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Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
The Government's published a report today | :00:40. | :00:49. | |
claiming that all alternatives to EU membership | :00:50. | :00:50. | |
and would leave us weaker and less safe. | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
No surprise those camaigning to leave the EU | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
We'll be talking to former Conservative chancellor | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
Norman Lamont, who wants to leave the EU. | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
It looks like it'll be Trump vs Clinton come November's | :01:06. | :01:07. | |
and look like being their respective parties' candidates. | :01:08. | :01:18. | |
And Times journalist Hugo Rifkind gives us his take on the battle | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
between Apple and the FBI over an an iPhone linked | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
Battles we will always bound to lose against digital piracy, pornography, | :01:24. | :01:36. | |
and soft drugs, but now we are looking at battles that really | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
matter, terrorism, organised crime, and those battles are much harder to | :01:42. | :01:42. | |
fight. All that in the next hour and a half | :01:43. | :02:09. | |
and with us for the duration, Cabinet Office Minister, Matt | :02:10. | :02:10. | |
Hancock, the only government minister brave enough to appear on | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
our programme, and Shadow Scottish Secretary, Ian Murray, the only | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
Labour MP in Scotland. Welcome to both of you. Now let's gaze into the | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
Daily Politics Crystal Ball, and find out what the UK would look like | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
if it left the EU. Actually we can't do that because we can't afford a | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
crystal ball. But a new report, published by the government, which | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
backs staying in, does attempt to do that, and, you have guessed it, the | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
report paints a pretty bleak picture. | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
The report, required by law under the European Referendum Act, | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
declares that the UK would be "weaker, less safe and worse off" | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
if it left the EU, with the gloomy analysis arguing that an exit | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
from the EU would see fewer jobs and rising prices. | :02:40. | :02:41. | |
The report also looks at non-EU alternative arrangements. | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
It argues that UK would have to revert to World Trade Organisation | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
rules and accept new costly tariffs on UK exports to the EU. | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
It also states that non-EU members Norway and Switzerland still have | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
to make financial contributions to the EU and accept principle | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
as part of their trading arrangements. | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
While it warns that Switzerland and Canada's arrangements provide | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
only limited access to the single market. | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
Foreign secretary Philip Hammond declared that | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
"hard-headed analysis shows working people | :03:22. | :03:22. | |
the pro-exit Work and Pensions Secretary, | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
He has called the report a "dodgy dossier" that "won't fool anyone." | :03:31. | :03:39. | |
The government says that we would be weaker, we would be less safe, we | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
would be worse off if we left the European Union, presumably that is | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
true, whether or not we we negotiated a new deal. That is | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
looking at all of the difficult options available. Even if the Prime | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
Minister had not achieved a renegotiation, that would be true? | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
The good thing... If he had not, that would still be true? It is | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
hypothetical, we did get a good renegotiation, the fact that we get | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
better competitiveness and an ever closer union, ever closer union | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
ending, which to me, is really important, we got those advantages, | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
we have the best of both worlds. Even if you had not come you say it | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
is hypothetical, it is not, Prime Minister told us that if he did not | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
get a deal, he said I would rule nothing out. So if he did not have a | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
deal, would he have plumped for a future in which he would be weaker | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
and less safe and worse off? We would be those things if we left the | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
European Union... With or without a deal? Compare to what is on the | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
table. Also compared to the status quo before renegotiation. The | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
analysis is about the comparison of the good deal we have got, or, | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
leaving altogether. And so actually, the question of what we are | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
comparing, we are comparing the deal that we have got, positive, for | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
competitiveness, ending the ever closer union... The point I'm fine | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
to get you to address, if there is such a big gamble in which so much | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
would go wrong, it must be true that it would have been wrong to take the | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
gamble whether or not we got a renegotiation. In the manifesto we | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
committed to having a referendum, everyone is pleased we are having a | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
referendum. Really? Even the Prime Minister? S, he committed to having | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
it... Why have a referendum? You are saying it would be weaker, less | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
safe, sterling would plummet, uncertainty... Tariff barriers... | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
All of that! Sodom and Camorra! Why would you risk a referendum? We have | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
promised, in the manifesto, and we are fulfilling that commitment, that | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
is why we are having this, and for years, politicians before my time | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
promised a referendum and it never got delivered. -- Sodom and | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
Gomorrah. We can settle this for a generation. Even though leaving is | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
so boring, in your view. It ends the drive towards ever closer union, | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
against better competitiveness, those are important changes. -- | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
abhorrent. That means that we can be in the European Union but not on | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
track to a single country called Europe. That is an important change, | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
and on the economics of it, that is paramount for me, that is what got | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
me into this politics in the first place, the economics are not | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
ambiguous, the deal we have got is better than the alternatives. | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
Looking at the alternatives, Norway is one example, that you look at and | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
dismiss, you say that 75% of EU law has got to be adopted by Norway, | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
what does that mean? That is based on lists... What is the figure based | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
on? It is based on what happens in Norway. What is the source? The | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
Foreign Office have analysed the situation that happens in Norway, | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
Switzerland, Canada, and looked at the WTO. I looked at the compiling | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
of the figures, the EU does not dispute these figures, between 2000 | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
and 2013, there were 52,000 legal instruments issued by the EU, Norway | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
adopted 4724... 9%... Where does this 75% come from? That is from the | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
Foreign Office. I am asking where they got it from, the after | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
secretary act compiles these figures, their figure is 9%, where | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
does 75 come from? It comes on the analysis of the impact on Norway. | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
Only 100 of these changes required primary legislation. Only 100 out of | :07:51. | :08:00. | |
52,000... That is not 75%. A huge amount of legislation goes through, | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
primary legislation, secondary legislation. That is the 9%. What | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
you are not disputing, and that nobody can dispute, if you choose | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
the New Zealand option, then you end up with the rules and regulations. | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
You end up with the free movement of people. You end up with the rules | :08:21. | :08:30. | |
without having to say over them. How many EU rules... Switzerland given | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
as example, how many rules does it right into its law? It is 0%, I can | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
tell you. Switzerland is a different type of deal, they do not have full | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
access to the single market, but they still have free movement of | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
people. It is a different example. They do not have access to services. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
But, as you know, there is no single market in services. There is and we | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
are strengthening it, part of the deal and the competitiveness of the | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
deal that the promised brought back is all about our arguments to | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
strengthen the services to the single market. The digital market, | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
that is beginning stronger. The key point is this, the majority of our | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
collar me is services. Indeed. To be in the Swiss position where you are | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
not involved in the single market, you do not have full access, that | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
would hit jobs and prospects. If not having access to the single market | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
is such a disadvantage, Switzerland does not have it, how come, per | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
capita, Twitter link exports five times as much as we do? Physically | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
it is much closer and surrounded by the European Union. That has nothing | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
to do with it. Geography is almost irrelevant in the digital age! | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
Island is the only country... Switzerland, historically, has | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
always been next to... Most of the exports to Ireland do not go through | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
the Northern Ireland border, having aborted makes no difference. -- | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
Switzerland exports five times as much as we do. Only one tenth of EU | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
exports come to the UK, that shows that in a renegotiation, were we to | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
leave, then our argument for being able to export to the Yukon would be | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
much more... We would need that more than they would need the 10% from | :10:24. | :10:35. | |
last. -- to the EU. If it is a disadvantage, why has America, | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
Canada and Australia increased their exports to the European Union in the | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
past 20 years far more quickly than we have? Having increased trade | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
across the world, because we started with a high position, because Europe | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
is next door to us, increased trade around the world has happened right | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
across the world. Increased trade between the US and... Why have they | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
done better than us, we are inside and they are not, why is it such an | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
advantage? They have not done better than us in absolute terms but they | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
are trading more with the world, with China, as well, the Americans. | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
It comes back to this, all of these options have big downsides in terms | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
of access to the single market, or, you have to abide by the rules | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
anyway. What we do not know, what underpins this discussion, all the | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
different options, we do not know what leaving would look like, we do | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
not know what the options are. Anybody who wants to leave is | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
putting forward. You also talk about how Europe would impose tariffs, if | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
we did that, we would impose tariffs on Europe, why do you presume that | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
would happen at all, when from Iceland, in the north Atlantic, to | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
Turkey, in Asia Minor, whether you are a member of the year you are | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
not, there are no tariffs. Why would the Europeans pick on us? That is | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
not accurate, looking at the trade deal being done with Canada. I said | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
from Iceland down to Turkey, the outermost stretches of the | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
continent, from Iceland all the way through to Turkey, there are no | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
tariffs. Whether you are in the EU or out. For goods. So, why would the | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
Europeans pick on us? The only one that has them, Belarus. Why would | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
the Europeans position as with Belarus, that is what you are | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
saying. That is what is presumed? No, not at all, it looks at what | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
happens if we do not end up in the single market, if you do not have | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
the free movement of people, then, the WTO rules, the World Trade | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
Organisation rules allow tariffs of up to 10% on things like cars, and | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
in fact, only this morning... This is not just coming from me. Why | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
would the European Union, our allies, our friends, whether we are | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
in or out, why would they pick on us when there is not another country | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
through the whole European continent that has these tariffs? You have | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
just named one. Belarus? LAUGHTER That is a Stalinist dictatorship! | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
Are you saying the European Union would file us with a Stalinist | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
dictatorship? I am not! But, some of the people who want to leave argue | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
for a trade deal like with Canada, and the Canadian example, even | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
though it is not yet passed, it includes these tariffs, but the key | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
point is this, you do not just have to take it from me, from the Foreign | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
Office, from the Foreign Secretary, listen this morning to the justice | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
minister, who wants to leave, he argued that yes, tariffs in things | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
like services and agriculture may go up slightly. You do not have to take | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
it only from me. What I want from people who want to leave is an | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
explanation of what would look like, because I care deeply about the jobs | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
and livelihoods of British people and that is what has made me decide | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
to vote to remain, because I care about the future stability and | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
security of the economy and we just do not know what things would look | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
like if we left. We will be coming back with more questions, don't go | :14:12. | :14:12. | |
away. It is clear that the Shadow Cabinet | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
backs David Cameron's position but Jeremy Corbyn will not share a | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
platform with David Cameron, will you embrace this dossier and what | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
has been set out and use it in the labour campaign? The issue about the | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
dossier is that we do not know what it looks like, the Foreign Office | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
have try to put together some kind of document. -- Labour campaign. I | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
fear that we are in a position where the UK Government is putting forward | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
all of the downsides without the positive case for staying in, like | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
with the Scotland referendum. Would use the claims being made that all | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
of the alternative, as we have just been through, in terms of EU | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
membership, would be worse for Britain? EU membership is good for | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
Britain, being out of the European Union would be bad for Britain, we | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
all agree on that, we want to stay in. If you take that as the premise, | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
the dossier is trying to find their way through what Britain would look | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
like not being part of the European Union. Is it useful? The ad campaign | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
would tell us what that looks like. What the questioning has shown is | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
that nobody knows what it would look like armour that is why we are | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
better off in, whether it is for trade or jobs or investment, we are | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
part of the European Union project. -- nobody knows what it would look | :15:29. | :15:38. | |
like, that is why we are better off. Did David Cameron do a good job with | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
the renegotiation? It was a sideshow, some of it was even in the | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
manifesto, so we do back that, but we must set that aside, we would be | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
campaign to stay in the European Union with or without those changes. | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
If those are the kind of changes he has got, we will accept those. | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
Jeremy Corbyn is going to enthusiastically campaign to stay | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
in, is he? Absolutely. That's why he wants a distinctive labour campaign, | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
because we want the Labour message in this campaign to be brought | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
forward. We don't want the internal squabbles of the Conservative Party | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
to rule this campaign. Do you agree that it is jobs and people's | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
livelihoods that should be at the centre, the forefront, of the remain | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
campaign? I think it should be at the centre and forefront of every | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
single campaign in terms of our pursuit -- constituency MPs. But | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
there is also the big social side of the European Union, whether it be | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
holiday pay, but hers in paternity issues. The social side of Europe is | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
incredibly important. Thank you. Last night across the pond, | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
were celebrating their victories in yesterday's so-called | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
Super Tuesday polls. Super Tuesday is when 11 states | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
choose their candidates for the presidency, and it can be | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
a turning point in the race. What a super Tuesday! Surely only | :16:57. | :17:11. | |
the Americans could make a Tuesday super. All the candidates had some | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
success last night. The Republicans' Ted Cruise taking three states, his | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
rival, Marco Rubio, one. For the Democrats, Bernie Sanders won four | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
states. But it was the night that the presidential race seemed to | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
narrow to being a battle between these two and they're setting their | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
sights on each other. She's been there for so long. If she hasn't | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
straightened it out by now, she's not going to straighten it out in | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
the next four years. It's just going to become worse and worse. It's | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
clear to me that the stakes in this election have never been higher. And | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
the rhetoric we're hearing on the other side has never been lower. The | :17:53. | :18:02. | |
pantomime villain for the Democrats is worrying some Republicans and Mr | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
Trump, even though Ted Cruise is behind you, his call for his rivals | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
to dropout may start to resonate. So long as the field remains divided, | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
Donald Trump's path to the nomination remains more likely. And | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
that would be a disaster for Republicans. And yet last night | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
Donald Trump seemed to strike a conciliatory tone. I'm a unifier. I | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
know people are going to find that hard to believe but believe me, I am | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
a unifier. Much of this campaign has been hard to believe and be election | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
isn't even till November. Thank you all very much. | :18:43. | :18:51. | |
We're joined now by Kate Andrews from Republicans Overseas | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
and by the MP Sir Simon Burns, who makes no secret of his support | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
He's even got a selfie with Hillary Clinton to prove it. | :18:59. | :19:06. | |
We won't show that now. It's daytime television! Kate Andrews, are you | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
now reconciled to Donald Trump being your party's candidate? I think | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
anyone looking at this race would have to assume that he is the very, | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
very likely Republican candidate. Something interesting that came out | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
of last night is how well Senator Ted Cruise did do in a lot of the | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
states. He did well in his own state of Texas and Oklahoma. Second place | :19:31. | :19:37. | |
is very important because it is awarded proportionally it isn't | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
winner take all. You raise a very interesting point. It is very | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
interesting. I would suggest it helps Mr Trump that Mr Cruise is | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
still in the race because the Rubio/ Cruz vote will split and Mr Trump | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
will almost certainly win Florida. At this point to... The grand old | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
party needed the candidates to consolidate weeks ago before super | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
Tuesday. Now that they haven't and Donald Trump is clearly in the lead, | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
I wonder what their strategy will be. It is a bit radical but in some | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
ways now, having more candidates in the race will take delegates away | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
from Donald Trump as well. They might angle for burger convention. | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
It hasn't happened in 60 years so I'm not calling that... Even I | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
didn't cover that. That could be a strategy. Let's take it that Mrs | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
Clinton has got the nomination sewn up. On the indictment over the | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
e-mails over the Clinton's financing, over Rumsfeld, is unknown | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
unknown. Let's part that. She'll be happy she up against Ardron? I would | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
think so because it's quite extraordinary. Most politicians in | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
the Western world, if they've behaved like Donald Trump has in the | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
last two or three months, if they'd spoken over some of the things he's | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
said, they would be toast, and yet he has gone from strength to | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
strength with some things that are pretty distasteful, like mimicking | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
someone who is distasteful etc. Doesn't seem to matter what he says. | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
It doesn't because he seems to be appealing to a certain niche market | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
of voters who are coming out in their droves to support him and if | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
you then look at the policy proposals that he has, apart from | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
the sound bites there isn't much flesh on them in the way that | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
Hillary Clinton is addressing issues that are relevant to the people of | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
America, like health care, the economy, the middle classes. But | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
here's the issue, and I understand the White House view, which is that | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
they are delighted it is Trump. They were terrified it was Rubio. They | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
thought Rubio could win they're delighted it is Trump. But the | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
problem is that no Democratic front runner in recent memory has gone | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
into a presidential campaign, at the general election, with as big a | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
negative as Hillary Clinton. She is vulnerable. Of course she is | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
vulnerable. But when it narrows down to the two candidates, so you don't | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
have a choice of other people as the potential nominee, it will | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
concentrate minds and when you look at the electoral arithmetic of the | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
United States, California, New York, they have the two largest electoral | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
colleges, just under 100, 270 votes, and when you then see the base of | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
the Democratic party, and I think that the people who are | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
idealistically supporting Senator Sanders at the moment will come home | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
to the Democratic party when they realise the sheer horror of what is | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
confronting America with the alternative. One of the things that | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
could swing in Mr Trump's Wake on the general election is if he could | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
attract what we used to call the Reagan Democrats, the former | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
Democratic blue-collar men of Italian Irish background who voted | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
for Mr Reagan in 1980 and not Mr Carter. Is there any sign Mr Trump | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
could do that? Yes, I think the biggest make the rest -- mistake the | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
Republican Party has made so far as to underestimate him and I think | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
most Republicans are doing the same thing. He's not just winning a small | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
proportion of radical votes, he's running Hispanics, he's willing | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
African-Americans, he's winning women. Among Republican registered | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
voters. In a lot of open primaries. In Iowa, 37% of the people who voted | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
went Republicans, they were either Republicans or Democrats. He is | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
appealing to a very wide base of people. But he is policy light in | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
terms of what he stands for and he's really weak on the Fatton policy. | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
You saw what Marco Rubio was able to do to him simply on the Obama care | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
reform. When Hillary Clinton gets hold of him... She's a walking | :24:07. | :24:15. | |
encyclopaedia of our civil stop I wouldn't necessarily agree that he | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
is policy light, just that he is outrageously lacking in policy but | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
will you have to understand is that the American people have been | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
promised polity Saint for the better part of two decades. You had a | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
president who promised hope and change and we haven't seen it. The | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
American people stuff they like their salaries haven't gone up, | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
those jobs aren't there. They're tired of it. It is a point that Mr | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
Trump made in one of his post-victory speeches, Hillary | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
Clinton is promising to do something about wages... His point is, they've | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
been in power for the past eight years and were in power a lot before | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
that as well. Why would it get any better? Because it is already | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
getting better now and it is a sound bite from people who oppose | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
President Obama, without taking into account what is behind it. No change | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
since 2009? What is Obama care? He's the first president... Bad for the | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
middle class. He is the first president who has managed to get | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
health care reform through the Congress. You've also seem that they | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
inherited an economy that had gone down the tubes thanks to George W | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
Bush, who squandered the Bill Clinton surplus and now we are | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
seeing the American economy picking up with wages beginning to improve, | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
unemployment coming down. That is the future and the hope and Hillary | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
Clinton would continue that. Just yes or no, do you fear Mr Trump gets | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
the ticket you could lose the Senate? I think it's very possible. | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
It's also possible that President Trump will come to fruition. Who is | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
going to win? Hillary Clinton. Who is going to win? Between the two of | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
them it is a toss-up, I would be terrified of I was Hillary Clinton. | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
Clinton. I think it is very difficult to call. It is difficult | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
for government ministers to make predictions, I understand. | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
Now, this year is a big one for one of our avid viewers. | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
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is tell us what year this happened. Will he tell us | :27:31. | :27:38. | |
what his position is? Madam Speaker, there's one | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
Oh, no, there's one very big difference. | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
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John Major's never been the safety first politician he sometimes looks. | :28:15. | :28:34. | |
To remove this uncertainty, I have this afternoon | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way. | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
And that's not all - the BBC's deputy political editor | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
Despite the divisions and beer unanimity in the Labour Party, | :29:38. | :29:51. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has demonstrated much interest in raising this as an issue | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
in PMQs. Wildie today? I'll be surprised. It's the open goal. You | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
would think it is the natural weight of debate in Parliament but I think | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
he might try and choose thing left field. Pensions may be. Lots of | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
people are talking about that in terms of when the state pension age | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
may be changed, what sort of transitional protection should be in | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
place, particularly for women. He might go for something... Person I | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
this report about child poverty. He could go on that. The government has | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
announced this morning that they are not going to go ahead with the | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
vaccines for meningitis, which has been a big story in the news in | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
recent weeks. And go to stop you there. We'll find out. | :30:37. | :30:53. | |
Patricia Gibson. Will the Prime Minister take this opportunity to | :30:54. | :31:02. | |
confirm that the UK Government intended to take ?7 billion from | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
Scotland, over a decade, through the fiscal framework West remark and | :31:07. | :31:15. | |
will he take this opportunity to take this opportunity today to | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
explain why that was the case. -- through the fiscal framework? Only | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
the SNP can try to maintain a grievance after the settlement has | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
taken place. What we have done is build a powerhouse parliament for | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
Scotland with more powers, more ability to set tax rates, more | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
ability to determine benefits for its citizens, and now is time for | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
the SNP to stop talking about grievances, and get on with | :31:45. | :31:45. | |
government! CHEERING CSA group in my constituency has | :31:46. | :31:56. | |
recently taken on six new apprentices. Across my constituency | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
we have had more than 1000 apprenticeship starts since 2014, | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
does my right honourable friend agree that this is time for | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
government to stick with the plan, so that even more governments have | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
the ability to take on apprenticeships. We have a very | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
stretching target for 3 million apprentices to be trained during | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
this Parliament, we will do our bit, we want business to do its part, I | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
contributing to the apprenticeship levy, but we need small businesses | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
like CSA, in her constituency, and indeed the public sector, to get | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
fully involved in training apprentices to give young people the | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
chance to earn and learn at the same time. Jeremy Corbyn. It is three | :32:41. | :32:52. | |
years since the government announced a policy of tax free childcare. | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
Could the Prime Minister tell us what is the hold-up? We are | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
introducing that, along with the 30 hours of childcare, for everyone | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
with a three and four-year-olds, with a ?6 billion commitment, with | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
the start of the 30 hours coming in in a pilot scheme this year. Jeremy | :33:15. | :33:22. | |
Corbyn. Mr Speaker, the Treasury website describes it as a long-term | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
plan... LAUGHTER It certainly is that, it was | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
announced in 2013, and is not apparently going to be introduced | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
until next year. Could the Prime Minister tell us why his promise of | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
30 hours free childcare for three and four-year-olds is not there for | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
one in three working parents who want their children to be cared for | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
in preschool? First of all, on the tax relief on childcare, we lost a | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
court case against some of the existing providers, so there was a | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
delay, and the tax free childcare will come in in 2017. As for the 30 | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
hours, as I have said, there will be pilot schemes this year, and full | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
temperament Asian next year, in line with what we have said in the | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
manifesto. I'm delighted he is helping me to promote government | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
policy! CHEERING When I became Prime Minister I think | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
we only had ten hours of childcare, now it has gone up to 12, and is now | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
15, and is now 30. These are all the things you can do if you have a | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
strong economy with a sound plan, you are getting your deficit down, | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
your economy is growing, you are able to do all of these things. | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
CHEERING I'm glad we are able to talk about | :34:36. | :34:42. | |
them. Jeremy Corbyn. Today, the National Audit Office report | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
confirms that one third of families promised 30 hours free childcare now | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
will not receive it, this is a broken promise. The report also | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
warns that many childcare providers are not offering the new entitlement | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
due to insufficient funding. There are 41,003 -year-olds missing out on | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
free early education as a result of this. -- 40 1000 three-year-old. | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
Will the Prime Minister intervene and make sure those children get the | :35:11. | :35:19. | |
start in life they deserve? -- 41,000 three-year-olds. The | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
department has successfully in fermented entitlement to free | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
childcare for three and four-year-olds with almost universal | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
take-up of hours offered to parents. -- implemented universal | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
entitlement. The Department has made significant progress in making free | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
entitlement, parents and children are benefiting, stakeholders are | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
positive about increasing the time to 30 hours. All of these things we | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
are able to do because we have a strong and sound economy, what a | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
contrast it would be if we listened to the right honourable gentleman, | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
as I regularly subscribe to the Islington Tribune, I can announce | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
his latest economic adviser, Yanis Varoufakis! He was the Greek finance | :36:02. | :36:08. | |
minister, who left his economy in ruins! That is Labour's policy, into | :36:09. | :36:22. | |
words, Acropolis -- in two words, " Acropolis now". That is not much | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
help to the 41,000 children not benefiting from what they were | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
promised by the government, looking further on in the education life of | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
children, according to the figures from the government, half a million | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
children in primary schools are in classes over 31, 15,000 are in | :36:39. | :36:47. | |
classes of over 40, we all know the importance of both preschool and | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
early years of education to give all of our children a decent start in | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
life. And yet half a million are living in poverty and many are in | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
oversized glasses, isn't it time for a serious government intervention to | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
sort out this problem? -- oversized classes. Introducing the extra hours | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
for childcare is a huge operation for the childcare providers, since | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
the National Audit Office report, that said only 58% of disadvantaged | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
to-year-olds were accessing the free childcare offer, the latest | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
information shows it is over 70% of those. Now, he mentioned the number | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
of teachers and overcrowded classes, there is 13,100 more teachers than | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
there were in 2010, because we have invested in teach first, we have | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
invested in bursaries, we have made sure that teaching is a worthwhile | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
career, when it comes to school places, I want to answer him, | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
because there is 453 fewer schools that are full or overcapacity, | :37:50. | :37:57. | |
compare 220 ten. That is progress. 36,500 fewer pupils who are in | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
schools that are overcrowded. Again, why have we been able to do this? We | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
protected education funding, detected the money that went | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
following every pupil in the school, introduced the pupil premium, the | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
first time any government had recognised the extra needs of | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
children from the most poor backgrounds. We did all of that, the | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
school system is growing, there are more places, fewer overcrowded | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
schools, all because they have the strong economy and the right values | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
in place. Mr Speaker, the problem is that class sizes are growing, the | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
problem is that there is a crisis of teacher shortages as well, and I | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
have been talking, as I am sure the Prime Minister has, too many | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
teachers, I have a question from one, I quote, from Tom, " I have | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
been teaching for ten years and I am currently head of design and | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
technology at a successful secondary school. With increasing numbers of | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
teachers leaving the profession, will the government is now access | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
that there is a crisis of recruitment and also of retention of | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
teachers in this crucial profession?" I have given you the | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
figures, there is 13,000 more teachers in schools than when I | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
became Prime Minister, if he worries about teacher recruitment, explain | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
this: how is it going to help his party's proposal to put up the basic | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
rate of tax, starting in Scotland, that will mean classroom teachers, | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
secondary school teachers, nursery teachers all paying more tax, what | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
we are doing is helping teachers by saying, you can earn ?11,000 before | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
you pay any income tax at all. I don't think that recruiting teachers | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
is simply about money, it is also about having a good school system, | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
which we have in place in this country, it certainly won't help if | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
we listen to Labour and put up people's taxes. The Prime Minister | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
seems to be in a bit of denial here. SHOUTING | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
Ofsted and the National Audit Office all confirmed there is a shortage | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
and a crisis of teachers. Ensuring there is another excellent teachers | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
in our schools is fundamental to the life chances of children. When 70% | :40:05. | :40:11. | |
of head teachers warned they are now using agency staff, is staff there | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
are classroom, isn't it time the government intervened and looked at | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
the real cost of this, damage to children's education, but also, ?1.3 | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
billion spent last year on agency teachers. We have this agency | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
working situation in the National Health Service, and also in | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
education, are we moving into an era in which we can turn it agency | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
Britain? He has got to look at the facts, rather than talk down people | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
working so hard to teach children in our schools. Teachers are better | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
qualified than ever, that is the fact, 96.6% of teachers in state | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
funded schools now have a degree or higher qualification. Those are the | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
facts. I would argue that going into teaching, and now, teach first is | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
the most popular destination for Oxbridge graduates, which never | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
happened under a Labour government, if you want to encourage people to | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
go into teaching, you have got to know you have a good school system | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
with more academies, more free schools. -- Teach First. Higher | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
qualification, making sure we have rig and discipline in the classroom, | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
all of which has improved, but all of that is only possible if you have | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
a strong and growing economy to fund the schools that our children need. | :41:28. | :41:38. | |
In my constituency, we have one of several UK power stations, which has | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
seen closure this year. In Germany and Holland, both of whose carbon | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
emissions are higher, they are building brand-new mega power | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
stations, much of that we are going to import. It is very hard, for me | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
to expand the logic of this to my constituents, could the Prime | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
Minister review the pace of our closure programme, particularly in | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
the context of next year 's energy crunch. My honourable friend raises | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
an important question, he is right, there is big change in the industry, | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
we want to see an increase in gas capacity, an increase in renewable | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
capacity and the restarting of the nuclear programme, which I hope to | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
be discussing with the French president this week. He is right | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
that security of supply must be the number one priority, that is why we | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
have announced we will bring forward the capacity market to provide this | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
extra boost to existing stations, this could indeed help Fiddlers | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
Ferry itself. I say to him and everybody across the house, all of | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
the decisions we take about energy, they have consequences for peoples | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
bills. He mentions Germany, German electricity prices are 40% higher | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
than in the UK, the level of subsidies makes up 30% of German | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
bills, ours is less than half that level, and we have got to think | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
through these decisions for the consequences for energy consumers. | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
Angus Roberts and. We all have a right not to be disconnected | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
against. On the basis of age, gender, six, sexual orientation, | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
disability or ethnicity. Parents have right is to paternity and | :43:16. | :43:24. | |
maternity entitlement. -- Angus Robertson. All of the things -- | :43:25. | :43:32. | |
semi-things are guaranteed through membership of the European Union, | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
does the Prime Minister guarantee that there are due to social | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
benefits to being members of the European Union. What we have done, | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
including under this government, is actually add to the right that | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
people have, including maternity and paternity rights. I think that the | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
emphasis on Europe now needs to be making sure that weeks band the | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
single market and make it more successful for businesses, | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
recognising the social benefits matter as well but principally, I | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
believe they are a matter for this house. Angus Robertson. Millions of | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
UK citizens live elsewhere in the European Union, European decisions | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
have helped the environment reducing sulphur dioxide emissions by nine | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
tenths, relations between 28 EU member states are often imperfect | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
but they occur through dialogue and agreement, surely a huge improvement | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
on confrontations and wards of the past. With the Prime Minister | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
concentrate on the positive arguments for EU membership, and | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
reject the approach of "Project Fear". My arguments about being | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
stronger in the refund European Union, and safer, and better off in | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
the refund European Union, are all positive arguments, and I would add | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
the point that he makes, things like pollution, crosses borders, and it | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
makes sense to work together. The fundamental point he makes is one | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
worth thinking about, he and I are both post-war children, but we | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
should never forget, when we sit around the table, that 70 years ago, | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
these countries were murdering each other, on the continent of Europe. | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
For all the frustrated of this institution, and believe me, there | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
are many, we should never forget that, the fact that we talk and work | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
together and resolve disputes around the table. Alberto Costa. Those who | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
foster children deserve our full support. To mark fostering February, | :45:29. | :45:37. | |
I visited in my constituency a fostering unit which since | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
establishment in 2003 has helped over 1250 children, find a loving | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
and caring home. Would my right honourable friend join me in | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
thanking the unit, as well as the carers, but would he also agreed to | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
look into how the currently complex funding arrangements for over 18s | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
could be considerably simplified to ease the transition of children into | :46:01. | :46:01. | |
adult third. We all know as parents it is very | :46:02. | :46:19. | |
important to give people the support they need. That's why we changed the | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
law in the last parliament so local authorities are under a duty to | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
support young people who choose to remain with their foster carers | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
beyond the age of 18. We put in place what is called a staying put | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
arrangement and are providing 40 formerly pounds over three years. In | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
the first year of its roll-out, almost half of those eligible to | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
stay but have decided to do so. This is a real advance in our fostering | :46:42. | :46:48. | |
arrangements. Thank you, Mr Speaker. As this is my first ever question to | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
the Prime Minister, I do hope... CHEERING | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
I do hope my suit and tie matches mother's high expectations. Mr | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
Speaker, in September last year, 16-year-old Mohammed was stabbed to | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
death in my constituency. His mother discovered last week the CPS will | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
not be prosecuting the man arrested for his murder. Sadly, she joins the | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
84% people in Southwark are experienced by crime last year who | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
have seen no one held to account. Home Office blamed local police for | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
that Lopez occasioned great and I resent the position that my local | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
elites are not up to the job. Will the Prime Minister ensure that my | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
local police have the resources to investigate knife crime fully and | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
bring more killers to justice? The honourable gentleman uses his first | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
question to raise an incredibly important issue which is knife crime | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
in our country. The good news is that knife crime has come down about | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
14% since 2010 but he makes an important point about the level of | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
prosecutions. Last year there were something like 11,000 prosecutions. | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
The rate of prosecution is similar as for other areas but clearly | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
everything we can do to help the police, the CPS to increase the rate | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
of prosecution is wholly worthwhile. We need to give the police the | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
resources they need and we are, through the spending round. We need | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
to educate young people on the dangers of knife crime and we need | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
to make sure those who commit these crimes are properly punished. Mr | :48:14. | :48:23. | |
Bernard Jenkin. Where is the fellow? He's not here. Well let's hear from | :48:24. | :48:33. | |
someone who is here, Mr David Davis. For five or six years... Order. I | :48:34. | :48:43. | |
know the houses in a state of some motivation but we must hear from The | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
Right Honourable gentleman when he's composed himself. Mr David Davis. | :48:48. | :48:55. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. For five or six years, national insurance | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
numbers issue to EU migrants have been hundreds of thousands higher | :49:00. | :49:02. | |
than the official immigration figures. This implies the figures | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
may be a dramatic underestimate. We can only know the truth of the | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
matter is HMRC release the data on active EU national insurance buzz, | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
which HMRC has refused to do. Will the Prime Minister instructed HMRC | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
to release those statistics so that we know the truth about European | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
immigration? And glad we've got the single transferable question, if not | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
the single transferable vote. The reason why these numbers don't tally | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
is you can get a national insurance number for a very short-term visit | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
and people who are already here without insurance number can apply | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
for them, so these numbers are quite complex. The HMRC has given greater | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
information and I will make sure that continues to be the case. The | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
proposed changes to Sunday trading are causing great concern to many | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
retailers, shop workers, to their families, to faith groups and to all | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
who want to Keep Sunday Special, get before the election the Prime | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
Minister said he had no plans to change Sunday Trading laws. When did | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
he change his mind or was it always his plan to scrap this great British | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
compromise as soon as the election was safely out of the way? Well, I | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
thought it was right to bring forward these proposals because they | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
are genuinely new proposals. New in that we are devolving to local | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
authorities to make those decisions and secondly, crucially, I'm sure | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
honourable members opposite will be interested in this, we will be | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
introducing new protections not only for new workers on Sundays but for | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
all workers on Sundays and so I think the house should look | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
carefully at this idea, not least because our constituents are able to | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
shop online all day, every day, including Sunday. All the evidence | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
shows this will be welcomed by customers, will create more jobs and | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
I think we have nothing to be scared of moving into this new arrangement. | :51:08. | :51:16. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. At the weekend I visited a Young enterprise | :51:17. | :51:24. | |
trade fair where teams from across local Staffordshire schools, | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
including Rugeley sixth form Academy, where showcasing their | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
entrepreneurial skills. Will my right honourable friend join me in | :51:32. | :51:33. | |
wishing good luck to all of the teams and does he agree that with | :51:34. | :51:39. | |
me, initiatives such as this are key to inspiring the next generation of | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
entrepreneurs? I think my honourable friend makes an important point, | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
which is four years in our schools not enough was done to encourage | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
enterprise and entrepreneurship when we know that so many jobs of the | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
future will come from start-up businesses and small businesses and | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
rapidly growing start-ups, so it is absolutely right that in our schools | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
we should be promoting enterprise, not only through teaching but also | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
to exercises including starting businesses for young people by | :52:08. | :52:15. | |
giving them small grants. Yesterday, a north-east SME ceased to trade. | :52:16. | :52:18. | |
Their goal was the extraction of gas from coal deep under the North Sea. | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
The Government failed to abide -- provide a supporting statement to | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
support investment due to its inability to compound that not only | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
would the company secure our energies apply but also provide | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
feedstocks to grow our industries and all of that totally decarbonise | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
stop Will the Prime Minister look at this appalling loss of opportunity | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
and urgently change course and develop a meaningful industrial and | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
energy strategy that British industry and workers and the planet | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
so badly need? I will certainly look at the case that he raises because | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
we back all energy projects that could create jobs and create growth | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
in our country and we have a very active industrial strategy for that. | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
I know that he's disappointed about our decision on carbon capture and | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
storage but I would say to him that that is an extra capital investment | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
and even after that, there is no sign yet that carbon capture or | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
storage can be even close to competitive to even nuclear power | :53:22. | :53:23. | |
offshore wind but I will look carefully E mentions. -- at the case | :53:24. | :53:33. | |
he mentions. A large proportion of the fish caught by British vessels | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
and landed in the UK are exported to Europe, mainly to EU countries, and | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
a great many of our fishermen fish in the sovereign waters of other | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
European Union countries. In a reformed regime, reforms that were | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
led by the British government. Does my right honourable friend agree | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
that our sees, those that exploit them and the communities that they | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
support, are better off in a reformed European Union? I agree | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
with my honourable friend and I pay tribute to him for the huge work | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
that he did to reform the common fisheries policy from what was a | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
very poor policy to one that is now working much better for our | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
fishermen. When it comes to fishing and farming, the key issue is going | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
to be making sure that Europe's markets remain open to the produce | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
that we land and we produce and that I think is going to be vital in the | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
debate in the months ahead. When more than 16,000... 1600 families | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
are on York's waiting list, when care workers are forced to leave the | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
city due to the cost of renting, when young families are placed in | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
single rooms in homeless hostels and when supported housing schemes will | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
have to close due to benefit changes, can the Prime Minister | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
specifically state why, up to 2500 predominantly high-value homes are | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
being planned for development in York Central without building a | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
single home for social rent? The decisions made in York about | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
planning for York City Council and their local plan but what I would | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
say to her, one of the things that we did in the last parliament was | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
specifically designed to help York, was to change the change of use | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
provisions so that empty offices could be used to build flats and | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
houses for local people, which is happening in York and will help to | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
make sure that city continues to thrive. Will my right honourable | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
friend agree to meet me and my constituent William Lawrie, a | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
brilliant young farmer whose business has been put at risk | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
because the RPA haven't paid his basic payment scheme money? Will he | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
also confirmed that the RPA figures that they keep putting out our | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
fictional, or does he agree with his Defra secretary that it is the EU's | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
commissioners' fault for making the cap so compensated? What I would say | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
to my honourable friend is that the system is complicated and we need to | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
make sure that the rural payments agency does the very best that it | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
can. To date, 70,000 farmers have received their 2015 payments, which | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
is now 81% of all claims paid but there is always room for | :56:21. | :56:22. | |
improvement. We should look at all the devolved areas of the UK and see | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
how they are coping with this problem. In terms of the issue more | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
broadly, I think it's very important we maintain the access that our | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
farmers have without tariffs, without tax, without quota, to | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
produce the cleanest and best food anywhere in the world and explored | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
it -- export it to 500 million people in the EU single market. | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
Yesterday the chair of the board of international campaign for Tibet | :56:52. | :56:57. | |
came to the House of Commons to meet with members of parliament as well | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
as you, Mr Speaker. Will the Prime Minister follow the example set by | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
the United States, Canada, Germany and Japan and write to the Chinese | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
authorities to express his concerns about their oppressive | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
counterterrorism laws, introduced in Tibet? I wasn't aware of that visit. | :57:14. | :57:21. | |
I will look very closely at what he said and perhaps get back to the | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
honourable lady about the issues he raises. In 2004, the 16-year-old | :57:25. | :57:37. | |
some of my constituent Lorraine Fraser was murdered by a gang and | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
the conviction of four of them was secured by joint enterprise. The | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
recent ruling in the Supreme Court has caused Lorraine and many other | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
Victors' families a great deal of anxiety. Would my right are both | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
friend agreed to facilitate a meeting to enable these families to | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
discuss their concerns with ministers and understand what the | :57:56. | :57:57. | |
ruling might mean in cases like there's? Well, through my honourable | :57:58. | :58:05. | |
friend, can I extend my sympathy is to his constituents? He is | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
absolutely right, we should remember that the families of all those | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
who've lost loved ones to dreadful crimes who are worried about this | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
judgment and what it might mean for them. I'm very happy to facilitate a | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
meeting between him and one of the justice ministers to discuss it. We | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
should be clear that this judgment only referred to a narrow category | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
of joint enterprise cases and I think it would be wrong to suggest | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
that everyone convicted under the wider law on joint enterprise will | :58:29. | :58:31. | |
have grounds for appeal. It is very important that message goes out but | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
I will fix the meeting that he calls for. People in the Midlands are | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
absolutely furious to learn that the Government's awarded a contract to | :58:41. | :58:42. | |
make British medals to some French company. Imagine it, Mr Speaker. You | :58:43. | :58:48. | |
open your distinguished service order or CBE and it says "Made in | :58:49. | :58:58. | |
France". I visited Midlands metal manufacturers in Birmingham's | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
jewellery Quarter. They are the best in the world. We should go back to | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
Downing Street -- he should go back to Downing Street, call in the | :59:08. | :59:10. | |
Cabinet Office minister and get this scandal sorted out. The only point | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
Cabinet Office minister and get this would make to the honourable | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
gentleman is, I'm sure all of those in the Royal Mint in Wales would | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
want to contest the fact that they make the finest medals in the United | :59:23. | :59:25. | |
Kingdom and I'm sure the competition between them and Birmingham is very | :59:26. | :59:29. | |
intense. I'll certainly take away what he says. I wasn't aware of this | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
issue but I'm always in favour, where we can make something in | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
Britain, we should make something in Britain. A recent investigation | :59:37. | :59:45. | |
carried out by my local newspaper, the Derby Telegraph, uncovered | :59:46. | :59:47. | |
reports of alleged experiments carried out on children by medics at | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
a medical facility in Derbyshire during the 1960s and 1970s. Can I | :59:53. | :59:57. | |
ask the Prime Minister to ensure that a thorough investigation into | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
this situation is now undertaken? I'm very happy to give my honourable | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
friend that assurance. She is absolutely right to raise this. They | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
are very serious allegations and it's vital that the full facts are | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
considered. My understanding is that the police, the local authority and | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
NHS working together and there's an inquiry process under the Derby | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
safeguarding children board in line with its procedures. I would | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
encourage anyone who knows anything about this to come forward and give | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
evidence to that board. The Syrian ceasefire is extremely fragile. | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
There are reports that Russia is continuing to attack anti-Assad | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
rebels, not Daesh, and that Islamic terrorists and weapons continue to | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
pass into Syria across the Turkish border. What is the British | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
Government doing to ensure the ceasefire is properly monitored and, | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
in particular, to reduce serious tensions between Russia and our Nato | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
ally Turkey? The honourable lady is absolutely right to raise this. The | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
cessation of hostilities is an important step forward, imperfect | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
though it is, and it does enable the possibility of political | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
negotiations starting next week. She asks service and agree what we are | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
proud to admit it is properly enforced stop we are working with | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
the Americans and Russians to make that happen. I've got a European | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
conference call with Vladimir Putin later this week to reinforce these | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
points. Even though the ceasefire is imperfect, it is progress that we | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
have it. Not every group is included in the ceasefire but basically there | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
aren't the attacks that were taking place on the moderate opposition, | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
which is welcome, and it is also enabled us with others to get aid | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
into communities that desperately need it, including through airdrops | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
and convoys. So I wouldn't put too much optimism into the mix right now | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
but this is progress and we should work on it. Two weeks ago I visited | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
a refugee Cap and the surrounding area on the Jordanian/Syrian border, | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
primarily to assist health care services. I was struck by the | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
remarkable resilience the local people have and this system is under | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
quite significant pressure. Would the Prime Minister meet with me to | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
discuss further what Britain can do to enhance health care services on | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
the ground, both for the Syrian refugees and the wider Jordanian | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
community? I'm very happy to meet with my honourable friend to discuss | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
this. It is an extra ordinary sight, that refugee camp, because of the | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
scale of the endeavour under way. Britain can be proud of what we've | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
done in terms of the direct aid we've given and also the London | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
conference that raised $11 billion for these refugee camps. I know he's | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
got a long-standing interest on what we can do to make sure facilities | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
are delivered quickly, including on occasions using military facilities, | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
and I think there may be opportunities for that but we also | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
need to make sure the emergency response from NGOs and the knighted | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
nations is as fast as it can be when crises like this happen in the | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
future. As the Prime Minister struggles with certain elements in | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
his party over Europe, does he ever think that on an inspirational Prime | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
Minister -- think back on an inspirational Prime Minister, Harold | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
Wilson, who faced difficulties but stood up to the rebels in his own | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
party and secured a yes vote for staying in Europe, and will he join | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
with me because Harold Wilson's Centenary of his birth is next week | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
and could be celebrated across all parties, a great innovative Prime | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Minister. I do feel a natural sympathy for anyone who has had this | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
job. Irrespective of what side of the house we're on. I think he did | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
do some important things and the honourable gentleman has some | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
important things. I wish his family well on this important day and I | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
think we approach things in different ways but one thing we | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
would have agreed about is Britain's future is better off in a reformed | :04:01. | :04:11. | |
EU. I'm sure the whole house will join me in expressing our | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
condolences to Neil and Jennifer Burdett, the parents of two-year-old | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
Fay, who died on Valentine's Day of meningitis B. Since they's death, | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
815,000 people have signed a petition calling for the Government | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
to vaccinate more children against meningitis B. I'm proud that the UK | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
is the first country to have a vaccination programme for meningitis | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
B but could my right honourable friend make sure the government | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
looks at what more can be done to prevent more children like fei dying | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
from this disease? On behalf of the whole house, let me extend my | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
sympathies and condolences to Faye's parents and all those who have had | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
children suffering from this terrible disease. By Robert friend | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
is absolutely right, we were the first country in the world to have | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
this vaccination programme, which is based on the advice of the joint | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
committee on vaccination and immunisation who recommended | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
targeting the vaccine to protect the infant at highest risk. The | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
incidence of highest risk it does occur in babies at five months and | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
of the 276 children contracting meningitis B last year, over 100 | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
were one year of age but she makes important points. We need to look at | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
all the evidence carefully, as do the expert bodies that advise us, | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
recognising that Britain is already taking some important steps forward | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
by being the first country to vaccinate in this way. | :05:32. | :05:42. | |
Leader of the Opposition Jeremy Corbyn went on education related | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
issues, to begin with, childcare for infants, then moved on to what he | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
said was a growing crisis in teachers and growing class sizes. | :05:52. | :06:04. | |
Attacking Tory cuts has been a successful Labour strategy, | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
according to one viewer, but the point is an additional childcare | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
provision did not hit home, just gave David Cameron an opportunity to | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
talk about an area of policy where Tories are weak. Same drivel from | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
the Romans as usual, says one viewer, and our viewers so dumb that | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
backbenchers need to be asking planted questions. James Patterson | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
says, Jeremy Corbyn bleeding all over the floor, Prime Minister | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
drowning him under a sea of figures. Jeremy Corbyn, new suit, proper | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
tire, and up to the collar, now David Cameron's mother only needs to | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
teach him how to do a Windsor knot! That was a Windsor knot... I thought | :06:53. | :07:02. | |
you would say that. I do it automatically, I do not even know | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
how to do it if you ask me, it is automatic! Isn't the problem, there | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
is the other things on the news agenda, that Jeremy Corbyn's | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
contribution to PMQs is largely likely to be ignored. It is a | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
strategic choice that he has made, not to follow the Westminster | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
agenda, to do his own thing, to settle on the issues he wants to | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
settle on, it is right for the government to be challenged on these | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
policies, what frustrates Labour MPs is two things, the execution of | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
this, if we go on education, don't go on everything, don't go on class | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
sizes... Choose one thing. Really nail in on this, jabber away, all | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
six questions, when you get to the fifth or sixth, you get to expose | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
prime ministers. They have run out of their brief. Labour MPs are also | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
frustrated that they have nothing to say on the issue of the moment, | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
Britain's place in the European Union. I know this will be a long | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
campaign with many months to go but it is the only thing that | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
Westminster and politicians and the newspapers are talking about. A lot | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
of Labour MPs are frustrated that they are almost not having a voice | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
in this debate, that begins to worry them. That is true, perhaps | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
inevitably, because the big divisions are inside the | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
Conservative Party, but the debate, the argument, seems to be taking | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
place almost with Labour having a walk on part. I wonder if that is | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
also not because a lot of people, including on your own side, feel | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
that his heart is not quite in it, when it was the big in day last | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
Saturday, he spoke with a CND rally. I will tell you why he has gone on | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
education. Could you address my question first. And then we will | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
come back. But it is linked, the genesis of your question, why isn't | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
he talking about Europe at the dispatch box, why is he not pressing | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
on the divisions of the Conservative Party, but he is enthusiastically | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
supporting staying in the Hugh the party is supporting that. Where we | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
have seen that enthusiasm...? Backing the campaign, the Shadow | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
Cabinet is fully supportive. He went to a CND rally last Saturday, that | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
was meant to be Labour's day of in and it was full remain... Going to | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
the CND rally, all of the headlines were about Jeremy Corbyn going | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
there. Bottom line, we are trying to create a division in the Labour | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
Party which does not exist. Every single Labour MP is enthusiastically | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
supporting the campaign to stay in the European Union, you have seen a | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
premises question, the divisions are on the Conservatives. We are very | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
united in the message the Labour Party is putting out, the reason | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
Jeremy Corbyn did not go on the European Union today on the dispatch | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
box, most parents are founding out this week which secondary school | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
their children will be going too, very current in terms of ordinary | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
parents up and down the country, they will watch that and think, I | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
have just had a letter which means I cannot get into the secondary | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
school, even I live in the catchment area. Given that he chose to go on | :10:17. | :10:27. | |
that area, why did he not include, from the Institute for Fiscal | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
Studies, these quite serious figures about the growth of child poverty. | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
About the end of the decade. Surely, for a Labour leader, it is an easy | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
link, as well, to link education and child poverty, did not even mention | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
that. New has mention the national audit in terms of education. I am | :10:48. | :10:56. | |
not in the room when he is discussing what to do. Why not? | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
Would you like to be? LAUGHTER You write some very good jokes for | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
the Prime Minister. That Acropolis one was terrible. The Leader of the | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
Opposition can go on a plethora of subjects, going through the analysis | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
of what is best, one of the things he's trying to do is go on real | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
issues, rather than fuelling this Westminster bubble of continually | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
banging on about Europe. What is the point of being Labour leader if you | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
do not highlight a potentially devastating report on child poverty? | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
It is important that he does. But also... It is also important to the | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
party leader to be on the side of parents who are really concerned | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
about the shortages of school places, who are receiving those | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
letters this week. He is raising that issue directly with the prime | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
and it, why are you not sorting this? Coming back to Europe, are you | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
worried? You need Scottish national votes and Labour votes to win -- he | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
is raising that issue directly with the Prime Minister. Are you worried | :11:59. | :12:05. | |
about Jeremy Corbyn's enthusiasm for Europe? The Labour Party is pretty | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
much united in favour of in. There is a huge amount of Labour support | :12:15. | :12:23. | |
for that position. Are you worried about the apparent lack of | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
enthusiasm from Jeremy Corbyn? Not really. The thing that lay beneath | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
the more to get the Labour vote out. Jeremy Corbyn is not the most | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
appealing political figure for the general public. We need the voices | :12:36. | :12:45. | |
that the public trust. Would you share a stage with him? I'm not | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
planning on, I think that he has said that he will not share a | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
platform with any of us, but it is about allowing people to decide. I | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
don't think Jeremy Corbyn... Doesn't matter what he says? It is ordinary | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
voices that will win or lose this, not all editions. It could be won or | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
lost on turnout. If you want to stay in Europe, you need to get the vote | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
out. It is not about Jeremy Corbyn, it is about the argument, the case, | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
the economy will be stronger. One question that was very accurate, the | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
Prime Minister should have been brave enough to say to the Tories, | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
we have a deal, we are voting in, the fact he has not done that makes | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
a huge split, makes it more difficult to win it. Indeed. Final | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
thought? Many people in the Labour Party are worried by the | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
leadership's slight hint of equivocation when it comes to the | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
issue, they suspect that is one of the reason Jeremy Corbyn does not | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
like doing that, getting into positions. I offer Peter Mandelson | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
the opportunity to be critical of Jeremy Corbyn yesterday, was very | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
cautious about it, he said he is the right man, there is a definite sense | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
from the pro-Remain campaign the Labour side that they do not want to | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
get into a fight with the leadership over this. During the referendum. | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
They want to keep the ceasefire on Europe intact. We will have to see | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
what we can do about that(!) Sticking with the issue | :14:14. | :14:29. | |
of the EU referendum, the former Conservative chancellor | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
Norman Lamont has come Earlier this year he took part | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
in a roleplaying exercise as the British minister in charge | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
of negotiations if Britain voted was greater control over our | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
borders. We would seek to introduce | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
legislation to that effect. We would be willing to explore | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
a number of options on that front. If we had our own system, | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
perhaps a points system, we could seek to give a bias | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
towards EU nationals what took you so long to officially | :14:57. | :15:23. | |
come out and say, when clearly you were on that side? I was war-gaming | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
on the assumption that was given to me by the organisers of the session, | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
I have never ever in the past said that we should come out, as long ago | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
as 1994I made a speech saying the time may come when we have to choose | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
between a much more politically integrated Europe and leaving. The | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
way that Europe has gone since then, I think as adequately fulfilled the | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
warnings I gave then, I think Europe is at a fork and we must choose. It | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
is still taking quite a long time. We have at the renegotiated package | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
from the Prime Minister. What was the turmoil in your mind? It is a | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
big decision, altering the policy of this country over 40 years, it means | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
having a disagreement with colleagues within one's own party. I | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
did not want to rush into it, but I thought and thought and came to the | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
view, you say it is not surprising that I can do it but I did. Do you | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
feel like in some ways you are betraying your colleagues, like the | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
primers to? No, this is a big decision, splitting friends and | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
families, so important, one must recognise the right of people to | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
disagree with you. And after all, that is the purpose of a referendum. | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
As you say, it is dividing families, dividing friends, dividing the | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
Conservative Party once again. How difficult is it going to be | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
post-referendum in terms of the unity of the party? I think there is | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
a great awareness of this danger in the Conservative Party and people | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
are very determined that after it is over people should get together and | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
heal the divisions. It is very important that the referendum | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
discussion should be conducted with civility and respect for other | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
people's point of view. You think Iain Duncan Smith was practising | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
that when he described the dossier as dodgy, the government 's dossier. | :17:20. | :17:27. | |
It sets out alternatives, one is entitled to argue about the premise. | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
One is entitled to dispute it. I would seriously disputed as well. Is | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
it dodgy? I think that it is arguable. If you want to keep the | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
civility between the sides, should Iain Duncan Smith the indulging in | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
that kind of language? People will get over it, it is not a great | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
thing. It has been said that there are big risks attached to leaving. | :17:58. | :18:08. | |
Switzerland, Norway, Canada taking seven years, limited access to the | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
single market, going through the World Trade Organisation, resulting | :18:14. | :18:15. | |
in extra tariffs on certain products like food, they are right. I don't | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
think so. The German finance minister has said that were Britain | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
to leave, it would be necessary, necessary, to have a free-trade | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
agreement with Britain. This isn't something Britain has to | :18:31. | :18:40. | |
demand, it's just as important to the other side. Britain is the | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
largest customer the German cars and German manufacturers. They would be | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
desperate to know the terms on which they would be able to sell into the | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
UK and so an agreement is absolutely on both sides' interest. The country | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
you didn't mention was the United States. The United States actually | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
sells into Europe since 2011 more than we do. We compare with Norway, | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
we compare with Switzerland but the United States actually sells more | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
than we do. Nobody is saying, or they shouldn't be saying, that there | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
wouldn't be some sort of deal. The question mark is, how much turmoil | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
there could be while the deal is being made. It's not just the | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
government. You've even got a US fund manager saying that Brexit | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
offers a lot of risk with little obvious reward top equity, sterling | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
and the London property market would all be likely to suffer and we've | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
seen some proof of that recently with sterling. Sterling has been | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
lower than this during the life of this government and nobody commented | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
whatsoever. You trotted out Black Rock. I could run you through a list | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
of companies and fund managers this very morning... Legal and general | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
said it would have no effect on their business. Take Neil Woodford, | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
who is one of the staff and managers of this country, who said it is very | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
difficult to argue it would have any great effect. Take Eleanor Morris E, | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
who runs Newton asset management. There are lots of people who say | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
economically it will make no difference and that is what I | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
believe. But which model would you choose? There's a letter now from | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Nick Herbert that has just been published, the chairman of the | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
Conservatives. It has been said to Ian Duncan Smith specifically but it | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
says, you have said that if Britain were to be leave the EU we wouldn't | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
copy any other country's deal and have a settlement on our own terms. | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
Do you agree with Iain Duncan Smith that it would be different to what | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
has ever been settled with other countries? Yes, I think it ought to | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
be a special deal for top obviously, one can't say in every detail what | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
it would be like because it is... Even in broad detail. Let me finish. | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
Because it is subject to negotiation. But Jack Delors has | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
gone out of his way to say he recognises that Britain historically | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
is interested in the economic son should have a special arrangement. | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
He said that would not be difficult to arrange. Of course in this period | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
when people are trying to persuade Britain to vote to stay on, people | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
are going to say it is going to be difficult. In reality, it won't be. | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
Is it a fair playing field, a fair fight on both sides? Advocate is | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
reasonably fair. I think the funding arrangements, but that goes back to | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
the Blair government, are very odd and not entirely fair. The civil | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
service papers? Do you feel very strongly that they should be given | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
to ministers on both sides of the argument? I'm not a member of the | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
government. This issue doesn't really concern me. What I understood | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
Jeremy Hayward to say was that civil servants could not provide political | :21:51. | :21:58. | |
lines for those who were in favour of Brexit to pursue and that seems | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
to be entirely reasonable. But some of the exit terms that were outlined | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
to don't seem to be that different to what our relationship would be | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
like if we were to remain. You have implied that we would accept the | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
existing body of EU law and regulation analysis of the fine | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
matters and ensure a deal could be completed in the next decade. | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
Preferential access for EU citizens under whatever deal is reached. And | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
that Britain should chip in to the EU budget other gesture of goodwill. | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
What's different? Economically, I think things would be very similar | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
but the issue is, you can say why, then, exit? We would be free of this | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
juggernaut of integration. Whatever barriers Britain direct the European | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
Court of Justice, the European Parliament find ways around. They | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
are masters at bending the rules. Take the bailout of Ireland which | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
was plainly illegal, plainly illegal. Christine Lagarde admitted | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
such but they just did it nonetheless. Thank you. | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
Should Apple help the FBI to unlocking iPhone used by one of the | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
gunmen responsible for the San Bernardino shootings? The FBI thinks | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
so and argued in a congressional hearing yesterday that Apple's | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
encryption was a vicious guard dog that hurts national security. A | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
short jump back across the pond, the UK Government food web published a | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
revised version of its much criticised investigatory Powers | :23:28. | :23:27. | |
bill. In our Soapbox this week, | :23:28. | :23:37. | |
Hugo Rifkind asks whether politicians are right to be circling | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
on Apple and other tech companies, before reflecting on whether all | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
of the fights they've picked surrounding internet security | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
and freedom are the right ones. The San Bernardino shooting | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
in December last year left 14 dead. Who wouldn't want to | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
help the police get to the bottom of it, | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
whatever it takes? Well, Apple wouldn't, | :23:52. | :23:53. | |
or so the accusation goes, and seemingly all because of one | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
of these - a phone with a pass lock and some pretty | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
sophisticated encryption. The company has been | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
accused of placing commercial interests | :24:04. | :24:04. | |
over national security. What "commercial interests" means | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
for Apple is people still wanting So, is it any surprise | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
that Apple wants to We're often told that people | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear but who doesn't | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
have something to hide? Music lovers who illegally | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
download a few songs, box set lovers who Torrent, | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
and then there's internet porn But if you did, would you really | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
want a record kept? Think of that information | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
being hacked or flung Freedom flows on the internet like a | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
river. Nothing spurs innovation | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
like being told you can't do something but these | :24:49. | :24:50. | |
innovations weren't devised Often they were popularised | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
to shield more minor crimes, such as buying drugs, | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
or for simple privacy. But the lesson here is | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
that the dogged online onanist is not a man you'd want | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
in your enemy's corner, The battles we were always bound | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
to lose against digital piracy, pornography and soft drugs have | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
bequeathed us a world in which the battles that really | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
matter, against terrorism and organised crime, are much, | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
much harder to fight. Hugo Rifkind is with us now, having | :25:21. | :25:38. | |
played his chance at being Doctor Who. Should Apple help or turn its | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
back on the law in this case? It's not quite that simple. It's easy to | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
say Apple should help in one case if they possibly can. A pretty | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
important case. It's cleverly possible the FBI can get into this | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
phone by themselves if they wanted to and this is a test case to | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
establish a precedent. The point is that if you place an onus on tech | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
companies to break encryption like this, what they're going to do, what | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
Apple is doing, is try to develop products where they can't break the | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
cushion because that removes the responsible as you from them -- | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
removes the responsibility from them. In the battle against terror, | :26:15. | :26:24. | |
people will say this is a special case. This is not the same as | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
perhaps other crimes that could be seen as less challenging to national | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
security and that surely Loren for is that agencies have to be able to | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
do their job to gather evidence? -- law enforcement agencies. You could | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
argue that. Firstly if you damaging corruption like this, it isn't just | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
security services that benefit, criminals benefit. If security and | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
terrorism special case then we need to be very careful with things like | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
our own investigatory Powers bill which vastly boosts the powers that | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
the police have. Other law-enforcement agencies have | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
private data. This essentially gives terrorists allies. Matthew Hancock, | :27:02. | :27:09. | |
should Apple be cooperating? Well, in the UK, we're proposing, as Hugo | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
said, a new set of laws with a balance. Of course you've got to the | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
tech National Security Council pits the first duty of the state. But the | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
way we're proposing to get through this in the UK context is to make | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
sure that there are safeguards so that the warrant requires a judge to | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
sign off in order to show... Both to make sure in the specifics that it | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
is in the national interest but also to demonstrate... David Davis says | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
the judge will just be signing of what the Home Secretary said. That's | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
how judges act. -- not how judges at. How would companies like Apple | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
be forced to remove the encryption on their messaging software? The | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
proposal in the bill is that with the check by the judiciary and | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
therefore this being independent and decided on, whether it is in the | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
national interest, you have that check there and that would be | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
required by law. Hugo Rifkind, thank you. | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
There's just time to put you out of your misery and give | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
Hit the big red button. Let's see what happens. | :28:19. | :28:38. | |
You fulfil your role very expertly. -- fulfilled. | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now. | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
No doubt the European referendum will be rumbling on and the official | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
campaign hasn't even started yet! And we've got another four months or | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
so of it. Can't get enough. | :28:58. | :28:59. |