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David Cameron's in Iceland making friends with some | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
But the leaders of Estonia and Finland say they've yet to hear | :00:42. | :00:57. | |
from the PM how exactly he wants to renegotiate Britain's membership | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
Mr Cameron insists his reform discussions are "going well". | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
We don't have the report but we do now have a date - ish - | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
for the publication of the Chilcott inquiry into the Iraq war. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Every five years in China, man, they have a development plan. | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
So man, China's one child policy has been abandoned. | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
We'll be finding what else is in their latest five year plan. | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
And how about a spot of dog whistle politics? | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
It's the Parliamentary Dog of the Year Awards again. | :01:25. | :01:32. | |
All that in the next hour and with us for the duration, businessman and | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
Now, first today, since we have a Lord in our midst, | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
let's talk about the Upper House and the events of Monday. | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
You voted against George Osborne's plan to reduce tax credits. | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
. I think that what George Osborne did was not thought through. He had | :01:49. | :02:00. | |
openly said in the election that they wanted to cut welfare, which is | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
fine and I do think welfare needs to be cut. I do believe in | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
fine and I do think welfare needs to welfare-to-work and I do think we | :02:09. | :02:08. | |
need to balance reduce our set and our deficit but | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
the way he did this, without taking into | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
the way he did this, without taking cuts on the poorest, was just so bad | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
it was not compassionate and also, putting it through, through a | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
statutory instrument was not the right way to do it. This is a | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
welfare matter but also right way to do it. This is a | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
matter T should have been in the Autumn | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
matter T should have been in the Statement, debated in the House of | :02:35. | :02:35. | |
Commons. If it was a finance Statement, debated in the House of | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
you shouldn't have been touching it at all. Did you have concerns that | :02:40. | :02:40. | |
the Lords was getting at all. Did you have concerns that | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
It was a tricky situation, because we had a constitutional matter. | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
Should we have taken part in this? Because it was a statutory | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
instrument we could. There was no Because it was a statutory | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
question about it. It is rare we voted on statutory instruments. It | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
only happened a handful of times in the last few years, last time was in | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
two 12. I think people felt strongly about it, it hasn't been done the | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
right way. George Osborne is a politically astute. I can't believe | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
he did this, after the budget, there he did this, after the budget, there | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
was no need to do it this way. You are a businessman, you have | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
was no need to do it this way. You tough decisions, not always popular. | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
Isn't that what Chancellors have to do taking decisions is one thing, | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
how you implement them. do taking decisions is one thing, | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
listen to people. Do you do it from an ivory tower or listen to people? | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
Do you take into account effects of your decisions, this could have been | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
phased in be and done your decisions, this could have been | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
that doesn't affect the poorest. the right thing in using its voice | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
and expertise. That's the right thing in using its voice | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
amazing expertise. He the right thing in using its voice | :03:49. | :03:49. | |
away to think the right thing in using its voice | :03:50. | :03:59. | |
we did, that the English came At the end of the show our guest | :04:00. | :04:09. | |
will give us the correct answer. We hope. For a change I know the | :04:10. | :04:20. | |
answer. It's day two of David Cameron's | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
visit to Iceland. He's meant to be making friends with | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
our Northern European neighbours. Our Political Editor, | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
Laura Kuensberg is in Rejkavik. Looks lovely. What is going on? | :04:30. | :04:41. | |
Well, David Cameron has been trying to show in the last couple of days | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
that he is, after trying to stay out of the fray, now really engaging in | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
this whole debate. That is a change of position, no doubt about it. | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
Because in recent months, while the campaign for out and in have been | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
getting busy, number ten have really wanted to hang back but this week | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
that's changed. He is trying to show progress. He has been warning about | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
the idea of having a looser relationship like Iceland and Norway | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
do, with the rest of the EU but I think maybe more than anything else, | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
number ten has been trying to show that he is actually doing something. | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
One of the criticisms that has been made at home is that there is not | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
really anything going on with the renegotiation, it is all a bit of | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
emperor's new clothes at the moment. Downing Street challenge that and | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
insist things are happening. And in fact Europe Minister, David living | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
tonne, said last night, that the technical talks were completely | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
complete: The difficulty with that is - when you talk to European | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
leaders here, the Finnish Prime Minister and the Estonian one, as we | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
have been doing in the last 24 hours, both said to me that they | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
were yet to see any real detail and that there haven't been any concrete | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
proposals put on the table. All of that matters, of course, not just | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
because David Cameron wants to look like he is in the right place, but | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
there is only a few weeks left before he said he'd actually put | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
those proposals into the public domain. Tricky times. Indeed and a | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
first for a British Prime Minister, I understand that there hasn't been | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
a British Prime Minister in recce Vic since Winston Churchill. I | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
presume that was during the war. What is it like there, tell us what | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
it is like? Well 1941 was the year. You are right, Churchill came here | :06:18. | :06:25. | |
during the Second World War. Second world summits, as you well know -- | :06:26. | :06:33. | |
summits, as you well know, are odd affairs. And this is in that rather | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
strange tradition, partly because of where the summit is taking place. | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
This is the summit hotel, throughout the last couple of days, there have | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
been bemused glances and bemused exchanges between the tourists who | :06:46. | :06:55. | |
are here for a spot of whale watching or a strip around the | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
harbour, wrapped up, wand around like Michelin men and on the other | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
side you have the security men with earpieces in and leaders going about | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
their business. Compared to a summit in Brussels or the kinds of things | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
that happen in America or at G20 oer a big hardcore meeting like that. | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
This is a pretty relaxed and friendly affair, a bit like the | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
Icelanders themselves. Indeed they are. Don't go whale watching. That | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
seems to be a rather dangerous occupation these days. Try the hot | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
springs, you will enjoy them. With us now, the Conservative peer, | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
Martin Callanan, who used to be a member of the European Parliament, | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
and the UKIP MP, Douglas Carswell. Martin Callanan, how account Prime | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
Minister say the negotiations are going well when the people like the | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
leaders of Estonia and the Finns say they don't know what he wants? I | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
don't know what he wants. We have it in broad terms. But we haven't seen | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
the detail. Why don't we know what he wants? I think it is a good | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
question. And do you have a good answer? I think their view is that | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
they want to try and conclude negotiations in secret and not set | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
out their negotiating position too early but of course, nobody know | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
what is is on the table and we'll all look forward to seeing what it | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
is they are actually asking for when they publish the letter to the | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
European Council in November. You want Britain to leave the European | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
Union. Is this good news or bad news, for you, the way the Prime | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
Minister is going about it? I think it is pretty good news. I think many | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
undecided vote letters realise there is no fundamentally new deal on the | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
table and they are more lined to support leaving. -- voters will. Two | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
years ago when David Cameron announced the in-out referendum he | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
was framing it as a choice between leaving or a fundamentally new deal. | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
I think this week marks the moment at which the Prime Minister starts | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
to campaign for remaining in the EU, on current terms. He is more or less | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
given up on the idea of a new dee. He is using a combination of project | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
fear - saying you will be like Norway, as if it is the worst thing | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
in the world and on the other hand, suggesting we wouldn't have cheap | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
flights if we weren't in the EU. Both are nonsensical positions but | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
this is what the bottom of the barrel looks like in Downing Street | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
if you have no deal. With the Prime Minister deciding to come out | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
against the "Norwegian option" he is taking sides now. He said at one | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
stage he would rule nothing out. He has now ruled out the Norwegian | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
option. Why would you do that? I have no idea. I don't know anybody | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
arguing for the Norwegian option. Norway is the richest country of | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
Europe. It is a much sore semidetached option. It is by no | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
means perfect. They have a lot of problems. Nearly as bad as ours. | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
They have to accept a lot of the single market policies. But they are | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
not part of the Common Agricultural Policy, common farming 308cy, setts. | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
There are problems in the relationship but it doesn't seem to | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
do them harm. 70% of the population of Norway don't want to join as full | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
members T can't be that bad. Would you be happy to have a British | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
version. If we come out we won't copy Norway but it could provide a | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
template. Would you be happy with a British version of the Norwegian | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
relationship? I think it would present problems, particularly in | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
terms of services, financial services in particular and we would | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
need... Norway is covered by service, Switzerland isn't but | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
Norway S. The Norway model is a bad template. Norway is in the position | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
it is n because political elights wanted Norway to join and so as a | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
prelude to membership they went into the so-called waiting room for | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
Brussels membership. The people in Norway had more sense and their | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
politicians said no and they were left in an awkward position. Now if | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
they are in the position where five or six million can get preferential | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
terms. Think what we could do with we left and negotiated for a genuine | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
market accessed based relationship but without the red tape and | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
condition strants that come with being in the EU. What would be wrong | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
with that? I agree with Douglas, if we vote to leave we could probably | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
negotiate ourselves a better deal than Norway or Switzerland have | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
because of our relative size. But the problem s we wouldn't know until | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
we did leave. That's the problem. It depends what sort of goodwill is on | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
the other side, how difficult or awkward they want to be. Would, for | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
instance, the big question is - would access to the single market | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
necessarily result in accepting free movement, which is what many | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
people's problem is with Europe. It is a good point but let's bore in | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
mind last year we bought about #r50 billion pounds more stuff off the | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
Member States than they bought off us. They will not put protection | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
barriers there. They will not do that. Is the Prime Minister really | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
no longer neutral on this? All the signals we see is that he is going | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
to do his utmost to keep Britain in the European Union? I think that has | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
always been clear. I don't think he has made much secret of the fact | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
that fundamentally he wants to keep Britain in. Doesn't that weaken his | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
hand, then? That may be right position for a British Prime | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
Minister to say, that's not for me to decide. But if you are in an | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
negotiation, it is surely a mistake to send out signals to the other | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
side that basically - even if you give us next to nothing, I'm for | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
staying N. You start the negotiation which saying - please can we have | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
the concessions but don't worry we'll stay anyway, doesn't put you | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
in the position. But the trump card is the referendum. David Cameron | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
doesn't get to decide, I don't or Douglas doesn't. You do and everyone | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
else does, too. We have a vote. . . In the Lords. Do you not get a vote? | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
If I may, the two biggest developments that have happened in | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
the European Union over the past years is one the euro has proven to | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
be a disastrous thing t should never happened and slicked the migration | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
crisis is a huge problem. These two developments show that the European | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
Union, one, the free movement of people which I believe n we might | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
need to bring in with the free movement of people, passports check | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
between borders even if you are a European passport holder, you can | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
still have free movement and check passports but where the euro is | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
concerned that has proven the Europe project of an ever-moving forward | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
towards a United States of Europe is not going to happen and if David | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
Cameron can get an assurance, because there are many in Europe | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
right now who want to move towards that United States of Europe. That | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
is something we would never be prepared to go down. . I agree, | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
given immigration will be such an important issue it is worth bearing | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
in mind Iceland has a good situation with immigration. People can go to | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
Iceland for the skills they need. It works for migrants and Iceland. Why | :13:56. | :14:05. | |
don't we do that? It is the perception of outside world. To | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
countries like independentia, the United States, they all think for us | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
to be part of the European Union is important. The perception is very | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
important but on the other hand, I know that we are being hampered by | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
being part of the European Union by not being able to do free trade | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
deals. The EU-India free trade deal has stuck up for years and years, we | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
will never get that. On our own we would get there within months. | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
That's not what the American trade representative said today or | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
yesterday. He said America is moving to a free trade arrangement where | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
where it is doing deals with regional groups. It is just | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
completed one in the Pacific. It hopes to do one in Europe as well. | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
Although it is way behind the Pacific one. They are not so keen | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
any more to do by lateral deals. The State Department and Government | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
officials tend to like the European Union, it is a project created by | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
people like them to run humane economic social affairs Boyer his | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
Lordship makes a powerful point we. Could have a free trade agreement | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
with India. Isn't it absurd that Tata, a big investor in this | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
country, we don't have a free trade agreement with India. We could have | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
them if we leave the European Union. That's true but there are different | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
types. It is easy to have a free trade agreement with third world | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
country, India, China, on certain goods but we want banking services, | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
which is much more difficult to get. A It is surely inconceivable that | :15:28. | :15:39. | |
give the UK was outside the EU that it could not do a trade deal with | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
the USA? Absolutely. I would be interested to see if politicians | :15:48. | :15:57. | |
agree. Where would you rather be, Croydon or recce of it? Croydon but | :15:58. | :16:07. | |
Reykjavik is a wonderful place! If the ideal world would be for David | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
Cameron to go in there and renegotiate to see what the EU is | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
actually about. If he can do that and get an efficient Europe, all the | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
problems that the EU has, that and get an efficient Europe, all the | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
be a good situation. We can end on agreement with that. | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
So, a new timetable's been released for the long-awaited inquiry | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
into the Iraq war - predicting it will be made public | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
We don't have a date but we have a James Landale joins me now. | :16:40. | :16:52. | |
We don't have a date but we have a rough I hear. We could see it in the | :16:53. | :17:05. | |
summer of next year. -- date. There has been delays in the report and it | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
was originally set up when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister in 2009. It | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
heard its last evidence in February 2011 and yet we are still waiting. | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
What we now know is that we have something approaching a timetable, | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
if not a specific date, a letter sent by Sir John Chilcot to the | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
Prime Minister yesterday and published yesterday saying | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
Prime Minister yesterday and be finished by April and it will | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
then go to the security services to check there are no inadvertent | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
breaches of national security in the published document which will run to | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
2 million words and the expectation is that it will be published in June | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
or July next year. I cabinets nine week window when it will be | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
published. A huge amount of frustration expressed in reaction | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
about what many people see as a further delay. I will tell you what | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
the Prime Minister and former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, had to say | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
after we hear from the Speaker of the House of Commons who had this to | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
say in The Chamber. I think it is important on behalf of the House | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
whether it concerns him or not, that Sir John should be aware that there | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
is a very real sense of anger and frustration across the House about | :18:30. | :18:40. | |
the disservice that has been done. That anger reflected by some of the | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
families of the Jewish servicemen who were killed in Iraq, and by the | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
current Prime Minister and Tony Blair. -- British. David Cameron | :18:49. | :18:56. | |
said he is still frustrated that it is on this existing timetable and is | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
willing to provide more support in terms of staff from Whitehall to | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
speed the process up. Tony Blair responded on his website and said | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
that he and other contributors to the enquiry are not to blame for | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
this process where contributors were given draft copies of the report, | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
where they were criticised, offering them the opportunity to respond to | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
that. Tony Blair said it is not right to blame that for the delay. | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
He only found out this year about the contents and would reply by the | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
summer. He said there are other reasons why this took so long and it | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
is not all down to me. Thank you. We are joined by someone from the Daily | :19:44. | :19:59. | |
Mail. I went to the BBC, I said that Sir John Chilcot is clearly five | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
years late, most of the evidence has been made to the public, we can go | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
through the testimony to Chilcot, and we were able to answer the | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
question is very clearly. Do you get the impression that we now know the | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
date? You get the feeling that a gun was put to Chilcot's head, | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
metaphorically. Absolutely. There was a report that it would be | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
delayed until 2017. It was reported in the Sunday Times that the whole | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
thing had errors in the report, they had not understood how the military | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
works, so poor old Sir John Chilcot who is getting on now, well into his | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
70s, one of the panel is guides while... Some of the people whose | :20:49. | :20:56. | |
sons and daughters were lost died in Iraq as well. Hundreds of thousands | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
of deaths in Iraq. Their parents have died and they have been waiting | :21:03. | :21:11. | |
for this bug an important point. It is an outrage. The last British | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
soldier left Basra, left Iraq, in 2007. This report will be nine years | :21:17. | :21:24. | |
late to stop Sir John Chilcot said that it would happen in 2011, six | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
years after he said it would appear. This statement from Tony Blair is | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
amazing. He got the report on him in January and took until the summer. | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
He sat on it for six months, he said there was not a problem. A major | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
problem! Six months he sat on it. Has the problem not been with the | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
Maxwell eyes Asian process? The lawyers who were involved in the | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
original enquiry were not sat next to Tony Blair, lawyers have become | :21:56. | :22:05. | |
involved in this process. -- Maxwellisation. Chilcot should not | :22:06. | :22:13. | |
have allowed that. He knew of the criticisms. Actually, we are going | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
to go ahead anyway. He should not have got involved and before then he | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
got himself distracted by Downing Street with the crucial letters | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
between President Bush and Tony Blair and said we would publish them | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
anyway, any Downing Street wants to censor it, they can do it. He has | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
been dithering, and... John Chilcot? Yes. What he added with | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
debt? Absolutely. Let's look at the people on the panel. John Chilcot is | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
deeply embedded in the establishment. -- Wattie out of his | :22:51. | :23:03. | |
depth? -- was he. You had one person who was completely clueless, way out | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
of her depth. A very experienced person. She was very out of her | :23:10. | :23:17. | |
depth. The 1 person who made some sense was the former British | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
ambassador to Moscow. A low-grade panel. OK but you have always had | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
strong views on the Iraq war, you were opposed to it, you were against | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
it. Is there anything that changes your mind by doing this enquiry? | :23:36. | :23:42. | |
What was extraordinary, going into it, was the weight of the testimony | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
that Tony Blair represented to Parliament. I had a long | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
conversation with Hans Blix in which he said to me that it wasn't just | :23:52. | :24:01. | |
the notorious dossier of December 2002 but also in the famous last | :24:02. | :24:12. | |
speech of Tony Blair to Parliament, he misrepresented what Hans Blix had | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
found, and the weapons inspectors. I then had a conversation with Sir | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
Stephen Wall, the Prime Minister's European private secretary, in which | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
he witnessed Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell telling lies to the Sun | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
newspaper. That was in order to set up President Chirac. What is | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
interesting is how the weight of testimony was knowingly misled by | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
the British Prime Minister of the day, and also that the testimony -- | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
that the testimony of the war is illegal. All advisers advised that | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
the war was illegal. I said at the end of my long conversation with | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
Hans Blix, can I just summarise what you said to me? You are saying that | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
the Prime Minister misrepresented the facts about the war to the | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
British people in order to sell an illegal war. Yes, I am a diplomat, I | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
do not use such language but essentially what you are saying is | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
true. But he is not a lawyer. He is very experienced. 27 Foreign Office | :25:21. | :25:33. | |
lawyers... Yes, but... Yes, at 27 -- all 27 Foreign Office lawyers... | :25:34. | :25:42. | |
That is very interesting but opinion is so polarised on the subject of | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
Chilcot, I would suggest that both sides will be trying to reinforce | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
what they already think. It is not the first time a report like this | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
has taken a long time. It is frustrating. For the families it | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
needs to happen quickly. At least we now have a date and it will happen | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
in the summer. Before this, it could have been 2017 but at least it is | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
next year. It is the families who need to know but also everybody | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
needs to learn the lessons. When we debated intervening in Syria when | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
Parliament was recalled, all the debate was about going back to | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
lessons learned in Iraq. If we had the Chilcot report, we would have | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
been better position. We need it now. The lessons needs to be learned | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
quickly. OK. 8pm, BBC Radio four, tonight. | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
Now, just over an hour ago China announced that it was to end | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
Women will now be able to have two children. | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
The decision was all part of China's next Five Year Plan, | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
the country's 13th, and it looks a little different. | :26:52. | :27:07. | |
Hey, have you heard what is going on in China? | :27:08. | :28:12. | |
There you go, the Chinese propaganda department really watching too much | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
Sesame Street the state! Write-down to American accent! -- these days. | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
With us now is the Diane Wei Liang, who's an author and commentator | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
The 1 child policy now being scrapped, that is because China now | :28:26. | :28:35. | |
has a demographic problem, it is running out of people. Not exactly | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
running out of people. It is running out of young people, and China has | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
an inverted pyramid which means you have grandparents and parents who | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
are now living longer and longer but with fewer young people to support | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
them. Exactly. And the endless supplies of Labour has been drying | :28:56. | :29:05. | |
up? Yes. The costs are high now. That is not only part of | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
demographics but the Labour costs have risen. This touchy-feely, nice | :29:13. | :29:21. | |
cartoon that we saw, is part of that not to hide the fact that the real | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
go-go years, of 10% plus growth, they are over now? China will grow | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
strongly as you expect a developing economy to do that no double-digit | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
growth any more. With China's current economic size, you would not | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
expect to grow to double digits. It is a new phase, about 7%. At that | :29:47. | :29:55. | |
growth, we are looking at doubling output in ten years, and there is | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
still a massive output economically at 7%. Today's growth equals 14% in | :30:02. | :30:08. | |
2011, said China is growing very fast. The calculation is I have seen | :30:09. | :30:16. | |
have suggested the growth rate is between four and 5% but the real | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
significance of this five-year plan is that it marks the move of China | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
from being a manufacturing lead smokestack industry economy to a | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
more and more service consumer led economy. | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
That's right and while manufacturing had been flowing and the service | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
injury growing, it was 18% last year, now service industry counts | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
for half of China's GDP. A bigger share of GDP than manufacturing now? | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
It is moving that direction. This new five-year plan in itself is also | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
slightly different. Not only in the way that you see, you know, the | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
little commercial here, it is very Xi. And President Xi is sort of rock | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
'n' roll President in China, believe it or not, he might not appear so | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
when he visited the Queen last week but this plan is a little different | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
from the last one, in that the economic element of it is going to | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
be only 10%. 90% of the plan is going to focus on social reforms, | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
political reforms, environmental issues. And that, again, brings in | :31:29. | :31:35. | |
the One Child Policy, part of the social reform that will be pushed | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
through in this plan. He is not a Liberal is he? He has been tougher | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
since he became President. There has been a tougher crackdown on human | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
rights' issues and dissidents under him than his predecessor? There are | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
two points - Xi is a politically strong man. He is he has incredible | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
power, because of his background and also because of his political | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
astuteness and also he is pro business. He is anti-corruption | :32:06. | :32:14. | |
which has touched on lots of high level politicians, CEOs of | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
state-owned introprizes. By in large it is all private sectors which | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
accounts for 80% of China's output so he is doing this, in one way to | :32:24. | :32:29. | |
clean up the party. Let's remember the Chairman of state-owned | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
introprizes, they are all party members. -- enterprises. At the same | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
time he is trying to drive the business side. If China is moving to | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
more of a consumer-driven, service economy, less of an export-led | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
manufacturing economy, who are the winners and losers? I would suggest | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
the emerging market commodity producers are losers because China | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
won't need as many commodities, they are in trouble. Germany is in a bit | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
of trouble because they are the big exporters of manufactured products | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
and there is a huge opportunity for Britain, because we are world | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
leaders in services and China will need more services? That's | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
absolutely true. When you saw the steel plans, closing in the UK and | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
-- the steel plants closing in the UK and it was the commodity, the | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
demand, re-Will for reduction and steel plants are closing in China | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
but the UK is in the perfect foegs trade with China for the next 20 | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
years and that's what China is interested N -- perfect position to | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
trade with China. And what last week was about. Here is the big change. | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
When Mr Cameron became leader of the Tory Party and leader, he talked | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
about the big relationship Britain was going to have with India. That | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
is not happening. The big relationship is with China and how | :33:48. | :33:56. | |
Mr Mhrodi will be treated will be a few carpets left than the Chineseth | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
President. Our Prime Minister sees the future much more with China an | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
India. I don't see that. When we saw the plan, it reminded me of India | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
which has five-year plans, the hangover frot socialist days. But | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
India is exactly the opposite where China is concerned. India's | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
population is increasing. I have always thought the One Child Policy | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
has been, in my view not the right policy, it is inhumane, cause the | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
problems, and it is not right. I'm pleased it it is done away with but | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
in India it'll take over by 2005-30. India has a consumer-driven growth. | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
Independentia, the opposite of China, targeting 25% of the GDPs to | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
be manufacturing and wants to grow manufacturing. I think there is a | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
huge opportunity for Britain with China and India. All I can tell you | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
is dealing with the Foreign Office, all they want to talk about is | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
China. . After Mr Mhodi's visit, that will change. | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
The Office for National Statistics have this morning released new | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
They show Britain to be both growing and ageing. | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
On current trends we are expected to overtake France and become | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
the second largest country in Europe by 2030 and become the largest | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
This is on present trends. That will overtake Germany. | :35:15. | :35:29. | |
The UK's population is projected to increase | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
by 9.7 million over the next 25 years, reaching 70 million by 2027 | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
The population of England is projected to increase | :35:36. | :35:47. | |
The vast majority of the increase. #12k3w4r that's less than ten years | :35:48. | :36:00. | |
away. -- that's less than ten years away and will increase by | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
The populations of the other UK countries will grow at | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
51% of the population rise over the next 25 years is expected to be | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
The population is also projected to continue ageing | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
That doesn't seem a will the but means a big difference. | :36:19. | :36:30. | |
And by that time, more than 1 in 12 of the population | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
By 2039 there are projected to be 370 people of pensionable age per | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
1,000 people of working age - up from from 310 in 2014. | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
You see the trend. Growing population but also more pensioners | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
as a percentage of the overall population. With us now, we have a | :36:51. | :37:00. | |
journalist from the Guardian and an Conservative MP. . We have an | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
growing segment of the population. And there are other statistics out | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
in the last 24 hours showing how incomes are rising. We need to in | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
some way pay for all of that. If we didn't have younger people coming | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
into the population then those figures would be completely skewed | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
in another way. Would they be worse in a sense? They would be worse. A | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
higher percentage of pensionable age. Exactly. Good thing? With | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
population comes power, if you handle it right. We will be the | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
biggest country by population in Europe, by the middle of the | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
searching tri? ? This is a very good sign for the future of our country. | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
--. Search tri. I I gree with that point. We are in a strong position | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
and the growing population means we are bringing in more young people, | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
which helps to balance the age of our population which is a good | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
thing. Do you have any concerns and many were expressed to me this | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
morning on Twitter. Let me put it like this - it is all because of | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
immigration. It is not all because of immigration. I understand that | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
but I'm acting as a reporter here. Is this something we should be | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
concerned about, or is it a plus? Well, the question is whether people | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
in this country feel in control of what is happening. And if | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
politicians are promising things like cutting net migration from | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
hundreds of thousands of to tens of thousands which sounds like a 90% | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
cut but at the time the promise was made it would only be a 50% cut and | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
then they failed to achieve that and promised the again, thisp isn't | :38:37. | :38:43. | |
going to make people feel confident in politicians' promises. It isn't | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
always the case. There are many things driving it but there is free | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
movement in the European Union. Whether people like it or not it is | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
now inevitable that the face of this country is going to change. Is | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
rising populations are going to be disproportionately from recent | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
arrivals, from new arrivals, from first, second, third generation, | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
sons and daughters of first, second, third generation, | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
going to be, they are the growing bit of our population? Really | :39:15. | :39:16. | |
going to be, they are the growing moment, the problem is we are not | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
catering for non-retired people, if you want, very well at all. We | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
already know about housing. I mean we have had dozens and dozens of | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
people talk about housing this year I'm sure with you and how much it is | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
an issue. And we have issues with childcare and schooling. We haven't | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
built enough schools. We are not catering for the growing segment of | :39:37. | :39:38. | |
our population. any nacsent economic benefits almost | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
from the very any nacsent economic benefits almost | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
issue. Isn't that an issue which any nacsent economic benefits almost | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
politicians on both sides of the House have let us down, and | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
politicians on both sides of the step up to the crease on, that | :39:55. | :39:55. | |
people can welcome a step up to the crease on, that | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
population, but it means step up to the crease on, that | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
more schools, we need more step up to the crease on, that | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
homes above all - step up to the crease on, that | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
that, have failed news that step up to the crease on, that | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
Failed is a bienry thing. I think there has been some failure. . I | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
think we need to do much better. It needs more investment. As a | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
think we need to do much better. It class. We have to do better. But the | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
Government is pushing the homes class. We have to do better. But the | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
issue now more strongly. What is remarkable under a Conservative | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
Government, you would have thought, horrors of horrors, the level of | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
housing ownership has gone down. Which usually defines a Tory voter. | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
It has gone down from 69% of the population to 64% of the population | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
owning their own homes, it is terrible. There has been | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
owning their own homes, it is in buy-to-let. Should Britain | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
rejoice that its population is growing so quickly? I mean many | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
people - you are too young - but in the '60s and '70, the | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
people - you are too young - but in this nation was of decline. Senior | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
civil servants would talk about the nature of decline, people were | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
queueing to leave. The orderly nature of decline. One used | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
civilised to me. It is a huge change. It is a change, if you look | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
at it positively it is xenlt. What is challenging is the be Bernard's | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
point, the Government setting ridiculous targets for migration. We | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
are three times of it. We need an immigration policy where we are | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
encouraging the skilled people this country needs to support the ageing | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
population. For example, the Indian restaurant industry, the curry | :41:49. | :41:50. | |
restaurant, they cannot bring in the chefs. The tech any, there has been | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
a list signed by the Who's Who saying - please allow us to bring | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
in. I thought you were allowed to bring them in. They are having | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
trouble. It is very discriminatory. With students and academics, 30% of | :42:05. | :42:12. | |
our academicsing are foreign. Theresa May's attitude towards | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
international students have shocking, she wants them to leave | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
the day after they graduate. Where does she say that? Because we are in | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
the European Union we have a discriminatory policy. We let in | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
anybody from within the European Union, even shob has just bought an | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
eastern European passport, even if they are a national of other country | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
they have all the rights of an etch U citizen and we have Draconian | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
controls against people and countries outside the European | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
Union, even if we want their skills. Except that immigration from non-EU | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
countries is also way above 100,000. That's true. With you Bo with you we | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
keep including international students within the immigration | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
figures, which is ridiculous. We have a fairer and more humane | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
immigration policy if we had uniform control over who decides. We need to | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
take back that control. We will be returning to this, to Europe, that | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
is, and to our population. Thank you to both of you coming N | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
Now if you like a good chicken tika masala and a pint, | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
chances are you've tasted the tipple our Guest of the Day invented. | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
Karan Bilimoria founded Cobra beer in 1989. | :43:22. | :43:23. | |
An aspiring entrepreneur, he saw the need for a beer that was less gassy | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
Cobra claims to be as refreshing as the former, | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
And now, the company supplies over 98% of the UK's Indian | :43:31. | :43:41. | |
That's called a monopoly. Get the commission on to him | :43:42. | :43:49. | |
Other beers, I'd like to point out, are available. | :43:50. | :43:51. | |
Our Ellie went to speak to our Guest of the Day in his office. | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
By day, he runs a successful beer company, | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
There is one word that sums up a entrepreneur. | :44:01. | :44:08. | |
You have to have the guts to do it in the first place | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
but also the guts to stay with it when others would give up. | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
I nearly lost my business three times over the | :44:18. | :44:19. | |
years and each time, getting through those crises was a challenge and | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
bouncing back from them and learning from them and continuing to grow. | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
Karan Bilimoria was born in Hyderabad in the '60s. | :44:28. | :44:29. | |
He went to university there at the ender age of 16. | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
He then came over to London to train as an accountant, before graduating | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
It was there he first came up with the idea of Cobra beer. | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
Britain was the sick man of Europe, when entrepreneurship was looked | :44:42. | :44:52. | |
down upon and conjured up images of Delboy second-hand car salesmen. | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
Entrepreneurship now in this country is celebrated. | :44:56. | :44:57. | |
There is huge support for entrepreneurs. | :44:58. | :44:58. | |
There are huge networks of entrepreneurs. | :44:59. | :45:00. | |
There is finance available that I didn't have, | :45:01. | :45:01. | |
There is the internet which didn't exist 25 years ago | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
In many ways, there is no better time to be | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
The England I came to three decades ago, compared to the UK today, | :45:11. | :45:18. | |
this is a country that has improved in leaps | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
Karan Bilimoria, CBE, became Lord Bilimoria in 2006. | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
In Britain we have a lot going for us. | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
We are less than 1% of the world's population but have the | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
And he has strong opinions on how the place he now calls home, | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
We have an immigration policy over the last | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
five years, under a Home Secretary, Theresa May, that I think is | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
damaging our economy, damaging our universities and I say this openly. | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
I find Theresa May's immigration policies economically illiterate. | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
Away from showing his strength in the Lords, he has branched out | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
in the world of tech and launched a new picture-sharing app. | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
A new challenge for someone who likes to win stuff. | :46:13. | :46:21. | |
And we're joined now by another British entrepreneur, Charlie | :46:22. | :46:23. | |
Mullins, who founded Pimlico Plumbers. | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
Is it a good country to do business? Undoubtably, absolutely brilliant. | :46:27. | :46:35. | |
Things are going from stronger to stronger, and the stronger the | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
economy is becoming. Better in your view? Undoubtably. What has changed? | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
The Tories getting youngsters into work. Was it not good doing business | :46:48. | :46:54. | |
under the last Labour government until the great crash? We nearly | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
went bust or we did go bust! That was more to do with sub-prime | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
mortgages in America. It was under Labour's watch. They just happened | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
to be in power. You telling me that there would not have been a crash if | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
the Tories were in power? The death as it may not have been as big but | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
we are onto a winner. Do you agree? Asked macro deficit. The Labour | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
government and publishing government have been pro-enterprise. The | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
networks and finances that exist, the support that exists, | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
entrepreneurialism is great now. Does that mean it is easier than | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
when you started out? When you started out, given the atmosphere | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
and hurdles in your way, you needed gut. Maybe not so much now? If there | :47:47. | :47:53. | |
is one word that defines being an entrepreneur, it it is guts. The | :47:54. | :48:02. | |
guts, you always need them, it is always going to be against all odds. | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
What is greatest technology, communications, travel. You can | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
start and think global from day one. We are thinking global immediately. | :48:12. | :48:19. | |
It may be a good place to do business for businessmen like | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
yourself that is it not a place where there is a low-wage economy? | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
Yes, I agree, I think we should increase wages. What is stopping | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
you? We are paying more than you do, Andrew! That is not a high | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
benchmark! What is the average salary of one of these people who | :48:43. | :48:53. | |
works in your van birthmark plumber? -- 150 grams is the top end, | :48:54. | :49:01. | |
anything from 80 grand. -- 150 grand. I have an apprenticeship? -- | :49:02. | :49:19. | |
can I. I mean, I am not against what we are saying about students staying | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
or going, the most important thing is getting them into work and making | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
them pay tax. Did you advertise for French plumbers? ?125,000? Yes. Did | :49:30. | :49:37. | |
you run out of Polish plumbers? They are building London at the moment! | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
We would not have an Olympics without them! The salaries are | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
amazing but they are not the average. The latest figures suggest | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
this may be a good country to do business but there are many people, | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
particularly outside of London, on low wages. That is what the tax | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
credit argument is all about, they are not paid enough to bring up | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
families, they needs to be supplemented by tax. Although we are | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
doing well as an economy and encouraging entrepreneurism, or we | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
are lagging on productivity. The governments over the year not | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
invested enough in education and skills. -- years. The amount we | :50:21. | :50:27. | |
spend on a proportion of GDP is half that of America's. Research and | :50:28. | :50:34. | |
development and innovation, we invest very low compared to the EU. | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
South Korea spends double of what we do on this. We have to do this. That | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
will increase productivity and the wages and makers more popular. -- | :50:44. | :50:52. | |
make us. We should be investing more on apprenticeships. Anyhow, you are | :50:53. | :51:01. | |
doing a great job. Oh, you're speaking to him! Thank you. | :51:02. | :51:08. | |
Now, doesn't time fly when you're having fun? | :51:09. | :51:10. | |
The nights are already drawing in, Halloween's just a couple | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
Bonfire night's next week, and there's just 56 days till Christmas. | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
Westminster Dog of the Year has come around AGAIN. | :51:17. | :51:25. | |
Never one to miss a beauty contest, our Giles checked out the runners | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
# Walking the dog. # Guests who is walking the dog? | :51:31. | :51:53. | |
# There comes a time in the Parliamentary year when they put | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
aside tax credit cuts, renewal of Trident is shelved, and | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
representatives of the mother of all parliaments get moments to say, oh, | :52:01. | :52:11. | |
look at that lovely dog! Can I just point out the serious bit? The hosts | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
do this event to celebrate not just all things dog but to promote | :52:18. | :52:26. | |
re-homing and rescuing. He lives on the outskirts of my constituency and | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
comes from a shelter and she is the office dog. She has | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
comes from a shelter and she is the personality which. You need | :52:33. | :52:41. | |
canning, and fashion plays a part. From Tweed to Willie jumpers. This | :52:42. | :52:50. | |
year came Carla. She has done a tour of Afghanistan, she searches for | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
explosives, she can find the parts to trigger explosives, and she is an | :52:56. | :53:05. | |
amazing animal. Her handlers are here today. It takes 16 | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
amazing animal. Her handlers are train a dog out, and we are | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
showcasing the work they do. Admirable stuff from the dog, but | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
MPs will go to great lengths to take a lead and lick the opposition. It | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
seems doggy lobbying is a bone of contention. The do not | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
seems doggy lobbying is a bone of e-mail? It is a democracy and we | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
drew attention, and it is amazing the other entrants that followed in | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
drew attention, and it is amazing my wake. Does this kind of thing | :53:31. | :53:31. | |
work, this lobbying? No! All that my wake. Does this kind of thing | :53:32. | :53:41. | |
before someone has made a complete dog's breakfast of the press photo. | :53:42. | :53:50. | |
Once more, just like that! Honestly, it is much | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
Once more, just like that! Honestly, MDs! Dogs like to chase and shoot | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
balls so perhaps it is apt that the new winner belongs to the MP for | :54:01. | :54:13. | |
Morley. She has a very special way of celebrating victory. DOG SINGS. | :54:14. | :54:48. | |
I'm joined now by the Conservative Mps Hugo Swire and Andrea Jenkyns, | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
with their dogs - Rocco, Lady and Godiva. | :54:52. | :54:53. | |
Godiva enjoys singing, it started years ago, and when I was teaching, | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
she joined in with me. Well, congratulations. You wonder the | :55:00. | :55:07. | |
online competition. Yes, the Democratic people's boat! -- vote. | :55:08. | :55:17. | |
It is not a financial instrument. But you can paint quite hard, didn't | :55:18. | :55:29. | |
you? -- campaigned. We were encouraged by the Can CLUB, we had | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
an online thing, and brought it to people's attention. There were 19 | :55:35. | :55:41. | |
entrants, 15 were Conservative entrants, the others were Labour. Do | :55:42. | :55:44. | |
Tories have more dogs or do they like showboating their dogs more? We | :55:45. | :55:52. | |
are a nation of animal lovers. Cross-party? Crossbreeding | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
cross-party? It is great fun, I had a look this morning, but there is a | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
serious side because it promotes the Can all Club to promote responsible | :56:05. | :56:15. | |
dog ownership because some dogs are still very badly treated. -- Kennel | :56:16. | :56:22. | |
Club. Are I am on the all Parliamentary group for animal | :56:23. | :56:31. | |
welfare. Now it is time to play... Here we go. Who is this and what is | :56:32. | :56:40. | |
the name of his pooch? It is George Bush, the first it is easy, but what | :56:41. | :56:51. | |
is the dog? Blair? ! No, it is Barney, the Spanish terrier. | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
President Putin said, you call that a dog? He has a Scottish terrier | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
called Miss Beazley. And this? That is Cherie Blair. That is the Downing | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
Street cat of the day called Humphrey. This is trickier. That is | :57:09. | :57:18. | |
Lloyd George. And the dog? The dog... It rhymes with rug. Pug! And | :57:19. | :57:33. | |
that is Gerald Ford, and what is the name of this dog? It is what | :57:34. | :57:41. | |
Americans like to think they always believe in. Land of the... Free. The | :57:42. | :57:53. | |
name of the dog is liberty. President Obama with a cute little | :57:54. | :58:01. | |
dog, what is that? At Oxford and Cambridge you do what? Row. It | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
rhymes with that. It is Bow. There's just time before we go to | :58:07. | :58:15. | |
find out the answer to our quiz. newspaper or magazine has Jeremy | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
Corbyn been pictured carrying? the Sun or Simply Knitting? So | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
what's the correct answer? It is the Sun newspaper. That is the | :58:22. | :58:37. | |
right answer! Anyway, congratulations to the dogs. The | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
news is on BBC One, and I will be here tonight on BBC One. | :58:43. | :58:47. | |
I'll be here joined by Alex Salmond, Margaret Hodge, Julia Hartley | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
Brewer, Michael Portillo, Melvyn Bragg, and Kevin Maguire tonight on | :58:51. | :58:55. |