23/09/2014 Daily Politics


23/09/2014

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are in Manchester with the latest news and analysis from the Labour party conference, including live coverage of Ed Miliband's speech.


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Welcome to Manchester, where Ed Miliband it about to make his last

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big conference speech his last before next year's General Election.

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The Labour Leader will get to his feet in about 20 minutes -

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we'll bring it to you live and uninterrupted.

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Afternoon folks, and welcome to this Daily Politics.

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It's only a short walk for Ed Miliband and his wife, Justine, from

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the Midland Hotel to the Conference Centre here in Manchester which we

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are waiting for in the next few minutes. We're told the NHS will

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figure strongly in his speech and that taxes on houses worth over ?2

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million, on hedge funds and tobacco companies, will be used to bolster

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NHS finances. That suggests a core vote strategy rather than anything

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too radical. We'll have the speech, interviews and analysis here and Jo

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Coburn, who's out and about in the Conference centre. So we're on air

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Until 3:45pm this afternoon, and maybe later. With me is the former

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Minister Charlie Falconer and the BBC's political Editor Nick

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Robinson. Labour Cabinet his speech will be 80

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minutes, is that wise? I think people are willing to hear it,

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particularly at a party conference. Taxing things that Labour may regard

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as bad, like big houses over ?2 million, hedge funds, tobacco

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companies to pay for the NHS, that is pretty much the core strategy,

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isn't it? Remember in 1997 Tony Blair introduced attacks on the

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banks to introduce a variety of employment programmes... He had a

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windfall tax on utilities. That's right, but it was not regarded as

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being a core strategy. He didn't campaign on that. Economic

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responsibility was a vital part of the package. I think what Ed is

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doing is saying that he can properly fund it. I think the wider public

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would regard these as reasonable choices to make. The problem is that

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none of these things may bring in very much money. The Office for

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Budget Responsibility will look at these proposals and it will be

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possible for the public to have an independent verification or not is

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the case may be if the sums add up. At the moment we don't really know

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how much a mansion tax would bring in, and would it just be the hedge

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funds or all asset management? We don't what they mean by attacks on

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the tobacco companies. And nobody can properly say what the details

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are. I'm sure if you know the broad and bit you can work out whether it

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will work or not. Why does this not feel like a conference that is on

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the brink of power? I think it does feel like a conference on the brink

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of power. I think there is a real sense we must be disciplined and

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determined. It is also a conference sandwiched between two other great

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events, the referendum, which is an event of such great electricity that

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it is difficult to compete with that, and the issues in relation to

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the Middle East and in particular the use of force, the prospective

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use of force by the UK Government, they are making people see things in

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a different way than normal. It is a problem when you are a politician,

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you can get overshadowed by events, whether it is the Scottish

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referendum or now the bombing is not just of Iraq but also Syria, and we

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understand that at three o'clock this afternoon the president will

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make a speech, British time. Obviously the Labour Party

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conference is one thing going on in the world but I don't think that in

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any way detracts from the mood here. It does make it less... It makes it

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less excited because there is more focus going on in Scotland. You are

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ahead in the polls at the moment. For a while. Three years. But Ed

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Miliband himself has not been ahead in the polls. He is yet to convince

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the British voter that he is prime ministerial. And that in some

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respects will be determined by the prospectus he makes to the British

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people, and today is plainly about what the prospectus is. I think it

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is interesting that one of the things that came out of the Scottish

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referendum was that the public do want change. A prospectus for change

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has got to be laid out by the opposition leader. What also came

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out of the Scottish referendum was that Ed Miliband was almost of no

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importance whatsoever. I think the choice being given to the Scottish

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people was in a sense either stick with politics as it is, or abandon

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politics as it is, and I think Alex Salmond tucked into the sort of

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insurgency that UKIP has done here. Can you remember Labour leader who

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has had less cut through in Scotland than Ed Miliband? Labour leaders

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have obtained the loyalty of Scottish voters. For a period of

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time Tony Blair was not popular in Scotland. No, but he won landslides

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in Scotland. Because people were voting Labour. I think the issues in

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the Scottish rent -- referendum were not about Labour. But you could be

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pretty sure Tony Blair would have played a major role in the

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referendum campaign. I think he would have done, yes. Whereas Ed

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Miliband didn't. He played more of a role than David Cameron. Partly

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because Gordon Brown at the end... He was called in desperation! He had

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a particular authority, and also Gordon represented the voice of

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Scotland... He obviously is Labour but it was very much a Scottish

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voice he was talking with. It is unavoidable that what was happening

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in Scotland was a rejection of British politicians, including

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Labour. Let's just go back and have a look at the pictures outside the

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conference hall. They are still waiting for Ed Miliband to appear.

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If he is running late and planning an 80 minute speech, we could be on

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for a long while today. Apparently they were rewriting parts of the

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speech up until the last minute, but I think that was probably to take

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account of the moving events in the Middle East. Because he has to say

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something with authority on what is happening in the Middle East at the

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moment. I agree, and I think the role of the opposition in relation

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to whether force is used is extremely important. What is the

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mood of the party? Is it ready for... I put this in quotes...

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Another war in the Middle East? Hold that thought. Here we have the

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Labour leader getting a hearty welcome from his own supporters,

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along with Justine Greening his wife, who is a lawyer. -- Justine,

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his wife. This is always a big occasion in the calendar of any

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leader of any of the major parties, the conference speech. You are

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speaking to the converted, to the party faithful, you know you will

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always get a great welcome. On the other hand expectations are high,

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you have got to perform well, not just to reach out to the wider

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public but also to send the party faithful away with a spring in their

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step as they go knocking on the doors and doing the rounds. He has

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disappeared into the conference hall. But not just for the faithful,

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because you get huge media coverage. No speech is more

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important than the one just before the general election. This is the

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trampoline, the jumping off point for the campaign for the general

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election, which we know will take place in 2015. It is a very

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important speech anyway but particularly important. He has a

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reputation for giving strong speeches at these conferences. Last

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year he set the weather for a long time with his talk of price freezes

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on electric companies. Whether the impact is lasting is another matter.

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In a sense, because this is the one before the election, the pressure to

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do something important is even bigger. One of the things about Ed

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Miliband is that he is a very thoughtful politician. He puts huge

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amounts of thought into the conference speech. A lot of time

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goes into it so I think he will deliver on the expectations because

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the problems facing the leader of the opposition or indeed any leader

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at the moment are difficult and complex. Expect something good and

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well thought out because that is what Ed is very good at. Let's go to

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Jo, because she has been talking to delegates outside the conference

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hall. Just about an hour to go until Ed

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Miliband delivers his speech. Let's find out what delegates are

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expecting. They are queueing up diligently and patiently waiting.

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The queue goes almost out of the exhibition hall. Let's ask people

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what they are expecting. Are you excited about the speech? Yes, it is

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a great occasion and we are waiting to hear what the leader has to say.

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Are you excited? Yes, I want to see a firm commitment to what the

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changes will be when we come into power in 2015 so I am looking

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forward to an inspirational speech. What about you? What do we want to

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hear from Ed Miliband? I am excited to hear from Ed Miliband, what he

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will do for us when he comes back into power. What do you want him to

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do? Freezing the electricity bills and making school dinners free for

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children from four years old until 11 years old. Let's move slightly

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further up the line and ask these people here. Do you like Ed

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Miliband? Yes, I think he is absolutely superb. He stands for the

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values of grass roots Labour Party, and he is a strong leader without

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falling for the slickness and nonsense that we see from the

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Tories. Why is everyone round here saying the conference has been flat?

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No, not at all! I think it was him! It was Stephen Pound! It has been

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fizzing, this is the champagne conference. Let's come back, so you

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don't think it has been flat? No, it has been exciting. I like the fact

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they are getting rid of the bedroom tax and also getting rid of zero

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contracts. What about if you are looking to the future, can you see

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Ed Miliband as a future prime minister? Of course, he is an

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intellectual, he is serious and brilliant, I love him. Will that

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appealed to blue-collar workers, people with UKIP chomping at the

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bit? If they listen to the policies, yes. We have got the policies. We

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will stop the privatisation of the NHS, repeal the social care act, get

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rid of bedroom tax, all of these policies which will appeal to people

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throughout the land. Let's move along here. What about you, madam,

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why is it that Ed Miliband's poll ratings are so low? I am a member of

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Parliament in north Wales and people in my constituency want to see the

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introduction of a higher minimum wage, they want to get rid of the

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bedroom tax. With no disrespect to yourselves all the Westminster

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bubble. So that is a snapshot of the delegates' views.

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We welcome viewers from the BBC News Channel to this special on the

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Labour Party conference live from Manchester where Ed Miliband is

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about to make the leaders address. We're now going to be on air until

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4pm this afternoon to accommodate our briefing that Ed Miliband plans

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to speak for 80 minutes for the long, even by modern standards, but

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there we go. You will get it all here on the BBC News Channel. Maybe

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we can go back to the hall. People have been queueing up for ages to

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get in there. You can see it's now filled up. It is an enormous

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conference Hall in Manchester. We are sitting in the middle of what

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used to be a railway station, the central Manchester railway station,

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the huge railway hotel known as the Midland, just across from here, I

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can see it through the window. A beautiful big red brick building.

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Right in the heart of Manchester. This new world-class conference

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facility in the centre of the city. A big crowd for Mr Miliband today.

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Of course, that will help the atmosphere because the reason the

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conferences have been queueing people, they have been building the

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stages, adding to the middle of the hall, to take away people. This is

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more like an old-time conference call. And it feels very full. The

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conference looks like it's been very, very busy. It's looking great.

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An issue which will determine the election, I would suggest, will be

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the economy. It usually does. This is another problem for Mr Miliband

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because labours economic credibility, even if they are ahead

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in the polls, is 25% behind the Conservatives. That polls show but

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you can see very significant efforts have been made to make it clear we

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are fiscally responsible. The speech by Ed Balls was not going to delight

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many Labour activists, and some paper suggested there was some

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boring. Bash one of the things we have been

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discussing is how you cost out proposals you're going to make in

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preserving the National Health Service, you have got to be able to

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fund that, so it's going to be careful series speeches. Which

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indicate economic responsibility. There seems to be a problem, not

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just an economic message but who is delivering it, Ed Balls, and lots of

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people see him as part of the regime which reminds them of days where

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things went wrong and Labour would rather forget. The Conservative

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Party very effectively spent a lot of time in the aftermath of the last

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election saying Labour were responsible for the economic crash.

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Of course they went, it was a worldwide rush brought about by

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banking, which affected the whole world, but I think many people

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associate Labour because of that effective campaign by the Tories

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with the crash full speed was not our responsibility for them are the

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days when Labour could win,... I'm sure you're going to admit it's not

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going to be a landslide for all parties. I do think Labour will

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win. I don't think landslides are necessarily a thing of the past. I

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think establishing a convincing economic narrative and delivering it

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to people will deliver for one party or another possibility of some

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substantial majorities that, at the moment, the public have yet to up

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their mind. We are a four party system in the UK now. UKIP is turned

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England into a four party system, like Northern Ireland, Scotland and

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Wales. It remains to be seen whether you click on translate their

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successes into the general election success. I'm not sure the public

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think you are serious as an alternative. We don't know whether

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their share of the vote will find their way. Ed Miliband will take to

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the stage in just a few minutes. We came into the hall to show you that

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and as we wait for him to speak, let's remind ourselves of the events

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of the last 12 months in Labour politics. If we win that election in

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2015, the next Labour Government will freeze gas and delicacy prices

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until the start of 2017. At the next election we will present

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a manifesto that explains how we can make the living wage a central part

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of our strategy. We need a reckoning with our banks,

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not for retribution but for reform. Today I asked to agree the biggest

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changes to our party since 1918. Selfie. Would you like a chip? Can I

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say to her, she's looking for new challenge, she should try wrestling

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a bacon sandwich. This is everyone's flag, everyone's

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country, and everyone. Full. A reminder of some of the highlights

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of labour's year. A few minutes until Ed Miliband gets to his feet.

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There you can see inside the hall, it looks like there's barely a spare

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seat. Everybody has grabbed them. You can see behind, Labour's plan

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for Britain's future. We're going to hear a lot about plans and we're

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told Mr Miliband has a ten year plan in mind and six major parts to this

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ten year plan he's going to spell out though I'm sure he's also kept

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something up his sleeve. Just to keep us in suspense and to add an

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element of novelty to these things. Stalin had a five-year plan so why

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does he need a 10-year one? 80 minute speech, 10-year plan, it took

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the eight hours. -- Castro. A 10-year plan because there's no

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quick fix in relation to the economic issues and maybe with the

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alienation issues as well. We have to move fast in Government but the

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idea that these things can be fixed quickly is not right, like

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reskilling the workforce. It does not happen quickly. This is a

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crucial election for Labour to win because of the polls were to be

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wrong and against a lot of the wisdom, the Tories were to win an

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overall majority, not just coalition, would quickly put through

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the boundary changes, 30 or 40 seats to them, English votes for English

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laws, and they could be there for quite a while. So you need to win.

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If we don't win, they will be those points, but there will also be the

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point that we haven't won in the context of a recovery that wasn't

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affecting very many people. There has been a long flat-lining period.

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Also, we have been along time had in the period polls but not one. Joined

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by Nick Robinson, a little late but I may put you into detention later

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but not at the moment because we need you. What have we got in store?

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More of what we said yesterday, the promised to spend a lot more

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annually on the NHS, the talk is it might involve recruiting a lot of

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new staff, possibly 34,000 new staff. Not straight away, but by the

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end of the first Labour term, if the more one. The idea seems to be to

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deal with shortages that everyone has been reading it, in terms of

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nurses on wards, GPs, leading to people having to go to the A,

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midwives and home care. That seems to be the centrepiece. Partly paid

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for by the mansion tax, as I revealed yesterday, and partly by a

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new tax on tobacco firms. Attacks on their market share, as I understand

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it, and partly paid for by some tax avoidance measures but the detail,

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we will have to wait for it for the and hedge funds is? Maybe that's tax

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avoidance? There are a series of measures. If you are a Labour spin

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doctor, you say you're taxing the bad things, to raise money for the

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good things. The NHS. The message they want, tax the rich, tax the tax

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avoidance, the people who make us sick rather than make as well, to

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pay for the NHS. It may be a very good idea, it may help, but you have

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to remember when you hear politicians of any party present

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things in these ways, whatever they describe, whatever form of words

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they use, it's just public spending and taxes. If you spend ?2.5 billion

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extra, that is just a little bit over the NHS budget, 3% annually, on

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that budget. What really matters is the baseline. The baseline depends

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on the growth of the economy, the size of the deficit, and so on and

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so forth, and you also have to remember, which is least been

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discussed at this conference, the thing which allows Labour to promise

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more spending is not simply new tax measures, though they are important,

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but that they have looser borrowing rules for the next parliament than

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George Osborne would have and according to the Institute for

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Fiscal Studies, it allows them to raise many billions of pounds a year

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extra compared with a Tory Government. They would say because

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they are behaving more sensibly in the way they manage the public

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finances. People will wonder how Labour can have looser borrowing

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rules than the Government. It's a question of what you have is your

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objective. How worried about debt and the deficit are you? And Labour

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politicians I think would argue that yes, you should be worried, but

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there is a balance between that and what is necessary to pay for public

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services and ensuring you don't shrink the economy because you are

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taking so much demand out. These are raw judgements in the end. Not

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black-and-white decisions. George Osborne's policy is to try to end

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the deficit by 2018, and Labour politicians will be able to tell you

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again and again, he would've ended it by now so he is off target now,

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already borrowing billions of pounds more than he planned to but that it

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is objective to do it. They are taking a different objective. The

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politics of this, if the NHS are taking centre stage in this speech,

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and ways of raising money is for the NHS, does that suggest a

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reinforcement of what has been known as the core strategy? Get out the

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35% of the Labour vote, because of the electoral arithmetic, could give

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you an overall majority? It will motivate the call voters but hard to

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argue most voters don't care about the NHS. In that sense, I'm nervous

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of this description of things as call vote strategies. I challenge

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you to go into Manchester and find someone to say, who don't care about

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the NHS. Even people with private health-insurance find themselves

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dependent on the health service for the urgent treatment, long-term

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care, when they are close to death for example. There is not money

:28:53.:28:55.

people in this country don't care about the NHS. Also does not money

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people who know that for the NHS, that is part of the Labour Party's

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reason to exist. Why the need to make that a centrestage appeal?

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Labour is way ahead in the public opinion polls on the NHS also

:29:15.:29:18.

arguably, they have sorted that issue. Their problem is they are

:29:19.:29:23.

behind on economic credibility and immigration. Ed Miliband is looking

:29:24.:29:29.

for some weight to say to people Labour would make a difference to

:29:30.:29:34.

your lives. At the same time as Ed Balls is saying, don't promise to

:29:35.:29:37.

spend this and that. We haven't got the money. It's going to be

:29:38.:29:42.

difficult, we have to make cuts, and the NHS allows them to square that

:29:43.:29:46.

circle. If the money was being promised for other measures, albeit

:29:47.:29:51.

good schemes, potentially, I think they would be walking into a trap

:29:52.:29:56.

with the Tories could say, same old Labour, spend, tax and borrow. The

:29:57.:30:02.

Tories who have difficulty with this policy. It is neatly packaged, tax

:30:03.:30:06.

the wealthy to pay for the health service. Frankly, if the thought of

:30:07.:30:13.

political conjuring, if you like, that George Osborne likes for the

:30:14.:30:17.

remember when he said I'm going to cut inheritance tax that get the

:30:18.:30:21.

non-dons, the Melfi to paper that. This is what opposition does,

:30:22.:30:23.

symbolism. -- the wealthy. The problem is that oppositions

:30:24.:30:35.

don't make the weather, the Government is in charge, and I would

:30:36.:30:40.

not rule out that at some stage between now and the next Budget or

:30:41.:30:49.

-- in March next year, George Osborne might well find two or 3

:30:50.:30:55.

million that he will put into the NHS. I agree, but the announcement

:30:56.:31:01.

of the mansion tax that George Osborne made, what about the energy

:31:02.:31:10.

that made. And I suspect NHS announcements will make the weather

:31:11.:31:14.

coming out of this stage, there is a sense that delays are increasing in

:31:15.:31:18.

the NHS, there is an issue about whether there will be a winter

:31:19.:31:25.

crisis in 2016, and to be addressing that now and funding it in taxing

:31:26.:31:29.

things that most people would regard as being sensibly taxed like the

:31:30.:31:34.

tobacco companies, it is a good personification of the choices they

:31:35.:31:38.

will make. You can probably hear the noise coming from the hall. Mr

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Miller -- Miliband has appeared. You can almost hear them willing band

:31:58.:32:02.

leader to give a barnstorming speech to set them on the road to the next

:32:03.:32:07.

general election. The campaign will begin in the middle of October, it

:32:08.:32:13.

takes us through to May. It used to be only the Americans that have long

:32:14.:32:21.

campaigns, now the British do too. Let's hear from the Labour leader,

:32:22.:32:30.

Ed Miliband. I have just been speaking to Alan Henning, a British

:32:31.:32:36.

hostage taken by ISIS. His wife, Barbara, maiden -- made a moving

:32:37.:32:44.

appeal for his release over the weekend. Alan Henning is simply an

:32:45.:32:49.

aid worker trying to make life better for victims of conflict. I

:32:50.:32:53.

think it should tell us everything we need to know about ISIS and their

:32:54.:32:59.

murderous ways that they take a decent British man like Alan Henning

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hostage. It is not just British people that they are targeting. It

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is people of all nationalities and all religions. That is why we have

:33:10.:33:15.

supported the Coalition not simply based on military action but a

:33:16.:33:20.

coalition based on humanitarian, political, and diplomatic action to

:33:21.:33:28.

counter the threat of ISIS. This week the president of the United

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States and the British prime minister are both at the United

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Nations. We support the overnight action against ISIS. What needs to

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happen now is that the UN needs to play its part. A UN Security Council

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resolution to win the international support to counter that threat of

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ISIL. Friends, this country will never turn our back on the world and

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never turn our back on the principles of internationalism. And

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those values, they are reflected not just in our country but in this

:34:25.:34:29.

party, in this hall, and in this great city of Manchester. Friends,

:34:30.:34:40.

it is great to be with you in Manchester. A fantastic city, a city

:34:41.:34:46.

with a great Labour Council leading the way, and a city that after this

:34:47.:34:53.

year's local elections is not just a Tory free zone but Liberal Democrat

:34:54.:34:59.

free zone as well. APPLAUSE Manchester has special memories for

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me because four years ago I was elected your leader here in

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Manchester. For years on, I feel wiser, I feel older, I feel much

:35:21.:35:25.

older actually! But hang on a minute, some of you look quite a lot

:35:26.:35:32.

older as well. At least I've got an excuse! But I am prouder than ever

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to be the leader of your party and I thank you for your support.

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APPLAUSE We meet here in serious times. Not just for our world but

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for our country too. Our country nearly broke up. A country that

:35:59.:36:03.

nearly splits apart is not a country in good health. I want to start by

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thanking all of Labour's Team Scotland for the part they played in

:36:11.:36:25.

keeping our country together. Let us thank them all - Gordon Brown,

:36:26.:36:32.

Alistair Darling, Margaret Curran, Douglas Alexander, Jim Murphy, JoAnn

:36:33.:36:42.

Lamont. Let us thank them all because they helped save our

:36:43.:36:43.

country! And I want to say to the people of

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Scotland directly, this Labour Party will show you over the coming years

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you made the right choice because we are better together. Here is the

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thing. All of us, all political leaders, everyone in this hall has a

:37:21.:37:25.

responsibility to try to explain why 45% of people voted yes. 45% of

:37:26.:37:32.

people wanted to break up our country. We have got to explain why

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the feeling we saw in Scotland is not just in Scotland but it is

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reflected across the country. My story starts six days from the end

:37:42.:37:46.

of the referendum campaign. I was on my way to a public meeting, I was

:37:47.:37:51.

late, as politicians tend to be. Just outside the meeting I met a

:37:52.:37:56.

woman, and I was supposed to go into the meeting but I wanted to stop and

:37:57.:38:02.

ask her how she was voting. I did that to everyone on the street. One

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vote at a time. She said she hadn't decided how she was going to vote

:38:10.:38:13.

yet. Her name was Josephine and she worked as a cleaner in the building.

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She said the company she worked for was decent but the wages were

:38:19.:38:23.

rubbish. She hadn't decided because life was so incredibly tough for

:38:24.:38:27.

her. She didn't want to leave but she thought it might be the best

:38:28.:38:31.

thing to do. I don't know how Josephine voted in the referendum

:38:32.:38:36.

but I do know the question she was asking - is anyone going to make

:38:37.:38:41.

life better for me and my family? Here is the thing. It isn't just

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Josephine's question, it is the question people are asking right

:38:50.:38:53.

across Britain. Is anyone going to build a better life for the working

:38:54.:38:59.

people of our country? That wasn't just the referendum question, that

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is the general election question. I'm not talking about the powerful

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and the privileged, those who do well whatever the weather, I'm

:39:20.:39:27.

talking about families who work harder and harder just to stay

:39:28.:39:32.

afloat. This general election is about you. You have made sacrifices,

:39:33.:39:39.

taken home lower wages, you have seen your energy bills rise and your

:39:40.:39:45.

NHS decline. You know this country doesn't work. My answer is that we

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can build a better future for you and your family, and this speech is

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about Labour's plans to do it, Labour's plan for Britain's future.

:39:57.:40:07.

So, what do we need to have that planned for the future? We have got

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to understand what people are saying to us across the UK. I think there

:40:17.:40:22.

is a silent majority who wanted our country to endure but they are

:40:23.:40:26.

telling us that things must change. They come from every walk of life,

:40:27.:40:32.

like a young woman who works in a pub near where I live. She lives at

:40:33.:40:37.

the opposite end of the country from Josephine, separated by at least a

:40:38.:40:41.

generation, but they share a common experience. Because Ziamara has

:40:42.:40:53.

worked hard, she has worked her way up to become a chef, but like

:40:54.:40:59.

Josephine, life for her is incredibly tough. And by the way,

:41:00.:41:06.

she thinks politics is rubbish. And let's not pretend we don't hear that

:41:07.:41:12.

a lot on the doorsteps. What does she see in politics? She sees drift.

:41:13.:41:21.

She doesn't think we have a solution to her problem, we have got to prove

:41:22.:41:27.

her wrong. I think there is something almost even more important

:41:28.:41:32.

about our country. People have lost faith in the future. The other day I

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was in the park, I was trying to work on my speech and I wasn't

:41:37.:41:41.

getting anywhere so I went to the park and there were two young women

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in the park. They seemed excited to see me and they came over. It's not

:41:46.:41:58.

that funny! And one of them actually said, so it is true, you do meet

:41:59.:42:03.

famous people in this park. And the other one said, yes, it is. The

:42:04.:42:10.

other one said, no offence, we were hoping for Benedict Cumberbatch.

:42:11.:42:13.

Anyway one of them said something that really stuck with me. She

:42:14.:42:19.

said, my generation is falling into a black hole. She said about her

:42:20.:42:25.

parents' generation, they have had it so good and now there is nothing

:42:26.:42:31.

left for us. She was speaking from millions of people across our

:42:32.:42:35.

country who have lost faith in the future. Like Gareth, who is high up

:42:36.:42:41.

in a software company. He has a five-year-old daughter, he is

:42:42.:42:45.

earning a decent wage, he can't afford to buy a home. He is priced

:42:46.:42:50.

out by the richest. He thinks that unless you are one of the privileged

:42:51.:42:58.

few in Britain, the country is not going to work for you and your kids

:42:59.:43:01.

will have a worse life anew. So many people across our country feel this

:43:02.:43:05.

way. They feel the country doesn't work for them and they have lost

:43:06.:43:11.

that faith in the future. Our task is to restore people's faith in the

:43:12.:43:16.

future, not by breaking our country but by breaking with the old way of

:43:17.:43:24.

doing things, by breaking the past. I'm not talking about a different

:43:25.:43:28.

policy or a different programme, I'm talking about something much bigger.

:43:29.:43:32.

I'm talking about a different idea, a different ethic for the way our

:43:33.:43:38.

country succeeds. For all the sound and fury in England, Scotland and

:43:39.:43:44.

Wales, what people are actually saying to us is that this country

:43:45.:43:49.

does not care about me. Our economy does not work, and they are not

:43:50.:43:54.

wrong, they are right, and this Labour Party is going to put it

:43:55.:44:07.

right. Friends, to do that, we have got to go back to the very

:44:08.:44:12.

foundations of who we are and how we run things. We just cannot carry on

:44:13.:44:17.

with the belief that we can succeed as a country with a tiny minority at

:44:18.:44:24.

the top doing well. Prosperity in one part of Britain amongst a small

:44:25.:44:30.

elite, a circle that is closed to most, blind to the concerns of

:44:31.:44:34.

people. Sending the message to everyone but a few, you are on your

:44:35.:44:43.

own. Think about it for a minute. In our economy, it is working people

:44:44.:44:46.

who are made to bear the burden of anxiety, precariousness and

:44:47.:44:52.

insecurity. They have been told you are on your own. So many young

:44:53.:44:56.

people think their life will be worse than their parents'.

:44:57.:45:02.

So many small businesses are struggling against forces more

:45:03.:45:07.

powerful than themselves. And the most vulnerable have been thrown on

:45:08.:45:11.

the scrapheap cast aside not listen to, even when they have a case. They

:45:12.:45:19.

have been told you are on your own. And, to cap it all, in our politics,

:45:20.:45:23.

a few have access while everyone else is locked out. They have been

:45:24.:45:31.

told, you are on your own. No wonder people have lost faith in the

:45:32.:45:35.

future. That is why so many people voted to break up our country. Is it

:45:36.:45:43.

any wonder the deck is stark, the game is rigged in favour of those

:45:44.:45:49.

who have all the power? Friends, in eight months time, we are going to

:45:50.:45:54.

call time on this way of running the country. Because you are on your

:45:55.:45:58.

own. APPLAUSE

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Because you are on your own doesn't work for you, doesn't work for your

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family. It does not work for Britain.

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APPLAUSE Can be build a different future for

:46:13.:46:22.

our country? Of course we can. But with a

:46:23.:46:29.

different idea of how we succeed. An idea that, in the end, won the

:46:30.:46:34.

referendum, an idea I love because it says so much about who we are and

:46:35.:46:40.

who we have in ourselves to become. An idea rooted in this party's

:46:41.:46:44.

character and in our country 's history. An idea that build our

:46:45.:46:50.

greatest institutions and got us through our darkest moments. An idea

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that is just one simple word. Together. Together. Together we can

:46:58.:47:04.

restore faith in the future. Together we can build a better

:47:05.:47:07.

future for the working people of Britain. Together we can rebuild

:47:08.:47:17.

Britain. Friends, together we can. APPLAUSE

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together said is not just a powerful through the top whose voices should

:47:27.:47:30.

be heard. It should be everyone. It's not just

:47:31.:47:34.

a few wealthy people who create the wealth of our country. It's every

:47:35.:47:39.

working person. Together says we can't just succeed with a country

:47:40.:47:42.

with the talents of a few, but we must use the talents of all. We

:47:43.:47:47.

can't have some people breaking the rules. Everyone has got to play

:47:48.:47:51.

under the same rules and together says we have a duty to look after

:47:52.:47:56.

each other when times are hard. Together, the way we restore faith

:47:57.:48:00.

in the future, together, a different idea for Britain.

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You might be thinking this sounds like a pretty big undertaking.

:48:12.:48:18.

Changing the way our country is run. A totally different idea. That's

:48:19.:48:23.

quite a big task. Is it really going to be possible? Can we do it? I

:48:24.:48:30.

mean, if the 21st-century. Is that going backwards? It isn't. The

:48:31.:48:36.

reason it isn't, is because that idea is everywhere around us to see.

:48:37.:48:42.

In every walk of life. The inspiration is everywhere. The

:48:43.:48:48.

different way of doing things. Early on I mentioned Gareth, who works as

:48:49.:48:52.

a software company, worried about his daughter and the future. I

:48:53.:48:55.

didn't just meet him but his colleagues as well and that software

:48:56.:49:00.

company, the thing which shines through, it's full of bright young

:49:01.:49:04.

people full of great enthusiasm but it isn't about the boss at the top,

:49:05.:49:11.

each individual on their own, go to every person about company and they

:49:12.:49:14.

say the same thing. You need to use the talents of every single person,

:49:15.:49:19.

not just for software engineers, but the customer service, the accounts,

:49:20.:49:25.

and go to ceremony great businesses across our country and they will say

:49:26.:49:30.

the same thing to you. That is the ethic of the 21st-century in

:49:31.:49:34.

business. We need great entrepreneurs. Britain needs great

:49:35.:49:40.

entrepreneurs, but the greatest entrepreneurs recognised that there

:49:41.:49:47.

are only as strong as their team. It's not just true in business.

:49:48.:49:51.

There will be people who work in our brilliant National Health Service,

:49:52.:49:55.

our brilliant National Health Service, friends.

:49:56.:50:06.

Earlier this year, I spent a couple of days at an NHS hospital in

:50:07.:50:12.

Watford. I wanted to go there to see how things look from the front

:50:13.:50:16.

line, mainly I got in the way, really, but that's what politicians

:50:17.:50:20.

tend to do. And I remember one evening I was in A at 9pm watching

:50:21.:50:26.

nurses from different backgrounds, different walks of life, coming

:50:27.:50:34.

together. I was incredibly moved, incredibly inspired by their

:50:35.:50:38.

teamwork, so proud of our National Health Service.

:50:39.:50:49.

Go to any great hospital, go to any great school, it is the team that

:50:50.:50:57.

makes it strong and then think of our bread Armed Forces and that's

:50:58.:51:02.

paid tribute to them today, friends. -- brilliant Armed Forces. Our

:51:03.:51:11.

brilliant heretic troops are serving our country in the most dangerous

:51:12.:51:17.

places. They will talk about the team and the team which makes it

:51:18.:51:22.

strong. It is true of business, of public services, of the Armed

:51:23.:51:27.

Forces, in so many walks of life, if the ethic of the 20th century was

:51:28.:51:34.

hierarchy, order, planning, control the talents of the 21st-century 's

:51:35.:51:41.

cooperation, everybody playing their part, sharing the rewards, the

:51:42.:51:47.

talents of all together. Friends, it is time we ran the country like we

:51:48.:51:49.

know it can be run. Here is a question for you. If the

:51:50.:52:06.

challenge to run the country on this printable of together, can the

:52:07.:52:13.

Tories be the answer? Can the Tories be the answer? That's better. I will

:52:14.:52:22.

tell you why they can't be the answer because if you want the best

:52:23.:52:26.

example of you are on your own, rigged the system for the powerful

:52:27.:52:31.

view, insecure, throwback dogma, just look at this Government.

:52:32.:52:41.

If you are a low paid worker, struggling to make ends meet,

:52:42.:52:46.

working harder for longer for less, on your own, if you are in the

:52:47.:52:51.

squeezed middle, you feel like you're treading water and you are on

:52:52.:52:55.

your own. If you're on a zero hours contract getting up at 5am every

:52:56.:52:59.

morning, to find out whether you have got work, they will tell you

:53:00.:53:03.

that's how an economy succeeds and you are your own. If you are worried

:53:04.:53:09.

about the railway companies, the payday lenders, they don't want to

:53:10.:53:12.

do anything to help you. You are on your own. If you're one of the 9

:53:13.:53:16.

million people who rent your home in the private sector they are

:53:17.:53:20.

certainly not going to do anything for you. They will tell you you are

:53:21.:53:26.

on your own and why? Because they say intervening would be like

:53:27.:53:33.

Venezuela. That's what they say. They say they don't believe in

:53:34.:53:38.

Government intervention. Really? Of course they do. Because if you are a

:53:39.:53:45.

millionaire who wants a tax cut, they are certainly going to

:53:46.:53:48.

intervene to support you. You are not going to be on your own.

:53:49.:53:59.

If you are a banker, who is worried about your bonus, it's good news for

:54:00.:54:05.

you because George Osborne is going to go all the way to Europe to fight

:54:06.:54:09.

tooth and nail to try to protect it. You certainly won't be on your

:54:10.:54:21.

own. If you are an energy company whose prices and profits are

:54:22.:54:25.

soaring, good news again, you have got a Prime Minister who will be

:54:26.:54:30.

your own PR man. You won't be on your own. And, by the way, if you

:54:31.:54:41.

are a Conservative supporting, gold mining, luxury hotel owning, Putin

:54:42.:54:51.

's award-winning Russian oligarch, and you have ?160,000 to spare, to

:54:52.:54:57.

bid in an auction, you won't be on your own. You will be on a tennis

:54:58.:55:02.

court saying doubles with David Cameron. That tells you all you need

:55:03.:55:09.

to know about this Government. -- playing doubles.

:55:10.:55:17.

Now, look, we know we have a fight and in the next eight months David

:55:18.:55:26.

Cameron will talk about the past and not going to talk that much about

:55:27.:55:31.

the present and the future. Why? He is going to tell you, the British

:55:32.:55:37.

public, that none of the problems in our country are anything to do with

:55:38.:55:41.

him. He has done a really outstanding, tremendous job and he

:55:42.:55:45.

really deserves a lot of congratulation and thanks. For

:55:46.:55:50.

Britain. You've done a great job, all the problems are nothing to do

:55:51.:55:55.

with him, and if you just hang on till after the general election,

:55:56.:55:58.

things are about to turn the corner for your family. The British people

:55:59.:56:04.

will have to be the judge of this. And I think there are some things to

:56:05.:56:09.

bear in mind. The record of this Government, friends, is not just

:56:10.:56:13.

mediocre, it is one of the worst ever.

:56:14.:56:24.

The longest fall in living standards since 1870. Wages rising slower than

:56:25.:56:37.

prices for 50 out of 51 months. For your family, five years of this

:56:38.:56:41.

Government, five years of sacrifice, zero years of success.

:56:42.:56:48.

Now, you might think that David Cameron is right and things are

:56:49.:56:53.

about to turn around for you and your family full as I say, the

:56:54.:56:56.

British people will have to be the judge of this. But isn't there a

:56:57.:56:59.

second more plausible explanation for their record? A Tory economy is

:57:00.:57:06.

always an economy for the few. Because that is who they care about.

:57:07.:57:11.

That is the basis on which they think a country succeeds. And so the

:57:12.:57:16.

past with this Government is a good guide to the future. Your family

:57:17.:57:23.

worse off. You can't afford to take that risk. The British people can't

:57:24.:57:29.

afford another five years of David Cameron.

:57:30.:57:45.

Now, I have got an idea for our Prime Minister. He likes surfing. He

:57:46.:57:58.

likes playing that game Angry Birdss Andy likes tennis with

:57:59.:58:02.

Russian oligarchs. I've got a great idea. Why don't we give him all the

:58:03.:58:07.

time in the world to do all those things next May, and let's send him

:58:08.:58:09.

into opposition. It's up to us. We have to build a

:58:10.:58:26.

future for you and your family. That is what Labour's plan for Britain's

:58:27.:58:32.

future is all about and today I want to lay out six national goals, not

:58:33.:58:37.

just for one term of office, or one year, but a plan for the next ten

:58:38.:58:45.

years. Britain 2025. The day one of me as Prime Minister. This is the

:58:46.:58:49.

plan and these are the goals I want us to pursue. You might ask why ten

:58:50.:58:54.

years? I will tell you one of the reasons. People are fed up with

:58:55.:58:59.

politicians who come along and say vote for me on day one, everything

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will be transformed. Friends, the British people won't believe it. It

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is what I call doing a Nick Clegg. When Nick Clegg broke that promise

:59:07.:59:22.

on tuition fees, he didn't just destroy trust in himself and the

:59:23.:59:28.

Liberal Democrats, he did something else. He destroyed trust in politics

:59:29.:59:32.

for them every time a promise is broken, every time a false promises

:59:33.:59:38.

made, every Time we say vote for us and tomorrow everything will be

:59:39.:59:41.

totally different, people get more and more cynical, more and more

:59:42.:59:45.

turned off, people think politics is more and more a game and all we are

:59:46.:59:51.

in it for is ourselves for the that's why I plan for the next ten

:59:52.:59:55.

years, not a plan which says nothing changes, but a map for the country,

:59:56.:00:00.

for people like Gareth who I talked about earlier. For the young woman

:00:01.:00:04.

who wanted as he Benedict Cumberbatch and ended up with me and

:00:05.:00:10.

said, my generation is falling into a black hole. I want to know there's

:00:11.:00:14.

a future for me. That's what this plan is about and our plan starts

:00:15.:00:18.

with rewarding hard work once again because that's what we're got to do

:00:19.:00:22.

with country. One in five of the men and women who go out to work in our

:00:23.:00:27.

country do their bit, make their contribution, put in hours and find

:00:28.:00:28.

in low pay. Appeal with Britain's traditions,

:00:29.:00:41.

that should shame us all. Our first national goal is that we halve the

:00:42.:00:47.

number of people in low pay by 2025, transforming the lives of 2 million

:00:48.:00:49.

people in our country. The principle of together says we

:00:50.:01:05.

don't just use the talents of everyone, we reward the talents of

:01:06.:01:09.

everyone and the minimum wage has got to be a route to bringing up the

:01:10.:01:14.

family with dignity so we will raise the minimum wage by ?1 50 per hour

:01:15.:01:21.

by 2020, a rise in pay of ?60 per week for a work on the minimum wage,

:01:22.:01:35.

or ?3000 per year. The Tories are the party of wealth and privilege,

:01:36.:01:41.

Labour is the party of hard work fairly paid. It is all working

:01:42.:01:46.

people who should have their talents rewarded so our second national goal

:01:47.:01:50.

is that all working people should share fairly in the growing wealth

:01:51.:01:55.

of the country. That means as the economy grows, the wages of everyday

:01:56.:01:59.

working people grow at the same rate. You know what is amazing is

:02:00.:02:06.

that that statement, that goal is even controversial. It used to be

:02:07.:02:10.

taken for granted in our country that that is what would happen. That

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is what the cost of living crisis, which the Tories don't understand,

:02:16.:02:19.

is all about. We need a government with a single focus on tackling it,

:02:20.:02:25.

and key to this is transforming our economy so we create good jobs at

:02:26.:02:30.

decent wages. That requires a massive national effort, the

:02:31.:02:34.

principle of together, everyone playing their part. For the

:02:35.:02:38.

Government it means no vested interest, no stale mindset should

:02:39.:02:43.

stand in the way of restoring this. It means reforming our banks,

:02:44.:03:00.

breaking up the big banks. So that we have the competition we need in

:03:01.:03:05.

our banking system. It means getting power out of Whitehall. We are far

:03:06.:03:10.

too centralised country, it is time we did something about it, it is

:03:11.:03:15.

time we transferred power out of Whitehall to our businesses, towns

:03:16.:03:19.

and cities so that they can create the jobs, the prosperity, the wealth

:03:20.:03:33.

that they need. It is about businesses and trade unions engaging

:03:34.:03:38.

in cooperation, not confrontation, and it is also about something else

:03:39.:03:43.

- it is using our historic values to fight for those at the front line of

:03:44.:03:47.

the modern workforce. I'm talking about a group of people that we in

:03:48.:03:51.

the Labour Party haven't talked about that much, and we need to talk

:03:52.:03:58.

about them a lot more, the growing army of self-employed. 5 million

:03:59.:04:03.

people in our country, often the most entrepreneurial go getting

:04:04.:04:08.

people who have a difficult, insecure life very often. Because of

:04:09.:04:14.

the jobs they do, two out of three don't have a pension. One in five

:04:15.:04:19.

cannot get a mortgage. They don't want special treatment, they just

:04:20.:04:24.

want a fair shot. The task for this Labour Party is to end this

:04:25.:04:28.

21st-century modern discrimination and it is to fight and deliver equal

:04:29.:04:36.

rights for the self-employed in Britain.

:04:37.:04:47.

I said earlier that we need to create good jobs at decent wages to

:04:48.:04:55.

transform our economy. Those jobs are the future so our third national

:04:56.:04:59.

goal is that by 2025, Britain becomes truly a world leader in the

:05:00.:05:05.

green economy, creating 1 million new jobs as we do. Under this

:05:06.:05:10.

Government, we are falling behind Germany, Japan, the United States,

:05:11.:05:16.

even India and China when it comes to green technology and services.

:05:17.:05:20.

There are so many brilliant businesses who are desperate to do

:05:21.:05:23.

their part but the Government is not playing its part. With our plan, we

:05:24.:05:31.

will. We are going to commit to taking all of the carbon out of

:05:32.:05:36.

electricity by 2030. We are going to have a green investment bank with

:05:37.:05:40.

powers to borrow and attract new investment, and as Caroline Flint

:05:41.:05:44.

will announce tomorrow, we will devolve power and resources to

:05:45.:05:48.

communities so we can insulate 5 million homes over the next ten

:05:49.:06:06.

years. The environment is that fashionable any more in politics, as

:06:07.:06:11.

you may have noticed with David Cameron, but it matters. It is

:06:12.:06:17.

incredibly important for our economy and there is no more important issue

:06:18.:06:22.

for me when I think about my children's generation and what I can

:06:23.:06:26.

do in politics than tackling global climate change. We need a plan for

:06:27.:06:46.

jobs, we need a plan for wages. We need a plan that can actually help

:06:47.:06:51.

the working families of our country. At the heart of our plan for our

:06:52.:06:56.

country and your family is also a future for all of our young people.

:06:57.:07:01.

I met somebody called Elizabeth the other day, where is she? She is

:07:02.:07:08.

here. Why don't you stand up for one second. Elizabeth is an apprentice.

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APPLAUSE Elizabeth is an apprentice, and auto

:07:15.:07:25.

electrician. I think it is fair to say you are breaking through what

:07:26.:07:34.

has been up until now pretty much a man's world. Let's have a round of

:07:35.:07:38.

applause for what she is doing. She is one of the lucky few. Actually

:07:39.:07:45.

Elizabeth's school, because I met her yesterday, her school helped her

:07:46.:07:49.

to get an apprenticeship but so many other schools don't do that. Lots of

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the young people I meet on apprenticeships say, my school said

:07:55.:07:57.

apprenticeships were rubbish and they wouldn't help me, but now I am

:07:58.:08:03.

doing it, it is really great for me. Frankly there are not enough and

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they are not high-quality enough so our fourth national goal is that by

:08:07.:08:12.

2025, as many young people will be leaving school or college to go onto

:08:13.:08:16.

an apprenticeship as currently go to university. I have got to tell you,

:08:17.:08:31.

this is an absolutely huge undertaking. We are such a long way

:08:32.:08:37.

from this as a country. It will require a massive national effort.

:08:38.:08:41.

It will require young people to show the ambition to do well and to get

:08:42.:08:47.

on. It will require schools to lead a dramatic change in education, with

:08:48.:08:52.

new gold standard technical qualifications, and it will need

:08:53.:08:57.

business and government to lead a revolution in apprenticeships.

:08:58.:08:59.

Government is good at preaching to business about what it should be

:09:00.:09:04.

doing. Let me tell you, government is absolutely useless when it comes

:09:05.:09:07.

to apprenticeships, and it is true of governments of both parties. In

:09:08.:09:13.

Germany they do a fantastic job of giving apprenticeships to the next

:09:14.:09:17.

generation. We don't do that in this country so first we have got to

:09:18.:09:21.

tackle the failure by government, then we say to business that you

:09:22.:09:25.

have got to play your part. If you want to bring in a worker from

:09:26.:09:30.

outside the European Union, that is OK, but you must provide an

:09:31.:09:33.

apprenticeship to the next generation. We cannot have what is

:09:34.:09:43.

happening at the moment in IT where you have got more and more people

:09:44.:09:46.

coming in but the amount of apprenticeships falling in IT. We

:09:47.:09:51.

have got to say to business that we are going to give you control of the

:09:52.:09:55.

money for apprenticeships for the first time but in exchange, if you

:09:56.:10:00.

want a major government contract, you must provide apprenticeships to

:10:01.:10:16.

our young people. The plan for jobs, for wages, for education, but what

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is it, what are the things that give confidence and security in life? It

:10:24.:10:27.

is the love of people we care most about, decent work properly

:10:28.:10:35.

rewarded, but also the security of having a home of your own. That

:10:36.:10:39.

British dream of home ownership is fading for so many people. Under

:10:40.:10:43.

this Government we are building fewer homes than at any time since

:10:44.:10:48.

the 1920s, so our fifth national goal is that by 2025, for the first

:10:49.:10:54.

time in 50 years, this country will be building as many homes as we

:10:55.:10:59.

need, doubling the number of first-time buyers in our country.

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Again, it will require a massive national effort. We won't let large

:11:12.:11:18.

developers sit on land. We will say to small developers of construction

:11:19.:11:22.

companies that we will help them to build homes again in our country. We

:11:23.:11:27.

will build a new generation of towns, garden cities and suburbs,

:11:28.:11:31.

creating over half a million new homes, and we will also make housing

:11:32.:11:36.

the top priority for additional capital investment in the next

:11:37.:11:40.

Parliament. This party will get Britain building again. Your family

:11:41.:12:00.

also needs public services you can rely on. Education, policing,

:12:01.:12:05.

transport. Nowhere is that more true than for the national health

:12:06.:12:09.

service. I mentioned earlier that I spent a couple of days at a hospital

:12:10.:12:15.

in Watford earlier this year. I met an amazing man called Colin in his

:12:16.:12:20.

80s who sadly died a few weeks later, but I will always remember my

:12:21.:12:25.

conversation with him. He remembered the foundation of the NHS. He

:12:26.:12:31.

remembered what life was like before the National Health Service. I

:12:32.:12:40.

remember him saying to me, Ed, the problem then was you were on your

:12:41.:12:45.

own, on your own having to pay for medical treatment. Friends, we are

:12:46.:12:49.

so proud of our National Health Service and I know my duty to Colin

:12:50.:12:54.

and the British people is to make sure our NHS is there when we need

:12:55.:13:11.

it. So our sixth national goal is that we create a truly world-class

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21st-century health and care service, because the hospital is

:13:16.:13:20.

only as good as the services in the community. That is the biggest

:13:21.:13:26.

lesson I learned in Watford. If people cannot get to see their GP,

:13:27.:13:30.

if elderly people cannot get the visit they need, they end up in

:13:31.:13:35.

hospital when it could have been avoided. That is bad for them and

:13:36.:13:40.

bad for the taxpayer. It costs billions of pounds. Let's face it,

:13:41.:13:48.

those services are creaking. One in four people cannot get to see their

:13:49.:13:54.

GP within a week. We have had the scandal of home care visits for the

:13:55.:13:57.

elderly restricted to just 15 minutes. In this day and age. The

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NHS faces huge challenges over the coming years. We will transform our

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NHS. It is time to care about our NHS. We need doctors, nurses,

:14:15.:14:20.

midwives, care workers who are able to spend proper time with us, not

:14:21.:14:25.

rushed off their feet. So we will set aside resources so we can have

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3000 more midwives, 5000 more care workers, 8000 more GPs and 20,000

:14:33.:14:40.

more nurses. And NHS with time to care.

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In order to pay for it, we won't borrow an extra penny. Or raise

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taxes on ordinary working families. We will clamp down on tax

:15:22.:15:27.

avoidance, including tax loopholes by the hedge funds, to raise over ?1

:15:28.:15:30.

billion. We will use the proceeds of a

:15:31.:15:43.

mansion tax on homes above ?2 million. And we will raise extra

:15:44.:15:55.

resources from the tobacco companies who make soaring profits on the back

:15:56.:15:57.

of ill health. Because, friends, the principle of

:15:58.:16:12.

building it together means everyone playing our part in making our NHS

:16:13.:16:16.

what it needs to be. In total, we will set aside ?2.5

:16:17.:16:35.

billion in an NHS time to care fund and tomorrow, Andy Burnham will set

:16:36.:16:39.

out our integrated plan for physical health, mental health and care for

:16:40.:16:43.

the elderly. Truly a 21st-century National Health Service.

:16:44.:16:55.

The stakes are incredibly high at the selection and nowhere more so

:16:56.:17:00.

than on the National Health Service because we know the NHS is sliding

:17:01.:17:04.

backwards under this Government. We know they are privatising and

:17:05.:17:09.

fragmenting it. Just imagine what another five years of David Cameron

:17:10.:17:13.

would mean for our national health service, friends. We are not going

:17:14.:17:20.

to let it happen. Our NHS is too precious, too important, and we will

:17:21.:17:21.

not let it happen. Friends, we built the NHS, we saved

:17:22.:17:36.

the NHS, we are going to repeal the health and social care bill and we

:17:37.:17:41.

are going to transform our NHS for the future. That is what the next

:17:42.:17:46.

Labour Government will do and, friends, we will do it together!

:17:47.:18:15.

Six national goals, friends. To transform our country. Not a false

:18:16.:18:25.

promise on day one. Not some pie in the sky idea that can't be

:18:26.:18:31.

delivered. Real concrete ideas that can transform our country. That can

:18:32.:18:37.

restore faith in the future. A plan for Britain's future. Labour's plan

:18:38.:18:43.

for Britain's future. But to make that happen, we also have to do

:18:44.:18:48.

something else. And transform who has power in our country. So that

:18:49.:18:52.

those who feel locked out feel let back in. You know people think

:18:53.:18:59.

Westminster politics is out of touch, irrelevant, and often

:19:00.:19:03.

disconnected from their lives. As someone who stands at Prime

:19:04.:19:07.

Minister's Questions each Wednesday, I often know what they

:19:08.:19:13.

mean. We might as well say it. It's what people think about politics.

:19:14.:19:17.

They think it's not about them, and we have got to change it for that we

:19:18.:19:20.

don't need to just restore people 's faith in the future, with the

:19:21.:19:24.

economic and social plan, we need to change the way politics works in

:19:25.:19:28.

this country. What does that mean? First of all, it's time to hear

:19:29.:19:35.

young people in politics so we will give the vote to 16 and 17-year-olds

:19:36.:19:37.

in general elections. It's time to complete the unfinished

:19:38.:19:59.

business of the reform of the House of Lords so we have a true senate of

:20:00.:20:08.

the nations and regions. And it's time to devolve power in England.

:20:09.:20:17.

And I'm incredibly proud of our proposals, ambitious proposals, to

:20:18.:20:21.

reverse a century of centralisation and there can be no better place to

:20:22.:20:26.

be talking about this than here in Manchester, devolving power to local

:20:27.:20:30.

Government, bringing power closer to people right across England.

:20:31.:20:41.

And we need bigger reform of our Constitution full here is the thing,

:20:42.:20:47.

friends also given Everton and about what people think about Westminster

:20:48.:20:51.

politics, it has got to be led by the people for the bid can't be some

:20:52.:20:55.

Westminster stitch up. That is why we need a proper constitutional

:20:56.:20:59.

convention harnessing the civic energy and spirit are people right

:21:00.:21:04.

across our land. England, Scotland, Wales, every part of United Kingdom.

:21:05.:21:12.

But you know I've realised something else. Giving people voices is also

:21:13.:21:18.

about recognising who we are as a nation. We are more than ever four

:21:19.:21:25.

countries and one. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

:21:26.:21:30.

and Britain, too. Each nation making its contribution. We're not just a

:21:31.:21:35.

better together, we are greater together. And that's not something

:21:36.:21:41.

to fear. That is something to be proud of. I learned something really

:21:42.:21:48.

important, as I'm sure we all did, in this referendum campaign. All of

:21:49.:21:53.

those people who are proud to be Scottish and proud to be British,

:21:54.:21:58.

just like you are so many people who are proud to be Welsh and proud to

:21:59.:22:03.

be British, no one more so than our brilliant First Minister of Wales,

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Carwyn Jones. Let's hear it for him today, ladies and gentlemen.

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And so to we can be proud to be English and proud to be British. And

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I say to this party, we must fight for these traditions and not see

:22:30.:22:38.

them to others. Englishness, a history of solidarity, from the

:22:39.:22:41.

Battle of cable Street against Oswald Mosley and the Blackshirts,

:22:42.:22:50.

to the spirit of the Blitz, Englishness, traditions of fairness,

:22:51.:22:54.

from the Ford workers at Dagenham who fought for equal pay, to

:22:55.:22:58.

today's campaigners for the living wage. Englishness, a spirit of

:22:59.:23:10.

international is, from those who fought in the Spanish Civil War to

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our generosity to those overseas. Friends, there will be some people

:23:23.:23:25.

who tell you that being English, Welsh or Scottish means dividing or

:23:26.:23:30.

setting ourselves against each other. Rubbish. Why? Because here is

:23:31.:23:38.

what we, the Labour Party, no. The injustices facing working people

:23:39.:23:42.

face them right across the United Kingdom. And we can only tackle them

:23:43.:23:55.

together. That is, after all, what we spent the last two years fighting

:23:56.:23:59.

for and I am not going to let anyone, after the last two years,

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drive us apart. And if David Cameron cares so much

:24:03.:24:17.

about the union, why is he seeking to divide us? He is learning the

:24:18.:24:26.

wrong lessons from Scotland. He is learning the wrong lessons from

:24:27.:24:31.

Scotland because what he doesn't understand is that the lessons are,

:24:32.:24:35.

of course, about the constitution, but they are not about playing

:24:36.:24:41.

political tactics about England. And here is why he is doing it. David

:24:42.:24:47.

Cameron doesn't lie awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom.

:24:48.:24:52.

The lies awake at night thinking about the United Kingdom

:24:53.:24:59.

Independence party, UKIP. That is why he is doing it, friends. And I

:25:00.:25:10.

say, pandering to them as just one more reason why he is not set to be

:25:11.:25:15.

the Prime Minister of this great country.

:25:16.:25:35.

So, better together across United Kingdom but also better together

:25:36.:25:41.

true to our traditions of internationalism, and nowhere is

:25:42.:25:45.

that more true than when it comes to Europe and the European Union.

:25:46.:25:52.

Friends, let me say it plainly, our future lies in the side, not

:25:53.:25:58.

outside, the European Union. -- inside.

:25:59.:26:10.

We need to reform Europe for that we need to reform Europe and the

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economy on immigration, benefits, all of these big issues but here is

:26:18.:26:21.

the question for Britain. How do we do that? Do we reform Europe by

:26:22.:26:26.

building alliances or by burning them? What is really good as we've

:26:27.:26:32.

had a recent test case by David Cameron of his strategy. I don't

:26:33.:26:35.

know whether you missed it but about somebody called Jean-Claude Juncker.

:26:36.:26:41.

In case you missed the score, it's not so good from his point of view,

:26:42.:26:47.

because we lost by 26-2. Why did he lose? Because at the start people

:26:48.:26:53.

thought he might win that a vote for such I will tell you why. Because

:26:54.:26:59.

the problem for our country is that when David Cameron comes calling,

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people don't think he's calling about the problems of Britain or

:27:04.:27:09.

Europe, they think he is calling on the problems of the Conservative

:27:10.:27:12.

Party. Here is a funny thing, friends. If you are elected

:27:13.:27:18.

Chancellor of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, the President of

:27:19.:27:21.

France, you don't really think you are a letter to solve the problems

:27:22.:27:26.

of the Conservative Party. -- elected to solve the problems of the

:27:27.:27:36.

Conservative Party. That's why he can't succeed for our country. What

:27:37.:27:42.

we had over Jean-Claude Juncker is just a preview of what could be for

:27:43.:27:46.

this country if David Cameron was back in power after 2015. Because he

:27:47.:27:55.

lost 26-2 over that. He has to win 28-0 to get a reform of Europe,

:27:56.:28:00.

unanimity. No chance for David Cameron. He has got no chance of

:28:01.:28:05.

fighting for this country. People think he's got one hand on the exit

:28:06.:28:09.

door and his strategy has failed. If you want to reform Europe, change

:28:10.:28:15.

the way Europe works, if you want to keep Britain in the European Union,

:28:16.:28:20.

and if you realise that the biggest threat to our prosperity is now the

:28:21.:28:25.

Conservative Party, the right answer is a Labour Government.

:28:26.:28:40.

I am determined, as Prime Minister, to promote our values all around the

:28:41.:28:44.

world and one of the things that means, friends, is seeking a

:28:45.:28:49.

solution to a problem that we know in our heart is one of the biggest

:28:50.:28:52.

problem that we know in our hearts as one of the biggest problems our

:28:53.:28:54.

world faces. And that is issues in the Middle East, Israel and

:28:55.:28:57.

Palestine. I'd tell you, I will fight with every fibre of my being

:28:58.:29:05.

to get the two state solution, Israel and Palestinian state living

:29:06.:29:10.

side-by-side. That will be a very, very important task of the next

:29:11.:29:12.

Labour Government, friends. There's one other thing I want to

:29:13.:29:26.

say by what we need to do abroad. We have made extraordinary progress on

:29:27.:29:31.

lesbian and gay rights. Over the last 20 years. When I think other

:29:32.:29:36.

transformations I have seen growing up into adulthood, it's the biggest

:29:37.:29:42.

transformation for that we have got such progress on the quality. But we

:29:43.:29:45.

have to face the fact internationally, things are going

:29:46.:29:50.

backwards. We can't just let that happen for that we can't just say

:29:51.:29:54.

that's OK. This Labour Government will fight to make sure that we

:29:55.:30:00.

fight for our values and for human rights all around the world so today

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I can announce that I am appointing Michael Cashman, Lord Cashman, as

:30:08.:30:12.

our envoy on LGB Teague writes all around the world. -- LGB

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It is about a plan at home and abroad but it is also about

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leadership. The next nine months represent my interview with the

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British people for one of the most important jobs in our country. I

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care about big ideas that can change our country, the principle of

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together. I care about hearing the voices of people right across our

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land and not shutting them out. I care about using the power of

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government to stand up against powerful forces when we need to do

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so. It came home to me the other day when I met Rosie, the doctor from

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Devon, and she said to me that we need someone who can stand up for

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working, everyday people, because you will have the power and we

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won't. That's why I stood up to Rupert Murdoch over phone hacking,

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that's why I stood up to the payday lenders over their exploitation of

:31:30.:31:32.

the poorest people in our country, that's why I stood up to the energy

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companies, and it's why I stood up to the Daily Mail when they set my

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dad hated Britain because I know my dad loved Britain. APPLAUSE

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That is me, but what about the other guy?

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This isn't a conventional job interview so I get to say something

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about him. He stands up for the principle of you are on your own, he

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stands up for the privileged few. He really thinks a good photo

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opportunity will fool people into thinking that he doesn't really

:32:31.:32:33.

stand up for the rich and privileged, he stands up for you and

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your family. In this day and age when people are so cynical about

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politics, I think it adds to that cynicism. Here is the thing. He has

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been found out, because he hugged is a husky before the election, then he

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said cut the crap after an election. He was standing outside a hospital

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before the election with a placard saying no hospital closures, and he

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closed that very same A department after the election. He changed his

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logo to the tree before the election, then tried to sell the

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forest after the election! And he has been found out because he said

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he was a compassionate Conservative before the election, and he imposed

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the cruel, vindictive, the unfair bedroom tax after the election. And

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you know what gets me even more? Even now, with all the tales of

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misery, hardship, injustice, he thinks a bit of rebranding will get

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him off the hook so he calls it the spare room subsidy as if that will

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make the problem go away. Well, David Cameron, you have been found

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out. Friends, there is a choice of leadership at this election, a real

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stark choice of leadership. Leadership that stands for the

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privileged few, or leadership that fight for you and your family. This

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isn't just about leadership, the Government and Labour's plan for

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Britain's future, it is also about all of you. We cannot build the

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country we need without you, without mobilising every part of Britain. So

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I say to young people, we need your hopes, your energy, your vitality. I

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say to every older person, we respect your service and we need

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your wisdom. I say to every business, you can be part of this.

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We cannot do it without you. I say to every entrepreneur we need your

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ideas, your enthusiasm. I say to every charity, we admire your spirit

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and we want to hear your voice. I say to every nurse, every teacher,

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every public service worker, we salute your dedication and we know

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why you do what you do. I say to every person in our country who

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believes that tomorrow can be better than today, we need you. Together we

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bring up our families, together we look out for our neighbours,

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together we care for our communities and we build great businesses, the

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best in the world. We teach the young, heal the sick, care for the

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cold, create keels for terrible diseases, so of course together we

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can rebuild our country. We can reward hard work, we can make sure

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the best generation does better than the last. Together we can make our

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NHS greater than it has ever been before. Together we can make Britain

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proud, stronger in the world, we can restore faith in the future. On our

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own we cannot, but together we can. In the next eight months, the

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British people face one of the biggest choices in generations, the

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choice between carrying on as we are, on your own for the privileged

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few, are different, better future for our country. We are ready.

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Labour's plan for Britain's future, let's make it happen together. Thank

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you very much. APPLAUSE

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Ed Miliband finishes his speech to the Labour Party conference of

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2014. It wasn't quite 80 minutes but it was almost 80 minutes. A lot of

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use of the word together, sounding like the Pet Shop Boys, as the

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conference rises to his feet. A kiss from the wife for a job well done.

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He outlined his plan for Britain, covering housing, jobs, the NHS, and

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it was only when he came to the NHS that the speech really came alive in

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the conference hall. Ed Miliband outlined ways in which extra money

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would be raised to increase the number of doctors, nurses and other

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people in the health service. That was the centrepiece of what his

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message was not just of the party faithful today, but to the wider

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electorate watching at home. It is always a bit of an ordeal for the

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party leaders, these speeches. Time now to relax and take the applause.

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Let's hear about how they are reacting in the conference hall.

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Ed Miliband began his speech with reference to the situation in Syria

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and Iraq and indeed while Mr Miliband was speaking here in

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Manchester, the president was making a speech in the United States in

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which he said that this is not America's fight alone, referring to

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the bombing attacks on Syria, as well as Iraq. What we didn't get

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from the Labour leader was exactly what Labour's policy would be,

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should Britain decide it wants to take part in these attacks as well.

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That is something we may follow up with in a moment. The speech is

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over. He is about to leave the hall, probably put his feet up for a

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couple of minutes. It was a long speech, even by modern party

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conference standards. Charlie Falconer is still with me, Nick

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Robinson has just rushed back from the hall. What did you make of it?

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He described the next eight months as a job interview but he didn't try

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really hard to sell himself. He tried instead to sell an idea,

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summed up in that word together. I didn't count, but well over 100

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times. He chose one simple policy to summarise that idea, the NHS. In a

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way you could strip the entire speech down to two sentences,

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believed Labour has, the symbol of that being investing in the NHS.

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Lots more goals and policies, many of them familiar, but in its essence

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that was it. I thought it was a meaty speech, well delivered. We

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said before it started there was considerable pressure on him, he

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rose to the occasion I thought. I don't agree that it is only about

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the NHS, it is meaty because the six promises contained more policies,

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and he talked about the extent to which people are bearing the burden

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of the crisis, and he spoke about how to solve it. I don't agree with

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you completely that it was as stripped down as you say. It was

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really well delivered and there is real substance in it and there is a

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speech that will repay a lot afterwards. I have just been told he

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said the word together 51 times. What did he say about the economy?

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He indicated the need for apprenticeships. He didn't speak in

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any detail about macro economy policy but he was talking about the

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future. He specified how he was going to paper the extra jobs in the

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NHS that he identified. You cannot afford to do any of that unless you

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preside over a strong, growing economy and he had nothing to say

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the economy. Ed Balls dealt with that yesterday. He hopes to be the

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prime minister, and also hopes to be the first Lord of the Treasury. It

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is not incumbent on a man who would be our Prime Minister to talk about

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his economic policy? That was done by the Shadow Chancellor. This is

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the speech covered live on afternoon television, the one that is

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dissected, and it is the economy that will determine the election,

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and yet the leader of the opposition didn't outline his economic policy.

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If you don't have economic policy, you don't have the health service.

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You mean what we are going to do about the deficit, and that is what

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Ed Balls dealt with yesterday. Why repeat it? What did he say about

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growth? He indicated that we would be cutting the deficit. That is what

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the Conservatives believed in. We believe in not so deep and not so

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long. I think it is striking that this was more about the goals that

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would be achieved if you could restructure the way the economy

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delivers for ordinary people, that has been the key theme of the

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Miliband leadership throughout. He spelt out with a series of long-term

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goal how exactly that would be done. My point about the NHS being the

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symbol is that Labour know that the ratings of Ed Miliband are not

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high, he didn't try to change them in terms of telling a story about

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himself. He spoke about policy and I think he did something else rather

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interesting, and I think it works better on television than in the

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hall. It was quite short on what the spin doctors call clap lines, there

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was a deliberate effort to have a conversation with the country. At

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times there were some people struggling to stay awake in there.

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My instinct is that if you stuck with it, if you are interested in

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what a Labour government would do, it was engaging. Enough of the

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pundits and the politicians, let's find out what the Labour delegates

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thought. Jo. Here I am in the midst of the

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delegates as they come out of the conference hall. Your impressions of

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the speech? I thought it was a strong speech, it has given us a lot

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to work with and to sell on the doorstep this Saturday. I liked

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particularly the announcement on more doctors and nurses. That got a

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massive cheer. And the fact that was married up with closing tax

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loopholes. What about votes for 16 and

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17-year-olds? Did not appeal to you? I think it's a positive move for the

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babe showing themselves to be engaged in the Scottish referendum.

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Young people everywhere vote is more commonly when they vote at a younger

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age, so it will engender democratic participation in younger people.

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Something to take to the doorstep that lady said. What did you think?

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Fairly solid waste it talk about opening up politics wider than the

:45:31.:45:36.

Westminster bubble, I thought that build on the experiences of the

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Scottish referendum over the last few months. It sounds not

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inspirational. Was that Britain much what you expect it Britain Mark the

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obvious they had a lot to do today and I thought he did it. You will

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take it to the doorsteps? I probably will. What was the big thought from

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that speech? The NHS is being crushed by the Conservatives and Ed

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Miliband has a plan to get it back but the LGBT factor as well. The

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Labour Party has said it is a problem across the world and I'm 26

:46:11.:46:16.

years old and I've seen it the natural in Britain now and it needs

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to be across the world. The NHS, people might say, belongs to Labour

:46:20.:46:25.

by what about things like cutting spending and balancing the books?

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Did we hear enough about that? I think we have a proper planning

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plays and Ed Miliband is the man to lead us. David Cameron has not done

:46:35.:46:38.

enough in the last five years but Ed Miliband has said these are the

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things we are going to do and he is not made promises he can't keep like

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Nick Clegg did. No party can turn it around in five years and that's what

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he's done for us today, I think. The 10-year plan, that's longer than

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Stalin. No idea, but I hope it works. What about the slogan? What

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did he say more times than anything else? Togetherness, we can achieve

:47:03.:47:13.

more together. We can achieve 1945 again, where we created the NHS. We

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can fund services and have the renationalisation of railways. This

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is only the start. 1 have a socialist society, the next 10-year

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plan, we can add even more great socialism in society. The 10-year

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plan is brilliant. His speech was inspiring. He is going to number ten

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Downing St for the birth of a man for the people. Together we stand.

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This is the best for Britain. The lady has got my microphone. Back to

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you, Andrew. Thanks, Jo.

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While Ed Miliband was on his feet, President Obama was talking

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about the US strategy to tackle Islamic State.

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This comes after last night's strikes

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against the Jihadis in Syria, where, previously, bombing has been

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The Americans were joined by five Arab allies on their attack on

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Islamic positions in Syria. This is what the American president had to

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say. We are joined in this action by our friends and partners, Saudi

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Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Bahrain, and Qatar. America

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is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations on

:48:36.:48:39.

behalf of our common security. The strength of this coalition makes it

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clear to the world that this is not America's fight alone. Above all,

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people in Government in the Middle East are rejecting Isis and standing

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up for the peace and security the people in the region and the world

:48:53.:48:58.

deserve. The president speaking a few moments ago. Let's talk to the

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Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham. Welcome. The president said

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this is not America's fight alone. If Britain was to be asked to be

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involved in the strikes, would Labour support them? Ed Miliband

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said we will support the action being taken and play our part.

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Anybody who went to the debate a decade ago think carefully about

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taking this step. Of course we do. We'll Britain take part in air

:49:29.:49:34.

strikes? That's not a decision which has been made. Parliament would have

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to make that decision. And if it comes to Parliament, which way would

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Labour vote? We would support the action taken. It's a decision for

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Parliament and we would have to see what the Prime Minister and the

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president agreed and put to Parliament. We can't prejudge that,

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can we? It's a situation. When you hear about the situation with Alan

:49:58.:50:01.

Henning, an appalling state of affairs, most people will say

:50:02.:50:06.

something needs to be done to take on this brutal outfit. Ed Miliband

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didn't spend much time on it. He said he wanted a UN resolution.

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Would that be a precondition of British participation? He was very

:50:21.:50:23.

clear on that and I think the art thinking about the debates of a

:50:24.:50:28.

decade ago but it would be wrong if we didn't. That was an issue that,

:50:29.:50:33.

in the end, fractured people and it's important we work hard to build

:50:34.:50:37.

that international consensus about any action and that's why he was

:50:38.:50:41.

right. He began his speech with it, Andrew. He didn't actually say it

:50:42.:50:47.

would be a precondition and said he wanted one. Are you saying would be

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a precondition of Labour support for British participation but they would

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have to be a UN resolution? We are going to see what they agree in New

:50:57.:51:00.

York tomorrow. Let's see what is discussed and what the Prime

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Minister asks of us as a Labour Party. I can't prejudge that

:51:04.:51:10.

discussion. It would be ridiculous of me to do that. You said it would

:51:11.:51:14.

be a precondition of a UN resolution and I'm simply asking again, is that

:51:15.:51:21.

right? Ed Miliband was very clear. No comedy wasn't. You quoted him. --

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no, he wasn't. I can't answer that right now. We can't see what the

:51:31.:51:36.

postal primers double put to Parliament. Be fair, these are

:51:37.:51:40.

serious matters. I can't speak without the detail being put to us.

:51:41.:51:45.

Emphasis on the NHS, but of course, we can't have an NHS that is well

:51:46.:51:51.

funded and works for all of us unless we have a growing and

:51:52.:51:55.

prosperous economy. Why was this so little mentioned about the economy

:51:56.:52:01.

in his speech? You are joking. There was not a single mention of the

:52:02.:52:07.

deficit. An economy which works for everybody rather than a few of the

:52:08.:52:14.

top. He didn't tell us anything. He was talk that people self-employed,

:52:15.:52:17.

giving them the same support other people take the granted, talking

:52:18.:52:23.

about a minimum wage that pays a decent wage to everybody. He was

:52:24.:52:27.

talking about taking away that insecurity of low-paid work. I think

:52:28.:52:30.

that is a lot of important statement on the economy. The deficit? Ed

:52:31.:52:37.

Balls said we take a difficult decision about child benefit to show

:52:38.:52:43.

its various. Ed said it would not be paid for by more borrowing, but by

:52:44.:52:47.

asking those who can afford it and were not paying their share at the

:52:48.:52:52.

moment, to that contribution. Let's look at a number of ways, the

:52:53.:52:57.

mansion tax, so-called, how much will that race? We are being

:52:58.:53:03.

cautious and we think it could raise at least ?1.2 billion. Let's

:53:04.:53:08.

remember the Lib Dems for the last election said it could raise 1.7, so

:53:09.:53:13.

we have aired on the side of caution. We know the cynicism out

:53:14.:53:17.

there about people saying we will raise this much from that and

:53:18.:53:20.

putting together a package which looks like it does make sense. The

:53:21.:53:24.

NHS needs them where the money is coming from. So how will you raise

:53:25.:53:32.

this ?1.2 billion from the mansion tax? How will you identify homes

:53:33.:53:39.

worth more than ?2 million? We will use the figures which are there. The

:53:40.:53:44.

property values collected by the land Registry office. But they

:53:45.:53:51.

reflect the prices of when the price of the House was sold. There could

:53:52.:53:59.

be a House is sold in 1990 on the land Registry for ?1 million now

:54:00.:54:14.

worth ?5 million. How will you know? The valuation on properties is what

:54:15.:54:16.

we will use. There is no current valuation. How will you identify the

:54:17.:54:19.

homes which are over ?2 million? This is not my area. Your

:54:20.:54:26.

department. I have not worked out all the details. You are promising

:54:27.:54:33.

the doctors and nurses on the back of it. I and the Shadow Health

:54:34.:54:39.

Secretary. You are promising doctors and nurses more on the back of

:54:40.:54:42.

something you don't know how the money will be raised. The money is

:54:43.:54:48.

there, at least ?1.2 billion, and mansion tax is worth more than ?2

:54:49.:54:54.

million, and actually, raising far more on the most expensive

:54:55.:54:58.

properties. You're hoping for an extra ?1 billion on tax avoidance

:54:59.:55:03.

and that's going to the NHS fund. Last year, Ed Miliband said that

:55:04.:55:08.

that money from cracking down on tax avoidance, taking back ?150 million

:55:09.:55:14.

from the hedge fund would go on the bedroom tax. Now it's going on the

:55:15.:55:23.

NHS? I have got the document here. It's to prevent people avoiding tax

:55:24.:55:26.

on hedge funds and closing the Eurobonds loophole. Used by large

:55:27.:55:31.

companies to avoid paying their share of tax. Also talking about

:55:32.:55:40.

umbrella organisations. I know that. This is a carefully worked out plan.

:55:41.:55:44.

I know you are paid to pick holes in it but actually... No, I'm paid to

:55:45.:55:50.

get answers to let me try again. Last day, all of these things he

:55:51.:55:54.

said would go on the bedroom tax and now it's going on the NHS. You are

:55:55.:56:01.

spending it twice. Not at all full is you haven't mentioned the money

:56:02.:56:06.

from tobacco companies. That's nothing. A package put together

:56:07.:56:11.

which means the ordinary people of this country is facing tough times

:56:12.:56:17.

do not have to pay more for the NHS. We are asking those making money off

:56:18.:56:21.

the back of ill-health, who are not paying their fair share, avoiding

:56:22.:56:25.

tax, to transform the NHS into the service we wanted to be. You'll only

:56:26.:56:31.

get 150 million from that. It was part of the package. The NHS budget

:56:32.:56:40.

is ?113 billion. It faces a ?30 billion shortfall so ?150 million

:56:41.:56:44.

from tobacco companies is neither here nor there. We're not just

:56:45.:56:49.

throwing money into the black hole. We are planning this election

:56:50.:56:56.

campaign for a national health care service, bringing social care into

:56:57.:57:03.

the NHS for the first time. Why is this so important? Because it means

:57:04.:57:06.

we can spend a few times and supporting people properly in their

:57:07.:57:10.

own homes and not paying thousands of pounds with people in hospital

:57:11.:57:14.

unnecessarily. If you make this change that we are describing, that

:57:15.:57:19.

is the route to what is clinical and financial sustainability for the NHS

:57:20.:57:25.

in an ageing society. If it is so easy to pick up tax avoidance from

:57:26.:57:28.

those who can avoid it, why did you do that when you were in power? We

:57:29.:57:33.

did lots of things when we're in power to the NHS back on its feet.

:57:34.:57:38.

Read the blunder Labour were avoiding billions of pounds a year.

:57:39.:57:44.

Increased, people 's awareness, how corporations movement around to

:57:45.:57:52.

avoid obligations. People's understanding of those issues has

:57:53.:57:55.

increased and it's right that politicians respond to that. I don't

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think people would think that's the wrong thing to do. When we were in

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government we put more money into the NHS and Ed Miliband said today

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we're going to do that again to create world-class NHS we wanted to

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be. You are trusted on the NHS. The polls show you are way ahead of the

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Tories on the NHS. They show your way behind on the economy. Why

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wasn't more done to increase trust on the economy? That is what was

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done yesterday. Ed Balls put together a package which is about

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saying Labour will get the deficit down, balance the books, and maybe

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wouldn't have pleased everybody but he said we will take a tough

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decision on child benefit. Thank you for rushing here from the speech and

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we will see you tomorrow as well. Thanks for being with us. That's it

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for today. Thanks to our guests. It will be back with more highlights

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are today's conference tonight on BBC Two just after Newsnight. We

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will be back tomorrow with Daily Politics at midday. Join us then.

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From all of us in Manchester, bye bye.

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