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'Les Dawson is a legend in British comedy. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
'He brought laughter to the living rooms of Britain | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
-'for 25 years.' -I said, "Have you got anything cheaper?" He said, "Yes, you're wearing it". | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
'He seemed an overnight success, but where did he come from | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
'and what made his comedy so special?' | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
It's very sophisticated. It's the finest kind of comedy. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
The rays of the hot August sun were filtering through the stained-glass windows in the medieval chapel, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:32 | |
highlighting the antiquity of the Saxon altar and glinting on her father's rifle. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
If you can get tap dancers at 14 and a half stone to join me, by all means. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
His brand of humour was completely unique. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
What's up? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
He pretty much mastered every single form of comedy. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
It's quite easy to play the piano badly and not be funny. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
Ding, ding. Er... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
He's just got the iconic face. He's the seaside postcard face. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
I think some of us younger people did muddle him up with John Prescott for a while. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
He was a master of the mother-in-law jokes. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
He used to prowl round the house like a sort of warthog | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
with a face like a bag of spanners. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
-Well, I can't wait to introduce you to Les Dawson! -APPLAUSE | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
I'd like to play the piano for you. I was going to play you something from Mozart | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
-but I won't because he never plays any of mine. -LAUGHTER | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
So instead, if I may, I'd like to play for you a very moving composition | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
-written by Beethoven's eldest brother, Sid... -LAUGHTER | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
..as he lay tragically dying. Thank you. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
# And then they told me that I'd have to go | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
'It's 1967 | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
'and a new comedy star is born. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
'Les Dawson seemed an overnight success, but at the age of 38, he had served his time.' | 0:02:23 | 0:02:29 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
'Les Dawson was born in 1931. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
'He had a hard upbringing in Collyhurst in Manchester. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
'The experience gave him a connection with countless families | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
'and a reservoir of comedy material that would last a lifetime.' | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
The hardy folk who lived in this working-class enclave of Manchester | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
were the very salt of the earth. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
Proud people. They all had one possession they shared. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Poverty. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
I would say that poverty informed everything. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
There were seven of them in the house where he was first brought up | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
and I think that then led through to many, many things. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
Even the mother-in-law thing, that comes as a result of that, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
the working classes living with the mother-in-law, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
and father-in-law sometimes, but often the mother outlived the father. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
It all stems from a lack of finance. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
He was, erm, an autodidact as they say. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
He was self-educated. But he had a great deal of information | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
and he processed it very, very intelligently. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
I don't want to sound condescending, but he was a very smart guy. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
'Young Les grew up with a fascination for words and a flare for music, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
'talents that would eventually help make him a household name for millions of TV viewers. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
'But not skills that count for much on the streets of Collyhurst.' | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
To some degree, he had to shield it from his mates | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
and he said once, "If you're walking round Collyhurst | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
"with a volume of TS Eliot, you'd be thought to be a sissy." | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
I used to box cos all the family was sporting, my father used to putt the shot. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
He was in line for the Olympics until they saw where he was putting it. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
But I boxed like all the kids did. I wasn't very good. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
I was carried out of the ring so often, I had handles sewn on my shorts. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
'Les's first ambition was to be a writer, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
'but as he settled into family life, he took any job to make ends meet. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
'All the time working up an act on the stages of the working men's clubs in the north of England, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
'something that did command respect if not much money. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
'It was a time when music and entertainment were being revolutionised in London. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
'A new style of comedy was on the horizon. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
'But even they admired the tradition of the northern comics.' | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
And I'll tell you the interesting fact about the Arab. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
The interesting fact about the Arab is he can go for a whole year, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
he can go for a whole year on one grain of rice. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Peter Cook made a huge impact in the late 50s. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
-A whole year on one grain of rice? -No. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
And after Peter, that tradition began to develop | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
and a lot of people in '63 finished up in show business | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
because they were in the Footlights Revue | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and we all had an enormous affection for music hall. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
We loved the medium and we thought there was some extraordinarily funny and talented people | 0:05:27 | 0:05:34 | |
working in music hall | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
and of course, latterly, working in the working men's clubs, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
which were almost a northern phenomenon. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
And a lot of the work, like work everywhere, was pretty cliche, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
but the best work was absolutely wonderful. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
'Les had become well-known on the club circuit | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
'and even made overtures to the BBC emphasising not his comic but his musical ability.' | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
He wrote for his first audition at the BBC in Manchester in 1953 | 0:06:02 | 0:06:08 | |
and he had his first audition in 1954 | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and the audition slip says, "Badly out of tune, no use for broadcasting." | 0:06:11 | 0:06:19 | |
Because at that time, he was more a singer and a comedian than a comedian. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
And he sang, basically, straight. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
'Les's career was going nowhere. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
'He'd been tried out on regional television in 1962 on the long-lost Saturday Bandbox, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
'but in 1967 he was still selling vacuum cleaners. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
'His wife Meg had had enough. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
'Les had one last chance.' | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Opportunity Knocks! | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
If you said to a professional, "Why don't you go on Opportunity Knocks?" they would probably hit you. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
Which is exactly what Meg said to Les at that time. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
"You've got so far, you can get no further, you've got to move on | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
"and the only way you're going to move on is if you do this show, Opportunity Knocks, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
"and I've filled the form in." And he was very upset about that. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Welcome to Opportunity Knocks, your talent show, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
the programme in which you make the stars | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
and in which every one of the artists appearing have the professional backing | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
of Bob Sharples and the orchestra. Let's meet them. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
A lot of them didn't want their acts on television. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
You know? Cos then it was gone, people had seen it. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
And I remember seeing a wonderfully funny guy at the Wakefield Club | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
when Python was shooting near Wakefield. He was absolutely wonderful. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
And he didn't want to go anywhere near television because then he'd blown his act. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
Remember, it is your vote that can indeed send them forward, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
not just to next week's show but to fame and fortune | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
in the strange old business called show business. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
'Unfortunately, the recording of Les on Opportunity Knocks has not survived. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
'We know he was a hit with the audience, although he didn't win the postcard vote of the public. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
'But it was enough to kick-start his television career.' | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
-And here he is tonight, Les Dawson. -APPLAUSE | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
I'd hesitate to use the phrase Beauty and the Beast, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
because he wasn't beastly by any stretch of the imagination. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
It was the glamour and the antidote to glamour. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
It was a good combination. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
# Just give up, it's not worthwhile, there's nothing you can do | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
# The other day I forced a smile and cracked my lips in two | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
# Just pretend you're bright and gay | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
# I don't believe a word I say | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
BOTH: # Then I'll feel much worse | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
The huge advantage was that the stand-ups were cheap | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
because they didn't require sets, they didn't require other actors or any acting | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
and they brought their own script, so suddenly one saw a lot of guys from the clubs on television | 0:08:58 | 0:09:05 | |
and then it seemed to grow and grow and grow. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
HE PLAYS PIANO BADLY | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
The best combination I think there ever was with Les | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
was with Shirley Bassey, who could be difficult. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
And he had a licence to undermine her, and she loved it. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
-I told you to stay in the truck. -LAUGHTER | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Your fan club's just arrived. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
They parked the tandem. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
That's what I love about your show, you're a laugh an hour, Shirley. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-That's one more than you, pal. -LAUGHTER | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
'Les Dawson would never sell another vacuum cleaner. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
'It was a time when variety was the spice of evening entertainment on television's three channels. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:06 | |
'Les had a 25-year career ahead | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
'and many more funny faces to share with us. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
'He thought himself a musician, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
'but he found many more ways to make us laugh. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
'The first face is deadpan. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
'He was a master of the short, pithy gag.' | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
I remember the day I met Agnes so well, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
I was sat in my office, the curtains were drawn but the rest of the furniture was real. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
"Did you see who took my coat?" He said, "I saw him". | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
"What did he look like?" "Ridiculous, the sleeves were too short." | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
He pointed to a bottle on the shelf. He said, "Do me a sample in there" I said, "From down here?" | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
-LAUGHTER -He just had routines. One sticks in my mind. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
He was thirsty or something and he went and knocked on the door of a house and a woman comes out, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
I remember he said she had a face like a bag of chisels. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
And he said to her, "Do you think the woman next door would give me a glass of water?" | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
It's very sophisticated. You know what I mean? | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
-I bought some bananas once and when I peeled them, they were empty. -LAUGHTER | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
He's always outside the joke looking in, laughing at its construction, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
sneering at it as he tells it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
He never does the one-liner and sells it and goes, "This is the best joke I've got." | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Good evening. Yes, our subject tonight is entertainment. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
A word formed from the Latin route "enter" which means come in | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
and "tainment" which means give us your money. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
He's outside the joke. That's why people misread the mother-in-law thing. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
'And the mother-in-law was a big thing for Les Dawson.' | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
As soon as I heard the knock on the front door, I knew damn well it was her | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
because the mice were throwing themselves on the traps. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
I kept getting this hideous recurrent nightmare that I was an old sports car | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
and the wife's mother had her foot on my throttle. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
I wouldn't say the mother-in-law's got a big mouth, but she can eat a banana sideways. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
Maybe 90 percent of them were very, very clever jokes. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
They weren't laughing at the mother-in-law. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
They were, again, word play and imagery. Things like the mice threw themselves on the traps. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
And my favourite Les Dawson joke was about him... | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
He was at the pub and there were six blokes punching the mother-in-law. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
One of my neighbours said, "Are you going to help?" I said, "No, six of them should be enough." | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
A politically incorrect joke now, but still very funny. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
I got one decent photograph of that woman. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
It must have been taken with a high-speed camera because it's the only one with her mouth shut. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
Do you think you spend rather too much time upsetting women with your mother-in-law jokes? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
No, no. I get on very well with my wife's mother. Fabulous. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
We always go to Ireland to see her. She lives in Birmingham but she looks better from Ireland. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
Do you get lots of mother-in-laws coming up to you saying, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
-"Hey, you're giving us a bad name"? -Nonsense, no. They take it in good part. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
Every time my show comes on the box, everybody's sat in front of their sets in case someone switches it on. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:53 | |
Normal functioning human beings can pick up when there's nastiness at the core. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
The reason Les Dawson is loved is because it was never malicious, there was no misogyny. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
Yes, it's uncomfortable for 80s feminists, it piggybacks on traditional misogynistic views, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:09 | |
but again, his ironic way of laughing at his own material | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
and his telling of it kind of undercuts it. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
He's fighting upwards, so it's actually an authority figure. The gender's irrelevant. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
It's like any comedy now. Any comedy is often a fight against an authority figure, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
whether you're mocking the police or mocking the government, anybody that's supposedly above you. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
And that's what it boiled down to. It was what had evolved as an authority figure within society, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:38 | |
within that level of society, they were fair game and fair target. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
You don't have to be a nice guy to be a comedian | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
and there are plenty who aren't, but with Les Dawson, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
you don't need to know biography, it's all there. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
You can tell he's a nice guy just by the way he stands on that stage. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
I just had some bad news. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
-Tomorrow it's the mother-in-law's funeral. -LAUGHTER | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
-And she's cancelled it. -LAUGHTER | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
You think it's a compliment, really. Because if you make fun of somebody | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
in public, it's usually a tribute to them, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
and I remember when his mother-in-law did die, he stopped, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
and his first wife sadly died, he stopped doing wife jokes and mother-in-law jokes. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
The wife and I stood at the altar. The vicar looked at the size of the wife, he looked at me, he said, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
"Do you take this woman or will you have her delivered?" | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
And he got all these letters from the BBC, all the mother-in-laws were writing, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
"Why don't you do the jokes anymore about us, Les? We like them." | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
And I think, even now when I meet people, they go, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
"Oh, gosh, he was a master of the mother-in-law jokes." | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
If that wasn't bad enough, after 15 years of complete bliss, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
the wife ran away with the fella next door. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
-Oh, and I do miss him. -LAUGHTER | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
'For all that people love Les Dawson's one-liners, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
'he personally loved the long, rambling monologues, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
'full of florid language.' | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Loquacious lugubriousness | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
in extremis, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
the one and only Mr Les Dawson! | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Firstly I must apologise about my appearance. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Owing to a slight financial hiatus, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
I could not afford a ticket to travel here tonight by steam locomotion. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
-LAUGHTER -I had to walk it. -AUDIENCE: Aww! | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
A journey, my friends, best described | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
as a stroll on the very perimeter of Hades itself. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Fingers of cold mountain mist curled in treacher around my stout gaiters. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:02 | |
-LAUGHTER -As I toiled heavily across the bleak plateau of the mountain range, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:09 | |
a sullen biting wind blew the snow flurries into a maddened fandango of white-flake fury. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Les had a hard time in the clubs because he was doing a very subtle act | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
and relying on the audience trusting him all the way to the punchline. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:29 | |
And all the other pros said, "No, don't give up, you're the only one doing this." | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
Because they knew that the moment he hit telly properly, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
the camera would just focus on that | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
and the audience would be able to concentrate on the lines, the words, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:46 | |
and it was TV then that made him. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
Crying sanctuary through cracked lips | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
-I lurched forward and banged painfully on the door. -LAUGHTER | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
The door opened to reveal the most enchanting little girl that I've ever seen. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
If you look at his poetic jokes, it's a long poetic thing, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
very, very clever, obviously very intelligent man, weaving words, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
and then just undercut, completely undercut. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
There's his great joke about, "I looked up at the sky and it looked like black velvet | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
"carelessly strewn with glitter and then I thought, "I must put a roof on this lavatory." | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
So very funny and very well delivered, but it was almost like, "I'm sorry for being that clever." | 0:17:22 | 0:17:29 | |
I reeled inwardly at the perfidy of parents who could abandon such a delightful waif, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
leave this child alone in such a small, cramped, gloomy house, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
in the teeth of a ferocious storm in this mist of desolation. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
THEY JEER | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
I could contain myself no longer. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Sinking to my knees, I grasped the child to my snow-powdered cape. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
I said "Fear not, my child, elfin creature of pure delight!" | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
This permission to be outside your own material and to do a face that throws away the joke, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
that was quite cutting edge, really, to be that laidback and to not care about your punchline, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
but care about it, if you know what I mean. That, to me, is quite edgy stuff technique-wise. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
"Fear not, for you are no longer alone." | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
And she grasped her rag dolly very close to her little pinafore and she said, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
-"It's not the house, it's the lavatory." -LAUGHTER | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
In television terms, he came right through the glass and people at home really...related to him | 0:18:36 | 0:18:42 | |
because he was genuine, he looked genuine. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
And, of course, his brand of humour was completely unique. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
It was Les humour. He wasn't doing the jokes. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
Like, the comedians at that time would do jokes. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
Fantastic. But each comic could do another comic's jokes. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
Nobody could do Les. Les's routine was totally and utterly original. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:11 | |
'Snappy one-liners, long, rambling monologues. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
'As a stand-up, Les Dawson was in constant demand as a guest. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
'But within a year of appearing on Opportunity Knocks, he had his own show on ITV, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
'Sez Les. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
'Les loved the glamour of a smart dinner jacket in the spotlight, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
'but television expected more in its variety shows. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
'It wanted sketches. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
'So our next face of Les Dawson is in costume, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
'playing dramatic scenes with actors.' | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
You see Dave Allen and he's very happy sitting on his stool telling stories and jokes | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
and that's what he does. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
And you see Les Dawson and he's at the piano or he's just doing his stand-up, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
and then because it's suddenly half an hour on BBC, 45 minutes, whatever, with a few songs, | 0:19:55 | 0:20:01 | |
you have to pad it out with sketches | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
and they will sometimes be of varying quality. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
He wasn't a brilliant comic actor. That's all right, neither was Peter Cook. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
'The sketches shone a harsh light on Les. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
'Guest stars like David Jason were a welcome distraction.' | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Thripson, what do you call this? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
It appears to be one of our, er, tiger cubs, sir. Indian tiger cub, that one, sir, yes. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
I think we both agree that it's not its normal, frisky self this morning. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
Er, yes. Yes, sir. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
And we both know why that is, don't we, Thripson? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
He's been stuffed. LAUGHTER | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Exactly. Who stuffed it? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
I did, sir. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Thripson, how long have you worked as a keeper at this zoo? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Oh, er, ooh, er... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Er... It's, er... Four and half weeks, sir. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
And during that time, you've managed to stuff | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
19 lions, eight leopards, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
45 Masai giraffes, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
24 New World monkeys, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
-a Polynesian hermit crab... -LAUGHTER | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
-..and a hippopotamus. -LAUGHTER | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Why, Thripson? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
I want to be a taxidermist, sir. LAUGHTER | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
In Les's autobiographies, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
he acknowledges the varying quality of Sez Les and The Dawson Watch. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:40 | |
He says, "The press slated us, and looking back, they were probably right to". | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
But there are some moments of brilliance that are within them. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Good morning. I hope I haven't kept you waiting. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
-I've only just arrived. -Ah, good. Now, you're Mr Fippsby | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
and you've come about the job in accountancy. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
That's right. Fippsby with two Ps. Yes, I have indeed. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
I took to him and he took to me. I think we liked each other instinctively. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
But I think we were also fascinated that we came from such different traditions. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
That's the spirit! Oh, I see we're going to get on. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
-Now, help yourself to a cup of coffee. -There are three cups. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
That's right. And one of them has got just the teensy-weensiest little pinch of cyanide in it. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
-Go on, pick a cup. -Which one's got the cyanide? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
I don't know, do I? It'd spoil the fun! Come on, don't be a scaredy cat! | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
All right, then. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Tell me, is there much cyanide in the coffee? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
No, just a pinch. Mind you, it's enough to kill 150 elephants. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Let's not forget, it's a very, very odd pairing. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Thinking about it now, it's an odd pairing, but at the time, that was post-Monty Python for Cleese | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
and pre-Fawlty Towers. The only thing he did in between was Les Dawson's show. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
And he was excited about it, Cleese was excited about it because he was like, "This is just ridiculous! | 0:23:01 | 0:23:07 | |
"We're so different! How can that not be interesting?" And the same for Dawson. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
Dawson said, "We're physically different" which was the thing they played on a lot. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
I was fascinated because he had a wonderful vocabulary, as you know. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
He was extremely articulate with a very wide and rich vocabulary of slightly unusual words | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
and I think he was intrigued by me coming from a sort of Cambridge background | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
and being a bit logical and a bit analytical about stuff. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
-Dawson. -Sir! -I want you to go through the boggy morass over there and take a message to HQ. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
The boggy morass, sir? You're sending me to certain death! | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
-This is a very important message, Dawson! It's got to get through! -Yes, sir! What's the message? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
The message is, "Am on my own now. Have just lost Dawson in the boggy morass." | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Stand-up is quite separate from sketches, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
and it's quite possible for one person to be very good at one and not very good at the other. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
But you can learn the other and in my case, I came from the Footlights where I did a couple of monologues, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:13 | |
but almost everything I did in the Footlights and subsequently was sketches, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
two-handers and three-handers in which you played characters, not yourself. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
Hello there. Have you got any dirty books? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
Yeah, what do you want? LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
And it was very pleasurable. I remember the atmosphere being more relaxed than in London. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
It's the waiting the drives you mad, you know that, Dawson? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Waiting, waiting. Always. Always waiting, nothing ever happens, drives you mad. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
HE WEEPS | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
Do you hear me, Dawson? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
HE WAILS | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
A whole life waiting! I can't stand it! | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
HE WAILS I can't stand it anymore! | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
HE WAILS | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
-Carry on, Dawson! -Yes, sir. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-It's the waiting that gets you down! It gets hold of you! -LAUGHTER | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
-HE SOBS -And it drives you insane! | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
'Comedy situations and dialogue are a long way from the funny man in the spotlight on a club stage | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
'and it gave Les the chance to develop regular characters who would come back time and again, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
'many of them inspired by his own comedy heroes from the 40s and 50s.' | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
Here, mate, you got a spare cigar? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
-Yes, thank you! -HE CHUCKLES | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
'Sez Les went for 11 series on ITV | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
'before Les accepted an offer to transfer to the BBC. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
'He developed favourite characters who ran for years, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
'transferring with him to The Les Dawson Show. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
'Cosmo Smallpiece was, for modern tastes, controversial, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
'a lecherous individual whose lustful excesses could be triggered by the slightest innuendo.' | 0:26:23 | 0:26:29 | |
-Oh. -I'm asking the average man in the street what you know about coupling rods, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
distributor shafts and big ends. LAUGHTER | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
-And cams. -Ooh, cami knickers! | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
-And rear chassis. -Rear chassis, bounce up and down! -And bumpers. -Ooh, jelly on a plate! | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
Come here! No, no, no, no, don't leave me! | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
He justified it to the end. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
He said he had a rule that Cosmo, for all his leching and leering, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:56 | |
must never, ever touch a girl, that there must never be physical contact. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
My studio guest this evening is the very lovely Miss Vanda Delmar, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
the Swedish smouldering sex symbol, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
the star of the recent hit movie A Prank In The Sauna Bath. Good evening. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
-Hello, darling. -Ooooh. -LAUGHTER | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
The question that most... | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
..most viewers would like to ask you, and so would I, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
is that all you? Eh? Is that all you? You're stacked! Want a bit of rumpo? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
It's almost not even politically incorrect because it's just ridiculous. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
It's just absolutely ridiculous. And that's why it's funny. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
It's never funny because of the sexual connotation. That's not what's funny about it at all. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
It's funny because he's such a ridiculous, ludicrous man. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
'Les needed writers to create the volume of material demanded by weekly shows. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
'As time went by, he centred on one or two | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
'and they tuned into his style of comedy.' | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
-It's a tricky business, this acupuncture. -LAUGHTER | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
Television soaks up material. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
In the past, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
somebody could get an act together in the theatre | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
and they could do the same act every night for about two years. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Television... Every time you go on television, you want new material. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
If you're putting six half-hour shows on, three hours comedy, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:25 | |
you need help writing and this is where your scriptwriter comes in. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
I must get it right. Must get it right! | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
I think I did about two thirds of it and Les did the rest. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Though, er... | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
I had a lot more time to do it than Les did. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
That was my job. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
'His best-remembered characters are Cissy and Ada, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
'which he performed in partnership with Roy Barraclough. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
'They were perfectly drawn caricatures of a certain kind of northern woman.' | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
I used to love doing Cissy and Ada because I knew people like that. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
I was virtually the same age as Les | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
and although he grew up in Collyhurst in Manchester | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
and I grew up in a small town on the Derbyshire/Cheshire border, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
it was a mill town and there were the same characters | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
and it was easy for me to write them and I enjoyed doing it. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
You can't take you anywhere! | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
-I nearly had a flush. -I know. -LAUGHTER | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Oh, I say, Ada, the magic of travel. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
Ada, look at all these lovely places. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
New Guinea, New Jersey, New York, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
New Zealand. Where do you want to go, chuck? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
-New Brighton! -LAUGHTER | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
We've gone there for 22 years to Elsie Gartside's. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
She keeps a lovely table. She doesn't charge extra for the cruet. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
We always use the terrine for the soup. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
She's spotless, she changes the bed every day. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
-She's had new oilcloth put down in the lobby. -LAUGHTER | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
And on the landing, she's got it all done now in that beautiful Anaglypta in burnt sienna. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
-LAUGHTER -And in the dining room near those pot mallards | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
she got from that shop in Bogna, there's a beautiful muriel on the wall. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
-LAUGHTER -The death of Lysander in Dulux. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
-LAUGHTER -I really don't know why I waste my time with you, Ada, I really don't. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
Of course, Roy had played dame for donkey's years, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
so he's got that female thing, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
but Les's hero was Norman Evans. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Who's thrown that through my window there? | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Lee Scofield? I'll bat your earhole! | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Of course, Norman was always a dame over the garden wall, his character was a dame. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
So if you look at Cissy and Ada, you're actually looking at Les doing Norman Evans in a very strange way. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:47 | |
I haven't been well myself because... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
Have you? Ooh. Do you mean, erm... | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
The mouthing, they call it. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
It's the way women talked | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
years and years ago | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
and it stemmed from when they worked in the cotton mills | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
and they couldn't hear themselves talk above the noise, so they mouthed everything. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
And this sort of spread into the general conversation | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
and they used it when they wanted to talk about taboo subjects | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
like, you know... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
-Woman's trouble. -LAUGHTER | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Well, I went to see him in court and that's when I really... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
-I mean, he's... -At the time, he made that his own | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
to the point where Cissy and Ada is synonymous with Les Dawson now. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
It's not Norman Evans. But it's certainly where the roots come, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
and Roy and Les both acknowledge that openly. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
Tell me something, chuck. When you went to Blackpool for your honeymoon, were you... | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
This is girl talk really. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
-LAUGHTER -Were you virgo intacto? | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
No, it was just bed and breakfast. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
'We've seen how Les Dawson was a master of one-liners | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
'and of long, poetic stories. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
'We've seen how he learned to write funny dialogue with other writers | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
'and create characters audiences love. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
'But there was something about Les that was just...funny. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
'He was a master of gurning faces and physical comedy. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
'He could make an audience laugh without speaking at all.' | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
He's just got the iconic face. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
He is the seaside postcard face before you realise the seaside postcards come first. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
Some of us younger people did muddle him up with John Prescott for a while. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
He was a great wordsmith, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
but he also loved visual humour, physical humour. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
The writers who worked with him most loved the fact that he was fearless | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
and would do anything they gave him. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
DRUM ROLL | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
And there was no health and safety trouble with Les. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
He was a surprisingly agile man. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
He had been a fit lad, he'd been able to box and he'd been in the army, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
so he was a person who'd just slightly overgrown his body as he got older. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
He's not a bad looking bloke. He's got a bit of the Orson Wells about him. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
-Use your head! -I can't, he's got it! -LAUGHTER | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
-Try the Billy Two Rivers method! -Oh, right, yeah. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
LAUGHTER Oh, very good! Dwarf Haystacks! | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
I refuse to be known by that ridiculous nom de plume. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
I wish to be known as Dastardly Dawson, the Diabolical Death Machine. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
LAUGHTER Now that is lesson number two. Never turn your back on Masher! | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
-Oh, right. -You're not going to stand for that, are you? | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
-Certainly not! -APPLAUSE | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
'Les worked for years with Mo Moreland, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
'known in the variety circuit as The Mighty Atom.' | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
It was just a name that came to my mother. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
You know, she just said, "We'll call you The Mighty Atom, that's better". | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
That was even before the atomic bomb was thought of, I think. SHE LAUGHS | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
'Mo's rotund stature belied the fact that she was an excellent tap dancer, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:03 | |
'and that gave Les the idea for a visual gag that would run and run.' | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, I am about now to light the fuse of this canon, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
and she will soar through the air, like an eaglet. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
DRUM ROLL | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
EXPLOSION / LAUGHTER | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
Les came in one day and said, "Mo, I've got this idea, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
"I want five or six girls all like you." I said, "You'll be lucky!" | 0:35:29 | 0:35:35 | |
At first it was suggested that we would just be big ladies and we'd just stand around and look pretty | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
and be laughed at, and Les said, "No way." | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
To help me with this illusion... | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
-I only want one. -LAUGHTER | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
I was about 14 and a half stone then. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
If you can get tap dancers at 14 and a half stone to join me, by all means. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
-'And he did.' -No show is ever complete without les girls! | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
'The Roly Polys became a regular feature of The Les Dawson Show.' | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
# I walked away and said goodbye | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
# I was hasty, wasn't I? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
# I missed you so, I thought I'd die | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
# I'll never say never again again | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
# Cos here I am in love again | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
# Head over heels in love again | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
# With the same sweet you | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
# We're head over heels in love again | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
# With the same | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
# Sweet | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
# You | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
# Boo-be-doo APPLAUSE | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
'But times were changing and the days of peak-time variety shows on television were numbered. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
'A new wave of comedy had followed a new wave of music. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
'And the older generation of variety comics were fading from the screens.' | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
Comedy in the 80s was polarised between the alternative comedians, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
Alexei Sayle, Ben Elton, The Comic Strip and all that lot, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
and mainstream guys who got stereotyped as these old farts with wigs who played golf with each other. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:57 | |
There was some collateral damage there. Jimmy Tarbuck might have been unfairly treated, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
Bob Monkhouse probably was, Jim Davidson we won't weep over. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
But Les Dawson is sort of apart from that, he was one of those mainstream comedians | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
like Billy Connolly and Victoria Wood and Tommy Cooper and Eric Morecambe, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
you didn't care, it didn't matter that he was mainstream | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
because what they all have in common is they were brilliant. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
Sugar Albert, after that eventful first round, how do you see the fight? | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
Just! | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
I wanted to make a tart. But they wouldn't let me make a tart. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
I like tarts. I like big tarts! Big juicy tarts! | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
I'm friends with the son of one of these comedians from this generation. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
And they change jokes, it's like, "Do you want my joke about the bear in the woods?" | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
"Oh, great, I'll have your one about the immigrant in the pub," and they'll swap them. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Whereas I can't swap the joke about my dad in Southend with anyone because it's personal to me. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
So I suppose it's become more biographical, less pressure on a punchline, | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
you can leave a gap on purpose and laugh about the gap. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
But there still is, for all us disappearing up our own orifices, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
there's still a lead up, a gap, and then a laugh at the end, even if that laugh is at the absence | 0:39:09 | 0:39:15 | |
or the breaking down of the Thatcher government, it's still dum-dum-dum, laugh. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
I know we like to pretend it's not because we're so superior to the one-liner comedians, apparently, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
but I believe it's still dum-dum-dum, laugh. Without a laugh, you won't be doing comedy long. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
Les described alternative comedy as being comedy that didn't get laughs. That was alternative. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:37 | |
And, of course, there became that period of time when there was quite a few politically-orientated comics | 0:39:37 | 0:39:44 | |
and people that did observational comedy, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
and people that used the word comedian but refused to do a joke, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
refused to do something that was obviously a joke and it would be an observational thing. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
It was a whole new style that began. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
It took a long time to get a grip. While it was getting a grip, of course, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
all the great comics at that time were finding it very difficult to get on television. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
And I can remember Les saying to me once, he said, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
"Life in the clubs was so hard, those audiences were so tough, and could be so brutal, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:19 | |
"if I no longer was required to work in television, I would never go back to the clubs." | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
It was that hard. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
There certainly is no business like show business. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
'Like all traditional black-tie comedians, Les Dawson was facing tough career choices.' | 0:40:31 | 0:40:37 | |
Stand-ups have a shelf life and then you have your own show, if you're lucky, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
and it's all super-duper, and then either you turn out to be good at doing game shows or not. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:48 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
May I just say one thing? | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
When I first heard I was coming on this show, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
a feeling came over me I've never experienced before. Sick! | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
'Les had good reason to be concerned about taking on a commitment like Blankety Blank. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
'He knew game shows had finished the careers of other comedians.' | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
So Les was very aware that he could be inheriting a poison chalice | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
because the previous host had been so well-liked. So Charlie Williams, when he went into Golden Shot, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
didn't do well at all, he was very much slated in the press, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
the audience were switching off in their droves, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
so Les felt Terry Wogan had been so successful and so synonymous with Blankety Blank, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
that if he then took that over he wouldn't be accepted. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
And with hindsight, what we see is that Charlie Williams just wasn't able to do it, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
he wasn't up to the job. He was very good at doing his club set and doing his jokes, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
but when it came to interacting with the public, he was out of his depth. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
He couldn't improvise and think on his feet. So that's why it failed. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
'It would be a professional risk. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
'Meanwhile at home near Blackpool, Les's wife Meg was seriously ill. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
'A BBC executive offered a solution that would keep Les by her bedside.' | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
I think it was Jim Moir said, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
"Well, why don't you go and do Blankety Blank because you can do two shows in a weekend | 0:42:13 | 0:42:20 | |
"with no rehearsal, you just turn up, do it, then you go back to Lytham, and go back to Meg and the family." | 0:42:20 | 0:42:27 | |
-'And here's your host on Blankety Blank, Les Dawson!' -CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
For any viewers, wherever they lay, who may be watching this debacle tonight, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
please don't fiddle with your controls on your set, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
-just because Terry Wogan isn't here doesn't mean your set's broke. -LAUGHTER | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
So all I can say is I shall do my best, Terry, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
to keep this show on the high level of asininity that you created. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
-What can one say except... -LAUGHTER AND CHEERING | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
It was just a really funny comedy show, it wasn't like watching a quiz show at all. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
It was half an hour of Les Dawson absolutely in his element. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
It was perfect for that kind of curmudgeonly, long-suffering clown | 0:43:20 | 0:43:27 | |
that he'd developed over the years. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Who've we got on tonight? Roy Walker, an Irish comedian | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
whose delivery is slower than a Boycott innings. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
This lad loves a joke, and one day he's going to tell one. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
Janet Brown. When Janet's on this show, she doesn't do a lot but what she does in inadequate. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:46 | |
On Blankety Blank, all the people in the panel, every one of them, no matter who they were, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:52 | |
actresses, whatever, they all loved him. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
And that makes a big difference. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
So Les could play with these people and be, not rude to them, but be off with them, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:05 | |
comedically, and they would just laugh because they loved him so much. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:11 | |
-I used to fight like Cooper. Gladys. -LAUGHTER | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
I'll tell you, you've been an asset to this show. You could brighten it by leaving it. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
-You do for that outfit what Nora Batty does for tights. -LAUGHTER | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
-Ken Dodd, who proves there's life after teeth. -LAUGHTER | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
He's undermining that show the whole time. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
But not in such a way that you think, "Why are we watching, then?" | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
You have to watch because he has that very, very charming anti-charm | 0:44:34 | 0:44:40 | |
that you can't take your eyes off. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
Geoff, you're not going home empty-handed because, by Jiminy, the BBC does not believe in that. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:49 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
-You're taking with you... -HE LAUGHS | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
-..our Blankety Blank cheque book and pen. -APPLAUSE | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
-Come on, Rice, what have you got? -Never used to be like this with Terry. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
"Never used to be like this with Terry!" | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
'Blankety Blank was a huge success for Les. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
'But behind the scenes, the Dawson family was in crisis. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
'In April 1986, his wife and inspiration, Meg, passed away.' | 0:45:16 | 0:45:23 | |
When Meg went, he went to ground in a big way. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:31 | |
Because his, his... | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
..his support had gone. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
His honest support had gone. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
Er, and we were all very worried about Les because he did suffer very badly. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:46 | |
And then Tracy came along. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
And it was obvious to anybody that knew Les that Tracy was absolutely fantastic, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
she didn't try and top Meg, she became a new source of support. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
He was very much a family man and wanted to be married | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
and he loved the family life and to be at home, the stability of home. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:11 | |
And I think Meg was obviously very important in Les's life | 0:46:11 | 0:46:17 | |
because she helped his career with Opportunity Knocks, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
and she sort of kept his feet on the ground. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
And obviously when Les met me, and we fell in love, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
I just said, "Why didn't you marry an actress or a dancer?" | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
And he said, "Because I wanted to keep my feet on the ground." | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
I think because of similar backgrounds, really. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
'Les lifted himself from the shadows and married Tracy. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
'They had a daughter three years later. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
'He was happier than he had been for years.' | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
I don't think there was a lot of difference between the Les Dawson on stage and the Les Dawson at home | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
because he sort of took everybody under his wing, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
you know, if he did the theatres then he would meet up with the fans later. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:05 | |
He would say, "Come into the bar and have a drink with me. Why are you standing out in the cold?" | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
And he just treated everybody the same, which I thought was a lovely quality. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:16 | |
He'd say, "Come on, Pooh," because my nickname is Pooh, "Let's have a ride into Blackpool." | 0:47:16 | 0:47:22 | |
Or we'd have a ride into the country. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
And he would pick ideas up, or we'd go and have a coffee somewhere, | 0:47:25 | 0:47:30 | |
or walk around in Blackpool and an idea would come. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
And then he'd say, "Right, let's get back." | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
He always had a notebook and pen in his pocket and always wrote ideas down. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
'Throughout his life, Les Dawson, lover of words and master of the variety stage, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
'found many ways to make us laugh. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
'But he will be best remembered for a trick he claims rescued him as a rookie in the working men's clubs. | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
'It was a guaranteed show-stopper, his signature routine. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
'Everyone knew the punchline. But a Les Dawson appearance was incomplete without it.' | 0:48:04 | 0:48:10 | |
HE PLAYS PIANO | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
The audience demanded it in the end. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
If Les didn't play the piano... I saw this happen on many, many occasions. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
He'd be working front cloth and then the curtains would open and there would be the grand piano. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:34 | |
And the audience would just applaud at the piano because they knew what was coming. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
You know, the audience demanded that. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
You wind the clock back to when Les first started doing that | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
and it was really dealing with rude northern audiences who weren't going to sit and listen to his banter, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:51 | |
his patter, his jokes, all they wanted to do was have a few jars and sing. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:56 | |
So he thought, "Fine, you want to sing, you sing." | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
Now, come on, let's hear you now. Let's raise the roof. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
It won't take much doing, the guttering is on the inside. Are you ready? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
HE PLAYS OUT OF TUNE | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
He made everything look effortless. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
He'd sat down and worked out, "Right, which are the right wrong notes?" | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
It's quite easy to play the piano badly and not be funny, as any music teacher will tell you, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
but to play the piano badly and be always hilarious is... | 0:49:24 | 0:49:30 | |
Well, firstly, you need to know what you're doing, and secondly you need to be funny, and he was. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
Just the timing, and the whole persona of how he's sitting on the stool looking at the audience, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
with the, kind of, cheesy grin. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
Anybody else trying to do that with a piano would turn it into a joke. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:51 | |
If you look at Les playing the piano, he believes every note he isn't playing. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
He is completely, totally believable that he thinks he is doing it right. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:03 | 0:50:04 | |
He would play the piano every day at home, and play classical, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
and jazz, and always went through the off-key piano playing at home, as well, which was nice. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:16 | |
He would start off quite serious on the piano before lunch, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
and then he would play jazz | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
and then he would do the off-key piano playing so we'd know then he was at the end. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
'Les knew how to get the most from a piano. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
'But he never forgot that before he was famous, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
'he thought his fortune lay as a singer first and a comedian second.' | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
I saw a clip of him singing Feelings. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
And he starts to sing, going... # Feelings.. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
# Teardrops | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
# They're rolling down on my face | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
I was thinking, "Is this for real? Cos he's an OK singer." | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
# Time to forget | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
# My feelings of love | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
And then, of course, he goes, "Feelings!" | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
OFF-KEY: # Feeeeeelings | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
# Whoa, whoa, whoa, feeeeeelings | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
You know it's coming but it's all the more joyful because you know it's coming. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:27 | |
'Les had always enjoyed smoking and drinking. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
'But a lifetime of premature celebration was taking its toll, and his health was failing. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
'It was time to take things easy and indulge his passions in some unexpected ways.' | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
He was an amazing writer. I mean, we all know he was a fantastic performer, et cetera. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
But my official word would be he was an amazing writer because that's how he wanted to be remembered. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:52 | |
I think he gave enough to warrant being remembered for what he wanted to be remembered for. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
We have a wonderful collection of books in the library, and he would read them over and over again. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:03 | |
And the toilets, there are four toilets and they're all full of books. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
And if he ever wanted some quiet time before the family were home, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
he'd usually lock himself in his other study, as he called it, the loo and read books. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:17 | |
I could imagine him going out with a television camera, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
going to some interesting castle or something like that and talking about it. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
You know, doing something to do with history. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
Anything that he was interested in, because he could bring his humour with him. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
So I would have thought he could have done almost everything except probably straight acting. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:39 | |
'But he did. He played Nona, a woman in an adaptation of an Argentinean absurd drama.' | 0:52:39 | 0:52:46 | |
-How are you, Nonita? -Hungry. -Hungry? | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
-On a day like this? -Always hungry. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
That's my Nonita. There's always something for you to eat, isn't there? Some nice little morsel. | 0:52:54 | 0:53:00 | |
-Mm. -Nice salad you have there, Nona? | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
Si. Peppers, sweetcorn, excellento! | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
-Wait a minute. Where have the flowers gone? -You got vinegar? | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
They're in the salad! | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
-Everything in salad. -You put Auntie's flowers in the salad, the flowers for the dead! | 0:53:16 | 0:53:22 | |
You've done it this time! You've gone too far this time! HE GASPS | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
'And Les appeared in Demob with Griff Rhys Jones and Martin Clunes.' | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
Thank you. That's very decent of you, er... | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
-Er, Deasey, Ian. -Deasey Ian, yes. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
-And what have we here? -Oh, Mr Stanley, this is Heather Kennedy. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
Charmed, my petite mama. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
-Tell me, did you witness the debacle? -They did their best. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
Oh, yes. We all have to start somewhere. Never say die. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
He was a stand-up comedian but he'd changed direction, really, doing the serious side of acting. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:06 | |
And he loved that. He said he would have worked for nothing. Cos he just loved that side of it. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
No, no, stop! Stop the rehearsal! | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
Get off the stage. Go and rest your bunions, go on, get off. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:19 | |
-I bet he's got a wealth of stories. -Yep. Let's hope he doesn't tell us any. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
-Well, that was bloody awful. -Well, do it again, then! | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
No. What did they expect for one and a kick? The bloody Bolshoi? Eh? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
-Paul? -There you are, Mr Stanley. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
-Oh, Deasey and Dobson have arrived. -Bailiffs? -No. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
-The ice breakers. -Oh, two for the murder slot. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
Where are you? Come on, where are you skulking, you cowards? Show yourselves! | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
And the winner is... | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
..Les Dawson. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
'In 1992, Les's career was finally recognised in the British Comedy Awards.' | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
-It's about bloody time I won something. -LAUGHTER | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
Let's face it, I've been in this business so long I can remember when The Archers only had an allotment. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:14 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
'But within a year, Les Dawson had passed away.' | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
The mother-in-law came last week to stay with us. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
I knew it was her coming because next door's savage Alsatian... | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
..a high potency fertility pill... | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
Oh! Oh! Oh!... ..my Bert said they tasted of peppermint... | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
You see, you can sit there and smirk but you don't know. Life seems to be a matter of choice if you're lucky. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:44 | |
I'm not lucky. Dame Fortune has never once ever smiled at me. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
AUDIENCE: Aww! | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
I was with Les when he died. He was at a hospital in Manchester | 0:55:51 | 0:55:57 | |
and he was having a routine check-up for insurance cos he was doing another film with Griff Rhys Jones. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:03 | |
And he had to have this check-up | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
and had a massive heart attack just after, waiting for the results. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
I was amazed when I heard about Les's death. It was on the radio I heard it, and I went, "What?" | 0:56:11 | 0:56:18 | |
Erm... | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
And it was just one of these landmark things in the history of show business, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:27 | |
you know, where you go, "Wow!" Suddenly there's no Les. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
There were so many other comedians, there were lots like Arthur Askey, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
you know, and Norman Vaughan, and people you saw all the time, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
but Les I thought was a division better than them | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
because he was more imaginative and his use of words was so much more interesting. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:53 | |
Comedy changes so much, but there are the comics, the very few, you could count on your hands, | 0:56:54 | 0:57:01 | |
the ones that can continue on through the years | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
and still be number one in their trade. And I think Les was one of them. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
He was up there with the very top, Les was. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
People still know his name. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
And people still talk about him. I mean, that is wonderful. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
Even people who weren't born when he died. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
I'd put him up there with Tommy Cooper and Eric Morecambe | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
as a great mainstream British television comedian. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:39 | |
I think he was properly great. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
There's still sort of a glow, really, that Les is still alive. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
-They say laughter is infectious. -Well, I think he's found a cure. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:56 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
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