so they've all passed away through one ill health or another, so...

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If I can sort of increase my chances of a longer life

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and a healthier life, it's got to be good.

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I don't want to be another statistic,

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where my girls are growing up without their dad.

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I don't want them to be saying goodbye to me at 45.

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Daniel's surgery is scheduled to take place in

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St Mary's £10 million Surgical Innovation Centre.

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It has its own dedicated weight loss operating theatre and

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oversized beds for clinically obese patients.

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Hi, Mandy, how are you? Do you have any questions...?

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When St Mary's is close to capacity, the weight loss beds are regularly

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redeployed to higher priority patients from across the hospital.

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-INTERVIEWER:

-Where does bariatric surgery kind of sit

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in the pecking order at St Mary's, in terms of who gets cancelled?

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Well, unfortunately it's low down on the priority list.

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It's often our patients that, you know, get cancelled,

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because there's a lack of beds.

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The beds will first go to patients that are coming in through

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accident and emergency and then lastly there will be

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elective surgery like bariatric surgery and...

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Other specialties as well.

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I mean, I don't want to say that mine is the only one

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that's suffering this problem.

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Any kind of elective noncancerous surgery, you know, gets hit.

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When the centre opened in 2012,

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Mr Ahmed and his team performed 750 operations.

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Last year, they completed just 150.

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If you look at the number of patients who meet our

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national NHS criteria for bariatric surgery,

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we should be doing about 1.5 million operations

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a year in this whole country.

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But I can tell you, last year we probably only did about 9,000.

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The last time it got cancelled was one of the most difficult days

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that I've had in quite a long time.

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We have this endless number of patients that's building up

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that don't get their surgery

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because there is actually no beds in the hospital.

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That is our 82nd complaint from a lady patient of ours.

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"I was referred for bariatric surgery at St Mary's in April 2015.

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"On calling the team at Mary's, I was informed I would only

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"possibly get a date February next year, 2017.

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"Putting aside the growing desperation to get my surgery done

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"and the stress this is causing, this is influencing

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"my ability to make decisions on my career because I am in limbo.

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"This journey has taken the better part of four years.

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"Can you please help?"

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The waiting list for bariatric surgery

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is one of the longest in the Trust.

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I think generally there's a feeling that we're victimising them

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and not giving them...

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We're withholding surgery, and what I try to get across is that

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it's not personal, but that there is...

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I think there is a stigmatisation against obesity and that that's

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part of the problem, that we're not prioritising these operations.

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Because in general there's a perception

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that obesity is not as big a problem,

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or somehow a lifestyle problem that people have caused themselves.

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It's sad to say but we get a fair amount of complaints,

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and there is a common theme,

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which is basically that people who struggle with this disease

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have to wait so long to get treatment.

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How many patients do we have tomorrow coming for surgery?

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All right.

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Fourth time?

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Third time coming in.

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So that's two three-time cancellations and

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a fourth-time cancellation, so that's ten cancellations

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on the list tomorrow already happened previously.

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Unbelievable. All right.

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If Daniel's operation goes ahead today,

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he'll need to recover for two days afterwards on the ward.

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We're going to just pop over to The Lindo Wing,

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which is the private unit of St Mary's Hospital.

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With no beds available,

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Mr Ahmed has a plan to ensure Daniel's operation can happen.

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We were able to have a negotiation

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which has allowed the NHS part of our hospital

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to buy two beds for after surgery for two of my patients.

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The Lindo Wing is a 39-bed private hospital

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owned and operated by Imperial Trust.

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Profits from The Lindo are reinvested into the Trust

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and used to support its NHS services.

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It's one of the primary private units in London.

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I mean, it's very popular.

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I mean, you obviously remember, you know,

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Prince George and Princess Charlotte were born here not so long ago.

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So, yes, it's very important.

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Good morning, Reception. Dorika speaking. How can I help you?

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Hello. Oh, there she is!

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-Are you going to take two of my patients today?

-Yes, I am.

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-We're ready for you.

-Thank you. All right, perfect.

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The Lindo can accommodate Mr Ahmed's NHS patients today because

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it's not currently full of private clients.

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The costs of nursing them in the private Lindo

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during their recovery from surgery will be borne by Mr Ahmed's

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NHS bariatrics budget.

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The alternative, which is not to use these private beds,

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would be for us not to do any surgery.

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And that would be a complete waste of money because it costs the NHS

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I think roughly about £20 a minute to run an operating room.

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So you can imagine, with all the team and the staff that's there,

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and if we don't operate,

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that's costing a lot of money and a lot of wastage.

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So at least by paying a little bit and getting these extra beds,

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at least two of our cases don't get cancelled.

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You know, I think that's a great idea.

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What have you got, elective-wise, Linda?

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Oh, we've got nine for surgery.

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We use The Lindo Wing beds when they have free capacity,

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but what that means is when we do that,

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we in effect stop Lindo being able to use those beds

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for a paying private patient.

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The Lindo Wing is part of Imperial and the money that the Lindo

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bring in we use to fund NHS work.

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For me, if we've got an empty bed anywhere on this site

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I will make sure that we use it,

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because it's really important to get our patients treated,

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irrespective of how the money for that bed comes in.

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Which two of these beds can I have?

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Colorectal surgeon George Reese is also scheduled

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to operate this morning.

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Hi, good morning.

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So, there's two patients on my list today, two ladies,

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who should have been booked for HDU, I think.

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-Are you likely to have any discharges, do you know?

-Erm...

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-They haven't done the round yet but...

-Well, we'll wait.

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Before he can start, Mr Reese needs to find an HDU,

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or a high dependency unit, bed for his patient, 84-year-old Betty.

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-Were you up very early?

-Yes.

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Crack of doom.

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Betty was diagnosed with bowel cancer a month ago.

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She's accompanied by her two sons.

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I think the worst thing is not hearing the news yourself

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but telling your relatives, and those close to you.

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I can't quite believe that...

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that I've actually got it.

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It doesn't seem possible.

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I don't know.

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You expect to have some feeling that there's that beast in you.

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But there's, apart from having an occasional pain,

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there's nothing extraordinary about it.

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-Quite tough. Are you quite brave?

-No, no! I'm a registered coward!

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But pull the plug if I'm going to be...

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As soon as they stop filming, we'll do that, yeah.

0:20:280:20:31

HE SIGHS

0:20:390:20:41

HE SIGHS

0:20:500:20:53

We're going to do a day case whilst we find out if we're going to be

0:20:530:20:56

allowed to do any operating at all today because the bed

0:20:560:21:00

situation is worse than we had first thought.

0:21:000:21:02

And we may not even get a bed for our cancer case, apparently.

0:21:020:21:06

Any help in negotiating a bed would be appreciated.

0:21:170:21:21

I'm texting our divisional manager.

0:21:210:21:26

And I'm also going to send the same message to his boss.

0:21:260:21:29

Just, really, for some leverage.

0:21:290:21:31

Everyone's doing what they can, but I don't like being in the dark.

0:21:310:21:34

Because things were so bad for such a long time

0:21:340:21:38

that all of the previous ways

0:21:380:21:42

we had of negotiating beds have been exhausted.

0:21:420:21:46

And...there isn't a way any more.

0:21:460:21:49

The site manager says there's a bed, there's a bed.

0:21:490:21:52

Or they don't, and then there isn't.

0:21:520:21:54

OK. Daniel, good to see you, how are you?

0:22:030:22:05

Welcome back to the hospital for attempt number two.

0:22:050:22:08

At the moment, in the hospital,

0:22:080:22:10

we are having a huge problem with beds on the NHS side.

0:22:100:22:13

So, in fact, we don't have any beds for you.

0:22:130:22:15

But I have got a bed for you in the private side.

0:22:150:22:18

So you're going to be looked after after the surgery not in this

0:22:180:22:22

building but the one across the street,

0:22:220:22:24

which is the private building, for private patients.

0:22:240:22:27

And we've actually done a deal so we basically bought

0:22:270:22:30

a bed for you there so the operation doesn't get cancelled.

0:22:300:22:33

You'll have your own private room, and, you know, en-suite bathroom.

0:22:330:22:37

You know, it's a bit more luxurious.

0:22:370:22:40

Daniel's obesity has led to Type 2 diabetes,

0:22:400:22:44

sleep apnoea and high blood pressure.

0:22:440:22:47

And the amazing thing we will hopefully see, and we see

0:22:470:22:51

that in 80% of cases,

0:22:510:22:52

is your diabetes will begin to melt away within hours of the operation.

0:22:520:22:57

All these drugs you're on at the moment, hopefully,

0:22:570:23:00

we'll be able to switch them all off, one after the other.

0:23:000:23:04

'You can take Daniel's case.'

0:23:040:23:06

Poor guy's suffering from diabetes and on five different drugs.

0:23:060:23:09

How much money does that cost the NHS?

0:23:090:23:10

I would say just tablet treatment for diabetes

0:23:100:23:14

will probably be costing the NHS close to £8,000-£9,000 every year

0:23:140:23:18

for the rest of his life.

0:23:180:23:20

So, people who have diabetes will get heart disease,

0:23:200:23:22

they'll get strokes, they'll get problems with their eyes,

0:23:220:23:25

they'll get amputations, they'll get kidney damage.

0:23:250:23:28

And I'm not even costing in the cost of treating those health

0:23:280:23:30

problems from diabetes.

0:23:300:23:32

So, one operation that's going to cost the NHS close

0:23:320:23:34

to £6,000 will, in fact, pay for itself within a year or two.

0:23:340:23:38

-All right, thank you, see you in a bit. Goodbye.

-Thank you.

0:23:380:23:41

-Oh, I'm sorry it's such a long time.

-That's all right.

0:23:440:23:47

I thought you'd be going.

0:23:470:23:49

Betty needs a post-operative high dependency bed,

0:23:490:23:51

which is still not available.

0:23:510:23:53

There is one potential short-term solution.

0:23:540:23:57

We can do the cancer if we're prepared for her

0:23:580:24:01

to stay in recovery.

0:24:010:24:02

Let me check the number on your band.

0:24:020:24:04

Although I've got permission to send,

0:24:040:24:07

she's going to have to spend...

0:24:070:24:09

you know, probably at least a couple of days in recovery.

0:24:090:24:13

Of all the ladies I've had for these cancers,

0:24:150:24:18

this is really not a good person to leave in recovery indefinitely.

0:24:180:24:22

Recovery is a 12-bay holding area

0:24:230:24:26

adjacent to the main operating theatres.

0:24:260:24:29

It's designed for patients to wake up from their anaesthetic,

0:24:310:24:35

before being moved and cared for on the appropriate ward.

0:24:350:24:39

What it means is that because our recovery isn't set up as a ward,

0:24:390:24:44

it's supposed to be somewhere that people spend no more than

0:24:440:24:47

four hours, there are not the normal facilities you need

0:24:470:24:51

to get people up and going after an operation, and it's not staffed

0:24:510:24:54

to nurse unwell, post-operative patients for long periods of time.

0:24:540:24:58

We know that there are some operations where we just

0:24:580:25:03

really struggle to be able to postpone them.

0:25:030:25:06

And we look for what's the next best option.

0:25:060:25:09

And, often, the next best option, for that patient is recovery.

0:25:090:25:14

A last resort is cancelling.

0:25:140:25:15

It's the next best option.

0:25:150:25:18

Hi, sorry to disturb you.

0:25:190:25:21

Thank you and everyone said that I'm allowed to do the cancer case

0:25:210:25:24

and she can stay here and stuff, but I'm not totally sure

0:25:240:25:27

if she's the right person to stay here.

0:25:270:25:29

She's 84, she's quite frail,

0:25:290:25:32

and it might not be the nicest or safest place for her to recover

0:25:320:25:37

for more than a minimum period of time.

0:25:370:25:40

How are we staffed, if we do decide to do this now?

0:25:400:25:44

So, today, the only patient I know that's going to stay overnight...

0:25:440:25:50

-Would be her?

-..is her.

0:25:500:25:52

If you're well staffed, and she'll be the only one,

0:25:520:25:54

then that should be OK. OK, thank you.

0:25:540:25:58

We'll go ahead with Betty's operation.

0:26:000:26:02

After only...

0:26:030:26:05

..3.5 hours of wrangling.

0:26:070:26:09

So, we're going to send for Betty.

0:26:090:26:11

Oh, right, OK.

0:26:110:26:13

Thank you.

0:26:130:26:16

-See you later.

-Yep.

-Goodbye for now.

0:26:200:26:23

Thank you.

0:26:260:26:28

-Hi, sorry about the delay.

-Hello.

0:26:290:26:31

I think you've witnessed a lot of the frustration we've had

0:26:310:26:33

this morning, trying to do operations and being told,

0:26:330:26:37

"No, you can't start in case there's no bed later," and, then,

0:26:370:26:42

after hours of not doing anything, they find a bed.

0:26:420:26:46

Bowel cancer is the fourth most common cancer in the UK,

0:26:480:26:52

with over 100 new diagnoses each day.

0:26:520:26:54

Bowel cancer is curable.

0:26:560:26:58

And if people report symptoms to their doctors early,

0:26:580:27:04

then they have better results.

0:27:040:27:06

Let's orientate it.

0:27:080:27:10

So, this is the ascending colon and the caecum coming down here.

0:27:100:27:13

And then off the bottom of the caecum, this is going to be the

0:27:130:27:17

appendix here, which has tailed back on itself.

0:27:170:27:20

The cancer's all in here.

0:27:200:27:22

It's very hard here.

0:27:220:27:23

Until we've got the final pathology, I can't...

0:27:230:27:27

I can never say never,

0:27:270:27:28

but I would imagine that we will consider it definitive...

0:27:280:27:31

..treatment.

0:27:320:27:34

Betty will stay in recovery until an HDU bed becomes available.

0:27:360:27:41

After 18 months of waiting,

0:27:470:27:50

Daniel is having his gastric bypass surgery.

0:27:500:27:53

It's only going ahead because the Trust's private Lindo Wing

0:27:530:27:57

is providing him with a bed.

0:27:570:27:59

This is the first time we've done this.

0:28:010:28:04

Is it a long-term solution? I don't know.

0:28:040:28:06

That's something you'd have to ask the managers.

0:28:060:28:09

How long can the carry on...

0:28:090:28:11

you know...

0:28:110:28:13

funding these private beds? Hard to know.

0:28:130:28:16

But, you know, it's one way to, you know, get through the work,

0:28:160:28:21

and make sure our patients get the surgery they need so much.

0:28:210:28:24

Mr Ahmed will use keyhole surgery to reduce the size of Daniel's

0:28:250:28:29

stomach by 80%.

0:28:290:28:31

So, this is the size of his new stomach, his neo-stomach.

0:28:330:28:35

We're joining on the lower bowel.

0:28:350:28:38

So, this is the small intestine being pulled up,

0:28:380:28:40

so his initial weight loss will come all internally.

0:28:400:28:44

All this fat we see here will melt away in the next few weeks.

0:28:440:28:48

Start to go very, very quickly for him.

0:28:480:28:50

The surgery, it returns life expectancy back to normal.

0:28:510:28:56

It reduces the risk of getting cancer by 40%.

0:28:560:28:59

People who were previously perhaps not working or on unemployment

0:28:590:29:03

benefit will, hopefully, after losing weight and getting

0:29:030:29:06

their health back, will go back to work.

0:29:060:29:08

So, I can't think of any other surgery that's as beneficial,

0:29:080:29:11

both to the individual and to society.

0:29:110:29:14

Daniel's operation is completed.

0:29:160:29:18

He'll spend two nights recovering in St Mary's private Lindo Wing.

0:29:180:29:23

Ah, there she is!

0:29:370:29:39

Not quite what I expected when I came up. They're just waiting

0:29:430:29:46

for a bed in the high-dependency.

0:29:460:29:48

Yeah.

0:29:520:29:53

She's always been the one that looks after us rather than

0:29:530:29:56

anyone else looking after her.

0:29:560:29:58

You go back to sleep, if you can.

0:30:000:30:03

After seven hours in recovery,

0:30:090:30:11

a bed becomes available for Betty in the high-dependency unit.

0:30:110:30:15

It's Lesley at St Mary's. Have we got Hammersmith?

0:30:230:30:26

-'Yes.'

-Renal, are you on the line?

-'Yes. No problems.

0:30:260:30:30

-'We have two beds.'

-Marvellous.

0:30:300:30:33

Three miles west of St Mary's

0:30:330:30:35

is the Trust's renal unit at Hammersmith Hospital.

0:30:350:30:38

Renal will work really hard to ensure that there is

0:30:400:30:43

a bed if they have something like a transplant coming up.

0:30:430:30:46

And they're protected, because what they do is very, very special.

0:30:460:30:51

Surgeons here are specialists in live kidney transplants,

0:30:510:30:55

where organs are harvested from healthy donors.

0:30:550:30:58

You are seeing the best of the best.

0:30:590:31:02

It's kind of the jewel in Imperial's crown, really.

0:31:020:31:05

Can we do a group hug?

0:31:070:31:09

-Yep!

-So, busy day today. We have...

0:31:090:31:13

Head of transplantation Frank Dor

0:31:130:31:16

conducts around 35 live donations a year.

0:31:160:31:19

People are still not aware that they can save a life by donating

0:31:210:31:25

a kidney. It is one of the most beautiful things to do.

0:31:250:31:28

As you will see, it's just lovely to do an operation knowing that people

0:31:280:31:31

will actually get a second life and knowing that the donor will

0:31:310:31:36

do well, as well.

0:31:360:31:37

-So, let's concentrate on the live donor first...

-Yep.

0:31:370:31:41

..and everything else according to the protocol.

0:31:410:31:45

BELL PINGS

0:31:450:31:47

-Hi!

-How are you?

-I'm fine! How are you?

-Yeah, I'm all right.

-Good!

0:31:490:31:53

How are you?

0:31:530:31:55

31-year-old Jen, a mother of two,

0:31:550:31:57

is donating one of her kidneys to save her husband's life.

0:31:570:32:01

In my mind, it's very black and white to give my kidney away.

0:32:010:32:05

For me, it's not a selfless thing that I'm doing.

0:32:050:32:09

We are ready.

0:32:090:32:10

My husband gets his life back, my kids get their father back.

0:32:100:32:14

Jen's husband Elliot has a rare autoimmune disease which has

0:32:150:32:19

left him with just 5% kidney function.

0:32:190:32:22

I had kidney failure and I had to go straight onto dialysis.

0:32:230:32:27

He is kept alive by regular four-hour dialysis sessions.

0:32:280:32:33

The last eight months have been pretty tough,

0:32:330:32:36

you know, not being able to work full time and going to

0:32:360:32:39

dialysis three times a week.

0:32:390:32:40

We've got a young family, and we've got kids,

0:32:420:32:44

and we explained to them that everybody has two kidneys and both

0:32:440:32:48

of Daddy's kidneys weren't working and that he needed a new one.

0:32:480:32:52

At Imperial, without a live donor,

0:32:520:32:54

kidney patients typically wait three to five years for an organ to

0:32:540:32:58

become available from the deceased donor list.

0:32:580:33:01

There's great studies that show that overall,

0:33:010:33:04

50% of dialysis patients don't survive five years, so this is very

0:33:040:33:10

serious, and a kidney transplant can prolong life with decades.

0:33:100:33:14

Forget about the whole circus and focus on each other,

0:33:150:33:18

-and we will take care of the rest.

-OK.

-Yeah?

-Thank you.

-Excellent!

0:33:180:33:22

-See you round.

-See you later.

-Bye-bye.

0:33:220:33:25

I knew I wanted to be a donor.

0:33:270:33:28

There was never a second of doubt in my mind.

0:33:280:33:31

This is something I wanted to do.

0:33:310:33:33

We're both going to have an operation on the same day,

0:33:360:33:39

so it's quite nice to go through that together, I think.

0:33:390:33:42

They're a very close, tight little unit and just there for each other.

0:33:450:33:50

It's not like Elliot would have said to her, "Will you do this for me?"

0:33:500:33:54

It was just right away, "Right, I will give you my kidney,"

0:33:540:33:57

as anyone that you love would do.

0:33:570:34:00

Where's my dad?

0:34:020:34:04

OK, love you.

0:34:040:34:07

-Bye.

-Be good.

0:34:070:34:09

Love you.

0:34:110:34:13

-Tough, isn't it?

-JEN LAUGHS

0:34:130:34:15

You know, this is about him and this is saving his life.

0:34:210:34:24

I love you. Good luck.

0:34:260:34:29

His operation means a lot more to me than my operation,

0:34:290:34:32

because his HAS to be OK, it has to work, he needs that kidney to work.

0:34:320:34:37

And, Jennifer, what operation are we doing?

0:34:370:34:39

-Kidney transplant.

-So what operation are you having?

-A donor. Sorry.

0:34:390:34:43

-Can I just make the famous arrow...

-You can!

0:34:430:34:46

..so that you're still awake and still remember that we're going to

0:34:460:34:50

take your left kidney out?

0:34:500:34:51

As soon as Frank Dor harvests Jen's kidney,

0:34:530:34:56

an intricate chain of events will be set in motion.

0:34:560:34:59

I was unable to donate directly to him as I wasn't a blood type match.

0:34:590:35:04

And when I found out, that was devastating.

0:35:040:35:07

Jen's blood type means she can't donate directly to Elliot,

0:35:070:35:11

so the couple are taking part in a pioneering kidney-sharing scheme.

0:35:110:35:15

Jen will donate to someone else in the UK,

0:35:150:35:17

and Elliot actually gets a kidney from somewhere else in the UK.

0:35:170:35:22

She ensures he gets a kidney transplant.

0:35:220:35:27

Four times a year, a group of specialist renal centres,

0:35:270:35:30

including Hammersmith, unites in a kidney swap initiative

0:35:300:35:34

called Paired and Pooled.

0:35:340:35:35

So, I'll be co-ordinating for the day with my other colleagues

0:35:370:35:41

in the other centres and making sure

0:35:410:35:43

everything is OK with our donor recipient pair

0:35:430:35:47

and we're happy to proceed.

0:35:470:35:49

And everything has to happen at the same time, basically,

0:35:490:35:51

putting the patient to sleep at the same time and the operations

0:35:510:35:54

starting at the same time

0:35:540:35:56

and there's no problem, so we communicate constantly for the day.

0:35:560:36:01

Hoping that everything goes smoothly,

0:36:020:36:04

there's no last-minute cock-ups.

0:36:040:36:07

One mistake, you know, can screw up or mess up the whole thing.

0:36:070:36:10

All the pre-transplant work is anonymous.

0:36:110:36:16

For now, no-one knows to whom

0:36:160:36:19

he's donating and from whom she is receiving.

0:36:190:36:23

You know, to help improve someone else's life is really important,

0:36:250:36:29

having been through and seen how Elliot suffers.

0:36:290:36:32

No-one should be suffering like that.

0:36:320:36:34

For Jen to be able to do that for a complete stranger

0:36:340:36:39

is, you know, admirable.

0:36:390:36:40

OK, so are you happy for us to put our donor to sleep?

0:36:420:36:46

-Thank you. Bye.

-So it's a yes?

-Yes.

-Great. I'll get started!

0:36:490:36:54

-Good news! We can start!

-Oh, my God!

-Jennifer, squeeze my hand.

0:36:550:36:59

-I don't mind.

-He's really strong.

0:36:590:37:01

You'll feel a little bit light-headed.

0:37:010:37:03

We'll do some arm wrestling.

0:37:030:37:05

Hello! Are you OK? Do you know which room my patients are in?

0:37:180:37:21

Weight-loss patient Daniel is recovering from yesterday's

0:37:210:37:25

operation to reduce the size of his stomach.

0:37:250:37:27

Right, there he is. How are you?

0:37:270:37:29

-I'm good, thank you.

-Good to see you.

0:37:290:37:31

How about the drinks? Are they going down OK?

0:37:310:37:33

I've had a small mouthful,

0:37:330:37:35

and I think for one occasion it actually felt like it was too much.

0:37:350:37:38

So there's a feeling of fullness you're getting as part of

0:37:380:37:42

a consequence of the surgery we did.

0:37:420:37:44

When was the last meal you ate before the surgery? Sunday night?

0:37:440:37:47

It was Sunday night. It was around... It finished about 6:30.

0:37:470:37:52

-Do you feel hungry today?

-Not particularly.

-No.

0:37:520:37:55

So isn't that amazing? We went through all of Sunday night,

0:37:550:37:58

all of Monday, yesterday, with nothing to eat,

0:37:580:38:01

and then till now all you've been having is a bit of water and soup.

0:38:010:38:04

-Yeah.

-So for most of us, we'd be famished right now.

0:38:040:38:08

But the amazing thing is that you don't feel hungry,

0:38:080:38:10

-and that's the effect of the surgery.

-Yeah, yeah.

-OK?

-Definitely.

0:38:100:38:13

-Thank you.

-Take care. Bye-bye.

-Cheers. Right, thank you.

0:38:130:38:16

What, bring them in the private sector?

0:38:210:38:22

I didn't ask Daniel what he thought of the ward,

0:38:220:38:24

but he seems really happy.

0:38:240:38:26

Well, we'll see. At the moment, we have no beds on the NHS.

0:38:260:38:30

And this is one practical solution so that, you know,

0:38:300:38:34

my surgeons can do their work and we don't get any...

0:38:340:38:37

it'll minimise the cancellations.

0:38:370:38:39

So, this is a nice anatomy lesson, guys, for the students.

0:38:480:38:53

And of course, what you see is a bit magnified.

0:38:530:38:56

Transplant surgeon Frank Dor is about to remove Jen's healthy

0:38:560:39:00

kidney as part of a unique kidney swap scheme.

0:39:000:39:03

Can we zoom in there some? This is the kidney, still covered,

0:39:030:39:07

but you can see the shape of a kidney bean.

0:39:070:39:10

That's why it's a "kidney bean".

0:39:100:39:12

And it's a beautiful, beautiful kidney that we see.

0:39:120:39:15

And of course, it makes it beautiful because we know that

0:39:150:39:18

it's going to save Elliot's life.

0:39:180:39:21

I'm just going to expose the kidney. It's an operation with finesse.

0:39:250:39:31

And that's what's necessary. There is a small risk.

0:39:310:39:35

There is no operation without any risk. The risk of dying is about...

0:39:350:39:39

is reported to be one in 3,000.

0:39:390:39:41

If something goes wrong,

0:39:430:39:45

obviously - and I can't stress it enough - this is

0:39:450:39:47

a person that doesn't need this operation, and basically we

0:39:470:39:52

only can do things wrong, because she's perfect now, in good health.

0:39:520:39:57

I'm going to make a few small incisions in her.

0:39:570:39:59

That's going to change her body forever,

0:39:590:40:02

and of course she's taking some risk by having a vital organ removed.

0:40:020:40:07

So, the kidney is almost free.

0:40:070:40:09

Stapler ready?

0:40:100:40:12

-On...

-Shh, shh, shh. Please. Just let me think a second.

0:40:120:40:16

Staplers did not fire, and we have a thing there.

0:40:160:40:19

Can we please all be quiet? Sam, if you hold this...

0:40:220:40:26

OK, another stapler now. Scissors. Thank you. Just cut it.

0:40:320:40:39

Ahhh...

0:40:400:40:42

OK, kidney back. Nothing wrong with the kidney.

0:40:450:40:51

And nothing wrong with Jen, which is of course most important.

0:40:510:40:55

-OK.

-It's like delivering a newborn baby. That's how I see it!

0:40:550:40:59

This kidney's coming out, and we look at it and think,

0:40:590:41:01

"Wow, this is so brilliant."

0:41:010:41:03

Science has evolved, and eventually this is going to save

0:41:030:41:06

someone's life and give them a good quality of life.

0:41:060:41:08

So it's all exciting now.

0:41:080:41:10

OK, lights on.

0:41:100:41:12

It's a beautiful kidney, and you know it's going to change

0:41:120:41:16

someone's life in another centre, so that is a good feeling.

0:41:160:41:20

Jen's healthy kidney is one of many

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that have been harvested simultaneously across the country.

0:41:230:41:27

As hers is couriered to its recipient, her husband

0:41:290:41:32

Elliot's new kidney should now be on its way to Hammersmith.

0:41:320:41:35

Jennifer, you've got another bump coming.

0:41:370:41:42

I'm so proud of her as a mother.

0:41:440:41:45

I just think what she's doing is just incredible.

0:41:450:41:49

And you couldn't ask for a bigger

0:41:490:41:51

show of love, could you, to somebody?

0:41:510:41:53

-Stay asleep.

-You saved someone's life.

0:41:550:41:58

It's gone to a very good place.

0:41:580:42:00

Love you.

0:42:030:42:05

-Nearly there.

-Nearly there. One down, one to go.

0:42:050:42:09

-Go back to sleep. Rest.

-Yeah.

0:42:090:42:12

-INTERVIEWER:

-What's it like to see

0:42:120:42:14

your daughter-in-law give away a kidney for your son?

0:42:140:42:18

It's going to cost him a lot of Chanel handbags!

0:42:180:42:21

For sure!

0:42:210:42:22

-Your eyelashes look good.

-Mm.

0:42:240:42:27

Two people, two members of your closest family,

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to be operated on on the same day is just...

0:42:290:42:31

..really, really tough.

0:42:330:42:34

-All yours.

-Thank you.

-Perfect.

0:42:360:42:38

Elliot's new kidney arrives from its anonymous donor.

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If the transplant is a success,

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he will be able to come off dialysis immediately.

0:42:450:42:48

-PETER:

-Please, God, if the kidney works,

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then it'll be a new life for him.

0:42:550:42:57

See you. Love you.

0:42:590:43:02

See you later.

0:43:020:43:04

You can't really plan, you know, five, ten, fifteen years in advance.

0:43:040:43:09

You just have to take this one and live

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a completely normal life and hope it lasts a long time.

0:43:110:43:15

Elliot's operation will be performed

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by Imperial's head of renal surgery, Vassilios Papalois.

0:43:200:43:23

The kidney looks beautiful, actually, very nicely procured.

0:43:260:43:29

The anatomical structures have been protected,

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so this is a very good start.

0:43:320:43:34

The clock is ticking, and we cannot wait. We can't simply wait.

0:43:340:43:39

It's an amazing feeling,

0:43:390:43:41

I mean, to be able to help people that are in this very difficult

0:43:410:43:44

situation, and especially the living donor operation is

0:43:440:43:47

absolutely amazing, actually, because not the life of an

0:43:470:43:50

individual but the life of a whole family changes dramatically.

0:43:500:43:54

But it's equally important to remember that the kidney transplants

0:43:540:43:57

add years of life, as well.

0:43:570:44:00

So, we are basically ready to start. As you can see,

0:44:010:44:05

the kidney's grey because all the blood has been flushed out and

0:44:050:44:08

has been replaced by a very expensive preservation solution.

0:44:080:44:12

But it's a nice and healthy kidney.

0:44:120:44:15

You put your hand in here to protect the kidney.

0:44:150:44:18

Here.

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Must not go on the floor.

0:44:200:44:22

Quite soon we're going to be coming up to

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a fairly crucial part of the operation,

0:44:320:44:35

when we take off the clamps on the vessels which supply

0:44:350:44:39

the transplanted kidney and the transplanted kidney will

0:44:390:44:42

fill up with blood.

0:44:420:44:44

It's a miracle and it's happening in front of your eyes.

0:44:470:44:49

It's something that was practically dead,

0:44:490:44:51

an organ in an ice box without blood, and it's coming back to life.

0:44:510:44:55

You can see it start making urine. See that?

0:44:560:44:59

It's urine, it's already working.

0:45:010:45:04

That's the transplant section.

0:45:040:45:07

It looks good, actually. Nice and pink and both arteries are buzzing,

0:45:070:45:11

which is excellent news. I think it went very well, very pleased.

0:45:110:45:15

All I thought about was what it's going to be like, you know,

0:45:260:45:29

spending time with the kids normally, being able to go

0:45:290:45:32

swimming and all those things that you take for granted.

0:45:320:45:36

Elliot will be monitored closely over the next few days

0:45:410:45:44

to make sure his body doesn't reject the donor kidney.

0:45:440:45:47

It's a lovely morning today. The operation day.

0:45:570:46:00

I feel much better, had a good night rest.

0:46:020:46:04

This young lady here is my beloved wife, Marina.

0:46:060:46:09

Without her I don't think I would be where I am now.

0:46:090:46:12

It is quite excessive damage that he's done to his pelvis and

0:46:140:46:18

it'll be a while before he's better.

0:46:180:46:21

I'm sure he thought he was going to be up and about in

0:46:210:46:23

a couple of weeks, going back to his dancing and his cross-fit and

0:46:230:46:27

standing up ten hours a day at work.

0:46:270:46:31

I think the surgeon kind of made him realise that he won't be doing

0:46:310:46:35

a lot of that stuff for maybe a year.

0:46:350:46:38

The problem will be probably when I get him home, but then

0:46:380:46:41

hopefully his mother will come and she'll look after him at home

0:46:410:46:44

and I'll just be out of the house working all day!

0:46:440:46:47

See you later. Thank you.

0:46:490:46:52

Two days after the operation to repair his shattered pelvis

0:46:520:46:55

was postponed, Reno is finally called to theatre.

0:46:550:46:59

This is a very bad injury.

0:47:180:47:19

You can see the number of fragments that we're now dealing with.

0:47:210:47:25

There is one assistant who is pulling on the leg,

0:47:320:47:35

which is actually one of the most important jobs.

0:47:350:47:39

It helps the surgeon to hold the fracture in the position

0:47:390:47:44

he wants it.

0:47:440:47:46

Then, once we've worked out how it's all going to go back together again,

0:47:460:47:49

the next stage of the operation is trying to hold it there

0:47:490:47:53

with plates and screws.

0:47:530:47:54

Screwdriver, please.

0:48:000:48:03

That's fantastic, that looks great.

0:48:030:48:05

It's reconstituted his socket, which was just in pieces earlier.

0:48:050:48:10

We're now going to close up.

0:48:140:48:16

And we're done so, you know, this guy's got his operation. Brilliant.

0:48:160:48:21

-So, shall we go and see her?

-Yes.

0:48:320:48:35

Good morning, very nice to see you again.

0:48:360:48:38

How are you feeling this morning?

0:48:380:48:40

Yes, I'm not surprised you feel a little ropey.

0:48:440:48:46

Betty has spent the past three days recovering from her bowel

0:48:460:48:49

cancer surgery on a high-dependency ward.

0:48:490:48:53

It's very important to sit you out of bed and to get you out and

0:48:530:48:55

moving and to get you breathing deeply, OK?

0:48:550:48:58

We'll keep a very close eye on you.

0:48:580:48:59

-All right, bye-bye.

-Thank you.

0:48:590:49:02

She's obviously had her confidence hit a bit, which is perfectly

0:49:020:49:05

natural, perfectly expected, given the circumstances.

0:49:050:49:08

So I'm trying to build up that confidence and try to get

0:49:080:49:11

into her head that she's going to be going home after the weekend.

0:49:110:49:14

I think that's probably roughly when she'll be fit.

0:49:140:49:17

We think it's going to be the middle of next week.

0:49:190:49:23

It seemed pretty fast to us,

0:49:230:49:25

but she's got a good support network,

0:49:250:49:28

so someone will always be with her once she does come home.

0:49:280:49:32

Good morning, Jen.

0:50:190:50:21

-Hi.

-Good morning.

-Good morning. Sleeping in today?

0:50:220:50:25

Elliot and his wife Jen are recovering well,

0:50:270:50:30

following their respective kidney operations.

0:50:300:50:33

People probably think you've done an amazing thing, I hope.

0:50:330:50:38

I don't know about that but just making sure Ell was OK.

0:50:380:50:41

I was in contact with the transplant surgeon in the other centre

0:50:410:50:44

-yesterday...

-Yeah.

0:50:440:50:45

..and even up till late in the evening we texted each other.

0:50:450:50:49

-Good.

-So he was very happy with your kidney.

0:50:490:50:53

-And your kidney turned out to be a perfect match.

-Oh, my God!

0:50:530:50:58

So this is a one-off event.

0:50:580:50:59

-Oh, I'm really happy to hear that!

-Yeah?

0:50:590:51:02

That's what I thought.

0:51:020:51:03

-Really happy.

-Yeah.

0:51:030:51:04

OK, good.

0:51:040:51:05

She is not a patient. I normally don't call live donors a patient.

0:51:050:51:11

She is healthy, she comes in, she feels a bit worse, of course,

0:51:110:51:15

afterwards, by having one kidney and having had an operation

0:51:150:51:18

that she didn't need.

0:51:180:51:20

The most important thing is that Jen can live with one kidney

0:51:200:51:23

for the rest of her life,

0:51:230:51:25

and we know that there is a slight increased risk

0:51:250:51:28

for getting end-stage renal disease herself.

0:51:280:51:32

However, if we do a thorough follow-up

0:51:320:51:35

and act upon things that arise early,

0:51:350:51:37

we may actually provide her a very safe and healthy life.

0:51:370:51:41

Bye-bye, dear. See you very soon.

0:51:410:51:44

Last year, there were over 1,000 living kidney donations in the UK.

0:51:440:51:48

Frank wants live donors like Jen

0:51:480:51:50

to be able to go to the top of the transplant waiting list

0:51:500:51:54

should they themselves experience kidney failure in the future.

0:51:540:51:58

So, thanks to be able to present on

0:51:580:52:01

an issue related to live kidney donation.

0:52:010:52:03

This is more a general ethical issue

0:52:030:52:07

or dilemma that I'm facing actually every day.

0:52:070:52:10

He brings the issue to Imperial's ethics committee.

0:52:100:52:13

Consisting of staff volunteers and members of the public,

0:52:130:52:17

it meets once a month to review and debate the moral

0:52:170:52:20

and ethical implications of the Trust's work.

0:52:200:52:23

None of these people are actually involved in my field of expertise,

0:52:230:52:27

and represent the broader public, actually,

0:52:270:52:31

rather than just me talking to my colleagues,

0:52:310:52:33

who might, you know, think more like me.

0:52:330:52:37

First, I need to tell you that live kidney donation

0:52:370:52:41

for the recipient, if you get a transplant from a live kidney donor,

0:52:410:52:45

gives the best outcome, and it is spectacular.

0:52:450:52:49

If this were cancer it would be Nobel-prize winning, I'm sure.

0:52:490:52:53

So I think our duty as people who take out kidneys

0:52:530:52:58

for the benefit of others goes for the rest of their lives,

0:52:580:53:02

and that's why I think we have some obligation, at least,

0:53:020:53:07

to give them at least perhaps some priority, even, if I think about it.

0:53:070:53:11

Um... I'm quite conflicted

0:53:110:53:14

because I had a live kidney donor, who's my brother,

0:53:140:53:16

and of course on a human level I'd like to say, fantastic,

0:53:160:53:19

if he suffers renal failure late in life

0:53:190:53:21

he should get preference cos he's done such a wonderful thing.

0:53:210:53:24

The truth is we don't give priority to anybody,

0:53:240:53:27

but the reality is,

0:53:270:53:29

if we are to give live donors a bonus number of points,

0:53:290:53:34

how do you set that and who do you disadvantage?

0:53:340:53:37

Even though I really want to see my brother have that priority,

0:53:370:53:42

I'm really not sure that...that I can ethically, morally justify it.

0:53:420:53:49

I'm very mindful of your relationship with these live donors,

0:53:490:53:55

but I do take very seriously the idea of introducing value judgments.

0:53:550:54:01

If you introduce value judgments, where does that stop?

0:54:010:54:05

However admirable it is to donate a kidney,

0:54:050:54:09

what you potentially describe sounds like an unequal two-tiered system.

0:54:090:54:14

We do not treat people differently whether they're policemen,

0:54:140:54:17

a fireman, a drug dealer, a child - it doesn't work like that.

0:54:170:54:21

Everybody receives care equally

0:54:210:54:23

and that's how the NHS has sort of evolved and worked to function.

0:54:230:54:27

I think every time you have an ethical discussion,

0:54:270:54:30

especially in a broader group,

0:54:300:54:32

it helps you enormously.

0:54:320:54:34

At least you can bring these dilemmas that you're facing

0:54:340:54:37

every day in your job to the table.

0:54:370:54:39

No-one is saying, "Oh, you're doing it wrong,"

0:54:390:54:41

or, "You have the wrong opinion,"

0:54:410:54:43

because everyone is giving an opinion.

0:54:430:54:46

And it might be a consensus but it might not be a consensus,

0:54:460:54:49

so it's just giving me input. That's really great.

0:54:490:54:53

I've never come down this way until the morning of the operation.

0:54:590:55:03

-Hi!

-How are you?

-I'm fine.

-Good to see you.

-How are you? I'm good.

0:55:080:55:13

-How are you?

-Very well.

-Hi.

-Alex.

0:55:130:55:16

The day I came out of hospital

0:55:160:55:19

felt like the world had lifted off our shoulders, instantly.

0:55:190:55:22

-So, you look well, but how do you feel?

-I feel well.

0:55:220:55:25

-I feel really good.

-Would you do it again?

-Yes, I would.

0:55:250:55:28

-Unfortunately, we can't.

-No! Thank God for that!

0:55:280:55:31

-Have you needed dialysis?

-No. No dialysis,

0:55:310:55:35

so I can now have a shower,

0:55:350:55:37

I can go swimming, I can do normal things again.

0:55:370:55:40

But having lived quite a restricted life for such a long time,

0:55:400:55:44

I feel like a new person now.

0:55:440:55:47

It means so much to us that not only

0:55:470:55:49

did you get fixed, but someone else has got fixed as well.

0:55:490:55:53

-Happy?

-Very.

-Very.

-Very, very happy.

0:55:530:55:57

Yeah, it shows.

0:55:570:56:00

-So see you around!

-Thank you very much.

-Ah!

-Good man.

0:56:000:56:03

-Hi, Betty. How are you?

-Hello!

0:56:110:56:14

-How are you feeling?

-Not too bad, thank you.

0:56:140:56:17

11 days after her operation, Betty is well enough to go home.

0:56:170:56:21

-I just wanted a chat about your results, which we got back.

-Oh, good.

0:56:210:56:25

-It's not as dramatic as it might feel at the moment.

-Yeah.

0:56:250:56:30

It's all good news. The general consensus is that you don't need any more treatment.

0:56:300:56:34

-Oh!

-It's all done.

-Fantastic!

-OK?

-All your good work. Thank you!

0:56:340:56:39

It's a pleasure.

0:56:390:56:40

-So, in actual fact, we probably don't need to follow up the cancer at all.

-Oh!

0:56:400:56:45

-It's probably...it's probably gone.

-Yes.

-We're very pleased.

0:56:450:56:50

-Hopefully you are, too.

-I am very, very pleased.

0:56:500:56:53

-What can I say but thank you?

-It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure.

0:56:530:56:56

You don't need to thank me at all.

0:56:560:56:59

It's my pleasure.

0:56:590:57:01

-I'll see you soon. I'll see you in four weeks.

-Thank you.

0:57:010:57:04

It's so difficult to find the words to say thank you,

0:57:080:57:13

cos there aren't enough words, and he...

0:57:130:57:19

I just love him, anyway!

0:57:190:57:22

Across the six weeks you've been here, I think you will have seen

0:57:240:57:29

the absolute best of us, and the worst of us at times.

0:57:290:57:34

And I think it's really important that the public and our patients

0:57:350:57:40

can see how hard we work to really try and make it right.

0:57:400:57:45

I think there needs to be a shift in the expectation

0:57:450:57:49

of what people want the NHS to deliver,

0:57:490:57:52

because you can't keep on pulling and pulling on this system.

0:57:520:57:57

We're all a bit tired,

0:57:570:58:00

and we all have to dig deep within at times

0:58:000:58:03

to find that extra bit of strength.

0:58:030:58:06

And, you know, we're all only humans at the end of it, aren't we?

0:58:060:58:10

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0:58:120:58:14

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0:58:140:58:17

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