23/09/2014 Daily Politics

Welcome to Manchester, where Ed Miliband it about to make his last

big conference speech his last before next year's General Election.

The Labour Leader will get to his feet in about 20 minutes -

we'll bring it to you live and uninterrupted.

Afternoon folks, and welcome to this Daily Politics.

It's only a short walk for Ed Miliband and his wife, Justine, from

the Midland Hotel to the Conference Centre here in Manchester which we

are waiting for in the next few minutes. We're told the NHS will

figure strongly in his speech and that taxes on houses worth over ?2

million, on hedge funds and tobacco companies, will be used to bolster

NHS finances. That suggests a core vote strategy rather than anything

too radical. We'll have the speech, interviews and analysis here and Jo

Coburn, who's out and about in the Conference centre. So we're on air

Until 3:45pm this afternoon, and maybe later. With me is the former

Minister Charlie Falconer and the BBC's political Editor Nick

Robinson. Labour Cabinet his speech will be 80

minutes, is that wise? I think people are willing to hear it,

particularly at a party conference. Taxing things that Labour may regard

as bad, like big houses over ?2 million, hedge funds, tobacco

companies to pay for the NHS, that is pretty much the core strategy,

isn't it? Remember in 1997 Tony Blair introduced attacks on the

banks to introduce a variety of employment programmes... He had a

windfall tax on utilities. That's right, but it was not regarded as

being a core strategy. He didn't campaign on that. Economic

responsibility was a vital part of the package. I think what Ed is

doing is saying that he can properly fund it. I think the wider public

would regard these as reasonable choices to make. The problem is that

none of these things may bring in very much money. The Office for

Budget Responsibility will look at these proposals and it will be

possible for the public to have an independent verification or not is

the case may be if the sums add up. At the moment we don't really know

how much a mansion tax would bring in, and would it just be the hedge

funds or all asset management? We don't what they mean by attacks on

the tobacco companies. And nobody can properly say what the details

are. I'm sure if you know the broad and bit you can work out whether it

will work or not. Why does this not feel like a conference that is on

the brink of power? I think it does feel like a conference on the brink

of power. I think there is a real sense we must be disciplined and

determined. It is also a conference sandwiched between two other great

events, the referendum, which is an event of such great electricity that

it is difficult to compete with that, and the issues in relation to

the Middle East and in particular the use of force, the prospective

use of force by the UK Government, they are making people see things in

a different way than normal. It is a problem when you are a politician,

you can get overshadowed by events, whether it is the Scottish

referendum or now the bombing is not just of Iraq but also Syria, and we

understand that at three o'clock this afternoon the president will

make a speech, British time. Obviously the Labour Party

conference is one thing going on in the world but I don't think that in

any way detracts from the mood here. It does make it less... It makes it

less excited because there is more focus going on in Scotland. You are

ahead in the polls at the moment. For a while. Three years. But Ed

Miliband himself has not been ahead in the polls. He is yet to convince

the British voter that he is prime ministerial. And that in some

respects will be determined by the prospectus he makes to the British

people, and today is plainly about what the prospectus is. I think it

is interesting that one of the things that came out of the Scottish

referendum was that the public do want change. A prospectus for change

has got to be laid out by the opposition leader. What also came

out of the Scottish referendum was that Ed Miliband was almost of no

importance whatsoever. I think the choice being given to the Scottish

people was in a sense either stick with politics as it is, or abandon

politics as it is, and I think Alex Salmond tucked into the sort of

insurgency that UKIP has done here. Can you remember Labour leader who

has had less cut through in Scotland than Ed Miliband? Labour leaders

have obtained the loyalty of Scottish voters. For a period of

time Tony Blair was not popular in Scotland. No, but he won landslides

in Scotland. Because people were voting Labour. I think the issues in

the Scottish rent -- referendum were not about Labour. But you could be

pretty sure Tony Blair would have played a major role in the

referendum campaign. I think he would have done, yes. Whereas Ed

Miliband didn't. He played more of a role than David Cameron. Partly

because Gordon Brown at the end... He was called in desperation! He had

a particular authority, and also Gordon represented the voice of

Scotland... He obviously is Labour but it was very much a Scottish

voice he was talking with. It is unavoidable that what was happening

in Scotland was a rejection of British politicians, including

Labour. Let's just go back and have a look at the pictures outside the

conference hall. They are still waiting for Ed Miliband to appear.

If he is running late and planning an 80 minute speech, we could be on

for a long while today. Apparently they were rewriting parts of the

speech up until the last minute, but I think that was probably to take

account of the moving events in the Middle East. Because he has to say

something with authority on what is happening in the Middle East at the

moment. I agree, and I think the role of the opposition in relation

to whether force is used is extremely important. What is the

mood of the party? Is it ready for... I put this in quotes...

Another war in the Middle East? Hold that thought. Here we have the

Labour leader getting a hearty welcome from his own supporters,

along with Justine Greening his wife, who is a lawyer. -- Justine,

his wife. This is always a big occasion in the calendar of any

leader of any of the major parties, the conference speech. You are

speaking to the converted, to the party faithful, you know you will

always get a great welcome. On the other hand expectations are high,

you have got to perform well, not just to reach out to the wider

public but also to send the party faithful away with a spring in their

step as they go knocking on the doors and doing the rounds. He has

disappeared into the conference hall. But not just for the faithful,

because you get huge media coverage. No speech is more

important than the one just before the general election. This is the

trampoline, the jumping off point for the campaign for the general

election, which we know will take place in 2015. It is a very

important speech anyway but particularly important. He has a

reputation for giving strong speeches at these conferences. Last

year he set the weather for a long time with his talk of price freezes

on electric companies. Whether the impact is lasting is another matter.

In a sense, because this is the one before the election, the pressure to

do something important is even bigger. One of the things about Ed

Miliband is that he is a very thoughtful politician. He puts huge

amounts of thought into the conference speech. A lot of time

goes into it so I think he will deliver on the expectations because

the problems facing the leader of the opposition or indeed any leader

at the moment are difficult and complex. Expect something good and

well thought out because that is what Ed is very good at. Let's go to

Jo, because she has been talking to delegates outside the conference

hall. Just about an hour to go until Ed

Miliband delivers his speech. Let's find out what delegates are

expecting. They are queueing up diligently and patiently waiting.

The queue goes almost out of the exhibition hall. Let's ask people

what they are expecting. Are you excited about the speech? Yes, it is

a great occasion and we are waiting to hear what the leader has to say.

Are you excited? Yes, I want to see a firm commitment to what the

changes will be when we come into power in 2015 so I am looking

forward to an inspirational speech. What about you? What do we want to

hear from Ed Miliband? I am excited to hear from Ed Miliband, what he

will do for us when he comes back into power. What do you want him to

do? Freezing the electricity bills and making school dinners free for

children from four years old until 11 years old. Let's move slightly

further up the line and ask these people here. Do you like Ed

Miliband? Yes, I think he is absolutely superb. He stands for the

values of grass roots Labour Party, and he is a strong leader without

falling for the slickness and nonsense that we see from the

Tories. Why is everyone round here saying the conference has been flat?

No, not at all! I think it was him! It was Stephen Pound! It has been

fizzing, this is the champagne conference. Let's come back, so you

don't think it has been flat? No, it has been exciting. I like the fact

they are getting rid of the bedroom tax and also getting rid of zero

contracts. What about if you are looking to the future, can you see

Ed Miliband as a future prime minister? Of course, he is an

intellectual, he is serious and brilliant, I love him. Will that

appealed to blue-collar workers, people with UKIP chomping at the

bit? If they listen to the policies, yes. We have got the policies. We

will stop the privatisation of the NHS, repeal the social care act, get

rid of bedroom tax, all of these policies which will appeal to people

throughout the land. Let's move along here. What about you, madam,

why is it that Ed Miliband's poll ratings are so low? I am a member of

Parliament in north Wales and people in my constituency want to see the

introduction of a higher minimum wage, they want to get rid of the

bedroom tax. With no disrespect to yourselves all the Westminster

bubble. So that is a snapshot of the delegates' views.

We welcome viewers from the BBC News Channel to this special on the

Labour Party conference live from Manchester where Ed Miliband is

about to make the leaders address. We're now going to be on air until

4pm this afternoon to accommodate our briefing that Ed Miliband plans

to speak for 80 minutes for the long, even by modern standards, but

there we go. You will get it all here on the BBC News Channel. Maybe

we can go back to the hall. People have been queueing up for ages to

get in there. You can see it's now filled up. It is an enormous

conference Hall in Manchester. We are sitting in the middle of what

used to be a railway station, the central Manchester railway station,

the huge railway hotel known as the Midland, just across from here, I

can see it through the window. A beautiful big red brick building.

Right in the heart of Manchester. This new world-class conference

facility in the centre of the city. A big crowd for Mr Miliband today.

Of course, that will help the atmosphere because the reason the

conferences have been queueing people, they have been building the

stages, adding to the middle of the hall, to take away people. This is

more like an old-time conference call. And it feels very full. The

conference looks like it's been very, very busy. It's looking great.

An issue which will determine the election, I would suggest, will be

the economy. It usually does. This is another problem for Mr Miliband

because labours economic credibility, even if they are ahead

in the polls, is 25% behind the Conservatives. That polls show but

you can see very significant efforts have been made to make it clear we

are fiscally responsible. The speech by Ed Balls was not going to delight

many Labour activists, and some paper suggested there was some

boring. Bash one of the things we have been

discussing is how you cost out proposals you're going to make in

preserving the National Health Service, you have got to be able to

fund that, so it's going to be careful series speeches. Which

indicate economic responsibility. There seems to be a problem, not

just an economic message but who is delivering it, Ed Balls, and lots of

people see him as part of the regime which reminds them of days where

things went wrong and Labour would rather forget. The Conservative

Party very effectively spent a lot of time in the aftermath of the last

election saying Labour were responsible for the economic crash.

Of course they went, it was a worldwide rush brought about by

banking, which affected the whole world, but I think many people

associate Labour because of that effective campaign by the Tories

with the crash full speed was not our responsibility for them are the

days when Labour could win,... I'm sure you're going to admit it's not

going to be a landslide for all parties. I do think Labour will

win. I don't think landslides are necessarily a thing of the past. I

think establishing a convincing economic narrative and delivering it

to people will deliver for one party or another possibility of some

substantial majorities that, at the moment, the public have yet to up

their mind. We are a four party system in the UK now. UKIP is turned

England into a four party system, like Northern Ireland, Scotland and

Wales. It remains to be seen whether you click on translate their

successes into the general election success. I'm not sure the public

think you are serious as an alternative. We don't know whether

their share of the vote will find their way. Ed Miliband will take to

the stage in just a few minutes. We came into the hall to show you that

and as we wait for him to speak, let's remind ourselves of the events

of the last 12 months in Labour politics. If we win that election in

2015, the next Labour Government will freeze gas and delicacy prices

until the start of 2017. At the next election we will present

a manifesto that explains how we can make the living wage a central part

of our strategy. We need a reckoning with our banks,

not for retribution but for reform. Today I asked to agree the biggest

changes to our party since 1918. Selfie. Would you like a chip? Can I

say to her, she's looking for new challenge, she should try wrestling

a bacon sandwich. This is everyone's flag, everyone's

country, and everyone. Full. A reminder of some of the highlights

of labour's year. A few minutes until Ed Miliband gets to his feet.

There you can see inside the hall, it looks like there's barely a spare

seat. Everybody has grabbed them. You can see behind, Labour's plan

for Britain's future. We're going to hear a lot about plans and we're

told Mr Miliband has a ten year plan in mind and six major parts to this

ten year plan he's going to spell out though I'm sure he's also kept

something up his sleeve. Just to keep us in suspense and to add an

element of novelty to these things. Stalin had a five-year plan so why

does he need a 10-year one? 80 minute speech, 10-year plan, it took

the eight hours. -- Castro. A 10-year plan because there's no

quick fix in relation to the economic issues and maybe with the

alienation issues as well. We have to move fast in Government but the

idea that these things can be fixed quickly is not right, like

reskilling the workforce. It does not happen quickly. This is a

crucial election for Labour to win because of the polls were to be

wrong and against a lot of the wisdom, the Tories were to win an

overall majority, not just coalition, would quickly put through

the boundary changes, 30 or 40 seats to them, English votes for English

laws, and they could be there for quite a while. So you need to win.

If we don't win, they will be those points, but there will also be the

point that we haven't won in the context of a recovery that wasn't

affecting very many people. There has been a long flat-lining period.

Also, we have been along time had in the period polls but not one. Joined

by Nick Robinson, a little late but I may put you into detention later

but not at the moment because we need you. What have we got in store?

More of what we said yesterday, the promised to spend a lot more

annually on the NHS, the talk is it might involve recruiting a lot of

new staff, possibly 34,000 new staff. Not straight away, but by the

end of the first Labour term, if the more one. The idea seems to be to

deal with shortages that everyone has been reading it, in terms of

nurses on wards, GPs, leading to people having to go to the A,

midwives and home care. That seems to be the centrepiece. Partly paid

for by the mansion tax, as I revealed yesterday, and partly by a

new tax on tobacco firms. Attacks on their market share, as I understand

it, and partly paid for by some tax avoidance measures but the detail,

we will have to wait for it for the and hedge funds is? Maybe that's tax

avoidance? There are a series of measures. If you are a Labour spin

doctor, you say you're taxing the bad things, to raise money for the

good things. The NHS. The message they want, tax the rich, tax the tax

avoidance, the people who make us sick rather than make as well, to

pay for the NHS. It may be a very good idea, it may help, but you have

to remember when you hear politicians of any party present

things in these ways, whatever they describe, whatever form of words

they use, it's just public spending and taxes. If you spend ?2.5 billion

extra, that is just a little bit over the NHS budget, 3% annually, on

that budget. What really matters is the baseline. The baseline depends

on the growth of the economy, the size of the deficit, and so on and

so forth, and you also have to remember, which is least been

discussed at this conference, the thing which allows Labour to promise

more spending is not simply new tax measures, though they are important,

but that they have looser borrowing rules for the next parliament than

George Osborne would have and according to the Institute for

Fiscal Studies, it allows them to raise many billions of pounds a year

extra compared with a Tory Government. They would say because

they are behaving more sensibly in the way they manage the public

finances. People will wonder how Labour can have looser borrowing

rules than the Government. It's a question of what you have is your

objective. How worried about debt and the deficit are you? And Labour

politicians I think would argue that yes, you should be worried, but

there is a balance between that and what is necessary to pay for public

services and ensuring you don't shrink the economy because you are

taking so much demand out. These are raw judgements in the end. Not

black-and-white decisions. George Osborne's policy is to try to end

the deficit by 2018, and Labour politicians will be able to tell you

again and again, he would've ended it by now so he is off target now,

already borrowing billions of pounds more than he planned to but that it

is objective to do it. They are taking a different objective. The

politics of this, if the NHS are taking centre stage in this speech,

and ways of raising money is for the NHS, does that suggest a

reinforcement of what has been known as the core strategy? Get out the

35% of the Labour vote, because of the electoral arithmetic, could give

you an overall majority? It will motivate the call voters but hard to

argue most voters don't care about the NHS. In that sense, I'm nervous

of this description of things as call vote strategies. I challenge

you to go into Manchester and find someone to say, who don't care about

the NHS. Even people with private health-insurance find themselves

dependent on the health service for the urgent treatment, long-term

care, when they are close to death for example. There is not money

people in this country don't care about the NHS. Also does not money

people who know that for the NHS, that is part of the Labour Party's

reason to exist. Why the need to make that a centrestage appeal?

Labour is way ahead in the public opinion polls on the NHS also

arguably, they have sorted that issue. Their problem is they are

behind on economic credibility and immigration. Ed Miliband is looking

for some weight to say to people Labour would make a difference to

your lives. At the same time as Ed Balls is saying, don't promise to

spend this and that. We haven't got the money. It's going to be

difficult, we have to make cuts, and the NHS allows them to square that

circle. If the money was being promised for other measures, albeit

good schemes, potentially, I think they would be walking into a trap

with the Tories could say, same old Labour, spend, tax and borrow. The

Tories who have difficulty with this policy. It is neatly packaged, tax

the wealthy to pay for the health service. Frankly, if the thought of

political conjuring, if you like, that George Osborne likes for the

remember when he said I'm going to cut inheritance tax that get the

non-dons, the Melfi to paper that. This is what opposition does,

symbolism. -- the wealthy. The problem is that oppositions

don't make the weather, the Government is in charge, and I would

not rule out that at some stage between now and the next Budget or

-- in March next year, George Osborne might well find two or 3

million that he will put into the NHS. I agree, but the announcement

of the mansion tax that George Osborne made, what about the energy

that made. And I suspect NHS announcements will make the weather

coming out of this stage, there is a sense that delays are increasing in

the NHS, there is an issue about whether there will be a winter

crisis in 2016, and to be addressing that now and funding it in taxing

things that most people would regard as being sensibly taxed like the

tobacco companies, it is a good personification of the choices they

will make. You can probably hear the noise coming from the hall. Mr

Miller -- Miliband has appeared. You can almost hear them willing band

leader to give a barnstorming speech to set them on the road to the next

general election. The campaign will begin in the middle of October, it

takes us through to May. It used to be only the Americans that have long

campaigns, now the British do too. Let's hear from the Labour leader,

Ed Miliband. I have just been speaking to Alan Henning, a British

hostage taken by ISIS. His wife, Barbara, maiden -- made a moving

appeal for his release over the weekend. Alan Henning is simply an

aid worker trying to make life better for victims of conflict. I

think it should tell us everything we need to know about ISIS and their

murderous ways that they take a decent British man like Alan Henning

hostage. It is not just British people that they are targeting. It

is people of all nationalities and all religions. That is why we have

supported the Coalition not simply based on military action but a

coalition based on humanitarian, political, and diplomatic action to

counter the threat of ISIS. This week the president of the United

States and the British prime minister are both at the United

Nations. We support the overnight action against ISIS. What needs to

happen now is that the UN needs to play its part. A UN Security Council

resolution to win the international support to counter that threat of

ISIL. Friends, this country will never turn our back on the world and

never turn our back on the principles of internationalism. And

those values, they are reflected not just in our country but in this

party, in this hall, and in this great city of Manchester. Friends,

it is great to be with you in Manchester. A fantastic city, a city

with a great Labour Council leading the way, and a city that after this

year's local elections is not just a Tory free zone but Liberal Democrat

free zone as well. APPLAUSE Manchester has special memories for

me because four years ago I was elected your leader here in

Manchester. For years on, I feel wiser, I feel older, I feel much

older actually! But hang on a minute, some of you look quite a lot

older as well. At least I've got an excuse! But I am prouder than ever

to be the leader of your party and I thank you for your support.

APPLAUSE We meet here in serious times. Not just for our world but

for our country too. Our country nearly broke up. A country that

nearly splits apart is not a country in good health. I want to start by

thanking all of Labour's Team Scotland for the part they played in

keeping our country together. Let us thank them all - Gordon Brown,

Alistair Darling, Margaret Curran, Douglas Alexander, Jim Murphy, JoAnn

Lamont. Let us thank them all because they helped save our

country! And I want to say to the people of

Scotland directly, this Labour Party will show you over the coming years

you made the right choice because we are better together. Here is the

thing. All of us, all political leaders, everyone in this hall has a

responsibility to try to explain why 45% of people voted yes. 45% of

people wanted to break up our country. We have got to explain why

the feeling we saw in Scotland is not just in Scotland but it is

reflected across the country. My story starts six days from the end

of the referendum campaign. I was on my way to a public meeting, I was

late, as politicians tend to be. Just outside the meeting I met a

woman, and I was supposed to go into the meeting but I wanted to stop and

ask her how she was voting. I did that to everyone on the street. One

vote at a time. She said she hadn't decided how she was going to vote

yet. Her name was Josephine and she worked as a cleaner in the building.

She said the company she worked for was decent but the wages were

rubbish. She hadn't decided because life was so incredibly tough for

her. She didn't want to leave but she thought it might be the best

thing to do. I don't know how Josephine voted in the referendum

but I do know the question she was asking - is anyone going to make

life better for me and my family? Here is the thing. It isn't just

Josephine's question, it is the question people are asking right

across Britain. Is anyone going to build a better life for the working

people of our country? That wasn't just the referendum question, that

is the general election question. I'm not talking about the powerful

and the privileged, those who do well whatever the weather, I'm

talking about families who work harder and harder just to stay

afloat. This general election is about you. You have made sacrifices,

taken home lower wages, you have seen your energy bills rise and your

NHS decline. You know this country doesn't work. My answer is that we

can build a better future for you and your family, and this speech is

about Labour's plans to do it, Labour's plan for Britain's future.

So, what do we need to have that planned for the future? We have got

to understand what people are saying to us across the UK. I think there

is a silent majority who wanted our country to endure but they are

telling us that things must change. They come from every walk of life,

like a young woman who works in a pub near where I live. She lives at

the opposite end of the country from Josephine, separated by at least a

generation, but they share a common experience. Because Ziamara has

worked hard, she has worked her way up to become a chef, but like

Josephine, life for her is incredibly tough. And by the way,

she thinks politics is rubbish. And let's not pretend we don't hear that

a lot on the doorsteps. What does she see in politics? She sees drift.

She doesn't think we have a solution to her problem, we have got to prove

her wrong. I think there is something almost even more important

about our country. People have lost faith in the future. The other day I

was in the park, I was trying to work on my speech and I wasn't

getting anywhere so I went to the park and there were two young women

in the park. They seemed excited to see me and they came over. It's not

that funny! And one of them actually said, so it is true, you do meet

famous people in this park. And the other one said, yes, it is. The

other one said, no offence, we were hoping for Benedict Cumberbatch.

Anyway one of them said something that really stuck with me. She

said, my generation is falling into a black hole. She said about her

parents' generation, they have had it so good and now there is nothing

left for us. She was speaking from millions of people across our

country who have lost faith in the future. Like Gareth, who is high up

in a software company. He has a five-year-old daughter, he is

earning a decent wage, he can't afford to buy a home. He is priced

out by the richest. He thinks that unless you are one of the privileged

few in Britain, the country is not going to work for you and your kids

will have a worse life anew. So many people across our country feel this

way. They feel the country doesn't work for them and they have lost

that faith in the future. Our task is to restore people's faith in the

future, not by breaking our country but by breaking with the old way of

doing things, by breaking the past. I'm not talking about a different

policy or a different programme, I'm talking about something much bigger.

I'm talking about a different idea, a different ethic for the way our

country succeeds. For all the sound and fury in England, Scotland and

Wales, what people are actually saying to us is that this country

does not care about me. Our economy does not work, and they are not

wrong, they are right, and this Labour Party is going to put it

right. Friends, to do that, we have got to go back to the very

foundations of who we are and how we run things. We just cannot carry on

with the belief that we can succeed as a country with a tiny minority at

the top doing well. Prosperity in one part of Britain amongst a small

elite, a circle that is closed to most, blind to the concerns of

people. Sending the message to everyone but a few, you are on your

own. Think about it for a minute. In our economy, it is working people

who are made to bear the burden of anxiety, precariousness and

insecurity. They have been told you are on your own. So many young

people think their life will be worse than their parents'.

So many small businesses are struggling against forces more

powerful than themselves. And the most vulnerable have been thrown on

the scrapheap cast aside not listen to, even when they have a case. They

have been told you are on your own. And, to cap it all, in our politics,

a few have access while everyone else is locked out. They have been

told, you are on your own. No wonder people have lost faith in the

future. That is why so many people voted to break up our country. Is it

any wonder the deck is stark, the game is rigged in favour of those

who have all the power? Friends, in eight months time, we are going to

call time on this way of running the country. Because you are on your

own. APPLAUSE

Because you are on your own doesn't work for you, doesn't work for your

family. It does not work for Britain.

APPLAUSE Can be build a different future for

our country? Of course we can. But with a

different idea of how we succeed. An idea that, in the end, won the

referendum, an idea I love because it says so much about who we are and

who we have in ourselves to become. An idea rooted in this party's

character and in our country 's history. An idea that build our

greatest institutions and got us through our darkest moments. An idea

that is just one simple word. Together. Together. Together we can

restore faith in the future. Together we can build a better

future for the working people of Britain. Together we can rebuild

Britain. Friends, together we can. APPLAUSE

together said is not just a powerful through the top whose voices should

be heard. It should be everyone. It's not just

a few wealthy people who create the wealth of our country. It's every

working person. Together says we can't just succeed with a country

with the talents of a few, but we must use the talents of all. We

can't have some people breaking the rules. Everyone has got to play

under the same rules and together says we have a duty to look after

each other when times are hard. Together, the way we restore faith

in the future, together, a different idea for Britain.

You might be thinking this sounds like a pretty big undertaking.

Changing the way our country is run. A totally different idea. That's

quite a big task. Is it really going to be possible? Can we do it? I

mean, if the 21st-century. Is that going backwards? It isn't. The

reason it isn't, is because that idea is everywhere around us to see.

In every walk of life. The inspiration is everywhere. The

different way of doing things. Early on I mentioned Gareth, who works as

a software company, worried about his daughter and the future. I

didn't just meet him but his colleagues as well and that software

company, the thing which shines through, it's full of bright young

people full of great enthusiasm but it isn't about the boss at the top,

each individual on their own, go to every person about company and they

say the same thing. You need to use the talents of every single person,

not just for software engineers, but the customer service, the accounts,

and go to ceremony great businesses across our country and they will say

the same thing to you. That is the ethic of the 21st-century in

business. We need great entrepreneurs. Britain needs great

entrepreneurs, but the greatest entrepreneurs recognised that there

are only as strong as their team. It's not just true in business.

There will be people who work in our brilliant National Health Service,

our brilliant National Health Service, friends.

Earlier this year, I spent a couple of days at an NHS hospital in

Watford. I wanted to go there to see how things look from the front

line, mainly I got in the way, really, but that's what politicians

tend to do. And I remember one evening I was in A at 9pm watching

nurses from different backgrounds, different walks of life, coming

together. I was incredibly moved, incredibly inspired by their

teamwork, so proud of our National Health Service.

Go to any great hospital, go to any great school, it is the team that

makes it strong and then think of our bread Armed Forces and that's

paid tribute to them today, friends. -- brilliant Armed Forces. Our

brilliant heretic troops are serving our country in the most dangerous

places. They will talk about the team and the team which makes it

strong. It is true of business, of public services, of the Armed

Forces, in so many walks of life, if the ethic of the 20th century was

hierarchy, order, planning, control the talents of the 21st-century 's

cooperation, everybody playing their part, sharing the rewards, the

talents of all together. Friends, it is time we ran the country like we

know it can be run. Here is a question for you. If the

challenge to run the country on this printable of together, can the

Tories be the answer? Can the Tories be the answer? That's better. I will

tell you why they can't be the answer because if you want the best

example of you are on your own, rigged the system for the powerful

view, insecure, throwback dogma, just look at this Government.

If you are a low paid worker, struggling to make ends meet,

working harder for longer for less, on your own, if you are in the

squeezed middle, you feel like you're treading water and you are on

your own. If you're on a zero hours contract getting up at 5am every

morning, to find out whether you have got work, they will tell you

that's how an economy succeeds and you are your own. If you are worried

about the railway companies, the payday lenders, they don't want to

do anything to help you. You are on your own. If you're one of the 9

million people who rent your home in the private sector they are

certainly not going to do anything for you. They will tell you you are

on your own and why? Because they say intervening would be like

Venezuela. That's what they say. They say they don't believe in

Government intervention. Really? Of course they do. Because if you are a

millionaire who wants a tax cut, they are certainly going to

intervene to support you. You are not going to be on your own.

If you are a banker, who is worried about your bonus, it's good news for

you because George Osborne is going to go all the way to Europe to fight

tooth and nail to try to protect it. You certainly won't be on your

own. If you are an energy company whose prices and profits are

soaring, good news again, you have got a Prime Minister who will be

your own PR man. You won't be on your own. And, by the way, if you

are a Conservative supporting, gold mining, luxury hotel owning, Putin

's award-winning Russian oligarch, and you have ?160,000 to spare, to

bid in an auction, you won't be on your own. You will be on a tennis

court saying doubles with David Cameron. That tells you all you need

to know about this Government. -- playing doubles.

Now, look, we know we have a fight and in the next eight months David

Cameron will talk about the past and not going to talk that much about

the present and the future. Why? He is going to tell you, the British

public, that none of the problems in our country are anything to do with

him. He has done a really outstanding, tremendous job and he

really deserves a lot of congratulation and thanks. For

Britain. You've done a great job, all the problems are nothing to do

with him, and if you just hang on till after the general election,

things are about to turn the corner for your family. The British people

will have to be the judge of this. And I think there are some things to

bear in mind. The record of this Government, friends, is not just

mediocre, it is one of the worst ever.

The longest fall in living standards since 1870. Wages rising slower than

prices for 50 out of 51 months. For your family, five years of this

Government, five years of sacrifice, zero years of success.

Now, you might think that David Cameron is right and things are

about to turn around for you and your family full as I say, the

British people will have to be the judge of this. But isn't there a

second more plausible explanation for their record? A Tory economy is

always an economy for the few. Because that is who they care about.

That is the basis on which they think a country succeeds. And so the

past with this Government is a good guide to the future. Your family

worse off. You can't afford to take that risk. The British people can't

afford another five years of David Cameron.

Now, I have got an idea for our Prime Minister. He likes surfing. He

likes playing that game Angry Birdss Andy likes tennis with

Russian oligarchs. I've got a great idea. Why don't we give him all the

time in the world to do all those things next May, and let's send him

into opposition. It's up to us. We have to build a

future for you and your family. That is what Labour's plan for Britain's

future is all about and today I want to lay out six national goals, not

just for one term of office, or one year, but a plan for the next ten

years. Britain 2025. The day one of me as Prime Minister. This is the

plan and these are the goals I want us to pursue. You might ask why ten

years? I will tell you one of the reasons. People are fed up with

politicians who come along and say vote for me on day one, everything

will be transformed. Friends, the British people won't believe it. It

is what I call doing a Nick Clegg. When Nick Clegg broke that promise

on tuition fees, he didn't just destroy trust in himself and the

Liberal Democrats, he did something else. He destroyed trust in politics

for them every time a promise is broken, every time a false promises

made, every Time we say vote for us and tomorrow everything will be

totally different, people get more and more cynical, more and more

turned off, people think politics is more and more a game and all we are

in it for is ourselves for the that's why I plan for the next ten

years, not a plan which says nothing changes, but a map for the country,

for people like Gareth who I talked about earlier. For the young woman

who wanted as he Benedict Cumberbatch and ended up with me and

said, my generation is falling into a black hole. I want to know there's

a future for me. That's what this plan is about and our plan starts

with rewarding hard work once again because that's what we're got to do

with country. One in five of the men and women who go out to work in our

country do their bit, make their contribution, put in hours and find

in low pay. Appeal with Britain's traditions,

that should shame us all. Our first national goal is that we halve the

number of people in low pay by 2025, transforming the lives of 2 million

people in our country. The principle of together says we

don't just use the talents of everyone, we reward the talents of

everyone and the minimum wage has got to be a route to bringing up the

family with dignity so we will raise the minimum wage by ?1 50 per hour

by 2020, a rise in pay of ?60 per week for a work on the minimum wage,

or ?3000 per year. The Tories are the party of wealth and privilege,

Labour is the party of hard work fairly paid. It is all working

people who should have their talents rewarded so our second national goal

is that all working people should share fairly in the growing wealth

of the country. That means as the economy grows, the wages of everyday

working people grow at the same rate. You know what is amazing is

that that statement, that goal is even controversial. It used to be

taken for granted in our country that that is what would happen. That

is what the cost of living crisis, which the Tories don't understand,

is all about. We need a government with a single focus on tackling it,

and key to this is transforming our economy so we create good jobs at

decent wages. That requires a massive national effort, the

principle of together, everyone playing their part. For the

Government it means no vested interest, no stale mindset should

stand in the way of restoring this. It means reforming our banks,

breaking up the big banks. So that we have the competition we need in

our banking system. It means getting power out of Whitehall. We are far

too centralised country, it is time we did something about it, it is

time we transferred power out of Whitehall to our businesses, towns

and cities so that they can create the jobs, the prosperity, the wealth

that they need. It is about businesses and trade unions engaging

in cooperation, not confrontation, and it is also about something else

- it is using our historic values to fight for those at the front line of

the modern workforce. I'm talking about a group of people that we in

the Labour Party haven't talked about that much, and we need to talk

about them a lot more, the growing army of self-employed. 5 million

people in our country, often the most entrepreneurial go getting

people who have a difficult, insecure life very often. Because of

the jobs they do, two out of three don't have a pension. One in five

cannot get a mortgage. They don't want special treatment, they just

want a fair shot. The task for this Labour Party is to end this

21st-century modern discrimination and it is to fight and deliver equal

rights for the self-employed in Britain.

I said earlier that we need to create good jobs at decent wages to

transform our economy. Those jobs are the future so our third national

goal is that by 2025, Britain becomes truly a world leader in the

green economy, creating 1 million new jobs as we do. Under this

Government, we are falling behind Germany, Japan, the United States,

even India and China when it comes to green technology and services.

There are so many brilliant businesses who are desperate to do

their part but the Government is not playing its part. With our plan, we

will. We are going to commit to taking all of the carbon out of

electricity by 2030. We are going to have a green investment bank with

powers to borrow and attract new investment, and as Caroline Flint

will announce tomorrow, we will devolve power and resources to

communities so we can insulate 5 million homes over the next ten

years. The environment is that fashionable any more in politics, as

you may have noticed with David Cameron, but it matters. It is

incredibly important for our economy and there is no more important issue

for me when I think about my children's generation and what I can

do in politics than tackling global climate change. We need a plan for

jobs, we need a plan for wages. We need a plan that can actually help

the working families of our country. At the heart of our plan for our

country and your family is also a future for all of our young people.

I met somebody called Elizabeth the other day, where is she? She is

here. Why don't you stand up for one second. Elizabeth is an apprentice.

APPLAUSE Elizabeth is an apprentice, and auto

electrician. I think it is fair to say you are breaking through what

has been up until now pretty much a man's world. Let's have a round of

applause for what she is doing. She is one of the lucky few. Actually

Elizabeth's school, because I met her yesterday, her school helped her

to get an apprenticeship but so many other schools don't do that. Lots of

the young people I meet on apprenticeships say, my school said

apprenticeships were rubbish and they wouldn't help me, but now I am

doing it, it is really great for me. Frankly there are not enough and

they are not high-quality enough so our fourth national goal is that by

2025, as many young people will be leaving school or college to go onto

an apprenticeship as currently go to university. I have got to tell you,

this is an absolutely huge undertaking. We are such a long way

from this as a country. It will require a massive national effort.

It will require young people to show the ambition to do well and to get

on. It will require schools to lead a dramatic change in education, with

new gold standard technical qualifications, and it will need

business and government to lead a revolution in apprenticeships.

Government is good at preaching to business about what it should be

doing. Let me tell you, government is absolutely useless when it comes

to apprenticeships, and it is true of governments of both parties. In

Germany they do a fantastic job of giving apprenticeships to the next

generation. We don't do that in this country so first we have got to

tackle the failure by government, then we say to business that you

have got to play your part. If you want to bring in a worker from

outside the European Union, that is OK, but you must provide an

apprenticeship to the next generation. We cannot have what is

happening at the moment in IT where you have got more and more people

coming in but the amount of apprenticeships falling in IT. We

have got to say to business that we are going to give you control of the

money for apprenticeships for the first time but in exchange, if you

want a major government contract, you must provide apprenticeships to

our young people. The plan for jobs, for wages, for education, but what

is it, what are the things that give confidence and security in life? It

is the love of people we care most about, decent work properly

rewarded, but also the security of having a home of your own. That

British dream of home ownership is fading for so many people. Under

this Government we are building fewer homes than at any time since

the 1920s, so our fifth national goal is that by 2025, for the first

time in 50 years, this country will be building as many homes as we

need, doubling the number of first-time buyers in our country.

Again, it will require a massive national effort. We won't let large

developers sit on land. We will say to small developers of construction

companies that we will help them to build homes again in our country. We

will build a new generation of towns, garden cities and suburbs,

creating over half a million new homes, and we will also make housing

the top priority for additional capital investment in the next

Parliament. This party will get Britain building again. Your family

also needs public services you can rely on. Education, policing,

transport. Nowhere is that more true than for the national health

service. I mentioned earlier that I spent a couple of days at a hospital

in Watford earlier this year. I met an amazing man called Colin in his

80s who sadly died a few weeks later, but I will always remember my

conversation with him. He remembered the foundation of the NHS. He

remembered what life was like before the National Health Service. I

remember him saying to me, Ed, the problem then was you were on your

own, on your own having to pay for medical treatment. Friends, we are

so proud of our National Health Service and I know my duty to Colin

and the British people is to make sure our NHS is there when we need

it. So our sixth national goal is that we create a truly world-class

21st-century health and care service, because the hospital is

only as good as the services in the community. That is the biggest

lesson I learned in Watford. If people cannot get to see their GP,

if elderly people cannot get the visit they need, they end up in

hospital when it could have been avoided. That is bad for them and

bad for the taxpayer. It costs billions of pounds. Let's face it,

those services are creaking. One in four people cannot get to see their

GP within a week. We have had the scandal of home care visits for the

elderly restricted to just 15 minutes. In this day and age. The

NHS faces huge challenges over the coming years. We will transform our

NHS. It is time to care about our NHS. We need doctors, nurses,

midwives, care workers who are able to spend proper time with us, not

rushed off their feet. So we will set aside resources so we can have

3000 more midwives, 5000 more care workers, 8000 more GPs and 20,000

more nurses. And NHS with time to care.

In order to pay for it, we won't borrow an extra penny. Or raise

taxes on ordinary working families. We will clamp down on tax

avoidance, including tax loopholes by the hedge funds, to raise over ?1

billion. We will use the proceeds of a

mansion tax on homes above ?2 million. And we will raise extra

resources from the tobacco companies who make soaring profits on the back

of ill health. Because, friends, the principle of

building it together means everyone playing our part in making our NHS

what it needs to be. In total, we will set aside ?2.5

billion in an NHS time to care fund and tomorrow, Andy Burnham will set

out our integrated plan for physical health, mental health and care for

the elderly. Truly a 21st-century National Health Service.

The stakes are incredibly high at the selection and nowhere more so

than on the National Health Service because we know the NHS is sliding

backwards under this Government. We know they are privatising and

fragmenting it. Just imagine what another five years of David Cameron

would mean for our national health service, friends. We are not going

to let it happen. Our NHS is too precious, too important, and we will

not let it happen. Friends, we built the NHS, we saved

the NHS, we are going to repeal the health and social care bill and we

are going to transform our NHS for the future. That is what the next

Labour Government will do and, friends, we will do it together!

Six national goals, friends. To transform our country. Not a false

promise on day one. Not some pie in the sky idea that can't be

delivered. Real concrete ideas that can transform our country. That can

restore faith in the future. A plan for Britain's future. Labour's plan

for Britain's future. But to make that happen, we also have to do

something else. And transform who has power in our country. So that

those who feel locked out feel let back in. You know people think

Westminster politics is out of touch, irrelevant, and often

disconnected from their lives. As someone who stands at Prime

Minister's Questions each Wednesday, I often know what they

mean. We might as well say it. It's what people think about politics.

They think it's not about them, and we have got to change it for that we

don't need to just restore people 's faith in the future, with the

economic and social plan, we need to change the way politics works in

this country. What does that mean? First of all, it's time to hear

young people in politics so we will give the vote to 16 and 17-year-olds

in general elections. It's time to complete the unfinished

business of the reform of the House of Lords so we have a true senate of

the nations and regions. And it's time to devolve power in England.

And I'm incredibly proud of our proposals, ambitious proposals, to

reverse a century of centralisation and there can be no better place to

be talking about this than here in Manchester, devolving power to local

Government, bringing power closer to people right across England.

And we need bigger reform of our Constitution full here is the thing,

friends also given Everton and about what people think about Westminster

politics, it has got to be led by the people for the bid can't be some

Westminster stitch up. That is why we need a proper constitutional

convention harnessing the civic energy and spirit are people right

across our land. England, Scotland, Wales, every part of United Kingdom.

But you know I've realised something else. Giving people voices is also

about recognising who we are as a nation. We are more than ever four

countries and one. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

and Britain, too. Each nation making its contribution. We're not just a

better together, we are greater together. And that's not something

to fear. That is something to be proud of. I learned something really

important, as I'm sure we all did, in this referendum campaign. All of

those people who are proud to be Scottish and proud to be British,

just like you are so many people who are proud to be Welsh and proud to

be British, no one more so than our brilliant First Minister of Wales,

Carwyn Jones. Let's hear it for him today, ladies and gentlemen.

And so to we can be proud to be English and proud to be British. And

I say to this party, we must fight for these traditions and not see

them to others. Englishness, a history of solidarity, from the

Battle of cable Street against Oswald Mosley and the Blackshirts,

to the spirit of the Blitz, Englishness, traditions of fairness,

from the Ford workers at Dagenham who fought for equal pay, to

today's campaigners for the living wage. Englishness, a spirit of

international is, from those who fought in the Spanish Civil War to

our generosity to those overseas. Friends, there will be some people

who tell you that being English, Welsh or Scottish means dividing or

setting ourselves against each other. Rubbish. Why? Because here is

what we, the Labour Party, no. The injustices facing working people

face them right across the United Kingdom. And we can only tackle them

together. That is, after all, what we spent the last two years fighting

for and I am not going to let anyone, after the last two years,

drive us apart. And if David Cameron cares so much

about the union, why is he seeking to divide us? He is learning the

wrong lessons from Scotland. He is learning the wrong lessons from

Scotland because what he doesn't understand is that the lessons are,

of course, about the constitution, but they are not about playing

political tactics about England. And here is why he is doing it. David

Cameron doesn't lie awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom.

The lies awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom

Independence party, UKIP. That is why he is doing it, friends. And I

say, pandering to them as just one more reason why he is not set to be

the Prime Minister of this great country.

So, better together across United Kingdom but also better together

true to our traditions of internationalism, and nowhere is

that more true than when it comes to Europe and the European Union.

Friends, let me say it plainly, our future lies in the side, not

outside, the European Union. -- inside.

We need to reform Europe for that we need to reform Europe and the

economy on immigration, benefits, all of these big issues but here is

the question for Britain. How do we do that? Do we reform Europe by

building alliances or by burning them? What is really good as we've

had a recent test case by David Cameron of his strategy. I don't

know whether you missed it but about somebody called Jean-Claude Juncker.

In case you missed the score, it's not so good from his point of view,

because we lost by 26-2. Why did he lose? Because at the start people

thought he might win that a vote for such I will tell you why. Because

the problem for our country is that when David Cameron comes calling,

people don't think he's calling about the problems of Britain or

Europe, they think he is calling on the problems of the Conservative

Party. Here is a funny thing, friends. If you are elected

Chancellor of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, the President of

France, you don't really think you are a letter to solve the problems

of the Conservative Party. -- elected to solve the problems of the

Conservative Party. That's why he can't succeed for our country. What

we had over Jean-Claude Juncker is just a preview of what could be for

this country if David Cameron was back in power after 2015. Because he

lost 26-2 over that. He has to win 28-0 to get a reform of Europe,

unanimity. No chance for David Cameron. He has got no chance of

fighting for this country. People think he's got one hand on the exit

door and his strategy has failed. If you want to reform Europe, change

the way Europe works, if you want to keep Britain in the European Union,

and if you realise that the biggest threat to our prosperity is now the

Conservative Party, the right answer is a Labour Government.

I am determined, as Prime Minister, to promote our values all around the

world and one of the things that means, friends, is seeking a

solution to a problem that we know in our heart is one of the biggest

problem that we know in our hearts as one of the biggest problems our

world faces. And that is issues in the Middle East, Israel and

Palestine. I'd tell you, I will fight with every fibre of my being

to get the two state solution, Israel and Palestinian state living

side-by-side. That will be a very, very important task of the next

Labour Government, friends. There's one other thing I want to

say by what we need to do abroad. We have made extraordinary progress on

lesbian and gay rights. Over the last 20 years. When I think other

transformations I have seen growing up into adulthood, it's the biggest

transformation for that we have got such progress on the quality. But we

have to face the fact internationally, things are going

backwards. We can't just let that happen for that we can't just say

that's OK. This Labour Government will fight to make sure that we

fight for our values and for human rights all around the world so today

I can announce that I am appointing Michael Cashman, Lord Cashman, as

our envoy on LGB Teague writes all around the world. -- LGB

It is about a plan at home and abroad but it is also about

leadership. The next nine months represent my interview with the

British people for one of the most important jobs in our country. I

care about big ideas that can change our country, the principle of

together. I care about hearing the voices of people right across our

land and not shutting them out. I care about using the power of

government to stand up against powerful forces when we need to do

so. It came home to me the other day when I met Rosie, the doctor from

Devon, and she said to me that we need someone who can stand up for

working, everyday people, because you will have the power and we

won't. That's why I stood up to Rupert Murdoch over phone hacking,

that's why I stood up to the payday lenders over their exploitation of

the poorest people in our country, that's why I stood up to the energy

companies, and it's why I stood up to the Daily Mail when they set my

dad hated Britain because I know my dad loved Britain. APPLAUSE

That is me, but what about the other guy?

This isn't a conventional job interview so I get to say something

about him. He stands up for the principle of you are on your own, he

stands up for the privileged few. He really thinks a good photo

opportunity will fool people into thinking that he doesn't really

stand up for the rich and privileged, he stands up for you and

your family. In this day and age when people are so cynical about

politics, I think it adds to that cynicism. Here is the thing. He has

been found out, because he hugged is a husky before the election, then he

said cut the crap after an election. He was standing outside a hospital

before the election with a placard saying no hospital closures, and he

closed that very same A department after the election. He changed his

logo to the tree before the election, then tried to sell the

forest after the election! And he has been found out because he said

he was a compassionate Conservative before the election, and he imposed

the cruel, vindictive, the unfair bedroom tax after the election. And

you know what gets me even more? Even now, with all the tales of

misery, hardship, injustice, he thinks a bit of rebranding will get

him off the hook so he calls it the spare room subsidy as if that will

make the problem go away. Well, David Cameron, you have been found

out. Friends, there is a choice of leadership at this election, a real

stark choice of leadership. Leadership that stands for the

privileged few, or leadership that fight for you and your family. This

isn't just about leadership, the Government and Labour's plan for

Britain's future, it is also about all of you. We cannot build the

country we need without you, without mobilising every part of Britain. So

I say to young people, we need your hopes, your energy, your vitality. I

say to every older person, we respect your service and we need

your wisdom. I say to every business, you can be part of this.

We cannot do it without you. I say to every entrepreneur we need your

ideas, your enthusiasm. I say to every charity, we admire your spirit

and we want to hear your voice. I say to every nurse, every teacher,

every public service worker, we salute your dedication and we know

why you do what you do. I say to every person in our country who

believes that tomorrow can be better than today, we need you. Together we

bring up our families, together we look out for our neighbours,

together we care for our communities and we build great businesses, the

best in the world. We teach the young, heal the sick, care for the

cold, create keels for terrible diseases, so of course together we

can rebuild our country. We can reward hard work, we can make sure

the best generation does better than the last. Together we can make our

NHS greater than it has ever been before. Together we can make Britain

proud, stronger in the world, we can restore faith in the future. On our

own we cannot, but together we can. In the next eight months, the

British people face one of the biggest choices in generations, the

choice between carrying on as we are, on your own for the privileged

few, are different, better future for our country. We are ready.

Labour's plan for Britain's future, let's make it happen together. Thank

you very much. APPLAUSE

Ed Miliband finishes his speech to the Labour Party conference of

2014. It wasn't quite 80 minutes but it was almost 80 minutes. A lot of

use of the word together, sounding like the Pet Shop Boys, as the

conference rises to his feet. A kiss from the wife for a job well done.

He outlined his plan for Britain, covering housing, jobs, the NHS, and

it was only when he came to the NHS that the speech really came alive in

the conference hall. Ed Miliband outlined ways in which extra money

would be raised to increase the number of doctors, nurses and other

people in the health service. That was the centrepiece of what his

message was not just of the party faithful today, but to the wider

electorate watching at home. It is always a bit of an ordeal for the

party leaders, these speeches. Time now to relax and take the applause.

Let's hear about how they are reacting in the conference hall.

Ed Miliband began his speech with reference to the situation in Syria

and Iraq and indeed while Mr Miliband was speaking here in

Manchester, the president was making a speech in the United States in

which he said that this is not America's fight alone, referring to

the bombing attacks on Syria, as well as Iraq. What we didn't get

from the Labour leader was exactly what Labour's policy would be,

should Britain decide it wants to take part in these attacks as well.

That is something we may follow up with in a moment. The speech is

over. He is about to leave the hall, probably put his feet up for a

couple of minutes. It was a long speech, even by modern party

conference standards. Charlie Falconer is still with me, Nick

Robinson has just rushed back from the hall. What did you make of it?

He described the next eight months as a job interview but he didn't try

really hard to sell himself. He tried instead to sell an idea,

summed up in that word together. I didn't count, but well over 100

times. He chose one simple policy to summarise that idea, the NHS. In a

way you could strip the entire speech down to two sentences,

believed Labour has, the symbol of that being investing in the NHS.

Lots more goals and policies, many of them familiar, but in its essence

that was it. I thought it was a meaty speech, well delivered. We

said before it started there was considerable pressure on him, he

rose to the occasion I thought. I don't agree that it is only about

the NHS, it is meaty because the six promises contained more policies,

and he talked about the extent to which people are bearing the burden

of the crisis, and he spoke about how to solve it. I don't agree with

you completely that it was as stripped down as you say. It was

really well delivered and there is real substance in it and there is a

speech that will repay a lot afterwards. I have just been told he

said the word together 51 times. What did he say about the economy?

He indicated the need for apprenticeships. He didn't speak in

any detail about macro economy policy but he was talking about the

future. He specified how he was going to paper the extra jobs in the

NHS that he identified. You cannot afford to do any of that unless you

preside over a strong, growing economy and he had nothing to say

the economy. Ed Balls dealt with that yesterday. He hopes to be the

prime minister, and also hopes to be the first Lord of the Treasury. It

is not incumbent on a man who would be our Prime Minister to talk about

his economic policy? That was done by the Shadow Chancellor. This is

the speech covered live on afternoon television, the one that is

dissected, and it is the economy that will determine the election,

and yet the leader of the opposition didn't outline his economic policy.

If you don't have economic policy, you don't have the health service.

You mean what we are going to do about the deficit, and that is what

Ed Balls dealt with yesterday. Why repeat it? What did he say about

growth? He indicated that we would be cutting the deficit. That is what

the Conservatives believed in. We believe in not so deep and not so

long. I think it is striking that this was more about the goals that

would be achieved if you could restructure the way the economy

delivers for ordinary people, that has been the key theme of the

Miliband leadership throughout. He spelt out with a series of long-term

goal how exactly that would be done. My point about the NHS being the

symbol is that Labour know that the ratings of Ed Miliband are not

high, he didn't try to change them in terms of telling a story about

himself. He spoke about policy and I think he did something else rather

interesting, and I think it works better on television than in the

hall. It was quite short on what the spin doctors call clap lines, there

was a deliberate effort to have a conversation with the country. At

times there were some people struggling to stay awake in there.

My instinct is that if you stuck with it, if you are interested in

what a Labour government would do, it was engaging. Enough of the

pundits and the politicians, let's find out what the Labour delegates

thought. Jo. Here I am in the midst of the

delegates as they come out of the conference hall. Your impressions of

the speech? I thought it was a strong speech, it has given us a lot

to work with and to sell on the doorstep this Saturday. I liked

particularly the announcement on more doctors and nurses. That got a

massive cheer. And the fact that was married up with closing tax

loopholes. What about votes for 16 and

17-year-olds? Did not appeal to you? I think it's a positive move for the

babe showing themselves to be engaged in the Scottish referendum.

Young people everywhere vote is more commonly when they vote at a younger

age, so it will engender democratic participation in younger people.

Something to take to the doorstep that lady said. What did you think?

Fairly solid waste it talk about opening up politics wider than the

Westminster bubble, I thought that build on the experiences of the

Scottish referendum over the last few months. It sounds not

inspirational. Was that Britain much what you expect it Britain Mark the

obvious they had a lot to do today and I thought he did it. You will

take it to the doorsteps? I probably will. What was the big thought from

that speech? The NHS is being crushed by the Conservatives and Ed

Miliband has a plan to get it back but the LGBT factor as well. The

Labour Party has said it is a problem across the world and I'm 26

years old and I've seen it the natural in Britain now and it needs

to be across the world. The NHS, people might say, belongs to Labour

by what about things like cutting spending and balancing the books?

Did we hear enough about that? I think we have a proper planning

plays and Ed Miliband is the man to lead us. David Cameron has not done

enough in the last five years but Ed Miliband has said these are the

things we are going to do and he is not made promises he can't keep like

Nick Clegg did. No party can turn it around in five years and that's what

he's done for us today, I think. The 10-year plan, that's longer than

Stalin. No idea, but I hope it works. What about the slogan? What

did he say more times than anything else? Togetherness, we can achieve

more together. We can achieve 1945 again, where we created the NHS. We

can fund services and have the renationalisation of railways. This

is only the start. 1 have a socialist society, the next 10-year

plan, we can add even more great socialism in society. The 10-year

plan is brilliant. His speech was inspiring. He is going to number ten

Downing St for the birth of a man for the people. Together we stand.

This is the best for Britain. The lady has got my microphone. Back to

you, Andrew. Thanks, Jo.

While Ed Miliband was on his feet, President Obama was talking

about the US strategy to tackle Islamic State.

This comes after last night's strikes

against the Jihadis in Syria, where, previously, bombing has been

The Americans were joined by five Arab allies on their attack on

Islamic positions in Syria. This is what the American president had to

say. We are joined in this action by our friends and partners, Saudi

Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Bahrain, and Qatar. America

is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations on

behalf of our common security. The strength of this coalition makes it

clear to the world that this is not America's fight alone. Above all,

people in Government in the Middle East are rejecting Isis and standing

up for the peace and security the people in the region and the world

deserve. The president speaking a few moments ago. Let's talk to the

Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham. Welcome. The president said

this is not America's fight alone. If Britain was to be asked to be

involved in the strikes, would Labour support them? Ed Miliband

said we will support the action being taken and play our part.

Anybody who went to the debate a decade ago think carefully about

taking this step. Of course we do. We'll Britain take part in air

strikes? That's not a decision which has been made. Parliament would have

to make that decision. And if it comes to Parliament, which way would

Labour vote? We would support the action taken. It's a decision for

Parliament and we would have to see what the Prime Minister and the

president agreed and put to Parliament. We can't prejudge that,

can we? It's a situation. When you hear about the situation with Alan

Henning, an appalling state of affairs, most people will say

something needs to be done to take on this brutal outfit. Ed Miliband

didn't spend much time on it. He said he wanted a UN resolution.

Would that be a precondition of British participation? He was very

clear on that and I think the art thinking about the debates of a

decade ago but it would be wrong if we didn't. That was an issue that,

in the end, fractured people and it's important we work hard to build

that international consensus about any action and that's why he was

right. He began his speech with it, Andrew. He didn't actually say it

would be a precondition and said he wanted one. Are you saying would be

a precondition of Labour support for British participation but they would

have to be a UN resolution? We are going to see what they agree in New

York tomorrow. Let's see what is discussed and what the Prime

Minister asks of us as a Labour Party. I can't prejudge that

discussion. It would be ridiculous of me to do that. You said it would

be a precondition of a UN resolution and I'm simply asking again, is that

right? Ed Miliband was very clear. No comedy wasn't. You quoted him. --

no, he wasn't. I can't answer that right now. We can't see what the

postal primers double put to Parliament. Be fair, these are

serious matters. I can't speak without the detail being put to us.

Emphasis on the NHS, but of course, we can't have an NHS that is well

funded and works for all of us unless we have a growing and

prosperous economy. Why was this so little mentioned about the economy

in his speech? You are joking. There was not a single mention of the

deficit. An economy which works for everybody rather than a few of the

top. He didn't tell us anything. He was talk that people self-employed,

giving them the same support other people take the granted, talking

about a minimum wage that pays a decent wage to everybody. He was

talking about taking away that insecurity of low-paid work. I think

that is a lot of important statement on the economy. The deficit? Ed

Balls said we take a difficult decision about child benefit to show

its various. Ed said it would not be paid for by more borrowing, but by

asking those who can afford it and were not paying their share at the

moment, to that contribution. Let's look at a number of ways, the

mansion tax, so-called, how much will that race? We are being

cautious and we think it could raise at least ?1.2 billion. Let's

remember the Lib Dems for the last election said it could raise 1.7, so

we have aired on the side of caution. We know the cynicism out

there about people saying we will raise this much from that and

putting together a package which looks like it does make sense. The

NHS needs them where the money is coming from. So how will you raise

this ?1.2 billion from the mansion tax? How will you identify homes

worth more than ?2 million? We will use the figures which are there. The

property values collected by the land Registry office. But they

reflect the prices of when the price of the House was sold. There could

be a House is sold in 1990 on the land Registry for ?1 million now

worth ?5 million. How will you know? The valuation on properties is what

we will use. There is no current valuation. How will you identify the

homes which are over ?2 million? This is not my area. Your

department. I have not worked out all the details. You are promising

the doctors and nurses on the back of it. I and the Shadow Health

Secretary. You are promising doctors and nurses more on the back of

something you don't know how the money will be raised. The money is

there, at least ?1.2 billion, and mansion tax is worth more than ?2

million, and actually, raising far more on the most expensive

properties. You're hoping for an extra ?1 billion on tax avoidance

and that's going to the NHS fund. Last year, Ed Miliband said that

that money from cracking down on tax avoidance, taking back ?150 million

from the hedge fund would go on the bedroom tax. Now it's going on the

NHS? I have got the document here. It's to prevent people avoiding tax

on hedge funds and closing the Eurobonds loophole. Used by large

companies to avoid paying their share of tax. Also talking about

umbrella organisations. I know that. This is a carefully worked out plan.

I know you are paid to pick holes in it but actually... No, I'm paid to

get answers to let me try again. Last day, all of these things he

said would go on the bedroom tax and now it's going on the NHS. You are

spending it twice. Not at all full is you haven't mentioned the money

from tobacco companies. That's nothing. A package put together

which means the ordinary people of this country is facing tough times

do not have to pay more for the NHS. We are asking those making money off

the back of ill-health, who are not paying their fair share, avoiding

tax, to transform the NHS into the service we wanted to be. You'll only

get 150 million from that. It was part of the package. The NHS budget

is ?113 billion. It faces a ?30 billion shortfall so ?150 million

from tobacco companies is neither here nor there. We're not just

throwing money into the black hole. We are planning this election

campaign for a national health care service, bringing social care into

the NHS for the first time. Why is this so important? Because it means

we can spend a few times and supporting people properly in their

own homes and not paying thousands of pounds with people in hospital

unnecessarily. If you make this change that we are describing, that

is the route to what is clinical and financial sustainability for the NHS

in an ageing society. If it is so easy to pick up tax avoidance from

those who can avoid it, why did you do that when you were in power? We

did lots of things when we're in power to the NHS back on its feet.

Read the blunder Labour were avoiding billions of pounds a year.

Increased, people 's awareness, how corporations movement around to

avoid obligations. People's understanding of those issues has

increased and it's right that politicians respond to that. I don't

think people would think that's the wrong thing to do. When we were in

government we put more money into the NHS and Ed Miliband said today

we're going to do that again to create world-class NHS we wanted to

be. You are trusted on the NHS. The polls show you are way ahead of the

Tories on the NHS. They show your way behind on the economy. Why

wasn't more done to increase trust on the economy? That is what was

done yesterday. Ed Balls put together a package which is about

saying Labour will get the deficit down, balance the books, and maybe

wouldn't have pleased everybody but he said we will take a tough

decision on child benefit. Thank you for rushing here from the speech and

we will see you tomorrow as well. Thanks for being with us. That's it

for today. Thanks to our guests. It will be back with more highlights

are today's conference tonight on BBC Two just after Newsnight. We

will be back tomorrow with Daily Politics at midday. Join us then.

From all of us in Manchester, bye bye.