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24/09/2014

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It's the final day of the Labour Party Conference here in

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Manchester, where people are mulling over the parts of Ed Miliband's

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speech he DIDN'T deliver, and contemplating the likelihood that

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Afternoon, folks, and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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More than 60 minutes, without a script, but he forgot to

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Or immigration. Or welfare.

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Yes, Ed Miliband's on the ropes over what he didn't say

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I'm here at Westminster, where we expect Parliament to be

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MPs will discuss whether or not British forces should take part

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in American-led military action against Islamic State extremists.

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David Cameron's expected to receive a formal request for help from the

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And we ask all the difficult questions.

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Is the Labour Conference all about socialism or socialising?

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Do you get wined and dined? I haven't so far, but if you are

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offering! All that in the next 60 minutes

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of the very finest public service First this morning, let's get

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the mood here in Manchester. There's been a bit of an exodus from

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the conference with Ed Miliband's speech out of the way, but we've got

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two journalists who are staying to the bitter end - Laura Pitel of the

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Times and James Lyons of the Mirror. Welcome to you both. Can you

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remember a fallout from a leader's speech like the one we have had this

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morning? I thought you were going to ask me if I could member anything!

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Everyone is a bit hung over. Speak for yourself! Miliband raised

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expectations in recent years, people were not sure what he would deliver

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and then he pull something out of a hat, but this time we were

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disappointed, no one is going to remember anything at all. It is

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always a high wire act to remember an 80 minute speech. He got away

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with it twice, indeed previously he set the political weather in time to

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come. You often fall of a high wire. I was there for Iain Duncan Smith's

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quiet man speech. This was not that. It was worse. It was not. That is a

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pretty low bar. That may be a fair point, but look, there is no doubt

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it will cause him problems that he has left it out, and I don't

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understand why he felt the need to do a speech for memory again, we

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know he can do it very powerfully. -- from memory. Perhaps this was

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time for him to stand up, Prime Minister in waiting, and do it that

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way. But he missed out the issues that matter. That's the problem.

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It's not that he missed out issues that come 10th or 11th or 12th in

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the polls, he missed out the issues that come first, second and third.

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He missed issues where he is under fire, so he has left an open goal

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for himself to be attacked. It feels like a major blunder. But I think

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you will be grateful this morning that there is an international

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crisis unfolding in Iraq and Syria because it has kept him off the

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front page and the news agendas. He will just be glad they can duck and

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hope that no one has noticed. Is that a consolation prize that you

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end up getting kept off the front page? He has had good headlines

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around health ahead of the speech. Keen to talk about the issues people

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care about. Health at the moment is third, sometimes second in the

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opinion polls. When people asked what is important to them. This

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conference was about getting labour in the top two issues as we go into

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the election, they see that as their trump card. Unfortunate that

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something leaked out a bit early. I asked a Labour insider before the

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speech, are we getting a rabbit? Ray said that there's been tucked and it

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is poking out of the hat a bit. A bit unfortunate but they have got

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the key message out there on the key message out there on

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health. 20,000 extra nurses, which Labour candidates can go and sell on

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the doorstep. These kind of promises from politicians... ? You have to

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make the case. The ?2.5 billion he is raising he is already spending on

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additional resources, whereas the Labour attack on the health service

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now is that there is a black hole in financing. Doesn't that ?2.5 billion

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have to fill the black hole before you can hire more nurses? Certainly

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some of it will have to, and we will be talking about more reform and the

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way the health service works to free up money, the sort of thing that

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Andy Burnham is talking about today. He has just had a standing

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ovation in the hall. He has. A very strong speech. Arguably the speech

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of the conference this morning from Harry Leslie Smith, a 91-year-old

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activist, who had them weeping in the aisles. The issue is not Labour,

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they are ahead in the polls and may have been ahead in the polls for a

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long time, it may have narrowed a bit but they are still ahead. The

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issue has been Mr Miliband, his ratings are way behind his parties,

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just as Mr Cameron's ratings are way ahead of his party. It feels like a

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missed opportunity. We heard from Labour, it was unfortunate that it

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came after Scotland when everyone is tired and there are other issues at

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the top of the news, but if you have problems with your leadership and

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you are accused of not being prime ministerial enough, a big speech is

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the opportunity to set against that. I don't know what he thinks on big

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issues like foreign policy, poor example. He could have set out his

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stall one way on the other -- or the other, but we are none the wiser.

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So, it's the afternoon after the afternoon before.

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Ed Miliband's speech, the bits in it, and bits not in it,

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have become the defining story of this conference.

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Let's hear what the Labour leader had to say to

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Louise Minchin on Breakfast this morning about failing to mention

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Did you forget that paragraph? The way I prepare these speeches is I

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write a speech and I don't exactly try and memorise it, I use it as a

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basis for what I might say. Some of it got left out. Sometimes I add

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bits. But I was very clear about our plans for the NHS that we wouldn't

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be borrowing a penny more to pay for it. I was clear about that

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innovation to the deficit. The deficit paragraph is printed, did

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you forget that paragraph? Yeah, I didn't do one part of the speech and

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I added other bits. You know, there is a choice, you could stand up and

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read out a preprepared speech... I find that actually doing it a

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different way, to speak from the top of your head, speak directly to

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people, is a better way for me to do these speeches. It is one of the

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perils of doing it. How high on your list of priorities is the deficit if

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you forgot it? Incredibly high. Ed Balls set out a clear plan for how

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we are going to get the deficit down and how we are going to get the

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national debt falling, how we are going to have the current budget

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surplus and no proposals in our manifesto for additional borrowing.

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That is why I said in relation to our plans to transform the NHS that

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we would raise the money from the wealthiest in our society, clamping

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down on tax avoidance get the change we need not from borrowing. You have

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called the next eight months a job interview for Prime Minister. Would

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you expect a future Prime Minister to remember what you have just

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called really important, the deficit? Yes, and I did, I talked

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about how we would not borrow more for the NHS. But look, people have

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to make their own judgements about this. I chose to give my speech as I

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have done for the last three years in this particular way. You can have

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politicians just reading out a speech... I think we have to change

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the way politics works, I think people want people to just come

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along and tell them what they think and that is what I did yesterday. If

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you did it again, would you mention the deficit? I am sure I would do it

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differently, even if I did it again today. I added bits that were not in

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the original text. That is the way I tend to do these speeches.

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And I'm joined now by the Shadow Leader of the House

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Welcome to the Daily Politics. The top two issues concerning the

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British people in the polls normally? The polls I have seen show

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that immigration and the economy are at the top, and the NHS rising

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extremely quickly. You are quite right, the NHS has been rising in

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third, but the polls ICS macroeconomy and immigration. -- IC

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is the economy. Why did he fail to mention them? He delivered the

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speech that he did, 67 minutes without notes. He left out three

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lines about the deficit, but you know... He left out more than that.

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He left out the issues that matter to the British people. Yvette Cooper

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is making a detailed speech about immigration and the Home Office

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amongst other things, and the issues there. But he is the man who would

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be Prime Minister. Ed Balls made a half-hour speech the day before,

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setting out the fact that Labour is absolutely determined to balance the

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books over the lifetime of the parliament, and get the deficit

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falling. The fact that Ed didn't mention the deficit in his speech

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yesterday does not change our determination to deliver, and we

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will do a lot better than a government that actually said it

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would balance the books by next year and is going to have a ?75 billion

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hole in the plans. All the more reason that if you win, you will

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inherit that. Absolutely, and Ed Balls was how league perfectly clear

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about that. We will come onto that. The people have a right to know what

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Mr Miliband would have said. We have put it up on the autocue. You want

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me to read it? In Ed's voice? No, your voice will be fine, it's the

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words that matter. "Friends, there won't be money to

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spend after the next election. Britain will be spending ?75 billion

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on the interest on our debt alone. That's more than

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the entire budget for our schools. So, as Ed Balls announced yesterday,

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Labour's plan is based Eliminating the deficit as soon

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as possible in the next parliament. borrowing. We will get the deficit

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down - immigration benefits our country but those who come here have

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a responsibility to learn English and earn their way, and employers

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have a responsibility not to exploit You have stopped reading now. I can

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stop reading now! Maybe I am doing a job interview for your job, Andrew!

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I thought you did that very well! These words are so important. It

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still baffles people that he couldn't remember them. He said on

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breakfast television he was the top of his head. He wasn't, he had

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memorised this speech. This is the style Ed likes to perform his

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speeches in. It is the way he has always done it. He has missed out

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hits before, I think in one of his speeches he missed out an entire bit

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on the environment, which is a particular passion for him. But that

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is not the first or second issue in the country. Andrew, because that

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happen, it does not mean that Labour's policy, intent or intention

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to deal with this has changed. On the budget deficit, is it your

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intention to balance the current spending budget or the whole of the

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budget in the next Parliament? What Ed has said is that we will balance

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current spending and we will get the deficit falling over the lifetime of

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the Parliament. But you could still run a deficit on investing, spending

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to invest, is that right? We have a government now that is saying it is

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going to invest huge amounts of money... I am not asking about the

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current government, I am asking about your government. You have to

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ask Ed Balls, since I am the shadow leader of the house. The deficit is

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a key issue. Are you going to balance the whole of the budget by

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the end of the next Parliament or just the current spending bit of the

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budget? Hi we have said we will balance current spending and get the

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deficit falling -- we have said we will Alan Scarman spending and get

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the deficit falling by the end of the Parliament. If the government

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will agree, we will check all the party manifestoes in the run-up to

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the election to see if they are credible. Why don't the government

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let the OBR do that? Unless your current spending surplus is bigger

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than your capital spending deficit, you can't draw down the deficit, can

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you? That's just plain arithmetic. Of course, but one of the things

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about what we have said is that we will get the overall deficit falling

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by the end of the Parliament and there will be tough fiscal rules. So

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the overall deficit will fall? That is why Ed Balls set out in some

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details on difficult choices in his speech on spending. That is why we

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have a 0-based review. They don't mean anything. They do, actually...

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Hang on, you might be cynical... Listen, you might be cynical about

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0-based reviews, but the whole of Whitehall and how you run government

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is about making choices. Our choices will be fairer. We will not give tax

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cuts to millionaires and the bedroom tax to other people. There will be

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fairer choices under a Labour government. You began this interview

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by saying that your policy was to balance current spending. You have

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now just told me that your policy is to cut the overall deficit. Which is

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it? The deficit is going to be falling

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by the end of the next Parliament, that is what Ed balls has pledged,

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that is what Labour government will do, but we will do it fairer, we

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will ensure that people have much more of a stake in society, we will

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increase low wages, we will give young people more opportunities, we

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will make sure that we are leading in the green industries for the

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future, we will build 200,000 houses every year. It is going to be... I'm

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sure it is going to be utopia... A utopia after ten years, not in the

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first five. When you say you will cut the debt, will you actually

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reduce the debt amount or will it simply be falling as a percentage of

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GDP? Ed has said that it will befall them by the end of the Parliament,

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he will set out, in his first budget, Leo rolls, clear fiscal

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targets, that is a matter for the Chancellor to do. -- clear rules. I

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may love for it to be a matter to me, it is not a matter for the

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shadow leader of the house. White simple question, when you say you

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will cut the national debt, will it fall in absolute terms? -- simple

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question: Will it be falling as a percentage of GDP? Which means it

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could still be writing in real terms. Check out the manifesto when

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we write it and produce it. Do you know yet? Do you know? Nip into

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Parliament when Chancellor Ed Balls is making his first budget speech,

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and then all will be revealed. Seven months before the election, and you

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cannot tell us what the policies are on the national debt. I have just

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told you what the policies are, what the targets are. Real terms or

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percentage of GDP? Which one? Let me ask you again? We will get current

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spending balanced, and we will get the deficit falling by the end of

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this parliament. I did not ask you that. That is what Ed Balls has

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said. Thank you very much. Parliament is gearing up for a

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recall. I'm joined by a couple of MPs who will be in Parliament for

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the debate, Adam Holloway, he was in the armed forces himself, he has

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recently returned from Iraq. And a member of the foreign affairs select

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committee is joining me, he was born in Iraq. I'm assuming that if the

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Iraqi Prime Minister does request written... -- Britain... What are

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you going to do, Adam Holloway, you have said to me that without a

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political settlement being made clear, you would not support air

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strikes, even against Isis. I'm going to be declared -- I'm going to

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be clear to David Cameron, but this is a problem for the people in these

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countries and in the region. It is clearly a big problem for us but we

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have seen in the disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan that it is not

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work, the headlines, US air strikes. We should be more measured, we

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should make it absolutely sure that the countries in the region, as the

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Kurds have, realise it is their problem, we should enable them. We

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should not be leading them, this is a path to disaster. You are yet to

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be convinced. Absolutely. Is now the time? If we get the request from the

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Iraqi Prime Minister that Britain should join America and other Arab

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nations. It is worth remembering, we laid on the humanitarian effort, we

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have led on the political settlement. Diplomacy taking place

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in Baghdad, with Ambassador Fred Baker and before that Simon Collis.

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We have upgraded the mission in Kurdistan. Now is the time, with the

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Arab countries: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, all of them

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joining in the military effort. Adding quite rightly says, the

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people on the ground, the host country, the Muslim Sunni Arab

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tribes. The Iraqi army, they have all got to take the lead in this

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operation. With the air support. They are not taking the lead,

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America is taking the lead, "US-led strikes", that is the headlines. We

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will be joining America, is that enough for you to say yes on Friday?

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Yes, speak with the people of Mosul, any of those places... Today, on the

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Turkish side, the Kurdish worth facing another massive humanitarian

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problem. Because they are coming over the border. -- Kurdish worth

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facing another massive humanitarian problem. The people they are

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fighting, Iraqi army, Kurdish army, they are taking the fight to Isil,

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not us. What we are doing is supplying air support, if we are

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asked to. Is it dangerous to delay any further? The former defence

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minister, Gerrit out, has said that it is an embarrassment that Britain

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is not already standing alongside the US in air strikes, if we wait

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for the political settlement to be clarified in the way we want it to

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be. I'm not talking about a political settlement but politics

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should come first. We have had emergency air strikes to prevent

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Kurdistan from being overrun, that had to happen, they prevented mass

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convoy is getting into the city. This is a bombing campaign, we have

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got to organised. All of those Sunni Muslims that are opposed to the

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government in Baghdad, they have got to get rid of Isis themselves. -- we

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have got to organise. That will take a long time, some commentators say

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it is too late, they say that it is too late to convince them, the Sunni

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tribes have turned a blind eye to Isis because in their mind, they are

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better than the Shia government in Baghdad. They did that in 2007, they

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purged, but now they have decided to come back in. Other tribes are

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joining in. It is going to take a long time. Barack Obama said it will

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take a long time, so did David Cameron, but the important thing, as

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Adam Rose verse two, the Sunni tribes, if they are going to join

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in, if they are going to do the fighting, they have got to have a

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political skin in the game. They have got to believe that they have

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got to have at the end of it a sunny National Guard. The Sunni community,

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playing host in Syria and Iraq, they have got to feel, after this

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period, when they purge Isil, which will happen, that they have a

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political settlement where they get to choose who leads them locally and

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who governs them and taxes them. -- National Guard. Would you support

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targets in Syria? -- Sony -- Sunni National Guard. Obviously, the

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headline political objective is very clear here, but the operation level,

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the tactical level, we have not yet worked it out, if you are a Muslim

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sitting in Iraq or Syria, what this is, it is America coming back in and

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bombing. This is not the right emphasis, it is the wrong way to do

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it. Do you agree with that? Do you support the idea of air strikes in

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Syria, because otherwise it is not a coordinated strategy. We have got to

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keep options open. Already we have seen air strikes. It is already

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happening with the US and the Middle East and forces. UK air strikes in

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Syria? Keep the options open, speak with the free Syrian army, taking

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the fight to Bashar al-Assad and Isil, they need the support to be

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able to do what they do, which is produced a unified government which

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looks after all of the minority-owned stop my message for

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the people around Bashar al-Assad, think about getting rid of him,

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think about having somebody else replace him. That is the only way

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that we will get to a resolution in Syria. Thank you very much. On

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Friday we will be hearing a lot more from these two MPs and others, when

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Parliament is recalled, which we presume is what is going to happen.

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That announcement may this afternoon.

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Lots of speeches, stale sandwiches and warm white wine

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but what's the Labour Party Conference really about?

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Eleanor Garnier's been looking at what gets done here.

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There is no mud but there is plenty of queues, it is a little bit like

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Glastonbury, for political nerds. You can even get your groove on.

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There is Harriet Harman, at a fringe event in 2013. You can even pick up

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a souvenir! The Labour Party conference used to be a real

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festival of the mock receive. Observers say that these days,

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things are a little different. The Labour Party conference has changed

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beyond recognition. Over the last 30 years. It used to be a great, mighty

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chamber, which the leadership had to obey. There used to be blazing rows

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in front of the television cameras. The stakes were very high. Policies

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were decided. There are, in front of our eyes. Now, the control is with

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the leadership, and the national executive committee. Previously a

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mighty body. They tend to bend to the rules of the leader, and anyway,

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it has less power. APPLAUSE Tony Blair brought in big changes to

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the Labour Party conference in 1997. That is when the national

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policy forum was introduced, to filter ideas and come up with policy

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pledges. Until then, that had all been the role of the party governing

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body, the national executive committee. Delegates at conference

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today still raise and debate urgent issues and vote on them, but the

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agenda is largely agreed before. Today, any sound of trouble is

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quickly dealt with, remember Walter, the lifelong Labour Party member,

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manhandled out of the conference in 2005, for heckling Jack Straw over

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the Iraq war. Labour later apologised. Then back to the 1980s,

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under Neil Kinnock. The conference could get pretty boisterous.

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Ken Livingstone, former Londoner, served on the national executive

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committee in the 1980s and 1990s, he is now back on it again. Do you

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still look forward to going to conference? It is a series of

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stage-managed events, platforms for leading party members to put forward

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their views and so on... Years ago, I would look forward to it all year,

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this was where party policy would be decided and the direction of the

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movement. But that has gone. Is there any point to conference? It is

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better than nothing, you can get hold of Ed Balls saying we should be

:26:36.:26:39.

building more council houses, you will argue about the number, things

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like that. It is the 1 chance where you can get to the party

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leadership. Normally you have got to go through security in the House of

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Commons! Nightmare. They may be disillusioned but they keep going, a

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bit like the die-hards of music festivals, basically cannot stay

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away. -- they simply cannot stay away.

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Is it worth going to conference anymore? Apart from whether or not

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they focus on anything that people care about, it is still worth

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coming, it is a great opportunity for the Labour Party and all parties

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to set out what they want to achieve, an opportunity for a coming

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together of a tribe, as it were. There was a lot of problems with

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conferences and all political parties, talking about re-engaging

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with people, they need to start thinking about all of these events

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here, as open and inclusive... Tribal rally, rather than a

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conference which used to take decisions, which would affect party

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policy? It is more like a US style political rally, convention, what it

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was supposed to be is a Parliament, the membership is much lower, and

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today, more of a case of a sign of the lobbyist side. A lot of

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activists are probably more comfortable with that. What was

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happened instead, the debate has shifted from the hall, and there is

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a lack of democracy in the Labour Party. There is a thriving scene,

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and on the key issues, housing, nuclear weapons, foreign policy,

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education. All of them debated, but the problem I face with it, a lot of

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people find this, a lot of people that the Labour Party was set up to

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fight for our not able to come here. Too expensive? The only people...

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Apart from the catering staff and the cleaners... If I was going to

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change conference, I would make it more democratic and more

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representative of the people that Labour says they fight for. It is

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fine to have a thriving fringe, but debate and good speeches, a lot more

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interesting than what is happening in the hall, but they do not

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determine policy, they are not the collective view of the Labour Party.

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That is what the conference used to be. A lot more complicated now, with

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the national policy forum. We can do chapter and verse with the national

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policy forum but everybody would turn off. We would like to keep the

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audience, please do not go down that road! There is an element of

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necessity to it, in the hall, having arguments, it would be fascinating

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to watch, but it would make the Labour government less likely. We

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need to find a way to increase levels of democratic representation,

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without turning into a messy bun fight. There was a time when votes

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mattered, and notions mattered, more so than the Tories. This was a

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decision taking assembly of the Labour Party rank and file. New

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Labour, the problem originally, it distrusted activists, had everything

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it could to keep them to one side, turning them into an army of

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leaflets deliverers. I think that fear was misplaced. Looking at some

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of the very popular decisions, scrapping the 10p tax, invading

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Iraq, public ownership of the railways... If they had listened to

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activists more, a lot of those decisions would have been very

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different. A lot of us have the suspicion that

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the real reason these conferences still go on, and go on for such a

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long time, four does, even though they don't ever take any decisions,

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is everything we have around here. -- four days. It is true of the

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Tories as well. The parties make a tonne of money out of people who

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have come to lobby, to exhibit, to get their case across. It has become

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a commercial exercise for Labour and the Conservatives rather than a

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political gathering. 1 of the most interesting thing is arriving on

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Saturday was that people were remarking how big the corporate

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section is. It is seen as a sign of how big it is and how likely Labour

:31:28.:31:33.

are to win the next election. 2011, they would have made money but not

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to the same extent as this time. You are completely right, it is a huge

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part. We need more transparency, not just here at the Labour Party but

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all parties. The lobbying was a missed opportunity, but in terms of

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the meetings that take place between lobbyists and perhaps a government

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in waiting, we need more scrutiny of that. The less of that kind of

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secret machinations, the better. We will all be back. Thank you very

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much. And now Adam's final moodbox

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from the Labour Conference. He tells me it's a classic

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of its genre. I think we'll be the judge of that.

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Here he is, with his balls. What motivates people to spend four

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days at the Labour Party conference? Is it the socialism or the

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socialising? Socialism, to be inspired about how we are going to

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have a Labour government. You have not been to any drinks receptions,

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parties? I haven't been to any parties, I have had a drink. Why do

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you come to the Labour Party conference? I want socialism back in

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the Labour Party, not a third way, not new Labour. You think it is

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quite a daft question? Yeah. White? Not just have a good time?

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Definitely not. Do you think anyone is here just to have a good time?

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Maybe the beautiful people, but I am a local councillor and it is about

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as against them. Socialising. Someone who is honest at last! What

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is the best party you have been to? Lean macro I think it has got to be

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the Co-op. What do we have on offer? Pies, quiches, pastrami. I love a

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pork pie. You go to a lot of parties. How the

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Labour Party 's rank? Compared to Annabel's? Much better. Why do you

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come to conference, socialism or socialising? If you are true

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revolutionary like Fidel Castro, shade of are, Hugo Chavez, you don't

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have time to socialise because people are more important. -- Che

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Guevara. You don't see Hugo Chavez on the dance floor much. Gangland

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style? We did it yesterday. I had Ed Balls on the right and Yvette

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Cooper... Do you want to recreate it now? Did Tony Blair like the

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socialising bit? Tony Blair only ever talked about socialising by

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saying he was in favour of social ism. Was he a party animal? He is a

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man who knows how to have fun. Are you going to a party now, dressed

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like that? We always dress like this. I focused on socialism to

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socialise! Do you and Harriet go to parties? Once in a blue moon. Do you

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get wind and dined? Not so far but if you are offering! I knock off in

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about ten minutes. What is the best party tonight? The Daily Mirror are

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having a party in Coronation Street. Have you got an invite? It is a bit

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late, I'm not sure I am going to make it. When is your bedtime?

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9:30pm every night. It seems like most people are here for the serious

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stuff. Anyway I am off to a champagne reception.

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He is always at a champagne reception. We had hoped to talk to

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Yvette Cooper today, Labour Shadow Cabinet member, but her speech is

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running late so it looks like we are not going to get her. However, we

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are joined by two people who could be the future of the Labour Party.

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Jessica Asato is standing in Norwich North.

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And Sarah Sackman is standing in Finchley and Golders Green.

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Welcome to both of you. Has this conference but a string -- placed to

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bring in your step? Absolutely, it has been fantastic. We have

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something to take to the electorate. I have people in my constituency,

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volunteers, phoning voters to deliver the fantastic message we

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heard yesterday on the NHS, house-building... Including the bits

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he missed out? Well, what we heard from Ed was a really strong message

:36:38.:36:42.

on the economy. We heard that there would be green growth, developing

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jobs, tackling low paid apprenticeships and that will

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resonate with my voters. Are you happy with the message? Very much

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so. You are both going to be on message in this interview, will

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there be any criticism? We go to the doorsteps every week and we talk

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about people's concerns and their fears for the future. The NHS has

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come up time and again as something people love dearly but they are very

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afraid if it is being undermined and privatised by this government. The

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message from Ed yesterday was fantastic, 20,000 extra nurses so

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people have time... That is just an aspiration, it's not a policy.

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Politicians on the left and the like are always promising as thousands of

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this, thousands of that, people are not impressed by that any more. Hold

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on a minute, it is not an aspiration, it is what we have

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committed to do if we get into government. There is a lot of unrest

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and people thinking politicians don't keep promises, so if anything

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the bar is even higher. We know we can deliver it. It will be fully

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costed, we will pay through it through a mansion tax on homes over

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?2 million. No-one has been able to tell me at this conference how would

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operate. Do you know? Ed was quite clear yesterday, the threshold will

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be ?2 million, there will be protections for those who are asset

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rich bass -- asset rich but cash poor. How would you value the

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homes? That is the detail that is to come. You cannot have the tax

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without the detail. The key thing is what the tax will pay for. It is not

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for the sake of it, it is to support an NHS which is creaking. The other

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thing about yesterday's speech is that Ed presented a 10-year plan, it

:38:39.:38:43.

was not short-term pie in the sky aspirations, it was a plan to say,

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we need to put our economy and NHS on a stable footing over ten years,

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a long-term forward-thinking plan for Britain. The eyes of voters just

:38:52.:38:57.

glaze over when you talk about 10-year plans. Most people know you

:38:58.:39:02.

cannot have quick fixes in politics, so that turns them off. Having

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someone who understands that they are long-term challenges, evil are

:39:07.:39:10.

more generous than you say. They know you cannot create change in the

:39:11.:39:15.

space of a year or two. -- people are more generous than you say. Is

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Ed Miliband and asset given his dire personal ratings? He is an asset

:39:24.:39:27.

because he is serious and he takes the serious problems facing this

:39:28.:39:31.

country seriously. So why are his poll ratings so bad? People are

:39:32.:39:36.

getting to know Ed and they like him more when he is at his boldest.

:39:37.:39:43.

White macro -- the more they get to know him, the lower his poll ratings

:39:44.:39:50.

go. We are ahead in the polls. The Labour Party is, absolutely. So why

:39:51.:39:57.

are his ratings so bad? People like our ideas, and those are the ones we

:39:58.:40:01.

heard Ed setting out yesterday. When people listen to what he has to say,

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they see a decent, intelligent man who is at his best when he is at his

:40:06.:40:10.

boldest. They like our ideas, that is why we are ahead in the polls.

:40:11.:40:15.

How can you win win a large percentage of even Labour voters

:40:16.:40:19.

don't think he is fit to be Prime Minister and you are 25% behind the

:40:20.:40:24.

Tories on economic credibility? We are not close to the election yet

:40:25.:40:28.

and many people are yet to make up their minds. You will know their

:40:29.:40:31.

money people who are don't knows and we meet them all the time. There has

:40:32.:40:37.

been a trivialisation of politics, I think, and people do look perhaps

:40:38.:40:40.

sometimes at the celebrity and the veneer. As Ed, in the end, people

:40:41.:40:46.

will judge the two Prime Minister real candidates at the next election

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on the basis of what they will do for the country, not how they will

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look. The public really get that. We shall see. Thank you. Ed Miliband

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promised 20,000 nurses, 8000 GPs, 5000 home care workers, extra

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midwives. Andy Burnham was on the show yesterday and he was warmly

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received when he spoke to the conference earlier this morning.

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Remember that solemn promise of no top-down reorganisation? It was a

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barefaced lie. APPLAUSE

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Days into office, the Tories set about dismantling your NHS. The plan

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that dared not speak its name before the last election is now playing for

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all to see. Run it down. Break it up. Sell it off. So today we serve

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notice on Cameron and Clegg. Thursday, made a seventh, 2015. --

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May seventh. Your day of reckoning on the NHS.

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A reckoning for trashing the public's most prized asset without

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their permission. And a reckoning for a ruinous reorganisation that

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has dragged it down and left it on the brink. A winter crisis in A

:42:29.:42:35.

Now a spring, summer and autumn prices too. Over 3 million people on

:42:36.:42:41.

NHS waiting lists. Families waiting longer for cancer treatment to

:42:42.:42:44.

start. The National Cancer target missed for the very first time. The

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NHS can't take five more years of Cameron. Our 10-year plan for the

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NHS is founded on people before profits. We will free the NHS from

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Cameron's market. And, yes, repeal his toxic health and social care at

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if it's the first thing that we do. APPLAUSE

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I can announce a big change in the way the NHS supports carers so they

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can keep going. No longer invisible but at the very centre of this new

:43:23.:43:27.

service. So today we announce new support for carers, the right to a

:43:28.:43:29.

break or respite care. The right to an annual health check.

:43:30.:43:42.

Help with hospital car parking charges. Why do we do that? Because

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they matter as much to me too. And we will go further. We will give

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all families the right to care in their home if that is what they

:43:56.:44:00.

want. A National health and care service. Truly there from cradle to

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grave. Make no mistake. This coming election is a battle for the soul of

:44:09.:44:15.

the NHS. The fight of our lives. Now we must all walk 300 miles for the

:44:16.:44:19.

NHS to every doorstep in the land. And we walk out from here would

:44:20.:44:36.

hope, with pride with passion, with a plan you can believe in. But in

:44:37.:44:41.

the end of this is about more than us. This is about you. Your

:44:42.:44:48.

children. Your grandchildren. Your great-grandchildren. It is about

:44:49.:44:54.

whether there will be an NHS still there for them in their hour of

:44:55.:44:59.

need, as it has been for you. Don't regret it when it's gone. Join the

:45:00.:45:04.

fight for it now. So I make this appeal to you. Help the party that

:45:05.:45:10.

founded the NHS. Give it a new beginning. Help us make it the

:45:11.:45:15.

service we all want it to be. An NHS that puts people before profit. An

:45:16.:45:22.

NHS that cares for the carers. An NHS there for your mum and dad. An

:45:23.:45:28.

NHS with time to care. An NHS for all of you.

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Passionate speech by Andy Burnham, on the last morning of the Labour

:45:35.:45:44.

Party conference here in Manchester, he has the delegates to their feet,

:45:45.:45:50.

with a strong defence of the NHS. It has been a continuing theme for the

:45:51.:45:54.

Labour Party throughout conference, putting the NHS centre stage in the

:45:55.:46:00.

upcoming election. It is clear from what Ed Miliband were saying

:46:01.:46:03.

yesterday, what Andy Burnham has just said this morning. In the

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Labour election pitch next May, the NHS will be at the centre of it.

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Injecting passion into this conference on the final morning. It

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is difficult to win an election if you are not trusted on the economy.

:46:22.:46:25.

and Labour's polling on economic credibility is poor - trailing well

:46:26.:46:28.

They are behind by as much as 25 points in recent polls.

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But has this conference made any impact on that?

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Jo Co's got some guests with her in Westminster:

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You remember the phrase, "it is the economy, stupid", these guests will

:46:42.:46:47.

be chewing over what Ed Miliband did and did not say. Alistair Feith, and

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Simon Walker. First of all, is it forgiveable that a man as leader of

:46:57.:47:00.

the Labour Party, who wants to be Prime Minister, to forget his

:47:01.:47:06.

passage on the deficit? Not really, that is the simple answer. Growth

:47:07.:47:12.

and economy and macroeconomic policy should be at the centre of what they

:47:13.:47:16.

are doing, if they really want to generate more revenue, to finance

:47:17.:47:19.

the NHS, and whatever else they want to do, they need an economy that is

:47:20.:47:24.

growing well, not damaged by deficit, that is not out of control.

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We need far more on macroeconomic policy and we got nothing. In city,

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in business, if you were watching, that is a major issue. Business

:47:34.:47:37.

reacted positively to some of the announcements that have come out

:47:38.:47:41.

during the conference, if not actually in Ed Miliband's speech. We

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have been very positive about the position on immigration, pledging to

:47:47.:47:52.

remove caps on immigration. Did she announce that? It was in a fringe

:47:53.:47:57.

meeting. I worry about the speech last night, Ed Miliband is not

:47:58.:48:01.

anti-business, he's not pro-business, he does not seem to be

:48:02.:48:05.

terribly interested in it at all! There is an awful lot of people in

:48:06.:48:08.

the Labour Party who run businesses, who know how they work, know the

:48:09.:48:12.

risks business owners take. There seems to be no recognition from the

:48:13.:48:15.

leader that the money has got to come from somewhere, and it comes

:48:16.:48:19.

from the private sector, it comes from people who start companies and

:48:20.:48:23.

mortgage their homes to get them going. No recognition of that.

:48:24.:48:29.

Instead, a pantomime villain: Hedge fund is, tobacco companies, fat cats

:48:30.:48:35.

in mansions. -- hedge funds. He says, soak them, they will pave

:48:36.:48:38.

everything. Does not work. says, soak them, they will pave

:48:39.:48:42.

was very clear in his speech about austerity, that spending restraint

:48:43.:48:46.

will continue, perhaps that is why it did not go down

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will continue, perhaps that is why win back trust in terms of handling

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the economy, balancing the books on current spending, not capital

:48:54.:48:57.

spending. Are those the things you want to hear? That is the point, the

:48:58.:49:01.

definition of balance budget means massive fiscal loosening, borrowing

:49:02.:49:06.

far more money than the College and is borrowing. Loosening on... ? --

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far more money than the coalition is borrowing.

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Timmy, we need to see much more... We need to see what the Labour Party

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means when it talks about austerity, how is it going to reduce the budget

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deficit and raise revenues, it wants to pay for everything it wants to

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do. -- to me. And they are not doing particularly well, in turn, that

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should inform the Labour Party. The budget deficit is going to be even

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bigger than we thought it would be. Target slipping, revenue is going to

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be even bigger than we thought it would be. Target slipping, revenues

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not coming in fast enough. There is a problem. The idea that the budget

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deficit is not an issue, completely wrong. Talking about Ed Miliband

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being "abusiness", they are pretty popular on some things. Means

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testing Winter fuel payment, 75%, mansion tax, ?2 million properties,

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72% in favour. 50p top rate of tax, 65%. You could argue that people

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like what they see in the Labour policies. But the leader speech

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coming up to an election has got to reach people outside of the comfort

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zone, outside of the established... These are people from all parties,

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Conservative voters supported that. Hitting those points is something

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that you can do for populist reasons but if you raise taxes, if you say

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you will impose new taxes on industries that have not had those

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taxes before, you are threatening the whole attractiveness of the UK

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as an investment destination. France has lost 95% of foreign investment

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over the last ten years. We are a great place to invest at the moment

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but he is threatening to put up taxes, capriciously, to fit a

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particular industry. That shows how you are indifferent to the plight of

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businesses. You will not be a welcoming destination for people

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wanting to put their money in somewhere. What about the increase

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in the minimum wage? Is that something that will put off

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businesses, some businesses have welcomed it. It has gone down well

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with the public. The key with increasing the minimum wage, all

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parties are committed to increasing the minimum wage but the question

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is, how far? Labour will go further than the current system. The big

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danger, if you increase it faster than productivity growth, on the

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margins you will lose some jobs, that is what quite a lot of people

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are worried about. The increase they are talking about is not that great,

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I don't think, but I suspect it is a bit too quick and will cost some

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jobs. I would like to see the minimum wage get to that level. Low

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pay commission has done a pretty good job of dealing with this over

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the last ten years outside of the political agenda. We do not want

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elections to become a wage auction, where somebody says it will be ?8,

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and they have already said, ICU ?8 and raise you ?10! Where'd you go?

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The low pay commission does a great job, let them doing it. Mansion tax,

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no frontbencher so far has been able to explain in detail exactly how

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about Mansion tax is going to work -- I see your ?8 and raise you ?10.

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You would have to extend the tax on far more homes and other properties.

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Looking at France, a country that has had a wealth tax for many years.

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Their tax taxes every asset from about ?1 million a year. I suspect

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that is the direction of travel, and that has been disastrous for the

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French economy, it is one reason my semi-French entrepreneurs have come

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to Britain. If you look at other countries that have tried to do

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this, the mechanism people talk about when it comes to the Labour

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Mansion tax is quite unfair. If you own a lot of homes were under ?10

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million, you will not pay it. -- ?2 million. If you are a buy to let

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landlord, you will not pay it, a pensioner that has retired may not

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pay it. It does not make sense. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

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Sadly, no Yvette Cooper, she is just getting onto her feet now, we have

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run out of time for her. But the Shadow Justice Secretary had his

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turn, he began by talking about his childhood memories in the 1980s, a

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Muslim son of Pakistani immigrants, he described it as a hostile time.

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But thanks to the Labour Party, he saw that change was possible. I am

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stood here today as your Shadow Justice Secretary. APPLAUSE

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The son of Pakistani immigrants from a council estate in South London,

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because of labour, anything is possible! APPLAUSE

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That same burning desire to fight for justice led me to be a human

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rights lawyer. Taking on tough cases. Bullying, deaths in custody,

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standing up for workers rights. Lives turned upside down, families

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ripped apart, because of injustice. Defending people 's dignities, and

:54:25.:54:27.

writing wrongs. And yes, transforming lives because of

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labour's human rights act. -- putting right wrongs. And that is

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why I am so appalled, I'm so appalled by Tory plans to abolish

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the human rights act. And will away from the European convention for

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human rights. -- walk away. They want to strip people of their rights

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and make the justice system the preserve of the rich. Tories are

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rubbing their hands at the prospect of governments free to ride

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roughshod over the sick, the elderly, the disabled, the

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vulnerable. Enlightened Tories who get this, like Dominic Grieve, they

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have been sacked! Forgetting that without enlightened Tories, like

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Winston Churchill, Europe would not have the human rights that we have

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today! You know, I bet that if Churchill were a minister today,

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David Cameron would have him sacked for his views on human rights.

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You cannot trust the Tories to protect people 's rights. The first

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battle we have, stopping the Tories in their tracks. Yes, get the

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European Court working better, but I say to you, Mr Cameron, we will stop

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you stripping the British people of their rights, we will block attempts

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to abolish the human rights act. We will not stand by while we see you

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block access to vulnerable people and we will not walk away from the

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European Court of Human Rights. APPLAUSE

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But we need to recognise the rights of people who have been neglected

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for too long. Victims. Rotherham and Rochdale are rightly seared into the

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public conscience, hundreds of girls, some as young as 12 years

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old, abducted, raped, trafficked. And yet they were not believed or

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they were ignored by the police and the authorities. This must never be

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repeated. Labour will act, we will bring in

:56:29.:56:39.

the country 's first ever victims law transforming the culture in the

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police, and in the courts, giving a voice to the most vulnerable. And,

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we will do everything that we can to stop people becoming victims in the

:56:50.:56:53.

first place. Punishing criminals but reforming them as well.

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We are now joined by the BBC's Ian Watson, through no full of its own,

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this conference has suffered by being sandwiched between the

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Scottish referendum and now, the likelihood of Parliament being

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recalled to deal with the Syrian situation, on Friday. It has

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diverted attention. It has been unfortunate, you can talk about the

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sandwich, some of the meat in the sandwich, some people did not find

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it palatable enough! After the existential threat to the UK that

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some people felt they were dealing with last week, senior staff up

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there, Ed Miliband, they were frankly quite exhausted, like the

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rest of us. English votes, that question resurfaced, did they

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respond quickly enough? That is why the atmosphere has been flat,

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difficult to get traction when you are not setting agenda, you are

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asked about Syria. The shadow of Iraq still hanging over Ed Miliband.

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He would like to go down the United Nations Road, new has got to be

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cautious, cannot sound robust. He is not leading the news agenda, he

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following it. We expect that Parliament will be recalled after

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the Prime Minister speaks with the leader of Iraq in New York. So far,

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the speaker says there has been no request yet, but the speculation on

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the Conservative benches is that it will be on Friday. Ahead of

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conference. Again, to some extent, Labour will have to think about what

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its response will be, whether they will support air strikes in Iraq, if

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we get the request. Whether they will do this in Syria,

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across-the-board, where the regime were requested no such thing. No

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rest for any of us! That is it for today and indeed from the Labour

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Party conference in Manchester, coming a world-class conference

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venue, thanks to the people in Manchester for being so kind to us!

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1pm news is on BBC1, we will be in London tomorrow with more of the

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run-up to the recall. I shall be back with this week, on Thursday.

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Is rocket science easier than you think?

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Well, BBC iWonder is full of great questions

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for curious people like us. They just keep on coming.

:59:19.:59:23.

Andrew Neil is in Manchester with the latest news and analysis from the Labour Party conference where he gets the thoughts of Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper. Jo Coburn is in London to discuss a possible recall of Parliament.


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