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Good morning folks! Welcome to the Daily Politics. We have been doing | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
this for 10 years. It's my first day back at the coal-face here at | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
Westminster. So it's a Happy New Year from me! | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Yes, of course I've already been here for two days! Some would be | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
talking about shirkers and strivers! Anyway, today's top | :01:02. | :01:08. | |
stories! Huge changes are being planned to | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
the way prisoners are supervised after they get out of jail. Private | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
companies may take over from the probation service for all but the | :01:15. | :01:23. | |
most dangerous offenders. And they'll be paid by results. | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
The actor, Geoffrey Palmer, will be taking a look at plans to stick a | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
high-speed railway through the heart of the Cotswolds where he | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
lives. And guess what? He's none too keen. | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
It's the first Prime Minister's Question Time of the New Year of | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
course! So stand by for the resumption of political hostility | :01:36. | :01:44. | |
that we've all so sorely missed over the season of good will. | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
And, it's happy birthday to us! Yes the Daily Politics is 10 years old | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
this week! We'll be looking back at some of the highlights of the last | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
decade. And, like all 10-year-olds, throwing an enormous strop if the | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
cake and presents aren't good enough. | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
All that in the next hour and a half. Prime Minister's Questions is | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
at noon of course. And joining us throughout today's programme is the | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Treasury Minister, Sajid Javid, and the shadow Secretary for Work and | :02:13. | :02:21. | |
Pensions, Liam Byrne. But first, today the Government's | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
telling us how it plans to make private companies take over the | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
supervision of most ex-offenders once they leave prison. The role of | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
the traditional public probation service will be scaled back and it | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
will now only deal with the most violent of them. The new companies | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
will be paid by results, in an effort to reduce the hundreds of | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
thousands of crimes currently committed each and every year by | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
prisoners who have just got out of jail. This was the Justice | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
Secretary, Chris Grayling, earlier this morning. | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
Very often people walk out of the front door of a prison, �46 in | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
their pocket. Either with no support, or with the Probation | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
Service in a few days. I want them going straight on to a new rehab | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
course, if that is what they need, or if they dropped out of school. | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
We start to help them get their lives back together again. | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
Has the Probation Service failed to do its job properly? I wouldn't put | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
it like that, but if you look at the reoffending rate as a country, | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
it is probably one of the worst in the world. It is almost 50% of | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
people in terms of all prisoners released. If you look at people | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
convicted for 12 months or less, it is as high as 60%. It is | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
unacceptable, so we have to look at better ways. What Chris has talked | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
about, and the former Justice Secretary talked about, is have | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
rehabilitation, and these things we should be looking at. On those | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
figures, you would argue they have not done their job, or you wouldn't | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
be looking at this radical new approach? It would be unfair to say | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
it is all to do with the Probation Service. We have to look at new | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
ways of doing things. That means widening the scope of people who | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
can provide rehabilitation services, bring in the private sector and | :04:16. | :04:22. | |
charities. Also this approach of payment by results. Let's look at | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
payment by results. Why do you think that it will do a better job? | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
It sets the right incentives. If you get charities and private | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
sector groups involved, given the right incentives they can bring | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
about results in the criminal justice system we will be looking | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
for. They will get paid. It is a bit like the work programme put in | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
place. It has been criticised formed failing to meet its own | :04:50. | :05:00. | |
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modest targets. Are these the sort of models you want to emulate? | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
is not fair. The work programme has just come into place. Then there is | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
800,000 people on it. It is bringing results. Let's look at the | :05:11. | :05:19. | |
reoffending rate so. It is even worse than you said. 90% of those | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
sentenced in England and Wales in 2011 had offended before. There | :05:23. | :05:30. | |
needs to be a rethink? Payment by results is an answer that can work. | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
What troubles us about this announcement is it is a bit of a | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
big bang approach to something that is high risk. Chris Grayling has | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
shut down a couple of important pilots. He has gone straight for | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
this kind of model, that he, as the minister put in place on the work | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
programme. It failed disastrously. The Government set its own minimum | :05:55. | :06:01. | |
performance standard at the work programme, with people needing to | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
be got into jobs. Only two people out of every 100 got into jobs. | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
you backing the idea of the versifying... The theory can work. | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
It is the practice. The devil is in the details and Chris Grayling has | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
a track record as a dodgy builder. Be very, very cautious about this. | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
Cancelling the pilots in the way we saw this morning is a mistake. | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
Proceed with caution. Let's go to harry Fletcher, who has been | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
listening to this, he is from the union that represents probation | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
staff. I'm not sure how much you heard about that, but let's look at | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
reoffending rates, because it was brought up by the minister. In 2011, | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
90% of those sentenced in England and Wales had offended before. | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
Doesn't this show the Probation Service as it stands has failed? | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
Ministers are confusing prisoners who got 12 months or less with | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
prisoners to got 12 months or more. Anybody under 12 months does not | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
get any assistance. The fact Chris Grayling has said this morning, in | :07:10. | :07:19. | |
future they will get assistance. The bad news is, the decision to | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
outsource two thirds of existing probation work, when the Ministry | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
of Justice's own statistics show that last year, we were set about a | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
dozen targets and we exceeded or hit absolutely everyone of them, | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
including reducing reoffending by the amount required by the Ministry | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
of Justice. The Probation Service has already been in receipt of | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
awards for excellence. The timing of this is bizarre. We have a | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
public sector organisation that is doing very well. But it is being | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
punished by the threat of privatisation. Why would you be | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
outsourcing on the basis of those results? It is nice to hear Liam is | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
welcoming the theory of this. so Harry's point. They have just | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
received an award for excellence and being touted abroad as a public | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
service to follow. The reoffending rate say it all. We need to look at | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
a new way of doing this. It is only sensible to look out new providers, | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
and frankly, have a bit of competition. There is nothing wrong | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
with competition in public services. If it leads to new ideas, it is a | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
good thing. Better results is a good thing, and value for money is | :08:36. | :08:46. | |
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good as well. If the proposal was that Probation Service should work | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
in partnership with the private sector, we already work in | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
partnership with the private sector with tagging, that would be OK. But | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
they want to outsource two thirds of the work. And probation trusts | :08:59. | :09:05. | |
won't be able to bid for bat, it is a private sector monopoly. We have | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
spoken to the Ministry of Justice who has said you will be able to | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
bid for the work. If you are going to be able to bid for the work | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
alongside other providers, it is a level playing field? I want to see | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
the detail. Before Christmas I was being told quite clearly that the | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
probation trust wouldn't be able to bid for the work because it would | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
put public money at risk. If there has been a reversal, it is good | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
news. But we need to see the detail before we can announce further. If | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
this is a fair competition, and in the past competitions in the | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
justice sector has not been fair, Prison Service, maintenance | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
contracts, outsourcing of bail beds, that would be a different matter. | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
But our experience has been the actual process of competition is | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
not fair. What about the idea of payment by results, what do you | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
think about that? It would work if we were in a situation where the | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
economic climate it is very positive. The best way of getting a | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
criminal out of crime is to get them into work. The problems we | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
have is the vast majority of the people we deal with are illiterate. | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
They have problems with drugs and alcohol and they have more than two | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
mental health issues. We have to deal with those problems first. | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
Then we can look at pat ways to work. But there aren't the jobs out | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
there and if 50 people applied for one job and five of them are | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
criminals, I know who won't be shortlisted. That is the difficulty. | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
How do you measure a result if you pay someone? Is it someone who | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
comes out of prison never has to reoffend again and the company get | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
paid? Or do you cut the number of re offences, bearing in mind people | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
reoffend many times. How do pay the company? Part of the reason for | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
this announcement and the consultation as a result of that, | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
is to look at these ideas and get him put on this. But reoffending is | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
one of the measurements. If you can get that down, it is key. The. | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
Harry made, I am glad he is welcoming competition. In needs to | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
be a level playing field. But also, as Harry said, up until now, people | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
that have been convicted for less than 12 months have not received | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
any rehabilitation help. But that wasn't the role of the Probation | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
Service. It is good to see the Government will include such people. | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
If we are going to get the reoffending rate down, we need to | :11:37. | :11:47. | |
include all offenders. Well, there were furious exchanges in the House | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
of Commons yesterday as MPs debated whether or not to cap increases to | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
benefits and tax credits to less than the level of inflation. | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
In other words, a real-terms cut. The Government won the vote, | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
insisting that it would be unfair to people who work hard and who | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
have seen their own pay hardly rising, if they did anything else. | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
Here's Jo. The Government's victory last night | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
means that most working-age benefits and tax credits will now | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
increase by 1% every year up to 2015. Because inflation is expected | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
to be considerably higher, that'll mean a real-terms cut for people | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
receiving payments including jobseeker's allowance, income | :12:17. | :12:27. | |
support and maternity pay. The Work and Pension Secretary, Iain Duncan | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
Smith said the move was fair because it brings the increase in | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
benefits closer to the rise in average earnings, which was 1.4% | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
last year. Mr Duncan Smith says he believes that this will all save | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
the taxpayer as much as �2 billion a year by the end of the Parliament. | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
Which is essential if the Government is going to cut the | :12:44. | :12:53. | |
welfare bill, which is �195 billion and projected to keep on rising. | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
Labour opposed the move in angry scenes in the Commons, arguing that | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
by the Government's own admission it would hit women, single parents | :12:59. | :13:09. | |
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and disabled people. Let's take a look at some of last night's debate. | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
If you look at it over the period since the beginning of the | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
recession, payments for those in work have risen by about 10% and | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
for those on benefits have risen by 20%. What we're trying to do over | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
the next few years, get that back into a fair settlement and | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
eventually it will go back on to inflation. We want to create and | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
hand back society, not a handout society. It does not help those on | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
lower earners by cutting taxes and recycling their hard-earned money | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
on benefits. It is not Britain's millionaires picking up the tab, it | :13:47. | :13:55. | |
is working families. This is a 'The Strivers Tax Bill, pure and simple. | :13:55. | :14:04. | |
What would he say to the policeman in my constituency... Is it fair | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
that people out of work have seen their benefits go up by 5.2%. My | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
salary has been frozen when I risk my life every day. That is what | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
this bill is about. I am ready to say what we did wrong, I have not | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
heard a word to say what they have done wrong. It is intolerable to | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
blame the unemployed for their poverty and our deficit. That is | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
why I'm voting for the amendment and against this rotten bill. | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
Bill is part of a war waged by the rich, who are doing all they can to | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
divide individuals answer communities against each other. It | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
is a reckless and dangerous measure which is likely to be massively | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
counter-productive and destabilise already struggling groups in | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
society and push them into greater despair and desperation. | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
billion over this Parliament of savings have been opposed by the | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
opposition. It is equivalent of adding another �5,000 of debt for | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
every working family in the country. We hear much about taxing the rich, | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
yet in this Parliament, the richest will pay more in tax than under any | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
single year of the previous Government. More tax on capital | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
gains, more stamp duty, is available to avoid and have a tax | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
and more when they take out their pension policy. | :15:30. | :15:40. | |
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That gives you a flavour Abbott was A lively debate. Sajid Jafid, the | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
Chancellor at the Tory conference talked about people getting up | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
early to go to work and passing by houses where curtains were drawn, | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
people were asleep, living on benefits. He obviously didn't like | :15:51. | :15:58. | |
that. It was an implication of exiefrz, so why on the changes have | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
-- skivers, so why on the changes have you made people will be poorer | :16:03. | :16:10. | |
and the year after that �534 poorer? Firstly, in those working | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
families, they would only be poorer if you looked at the changes in | :16:13. | :16:21. | |
isolation and that wouldn't be right. Those are library figures | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
and net figures. It isn't. I have to confirm what he has said. These | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
are for the �280 worse off that is from the House of Commons Library, | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
which I've looked at and that includes the personal allowance and | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
the figure of �534 worse off is from the Institute of Fiscal | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
Studies and includes the rise in the personal allowance. You'll find | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
it only includes a change in the personal allowance that was | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
announced in the Autumn Statement. It does not include the change in | :16:50. | :16:59. | |
the personal allowance. It includes all. There is also the VAT increase | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
going up. There's a council tax freeze. There is change in fuel | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
duty. On the tenth anniversary I was going to do my homework. | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
sure you do that. These include the personal allowance changes, which | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
do help, overall these families who you are talking about, walking past | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
the curtains of those who are supposedly not going to work, they | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
will be worst off? Well, I know you always do your homework. I've done | :17:26. | :17:34. | |
mine, but we won't get into that. The figure I have is the average | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
family will save because the personal allowance changes. �594, | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
for all the changes in the entirety a year. That is a significant | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
saving and then you have a council tax freeze and the increases in | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
fuel duty that did take place. There are other changes taking | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
place in the tax and benefits system that are helping working | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
families and we have to look at them in the round. There is a wider. | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
The tax credit system, which was part of the changes debated | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
yesterday was so widespread that under the previous government nine | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
out of ten families with children were receiving some kind of tax | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
credit. Nine out of ten families, that is. With universal credit a | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
lot less people will receive the benefits in their entirety, a lot | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
less families, but it will be targeted at people that need the | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
help and set up in a way that those families will be better off by | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
taking a job. So you can't have a system of welfare where nine out of | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
ten are receiving tax credits. We have changed that. It will be six | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
out of ten. We have got to have a welfare system that is better spent | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
and better targeted towards families. Can we establish that | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
these working families that the Chancellor was so keen to support, | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
as a result of the changes in yesterday's Bill, they will be | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
worse off? You can't have changes to the welfare system when tax | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
credits are such a big chunk, to which tax credits, as the system | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
has been set up, go to working families, without having an impact | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
on those recipients. The Chancellor is hitting the person walking in | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
street and the ones behind the curtains who are not working? He | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
has hit both, hasn't he? We are having a big change to welfare. | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
That was the importance of the Bill yesterday to try to bring about | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
savings and it's affected families both on tax credits and JSA. | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
does Labour support a 1% cap on people who go to work in the public | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
sector, but not a 1% cap for those who are getting benefits? Because | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
we set the 1% cap sudden be an average. So for those at the very | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
top of the income spectrum, we have said they shouldn't get a rise at | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
you will. Sure, but they're not. For those at the very bottom, there | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
should be an exemption. We always said there should be a value for | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
the public sectors under �21,000 and that's why you have Labour | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
councils introducing living wages for Dinnerladies and teaching | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
assistants, those who are paid the very least. 1% on average. A lot of | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
people in the public sector and protection for those at the bottom. | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
Even so, if I can give you the figures from recent years, if you | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
look at the benefit rises. Take 2009. Benefits up 5%, pay went up | :20:26. | :20:35. | |
1.5%. 2010, benefits 1.1%, payment up 0.5%. 2011, benefits up 3%, pay | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
up 2.5%. 2012, benefits 5.2%, payment up 2.3%. Every year in | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
recent history if you've been on benefits you have done better than | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
getting a pay rise. This is very important argument. Two points in | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
response. First, we always look not just at wages, but at the family | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
income. I personally want family income to rise faster when | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
someone's in work than when they're on benefits. That's why we wanted | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
tax credits to rise. But the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
actually froze the rise in tax credits and that's 3,5,000 people | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
in his constituency and 11,000 in mine. The Bill squeezed them | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
further. What that means is that those people who are in work are | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
getting hit twice, they are hit by wages that are stagnating and hurt | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
by tax being squeezed. My second point is, now think about what is | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
coming in the years ahead. So, in the years that this Bill is in | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
effect, actually earnings are forecast to grow by the Office for | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
Budget Responsibility by between 3% panned 4%. That's -- and 4%. That's | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
earnings. That is absolutely right. If you look at the OBI. That's not | :21:47. | :21:56. | |
right. Outlook, earnings will grow. Public sector. Firstly, as this | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
government will tell you, basing any policy on OBR is fool's gold. | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
That's why they're in a mess. Public sector pay is frozen or | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
rising by 1% overall for the future. Private earnings are rising by less | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
than 2% at the moment. There is no - I know of no business currently | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
planning 3% or 4% pay rises. Tell me one. Let me bring you back to | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
this. That's why tax credits need to be protected. At a time when | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
wages are squeezed you need tax credits to take up the slack. It's | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
this government that is actually freezing tax credits and proposing | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
to squeeze them at a time that the very richest in our country are | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
being given a �2,000 a week tax cut. We can't see how that is fair. | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
knows that's wrong. Frankly, he is wrong. You set it up. He knows | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
about the tax cuts for the richest is completely wrong. He said tax | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
credits sudden go up. He voted against this Bill yesterday, so | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
really you need to explain how you are going to fund the changes. | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
There is up to �5 billion of savings to get the changes. How | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
will you do that and at the same time cut the deficit? Keeping in | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
mind, that Liam was the Cabinet Secretary responsible for spending | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
in the previous government and he left the note to the new government | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
saying, "There's no money left." He might have thought it was a joke. I | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
think it was a rare moment of honesty. Let's see more now and | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
tell us how you will do that. you wish you had never left that | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
note? It's a good joke, but it's haunted you. These notes go back to | :23:36. | :23:42. | |
Churchill in the 1920s and a little later on. There's an old tradition | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
of them. They are normally kept private. Only one successor has | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
meant it. I left a Budget that I co-wrote with Alistair Darling | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
which would cut the deficit in four years. The basic point is this - �3 | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
billion a year is being handed back to Britain's top-rate taxpayers. | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
That's complete rubbish. It's an HMRC figure. It's not. They say | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
it's the static costs. Let him explain why he thinks it's not | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
right. I understand this. Let him explain why. What he conveniently | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
wants to ignore are behaviourial changes when you have a tax change. | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
When you have a tax change people change their behaviour. HMRC's | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
study said when you take behaviour into account it's about �100 | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
million, not �3 billion. That's why if you want to tax the wealthiest | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
you need to do it in a way where it's not easy for them to avoid it, | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
stamp duty and changes in personal pension contribution allowances and | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
changes in capital gains tax and that's what we have son, so each -- | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
son, so each year the wealthiest are paying more. We'll come back to | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
this. We have to move on. Very interesting. I did a lot more | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
homework than I needed to! Hold onto your socks for a moment - we | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
have an important announcement.. FANFARE | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
Yes, as you know each week we give away a prize that the rich and | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
mighty can only dream of. Yes, the Daily Politics Mug! But in honour | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
of our 10th birthday - have we mentioned its our 10th birthday? - | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
for one week only we've bust the budget, stuck a happy birthday | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
sticker on the side of it and we've got permission from the head of | :25:35. | :25:44. | |
finance to give away not one, but two! Oh, how eBay will groan! Sajid | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
and Liam have already got theirs - they're quick off the mark these | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
Treasury boys. But now two of you can try and join a club that is | :25:52. | :26:01. | |
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surely unique. Let's see if you can remember when this happened. | :26:09. | :26:19. | |
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# Everybody, move feet and feel united... # | :26:23. | :26:32. | |
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# I don't know who you are # But you must be kind of | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
superstar... # The people have spoken for the | :26:53. | :27:03. | |
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# Danger, danger Lots of clues there. To be in with | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
a chance of winning one of our special special mugs, look at it, | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
send your answer to our special address: You can see the full terms | :27:50. | :27:59. | |
and conditions on the website. they can't guess what that year's | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
going to be, they should be banned from watching. Thereby cutting our | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
audience to close to zero. It's coming up to midday. There's Big | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
Ben behind me there. It's only meaning one thing, Prime Minister's | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
questions and also that Nick Robinson is here. Haby knew year. | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
Welcome back. -- happy new year. Welcome back. A cheap one. That's | :28:20. | :28:28. | |
all we can afford. The cheque isn't in the account yet! We have this | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
relaunch of the coalition on Monday, that's what Labour called it. We | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
read in this morning's papers that there's another document where they | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
mark their own homework. Even marking their own homework, we are | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
told, they failed on 70 promises. Thanks to a rather good political | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
photographer called Steve Back who has an extremely long lens, he | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
managed to get one of the political advisers to the Prime Minister, | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
Patrick Rock, who was carrying documents along, who said he might | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
have well as stapled it to his forehead and posted it to the | :29:01. | :29:09. | |
Cabinet. Which said and I quote, "I think the danger of bad headlines, | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
about the Government failing to meet certain targets, can be | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
avoided by simply publishing a document without any fanfare on the | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
Government's website." I don't think that plans going quite to | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
plan. "We might be accused of slipping out the difficult points a | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
couple of days we got more favourable coverage." It's just | :29:27. | :29:33. | |
possible! I wouldn't wish to predict. Only by churlish people. | :29:33. | :29:39. | |
Or people of an unkind disposition. Was there always the plan to | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
publish this? Well, the coalition document, they saw that this week. | :29:45. | :29:52. | |
No, marking your own homework? don't know about that. You have not | :29:52. | :30:00. | |
seen it. It talked about cutting the deficit. Welfare reform. I was | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
gob-smacked by it. Were you on holiday? I was working, watching | :30:04. | :30:12. | |
him, which is work! What about this new document, you must have had | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
input into this? I haven't seen such a document. I have seen the | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
coalition document, mid-term review which talks all about the successes. | :30:22. | :30:29. | |
What about 6% growth by 2012, failed. Cut the deficit by lots | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
more, no we only got 25% and it's rising again. Living standards | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
still being squeezed by as much as 1920s. Will it have all that in? | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
think the document would say that given the Interance that we had, | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
the world's largest deficit that we have done a damn good job of | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
putting the country back on its feet and also of cutting the | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
deficit and bringing back prosperity back to Britain. Is that | :30:56. | :31:06. | |
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eight out of ten? Over to Prime This morning I had meetings with | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
ministerial colleagues and others and an additional to my duties, I | :31:13. | :31:20. | |
will have further such meetings today. The as the Prime Minister | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
agree if public servants are having a 1% pay rise, it is only fair that | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
those on benefits should be given the same increase? I think he is | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
entirely right. These are difficult decisions. But they should be made | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
in the context of the fact that over the last five years benefits | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
have gone up by 20%, average earnings are only up by 10%. It is | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
right to have a 1% cap on out-of- work benefits, a 1% cap on tax | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
credits and the 1% cap on public sector pay. What is inexplicable is | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
the position of the party opposite to support a 1% public sector pay | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
cap, but one more for welfare claimants. It is not fair, not | :32:03. | :32:13. | |
right and they should think again. Mr Speaker, can the Prime Minister | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
tell us that why am Monday when he published his mid-term review | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
committee failed to publish his audit of coalition broken promises? | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
We will be publishing absolutely every single auditor of every | :32:27. | :32:34. | |
single promise, or 399 pledges set out in the mid-term review. Unlike | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
the party opposite, this will be full, frank and completely on | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
varnished and will see it this afternoon. Let me perhaps remind | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
him of some of the pledges. We said we would cut the deficit, it is | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
down by 25%. We said we would cut immigration, it is down buys 25%. | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
We said we would rebalance the economy, one million public-sector | :33:00. | :33:10. | |
:33:10. | :33:10. | ||
jobs. He is going to have to do better than that. Because this is | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
what his advisers said. Key said, they shouldn't publish the secret | :33:15. | :33:21. | |
ordered because it had problematic areas and V2 and favourable copy, | :33:21. | :33:29. | |
and identified broken pledges. It is a far cry from the Rose Garden. | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
This is what they said, we should throw open the doors to enable the | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
public to hold politicians to account. So, have another go. It is | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
a simple questions. Was it his decision not to publish the audit. | :33:46. | :33:56. | |
:33:56. | :34:00. | ||
I quote from his adviser, "it would overshadow favourable coverage..." | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
it is early in the year, so calm down. You had difficult times ahead. | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
Was it his decision not to publish the ordered? It is my decision it | :34:11. | :34:19. | |
is being published this afternoon. Is this really the best he can do? | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
He has had a week, sitting in the Canary Islands with nothing else to | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
think about. He cannot ask about unemployment because it is falling. | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
P cannot ask about business creation because it is rising. He | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
does not want to talk about the deficit because we have got it down | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
for a start he cannot ask about welfare because he knows he is on | :34:40. | :34:47. | |
the wrong side of the argument. Speaker, the only people on the | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
wrong side of the arguments are him and his Chancellor, who are trying | :34:51. | :34:58. | |
to divide the country. Let's see if we can get a sneak preview of the | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
secret Audit. We have not seen it, but can we get a sneak preview. | :35:04. | :35:14. | |
This is what the coalition agreement said, "we will stop top | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
down reorganisations of the NHS". I think we can all agree it is a | :35:20. | :35:28. | |
promise that has been broken. Can he confirm that is on the list? | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
What will be Virk, 5,000 more doctors in the NHS, 6,000 fewer | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
managers. But he talks about wanting to divide the country, the | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
division is this, two parties that have come together in the national | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
interest to take the difficult decisions, and one party that | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
refuses to apologise for the past, refuses to talk about the deficit, | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
has no economic policy to think of. That is the division in British | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
politics. I have to say, if he cannot even admit he has broken his | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
promise on a top-down reorganisation of the NHS, I don't | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
have high hopes for the secret Audit. Let's talk about another | :36:13. | :36:20. | |
broken promise, this time on women. He's had this in his modest way, | :36:20. | :36:28. | |
"he said we want to make sexual inequality history. That needs a | :36:28. | :36:35. | |
serious commitment, clear policies and clear leadership". Will the | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
secret audits acknowledge another broken promises that the changes he | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
is making... I think the part-time Chancellor should calm down. Will | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
he admits that the tax and benefit changes he is making are hitting | :36:49. | :36:59. | |
:36:59. | :37:00. | ||
women three times as hard as men? There are more women in work than... | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
There is excessive noise in the chamber. The questions from the | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
opposition must be heard and the answers from the Prime Minister | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
must be heard. He will be able to see when this document is published, | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
there are more women in work than at any time in our history, pension | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
reforms are helping women and of public-sector -- public sector pay | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
freeze that excludes the lowest paid is helping women and we are | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
helping women with extra childcare. Mr Speaker, what a contrast between | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
a Government that is prepared to publish every piece of information | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
about every pledge and what has been achieved. And the party | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
opposite that cannot apologise for the mess they left this country in. | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
After that answer, it is no wonder he did not take any questions from | :37:49. | :37:55. | |
women jealous from his relaunch a press conference. -- journalists. | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
Let's turn to his biggest broken promise, the chancellor hits hard | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
working people and the most vulnerable with his strivers tax. | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
At the same time he is giving this April, a massive tax cuts to | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
millionaires. If his audit is going to be a candid assessment, won't he | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
have to admit he has broken that symbolic promise that we are all in | :38:18. | :38:25. | |
this together? He knows the facts about the top rate of tax. His move | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
to 50 pence Mensa millionaires paid 7 billion a less in taxes, than | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
they did previously. Under this Government, the top rate of tax | :38:34. | :38:43. | |
will be higher than it every year than under his Government. Let's | :38:43. | :38:49. | |
have an audit of his promises. He promised us a costed deficit- | :38:49. | :38:54. | |
reduction programme. Nothing. He promised us proper reforms of | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
welfare. Nothing. He promised us how he would show how he would have | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
a new policy and tuition fees. Nothing. I have audited all of the | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
Government spending programmes and I have identified one where waste | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
is appalling. The �5 million of money that goes to his party every | :39:13. | :39:23. | |
:39:23. | :39:25. | ||
year. We get nothing from it. Speaker. Mr Speaker, the more he | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
blusters, the less convincing he is. He is cutting the top rate of | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
income tax at by an average of �107,000 for everyone earning over | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
�1 million in Britain. At the same time he is raising taxes on | :39:42. | :39:48. | |
everyone else. He is a PR man who cannot even do a relaunch. Halfway | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
through his Parliament, we know they are incompetent, break their | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
promises and other nasty party is back. If is perfectly clear what | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
has happened since the start of this year. It is this Government | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
that is setting out its plans for the future. It is his party that is | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
on the wrong side of the argument on welfare. It has nothing to say | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
about the deficit, no credible policy on the economy. He has a | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
shadow Chancellor who will knock back, but cannot sack. Nothing has | :40:20. | :40:28. | |
changed in politics, nothing has changed in labour. Does he agree | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
with me, that we should be cutting taxes for hard-working people in | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
Basildon it rather than taking money away from them, only to | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
return their own money through tax credits? He is entirely right. He | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
will know in April, every working family will see a �220 tax cut as | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
we left the tax threshold further. Everyone will benefit. In our view, | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
what we should be doing is cutting people's taxes, rather than take | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
more in taxes and recycle it through the massive tax credits | :41:01. | :41:08. | |
business. That is what we believe on the side of the house. Isn't it | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
a clear example of how out of touch this Prime Minister is, that while | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
the overwhelming majority of the public want to maintain the ban on | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
fox and stag hunting, that he actually plans to repeal it. Can he | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
tell us why? As I explained before Christmas, I have never broken the | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
law, and the only little red purse I pursue these days are in this | :41:32. | :41:42. | |
:41:42. | :41:42. | ||
house. -- pests. Does the Prime Minister accept... Order, order. I | :41:42. | :41:51. | |
am sure the House wishes to hear the words. Does the Prime Minister | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
accept that under this Government that we brought in an 11% rise in | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
the child elements of the tax credit, followed by a 5% rise and a | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
recent rises build on those, meaning a cash increase of �470 in | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
the child elements of the tax credit, under this Government? | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
makes an important point on how we focused help on those most in need. | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
Because we have lifted the income tax threshold, someone a minimum | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
wage who works full-time has seen their income tax bill cut in half | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
under this Government. We are on the side are people who want to | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
work hard, get on and provide for their families. There are more than | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
one million children living in poverty who do not qualify for a | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
free school meal. Several children's charities are concerned | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
that number will increase when the Universal credit is introduced. | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
Will the Prime Minister take this opportunity to allay their fears by | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
giving a guarantee that any child who qualifies for a free school | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
meal under the current rules, will keep the entire Commons when the | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
rules have changed? I will look carefully at what he says. By | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
universal credit will actually be extending help to more people and | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
more families, because it will be helping those people who are only | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
able to work a few hours a week, and helping them with childcare as | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
well. It is good to see the Prime Minister out running over Christmas, | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
and setting the pace on welfare reform. For I have been out | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
training for the London Marathon to raise funds for my local children's | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
hospice. Will he join me in praising or the fund raisers and | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
volunteers for local hospices, and reaffirmed Government support that | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
schemes like the capital fund for hospices, which my local hospice | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
are currently applying? First of all, can I wish him every good luck | :43:43. | :43:49. | |
for the London Marathon. It is more than I am capable of, I can | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
reassure him. We are continuing to support children's hospices by | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
carrying on with the �10 million funding. We have added an | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
additional �720,000, by making �60 million of capital funding | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
available to adults and children hospices. In the coalition | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
agreement, a full audit of which will be published today - we will | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
be demonstrating how we will fulfil our pledge for a per patient | :44:16. | :44:24. | |
funding system for palliative care. It will help or hospices. Can the | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
Prime Minister confirm that single mum, Magee from my constituency, | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
who works all the hours she can in Tesco, but does not earn enough to | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
gain from the new tax allowances, will, after these changes to tax | :44:37. | :44:45. | |
credit and Universal Credit, be a staggering �1,255 a year worse off? | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
Everybody is affected by these changes. Everyone on tax credits | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
will be affected by the fact there is only a 1% increase. Everyone on | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
out-of-work benefits will be affected by the fact there is only | :44:57. | :45:03. | |
a 1% increase. But the question is, if we are saving �5 billion through | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
these changes, which I believe our fair, how is it the party opposite | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
would fill in as �5 billion black hole? Would they take it off the | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
NHS? Take it off the defence budget? It is time we had some | :45:16. | :45:23. | |
questions from the party opposite. Can I thank the coalition | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
Government for allocating �10.7 million to Edinburgh Super | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
connected city with. It will revolutionise internet use been | :45:31. | :45:37. | |
part of my constituency. But like constituents are frustrated at | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
Edinburgh council's year-long procurement process. What can we do | :45:42. | :45:51. | |
It's vitally important that everyone has access to broadband | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
and increasingly we have the overwhelming access to superfast. I | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
suspect that Edinburgh City Council has seen some of the same problems | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
that councils up and down the country have seen about getting | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
state aid clearance. We now have that for broadband in England, but | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
I'm happy to look at his situation, but that's been one of the problems | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
that has been holding back this vital programme. You shouldn't have | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
to fill in long forms from the Revenue, you're working, you need | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
help, we want to help you. I'm sure the Prime Minister recognises his | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
words to families receiving child benefit. How many families could | :46:29. | :46:35. | |
face a fine for not filling out a long tax form? The point about the | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
child benefit change is that 85% of families who receive child benefit | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
will go on getting that benefit. But the question we all have to ask | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
is, is it right for people earning �20,000 or �30,000 to go on giving | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
child benefit to people earning �70 or �90,000? We don't believe it is | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
right, but apparently the Labour Party think it's right to give | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
child benefit to millionaires. We don't think that's a good use of | :47:00. | :47:09. | |
money. The Prime Minister rightly recognises that there needs to be a | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
new relationship between this country and the EU. He has said, | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
and I agree, that the British people must be offered a real | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
choice with regard to our continued membership. I hope he can confirm | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
to the House that it's his intention to seek a fresh | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
settlement and then to seek the consent of the British people to | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
that settlement. I can confirm that is exactly what I believe this | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
country should do. I think it's the right thing for Britain, because I | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
think it's right that we are involved in the single market, we | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
are active players in the EU, but there are changes we would like in | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
our relationship that would be good for Britain and Europe. I think | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
because of the changes taking place in the eurozone, which is driving a | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
lot of change in the EU, there's every opportunity to achieve that | :47:50. | :47:59. | |
settlement and then seek consent for it. A college of Lord March | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
land's said he likes foreign travel, meeting foreign leaders, but he's | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
not too keen on the detailed policy of his new job, I wonder if the | :48:08. | :48:15. | |
Prime Minister knows anybody else like that? Is that - all morning | :48:15. | :48:24. | |
he's had to this of that -- had to think of that! It's important that | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
we ministers in both Houses who are linking up with the fast-growing | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
countries in the world and that's why our exports to China are up 50% | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
and to India 50% and we are connecting Britain with the fast- | :48:37. | :48:47. | |
:48:47. | :48:55. | ||
growing parts of the world. Bearing in mind that Bills that may be | :48:55. | :49:02. | |
thought to effect the Royal prerogative require the sig -- sig | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
indication of the -- the signature of the Queen at second reading, can | :49:08. | :49:14. | |
the Prime Minister tell us whether he has yet heard from the Palace | :49:14. | :49:23. | |
whether if regards any of the major constitutional changes proposed in | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
the suck succession to the crown bill is intruding on the Royal | :49:28. | :49:38. | |
:49:38. | :49:38. | ||
prerogative or on the corn nation both, which the Queen took? -- core | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
nation oath, which the Queen took? Throughout the process of bringing | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
forward this proposal, which is a proposal that the heads of all the | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
Commonwealth realms have also signed up, throughout that process, | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
there's been very, very thorough contact between Number Ten and | :49:55. | :50:04. | |
between the Palace. All of the issues are settled and agreed. | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
People in high flood risk areas cannot understand why the | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
Government has effectively abandoned efforts to reach | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
agreements with the industry and fear they will not be able to | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
insure their homes after June 2013. Why is the Prime Minister fiddling | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
while the country floods? I'm happy to put the honourable gentleman | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
right. The discussions are still under way. They've made very good | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
progress. I'm confident that we will reach an agreement, as he said. | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
The current agreement doesn't run out until June this year. I'm | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
regularly updated on the discussions. I know from my own | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
constituency, which has been subjected to regular flooding, just | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
how important they are. We have put in an extra �120 million in terms | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
of flood defences and I think everyone can now see that the flood | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
defence work that has been done over recent years has made a | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
significant difference when we have had high levels of rainfall. | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
the Prime Minister confirm to the House that disability benefits are | :51:06. | :51:12. | |
being uprated as usual and will not be subject to changes? She is | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
entirely right. Disability living allowance, which is the key benefit | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
received by disabled people, is not subject to the 1% cut. The cap is | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
for benefits that are for people in the in-work benefits area. It's | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
very important we go on paying disability living allowance in the | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
way we have been. Can the Prime Minister confirm that my | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
constituent who is a nurse, as well as a single father to two children, | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
will lose �400 a year as a result of the Chancellor's cuts to child | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
benefit and other benefits? result of the cuts to child benefit | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
are that the best-off 15% families in this country will no longer | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
receive child benefit at all. That is what is going to happen. That | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
safes around �2 billion a year and again, Labour has now voted against | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
83 billion of welfare changes. You have to start filling in the blanks | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
of where you are going to make up this money. I think it is right | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
that we say to people earning �60 up to �80,000 or more you shouldn't | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
be receiving child benefit. It's not an easy decision. The | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
Government is about making decisions and frankly opposition is | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
frankly about making them too. I recommend that the Prime Minister | :52:27. | :52:33. | |
takes a look at Monday's excellent backbench debate on corporate tax | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
avoidance and can I ask what he hopes to achieve on this vital | :52:36. | :52:42. | |
issue at the G8? I will certainly look closely at the debate and read | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
the Hansard, because this is a vital issue for not just our | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
country, but it needs to be settled internationally. That is why I've | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
put the issue of corporate tax avoidance at the heart of the G8 | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
this year. We are also looking closely at what we can do here in | :52:58. | :53:05. | |
the UK. Further to the question from my friend in Hacky South, may | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
I ask the Prime Minister what estimate he has made of the number | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
of families who are still unaware they are no longer aware to child | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
benefit, particularly bearing in mind the bill will come through the | :53:19. | :53:28. | |
nation's letterboxes in April 2015?! Obviously, we have written | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
out to 800,000 families. There's been a huge advertising cam tape. | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
This has been properly covered right across the media. I have to | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
say, it's absolutely extraordinary, in a week when Labour are | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
complaining about difficult welfare decisions for people who are in | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
work and for people who are out of work, they also want to make a | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
priority of opposing taking away child benefit from people earning | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
�100,000 or �150,000. You really have to start taking some | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
responsible decisions about how we deal with our deficit and get our | :54:01. | :54:10. | |
economy under control. Will the Prime Minister join me in | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
congratulating the businessman and entrepreneurs and staff who work at | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
the job centre in my constituency, whose efforts over the last two- | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
and-a-half years have ensured that unemployment in my constituency is | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
down by a quarter since last election? I will certainly join my | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
honourable friend. People in our job centres in the country do an | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
excellent job helping people to find work and to make sure they get | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
all the help they need. The fact is that the unemployment rate today is | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
now lower than the rate that we inherited at the last election. | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
Over the last year, job creation in Britain was faster than in any | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
other G7 country. We still have a long way to go to rebalance the | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
economy, to get the growth in the private sector that we need. | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
However, we are on the right track. One million new private sector jobs | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
over the last two years. The fastest rate of new business | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
creation for decades. There are good signs that the economy's | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
rebalancing. We need to encourage that by staying on top of our | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
deficit and getting the deficit down, rather than just giving in on | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
every decision as we have seen today from the Labour Party. | :55:13. | :55:20. | |
According to the Children's Society, up to 40,000 soldiers, 150,000 | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
teachers and 300,000 nurses will lose out as a result of his | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
decision to cut tax credits and other benefits. Why are hard- | :55:29. | :55:37. | |
working people like this paying for his economic failure? | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
honourable lady needs to remember why we are having to take the | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
decisions in the first place. It's to deal with the record budget | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
deficit for the mess left by the Labour Party. That is the | :55:46. | :55:52. | |
background to this. But the real question about public sector | :55:52. | :55:56. | |
workers and soldiers and teachers and people who work in our public | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
services, they are being restricted to a 1% increase, so why on earth | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
does the Labour Party think that people on out-of-work benefits | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
should see their incomes go up faster? That is the question you | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
need to answer. We are being fair, because we are restricting the | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
increase on tax credits, on public sector pay, but also asking the | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
same of those on out-of-work welfare. What we see that is unfair | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
is backing the public sector pay increase, but wanting welfare to go | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
through the roof. It's wrong and not fair and Labour must see they | :56:29. | :56:37. | |
have to change their mind. Last week I visited TH White Group and | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
herd about their healthy order book and recruitment plans for this year. | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
However, like many British employers, they cannot find enough | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
engineers to hire. Britain's universities lead the world in | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
teaching science and engineering and yet we have an annual short | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
fall of 60,000 graduates and nine out of ten post-graduate students | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
in those subjects are from overseas what more can we do to plug this | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
critical skills gap? I think she is entirely right and we have to | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
tackle this problem at every level. That means making sure we are | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
teaching maths and science and stem subjects properly in schools and | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
there are signs that the number of people taking those subjects are | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
increasing. We need to make sure that universities are properly | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
funded and tuition fees will make sure that is the case. We also need | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
to raise the profile about engineering and that's one of the | :57:26. | :57:33. | |
reasons why we introduce the �1 million prize for engineering. That | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
combined with the 34 university technical colleges will help to | :57:35. | :57:41. | |
make sure we train the engineers we need for the future. It's more | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
important than ever in Northern Ireland that we seek to continue | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
moving forward, away from violence. We need to create stability and I'm | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
sure the Prime Minister will agree that full participation in and | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
support for the political and democratic process by everybody, so | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
the people's issued can be addressed and politicians address | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
those is vital. In that context and the context of what is happening, | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
will the Prime Minister agree to meet with us to discuss the | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
forthcoming legislation in Northern Ireland, so we can look at measures | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
to increase democratic participation by people in deprived | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
communities, look at the deplorable state of the electoral register in | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
Northern Ireland, which is in a bad state and also deal with the | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
discrimination against elected members of this House from Northern | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
Ireland, who play by the rules while others get money while not | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
taking their seats? All that needs to be addressed. I agree to meet. | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
We have a meeting with a number of members of his party straight after | :58:35. | :58:42. | |
to talk about the issue of how to make sure we can cover the military | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
covenant. He makes a number of points. I would throw back that | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
part of the challenge to him and his party, as to others, we need to | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
build a shared future in Northern Ireland, where we breakdown the | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
barriers, barriers of segregation that have been in place for many, | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
many years and I think that is part of the challenge to take away many | :59:01. | :59:06. | |
of the tensions that we have seen in recent days. Just in case | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
anybody was ever in any doubt, could the Prime Minister confirm | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
who he is closest to politically? Is this Lord Tebbit or the Deputy | :59:15. | :59:23. | |
Prime Minister? I managed to get through Christmas without spending | :59:23. | :59:33. | |
:59:33. | :59:34. | ||
any time with either of them. I am closer to all Conservatives than I | :59:34. | :59:44. | |
:59:44. | :59:46. | ||
am to anyone from any other party. Yesterday the Secretary of State | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
for Health received a report recommending that the downgrading | :59:50. | :59:55. | |
of maternity services and closure of the A&E department at Lewisham | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
hospital, does the Prime Minister recall the coalition promise to end | :00:00. | :00:04. | |
the enforced closure of A&E and maternity services? If this is not | :00:04. | :00:09. | |
to be on the list of broken promises will he ensure that these | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
closures do not go ahead? What the Government and I specifically | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
promised is that there should be no closures or no re-organisations | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
unless they had the support from the GP commissioners and unless | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
there was public and patient engagement and evidence. Let me be | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
absolutely clear. Unlike under the last government, when the closures | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
and changes were imposed in a top- down way, if they do not immediate | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
those criteria they will not happen. The Prime Minister will remember | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
that this House gave the green light to stem Cel research some | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
years ago. We now find that the court of justice of the EU is | :00:50. | :00:58. | |
hindering progress by bringing into question the patent researches. | :00:58. | :01:08. | |
Will the Prime Minister do what he can to clear the block snadges | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
blockages? He makes an important point, because it's a competitive | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
advantage that we have in this country, that we took difficult | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
decisions about stem Cel research. It's important that we continue to | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
lead in that area, not only for economic and scientific reasons, | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
but because we want to make sure that people with long-term | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
conditions, that children with disabilities and other concerns, | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
that we crack those problems for the future and without that level | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
of research I don't believe we shall. I'll look carefully and | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
write to him with an answer. Is the Prime Minister proud of the growth | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
of food banks across this country, including in my own constituency? | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
Has he visited one and if not, will he? I'm proud of the fact that in | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
this country there are one million more people in work than they were | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
when this Government came to office, that we have made sure that the | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
lowest paid are not paying income tax, that we protected the poorest | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
families in our country. I'm proud of all of those things. But unlike | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
him, I don't look down or talk down at people who work hard in our | :02:07. | :02:17. | |
:02:17. | :02:25. | ||
The first Prime Minister's Questions of 2013. Just two more | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
years of back to go until the next election. The leader of the | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
opposition went on this about to be published Government marking of its | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
own homework. What promises it kept, what it hasn't. It did not deliver | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
it with the mid-term assessment and Monday afternoon. But it is coming | :02:46. | :02:52. | |
out this afternoon. No doubt that is what will dominate tonight, as | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
we seek what promises the Government has kept. Interesting Ed | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
Miliband went on that rather than continuing the argument yesterday | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
on capping of welfare payments. We will ask why he did that in a few | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
moments, but first we get what you thought of it. | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
The Ed Miliband might have gone on something different, but dealers | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
focused on the welfare debate. A lady in Manchester so this | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
Government is only hitting workers on low incomes. My husband as a | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
civil servant and has not seen his wage rise for two years. I am a | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
carer for a disabled daughter. This from Ray Jones in Kent. Today | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
I witnessed again, Ed Miliband going on about broken promises when | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
he chooses not to recognise the world is a different place than | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
when those promises were made. Jacklin says, someone needs to be | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
putting a stop to the campaign of hatred with shirkers and strivers | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
nonsense. Mr Miliband does little to inspire confidence. | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
Another man says, Ed Miliband had an open goal, had six attempts but | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
missed the goal. And David in Blackburn, but 13 | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
years I have held the view that previous governments have the most | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
incompetent collection of ministers ever assembled. Now, I am not so | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
sure. Interesting scene, on the one hand | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
you have the Government worried about some aspects of the welfare | :04:20. | :04:29. | |
debate. Hence a couple of questions allowing the Prime Minister to say, | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
we're not freezing that benefits, we're not freezing VAT benefit, | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
pensioners will be fine. Ed Miliband went on the publication of | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
the document about promises kept and promises broken. It was a gift | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
Ed Miliband could not resist. You open your newspaper this morning, | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
and there is the story that Government tried to bury, an | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
assessment of their own broken promises. In a sense, when you are | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
leader of the opposition, sometimes you have to go with the news. I | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
think that his wife. But but sides are nervous. There is no doubt that | :05:08. | :05:18. | |
:05:18. | :05:20. | ||
Labour, they have fought very hard on the idea of welfare. He will be | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
seen as being a friend of shirkers and not workers. Plus the Tories | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
are nervous. A whole series of planted questions by Government | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
whips, allowing the Prime Minister to produce these facts as PMQs was | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
going on. We are not hitting the disabled, we are not hitting | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
pensioners. It suggests to me, along with their abandonment of the | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
wording of workers and shirkers. You won't hear them using it any | :05:53. | :06:01. | |
more. David Cameron and Nick Clegg made it clear that they won't use | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
it. You're getting a nervousness on both sides of politics, as they | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
tried to grapple with this will Furman them. Does this mean you | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
will desist from using this language? I have used it before | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
reporting a conversation I had on a doorstep in my constituency. | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
said at the Labour conference, many people on the doorstep at the last | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
election felt too often we were for the shirkers and not the workers. | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
The new told the London School of Economics last year, we are the | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
party of workers, not shirkers. Who are the shirkers? There are people | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
in Britain who we do not think are doing enough to get a job. What I | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
was doing was reporting conversations I had on the doorstep | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
in my own constituency. What we won't do is use this as a political | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
strategy in the way George Osborne tried to do when he presented his | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
wealth or built. This well For our rating Bill is not needed. Non- | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
Labour Government comes to Parliament. George Osborne wanted | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
to frame this in unnecessary legislation to force the vote so he | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
could try and present Labour as on the wrong side of an argument. What | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
he forgot to tell the House when he presented the Budget, is that | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
overwhelmingly, this bill hits tax credits and 68% of the people hit | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
are in work. We did a lot of that at the beginning of the programme. | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
You were worried Labour was seen as a party of shirkers and not workers, | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
why was that? I heard those conversations from my constituents. | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
Why do people think that? I think there is the sense we did not move | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
fast enough to reform incapacity benefit. We introduced some | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
important changes. We wanted to test it, and get it right. The | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
Government went on a different approach, and now we have the chaos | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
in the work capability assessment. They moved to fast before getting | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
the foundations strong. This is an important debate and we have said, | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
there is a Labour way to bring down spending, there is a Tory wait. The | :08:11. | :08:21. | |
:08:21. | :08:21. | ||
Labour way his -- the Tory rate is to hit her working people. Up to | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
the crash in 2008, employment rose in this country, unemployment | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
wasn't rising. But the welfare bill still rose. The wood two parts of | :08:33. | :08:42. | |
the welfare bill, it went up by �70 billion. Overwhelmingly it was | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
pensions and tax credits. We make no apology for and reducing tax | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
credits. But my point is, you were saying that if only unemployment | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
would come down further, if there was more people in work, we would | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
cut the welfare bill. You had more people in employment, and the | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
welfare bill rose under Labour. What happens to out-of-work | :09:07. | :09:16. | |
benefits? GSA, BSA, income support and housing benefit fell by �7.8 | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
billion. But the welfare bill rose, even at the time of rising | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
employment and living standards, over all, you increased spending on | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
welfare. You can have the semantic conversation or you like. Pensioner | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
went up by 30 billion ANH tax credits went up by nearly 30 | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
billion. We think those are good things. I understand, but it does | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
not automatically follow, as the experience of the last Labour | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
Government has shown, just because unemployment is falling and | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
unemployment is rising, welfare goes down. We think there are good | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
parts to the social security system, tax credits and pensions. Tax | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
credits mean you are better off in work. Tax credits have been cut so | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
hard you are better off... could earn �60,000 a year and get | :10:09. | :10:18. | |
tax credits and the you? You could earn �60,000 a year under Labour | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
and get tax credits for stopped giving it is right? We said over | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
the last couple of years there should have been an increase in the | :10:26. | :10:36. | |
:10:36. | :10:43. | ||
Tax credits have been hit so hard, you are better off on benefits than | :10:43. | :10:50. | |
you are in work. Working families are being forced to pay. During the | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
last decade, welfare spending in real terms went up by 45%. It | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
represents a total today one in every �3 that is raised in taxes. | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
It was a Budget out of control. When Liam used divisive language | :11:06. | :11:16. | |
talking about shirkers... Please let me answer. You had trouble | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
answering the question, I want to help out. The problem is, he did | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
and want to acknowledge the reality. I wish he would be honest again | :11:25. | :11:33. | |
when he was talking about there being no money left. I want him to | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
acknowledge the welfare budget was out of control. If you are going to | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
deal with the largest deficit of any industrialised country when we | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
came to power, you have to deal with the welfare budget. If this is | :11:47. | :11:54. | |
you helping him out, what are you like when you are being unhelpful? | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
This is a debate we might have to have until 2015. What I thought was | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
interesting about the debate yesterday was David Miliband's | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
contributions. He stood up and said, I don't want any more to have an | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
argument that says if Labour is opposed to a welfare cap, that it | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
is in favour of higher deficits and more borrowing. I want to have a | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
debate about what changes you want to make. It is an interesting | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
debate. If Labour are going to say they are uncomfortable with this 1% | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
blanket cap on a series of benefits and tax credits as well, and | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
certain Liberal Democrats like Charles Kennedy us saying, we want | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
to amend the Bill. Are there things they would like to cut more in | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
order to allow tax credits to rise with inflation. Pension benefits, | :12:50. | :12:59. | |
for example. On the front pages today, he I am doing a programme on | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
Radio Four at 8pm tonight. Do you means test winter fuel allowance or | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
the bus pass? Is that a debate you want to get going? We want to bring | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
down out of work benefits. More people should be got into work. | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
That is what is happening. They can only be two years you can spend on | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
JSA. We have said there is a cap on the amount of time you can spend on | :13:28. | :13:35. | |
JSA. It you cannot get a job, we will invest in making sure there is | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
one for you. It is a clear message we want to send. We are the party | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
of work. Bringing down unemployment is how you make welfare savings | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
first. It is only the start of what is going to be a big debate. Nick | :13:50. | :14:00. | |
:14:00. | :14:06. | ||
Robinson, thanks for being with us. Mind you Cup. -- my new Cup. | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
If you are watching this in Birmingham and want to get to | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
London in a hurry, help is at hand. The Government is planning to build | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
a new high-speed line connecting the capital and the West Midlands. | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
But you'll have to wait until 2026 to use it! Later this month, the | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
Secretary of State for Transport is expected to announce the route for | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
phase two of the scheme connecting the East Midlands, Manchester and | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
Leeds. But the High Speed Rail scheme or HS2 as it's known, has | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
its opponents. Former cabinet minister, Cheryl Gillan, described | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
it as a cancer at the weekend. And campaigners have gone to court to | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
get the project delayed, altered or stopped. Nowhere has opposition | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
been as vigorous as in the Chilterns, where the actor, | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
Geoffrey Palmer, lives. We asked him to explain why he's so opposed | :14:43. | :14:53. | |
:14:53. | :14:58. | ||
I had lived in the Chilterns for nearly 50 years. Lovely countryside | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
and an Area of Outstanding, natural beauty. It is quiet and peaceful. | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
But it will mark the on much longer if Mr Cameron thrusts a high-speed | :15:07. | :15:13. | |
railway from Birmingham to London through it. It will cost equivalent | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
of 60 hospitals. It would be the most expensive railway in the world | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
and the single most expensive infrastructure project undertaken | :15:22. | :15:28. | |
by a British Government. Do we need it? The Government, having lost the | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
business and Baron mental arguments, last year the Transport Secretary | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
said the reason she was giving the project to go ahead is because we | :15:36. | :15:43. | |
were sitting on a capacity time bomb. If we don't act now, the West | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
Coast Main Line will be full. But now we know her figures were wrong. | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
Just last month, after several appeals under the Freedom of | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
Information Act, the Government was forced, reluctantly to disclose the | :15:57. | :16:07. | |
true, official figures. They show that in 2011, during the evening | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
rush-hour from 4pm until 7pm on weekdays, long-distance trains | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
leaving Euston station had, on average, just over half of their | :16:16. | :16:26. | |
:16:26. | :16:32. | ||
For me, that's it. End of story. We don't need it. So, Mr Cameron, stop | :16:32. | :16:42. | |
:16:42. | :16:45. | ||
this vanity project and leave our Jeffrey Palmer couldn't have been | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
clearer and here with us is Stephanie Boston the director of | :16:50. | :17:00. | |
:17:00. | :17:01. | ||
Conserve the Chilterns and Countryside. There is political | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
commitment to this project. Is your campaign effectively over? It's | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
going to happen. Absolutely not. Please don't think for one minute, | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
despite the fact we have been called NIMBYs we are not anti-high | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
speed rail. You just don't want it through your area? We don't believe | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
that the current route is the right route for a number of reasons. | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
Indeed, even in April this year, at a Public Accounts Committee, which | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
was reviewing the lessons that could be learned from HS1 the major | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
projects authority highlighted this project as being on amber and red. | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
That means viability is actually in question. Now, that report has not | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
been released, despite a letter to Frances Maude, signed by 12 MPs and | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
despite many requests from many other people. We have not had | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
access to that. It seems that the Government are ploughing ahead. | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
They are not considering all the other proposals that have been put | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
forward. Where would you like the route to go? The best route we can | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
currently see is the Heene row hub route. That still goes through the | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
Chilterns, but it's in a tunnel, and it provides more connectivity | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
and the connectivity that was originally specified by the | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
Government, is it picks up on Crossrail and at strad Ford to go | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
to Europe and it goes -- Stratford to go to Europe and it goes north | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
to Birmingham, which are on the current route and west as well. Can | :18:39. | :18:46. | |
I just add one more point? This Heathrow hub route is also | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
partially privately funded, so I don't know why we are looking at | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
spending all the taxpayers' money when actually there is a better | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
route. It's supported by the institute of directors and Unite | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
and the investors. Why are you ploughing on ahead, to use | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
Stephanie's words, when there is a much better and viable alternative | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
that won't cost as much? I respect Stephanie's case and she is | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
standing up for her region. And the country. But as they said, she is | :19:20. | :19:28. | |
not against HS2 as a concept. We could debate the particular route | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
all day long, but the important thing is, which I don't think came | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
through in the clip, there is going to be a capacity problem. | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
Projections do show that by the mid-2020s there will be a capacity | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
issue on the West Coast Main Line. Why do the figures show something | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
completely different? Long-distance trains leaving Euston on week days, | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
between 4pm and 7pm, only 52% of seats were occupied on peak trains | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
it went down to as low as 34%? That is not capacity. We are looking | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
ahead to 2026. You are saying it's going to be right up to 100%? | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
course. It's been growing. If you look at the trends in the last | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
decades, it's been going up. Not just on the West Coast Main Line, | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
but across the country. The question really is that we are | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
going to need new capacity in the UK and when we develop that | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
capacity should we have traditional rail lines that are outof date, or | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
modern rail lines -- out of date, or modern rail lines like the | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
countries we are competing with? You are both West Midlands MPs? Is | :20:35. | :20:42. | |
the money well spent here, Liam Byrne, bearing on mind it won't be | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
online until 2026? Of course. There are already huge capacity issues | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
within the West Midlands. It's the cross-roads of the country and | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
unless you can get trains through it, then it has a knock-on impact | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
on the rest of the country. I do think this is a vital bit of | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
infrastructure. With one condition, which is that they don't build a | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
marshalling yard taking out a third of the industrial land in the city | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
of Birmingham, which is in my constituency. That site is better | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
developed more thousands of jobs. Overall, this infrastructure is | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
right. I think HS2 and their leaderboard needs to do a -- | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
leadership, needs to do a better job about listening. There are big | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
concerns about the hub in London. Also concerns in Birmingham. Let's | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
try to get as much support as possible behind the route and lock | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
it down and let's get on. We need it, but they need to listen to | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
valid concerns. Stephanie, what do you say to that? I do believe that | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
we shouldn't modernise the country and my group do as well and so do | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
many people, but it's how we do. Aat some point we will reach | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
capacity, but we have time to consider how to do it right. This | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
is the biggest infrastructure project in the history of the UK. | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
We must investigate every option and there are voices clamouring to | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
the Government to say, why rush this through? Why deposit this | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
hybrid Bill within the five-year term? Is it a legacy project for | :22:10. | :22:16. | |
David Cameron? Is that why? If you look at the environment assessment | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
we have not, considering this is going through a major consultation, | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
we have not covered them proper. We'll have the results on the | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
judicial reviews at the end of the month. There are bet are routes for | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
the rest of the country. Thank you very much for making your case. So, | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
its been 10 years and something like 1,500 programmes since we | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
first brought you the Daily Politics. We've lived through boom, | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
we've lived through bust. We've seen Mr Blair and Mr Brown ride off | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
into the sunset and a coalition of former enemies emerge. There have | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
been Budgets, election campaigns and periodic outbursts of loathing | :22:56. | :23:05. | |
across the Despatch Boxes that would make your hair curl. Thank | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
you for watching, if you've stuck with us throughout the last decade. | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
And, just to celebrate this landmark in public service | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
broadcasting, well, maybe, more of a bump than a landmark, here are a | :23:15. | :23:25. | |
:23:25. | :23:35. | ||
Good morning, folks. It's a new year and new term at Westminster | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
and a new look to the BBC's political programmes. Welcome to | :23:40. | :23:49. | |
the first-ever edition of the Daily Politics. Joining me is George | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
Osborne. Straight to the first caller. It's Bill. The one piece of | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
advice I would give to Bill is there are some pretty clever | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
financial products which enable you to, in effect, pass on your home or | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
the value of your home to your son or daughter and then get personal | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
care paid for by the State. I probably shouldn't be advocating | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
this. And with these people, expect the unexpected! How we provide | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
education and opportunity for children with learning difficulties | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
and disabilities is vitally important. What I want to know is, | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
do you want David Cameron to be Tory leader? When the time comes | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
then I'll make my position absolutely clear. I got in | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
Parliament in 2001. Give me a break! Andrew and Jenny were in | :24:39. | :24:47. | |
confident mood. Under 20 minutes. That's optimistic. It's one mile. | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
Our flowers Andrew and Jenny were wilting. Well, we waited and waited. | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
And there they were, plucky, but pathetic. The cookies are four of | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
the Tory policies that you have stolen. David Cameron gets a policy | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
and 24 hours later it's in tatters. It's in pieces. Because you stole | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
it. Would you like to be Prime Minister? I'm very, very happy. No, | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
no, no. I'm very happy. They are shouting, yes. I'm very, very happy | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
doing what - you know and I know how lucky am to be in the job I am. | :25:20. | :25:27. | |
Lucky, lucky, lucky, Boris. We are joined by Peppa Pig. The question | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
to the Labour Party is you have all the Civil Servants and all the data. | :25:33. | :25:43. | |
:25:43. | :25:47. | ||
We have a mug for you. Have a bite of that Oh, yeah. Delicious! It's a | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
glorious day opposite Parliament here in the heart of Westminster. | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
Oh, yes, and the studio's also run out of power. I told Anita to get a | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
shilling. I'm wearing a frock with no pockets for change, so sorry | :26:01. | :26:11. | |
:26:11. | :26:13. | ||
about that. I'm sometimes mistaken for a former England team football | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
manager, but one thing you'll never mistake me for is a Liberal | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
Democrat. We are celebrating the coalition's first birthday with a | :26:19. | :26:29. | |
:26:29. | :26:30. | ||
cake. Would you like to join in? That's what Lord Prescott thinks! | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
Welcome to the new all-singing and dancing Daily Politics. I know you | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
and Mr Osborne like to play up differences, but when you drill | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
into the figures you are not that far apart. When I talked about the | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
equivalents the viewing figures plummeted so I'll not get into that | :26:47. | :26:55. | |
again. The bonus tax will raise much? I haven't got quite the - I | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
know we have worked out that figure. I'll have to get back to you on | :26:58. | :27:08. | |
:27:08. | :27:18. | ||
that. Cup, saucer or thorm os! -- thermos! # Happy birthday to you. | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
# Happy birthday to you. # Happy birthday dear Daily | :27:21. | :27:31. | |
:27:31. | :27:32. | ||
Politics. # Happy birthday to you! | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
Did you bake that? Nick Robinson knew there would be cake. Are you | :27:36. | :27:46. | |
:27:46. | :27:47. | ||
ready, one, two, three. I'm covered in glitter! This is why Nick has | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
come. I've been given a knife, but I've been told not to use it. Who | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
is going to answer that question?! What a wonderful cake. We'll have | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
that now. You have have to answer the quiz. Time for the result of | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
the Guess the Year competition. Very, very easy this week, really. | :28:05. | :28:14. | |
Yes, it was... 2003. You press the buzzer, Liam. Look behind. Two | :28:14. | :28:21. | |
winners. Emma and Lynne. Of course, we have two winners. Nick, thank | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
you for coming in to share. Thanks to all the viewers who sent | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
birthday wishes on our tenth anniversary. Will we let the guests | :28:30. | :28:37. | |
have a piece of cake? We will, but it's capped at 1%! We are dividing | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
it equally. Except for pensioners and the disabled. Happy birth, | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
Andrew? Thank you. And to you too. Thanks to all of the guests over | :28:44. | :28:48. |