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Welcome to Manchester, where Ed Miliband it about to make his last


big conference speech his last before next year's General Election.


The Labour Leader will get to his feet in about 20 minutes -


we'll bring it to you live and uninterrupted.


Afternoon folks, and welcome to this Daily Politics.


It's only a short walk for Ed Miliband and his wife, Justine, from


the Midland Hotel to the Conference Centre here in Manchester which we


are waiting for in the next few minutes. We're told the NHS will


figure strongly in his speech and that taxes on houses worth over ?2


million, on hedge funds and tobacco companies, will be used to bolster


NHS finances. That suggests a core vote strategy rather than anything


too radical. We'll have the speech, interviews and analysis here and Jo


Coburn, who's out and about in the Conference centre. So we're on air


Until 3:45pm this afternoon, and maybe later. With me is the former


Minister Charlie Falconer and the BBC's political Editor Nick


Robinson. Labour Cabinet his speech will be 80


minutes, is that wise? I think people are willing to hear it,


particularly at a party conference. Taxing things that Labour may regard


as bad, like big houses over ?2 million, hedge funds, tobacco


companies to pay for the NHS, that is pretty much the core strategy,


isn't it? Remember in 1997 Tony Blair introduced attacks on the


banks to introduce a variety of employment programmes... He had a


windfall tax on utilities. That's right, but it was not regarded as


being a core strategy. He didn't campaign on that. Economic


responsibility was a vital part of the package. I think what Ed is


doing is saying that he can properly fund it. I think the wider public


would regard these as reasonable choices to make. The problem is that


none of these things may bring in very much money. The Office for


Budget Responsibility will look at these proposals and it will be


possible for the public to have an independent verification or not is


the case may be if the sums add up. At the moment we don't really know


how much a mansion tax would bring in, and would it just be the hedge


funds or all asset management? We don't what they mean by attacks on


the tobacco companies. And nobody can properly say what the details


are. I'm sure if you know the broad and bit you can work out whether it


will work or not. Why does this not feel like a conference that is on


the brink of power? I think it does feel like a conference on the brink


of power. I think there is a real sense we must be disciplined and


determined. It is also a conference sandwiched between two other great


events, the referendum, which is an event of such great electricity that


it is difficult to compete with that, and the issues in relation to


the Middle East and in particular the use of force, the prospective


use of force by the UK Government, they are making people see things in


a different way than normal. It is a problem when you are a politician,


you can get overshadowed by events, whether it is the Scottish


referendum or now the bombing is not just of Iraq but also Syria, and we


understand that at three o'clock this afternoon the president will


make a speech, British time. Obviously the Labour Party


conference is one thing going on in the world but I don't think that in


any way detracts from the mood here. It does make it less... It makes it


less excited because there is more focus going on in Scotland. You are


ahead in the polls at the moment. For a while. Three years. But Ed


Miliband himself has not been ahead in the polls. He is yet to convince


the British voter that he is prime ministerial. And that in some


respects will be determined by the prospectus he makes to the British


people, and today is plainly about what the prospectus is. I think it


is interesting that one of the things that came out of the Scottish


referendum was that the public do want change. A prospectus for change


has got to be laid out by the opposition leader. What also came


out of the Scottish referendum was that Ed Miliband was almost of no


importance whatsoever. I think the choice being given to the Scottish


people was in a sense either stick with politics as it is, or abandon


politics as it is, and I think Alex Salmond tucked into the sort of


insurgency that UKIP has done here. Can you remember Labour leader who


has had less cut through in Scotland than Ed Miliband? Labour leaders


have obtained the loyalty of Scottish voters. For a period of


time Tony Blair was not popular in Scotland. No, but he won landslides


in Scotland. Because people were voting Labour. I think the issues in


the Scottish rent -- referendum were not about Labour. But you could be


pretty sure Tony Blair would have played a major role in the


referendum campaign. I think he would have done, yes. Whereas Ed


Miliband didn't. He played more of a role than David Cameron. Partly


because Gordon Brown at the end... He was called in desperation! He had


a particular authority, and also Gordon represented the voice of


Scotland... He obviously is Labour but it was very much a Scottish


voice he was talking with. It is unavoidable that what was happening


in Scotland was a rejection of British politicians, including


Labour. Let's just go back and have a look at the pictures outside the


conference hall. They are still waiting for Ed Miliband to appear.


If he is running late and planning an 80 minute speech, we could be on


for a long while today. Apparently they were rewriting parts of the


speech up until the last minute, but I think that was probably to take


account of the moving events in the Middle East. Because he has to say


something with authority on what is happening in the Middle East at the


moment. I agree, and I think the role of the opposition in relation


to whether force is used is extremely important. What is the


mood of the party? Is it ready for... I put this in quotes...


Another war in the Middle East? Hold that thought. Here we have the


Labour leader getting a hearty welcome from his own supporters,


along with Justine Greening his wife, who is a lawyer. -- Justine,


his wife. This is always a big occasion in the calendar of any


leader of any of the major parties, the conference speech. You are


speaking to the converted, to the party faithful, you know you will


always get a great welcome. On the other hand expectations are high,


you have got to perform well, not just to reach out to the wider


public but also to send the party faithful away with a spring in their


step as they go knocking on the doors and doing the rounds. He has


disappeared into the conference hall. But not just for the faithful,


because you get huge media coverage. No speech is more


important than the one just before the general election. This is the


trampoline, the jumping off point for the campaign for the general


election, which we know will take place in 2015. It is a very


important speech anyway but particularly important. He has a


reputation for giving strong speeches at these conferences. Last


year he set the weather for a long time with his talk of price freezes


on electric companies. Whether the impact is lasting is another matter.


In a sense, because this is the one before the election, the pressure to


do something important is even bigger. One of the things about Ed


Miliband is that he is a very thoughtful politician. He puts huge


amounts of thought into the conference speech. A lot of time


goes into it so I think he will deliver on the expectations because


the problems facing the leader of the opposition or indeed any leader


at the moment are difficult and complex. Expect something good and


well thought out because that is what Ed is very good at. Let's go to


Jo, because she has been talking to delegates outside the conference


hall. Just about an hour to go until Ed


Miliband delivers his speech. Let's find out what delegates are


expecting. They are queueing up diligently and patiently waiting.


The queue goes almost out of the exhibition hall. Let's ask people


what they are expecting. Are you excited about the speech? Yes, it is


a great occasion and we are waiting to hear what the leader has to say.


Are you excited? Yes, I want to see a firm commitment to what the


changes will be when we come into power in 2015 so I am looking


forward to an inspirational speech. What about you? What do we want to


hear from Ed Miliband? I am excited to hear from Ed Miliband, what he


will do for us when he comes back into power. What do you want him to


do? Freezing the electricity bills and making school dinners free for


children from four years old until 11 years old. Let's move slightly


further up the line and ask these people here. Do you like Ed


Miliband? Yes, I think he is absolutely superb. He stands for the


values of grass roots Labour Party, and he is a strong leader without


falling for the slickness and nonsense that we see from the


Tories. Why is everyone round here saying the conference has been flat?


No, not at all! I think it was him! It was Stephen Pound! It has been


fizzing, this is the champagne conference. Let's come back, so you


don't think it has been flat? No, it has been exciting. I like the fact


they are getting rid of the bedroom tax and also getting rid of zero


contracts. What about if you are looking to the future, can you see


Ed Miliband as a future prime minister? Of course, he is an


intellectual, he is serious and brilliant, I love him. Will that


appealed to blue-collar workers, people with UKIP chomping at the


bit? If they listen to the policies, yes. We have got the policies. We


will stop the privatisation of the NHS, repeal the social care act, get


rid of bedroom tax, all of these policies which will appeal to people


throughout the land. Let's move along here. What about you, madam,


why is it that Ed Miliband's poll ratings are so low? I am a member of


Parliament in north Wales and people in my constituency want to see the


introduction of a higher minimum wage, they want to get rid of the


bedroom tax. With no disrespect to yourselves all the Westminster


bubble. So that is a snapshot of the delegates' views.


We welcome viewers from the BBC News Channel to this special on the


Labour Party conference live from Manchester where Ed Miliband is


about to make the leaders address. We're now going to be on air until


4pm this afternoon to accommodate our briefing that Ed Miliband plans


to speak for 80 minutes for the long, even by modern standards, but


there we go. You will get it all here on the BBC News Channel. Maybe


we can go back to the hall. People have been queueing up for ages to


get in there. You can see it's now filled up. It is an enormous


conference Hall in Manchester. We are sitting in the middle of what


used to be a railway station, the central Manchester railway station,


the huge railway hotel known as the Midland, just across from here, I


can see it through the window. A beautiful big red brick building.


Right in the heart of Manchester. This new world-class conference


facility in the centre of the city. A big crowd for Mr Miliband today.


Of course, that will help the atmosphere because the reason the


conferences have been queueing people, they have been building the


stages, adding to the middle of the hall, to take away people. This is


more like an old-time conference call. And it feels very full. The


conference looks like it's been very, very busy. It's looking great.


An issue which will determine the election, I would suggest, will be


the economy. It usually does. This is another problem for Mr Miliband


because labours economic credibility, even if they are ahead


in the polls, is 25% behind the Conservatives. That polls show but


you can see very significant efforts have been made to make it clear we


are fiscally responsible. The speech by Ed Balls was not going to delight


many Labour activists, and some paper suggested there was some


boring. Bash one of the things we have been


discussing is how you cost out proposals you're going to make in


preserving the National Health Service, you have got to be able to


fund that, so it's going to be careful series speeches. Which


indicate economic responsibility. There seems to be a problem, not


just an economic message but who is delivering it, Ed Balls, and lots of


people see him as part of the regime which reminds them of days where


things went wrong and Labour would rather forget. The Conservative


Party very effectively spent a lot of time in the aftermath of the last


election saying Labour were responsible for the economic crash.


Of course they went, it was a worldwide rush brought about by


banking, which affected the whole world, but I think many people


associate Labour because of that effective campaign by the Tories


with the crash full speed was not our responsibility for them are the


days when Labour could win,... I'm sure you're going to admit it's not


going to be a landslide for all parties. I do think Labour will


win. I don't think landslides are necessarily a thing of the past. I


think establishing a convincing economic narrative and delivering it


to people will deliver for one party or another possibility of some


substantial majorities that, at the moment, the public have yet to up


their mind. We are a four party system in the UK now. UKIP is turned


England into a four party system, like Northern Ireland, Scotland and


Wales. It remains to be seen whether you click on translate their


successes into the general election success. I'm not sure the public


think you are serious as an alternative. We don't know whether


their share of the vote will find their way. Ed Miliband will take to


the stage in just a few minutes. We came into the hall to show you that


and as we wait for him to speak, let's remind ourselves of the events


of the last 12 months in Labour politics. If we win that election in


2015, the next Labour Government will freeze gas and delicacy prices


until the start of 2017. At the next election we will present


a manifesto that explains how we can make the living wage a central part


of our strategy. We need a reckoning with our banks,


not for retribution but for reform. Today I asked to agree the biggest


changes to our party since 1918. Selfie. Would you like a chip? Can I


say to her, she's looking for new challenge, she should try wrestling


a bacon sandwich. This is everyone's flag, everyone's


country, and everyone. Full. A reminder of some of the highlights


of labour's year. A few minutes until Ed Miliband gets to his feet.


There you can see inside the hall, it looks like there's barely a spare


seat. Everybody has grabbed them. You can see behind, Labour's plan


for Britain's future. We're going to hear a lot about plans and we're


told Mr Miliband has a ten year plan in mind and six major parts to this


ten year plan he's going to spell out though I'm sure he's also kept


something up his sleeve. Just to keep us in suspense and to add an


element of novelty to these things. Stalin had a five-year plan so why


does he need a 10-year one? 80 minute speech, 10-year plan, it took


the eight hours. -- Castro. A 10-year plan because there's no


quick fix in relation to the economic issues and maybe with the


alienation issues as well. We have to move fast in Government but the


idea that these things can be fixed quickly is not right, like


reskilling the workforce. It does not happen quickly. This is a


crucial election for Labour to win because of the polls were to be


wrong and against a lot of the wisdom, the Tories were to win an


overall majority, not just coalition, would quickly put through


the boundary changes, 30 or 40 seats to them, English votes for English


laws, and they could be there for quite a while. So you need to win.


If we don't win, they will be those points, but there will also be the


point that we haven't won in the context of a recovery that wasn't


affecting very many people. There has been a long flat-lining period.


Also, we have been along time had in the period polls but not one. Joined


by Nick Robinson, a little late but I may put you into detention later


but not at the moment because we need you. What have we got in store?


More of what we said yesterday, the promised to spend a lot more


annually on the NHS, the talk is it might involve recruiting a lot of


new staff, possibly 34,000 new staff. Not straight away, but by the


end of the first Labour term, if the more one. The idea seems to be to


deal with shortages that everyone has been reading it, in terms of


nurses on wards, GPs, leading to people having to go to the A,


midwives and home care. That seems to be the centrepiece. Partly paid


for by the mansion tax, as I revealed yesterday, and partly by a


new tax on tobacco firms. Attacks on their market share, as I understand


it, and partly paid for by some tax avoidance measures but the detail,


we will have to wait for it for the and hedge funds is? Maybe that's tax


avoidance? There are a series of measures. If you are a Labour spin


doctor, you say you're taxing the bad things, to raise money for the


good things. The NHS. The message they want, tax the rich, tax the tax


avoidance, the people who make us sick rather than make as well, to


pay for the NHS. It may be a very good idea, it may help, but you have


to remember when you hear politicians of any party present


things in these ways, whatever they describe, whatever form of words


they use, it's just public spending and taxes. If you spend ?2.5 billion


extra, that is just a little bit over the NHS budget, 3% annually, on


that budget. What really matters is the baseline. The baseline depends


on the growth of the economy, the size of the deficit, and so on and


so forth, and you also have to remember, which is least been


discussed at this conference, the thing which allows Labour to promise


more spending is not simply new tax measures, though they are important,


but that they have looser borrowing rules for the next parliament than


George Osborne would have and according to the Institute for


Fiscal Studies, it allows them to raise many billions of pounds a year


extra compared with a Tory Government. They would say because


they are behaving more sensibly in the way they manage the public


finances. People will wonder how Labour can have looser borrowing


rules than the Government. It's a question of what you have is your


objective. How worried about debt and the deficit are you? And Labour


politicians I think would argue that yes, you should be worried, but


there is a balance between that and what is necessary to pay for public


services and ensuring you don't shrink the economy because you are


taking so much demand out. These are raw judgements in the end. Not


black-and-white decisions. George Osborne's policy is to try to end


the deficit by 2018, and Labour politicians will be able to tell you


again and again, he would've ended it by now so he is off target now,


already borrowing billions of pounds more than he planned to but that it


is objective to do it. They are taking a different objective. The


politics of this, if the NHS are taking centre stage in this speech,


and ways of raising money is for the NHS, does that suggest a


reinforcement of what has been known as the core strategy? Get out the


35% of the Labour vote, because of the electoral arithmetic, could give


you an overall majority? It will motivate the call voters but hard to


argue most voters don't care about the NHS. In that sense, I'm nervous


of this description of things as call vote strategies. I challenge


you to go into Manchester and find someone to say, who don't care about


the NHS. Even people with private health-insurance find themselves


dependent on the health service for the urgent treatment, long-term


care, when they are close to death for example. There is not money


people in this country don't care about the NHS. Also does not money


people who know that for the NHS, that is part of the Labour Party's


reason to exist. Why the need to make that a centrestage appeal?


Labour is way ahead in the public opinion polls on the NHS also


arguably, they have sorted that issue. Their problem is they are


behind on economic credibility and immigration. Ed Miliband is looking


for some weight to say to people Labour would make a difference to


your lives. At the same time as Ed Balls is saying, don't promise to


spend this and that. We haven't got the money. It's going to be


difficult, we have to make cuts, and the NHS allows them to square that


circle. If the money was being promised for other measures, albeit


good schemes, potentially, I think they would be walking into a trap


with the Tories could say, same old Labour, spend, tax and borrow. The


Tories who have difficulty with this policy. It is neatly packaged, tax


the wealthy to pay for the health service. Frankly, if the thought of


political conjuring, if you like, that George Osborne likes for the


remember when he said I'm going to cut inheritance tax that get the


non-dons, the Melfi to paper that. This is what opposition does,


symbolism. -- the wealthy. The problem is that oppositions


don't make the weather, the Government is in charge, and I would


not rule out that at some stage between now and the next Budget or


-- in March next year, George Osborne might well find two or 3


million that he will put into the NHS. I agree, but the announcement


of the mansion tax that George Osborne made, what about the energy


that made. And I suspect NHS announcements will make the weather


coming out of this stage, there is a sense that delays are increasing in


the NHS, there is an issue about whether there will be a winter


crisis in 2016, and to be addressing that now and funding it in taxing


things that most people would regard as being sensibly taxed like the


tobacco companies, it is a good personification of the choices they


will make. You can probably hear the noise coming from the hall. Mr


Miller -- Miliband has appeared. You can almost hear them willing band


leader to give a barnstorming speech to set them on the road to the next


general election. The campaign will begin in the middle of October, it


takes us through to May. It used to be only the Americans that have long


campaigns, now the British do too. Let's hear from the Labour leader,


Ed Miliband. I have just been speaking to Alan Henning, a British


hostage taken by ISIS. His wife, Barbara, maiden -- made a moving


appeal for his release over the weekend. Alan Henning is simply an


aid worker trying to make life better for victims of conflict. I


think it should tell us everything we need to know about ISIS and their


murderous ways that they take a decent British man like Alan Henning


hostage. It is not just British people that they are targeting. It


is people of all nationalities and all religions. That is why we have


supported the Coalition not simply based on military action but a


coalition based on humanitarian, political, and diplomatic action to


counter the threat of ISIS. This week the president of the United


States and the British prime minister are both at the United


Nations. We support the overnight action against ISIS. What needs to


happen now is that the UN needs to play its part. A UN Security Council


resolution to win the international support to counter that threat of


ISIL. Friends, this country will never turn our back on the world and


never turn our back on the principles of internationalism. And


those values, they are reflected not just in our country but in this


party, in this hall, and in this great city of Manchester. Friends,


it is great to be with you in Manchester. A fantastic city, a city


with a great Labour Council leading the way, and a city that after this


year's local elections is not just a Tory free zone but Liberal Democrat


free zone as well. APPLAUSE Manchester has special memories for


me because four years ago I was elected your leader here in


Manchester. For years on, I feel wiser, I feel older, I feel much


older actually! But hang on a minute, some of you look quite a lot


older as well. At least I've got an excuse! But I am prouder than ever


to be the leader of your party and I thank you for your support.


APPLAUSE We meet here in serious times. Not just for our world but


for our country too. Our country nearly broke up. A country that


nearly splits apart is not a country in good health. I want to start by


thanking all of Labour's Team Scotland for the part they played in


keeping our country together. Let us thank them all - Gordon Brown,


Alistair Darling, Margaret Curran, Douglas Alexander, Jim Murphy, JoAnn


Lamont. Let us thank them all because they helped save our


country! And I want to say to the people of


Scotland directly, this Labour Party will show you over the coming years


you made the right choice because we are better together. Here is the


thing. All of us, all political leaders, everyone in this hall has a


responsibility to try to explain why 45% of people voted yes. 45% of


people wanted to break up our country. We have got to explain why


the feeling we saw in Scotland is not just in Scotland but it is


reflected across the country. My story starts six days from the end


of the referendum campaign. I was on my way to a public meeting, I was


late, as politicians tend to be. Just outside the meeting I met a


woman, and I was supposed to go into the meeting but I wanted to stop and


ask her how she was voting. I did that to everyone on the street. One


vote at a time. She said she hadn't decided how she was going to vote


yet. Her name was Josephine and she worked as a cleaner in the building.


She said the company she worked for was decent but the wages were


rubbish. She hadn't decided because life was so incredibly tough for


her. She didn't want to leave but she thought it might be the best


thing to do. I don't know how Josephine voted in the referendum


but I do know the question she was asking - is anyone going to make


life better for me and my family? Here is the thing. It isn't just


Josephine's question, it is the question people are asking right


across Britain. Is anyone going to build a better life for the working


people of our country? That wasn't just the referendum question, that


is the general election question. I'm not talking about the powerful


and the privileged, those who do well whatever the weather, I'm


talking about families who work harder and harder just to stay


afloat. This general election is about you. You have made sacrifices,


taken home lower wages, you have seen your energy bills rise and your


NHS decline. You know this country doesn't work. My answer is that we


can build a better future for you and your family, and this speech is


about Labour's plans to do it, Labour's plan for Britain's future.


So, what do we need to have that planned for the future? We have got


to understand what people are saying to us across the UK. I think there


is a silent majority who wanted our country to endure but they are


telling us that things must change. They come from every walk of life,


like a young woman who works in a pub near where I live. She lives at


the opposite end of the country from Josephine, separated by at least a


generation, but they share a common experience. Because Ziamara has


worked hard, she has worked her way up to become a chef, but like


Josephine, life for her is incredibly tough. And by the way,


she thinks politics is rubbish. And let's not pretend we don't hear that


a lot on the doorsteps. What does she see in politics? She sees drift.


She doesn't think we have a solution to her problem, we have got to prove


her wrong. I think there is something almost even more important


about our country. People have lost faith in the future. The other day I


was in the park, I was trying to work on my speech and I wasn't


getting anywhere so I went to the park and there were two young women


in the park. They seemed excited to see me and they came over. It's not


that funny! And one of them actually said, so it is true, you do meet


famous people in this park. And the other one said, yes, it is. The


other one said, no offence, we were hoping for Benedict Cumberbatch.


Anyway one of them said something that really stuck with me. She


said, my generation is falling into a black hole. She said about her


parents' generation, they have had it so good and now there is nothing


left for us. She was speaking from millions of people across our


country who have lost faith in the future. Like Gareth, who is high up


in a software company. He has a five-year-old daughter, he is


earning a decent wage, he can't afford to buy a home. He is priced


out by the richest. He thinks that unless you are one of the privileged


few in Britain, the country is not going to work for you and your kids


will have a worse life anew. So many people across our country feel this


way. They feel the country doesn't work for them and they have lost


that faith in the future. Our task is to restore people's faith in the


future, not by breaking our country but by breaking with the old way of


doing things, by breaking the past. I'm not talking about a different


policy or a different programme, I'm talking about something much bigger.


I'm talking about a different idea, a different ethic for the way our


country succeeds. For all the sound and fury in England, Scotland and


Wales, what people are actually saying to us is that this country


does not care about me. Our economy does not work, and they are not


wrong, they are right, and this Labour Party is going to put it


right. Friends, to do that, we have got to go back to the very


foundations of who we are and how we run things. We just cannot carry on


with the belief that we can succeed as a country with a tiny minority at


the top doing well. Prosperity in one part of Britain amongst a small


elite, a circle that is closed to most, blind to the concerns of


people. Sending the message to everyone but a few, you are on your


own. Think about it for a minute. In our economy, it is working people


who are made to bear the burden of anxiety, precariousness and


insecurity. They have been told you are on your own. So many young


people think their life will be worse than their parents'.


So many small businesses are struggling against forces more


powerful than themselves. And the most vulnerable have been thrown on


the scrapheap cast aside not listen to, even when they have a case. They


have been told you are on your own. And, to cap it all, in our politics,


a few have access while everyone else is locked out. They have been


told, you are on your own. No wonder people have lost faith in the


future. That is why so many people voted to break up our country. Is it


any wonder the deck is stark, the game is rigged in favour of those


who have all the power? Friends, in eight months time, we are going to


call time on this way of running the country. Because you are on your




Because you are on your own doesn't work for you, doesn't work for your


family. It does not work for Britain.


APPLAUSE Can be build a different future for


our country? Of course we can. But with a


different idea of how we succeed. An idea that, in the end, won the


referendum, an idea I love because it says so much about who we are and


who we have in ourselves to become. An idea rooted in this party's


character and in our country 's history. An idea that build our


greatest institutions and got us through our darkest moments. An idea


that is just one simple word. Together. Together. Together we can


restore faith in the future. Together we can build a better


future for the working people of Britain. Together we can rebuild


Britain. Friends, together we can. APPLAUSE


together said is not just a powerful through the top whose voices should


be heard. It should be everyone. It's not just


a few wealthy people who create the wealth of our country. It's every


working person. Together says we can't just succeed with a country


with the talents of a few, but we must use the talents of all. We


can't have some people breaking the rules. Everyone has got to play


under the same rules and together says we have a duty to look after


each other when times are hard. Together, the way we restore faith


in the future, together, a different idea for Britain.


You might be thinking this sounds like a pretty big undertaking.


Changing the way our country is run. A totally different idea. That's


quite a big task. Is it really going to be possible? Can we do it? I


mean, if the 21st-century. Is that going backwards? It isn't. The


reason it isn't, is because that idea is everywhere around us to see.


In every walk of life. The inspiration is everywhere. The


different way of doing things. Early on I mentioned Gareth, who works as


a software company, worried about his daughter and the future. I


didn't just meet him but his colleagues as well and that software


company, the thing which shines through, it's full of bright young


people full of great enthusiasm but it isn't about the boss at the top,


each individual on their own, go to every person about company and they


say the same thing. You need to use the talents of every single person,


not just for software engineers, but the customer service, the accounts,


and go to ceremony great businesses across our country and they will say


the same thing to you. That is the ethic of the 21st-century in


business. We need great entrepreneurs. Britain needs great


entrepreneurs, but the greatest entrepreneurs recognised that there


are only as strong as their team. It's not just true in business.


There will be people who work in our brilliant National Health Service,


our brilliant National Health Service, friends.


Earlier this year, I spent a couple of days at an NHS hospital in


Watford. I wanted to go there to see how things look from the front


line, mainly I got in the way, really, but that's what politicians


tend to do. And I remember one evening I was in A at 9pm watching


nurses from different backgrounds, different walks of life, coming


together. I was incredibly moved, incredibly inspired by their


teamwork, so proud of our National Health Service.


Go to any great hospital, go to any great school, it is the team that


makes it strong and then think of our bread Armed Forces and that's


paid tribute to them today, friends. -- brilliant Armed Forces. Our


brilliant heretic troops are serving our country in the most dangerous


places. They will talk about the team and the team which makes it


strong. It is true of business, of public services, of the Armed


Forces, in so many walks of life, if the ethic of the 20th century was


hierarchy, order, planning, control the talents of the 21st-century 's


cooperation, everybody playing their part, sharing the rewards, the


talents of all together. Friends, it is time we ran the country like we


know it can be run. Here is a question for you. If the


challenge to run the country on this printable of together, can the


Tories be the answer? Can the Tories be the answer? That's better. I will


tell you why they can't be the answer because if you want the best


example of you are on your own, rigged the system for the powerful


view, insecure, throwback dogma, just look at this Government.


If you are a low paid worker, struggling to make ends meet,


working harder for longer for less, on your own, if you are in the


squeezed middle, you feel like you're treading water and you are on


your own. If you're on a zero hours contract getting up at 5am every


morning, to find out whether you have got work, they will tell you


that's how an economy succeeds and you are your own. If you are worried


about the railway companies, the payday lenders, they don't want to


do anything to help you. You are on your own. If you're one of the 9


million people who rent your home in the private sector they are


certainly not going to do anything for you. They will tell you you are


on your own and why? Because they say intervening would be like


Venezuela. That's what they say. They say they don't believe in


Government intervention. Really? Of course they do. Because if you are a


millionaire who wants a tax cut, they are certainly going to


intervene to support you. You are not going to be on your own.


If you are a banker, who is worried about your bonus, it's good news for


you because George Osborne is going to go all the way to Europe to fight


tooth and nail to try to protect it. You certainly won't be on your


own. If you are an energy company whose prices and profits are


soaring, good news again, you have got a Prime Minister who will be


your own PR man. You won't be on your own. And, by the way, if you


are a Conservative supporting, gold mining, luxury hotel owning, Putin


's award-winning Russian oligarch, and you have ?160,000 to spare, to


bid in an auction, you won't be on your own. You will be on a tennis


court saying doubles with David Cameron. That tells you all you need


to know about this Government. -- playing doubles.


Now, look, we know we have a fight and in the next eight months David


Cameron will talk about the past and not going to talk that much about


the present and the future. Why? He is going to tell you, the British


public, that none of the problems in our country are anything to do with


him. He has done a really outstanding, tremendous job and he


really deserves a lot of congratulation and thanks. For


Britain. You've done a great job, all the problems are nothing to do


with him, and if you just hang on till after the general election,


things are about to turn the corner for your family. The British people


will have to be the judge of this. And I think there are some things to


bear in mind. The record of this Government, friends, is not just


mediocre, it is one of the worst ever.


The longest fall in living standards since 1870. Wages rising slower than


prices for 50 out of 51 months. For your family, five years of this


Government, five years of sacrifice, zero years of success.


Now, you might think that David Cameron is right and things are


about to turn around for you and your family full as I say, the


British people will have to be the judge of this. But isn't there a


second more plausible explanation for their record? A Tory economy is


always an economy for the few. Because that is who they care about.


That is the basis on which they think a country succeeds. And so the


past with this Government is a good guide to the future. Your family


worse off. You can't afford to take that risk. The British people can't


afford another five years of David Cameron.


Now, I have got an idea for our Prime Minister. He likes surfing. He


likes playing that game Angry Birdss Andy likes tennis with


Russian oligarchs. I've got a great idea. Why don't we give him all the


time in the world to do all those things next May, and let's send him


into opposition. It's up to us. We have to build a


future for you and your family. That is what Labour's plan for Britain's


future is all about and today I want to lay out six national goals, not


just for one term of office, or one year, but a plan for the next ten


years. Britain 2025. The day one of me as Prime Minister. This is the


plan and these are the goals I want us to pursue. You might ask why ten


years? I will tell you one of the reasons. People are fed up with


politicians who come along and say vote for me on day one, everything


will be transformed. Friends, the British people won't believe it. It


is what I call doing a Nick Clegg. When Nick Clegg broke that promise


on tuition fees, he didn't just destroy trust in himself and the


Liberal Democrats, he did something else. He destroyed trust in politics


for them every time a promise is broken, every time a false promises


made, every Time we say vote for us and tomorrow everything will be


totally different, people get more and more cynical, more and more


turned off, people think politics is more and more a game and all we are


in it for is ourselves for the that's why I plan for the next ten


years, not a plan which says nothing changes, but a map for the country,


for people like Gareth who I talked about earlier. For the young woman


who wanted as he Benedict Cumberbatch and ended up with me and


said, my generation is falling into a black hole. I want to know there's


a future for me. That's what this plan is about and our plan starts


with rewarding hard work once again because that's what we're got to do


with country. One in five of the men and women who go out to work in our


country do their bit, make their contribution, put in hours and find


in low pay. Appeal with Britain's traditions,


that should shame us all. Our first national goal is that we halve the


number of people in low pay by 2025, transforming the lives of 2 million


people in our country. The principle of together says we


don't just use the talents of everyone, we reward the talents of


everyone and the minimum wage has got to be a route to bringing up the


family with dignity so we will raise the minimum wage by ?1 50 per hour


by 2020, a rise in pay of ?60 per week for a work on the minimum wage,


or ?3000 per year. The Tories are the party of wealth and privilege,


Labour is the party of hard work fairly paid. It is all working


people who should have their talents rewarded so our second national goal


is that all working people should share fairly in the growing wealth


of the country. That means as the economy grows, the wages of everyday


working people grow at the same rate. You know what is amazing is


that that statement, that goal is even controversial. It used to be


taken for granted in our country that that is what would happen. That


is what the cost of living crisis, which the Tories don't understand,


is all about. We need a government with a single focus on tackling it,


and key to this is transforming our economy so we create good jobs at


decent wages. That requires a massive national effort, the


principle of together, everyone playing their part. For the


Government it means no vested interest, no stale mindset should


stand in the way of restoring this. It means reforming our banks,


breaking up the big banks. So that we have the competition we need in


our banking system. It means getting power out of Whitehall. We are far


too centralised country, it is time we did something about it, it is


time we transferred power out of Whitehall to our businesses, towns


and cities so that they can create the jobs, the prosperity, the wealth


that they need. It is about businesses and trade unions engaging


in cooperation, not confrontation, and it is also about something else


- it is using our historic values to fight for those at the front line of


the modern workforce. I'm talking about a group of people that we in


the Labour Party haven't talked about that much, and we need to talk


about them a lot more, the growing army of self-employed. 5 million


people in our country, often the most entrepreneurial go getting


people who have a difficult, insecure life very often. Because of


the jobs they do, two out of three don't have a pension. One in five


cannot get a mortgage. They don't want special treatment, they just


want a fair shot. The task for this Labour Party is to end this


21st-century modern discrimination and it is to fight and deliver equal


rights for the self-employed in Britain.


I said earlier that we need to create good jobs at decent wages to


transform our economy. Those jobs are the future so our third national


goal is that by 2025, Britain becomes truly a world leader in the


green economy, creating 1 million new jobs as we do. Under this


Government, we are falling behind Germany, Japan, the United States,


even India and China when it comes to green technology and services.


There are so many brilliant businesses who are desperate to do


their part but the Government is not playing its part. With our plan, we


will. We are going to commit to taking all of the carbon out of


electricity by 2030. We are going to have a green investment bank with


powers to borrow and attract new investment, and as Caroline Flint


will announce tomorrow, we will devolve power and resources to


communities so we can insulate 5 million homes over the next ten


years. The environment is that fashionable any more in politics, as


you may have noticed with David Cameron, but it matters. It is


incredibly important for our economy and there is no more important issue


for me when I think about my children's generation and what I can


do in politics than tackling global climate change. We need a plan for


jobs, we need a plan for wages. We need a plan that can actually help


the working families of our country. At the heart of our plan for our


country and your family is also a future for all of our young people.


I met somebody called Elizabeth the other day, where is she? She is


here. Why don't you stand up for one second. Elizabeth is an apprentice.


APPLAUSE Elizabeth is an apprentice, and auto


electrician. I think it is fair to say you are breaking through what


has been up until now pretty much a man's world. Let's have a round of


applause for what she is doing. She is one of the lucky few. Actually


Elizabeth's school, because I met her yesterday, her school helped her


to get an apprenticeship but so many other schools don't do that. Lots of


the young people I meet on apprenticeships say, my school said


apprenticeships were rubbish and they wouldn't help me, but now I am


doing it, it is really great for me. Frankly there are not enough and


they are not high-quality enough so our fourth national goal is that by


2025, as many young people will be leaving school or college to go onto


an apprenticeship as currently go to university. I have got to tell you,


this is an absolutely huge undertaking. We are such a long way


from this as a country. It will require a massive national effort.


It will require young people to show the ambition to do well and to get


on. It will require schools to lead a dramatic change in education, with


new gold standard technical qualifications, and it will need


business and government to lead a revolution in apprenticeships.


Government is good at preaching to business about what it should be


doing. Let me tell you, government is absolutely useless when it comes


to apprenticeships, and it is true of governments of both parties. In


Germany they do a fantastic job of giving apprenticeships to the next


generation. We don't do that in this country so first we have got to


tackle the failure by government, then we say to business that you


have got to play your part. If you want to bring in a worker from


outside the European Union, that is OK, but you must provide an


apprenticeship to the next generation. We cannot have what is


happening at the moment in IT where you have got more and more people


coming in but the amount of apprenticeships falling in IT. We


have got to say to business that we are going to give you control of the


money for apprenticeships for the first time but in exchange, if you


want a major government contract, you must provide apprenticeships to


our young people. The plan for jobs, for wages, for education, but what


is it, what are the things that give confidence and security in life? It


is the love of people we care most about, decent work properly


rewarded, but also the security of having a home of your own. That


British dream of home ownership is fading for so many people. Under


this Government we are building fewer homes than at any time since


the 1920s, so our fifth national goal is that by 2025, for the first


time in 50 years, this country will be building as many homes as we


need, doubling the number of first-time buyers in our country.


Again, it will require a massive national effort. We won't let large


developers sit on land. We will say to small developers of construction


companies that we will help them to build homes again in our country. We


will build a new generation of towns, garden cities and suburbs,


creating over half a million new homes, and we will also make housing


the top priority for additional capital investment in the next


Parliament. This party will get Britain building again. Your family


also needs public services you can rely on. Education, policing,


transport. Nowhere is that more true than for the national health


service. I mentioned earlier that I spent a couple of days at a hospital


in Watford earlier this year. I met an amazing man called Colin in his


80s who sadly died a few weeks later, but I will always remember my


conversation with him. He remembered the foundation of the NHS. He


remembered what life was like before the National Health Service. I


remember him saying to me, Ed, the problem then was you were on your


own, on your own having to pay for medical treatment. Friends, we are


so proud of our National Health Service and I know my duty to Colin


and the British people is to make sure our NHS is there when we need


it. So our sixth national goal is that we create a truly world-class


21st-century health and care service, because the hospital is


only as good as the services in the community. That is the biggest


lesson I learned in Watford. If people cannot get to see their GP,


if elderly people cannot get the visit they need, they end up in


hospital when it could have been avoided. That is bad for them and


bad for the taxpayer. It costs billions of pounds. Let's face it,


those services are creaking. One in four people cannot get to see their


GP within a week. We have had the scandal of home care visits for the


elderly restricted to just 15 minutes. In this day and age. The


NHS faces huge challenges over the coming years. We will transform our


NHS. It is time to care about our NHS. We need doctors, nurses,


midwives, care workers who are able to spend proper time with us, not


rushed off their feet. So we will set aside resources so we can have


3000 more midwives, 5000 more care workers, 8000 more GPs and 20,000


more nurses. And NHS with time to care.


In order to pay for it, we won't borrow an extra penny. Or raise


taxes on ordinary working families. We will clamp down on tax


avoidance, including tax loopholes by the hedge funds, to raise over ?1


billion. We will use the proceeds of a


mansion tax on homes above ?2 million. And we will raise extra


resources from the tobacco companies who make soaring profits on the back


of ill health. Because, friends, the principle of


building it together means everyone playing our part in making our NHS


what it needs to be. In total, we will set aside ?2.5


billion in an NHS time to care fund and tomorrow, Andy Burnham will set


out our integrated plan for physical health, mental health and care for


the elderly. Truly a 21st-century National Health Service.


The stakes are incredibly high at the selection and nowhere more so


than on the National Health Service because we know the NHS is sliding


backwards under this Government. We know they are privatising and


fragmenting it. Just imagine what another five years of David Cameron


would mean for our national health service, friends. We are not going


to let it happen. Our NHS is too precious, too important, and we will


not let it happen. Friends, we built the NHS, we saved


the NHS, we are going to repeal the health and social care bill and we


are going to transform our NHS for the future. That is what the next


Labour Government will do and, friends, we will do it together!


Six national goals, friends. To transform our country. Not a false


promise on day one. Not some pie in the sky idea that can't be


delivered. Real concrete ideas that can transform our country. That can


restore faith in the future. A plan for Britain's future. Labour's plan


for Britain's future. But to make that happen, we also have to do


something else. And transform who has power in our country. So that


those who feel locked out feel let back in. You know people think


Westminster politics is out of touch, irrelevant, and often


disconnected from their lives. As someone who stands at Prime


Minister's Questions each Wednesday, I often know what they


mean. We might as well say it. It's what people think about politics.


They think it's not about them, and we have got to change it for that we


don't need to just restore people 's faith in the future, with the


economic and social plan, we need to change the way politics works in


this country. What does that mean? First of all, it's time to hear


young people in politics so we will give the vote to 16 and 17-year-olds


in general elections. It's time to complete the unfinished


business of the reform of the House of Lords so we have a true senate of


the nations and regions. And it's time to devolve power in England.


And I'm incredibly proud of our proposals, ambitious proposals, to


reverse a century of centralisation and there can be no better place to


be talking about this than here in Manchester, devolving power to local


Government, bringing power closer to people right across England.


And we need bigger reform of our Constitution full here is the thing,


friends also given Everton and about what people think about Westminster


politics, it has got to be led by the people for the bid can't be some


Westminster stitch up. That is why we need a proper constitutional


convention harnessing the civic energy and spirit are people right


across our land. England, Scotland, Wales, every part of United Kingdom.


But you know I've realised something else. Giving people voices is also


about recognising who we are as a nation. We are more than ever four


countries and one. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland


and Britain, too. Each nation making its contribution. We're not just a


better together, we are greater together. And that's not something


to fear. That is something to be proud of. I learned something really


important, as I'm sure we all did, in this referendum campaign. All of


those people who are proud to be Scottish and proud to be British,


just like you are so many people who are proud to be Welsh and proud to


be British, no one more so than our brilliant First Minister of Wales,


Carwyn Jones. Let's hear it for him today, ladies and gentlemen.


And so to we can be proud to be English and proud to be British. And


I say to this party, we must fight for these traditions and not see


them to others. Englishness, a history of solidarity, from the


Battle of cable Street against Oswald Mosley and the Blackshirts,


to the spirit of the Blitz, Englishness, traditions of fairness,


from the Ford workers at Dagenham who fought for equal pay, to


today's campaigners for the living wage. Englishness, a spirit of


international is, from those who fought in the Spanish Civil War to


our generosity to those overseas. Friends, there will be some people


who tell you that being English, Welsh or Scottish means dividing or


setting ourselves against each other. Rubbish. Why? Because here is


what we, the Labour Party, no. The injustices facing working people


face them right across the United Kingdom. And we can only tackle them


together. That is, after all, what we spent the last two years fighting


for and I am not going to let anyone, after the last two years,


drive us apart. And if David Cameron cares so much


about the union, why is he seeking to divide us? He is learning the


wrong lessons from Scotland. He is learning the wrong lessons from


Scotland because what he doesn't understand is that the lessons are,


of course, about the constitution, but they are not about playing


political tactics about England. And here is why he is doing it. David


Cameron doesn't lie awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom.


The lies awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom


Independence party, UKIP. That is why he is doing it, friends. And I


say, pandering to them as just one more reason why he is not set to be


the Prime Minister of this great country.


So, better together across United Kingdom but also better together


true to our traditions of internationalism, and nowhere is


that more true than when it comes to Europe and the European Union.


Friends, let me say it plainly, our future lies in the side, not


outside, the European Union. -- inside.


We need to reform Europe for that we need to reform Europe and the


economy on immigration, benefits, all of these big issues but here is


the question for Britain. How do we do that? Do we reform Europe by


building alliances or by burning them? What is really good as we've


had a recent test case by David Cameron of his strategy. I don't


know whether you missed it but about somebody called Jean-Claude Juncker.


In case you missed the score, it's not so good from his point of view,


because we lost by 26-2. Why did he lose? Because at the start people


thought he might win that a vote for such I will tell you why. Because


the problem for our country is that when David Cameron comes calling,


people don't think he's calling about the problems of Britain or


Europe, they think he is calling on the problems of the Conservative


Party. Here is a funny thing, friends. If you are elected


Chancellor of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, the President of


France, you don't really think you are a letter to solve the problems


of the Conservative Party. -- elected to solve the problems of the


Conservative Party. That's why he can't succeed for our country. What


we had over Jean-Claude Juncker is just a preview of what could be for


this country if David Cameron was back in power after 2015. Because he


lost 26-2 over that. He has to win 28-0 to get a reform of Europe,


unanimity. No chance for David Cameron. He has got no chance of


fighting for this country. People think he's got one hand on the exit


door and his strategy has failed. If you want to reform Europe, change


the way Europe works, if you want to keep Britain in the European Union,


and if you realise that the biggest threat to our prosperity is now the


Conservative Party, the right answer is a Labour Government.


I am determined, as Prime Minister, to promote our values all around the


world and one of the things that means, friends, is seeking a


solution to a problem that we know in our heart is one of the biggest


problem that we know in our hearts as one of the biggest problems our


world faces. And that is issues in the Middle East, Israel and


Palestine. I'd tell you, I will fight with every fibre of my being


to get the two state solution, Israel and Palestinian state living


side-by-side. That will be a very, very important task of the next


Labour Government, friends. There's one other thing I want to


say by what we need to do abroad. We have made extraordinary progress on


lesbian and gay rights. Over the last 20 years. When I think other


transformations I have seen growing up into adulthood, it's the biggest


transformation for that we have got such progress on the quality. But we


have to face the fact internationally, things are going


backwards. We can't just let that happen for that we can't just say


that's OK. This Labour Government will fight to make sure that we


fight for our values and for human rights all around the world so today


I can announce that I am appointing Michael Cashman, Lord Cashman, as


our envoy on LGB Teague writes all around the world. -- LGB


It is about a plan at home and abroad but it is also about


leadership. The next nine months represent my interview with the


British people for one of the most important jobs in our country. I


care about big ideas that can change our country, the principle of


together. I care about hearing the voices of people right across our


land and not shutting them out. I care about using the power of


government to stand up against powerful forces when we need to do


so. It came home to me the other day when I met Rosie, the doctor from


Devon, and she said to me that we need someone who can stand up for


working, everyday people, because you will have the power and we


won't. That's why I stood up to Rupert Murdoch over phone hacking,


that's why I stood up to the payday lenders over their exploitation of


the poorest people in our country, that's why I stood up to the energy


companies, and it's why I stood up to the Daily Mail when they set my


dad hated Britain because I know my dad loved Britain. APPLAUSE


That is me, but what about the other guy?


This isn't a conventional job interview so I get to say something


about him. He stands up for the principle of you are on your own, he


stands up for the privileged few. He really thinks a good photo


opportunity will fool people into thinking that he doesn't really


stand up for the rich and privileged, he stands up for you and


your family. In this day and age when people are so cynical about


politics, I think it adds to that cynicism. Here is the thing. He has


been found out, because he hugged is a husky before the election, then he


said cut the crap after an election. He was standing outside a hospital


before the election with a placard saying no hospital closures, and he


closed that very same A department after the election. He changed his


logo to the tree before the election, then tried to sell the


forest after the election! And he has been found out because he said


he was a compassionate Conservative before the election, and he imposed


the cruel, vindictive, the unfair bedroom tax after the election. And


you know what gets me even more? Even now, with all the tales of


misery, hardship, injustice, he thinks a bit of rebranding will get


him off the hook so he calls it the spare room subsidy as if that will


make the problem go away. Well, David Cameron, you have been found


out. Friends, there is a choice of leadership at this election, a real


stark choice of leadership. Leadership that stands for the


privileged few, or leadership that fight for you and your family. This


isn't just about leadership, the Government and Labour's plan for


Britain's future, it is also about all of you. We cannot build the


country we need without you, without mobilising every part of Britain. So


I say to young people, we need your hopes, your energy, your vitality. I


say to every older person, we respect your service and we need


your wisdom. I say to every business, you can be part of this.


We cannot do it without you. I say to every entrepreneur we need your


ideas, your enthusiasm. I say to every charity, we admire your spirit


and we want to hear your voice. I say to every nurse, every teacher,


every public service worker, we salute your dedication and we know


why you do what you do. I say to every person in our country who


believes that tomorrow can be better than today, we need you. Together we


bring up our families, together we look out for our neighbours,


together we care for our communities and we build great businesses, the


best in the world. We teach the young, heal the sick, care for the


cold, create keels for terrible diseases, so of course together we


can rebuild our country. We can reward hard work, we can make sure


the best generation does better than the last. Together we can make our


NHS greater than it has ever been before. Together we can make Britain


proud, stronger in the world, we can restore faith in the future. On our


own we cannot, but together we can. In the next eight months, the


British people face one of the biggest choices in generations, the


choice between carrying on as we are, on your own for the privileged


few, are different, better future for our country. We are ready.


Labour's plan for Britain's future, let's make it happen together. Thank


you very much. APPLAUSE


Ed Miliband finishes his speech to the Labour Party conference of


2014. It wasn't quite 80 minutes but it was almost 80 minutes. A lot of


use of the word together, sounding like the Pet Shop Boys, as the


conference rises to his feet. A kiss from the wife for a job well done.


He outlined his plan for Britain, covering housing, jobs, the NHS, and


it was only when he came to the NHS that the speech really came alive in


the conference hall. Ed Miliband outlined ways in which extra money


would be raised to increase the number of doctors, nurses and other


people in the health service. That was the centrepiece of what his


message was not just of the party faithful today, but to the wider


electorate watching at home. It is always a bit of an ordeal for the


party leaders, these speeches. Time now to relax and take the applause.


Let's hear about how they are reacting in the conference hall.


Ed Miliband began his speech with reference to the situation in Syria


and Iraq and indeed while Mr Miliband was speaking here in


Manchester, the president was making a speech in the United States in


which he said that this is not America's fight alone, referring to


the bombing attacks on Syria, as well as Iraq. What we didn't get


from the Labour leader was exactly what Labour's policy would be,


should Britain decide it wants to take part in these attacks as well.


That is something we may follow up with in a moment. The speech is


over. He is about to leave the hall, probably put his feet up for a


couple of minutes. It was a long speech, even by modern party


conference standards. Charlie Falconer is still with me, Nick


Robinson has just rushed back from the hall. What did you make of it?


He described the next eight months as a job interview but he didn't try


really hard to sell himself. He tried instead to sell an idea,


summed up in that word together. I didn't count, but well over 100


times. He chose one simple policy to summarise that idea, the NHS. In a


way you could strip the entire speech down to two sentences,


believed Labour has, the symbol of that being investing in the NHS.


Lots more goals and policies, many of them familiar, but in its essence


that was it. I thought it was a meaty speech, well delivered. We


said before it started there was considerable pressure on him, he


rose to the occasion I thought. I don't agree that it is only about


the NHS, it is meaty because the six promises contained more policies,


and he talked about the extent to which people are bearing the burden


of the crisis, and he spoke about how to solve it. I don't agree with


you completely that it was as stripped down as you say. It was


really well delivered and there is real substance in it and there is a


speech that will repay a lot afterwards. I have just been told he


said the word together 51 times. What did he say about the economy?


He indicated the need for apprenticeships. He didn't speak in


any detail about macro economy policy but he was talking about the


future. He specified how he was going to paper the extra jobs in the


NHS that he identified. You cannot afford to do any of that unless you


preside over a strong, growing economy and he had nothing to say


the economy. Ed Balls dealt with that yesterday. He hopes to be the


prime minister, and also hopes to be the first Lord of the Treasury. It


is not incumbent on a man who would be our Prime Minister to talk about


his economic policy? That was done by the Shadow Chancellor. This is


the speech covered live on afternoon television, the one that is


dissected, and it is the economy that will determine the election,


and yet the leader of the opposition didn't outline his economic policy.


If you don't have economic policy, you don't have the health service.


You mean what we are going to do about the deficit, and that is what


Ed Balls dealt with yesterday. Why repeat it? What did he say about


growth? He indicated that we would be cutting the deficit. That is what


the Conservatives believed in. We believe in not so deep and not so


long. I think it is striking that this was more about the goals that


would be achieved if you could restructure the way the economy


delivers for ordinary people, that has been the key theme of the


Miliband leadership throughout. He spelt out with a series of long-term


goal how exactly that would be done. My point about the NHS being the


symbol is that Labour know that the ratings of Ed Miliband are not


high, he didn't try to change them in terms of telling a story about


himself. He spoke about policy and I think he did something else rather


interesting, and I think it works better on television than in the


hall. It was quite short on what the spin doctors call clap lines, there


was a deliberate effort to have a conversation with the country. At


times there were some people struggling to stay awake in there.


My instinct is that if you stuck with it, if you are interested in


what a Labour government would do, it was engaging. Enough of the


pundits and the politicians, let's find out what the Labour delegates


thought. Jo. Here I am in the midst of the


delegates as they come out of the conference hall. Your impressions of


the speech? I thought it was a strong speech, it has given us a lot


to work with and to sell on the doorstep this Saturday. I liked


particularly the announcement on more doctors and nurses. That got a


massive cheer. And the fact that was married up with closing tax


loopholes. What about votes for 16 and


17-year-olds? Did not appeal to you? I think it's a positive move for the


babe showing themselves to be engaged in the Scottish referendum.


Young people everywhere vote is more commonly when they vote at a younger


age, so it will engender democratic participation in younger people.


Something to take to the doorstep that lady said. What did you think?


Fairly solid waste it talk about opening up politics wider than the


Westminster bubble, I thought that build on the experiences of the


Scottish referendum over the last few months. It sounds not


inspirational. Was that Britain much what you expect it Britain Mark the


obvious they had a lot to do today and I thought he did it. You will


take it to the doorsteps? I probably will. What was the big thought from


that speech? The NHS is being crushed by the Conservatives and Ed


Miliband has a plan to get it back but the LGBT factor as well. The


Labour Party has said it is a problem across the world and I'm 26


years old and I've seen it the natural in Britain now and it needs


to be across the world. The NHS, people might say, belongs to Labour


by what about things like cutting spending and balancing the books?


Did we hear enough about that? I think we have a proper planning


plays and Ed Miliband is the man to lead us. David Cameron has not done


enough in the last five years but Ed Miliband has said these are the


things we are going to do and he is not made promises he can't keep like


Nick Clegg did. No party can turn it around in five years and that's what


he's done for us today, I think. The 10-year plan, that's longer than


Stalin. No idea, but I hope it works. What about the slogan? What


did he say more times than anything else? Togetherness, we can achieve


more together. We can achieve 1945 again, where we created the NHS. We


can fund services and have the renationalisation of railways. This


is only the start. 1 have a socialist society, the next 10-year


plan, we can add even more great socialism in society. The 10-year


plan is brilliant. His speech was inspiring. He is going to number ten


Downing St for the birth of a man for the people. Together we stand.


This is the best for Britain. The lady has got my microphone. Back to


you, Andrew. Thanks, Jo.


While Ed Miliband was on his feet, President Obama was talking


about the US strategy to tackle Islamic State.


This comes after last night's strikes


against the Jihadis in Syria, where, previously, bombing has been


The Americans were joined by five Arab allies on their attack on


Islamic positions in Syria. This is what the American president had to


say. We are joined in this action by our friends and partners, Saudi


Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Bahrain, and Qatar. America


is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations on


behalf of our common security. The strength of this coalition makes it


clear to the world that this is not America's fight alone. Above all,


people in Government in the Middle East are rejecting Isis and standing


up for the peace and security the people in the region and the world


deserve. The president speaking a few moments ago. Let's talk to the


Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham. Welcome. The president said


this is not America's fight alone. If Britain was to be asked to be


involved in the strikes, would Labour support them? Ed Miliband


said we will support the action being taken and play our part.


Anybody who went to the debate a decade ago think carefully about


taking this step. Of course we do. We'll Britain take part in air


strikes? That's not a decision which has been made. Parliament would have


to make that decision. And if it comes to Parliament, which way would


Labour vote? We would support the action taken. It's a decision for


Parliament and we would have to see what the Prime Minister and the


president agreed and put to Parliament. We can't prejudge that,


can we? It's a situation. When you hear about the situation with Alan


Henning, an appalling state of affairs, most people will say


something needs to be done to take on this brutal outfit. Ed Miliband


didn't spend much time on it. He said he wanted a UN resolution.


Would that be a precondition of British participation? He was very


clear on that and I think the art thinking about the debates of a


decade ago but it would be wrong if we didn't. That was an issue that,


in the end, fractured people and it's important we work hard to build


that international consensus about any action and that's why he was


right. He began his speech with it, Andrew. He didn't actually say it


would be a precondition and said he wanted one. Are you saying would be


a precondition of Labour support for British participation but they would


have to be a UN resolution? We are going to see what they agree in New


York tomorrow. Let's see what is discussed and what the Prime


Minister asks of us as a Labour Party. I can't prejudge that


discussion. It would be ridiculous of me to do that. You said it would


be a precondition of a UN resolution and I'm simply asking again, is that


right? Ed Miliband was very clear. No comedy wasn't. You quoted him. --


no, he wasn't. I can't answer that right now. We can't see what the


postal primers double put to Parliament. Be fair, these are


serious matters. I can't speak without the detail being put to us.


Emphasis on the NHS, but of course, we can't have an NHS that is well


funded and works for all of us unless we have a growing and


prosperous economy. Why was this so little mentioned about the economy


in his speech? You are joking. There was not a single mention of the


deficit. An economy which works for everybody rather than a few of the


top. He didn't tell us anything. He was talk that people self-employed,


giving them the same support other people take the granted, talking


about a minimum wage that pays a decent wage to everybody. He was


talking about taking away that insecurity of low-paid work. I think


that is a lot of important statement on the economy. The deficit? Ed


Balls said we take a difficult decision about child benefit to show


its various. Ed said it would not be paid for by more borrowing, but by


asking those who can afford it and were not paying their share at the


moment, to that contribution. Let's look at a number of ways, the


mansion tax, so-called, how much will that race? We are being


cautious and we think it could raise at least ?1.2 billion. Let's


remember the Lib Dems for the last election said it could raise 1.7, so


we have aired on the side of caution. We know the cynicism out


there about people saying we will raise this much from that and


putting together a package which looks like it does make sense. The


NHS needs them where the money is coming from. So how will you raise


this ?1.2 billion from the mansion tax? How will you identify homes


worth more than ?2 million? We will use the figures which are there. The


property values collected by the land Registry office. But they


reflect the prices of when the price of the House was sold. There could


be a House is sold in 1990 on the land Registry for ?1 million now


worth ?5 million. How will you know? The valuation on properties is what


we will use. There is no current valuation. How will you identify the


homes which are over ?2 million? This is not my area. Your


department. I have not worked out all the details. You are promising


the doctors and nurses on the back of it. I and the Shadow Health


Secretary. You are promising doctors and nurses more on the back of


something you don't know how the money will be raised. The money is


there, at least ?1.2 billion, and mansion tax is worth more than ?2


million, and actually, raising far more on the most expensive


properties. You're hoping for an extra ?1 billion on tax avoidance


and that's going to the NHS fund. Last year, Ed Miliband said that


that money from cracking down on tax avoidance, taking back ?150 million


from the hedge fund would go on the bedroom tax. Now it's going on the


NHS? I have got the document here. It's to prevent people avoiding tax


on hedge funds and closing the Eurobonds loophole. Used by large


companies to avoid paying their share of tax. Also talking about


umbrella organisations. I know that. This is a carefully worked out plan.


I know you are paid to pick holes in it but actually... No, I'm paid to


get answers to let me try again. Last day, all of these things he


said would go on the bedroom tax and now it's going on the NHS. You are


spending it twice. Not at all full is you haven't mentioned the money


from tobacco companies. That's nothing. A package put together


which means the ordinary people of this country is facing tough times


do not have to pay more for the NHS. We are asking those making money off


the back of ill-health, who are not paying their fair share, avoiding


tax, to transform the NHS into the service we wanted to be. You'll only


get 150 million from that. It was part of the package. The NHS budget


is ?113 billion. It faces a ?30 billion shortfall so ?150 million


from tobacco companies is neither here nor there. We're not just


throwing money into the black hole. We are planning this election


campaign for a national health care service, bringing social care into


the NHS for the first time. Why is this so important? Because it means


we can spend a few times and supporting people properly in their


own homes and not paying thousands of pounds with people in hospital


unnecessarily. If you make this change that we are describing, that


is the route to what is clinical and financial sustainability for the NHS


in an ageing society. If it is so easy to pick up tax avoidance from


those who can avoid it, why did you do that when you were in power? We


did lots of things when we're in power to the NHS back on its feet.


Read the blunder Labour were avoiding billions of pounds a year.


Increased, people 's awareness, how corporations movement around to


avoid obligations. People's understanding of those issues has


increased and it's right that politicians respond to that. I don't


think people would think that's the wrong thing to do. When we were in


government we put more money into the NHS and Ed Miliband said today


we're going to do that again to create world-class NHS we wanted to


be. You are trusted on the NHS. The polls show you are way ahead of the


Tories on the NHS. They show your way behind on the economy. Why


wasn't more done to increase trust on the economy? That is what was


done yesterday. Ed Balls put together a package which is about


saying Labour will get the deficit down, balance the books, and maybe


wouldn't have pleased everybody but he said we will take a tough


decision on child benefit. Thank you for rushing here from the speech and


we will see you tomorrow as well. Thanks for being with us. That's it


for today. Thanks to our guests. It will be back with more highlights


are today's conference tonight on BBC Two just after Newsnight. We


will be back tomorrow with Daily Politics at midday. Join us then.


From all of us in Manchester, bye bye.


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