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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
David Cameron sets out his EU renegotiation demands. | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
He says achieving them is not "mission impossible" and that he'll | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
campaign to stay in a reformed EU with all his heart and soul. | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
The Government's Trade Union Bill - which tightens up strike rules - | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
The leader of the RMT union joins us live. | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
The start of Sunday trading in the '90s. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
George Osborne wants to see more of it, but his plans for further | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
relaxation could be in jeopardy, as the SNP decides it will join | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Tory rebels to vote against the plan. | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
And as Finland adopts official national emojis - | :01:16. | :01:16. | |
including people in a sauna - to promote the country | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
on social media, should the UK do the same? | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
And if so, what images should we use? | :01:23. | :01:32. | |
All that in the next hour and with us for the whole | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
of the programme today Gordon Brown's former trade minister - | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
and a former head of the CBI - Digby Jones. | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
First, let's just take a look at another story around this morning, | :01:43. | :01:55. | |
that the head of the NHS in England, Simon Stevens, has apparently | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
warned George Osborne that he's in danger of breaking his pledge | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
According to the Times, Mr Stevens has told the Chancellor he needs to | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
stump up more cash for the NHS to make up for cuts to social care | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
Should George Osborne find that money? In the short term there will | :02:10. | :02:22. | |
be bankruptcy in the next two years. No politician in any party can | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
afford to have that on their watch. Should he telescope it forward so | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
over the parliament it is the same spend, but he brings it in now, I do | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
not think he will have a choice. The problem is it is hypocrisy from | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
everybody who always talk about how a bit more money will fix this and | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
the moment anybody talks about reform, anybody left of centre says | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
you want to privatise it. Whoever said that? All they say is it cannot | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
go on like this. There was a little girl born this morning at Saint | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
Thomas's over the river and she has got one in three chance being alive | :03:04. | :03:11. | |
in 100 years from today. If it is a boy it is one in four. You cannot | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
have a system that was created in a different world that the different | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
demographic, with different health care and different issues, and saved | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
through political ideology it will be OK if you give it more money. It | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
will not. You agree that we have to look at a different way of doing it | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
and it cannot be a purely taxpayer funded service? On Question Time, | :03:36. | :03:44. | |
people say tax the bankers, you could do that, but it will not be | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
sorted. It is an enormous shift in what is expected for how many people | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
in a competitive. Environment It cannot go on like this. Should he | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
fix it urgently now to get him over a hump? He has not got a choice, but | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
it does not fix the issue. One issue is about how we fund the NHS in the | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
long term and there are cuts to other departmental spending on | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
social care and public health campaigns to cut down on anything | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
from obesity and healthy eating which make the NHS's job more | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
difficult. It is a mix. If you are going to fix it, you have to fund it | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
differently. Secondly, prevention is better than cure. Get people | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
thinking more on health care, get a lot of public education out there. | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
The problem for the public sector and number 11 looking at the issue, | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
if you keep saying I will ring fence this and that and the cost of that | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
goes up, and you ring fenced it, everything else has to, by | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
definition, because you have only got a port of 100%... Hence the | :04:58. | :05:07. | |
After Xi Jinping's state visit to the UK last month, sales of what | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
At the end of the show Digby will give us the correct answer. | :05:15. | :05:29. | |
Oakbank you. You are welcome, we aim to please. | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
So the letter outlining the Prime Minister's demands | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
for reform of the European Union has arrived in Brussels. | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
David Cameron wants the plans discussed at a big summit in | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
December, but whether he's able to reach an agreement before holding | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
Mr Cameron will say the mission is big, but not impossible, | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
First up, he wants to boost Europe's economic competitiveness, | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
open up the single market and secure international trade deals. | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
Next up, the PM wants to exempt the UK from the concept | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
of ever closer union, have no more powers transferred to Brussels and | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
give national parliaments a bigger say. | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
Then David Cameron wants those countries like the UK who | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
don't use the euro to be protected from eurozone countries acting as | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
Finally the big one, which many believe will be | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
impossible, restricting EU immigrants access to benefits, | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
For many European nations this is a step to far, however with | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
the government publishing figures showing 43% of EU migrants receive | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
benefits in the UK, it's a seen in London as a crucial issue. | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
Earlier this morning David Cameron gave a speech outlining his plans, | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
afterwards he was asked about the timescale of the negotiations. | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
I have, since the election, been patiently meeting with European | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
But as well as patient, as well as wanting to get on with it, | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
Europe has got a lot on its agenda at the moment, not least the Syrian | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
crisis and all the ramifications that has, but I hope we can make | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
I have done everything possible to try and make that happen. | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
We don't have to hold our referendum until the end of | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
2017, but I am keen to secure these changes to get on with it and I will | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
Just on referendum timing to put the press out of their agony, I can | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
The first you will hear about the timing of the referendum is after I | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
Anything you write before then, you can write what you like, it might be | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
true, it might not be true, but the only time you will know is when | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
Let's talk now to our political correspondent Eleanor | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
Many critics of the Prime Minister, and Eurosceptics within the | :07:54. | :08:07. | |
Conservative Party, will say this is a figleaf from David Cameron | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
disguising the fact he cannot really negotiate anything substantial. Yes, | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
some are saying it will be easy for David Cameron to achieve all these | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
demands because they say it is a trivia list of demands that will be | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
easy to achieve. Some, whatever David Cameron once, for some it will | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
never be enough. There are some Eurosceptics he will never be able | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
to please. The criticisms are that in David Cameron's demands there is | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
no emergency brake, no cap on the number of EU migrants that can come | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
here, no opt out on specific policies the UK could opt out. Some | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
are saying it will be very easy for David Cameron. He himself is saying | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
it is a big, but not impossible task. He is going to approach the EU | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
referendum is the biggest question we will ever face at the ballot box | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
in our lifetimes. He is going to face it practically, not | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
emotionally, and he will be using his head and not his heart. After | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
the emotion of some of this or not, what about restricting EU migrants | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
access to in work benefits here in the UK. Is that the critical one for | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
most people? That is absolutely the critical one, but it is also the | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
great unknown. Will those demands to restrict migrant benefits make a | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
difference? David Cameron is making this the central plank of his | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
re-negotiation argument. The stakes are high on this and he is putting a | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
lot of eggs in this basket. Some are saying it will not make a | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
difference, it is not good enough and others are saying it is | :09:53. | :10:06. | |
important and it will be difficult for him to sell across the European | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
Union to those leaders from countries like Poland. They say it | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
discriminates against their own citizens. You could have a Polish | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
worker and a UK worker doing the same job in Britain side-by-side but | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
being paid a different amount because one would be able to get in | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
work benefits and the other would not be able to. David Cameron has | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
used a figure today and he says around 40% of EU migrants get | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
benefits and two thirds of them are getting in work benefits. | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
Interestingly, that figure has come from Downing Street and not the | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Treasury and not the Department of Work and Pensions and it is a figure | :10:41. | :10:53. | |
we have been unable to clarify. We are trying to work out how they have | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
calculated it, but we have not had any luck. Experts are also | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
struggling. It is clear this will be the most politically divisive idea | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
and it will be the hardest to sell across the European Union. The | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
president of the European Parliament, Martin Schultz, has put | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
out a response saying he has strong doubts about the legality of a | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
four-year ban on access to benefits. He said he would wait to see what | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
specific ideas the British Government would come up with. The | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
stakes are high on this one and David Cameron is putting a lot of | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
We've been joined by the former Conservative MP Laura Sandys, | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
who chairs the European Movement, | :11:32. | :11:32. | |
and by Ukip's trade spokesman William Dartmouth. | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
Laura, even if the Prime Minister reaches agreement on all of these | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
issues, will anything have substantially changed with our | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
relationship with the EU? It will have, but it would not be just for | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
us. Some of these reforms are about changing other countries' | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
relationships with the EU as well. Some are specifically about the UK, | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
but others, on the democracy site and allowing greater power for | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
Parliament, will be for everybody in Europe. What will be so different | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
that I will be able to immediately tell, for example the protection of | :12:14. | :12:25. | |
the single market? Those things are not tangible in terms of a great | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
change in our relationship to the EU. They do not look fantastic on a | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
leaflet going through our door, the retail offer as such. But they are | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
important in shaping Europe so that it is a more inch in with our | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
political settlement and how we see the world going forward. We have got | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
Denmark and a huge amount of payment interests and the Dutch and the | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
polls and many of the Baltic states. Do you think it will be enough, if | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
not to satisfy you and your colleagues, but to satisfy more of | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
the British public? No, this negotiation is trivial. What he is | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
asking for does not amount to anything. This negotiation is a sure | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
ride which demeans the office of Prime Minister. I have to agree to | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
disagree with your colleague. Fiddling about with benefits is a | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
very little idea and it shows the paucity of the Prime Minister's | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
demands that he considers that fiddling about with the benefits can | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
be described as the little one. You are either in the political European | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
Union or not. A serious negotiation would ask for an end to borders and | :13:42. | :13:50. | |
repatriated. It was party policy before David Cameron became leader. | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
What do you say to that? For many of your conservative colleagues in | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
Parliament they will feel the same. There are people who whatever the | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
Prime Minister was either asking or getting would find it not enough. In | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
many ways this has been set up by those people who want out whatever. | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
It is not a problem. We are moving forward and every organisation | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
should be going through a reform programme. We should be demanding | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
the best in the institutions we sit at the top table with. We have got a | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
clear set of questions to ask the European Union and I hope we get | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
quite a lot of what we want. Listening to both you and Laura, who | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
is right? Is this shopping list meaningless? Or is it important in | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
the broader sense of changing the whole direction? It depends on the | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
Jewry that would judge the word trivial and reform. If this is a | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
party political exercise where you have the leader of the Conservative | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
Party trying to sort out his backbench, it is not trivial. How | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
does it look to you? The problem is I stand for business and we have got | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
the European Union that is marching forward by the day. You have got | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
India wanting your lunch and China wanting your dinner, you have got a | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
global competitive environment. You have got 520 million people living | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
in peace for the first time. You have got a democratic, capitalist | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
home for people who came out of the yoke of communism, a fabulous | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
achievement, and yet you have got economies inside the European Union | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
who think they can build a sustainable, competitive, global | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
economy by inputting BMWs and exporting a common farming policy. | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
If there was no reform whatsoever, I believe Europe is not fit for | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
purpose, for the United Kingdom and for medium and small business, but I | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
would vote to stay in a reformed Europe. A reformed Europe is not on | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
offer. Can I just ask, for business, we are | :16:05. | :16:14. | |
just about to finalise the digital single market. The service and | :16:15. | :16:22. | |
single market, totally to the UK. You guys always go polemic. You all | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
about either yes! No! Can't you understand, the average | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
businesswoman or businessmen in Britain actually looks at this | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
holistically and they look at this in competitive terms. There are some | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
great stuff going on. Can I just say that John Cridland, the head of the | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
CBI is all in and he thinks he represents the voice of business | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
people as well. You never bought a house by offering the vendors are | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
whole asking price on day one. The CBI have been engineered into that | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
is where they are. They need to take a deep breath, go back to their | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
roots and go back to when the democratically elected Prime | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
Minister of the country will come back to the people, he will tell you | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
what it is. Those who wish to leave the EU will often cite Norway as an | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
example to follow. But people do cite it. Maybe not you, but people | :17:25. | :17:32. | |
do. Do you accept that even from Norway's perspective, certainly at | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
an official level, the Foreign Minister wrote that Britain should | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
not choose his country as an example as they still have to accept freedom | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
of movement and accept directives from Brussels. This idea of being | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
outside the EU but still in the broader economic area, you would | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
still be subject to those restrictions. We do not put forward | :17:51. | :18:02. | |
the blueprint of either Norway or Switzerland or for that matter | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
Iceland. We are the fifth largest economy in the world and providing | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
we don't have politicians like David Cameron who sells the past before it | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
is begun, we would be able to negotiate a much better arrangement. | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
Can I answer your second question? The fact is, in the European Union, | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
we have 8.24% of the votes that the Council of ministers. If Turkey gets | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
what the Labour Party wants, it will be fewer. We have less than 10% of | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
MPs, we have one out of 28 commissioners. Also, in the councils | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
of the world, particularly in trade, our voice is muted as one out of 28. | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
The short answer to your question is, both Norway and Switzerland have | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
better arrangement than we did but we can do better than either of | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
them. What is extraordinary is the idea we are pushed around by the | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
dastardly foreigners when we are in the EU and the day we come out of | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
the EU, we are so strong, so powerful, have so much leveraged | :19:07. | :19:08. | |
that we will be able to get this phenomenal deal. One or the other. | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
First of all on day one we could reactivate our seat at the World | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
Trade Organisation. We no longer have to... One thing, on that, what | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
does make you think, and you're so convinced that Brussels would | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
negotiate for us such a great deal. Why would they, if we had pulled | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
out, which they don't want us to do. I would like to point out that the | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
three biggest exploits exporters to the UK do not have a trade deal. It | :19:49. | :19:58. | |
is not absolutely necessary. In practice, because we run a very | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
large deficit, it is about ?687 billion since we joined, trade deal | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
is not necessarily but it is absolutely inevitable because it is | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
in the economic interests of Brussels for there to be one. Let me | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
briefly move on to the issue of accessing in work benefits. You said | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
that as trivial. Is that important in your mind? Is in work benefits | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
could be limited to the four years? Reform should go further than this. | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
One of the companies I chair, we cannot get enough engineers. We have | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
job offers out to Indian university graduates, who cannot get a visa, | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
because the government wants to cut down on immigration. And yet we have | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
people from Eastern Europe who are sitting at our factory gates saying | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
give us a job. As they write. Yes, but the point is, if we are looking | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
at this as global competitiveness for the European Union, we should be | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
saying to those people who have no skill in Europe, I'm not going to | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
give you money to subsidise you for growing crops, | :21:07. | :21:07. | |
give you money to subsidise you for money to skill you up and then you | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
are fro welcome to come money to skill you up and then you | :21:11. | :21:11. | |
At the moment, you are not fit money to skill you up and then you | :21:12. | :21:21. | |
purpose. Is it achievable? It is not achievable under the | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
purpose. Is it achievable? It is not principal of European Union. It is a | :21:27. | :21:28. | |
cornerstone. It would be principal of European Union. It is a | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
discriminatory. Is David Cameron to get four years or | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
would he have to impose the same restrictions on British citizens? I | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
think those negotiations will restrictions on British citizens? I | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
to be had. The polls do not want a lot of those very talented skilled | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
people to come to the UK. We have to be clear about the migration issue | :21:51. | :21:51. | |
and that is Brexit will not be clear about the migration issue | :21:52. | :22:05. | |
barriers up. ... All you do is put a condition of immigration on skill | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
rather than nationality. Lord condition of immigration on skill | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
Jones made an important point condition of immigration on skill | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
is this, because we have opened doors to 450 million people | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
is this, because we have opened member states of the European Union, | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
it means the whole weight of immigration control. People from | :22:24. | :22:24. | |
outside the EU. For immigration control. People from | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
engineering graduates can either not get here or get hit with great | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
difficulty and that is a key point. In fact, that is why our slogan is | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
out of the EU and into In fact, that is why our slogan is | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
will have to end it there. Thank you. | :22:41. | :22:41. | |
Before Parliament takes a few day off for recess, MPs have a last | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
chance to debate the contentious Trade Union Bill today, as the | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
government legislation goes through report stage and third reading. | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
The Business Secretary Sajid Javid has said the Bill is necessary | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
to stop "endless" threats of industrial action. | :22:53. | :22:54. | |
But trade unions, civil liberties groups and even some council leaders | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
are against the measures - which include imposing a minimum | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
50% turnout in strike ballots and allowing employers to use agency | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
Labour is staunchly opposed - as Jeremy Corbyn made clear | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
when he addressed the TUC conference in September. | :23:12. | :23:20. | |
They are declaring war on organised Labour in this country ever since | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
they won the general election, albeit with 24% of the electorate. | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
We have to oppose it and recognise what they are doing. The burdens | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
they are placing, as one Tory MP admitted, are actually the strategy | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
which was used by General Franco in Spain on his control of the trade | :23:41. | :23:47. | |
unions in Spain. Trade unions are an essential and valuable part of | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
modern Britain. 6 million people voluntarily join trade unions and I | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
am proud to be a trade unionist. That is why we will fight this bill | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
all the way. We've been joined by Mick Cash, | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
the general secretary of and by the Conservative MP | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
Nadhim Zahawi. Aside from a few concessions, it | :24:04. | :24:11. | |
looks like these proposals are going through. You have lost the battle? | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
Not really. Yesterday we saw an announcement from George Osborne to | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
cut 30% from government spending and what we are trying to do is take | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
trade unions out. We are not going to stop here. We will continue | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
fighting. How will that fight manifested itself? I wouldn't rule | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
nothing out or rule nothing in. We are all working people, seeking to | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
defend jobs, security, safety and pensions and will become | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
increasingly angry at what the government is trying to do to | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
restrict their fundamental right to strike. Even David Davis your | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
colleague has called this bill over the top. He compared it to something | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
from General Franco's regime, oppressive? I don't agree with that. | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
Over the last ten Tube strikes, half of those would not have met the | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
threshold. Let me give you a quick example. This will hurt part-time | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
workers, shift workers, people on lower pay who would lose hold a's | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
work if Nick and his union, they have every right, but what we are | :25:13. | :25:20. | |
saying is, let's make this fair. If you reach the threshold, if you can | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
convince enough of your members to vote for strikes, not 11% or 10% at | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
times, where you actually disrupt the workforce, that is unfair. I | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
think this is about fairness and getting the trade unionists to work | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
really well and fairly, not calling strikes randomly and hurting those | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
on low pay, hurting those in most need who will lose a whole day 's | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
work because they work shifts or work night. You are not the only | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
workers involved in this debate. There are people who cannot get to | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
work because of strike action. But I will not take a lecture from a | :25:59. | :26:07. | |
millionaire. Answer the point about fairness? Take the latest situation | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
around London Underground and the tube strike. Boris Johnson announced | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
the night Tube in November 2013. In March 2015 he decided to come and | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
talk to us as a trade union and save from September 20 15th we are going | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
to introduce night to be. He didn't give us any time to talk about what | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
the real implications were. Your mate Boris had to turn round and | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
withdraw the deadline because he got it wrong, completely and utterly | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
wrong. He is now actually saying we don't need it in immediately. He | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
forced our members to have to go to industrial action to try and get a | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
decent set of worklife balance is sorted out where we didn't have to | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
do that. So don't lecture me when you have got the Mayor of London... | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
You have every right to withdraw labour. All we are saying is it has | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
to be fair and that has to be a threshold. In areas where it really | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
does matter. That Goldsmith has asked for it to be upgraded. It | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
really should work. You are hurting the whole of London. We turn round | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
and your threshold, we turn round and get 50% which we did with | :27:20. | :27:28. | |
Network Rail dispute this year, ... At this moment in time we have | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
reached the threshold. Why then in those circumstances have got a | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
mandate of over 50% of workers voting for industrial action? IE | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
then turning around and saying we will get agency workers? That is a | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
different point. We have a situation where we have a mandate, you have a | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
mandate, you have been elected by people... And they have got a | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
mandate. But then to turn round and say we should ignore that | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
mandate... The average person watching this will think you should | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
go into politics because you don't question. You immediately move to | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
the fact that you think this is wrong, they think this is right. | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
What you didn't answer was a question that the average person | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
watching this would want to know, which is, if you got over the 50%, I | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
think most people here would say, have your strike and have the row. | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
What really annoys people is when a very small minority of people, use | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
-- you cause staggering disruption. That is the person you annoy, the | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
average Joe out there who cannot get to work and finds it unfair. What | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
Joe asked is answer the charge that is not fair. You said I am not going | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
to take lectures from millionaires. Who said that you should? Let me put | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
one of the points to Nadhim Zahawi, on the 50%, that is one issue. You | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
put that in the manifesto and to one extent you have a mandate for that, | :29:02. | :29:09. | |
but why all the other parts of the bill which Mick was referring to. | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
Why bring in agency staff, why have rules that they have to tweak their | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
details of strike action weeks in advance. That then tipped it over | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
the fairness barrier? You have got to allow business and the | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
infrastructure of our country to be able to manage, if they can, through | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
agency staff then they should be able to do that. All of that. It is | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
in depicting code. Well putting it in legislation so we actually make | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
it rock-solid to the point that Digby is making, so the average | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
viewer sees this as being fair. It is all in the picketing code. Mr | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
McCluskey is prepared to agree plans for a double threshold strike | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
providing the government allows online voting. Would you agree to | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
that compromise? At the end of the day we have to look at the whole | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
package. That has been a sticking point when I have interviewed other | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
colleagues. Online voting is the key. That deals with one issue but | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
it does not deal with the other stuff you mentioned which is all | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
about trying to stop and new trusts and stop of having the right to take | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
industrial action. With all due respect... | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
Which bit is stopping you? If you get the 50% turnout, you can go | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
ahead with your strike. What is written into the bill is the legal | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
wording. What you can put on the ballot paper, what notice you have | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
to give. That is all in the picketing code. You know this. It | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
has allowed lawyers to turn round and in Judd the trade unions once | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
you have got a mandate. If you turn around and say we just won the 50% | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
stuff, that would be a different debate. You are putting other stuff | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
in. Is there room for compromise. ? If there was compromise on some of | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
the issues may be in the picketing code, then you would get the trade | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
union on board. Would you go to online voting? This is not like | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
Internet banking. If you make a mistake on Internet banking, your | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
bank can make recompense. If your boat goes, it is gone. We have to | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
make sure it is robust. I think we have got the right legislation. Once | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
we get it through we will find goods trade unions, and you have every | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
right to represent your members and people have every right to withdraw | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
labour, it will be a fair system for our country. We all want to do | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
better. I want to do better for those people who are working shifts, | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
who are taking low pay. Those people hurt the most when people go on | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
strike because they lose a whole day's wage packet. That is what this | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
is about. I will have to finish it you. | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
Might be worth checking, because the rules have changed. | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
Now people must register to vote individually rather than being | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
listed on a form filled in by one member of their household. | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
Anyone not on this new list by December the 1st could find they | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
Ministers say it's all about accuracy, | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
Labour say it's about something far more sinister. | :32:39. | :32:39. | |
You would think there was an election. | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
Actually, this Birmingham MP is knocking on doors worried | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
his voters might not have made it onto the electoral register. | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
In fact, nationally they say up to a million people could lose | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
their right to vote because they don't know the rules are changing. | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
If it carries on as it is going, we are going to find lots | :33:02. | :33:04. | |
of people lose out and it will be one of these great | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
post election scandals when we see what happens to the missing voters. | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
In England Birmingham has the highest number of names that | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
used to be on the electoral roll who are not on it now. | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
Nearly 57,000, more than 7% of the city's voting population. | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
It is more than 67,000 in Glasgow and just under 44,000 | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
But the Government insists the new system will provide a more accurate | :33:32. | :33:48. | |
in particular are closely reflecting on what is going on. | :33:49. | :34:12. | |
That is because at the next general election the number | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
They will be using the new electoral roll to decide how | :34:16. | :34:22. | |
Here in Birmingham the constituency lines will look very different. | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
If the numbers of voters in a particular constituency are deemed | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
artificially reduced, because people have wrongly been removed from the | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
register, then that will affect the calculations for boundary changes | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
and those will work in favour of the Conservative Party. | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
That is not about improving or extending democracy, | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
that is about rigging an election system to favour one party. | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
The government says it will have given local authorities | :34:57. | :34:58. | |
an extra ?3 million to help with registration and every household | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
will have been contacted nine times by the local council. | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
Ten if you include Labour who do not want to leave anything to chance. | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
And we've been joined by the minister for constitutional reform | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
John Penrose, and by Labour's Gloria de Piero, | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
who is the shadow minister for voter registration. | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
John, let's look at the figures. As of May when the figures were last | :35:19. | :35:35. | |
collated there were 1,000,858 322 missing voters, voters who had yet | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
to put themselves through the individual register. What grounds | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
have you made since May to close that figure down? We have not got | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
official figures, but we are getting returns in and I cannot give you a | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
final number yet. Is it half? I cannot give you a fair answer, but | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
after all that effort which you just mentioned of contacting people nine | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
times, we will have worked out who has moved house or died, or who is a | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
genuine voter and they will be registered and they will be able to | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
vote in May. If they are not, we can reregister them online in three | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
minutes. It would be a huge failure if anything two that number remained | :36:20. | :36:31. | |
not on the register. It would be a huge failure if people were not on | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
the register. We have to find people who are not registered at all, it is | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
not a question of crossing them off, there are groups out there who need | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
to be persuaded to vote and to get on the register, otherwise our | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
democracy is not complete. They are making a huge effort. The | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
independent body set up by Parliament, and what is the point of | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
setting them up if you ignore at their advice, do not limit it and do | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
not bring forward the transition to individual registration until | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
December. They have said you would risk losing electors and those are | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
the figures you have seen. I have no doubt that those numbers have fallen | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
now. I was doing a quick search on Google and in Camden there are only | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
ten days left for inclusion and there are 8000 missing. My own | :37:25. | :37:33. | |
constituency is about 650. But it is people in private, rented housing | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
and people who moved on a lot, often people who Abu Ghraib because they | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
can get mortgages because they are at risk. Why did you bring it | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
forward because you did not have to and you were advised not to? You | :37:45. | :37:53. | |
already mentioned the Association of Electoral Administrators, they | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
thought it was a good idea. There are important elections coming up | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
next year, the London Mayor, the Scottish parliament, local elections | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
in England and the Welsh assembly. We need to have an accurate register | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
for those elections as much as anything else. After you have | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
contacted people for nine times... How many times can you contact | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
people? I moved house in London where I am in the private, rented | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
sector. I started paying my council tax in July. There was a reasonable | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
time to data match me and nobody contacted me, I never saw a letter, | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
I called them a couple of weeks ago to check what was going on. I am a | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
living, breathing example, I am alive and kicking. We can testify to | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
that. No one contacted me. But you are not on the register at the | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
moment. You are a different kind of problem and we need to find people | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
like you who are not on in the first place. If you are not on it, I | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
cannot cross you off? What about the issue of ghost voters. A lot of | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
these people are bogus, so there will be appearing up of the | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
register. If you had given it extra year, you would have given it the | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
time to knock off the bogus ones, reregister the ones who were likely | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
to fall off. It is common sense. We do not want to lose people who want | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
to vote. We have had 18 months and we have had a long time. I think you | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
are confusing people who are on the register who might be wrongly | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
crossed off. You cannot cross them off because they are not on there in | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
the first place. I have spoken to Labour MPs and I have even gone as | :39:50. | :39:58. | |
far as saying gerrymandering. If Labour voters do not sign up, it is | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
good news for the Tories. It is bad news for any Democrat if the genuine | :40:04. | :40:10. | |
elector does not sign up. But the by-product would be a benefit | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
because many of these are in Labour constituencies. Kensington and | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
Chelsea is not exactly a left constituency and it is one of the | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
places with the top number missing. I know it is an fashionable to say | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
that the Lords have a say in this. I listen to the debate in the Lords | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
and they do know what they are talking about. They are from all the | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
different parties. Some of the speeches from the Liberals and | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
Labour were extremely good on this. I am crossbench, so I do not have | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
any political act in this, but the bit I could not understand was the | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
time issue. I cannot see why it has become party political. We want 100% | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
inclusivity. We want to stop people voting early and often. We want to | :41:02. | :41:09. | |
stop fraud and we want to make it as representative as possible. That has | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
to be in the interest of all Democrats. I cannot see why we have | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
now got this polemic situation where some people are saying the Tories | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
are doing this, it is disgusting. Others are saying you are not doing | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
this because you are a labour. Why can't we say, come together, we will | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
give you more time, and we will do this together. If you did that, and | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
you put some money into root it out to make sure those who were cheating | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
and pretending to be others go to prison, and the people who are lost | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
in this, I cannot imagine anybody would be lost in the system if they | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
were an MP, but there you are, I would like to think this is in the | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
interest of everybody. You would need more time, but in return you | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
ought to join together. Is this about the boundary review? This is | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
what Labour will be saying, that the outcome of the individual boat | :42:10. | :42:11. | |
registration drive determines the boundary review. To the extent we | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
want the boundary review to be based on accurate voter rolls, but it is | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
also about the elections next May. If we do not get this right... You | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
need to have a clean that list for those May elections which are | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
important for Jeremy Corbyn. So, give them extra time. We will lose | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
voters. There were 7000 in Camden. It is just not good enough. You | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
could register students in halls of residence, another problem. We have | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
pushed out quite a lot of money to help everybody do the checks. | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
Everyone could take a box in the halls of residence. We have run out | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
Now, should shops be allowed to stay open for longer on Sundays? | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
The Government thinks so, but about 20 Conservative MPs | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
are unhappy with the idea of any relaxing of Sunday trading hours. | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
The proposed changes would only affect England and Wales, | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
but the SNP, who are concerned about what that could mean for the wages | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
of UK company staff in Scotland, have now said that they would vote | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
And that's potentially a problem for David Cameron | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
Here he is answering a question to Labour's Susan Elan Jones back in | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
Let me just give the honourable lady and the House | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
two examples of where I don't think the current situation works. | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
You have got these restrictions on opening hours for many stores, | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
somebody is shouting what about families, many stores that families | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
would like to shop in and you have to go to these stores and you have | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
to walk around for hours before you are actually allowed to | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
The second point I would make is that you can shop on Sunday. | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
You can shop anywhere on Sunday, you can do it on the Internet and I | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
think it is time to modernise our approach, | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
to give families more choice and to help create jobs at the same time. | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
And we're joined now by Conservative MP Philip Davies, | :44:12. | :44:13. | |
And we did ask the SNP for an interview, but they weren't | :44:14. | :44:25. | |
And by Hannah Bartel from the SNP. You are now opposing plans to relax | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
Sunday trading hours. Do you sense and government scalp? What we send | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
is an issue that shows shop workers need to be protected and we are a | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
large group in the Westminster parliament and we were elected by | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
the Scottish people and we have been approached by people who have got | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
concerns about a creep on Sunday trading and it becoming | :44:55. | :44:56. | |
standardised. Shop workers will not be able to have protection for their | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
Sunday pay premium. This is only in England and Wales, what has it got | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
to do with Scotland and the SNP? If large retailers start operating as | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
normal on across Britain, it will become another day of work and there | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
will not be any protections. I do not see how it is, because they are | :45:18. | :45:30. | |
people. That is an excuse. My MP in the Midlands of England, would you | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
take exception to him coming up to Edinburgh and telling you what to do | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
with your shops. Answer the question. I take exception | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
with your shops. Answer the Answer the question. Hundreds of | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
thousands of people Answer the question. Hundreds of | :45:46. | :45:54. | |
tax credit cuts. What do you object to? Meet in Scotland telling you | :45:55. | :45:56. | |
what to do? to? Meet in Scotland telling you | :45:57. | :46:05. | |
the government and there is not a justifiable reason for the SNP | :46:06. | :46:06. | |
making mischief as the I have been very clear, as has the | :46:07. | :46:19. | |
SNP. We want to protect shop workers. The irony is, if the plans | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
had come in earlier, we would not have got to vote on this. This does | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
affect people in Scotland. have got to vote on this. This does | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
English votes for English laws which have got to vote on this. This does | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
has only just come into play. What say you, Philip Davies? | :46:33. | :46:41. | |
has only just come into play. What shameless. Basically, the SNP have | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
come with a game plan to Westminster which is to prove to the voters in | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
Scotland, that they are a more effective opposition to the | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
government and labour. That is their simple game plan. To be fair, they | :46:52. | :46:59. | |
have done a pretty good job of it so far. I'm just pointing out that is | :47:00. | :47:01. | |
absolutely shameless behaviour. They have looked at this and thought, we | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
will end up in a situation where Labour will favour had a chance to | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
defeat the government and they blew it. We have full deregulation of | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
Sunday trading hours in Scotland, absolutely full deregulation of | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
Sunday trading hours. In England and Wales, all we are asking for is to | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
give our local authorities the opportunity to vary them if they so | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
wish. The SNP with full deregulation are coming along claiming to be the | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
supporters of workers when workers in Scotland can work or through | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
Sunday without any restrictions. That is true. There is a different | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
system in Scotland and shop workers or big supermarkets and shops can | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
choose what they want to do. That retailers work across the UK. If we | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
move to a situation where we have Sunday trading and Sunday is just | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
another day and there is no protection for those workers... But | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
what is there in place now for that? We have paid protection for people | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
who work on a Sunday and a standardised system across the UK | :48:05. | :48:06. | |
with no protection and no legislation, if the Tories want to | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
bring forward paid protection, we willing to discuss that. It is not | :48:11. | :48:17. | |
just Hannah Bardell and those on the SNP dentures, there are those in | :48:18. | :48:20. | |
your own party who are not happy with this so you cannot lay the | :48:21. | :48:29. | |
blame with the SNP? There is a distinction between people having | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
objections and people acting shamelessly. They are shameless. You | :48:34. | :48:44. | |
are not arguing from a shop opening point of view. The 20 who are | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
betting against it have a legitimate objection to it. By the way, I'm not | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
need of your sides but I look at it and think you are doing this from | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
party politics. The 20 backbenchers who will rebel doing from principle. | :49:00. | :49:07. | |
The Conservatives have a consultation out at the moment which | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
makes a mockery of the system. We started sticking our noses into | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
every single thing which which you have full devolution rights over, | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
you would be in uproar over it. This was the Tories idea, English votes | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
for English laws, do you think it is working well? The system is flawed. | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
All it provides is an English veto for English laws. It does not stop | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
anyone else from voting on them. It stops people imposing things which | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
England doesn't like. This has illustrated the deficiency in the | :49:43. | :49:44. | |
English votes for English laws system because it does not deliver | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
what it does on the tin. This was not in the manifesto, the relaxation | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
of Sunday trading hours? I don't know. I am interested in what is | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
right and what is wrong. So you can understand why they met be against | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
it. The polling shows no demand. The bosses big stores and the | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
Association of convenience stores are opposed. Why you pushing this? | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
Look at Tesco. We have the Serbs situation that the Tesco express can | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
open any hours it likes because it is a small shop and the big Tesco | :50:18. | :50:25. | |
can only open for six hours. The workers being treated differently is | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
one thing but Tesco's don't mind because they charge customers more | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
in a Tesco express than they do in a big Tesco. Hannah who says she is | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
supporting working people and people on tight budgets, she's actually | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
making sure that those people have to pay more for their shopping they | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
otherwise have to if they could go to a bigger shop which charges a | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
lower price. It is about a package of measures which work. Many of | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
these people will be affected by the tax credits cuts. To then put in | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
place legislation which potentially means it will affect their Sunday | :51:01. | :51:09. | |
premium, and by the way, when USDAW did their survey 70% said they would | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
not work. But shops could stay open and compete, that is the reality. | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
The one thing the Prime Minister did say in that clip and he mentioned | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
the Internet, this argument belongs to the 19th century, because | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
actually, when you think about the Internet provides 24/7 access to | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
shopping, someone somewhere has to get globally competitive as -- | :51:32. | :51:40. | |
competitive. There are people who think Sunday is a day of rest. There | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
is higher churchgoing in Italy, Ireland, all of these countries | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
which have deregulated Sunday trading. There is a discussion to be | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
had and the Conservatives are showing this through. It is ill | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
thought through. Have you had talks with the 20 Tory rebels? Not | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
specifically with myself. We are just aware that they are unhappy. | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
You will not join forces? Nope, we have made our position clear. | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
Now, What's the best way for a country to represent itself? | :52:14. | :52:15. | |
Many take great pride in their national anthem and flags. | :52:16. | :52:18. | |
We had our memorable display of hospital beds to represent | :52:19. | :52:20. | |
And now the Finnish government claims to be the first country in | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
the world to commission emojis to help with their national branding. | :52:26. | :52:27. | |
For those of you who haven't stepped into the brave new world, | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
emojis are images often used in text and online communication. | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
So let's take a look at how the Finns have chosen to | :52:35. | :52:36. | |
The first image isn't, before any of you suggest it, me and Andrew | :52:37. | :52:42. | |
According to wikipedia the sauna is a substantial part | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
of Finnish culture with over three million of them for Finland's five | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
Moving on, this is the headbanger, which pays tribute | :52:52. | :53:00. | |
Apparently, it is dark in Finland and so is the music. | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
There's a small headbanger living inside of each Finn. | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
And finally, there's the good old Nokia phone | :53:08. | :53:09. | |
Before the days of iphones and Galaxys it was the market leader. | :53:10. | :53:16. | |
To tell us why Finland's decided to do this I'm joined by | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
Pauliina Stahlberg, the Director of the Finnish Institute in London, and | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
on the internet though I'm afraid without any emojis, by Professor Vyv | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
Evans who's a Professor of Linguistics at Bangor University. | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
Welcome to both of you. What has prompted Finland to do this? Finland | :53:34. | :53:42. | |
loves Christmas. Santa Claus is from Finland. We love our Advent | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
calendar. Our emojis will be our Advent calendar this year. There | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
will be 24 of them being released on the 1st of December. To any of our | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
viewers who do not know, can you explain the origins of emojis? | :53:58. | :54:06. | |
Emojis started in Japan. They were released in 1999, 176 of them. | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
Initially, they were localised to the Japanese Internet mobile sector. | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
And then, in 2011, they became widely available globally, when | :54:19. | :54:26. | |
Apple first incorporated them as standard in the digital keypad in | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
mobile computing devices so smartphones, iPads and so on. In | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
2013 they became more widely available when they were installed | :54:36. | :54:42. | |
in android. I'm now about 6 billion of them incredibly are sent every | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
day by the world's 2 billion smartphone users. So why the choice | :54:47. | :54:54. | |
of symbols? It did make us laugh with the sauna symbols but obviously | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
very important to fins? Although we are seen as being very serious, we | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
do have emotions! Emojis portray emotions. Finnish people are very | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
tech savvy and we love texting. We do not love showing emotion so we | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
like to send text messages one-on-one intimately. So this is a | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
way of us getting deeper and getting to grips with our emotions and | :55:21. | :55:22. | |
sharing them with the world as well. You think they were apt, the | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
head-banger, the saunas and the Nokia? Gas. So they are | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
representative. What has been the response of your countrymen and | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
women? They love them stop they are releasing more and we are having | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
discussions about what they could be. There will be a very famous | :55:41. | :55:51. | |
novel winner, our Formula One driver who does not display his emotions | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
very much. I think I might know who that is! I cannot tell you. Are they | :55:56. | :56:03. | |
right to attach so much significance to these? Alike that they are | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
emotional but do not want show their emotions. 70% of the world's usage | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
on a daily basis relates to emotions. Big brands are using | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
emojis. They have a range of functions. Charities who deal with | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
abused children have bespoke once. They are used in video gaming. They | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
have a wide range of applications beyond mobile communication. And I | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
think they do have an important value in terms of branding. It is | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
clear from my research that it is the young really, the under 25 age | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
group, especially in the UK who are in the vanguard of emoji usage. That | :56:48. | :56:56. | |
doesn't surprise me. We will look at some suggestions. | :56:57. | :56:58. | |
We've also been asking our viewers for the best emoji representations | :56:59. | :57:00. | |
Let's take a look at them now and I apologise for the quality of these, | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
The weather, the Royal family. I was thinking about what I would do. The | :57:06. | :57:25. | |
Royal family, yes. I would not do the weather. We will pass over the | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
rugby and the cricket! The Premier League is the most successful soccer | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
so you would probably do something with that. And also individual | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
sports, cycling, rowing, we are brilliant at. Something in sport. | :57:40. | :57:40. | |
The weather features again. I cup of tea and the Union Jack. Patriotic. | :57:41. | :57:53. | |
And let's have a look at this one. And finally more to my taste | :57:54. | :57:56. | |
some beer from @alexjbutcher. I'm not sure about the TV. That is | :57:57. | :58:07. | |
universal. 60 or 70 years ago we would be talking about postage | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
stamps. People flocked to universities say something to do | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
with university would be a good one. And we do have the three-time world | :58:17. | :58:22. | |
champion Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton! Let's not have aroused | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
about who has the best Formula One drivers. They have better rally | :58:28. | :58:29. | |
drivers. They do. And emoji suggestions | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
on facebook included a sinking ship, There's just time before we go to | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
find out the answer to our quiz. I was the Minister of | :58:36. | :58:58. | |
have to quickly pick an answer. I would say Manchester City. No, it | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
was the ear. Goodbye. Join us on BBC One for a truly epic | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
night of entertainment, | :59:09. | :59:20. |