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Faslane Trident, and the future of the BBC. The First Minister


referring to bright young journalists. 23 isn't bad.


your subsidies? Do you want money from the British government, and


then you can lobby the British government on how they spend it? I


understand that you would spend it in a better way. But it is not a


saving. Well, it is a saving, because you are talking about the


match funding and mentioned and the strings you have. Of course we are


going to spend it. Whole point of the Leave campaign is that we will


have this money that we are giving to the European Union to spend at


home way we want. Let me welcome our viewers in Scotland who have been


watching First Minister's Questions in Edinburgh. You now join us in an


argument of figures for the remaining and leave campaign. What


do you make of it? There are obviously costs to being in the


European Union. But basic economics suggests that if you reduced tariffs


and you reduce non-trade tariff barriers, precisely the things that


Boris Johnson complained about, that he couldn't change the cab window on


lorries, that is in order that everybody else doesn't and we can


sell our goods across Europe. Alimentary economics suggests that


we will make money out of that. All of us will have a view as to whether


or not the exchange we make in which we have more influence on what the


continent does and they have more influence on us is a worthwhile


exchange. Unfortunately, lots of these figures shine no light on


anything, because people don't know exactly what the dimensions are. But


if you ask me, elementary market economics suggests, as Harold


Macmillan and every conservative Prime Minister has argued since


1961, that if you have a free market across Europe with a larger internal


market, it will make people better off. I believe that our tolerance,


social cohesion and international peace depends on our prosperity and


it is a worthwhile deal. Jack Straw. I beg your pardon, Will Straw.


Stuart Rose has said nothing will happen if we came out of Europe in


the next five years. There will be no change, he said. What happened to


a decade of uncertainty? He was asked about that again yesterday by


Steve Baker, one of the members of the committee and a prominent


campaigner to leave. And he clarified his remarks and said, what


I was saying was that the lights would not go out the day afterwards,


but you would start to get effects. He said there would be absolutely no


change. You are quoting something he said some months ago. Yesterday, he


clarified his remarks. Since he joined the campaign, there has been


a series of economic studies put out by HSBC and Morgan Stanley saying we


would fall into recession. On the question of wages, it is not a good


idea to give each individual more wages unless their productivity goes


up, otherwise we will have lots of unemployment. Stuart Rose has been a


brilliant chair so far. The important point he was making guest


today and that we are making is that you can argue about the figures, but


the benefits of being in the EU out whether costs. We cannot judge that


unless we argue about the figures! But the figures we are arguing about


our ten times larger than the cost figure. Even if we were out, the


balance would be on our side. We will leave it there.


Yesterday, the Government responded to what has become Parliament's most


popular petition, which saw 800,000 people calling for the meningitis B


vaccine to be offered to all children under 11.


At present, it's only to be offered to children in the first year


But the Department of Health has rejected the call, saying it's


following expert advice and that extending the vaccination


Well, one MP raised the issue at Prime Minister's Questions


and Giles is with her on College Green.


I am indeed. It has to be said, 815,000 yesterday is a huge number.


It is the most supported petition ever. I suspect a lot of parents


simply think it would be great to save more children's lives. Helen


Whately, you raised this in PMQs. Can the government do more? Can they


do what the petition is asking? I raised this because not only is it


my constituents who are the parents of a child who died, it is an awful


disease and they have asked me to be a voice for their concerns and


wanted to prevent other children suffering. So I want to push the


government to look at this again. But they have looked at this. They


followed the advice of the joint committee on vaccination and


immunisation. And the advice was that we cannot extend this, it is


not cost-effective. Presumably, they have little room for manoeuvre. I


know they are looking at whether it is possible to start vaccinating


teenagers to provide herd immunity which protects young children as


well. There is also work going on to look at how assessments are made on


cost effectiveness of vaccinations. I am pushing for that work to


happen. Do you accept that cost is, however heartless, a consideration


in these decisions? There is always somebody that falls outside this,


however tragically. It is difficult to talk about cost when dealing with


a disease as horrid as meningitis B, but you do have to look at the best


way to use a limited amount of NHS resources. We have to make sure the


money is well spent. But you could look again at the cost effectiveness


and public awareness. Is there a problem that when you are shifting


funding from one part of the NHS, but taking it from an area where


there are other people saying, hang on, we need to fund this drug more


effectively? Exactly, there are difficult choices to be made between


treatment and vaccination and between different vaccination


programmes. I want to see more emphasis put on prevention and


vaccination overtreatment. Do you think the government will change his


mind? I think the government is taking this seriously. I suspect


that petition will go a bit higher before this gets debated.


Now, what, if anything, do all these politicians


We're gonna win with trade, we'll win with the military,


we're gonna win with Obamacare. We're replacing it.


We can cause the biggest political shock


that has been seen in modern British political history.


We can cause an earthquake on May 22nd


All the pundits are calling the race for Clinton.


That means we're probably going to win in a landslide!


they're all examples of anti-establishment rebels


who have upset the traditional political order.


But are they all part of a trend, and perhaps more importantly,


will they ever translate that impact into elected office?


we're joined by the Guardian columnist Owen Jones.


Danny Finkelstein is still with us. In this antiestablishment kick, it


is true to say that there is likely to be, on the right is on the left?


Yes, and all across the western world at the moment, there is quite


a febrile atmosphere, with huge amounts of political discontent


going in two directions. That is populist parties of the xenophobic


right, and new movement on the left. And they vary enormously. In the


United States, you have Bernie Sanders, a sceptre generic


socialist, and then you have the demagogic plutocrat Bob Trump. In


Britain, you have the rise of the SNP, you have the Greens and the


court bin phenomenon and then Ukip. In France, you have the far right


National Front. In Spain, the left-wing party Podemos. And across


Scandinavia, anti-immigrant parties and then Greek Syriza. There is huge


discontent and the fear of people like me is that we have not


recovered from the last economic crisis. It is a mugs game predicting


the next crisis, but if there is one, the danger is the likes of


Nigel Farage and Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen in France of the


National Front being better organised. We have already learned


that from America, because Mr Trump is almost certainly going to be the


Republican nominee for president. And Mr Sanders is certainly not


going to be the Democrat nominee. I suppose with Sanders, he failed to


inspire particularly African-Americans. I saw your column


always insightful. I genuinely found that fascinating. You said it was


rich college kids fuelling Bernie Sanders, but he has actually done


well amongst low income white Americans, but failed with


African-Americans. Certainly in the United States, as elsewhere in other


countries, for example in Spain, you have not had a successful populist


right movement. It has gone to the left. But Podemos will not be in the


next government. We don't know that yet. But the fear I have is that


unless people who believe as I would put it, in the politics of hope, get


their act together, it will be the xenophobic right who benefit. But if


you look at the Bernie Sanders campaign, if you look at the state


he won in New Hampshire and so on, his support came overwhelmingly from


white middle-class people like yourself. No. YouGov looked at New


Hampshire, and they found among African-Americans that he failed to


inspire them. Clinton is doing well there. But with New Hampshire, they


found that Bernie Sanders overwhelmingly won amongst the


lowest income brackets, was Hillary Clinton won amongst the highest


income brackets. But the turnout amongst the lowest income white


voters was very low. Whereas the turnout among college tutor and is,


among white middle-class folk like yourself, was huge. Well, regardless


of the turnout, he did a lot better amongst low-income Americans. The


issue with the Democrats, he is doing better amongst low white


Americans. The Democrats have failed to excite and mobilise their


existing supporters in the way Donald Trump outs. Donald Trump's


supporters are often Americans who are hurting. Their wages have been


falling. This is not about it being a personality cult. Anybody on the


left, regardless of whether you are going to dismiss middle-class


students, actually, people who go to university who you call middle-class


are often people struggling with jobs who are lacking a secure


future. You cannot pin an election on them alone. Isn't it true that


everywhere you look on both sides of the Atlantic and on both sides of


the Channel, the mainstream is under attack, and in some places losing


power? In some places, that is true. But one thing those four have in


common is that none of them have won power and I don't think they will.


But they have in other places. Syriza has won in Greece. The hard


right has won in Poland. There is a very strange government taking over


in Croatia. They are doing well in Finland and Sweden. I acknowledge


that we are seeing something real, and these people represent real


change. Ukip scoring 12% was significant, but I don't think it is


just the new revolt against the elite. Firstly, we have always had


revolts against the elite. When Spencer Percival was assassinated in


1812, people cheered in Parliament Square. That was how his wife found


out he was dead. There has always been hatred for establishments. But


traditional Labour and Conservative, right and love politics, which have


managed to hold together liberal and affluent people with less well off


people who have security concerns, those are being pulled apart by


various economic features which we would agree on. For example, the


fact that robotics and globalisation are suppressing the wages of


unskilled workers, and they feel more insecure and they are turning


to populist movements particularly as they revolt. So you agree with


him? Not quite, because it still remains the case that political


success in the main lies with getting coalitions that bring those


groups together. And the revolts against booze parties which have


always existed have become greater and pulled those coalitions apart.


But that will not produce electoral victory. It is true to say that the


centre-left and the centre-right honour under assault almost


everywhere you look. Very much so. Part of what we are seeing is a


crisis of traditional social democracy, because the traditional


bases has fragmented. The end of the Cold War and the thankful demise of


Soviet totalitarianism was spun as the end of history so that was seen


as not just the Revolutionary Communist left, but even social


democracy was doomed. Then there was the financial crash, because you had


social Democrats supporting austerity. And if you are a Social


Democrats and you don't believe in public investment, what do you have


left to say? In large part, you had a collapse in vision and a


fragmentation of the base. You talked about the primaries in the


United States. They have always disproportionately attracted


affluent voters, which is why it is difficult to draw conclusions.


People in the middle and working class people. It is important not to


dismiss... I am very happy to have Owen Jones defends the middle class


on the Daily Politics. That is why I'm here! Ever since racist Southern


states have had several rights, the Liberals have struggled to gain


power. Yesterday, shadow chancellor


John McDonnell held the latest featuring members of his


economic advisory panel. They're designed to open up


Labour's polic making They're designed to open up


Labour's policy-making and break away from


"Westminster-dominated views" The speaker was the Nobel-prize


winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, and we sent our Adam along to ask


some penetrating questions. in fact, the Shadow Chancellor's


old university, to find out what it's like on his


New Economics tour. Today's special guest,


Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize winner and


according to Wikipedia, the fifth most influential economist


in the world. He talked for really quite a long


time, but the gist is that the 1950s was the golden age of capitalism,


especially in the US, and that inequality has been getting


much worse ever since. The median income of


a full-time male worker today is today the same


as it was 40 years ago. That means that for four decades,


young men, men have not seen any


increase in their income. This in a country that says every


generation is going to be doing He reckons these two


deserve the blame for helping the rich to get


richer, in the hope that


everyone would benefit. If Reagan and Thatcher had gone,


if Reagan had come to the American people and said, "I have this


great idea for reform, I have this great reform, the result


of which is that the economy is going to grow more slowly,


but don't worry about it. All the growth that does occur


will go to the top 10%. And if you happen to be so poorly


informed that you choose to be in the bottom 90%, you're


going to be stagnant. If you choose to be in the bottom


50%, you will see your income


decline". Would the American people have


voted for that idea? And he has written a whole book


about how the rules of the economy One of the things that have gone


wrong in our economy is the growth Firms are focused


on the next quarter. are focused on the next


nanosecond. Now, you can't invest for long


in people, technology and machines for long term economic growth


if you focus on the nanosecond It was very high fibre stuff,


for a fairly highbrow audience. Are you guys Butch and Sundance,


Holmes and Watson, Batman and Robin? We are trying to raise


the level of debate. What's interesting is


that the quality of the discussions that have been


taking place have been astounding. Young people in particular have been


flocking to these meetings, with a real understanding


of society, and buzzing with ideas The prof is heading back


to his ivory tower. Following in his footsteps


on Labour's tour, the soon-to-be ex-economics


editor of Channel 4 News, Paul Mason, and the former


Greek finance minister, And we're joined now


by another member of Labour's She's Professor Anastasia


Nesvetailova and she's director of the Political Economy Research


Centre at City University in London. Welcome to the programme. Can you


give us any idea yet what kind of policies the committee is suggesting


Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell should adopt. The concrete content of


policies is still being discussed and developed what I can say is we


are on the same page in developing a more strategic role for the state.


And for economic system is able and has the resources to withstand


short-term and long-term economic risks and uncertainties. Give me an


example of how you would do that. There are two very tangible risks to


the UK Connolly, the short one is Brexit, that could lead to a lot of


losses and very little gains. -- the UK economy, the long-term danger is


a financial bank down coming from the part of the financial system


that is in the so-called shadows, the shadow bank system. The problem


is that although there is an understanding that these are risks,


and the overall economic environment globally is very pessimistic for


2016, monetary and fiscal authorities don't have the resources


to help the economy grow through a potential meltdown. Is the advisory


committee united in urging the Labour Party to keep Britain in the


European Union? Yes, we are in the same page. I personally would have


liked to have seen stronger engagement in the wider, with the


country, about the risks and losses of Brexit. I saw that Joseph


Stiglitz, who we had there, he was saying that if the EU signed up to


TTIP, the free trade agreement that the US and EU are in the process of


negotiating that have not yet agreed, the UK should consider TTIP.


Correct. There is a hypothetical sentence and that particular


statement, but I profoundly disagree with Nobel prizewinner Joseph


Stiglitz on that. You are allowed to! Thank you. I think it is a


misreading of the European project is, that the value of the UK economy


in this total big market and bigger construction is, and it is severely


underestimating the costs, the risks and the consequences of Brexit. It


is a real danger. Even with TTIP, a North Atlantic free trade


arrangement, you would still urge that we stay in? Yes. Is the Labour


leadership open to new ideas, are they soaking up everything?


Eminently so, eminently so, the format of the meetings varies. There


are numbers of parliament sitting there and it is an open discussion


on a variety of topics, then there are some more specialised topical


debates or analysis of particular issues, and there are also public


events, which take part, in terms of educating the public. Which is one


of the things we saw. Exactly, that was the first of them. Speaking just


for yourself, not the advisory committee, what is the one policy of


all others you would urge Labour to adopt? Strategic role for the state,


investment in people and infrastructure, for balancing the


financial economic divide. That is an aspiration, it is not a policy.


It is, but with this aspiration comes a concrete set of


institutions. And you have that to give to Labour? Together, yes. When


will we get a report? You will have to ask them! We will, Professor,


thank you. Now, if you were worrying


that we haven't mentioned the EU referendum in the last


few minutes, fear not. We're going to take a look at some


new research by the pollster YouGov which claims to rank every part


of the country according to how much it's in favour of, or against,


our continued membership Ellie, who dreamed of being


a weather presenter, before accepting


defeat and becoming a political correspondent, is here


with the Eurosceptic forecast They didn't even trust me with one


of those clicking things, but there were go.


So let's have a look at where the winds of euroscepticism


- and of europhilia - are blowing across the UK,


according to the pollster YouGov, which has based its work


There's a real storm of criticism of our continued membership


of the EU here in the London borough of Havering, which the research


named the most eurosceptic place in Britain.


But Havering goes against the trend for London, as five of the ten most


europhile boroughs are in the capital.


They are Lambeth, Camden, Southwark, Hackney and Brent.


According to YouGov, there's a real hotspot in favour


of membership in Ceredigion in rural West Wales,


that's been named the most pro-EU place in the country.


It is followed by Aberdeen and Stirling, and, elsewhere


in Scotland, West Dunbartonshire and the city of Edinburgh feature


On the Eurosceptic side, all of the areas most likely


There're a strong band of them here in the South East,


with Peterborough, Bracknell Forest, and the coastal town


of Southend-on-Sea all on the satellite.


That Eurosceptic breeze is also to be keenly felt on the northwest


coast in Blackpool, as well as in nearby Blackburn,


then down the road a little bit in sunny Warrington,


South Tyneside is in for some spells of euroscepticism, as is the borough


Andrew, back to you for some more sunshine.


We always have sunshine! Thanks, Delhi.


And Joe Twyman of the research firm YouGov is here now.


What can you tell us about the differing demographics, by and large


of the in campaign and the out campaign, people who are likely to


vote either way? We know there are some groups who are particularly


likely to lean one way or the other. It won't be a surprise to hear that


Guardian readers wish to stay, and Daily Mail and express leaders --


readers wish to stay. But the demographics, it is to do with age.


If you are a younger person, particularly 18 to 30, you are


significantly more likely to vote to stay in, and if you are an older


person, particularly over the age of 60, who are more likely to wish to


leave. Then there are also things with education for instance. On the


map, when you look in detail, you can see that university towns are


far more likely to stay in, because university graduates are far more


likely to want to stay, whereas people with fewer educational


qualifications, they are more likely to want to go. Is there an element


of establishment in, antiestablishment out? Yes, by no


means overwhelmingly the case, there are still those who are conservative


with a small sea, and with a large sea, who wished to lead and that is


not a surprise. But there is a group of people -- who wish to leave. But


the people who left behind. You see that in some of the towns, Southend


and Clacton. Absolutely, yes. We will come back to that, thank you.


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