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Morning folks, and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
The Remain campaign has been handed yet more ammunition for its claims | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
that leaving the EU would harm the economy. | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
This time, from on highly respected think-tank which says it could mean | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
We'll be taking stock of all George Osborne's scary stories | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
and asking if they're more fairytale or just grim economic reality. | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
Speaking of George Osborne, he'll be standing in for David Cameron | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
We'll have all the action live from noon. | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
We've previously heard from military leaders backing Remain. | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
Today, we'll talk to one of the retired senior officers | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
claiming that a vote to leave will aid our defence and security. | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
And, as both sides of the referendum debate reach out to young voters, | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
former DJ Mike Reed will join us to discuss what's gone wrong | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
All that in the next hour and a half. | :01:31. | :01:39. | |
And with us for the whole of the programme today, | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
speaking of scary things, it's the cabinet office minister Matt Hancock | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
Gisela is supporting a Leave vote in the EU referendum | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
and is well known for disagreeing with her party's position | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
on some of the big issues of the day. | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
Matt is supporting Remain and, well, let's just say | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
he's not exactly famous for attacking his own government. | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
So, if you're tuning in today hoping for a break from the EU referendum, | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
then prepare to be thoroughly disappointed. | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
There are plenty of stormy exchanges taking place between both sides | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
on everything from Turkey joining the EU to the NHS to farming. | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
But it's also been another week in which the Leave camp | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
has been buffeted by some big economic warnings. | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
This morning, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
a group that's usually treated with respect by most politicians, | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
has weighed in and joined the likes of the IMF, the OECD, and the Bank | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
of England in saying that a vote to leave would harm the economy. | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
And it comes, of course, after a series of warnings | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
from David Cameron and George Osborne. | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
Jo is going to remind us of some of their most frightening assessments. | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
Yes, with all these bleak economic forecasts around, | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
you can see why critics have accused the Remain camp of relying on scary | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
Last month, George Osborne looked far into the future and warned | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
a vote for Brexit could leave families ?4,300 worse off by 2030. | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
And this week, voters may have been spooked by his new Treasury report | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
claiming a vote to leave would tip the UK into | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
a year-long recession, costing, he said, 820,000 jobs. | :03:15. | :03:24. | |
Homeowners may have felt a chill down their spine when the Chancellor | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
said house prices could fall by up to 18%. | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
David Cameron then raised the spectre of more expensive | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
holidays as early as this summer, by as much as ?230. | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
But probably the scariest of scare stories from the Prime Minister | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
was his claim that Brexit could lead to another war in Europe. | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
The Remain camp reject claims they're relying on fear, | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
and accuse Leave campaigners of preferring conspiracy theories. | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
Let's see how the story ends in just under a month. | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
So, those are the economic warnings coming from Numbers 10 and 11. | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
And, this morning, they've been able to add to their arsenal the verdict | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
on Brexit of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, which said | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
a vote to leave could lead to two more years of austerity. | :04:06. | :04:17. | |
In 2019 as it says it does, that would require another ?5 billion of | :04:18. | :04:26. | |
public spenting cuts, 5 billion pud of security cuts and tax increases. | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
Most likely, what the Government will decide to do is let's have | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
another year or two of austerity. This is just adding a year or two to | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
the decade long us astery. Something we can cope with but another year of | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
spending cuts to come It came on the Treasury short-term predictions of | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
what would happen if we leave. It said if we left the EU we would fall | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
into recession. How deep does it say that recession would be? It says | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
there will be a recession, as in more than two quarters of negative | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
economic growth. How bad would it be? It would be bad for people who | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
lost their jobs. We lost 7% of our GDP after the 2008 financial crash. | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
How much is the report predicting this time? The report predicts the | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
recession would be four quarters long. And that growth would go | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
negative. By how much? Well, there's numbers for each of the four | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
quarters. How much are they? Between 0% and minus 1%. No, it's not | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
actually. It is actually. The central forecast is that four the | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
period you predict a recession, the loss of GDP is.1% per quarter. I'll | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
repeat that again. 0.1%. And what about... 0.1% negative involves | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs. People losing | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
their livelihoods. The key is this, it's not just the Treasury. The Bank | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
of England said there could be a technical recession. You say | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
hundreds of thousands of jobs. We only lost several hundred,000 jobs | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
when we lost 7% of our GDP after 2008. So, why would a 0.1%, I say | :06:21. | :06:29. | |
again, 0.1%, fall in GDP in any one quarter mean the loss of hundreds of | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
thousands of jobs? Because that's what the Treasury forecast says. I | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
know that. I'm asking you why. Because when the he he goes into | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
recession, people lose their jobs. Not by 0.1%. Yes. Let's move on. | :06:46. | :06:56. | |
This.1% fall in GDP for four quarters, but it's 0.1% each | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
quarter, that also assumes that the Government and the Bank of England | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
take no remedial action, do nothing to counter recession, correct? | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
That's at assumption. No, you're wrong. What is the assumption? It | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
assumes the autofiscal stabilisers will work. The Government's policy. | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
But the Government will do nothing else? It is backed up by the Bank of | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
England, the national institute, by all of the others. Of course, they | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
all use roughly the same model. No, they don't have the same model. It | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
has nothing to do with the questions I'm asking. Let's stick with this. | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
On the contrary, Andrew. Can we get it established, the 0.1% fall in GDP | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
in a quarter does assume other than the automatic stabilisers which the | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
Government doesn't do anything about, that it assumes no change in | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
fiscal policy or interest rate policy by the bank: Correct? If you | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
allow me to answer the question which I was aeh answering before you | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
inTerre uppeded last time, the Bank of England interest rates are close | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
to zero. Fiscal policy is constrained by high debt levels. The | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
automatic stabilisers are the fiscal response we, as a Government, are | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
allowed to operate. This is a response. I want to come back to | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
this point about jobs. You seem to be dismissing an idea of a recession | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
because you think a recession won't have a big impact. It will have a | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
significant impact. That's the core message. I'm simply trying to work | :08:29. | :08:36. | |
out why a recession which, pie your own report's prediction, would be | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
0.1% a quarter for four quarters would lead to a huge collapse in | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
house prices and increase in jobs when far deeper recessions have not | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
done the same. Not an increase in jobs. A loss of jobs. That's the | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
damage I'm worried about. Why would the bank not cut interest rates? | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
They are already at 00.5%. They are lower in Japan, the central bank, | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
lower in Sweden, lower in Switzerland. Why not cut interest | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
rates further? Why would it not increase QE. Name a recession we've | :09:10. | :09:17. | |
ever had, even one as smalls you're predicting where there was no | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
response from the Government or central bank. Neither you nor I | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
could name a recession we chose to go into by voting for something we | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
don't have to. We can. Your last Government. The European exchange | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
rate mechanism. Crucially where we go in with interest rates at already | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
record low levels. It comes back to this point, there is a big economic | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
risk. When you put screens up like that, the big book of scary story, | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
right, this is about worrying about people's livelihoods and people's | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
jobs. It is my duty, because I fear that consequence of a Brexit vote, | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
it's my duty to set out that what I think will happen and protect the | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
British people from it. Everybody thinks, the very least in the | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
short-term, there would be problems for the economy. Everybody. I ask | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
you, if that's the case. Why, before Christmas, did the Prime Minister | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
say it would be perfectly all right outside the EU. Why did he call this | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
referendum if it's such a clear case. You're answering my question | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
by asking a different question. I'm saying to you, it is a reasonable | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
concern, the short-term. The Prime Minister may be entirely wrong. | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
That's not what I'm asking you. It is a reasonable concern, given that | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
every major economic authority says there will be a short-term set back | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
to the economy. That's a concern? Let me meet that. It is a concern. | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
It is really not helpful if you have a Prime Minister who spends his | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
whole time talking down the markets. He's partly creating some of the | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
problems which you are warning us of. What I find extraordinary, even | :11:02. | :11:08. | |
the Prime Minister's best efforts to say the pound will decline, the | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
pound hasn't been declining. So, what's your problem? No, what's your | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
problem? The problem saying he's talking down the economy, he's not | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
managing to do it. What's your problem? Back to the question I | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
asked you. What are people to make when they vote on June 23rd | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
wheneverry authority says broadly the same thing, different in scale, | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
but if we vote to leave, there will, at the very least, be short-term set | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
back to the economy? It is a concern that's been pulled together by a | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
Prime Minister when even when negotiating was lining up the big | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
businesses. What you will have, just as you go into the again Lal | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
election, there are periods when democratic decisions, the outcome's | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
not clear. You create a small period of uncertainty. Then the markets | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
will recover. Let he in ask you this. Why does your side of the | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
argument continue to use this figure that we, the country, send ?350 | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
million a week as our membership fee to the European Union when you know | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
that's not true? The ONS pink book says our annual contribution to the | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
EU institutions is ?19.1 billion. Why are you shaking your head? | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
Because the ONS themselves said that was misleading. Today, the IFS said | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
it's absurd. Do you agree with the IFS or not? Is If the ONS wishes to | :12:37. | :12:44. | |
change its column... They called that statistic misleading. The IFS | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
today said it is absurd. The only response to that is to attack the | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
ONS from the Leave side. You're quite right, it appears in the | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
accounts. That's an accountancy matter. You know, as well as I do, | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
we don't sent that amount of money. It does not physically leave London | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
and go to Brussels. You know that. What I also know... You do know it? | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
If you want to say the ONS should represent our annual contribution | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
differently... It does do that. It takes the abatement off. Let me | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
finish. The abatement which is continually up-renegotiation in 2020 | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
and it is reducing... Just take a deep breath and wake a moment. It is | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
?5 billion at the moment. The second is with very strict conditions how | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
we spend it. Our point is you can take control. If you vote Leave | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
leave, you take control over that and decide how to spend it. Sir | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
Andrew dill not is the chair of the UK statistics authority. He says, I | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
note the use of the ?350 million figure. It appears to be a gross | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
figure which does not take into account the rebate or other flows | :14:03. | :14:09. | |
from the UK from the EU to the UK public sector. They come to about | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
?4.5 billion. Farming and regional subsidies. City initiatives which | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
come from here and get finance from the EU. Without further | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
explanations, I think these statements of misleading. It is the | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
grows contribution. Ever since the days of Margaret Thatcher, roughly | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
speaking for every ?2 we pay in, we get 1 back in conditions. Do you | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
accept we don't send the rebate. They send it back? The proper name | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
is not the rebate. It is the abatement. So, out of the ?18 | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
billion a year we send, I speak roughly in these figures, we take | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
the 5 billion abatement off and send ?13 billion which is not ?350 | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
million a week. Can we agree on these facts? Can we also agree... | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
No, just agree on that first? The abatement is paid in retrospect and | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
continuously open to renegotiation. Not continuously. Now and then. Your | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
last Government gave it a bit of it away. It is roughly ?5 billion at | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
the moment? I'm talking about the entire envelope we we would have | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
decisions to spend the money again. That's the difference. This morning. | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
The Institute for Fiscal Studies looked at these questions. They said | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
for the 350 million figure to be right, we'd have to assume we no | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
longer paid anything in but still got the rebate or abatement back. | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
They describe that is an absurd. Do you agree that the Institute for | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
Fiscal Studies is a grown-up economic organisation that's | :15:54. | :15:53. | |
credible? I do. It also receives 11% of its | :15:54. | :16:06. | |
funding from the EU. If 11% of my salary came from one source, despite | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
the respect with which it was held, people would have a right to say it | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
had been bought. I'm saying it is serious but we ought to knowledge | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
the money is coming from. You get ?26,000 a year from a source that | :16:28. | :16:35. | |
gets funding from a European source? Are you compromised? My funding | :16:36. | :16:44. | |
comes from that. Why has the Treasury or the government not as | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
the Office for Budget Responsibility to look at the effect of leaving? | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
Because by statute the Office for Budget Responsibility is required | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
only to look at existing government policy and government policy is to | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
remain within the European Union. That is why it can't. All the | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
shows... Treasury forecasts are reliable and you want to give people | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
a fair choice. Why would you not ask the very body that was set to | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
overcome the buyers of Treasury forecasts to look at and then the | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
British people could make a choice. I have just answered. I statute it | :17:23. | :17:31. | |
looks at government policy. You set up the OBR, Mr Osborne explained | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
that he had to do this because the Treasury forecasts were so | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
unreliable. Now you are expecting us to believe them. These are Treasury | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
forecasts. It is not just the Treasury, it is the National | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
Institute, the Bank of England... The Treasury has made a forecasts | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
and you have set up a separate body because it is a unreliable. Why | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
should we believe it? What I'm asking you to do is believe the | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
combination of the Bank of England, I've gone through this over and over | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
again. I have made that point. When not trying to hide that. One final | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
question, the ISS implies that there could be another two years of | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
austerity if we leave the EU. We've already had six years under your | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
government and there is at least another two or three coming anyway | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
whether we stay inside or outside. Why would it make much difference? | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
If you're attacking the integrity of the ISS, you're losing in this | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
campaign. That's what we're saying. Their campaign is in chaos and they | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
are losing the argument. Given your government's record on prolonged | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
asperity with more to come, why would another two years make that | :18:48. | :18:55. | |
much of a difference? I don't want to see jobs lost or fixing the books | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
any more difficult than it is and I don't want to see another recession. | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
That is what all these different economic groups are same would | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
happen. Over to you. Hanley more days to go? | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
Now, there's no David Cameron at PMQs today, | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
he's off to a meeting of the G7 in Japan, | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
and George Osborne is standing in opposite Angela Eagle for Labour. | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
Following last year's General Election, the chancellor was seen | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
as something of a shoo-in to take over as Prime Minister | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
But even before this bruising referendum campaign, | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
his reputation had suffered something of a knock | :19:31. | :19:32. | |
From next year, we will reduce the level of earnings at which a | :19:33. | :19:42. | |
household tax credits and universal credits start to be withdrawn. Stop | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
this wrong-headed and ill walk-through piece of legislation. | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
These proposals latently threatened damage to millions of our fellow | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
citizens. I've listened to the concerns, I a and understand them, | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
the simplest thing to do is not to phase the changes in but avoid them | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
altogether. To give more power to counties and new Mayers, we are | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
giving them the powers to set Sunday trading hours in their areas. The | :20:13. | :20:24. | |
eyes, to the right. 317. The knows to the left, 318. We will be | :20:25. | :20:34. | |
spending more in real terms supporting disabled people than at | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
any point during the last Labour government. That is deeply unfair | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
and that unfairness is damaging to the government and the party and | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
damaging to the public. We will not be going ahead to the changes to PIP | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
that had been put forward. We're going to score complete the task of | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
setting schools free from local education bureaucracy and were going | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
to do it in this Parliament. We have decided it is not necessary to take | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
blanket powers to convert good schools in strong local authorities | :21:12. | :21:12. | |
into academies at this time. Nicky Morgan mayor. Why has he got | :21:13. | :21:22. | |
it wrong on so many occasions and been forced to change policy? The | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
government has a clear direction and we have put forward a huge amount of | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
policies to get there. Why has he had to U-turn on so many key pieces | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
of legislation. Tax credits, changes to PIP, Sunday trading and | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
academies? You set out a whole series across the government. They | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
are all from George Osborne. George Osborne announced the academies. An | :21:50. | :21:58. | |
academies, our aim is to complete the academies Asian process. They | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
are clearly the best way to drive up standards. My question is, why has | :22:03. | :22:10. | |
George Osborne got it wrong on key pieces of legislation and been | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
forced to dramatically U-turn? The goal on academies is exactly the | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
right one. The government wanted to Compal schools to become academies | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
and now they are not. He's had to change on tax credits and disability | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
payments, things he really wanted to do on adjustments on welfare and now | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
he can't. Why does he get it wrong? What we're doing is setting out | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
long-term goals and then there are lots of different ways to get there. | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
That is part of how a government best operates. To say, the most | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
important thing is what we're doing on the economy. Millions of jobs | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
being created, schools, academies, there are roots of getting there. | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
You set out your goals very clearly and work your way there. You admit | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
he has had to change his route and some of the goals he's not going to | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
meet in the way he wanted to. Why is that? Dissent on the Tory | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
backbenches? Obviously, when you have a majority of 12, it is | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
different to operating under a larger majority. For two decades, | :23:24. | :23:33. | |
Britain is used to majorities of 50 or more. It is his party on most of | :23:34. | :23:41. | |
these issues that is rebelling. In one case it was the house of lords. | :23:42. | :23:49. | |
As you say, in one case but there is a lot of dissent. Is it because | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
there is and trust in George Osborne? Has he lost credibility? He | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
can't persuade people. Academies is a very good example, the goal is | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
clear, all schools becoming academies. Actually, the change we | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
have made is that we don't Compal schools to become academies where | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
local authorities... But you're not going to do that now. Belo the goal | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
is to get a full academies. Just 11% believe George Osborne is | :24:26. | :24:37. | |
up to the job of running the country. Do you think he has lost | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
his credibility as a result of these U-turns? No, I will tell you why, he | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
can demonstrate on the economy, on job creation, an making sure we can | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
turn around the deficit and bring that down, on all of these things, | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
there is a clear direction and sticking to that direction, despite | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
things that are thrown at Oz is what that is all about. Will we watch | :25:05. | :25:13. | |
Tory MPs cheering him on even those who want to campaign to leave? We | :25:14. | :25:21. | |
will see. We are united on so many things about implementing the | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
manifesto on which we were elected just over a year ago. You expect him | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
to be cheered from the rafters? Of course. Especially because the areas | :25:32. | :25:42. | |
other than the European issue, and academies and academies and the tax | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
credits and other things they disagree with him on. He is missing | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
Danny Alexander. He only got through the last parliament because Danny | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
Alexander hold him back. Angela Eagle is up today. Will she be | :25:57. | :26:07. | |
brilliant. She will be brilliant. What about Jeremy Corbyn? She will | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
be punchier. She has had lots of practice at this. | :26:14. | :26:15. | |
Now, the Remain campaign yesterday launched a social media campaign | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
designed to reach the "Easyjet generation", | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
which apparently consists of young people | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
who take unrestricted travel around Europe for granted, | :26:24. | :26:25. | |
but are less likely to be registered to vote. | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
And as we all know if there's one thing young people love, | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
it's dropping the "g" from the present participle. | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
So the campaign's messages include: workin', earnin', makin', votin'. | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
and chillin', meetin', tourin', votin'. | :26:44. | :26:56. | |
And, as we at the Daily Politics know a thing or two | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
about communicating with young people | :27:00. | :27:00. | |
- we believe we've got as many as several viewers under 45 | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
- we've come up with our own campaign to help explain our | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
Guess The Year competition to all you millennials out there. | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
Here it is - and I think we can all agree that | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
tells you how exactly how it works, no further explainin' needed. | :27:22. | :27:32. | |
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All you have to do is tell us when this happened. | :27:45. | :27:54. | |
I have resigned from the Cabinet and I will make a full statement today. | :27:55. | :28:20. | |
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To be in with a chance of winning a Daily Politics mug, | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
send your answer to our special quiz email address - | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
Entries must arrive by 12.30 today, and you can see the full terms | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
and conditions for Guess The Year on our website - | :29:16. | :29:17. | |
You'd think I'd know it by now. I've said it about 4 million times. | :29:18. | :29:35. | |
There's a whole lot of tweets from young people coming in. Three now. | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
It's coming. It's coming up to midday here, | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
just take a look at Big Ben yes, Prime Minister's | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
Questions is on its way. And that's not all, | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
Laura Kuenssberg is here. The Prime Minister is in Japan. He | :29:49. | :30:01. | |
is big in Japan, I think. Do you remember that song? He is with G-7 | :30:02. | :30:10. | |
finance ministers. When you say it is the B team. Some of the viewers | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
might think it is the 18. The last time we saw Angela Eagle and George | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
Osborne go together it was a very punchy session with lots of gags, | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
quite effective. Mr Osborne on the ropes a little bit. She took him to | :30:27. | :30:34. | |
task over the flooding. Also, guess what, over the EU really go see. | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
There could be a bit of that for George Osborne to handle. She might | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
want to talk about Google. George Osborne said that it was a | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
successful deal. Whereas, the French authorities have raided the Google | :30:53. | :30:55. | |
offices in the last couple of days in what people think is a different, | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
far braver approach. Isn't the answer likely to be, I've got 130 | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
million, how much of the French got? Or, actually, under a Labour | :31:08. | :31:15. | |
government, Google had to a tiny amounts. It was in start-up phase | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
them. It's hard to tell what's going on in France because they are all on | :31:22. | :31:30. | |
strike. 25% of petrol stations have no petrol. There has been an air | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
strike and an air traffic control strike. It's hard to tell who is | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
doing the raiding and who's doing the striking. Interesting to see if | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
the much tougher tactics of the French get more in the end than Mr | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
Osborne has got. When we talk about cracking down on tax avoidance and | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
tax evasion which are very different things, are you better to have | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
conversations behind closed doors and work with people, or other | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
countries in the hope of getting somewhere or if you take a | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
sledgehammer to crack a nut do people pack of two other countries | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
using their better lawyers and accountants and better resources | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
than the tax authorities have. That's always been a difficult | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
balance to strike. It's something that Jeremy Corbyn feel strongly | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
about. He would argue that the government hasn't taken a tough | :32:20. | :32:31. | |
enough approach. I'm sure that many members of the government would | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
argue that they have moved significantly forward but tried to | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
take a more cooperative approach rather than just using a | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
sledgehammer. Maybe a French sledgehammer could do the job | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
better. It is tied up with European tax rules which for a long while | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
encouraged these big multinationals to position their intellectual | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
property rights mainly in Luxembourg or Dublin and that allowed them to | :32:50. | :32:58. | |
say they were paying zillions to use the name. And inside the single | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
market people can move their money and business around very easily. In | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
many cases, economists would say it was a big benefit. In this case, | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
perhaps the opposite. Someone who is trying to bring this into the | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
European debate as he did a couple of weeks ago, Gordon Brown is trying | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
to put forward easier crackdowns on tax baddies, if we say inside the EU | :33:27. | :33:35. | |
and losing that if we leave. Didn't he invent half the rules that people | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
have used to avoid tax. THE SPEAKER: There's a process to | :33:38. | :33:53. | |
follow. Wait his turn! Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, as always. | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
The Prime Minister's attending the G7 in Japan. I've been asked to | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
reply on his MAFF. This morning I'd meetings in ministerial colleagues. | :34:04. | :34:09. | |
In addition to my duties in this House, I will have meetings again | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
later today. I'm sure members 07 sit will disagree. The first priority of | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
any Government is the defence and security of our country. Therefore, | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
could the Chancellor outline for me, the steps this Government is taking | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
to replace our Trident nuclear defence? My honourable friend is | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
right. The first duty of Government is to defend the country. To for | :34:34. | :34:41. | |
almost 70 years an independent nuclear deterrent has provided the | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
ultimate insurance of four freedom. We'll renew Trident deterrent, | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
bridge forward votes in this House. We ask MPs from all sides of the | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
House to support this commitment to our national security. When she | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
stands up, the honourable lady representing the Labour Party should | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
inti Kate that support today. THE SPEAKER: Angela e Eagle. Thank | :35:05. | :35:13. | |
you, thank you, Mr Speaker. We look forward to the vote on Trident. And | :35:14. | :35:22. | |
he should get on with it! Mr Speaker, given the overnight news of | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
the French authority's dawn raid on Google investigating allegations of | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
aggravated financial fraud and money laundering, does the Chancellor now | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
regret calling his cosy little tax deal with the same company good news | :35:37. | :35:43. | |
for the British taxpayer? Well, it is good news that we are collecting | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
money in tax from companies that paid no tax when the Labour Party | :35:50. | :35:57. | |
was in office. Sand she seems to forget, she was the exchequer's | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
secretary in the last Government. So, perhaps, when she stands up, she | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
can tell us whether she ever raised with the Inland Revenue at the time, | :36:07. | :36:18. | |
the tax affairs of Google? Mr Speaker, I think obviously the | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
Chancellor has done a bit more research this time. I regard that as | :36:22. | :36:31. | |
a compliment! Mr Speaker, I think from that answer, that the | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
Chancellor is far too easily satisfied with his cosy little tax. | :36:38. | :36:47. | |
I note that even the honourable member for Uxbridge and rice lip | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
labelled this cosy little deal derisory. The British public think | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
it's even worse. Despite all the rhetoric on his watch, the tax gap | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
has actually gone up. His tax deal with the Swiss raised a fraction of | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
the revenue he boasted that it would. And the OBR blaming the lack | :37:08. | :37:15. | |
of resources in Revenue Customs. So why, Mr Speaker, has he sacked | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
11,000 tax staff since 2010? And when is he going to give them the | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
resources they need to do a proper job? Well, we increased resources | :37:27. | :37:35. | |
for the HMRC to tackle tax evasion and avoidance. We've introdeuced a | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
diverted profits tax so companies like Google can't shift their | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
profits offshore nil. We made sure the banks pay a higher tax charge | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
than they ever did under the last Labour Government. I come back to | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
this, she was a Treasury minister, stood at this dispatch box. She's | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
asking me what we've done to tackle tax evasion and tax avoidance. Did | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
she ever raise, as the exchequer secretary, the tax affairs of | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
Google? We should know this before she asks questions of this | :38:11. | :38:17. | |
Government. Mr Speaker... THE SPEAKER: Members must calm | :38:18. | :38:26. | |
themselves! And remain calm. Order! On both sides, they should take the | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
lead from the right honourable and learned gentlemen, the member for | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
Rushcliffe who's always sitting calm in a statistics manlike manner. | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
That's the way to behave. An loo eagle. We all have the greatest | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
respect for the Right Honourable Member for Rushcliffe. The | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
Chancellor of the exchequer will know the exchequer secretary deems | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
with taxes on vices not Google. I did my job in taxing vices when I | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
was in the Treasury. He will be judged on results. He's been in | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
office for six years. With France demanding ten times more from Google | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
than he is, the public will make their own judgment. Mr Speaker, | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
while Labour is campaigning to ensure the UK remains in the | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
European Union because it's the best way to defend rights at work, as | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
well as jobs and prosperity, the party opposite is split right down | :39:34. | :39:50. | |
the middle. And... Mr Speaker, it's descending into vicious acrimony. | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
Last week, the Employment Minister... Last week... Mr Speaker, | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
last week the Employment Minister called for Brexit so there could be | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
a bonfire of workers' rights. Does the Chancellor agree with her or | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
does he agree with Len McCluskey that a vote to stay in the European | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
Union is the best deal for Britain's workers? First of all, she confirmed | :40:14. | :40:22. | |
that when she was in the Treasury, she asked absolutely no questions | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
about the tax affairs of Google. When it comes to the European Union, | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
as she knows, she agree on this, I think it's better Britain remains in | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
the European Union. Why don't we have consensus on other issues, like | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
having an independent nuclear deterrent. Let's have a consensus on | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
supporting businesses rather than disparaging businesses. Let's have a | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
consensus and not piling debts on the next generation but dealing with | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
our deficit. Let's have a consensus the parties in this House should | :41:00. | :41:07. | |
have a credible economic policy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I think he's | :41:08. | :41:16. | |
just agreed with Len McCluskey. The former work and Spences -- Work and | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
Pensions Secretary said this week the Chancellor's Brexit report | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
should not be believed by anyone. He branded the Chancellor Pinnochio | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
with his nose just getting longser and longer with every fib. | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
Meanwhile, the General Secretary to the TUC said the Trish remember's | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
report caves us half a million good reasons to stay in the European | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
Union. Who should the public listen to? I don't think it's any great | :41:48. | :42:00. | |
revelation that different Conservative MPs have different | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
views on the European Union. That's why we're having a referendum. | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
Because this issue does divide parties and families and friends. | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
And we made a commitment in our manifesto that the British people | :42:17. | :42:24. | |
would decide this question. I might just observe, if she wants to talk | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
about divisions in parties, whilst she's sitting here, the leader of | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
the Labour Party is sitting at home wondering whether to impeach the | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
former member of the Labour Party for war crimes. Mr Speaker, I'm glad | :42:37. | :42:46. | |
he agrees with Francis O'Grady. A pitty he can't get half his | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
backbenches and his own party to agree with him. Given that the | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
former Work and Pensions Secretary has just called the Prime Minister | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
disingenuous and the former Tory Mayor of London called him | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
Demmeented, I -- demeanted, I wouldn't talk about Labour splits. | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
He needs to get his own house in order. Following the second | :43:09. | :43:16. | |
omnishambles budget this year, the Chancellor's approval rating have | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
collapse by 80 points amongst his own party. Given he seems to be | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
following a similar career path... Begin he seems to be following a | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
similar career path, isn't it time he turned to Michael Portillo for | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
advice? Last week, the former would be leader said of the Queen's | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
Speech, after 23 years of careful thought about what they would like | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
to do in power... Order. This question will be heard. Those | :43:44. | :43:51. | |
preyting away should cease doing so, it is stupid and counter-productive. | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
After 23 years of careful thought about what they would like to do in | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
power, Michael Portillo said, the answer is nothing. There is nothing | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
they want to do with office or power. The Government has nothing to | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
do, nothing to say and thinks nothing. That's what he said. But | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
even this nothing Queen's Speech has caused a revolt on his own | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
backbenches and caused another U-turn to force the Government to | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
defeat in its legislative programme in 92 years. Mr Speaker... Mr | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
Speaker, doesn't that tell you all you need to know about this Prime | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
Minister and Chancellor? It seems they can't even get their | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
backbenches to vote for them. Nothing without a fight. I tell you | :44:40. | :44:47. | |
what we've done in recent weeks, we've taken another million people | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
out of tax altogether. We have frozen fuel duty. We've cut business | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
rates for small businesses. We've seen the deficit fall by another ?16 | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
billion. We delivered a record number of jobs and introduced a | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
national living wage. That's what we've been up to. What have the | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
Labour Party been up to? She talks of ewe turns. They've turned the | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
Labour Party from a party that gave Britain its nuclear deterrent to a | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
pear that wants to scrap it. A party that created the academies programme | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
which now wants to abolish them. A party that once courted businesses | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
now disparages them. The prawn cocktail offences is just plain | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
offensive these days. They've gone from a Labour Party that won | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
elections to a Labour Party that's going to go on losing though | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
elections. Mr Speaker, with 29 days to go | :45:43. | :45:53. | |
before the most important decision in this country has faced in a | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
generation we have a government in utter chaos, split down the middle, | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
at war with itself, the stakes could not be higher and yet this | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
government is at the mercy of its own rebel backbenchers, unable to | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
get their agenda through Parliament, instead of providing the leadership | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
the country needs they are facing a bitter proxy war over the leadership | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
of their party. I noticed that all of the Brexit supporters have been | :46:24. | :46:31. | |
banished from the front bench. CHEERING | :46:32. | :46:46. | |
Well, Mr Speaker... It's nice to see the Justice Secretary here. I think | :46:47. | :46:52. | |
the Chancellor has put the rest of his Brexit colleagues in detention. | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
Instead of providing the leadership the country needs they are fighting | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
a bitter proxy war over the leadership of their own party | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
instead of focusing on the national interest, they are focusing on their | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
narrow self-interest. We need a government that will do the best for | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
Britain. What we've got is a Conservative Party focused only on | :47:18. | :47:25. | |
themselves. CHEERING She talks about our Parliamentary | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
party, let's look at hers. They are like rats deserting a sinking ship. | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
We've got the shadow health minister wants to be the mayor for Liverpool, | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
the member for Bury South wants to be the mayor for Manchester. The | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
shadow leader wants to be the mayor for both cities. When we said we | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
were creating job opportunities, we didn't mean for the whole Shadow | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
Cabinet. They are like a Parliamentary party on day release, | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
are they? When the honourable lady is here, they know the member for | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
Islington will be back and it is four more years of hard labour. | :48:06. | :48:13. | |
Today we are voting on a Queens speech that delivers economic | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
security, protects national security, enhances life chances for | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
the disadvantaged, it doesn't matter who stands at the dispatch box for | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
the Labour Party, these days they are dismantling our defences, | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
wrecking our economy, burdening people with debt and in their own | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
report published this week called Labour Pars future, surprisingly | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
long, they say this, they are becoming increasingly irrelevant to | :48:44. | :48:51. | |
the working people of Britain. CHEERING | :48:52. | :49:01. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker, what a privilege it is to be called by you. | :49:02. | :49:13. | |
If the Remain campaign has its way, I will have two apply to Jean-Claude | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
Juncker by e-mail to speak. A wonderful example of European, not | :49:19. | :49:28. | |
EU, cooperation. The Fuser Large is built in this country and the wings | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
in Germany. Whether we remain inside or outside the EU will have no | :49:33. | :49:39. | |
affect on this business. As the Chancellor knows, it is trade and | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
hard work of businessmen and women that create jobs and prosperity not | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
politicians and bureaucrats. It is their job is to nurture growth and | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
enterprise... Order! I was looking for? For a question. Does my right | :49:59. | :50:12. | |
honourable friend agree it is to nurture business and not make | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
threats against enterprise and aspiration? Icon plie agree with my | :50:15. | :50:22. | |
honourable friend that jobs and enterprise are created through the | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
ingenuity of private businesses that we should support and nurture in | :50:27. | :50:35. | |
this house. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Lachlan brain is seven | :50:36. | :50:43. | |
years old and he attends the Gaelic medium primary school in Dingwall in | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
the Scottish Highlands. Next week, as the Home Secretary is currently | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
briefing him, the home Department plans to deport him and his family | :50:55. | :51:01. | |
despite the fact that he arrived through a Scottish Government | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
initiative from the Home Office to attract people to live and work in | :51:08. | :51:14. | |
the region. This case has been front page news in Scotland. What does the | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
Chancellor have to say to his family and the community who want him to | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
stay? As I understand it, the family don't meet the immigration criteria. | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
The Home Secretary says she is very happy to write to the Aiton | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
honourable gentleman on the details of the specific case. This has been | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
going on for weeks and that frankly is not good enough. Appeals have | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
been made to the Home Secretary by the First Minister, the local MP, | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
the local MSP, the community, it is wall-to-wall across the media of | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
Scotland and the Chancellor of the Exchequer clearly knew nothing about | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
it. The problem in the Highlands of Scotland is not immigration, it has | :52:01. | :52:08. | |
been emigration. Even at this late stage, knowing nothing about it, | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
speak to the Home Secretary, speak to the Prime Minister and get this | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
sort of -- sorted out. The Home Secretary will write on the details | :52:22. | :52:31. | |
of the case. Can I suggest to the Scottish Nationalists party, they | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
have substantial tax and enterprise powers and if they want to attract | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
people to the Highlands of Scotland, why don't they create an | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
entrepreneurial Scotland that people want to move to from the rest of the | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
United Kingdom where they can grow their business and have a successful | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
life? Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Why is the Chilcott | :52:55. | :53:07. | |
reported not being published before the referendum? Is it because the | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
Prime Minister and the Chancellor don't want the public to be reminded | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
how the government of the day and the establishment are prepared to | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
produce dodgy dossiers, make things up and distort the facts to con the | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
public into supporting something they otherwise wouldn't ahead of the | :53:24. | :53:31. | |
EU referendum? No, because it is an independent report and they decide | :53:32. | :53:38. | |
when to produce it. In the spirit of consensus Mr Speaker, may I say that | :53:39. | :53:45. | |
there are few things that unite the house more than a concentration on | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
the periodic reviews of the boundary commission which has been studied | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
with fierce intensity and covered as eyes. We do note that the electorate | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
of the royal Boehner of Kensington and Chelsea has declined preserver | :54:00. | :54:06. | |
severely -- precipitately and against all logic. Should the Prime | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
Minister be concerned about this and what should he be doing? I thought | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
he was the member of party -- parliament for Ealing. They are | :54:19. | :54:25. | |
drawing up the boundaries and we will see their proposals. | :54:26. | :54:37. | |
Will the Chancellor, Barnardo 's, the oldest children's charity | :54:38. | :54:46. | |
celebrating 150 years of supporting and protecting the honourable | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
children? Does he agree that young people need support beyond the age | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
of 18 to maximise life chances and that the government knew care | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
leavers, and which extends the duty of care to 25 is a fitting way to | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
build an Barnardo 's proud history of giving young people best | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
opportunities in life? I certainly agree with my right honourable | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
friend that Barnardos is a brilliant charity and we should congratulate | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
them on the work that they do. We have huge responsibility to the | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
people in the care of the state and that does not end when they are 18 | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
years old. That's why in the Queens speech we are announcing new | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
measures to include support from a personal adviser until they are 25 | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
and make sure other bodies like local authorities have care for | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
those people and make sure all the opportunities are brought to their | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
attention. It is part of the life chances strategy that lies at the | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
heart of the Queens speech. The Chancellor wanted a march of the | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
maker. Hundreds of Steelworkers are marching for their future and their | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
communities. Why does the government backed China's bid for market | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
economy status against the interests of the steelworkers? Why does he | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
block tariffs against the interests of steelworkers. When will he put | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
the interests of steelworkers ahead of his own? Of course, our thoughts | :56:14. | :56:21. | |
are with the and their families at very difficult time. If we take a | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
step back, we should all acknowledge that there is a global crisis in the | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
steel industry that tens of thousands of jobs have been lost | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
across Europe alone and many tens of thousands Billy on that. We are | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
taking specific action today to help Tata and the port but works and | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
related works across the country and the Business Secretary has been in | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
India with the First Minister of Wales in a cross-party effort. | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
Nationally, we have taken action to reduce energy charges are an energy | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
intensive industries, we have taken action to make sure there is more | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
flexibility with emission regulations, doing everything we can | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
to help this industry at a very difficult time including making sure | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
there are top tariffs on Chinese dumping and as a result on tariffs | :57:12. | :57:22. | |
on Rebar still, those imports are down 90%. Would the Chancellor | :57:23. | :57:35. | |
comment on the fact that Lord sugar has joined the government as Empress | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
-- enterprise are show that people are abandoning the Labour Party. And | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
can he confirmed that he has no plans for a sugar tax? We have hired | :57:49. | :57:58. | |
Lord Sugar to head enterprise and he will bring knowledge and enterprise. | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
Apparently, he has told the Labour Party, you're fired! I have a | :58:04. | :58:12. | |
14-year-old autistic constituent who got on very well at primary school | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
but since moving to secondary school has found them on compromising, | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
leaving him with special school as his only option. What will the | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
Chancellor do to make sure when the independent expert group looking at | :58:29. | :58:31. | |
initial teacher training reports back that ministers will ensure that | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
specific autism training performs part of their curriculum? I think | :58:35. | :58:41. | |
the honourable lady raises an important issue and I think she will | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
have a lot of sympathy from colleagues around the house. The | :58:45. | :58:51. | |
Education Secretary has raised her concerns and shares her concerns and | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
has raised the issue with the chair of the initial teacher training | :58:56. | :58:59. | |
review Stephen Mundie and her efforts will be to ensure that | :59:00. | :59:05. | |
teacher training supports children with special educational needs, | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
specifically autism, and will recommend how teacher training | :59:12. | :59:13. | |
should cover this in the report which will be published shortly. My | :59:14. | :59:25. | |
local clinical commissioning group are reporting on the report leading | :59:26. | :59:36. | |
to downgrading at Doncaster infirmary. Can we ensure that all | :59:37. | :59:43. | |
bands are on the table and that we must be able to compete with their | :59:44. | :59:57. | |
needs. Any service changes need to be made by the local NHS and they | :59:58. | :00:02. | |
need to be based on clear evidence that they will deliver better | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
outcomes for patients. It's right that these decisions are made by | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
local clinicians rather than politicians but they do need to meet | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
the key tests set out. Public and patient engagement, support from GP | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
commissioners, be based on clinical evidence and consider patient | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
choice. I would expect the local NHS to consider all these in any | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
decision they reach. The House of Commons library estimates that 4.9 | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
million UK citizens live or work in other countries and yet week in, | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
week out I meet constituents from overseas that cannot get visas, | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
residences or citizenship here and the whole of Scotland is outrage at | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
the threat of deportation for the Brain family. What is the difference | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
between an economic migrant and an expat? The honourable gentleman and | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
straights that we do have border controls in this country and we do | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
have immigration rules that need to be complied with. That is a very | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
important part of the European Union Schengen area agreements that we are | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
not part. It is of the special status we have in the European | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
Union. Would the Chancellor join me in welcoming the crew of HMS Duncan, | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
the last of the type 45 destroyers presently moored in London for the | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
Battle of Jutland commemorations. Would he support the work that the | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
all-party group is doing to ensure all Armed Forces and their families | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
have the very best housing that we can offer them? I absolutely join | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
her in welcoming the crew of HMS Duncan and celebrating all they do | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
on behalf of this country to keep us safe and to represent Britain around | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
the world and of course we return them a duty of care and that is | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
enshrined in government. That didn't exist before we came into government | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
and we are honouring our promise to honour the armed services and our | :02:08. | :02:16. | |
Navy. This government wants to raise tuition fees even higher. Why has | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
the Chancellor changed his view since 2003 when he said that you | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
wish and fees were attacks on learning? Back then, the Labour | :02:24. | :02:32. | |
Party were voting for Jewish and fees and the difference is, we | :02:33. | :02:42. | |
learned our lesson and they have forgotten theirs. -- tuition fees. | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
This has given us the best universities in the world and the | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
record number of students from disadvantaged backgrounds. They have | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
an incredible policy to abolish tuition fees that they introduced | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
and create a ?10 billion hole in the public finances. It's time they were | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
straight with students that it is completely unavoidable. | :03:10. | :03:21. | |
St Albans and many areas of the South and East need their green | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
belt, 3 million people might come into this country if we remain. | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
Which parts of the green belt will be needed to build on and where will | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
it go? We need to provide houses, homes and infrastructure for these | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
people. We made a clear commitment to protect the green belt and our | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
planning laws that we introduced and proposed to introduce do meet those | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
laws but I have to say to my honourable friend, we disagree on | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
this issue on European union membership and I see no particular | :03:59. | :04:06. | |
evidence from the Leave campaign that more people would come in. | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
Let's agree on this, we have a referendum and it is not going to be | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
up to her or me but the British people to desired. -- decide. No | :04:15. | :04:23. | |
wonder should underestimate public support for the BBC. 200,000 people | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
have signed a petition over the removal of the recipes website. The | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
government may have held back from some more extreme proposals but | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
there is still a need for concern. Will they allow MPs to provide | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
Parliamentary scrutiny that the charter renewal so Rob Lee deserves? | :04:45. | :04:53. | |
We want a great public broadcaster. We have agreed a deal with the BBC | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
that they have welcomed. On the specific issue she raises, that was | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
an operational decision by the BBC and not a decision taken by the | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
government. We have a great national public broadcaster in the BBC. We | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
don't want a newspaper in the form of the BBC. As newspapers move | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
online, the BBC want to be careful about what information they have on | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
their website so we can also have a flourishing private press. I think | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
the BBC have got that balance right. Will the Chancellor, firm and | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
explain as the House of Commons library and the ONS figures for 2015 | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
clearly show that as we export 44% of goods and services within the | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
single market, why it is that in relation to the other 27 member | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
states we run a disastrous loss or deficit on these exports of 68 | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
billion per annum, up 9 billion from last year alone whereas Germany with | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
the same 27 runs a profit or surplus of a massive 82 billion. Isn't that | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
a bad deal? We are a massive exporter of services and they | :06:14. | :06:22. | |
represent a 80% of the economy. We are home to one of the most | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
successful car industries in the world and we export to the | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
continent. We are part of the European Supply chain and that is | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
why leading businesses are in favour of is remaining in the European | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
Union. We disagree on this issue and that is why together we stood on the | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
manifesto to have a referendum and let the people decide. Thank you, Mr | :06:44. | :06:54. | |
Speaker. Headteachers, NHS, private-sector employers in my | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
constituency are telling me they have few if any qualified applicants | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
for a range of skilled roles and too many experienced staff are leaving. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
The single most common reason for this crisis is the cost of rental | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
and purchase housing in west London which the government's housing | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
policies will not addressed. Even the subsidies to buy... Order! | :07:17. | :07:25. | |
Order! I'm sorry to say to the honourable lady, one sentence with a | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
question at the end of it and we must press on. Will the Chancellor | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
acknowledge this recruitment and retention crisis and do something | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
about it? We have 25,000 more clinically trained staff in our | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
national health service but we agree with her that there is a challenge | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
of housing in London. I met with Sadik Khan earlier this week and we | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
are going to see where we can agree with others is that can address that | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
issue. In my right honourable friend's enthusiast and to bludgeon | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
the voter into supporting the European Union that they don't | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
really like, how can he justify planning to break the law? Is he | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
aware that the public Administration select committee has now published | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
three legal opinions from Speaker's Council, from... THEY TALK OVER EACH | :08:23. | :08:32. | |
OTHER I hope the sentence is coming to an | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
end with a question at the end of it. Very briefly. They make it | :08:37. | :08:46. | |
perfectly clear that it is illegal for the government to keep their | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
pro-EU propaganda on the government website during the third period. | :08:50. | :08:59. | |
Turing the period, the government will comply with the law. Can I make | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
a general observation. We have fought for the referendum which is | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
taking place with huge issues at stake about Britain's economy, | :09:09. | :09:16. | |
Britain's security and place in the world. Let's debate the substance | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
rather than the process and then the British people will feel they have | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
had a range of opinions and they can make their own mind up. The care | :09:25. | :09:32. | |
sector faces a crisis made worse by the failure of the Chancellor to | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
properly fund increases in the minimum wage. Local government | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
Association has asked the Chancellor to bring forward ?700 million of | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
care funding from 2019 to this year and next year to help with those | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
extra costs. Will the Chancellor listen to local councils and form | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
his own minimum wage policy? Of course we always listen to local | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
authorities and we have given them the power which many have used to | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
apply a social care precept and that has come in in April in many areas. | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
At the same time, we have put more money into the better care fund and | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
we are confident that social care is funded. More needs to be done to | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
help the social care sector and the key is going to be integration with | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
the national health service in the coming years so it is much more | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
seamless as a service for our citizens. Last year at the | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
Conservative Party conference, the Prime Minister said that the future, | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
for we the state provided was shameful. The Dell or early grave on | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
the streets. Yesterday the Prison Reform Trust produced a report | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
identifying that far too high a proportion of children in care come | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
in touch with the criminal justice system. Will he ensure that policies | :10:55. | :11:03. | |
are implemented that prevents the unnecessary contact between the | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
criminal justice system and children in care so that they can have a good | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
future? I think he speaks very powerfully and, of course, we've got | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
to have a care system that does the very best for children. The Queens | :11:17. | :11:29. | |
speech has measures in that respect. The key thing is reforming our | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
prison system so that people are punished for crimes but have a | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
chance to rehabilitate themselves and that is one of the reforms I am | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
proudest to be part of. A Southampton letting agency has been | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
banned from trading for three years for not giving tenants their | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
deposits back and using them for other purposes. The situation as far | :11:51. | :11:59. | |
as letting agencies is concerned is that they are almost completely | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
regulated and it is potluck as to whether residents get a fey deal or | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
not. Is the Chancellor planning to do anything about this? We are | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
looking to make sure that people who rent are getting proper consumer | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
protection including from landlords who unreasonably withhold deposits. | :12:20. | :12:38. | |
It was the Chancellor and Angela Eagle for Labour. Labour decided to | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
go on this raid on the Google offices by the French tax | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
authorities who are trying to get over a billion pounds out of | :12:50. | :12:56. | |
auto-Google compared to the arrangement come to with Google in | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
the UK which net HMRC about ?130 million. There was a bit of Argy | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
bargey on that. The Chancellor wanted to anyhow what Miss Eagle had | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
done when she was a Treasury minister on Google. He couldn't | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
quite get an answer. Whether it was irrelevant. Banting back and | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
forward. Not that much substance. Some of the longest-winded questions | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
of modern time from the backbenchers there. This was the House of Commons | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
in search of a question mark. Very often it didn't find that particular | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
question mark. We'll go through in a second. We'll find out first of all | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
what the voters thought of it. Francs Edwards said enAngela Eagle | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
is the cleverist and wittiest. On-Maxwell said who on earth in the | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
Labour opposition put Miss Eagle forward. What an embarrassing | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
performance. Paula said George Osborne said there were different | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
points of view on Europe in the Conservative Party. That's why we're | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
having a referendum. Is that a good enough reason for this turmoil for | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
months on end. All we are getting these days are long pre-prepared | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
statements. Jim Pattinson said are there any questions in PMQs. Some me | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
andered. Went up a cul-de-sac and came back down. Found another | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
cul-de-sac. Fell over a precipice and still couldn't get the question | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
mark. Laura, let me ask you a question that has a very quick | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
question mark. Why was the Chancellor going on about Trident? | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
He couldn't resist the opportunity when he was at the dispatch box at | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
Prime Minister's Questions to pry to make an awkward point for the Labour | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
Party. One of the things not noticed about the Queen's Speech last week | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
which was roundly attacked for having nothing in it, also by | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
Michael Portillo, there was in it a commitment to press ahead with plans | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
for friedent. That, for the Labour Party, as we know, is a very tricky | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
issue. The leader of the party wants to try to get rid of it. He's having | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
a defence review he pretty much hopes will come up with that | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
recommendation. Many, many backbenchers and the big powerful | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
unions disagree with him. George Osborne in shock move to try to | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
embarrass Labour Party when in big profile moment at dispatch box. | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
Angela Eagle does well at these sort of events. She's good on her feet. | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
Not as good as she was last time though? She wasn't a bit more | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
long-winded. It is quite extraordinary, this is the first | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
Prime Minister's Question Time setting after a Queen's Speech. It | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
reflected there was nothing in the Queen's Speech. None of the | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
questions were really going at the substance. Both sides are | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
struggling. Normally angle will is a punchy. She has a good turn of | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
phrase. Why have you hired Alan surer to do what? He's going to be | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
an enterprise Tsar. Works with the business department. Always good to | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
get people from outside in to the business department. We brought | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
people in to make sure you have had people in business helping with the | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
department to make sure the civil servants and many of whom haven't | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
been in business, know what it's like. He'll have to step down from | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
presenting The Apprentice? Not sure of the details of his contract with | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
his broadcasters. In 2009 when Gordon Brown made an Enterprise Tsar | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
said in my view it is not possible for him to continue to present The | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
Apprentice when so closely identified with the Government. I | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
had thought he would stand down in his role of Apprentice. He's made no | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
secret for his admiration of Gordon Brown. Is this window dressing? I | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
his arrangement last time is to carry on on The Apprentice and also | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
advise the Government. So it's window dressing? If he was a proper | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
member of the Government he can't present a BBC programme? He will not | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
be a minister. He'll support the Government and business department. | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
To do what? To make sure we've an environment for enterprise. This is | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
a man who repeatedly meets business people, entrepreneurs, trying to get | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
businesses going. And making sure the business department sets the | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
environment for enterprise. A key part of delivering what we want. He | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
said not so long ago, George Osborne hasn't got a handle on economics. | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
You will you'll see the results. It is not me you have to convince, it's | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
Alan Sugar you've just hired. He's clearly come on board. That's good | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
news. Has he changed his mind? You'll have to ask him that. Is he | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
the only businessman you know? Is he the only businessman you know? | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
Definitely not. I wondered why you politicians have been so obsessed by | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
him. What was his greatest business achievement? He start add long time | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
ago. We all started a long time ago. You did, Andrew. What's his greatest | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
business achievement? He started in tech in the eighties. He started in | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
property. How did that go? He's involved in meeting all sorts of | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
business people. What's been his greatest business achievement. If | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
he's such a great entrepreneur and advise you on enterprise what has he | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
achieved? We've a whole series of business people in. You've only one | :18:47. | :18:56. | |
Tsar. Not true. For enterprise? We'd two a year, entrepreneurs in | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
residence. People who come in to business to make sure there's a | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
voice inside the business department. Sometimes on this | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
programme, you can have too much fun! I'm sure it has nothing to do | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
with the fact that Lord Sugar was happy to associate himself with the | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
Labour Party and recently said he's no longer happen why I to associate | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
himself with the Labour Party. I would say, these things often don't | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
end well. We've seen it plenty of times. Gordon Brown did it. Other | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
politicians did it. You bring in people with a high profile with the | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
public or in their own sector. They come into Government. Sometimes do | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
good work. They sometimes don't do much at all. Then they flounce out, | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
point fingers and is a, that lot don't no what they are doing at all. | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
I've better things to do. There are already big names from business | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
inside the Government. Jim O'Neill, former Goldman Sachs. The former | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
bottom of BT is Trade Minister. The idea the Government has to be seen | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
to bring in business expertise seems a little bit hard to fathom. It's | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
not that we have. We choose to. We've brought Mark Price in to do | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
the Trade Minister job are. But that's a job. This is too. It's not | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
paid, is it? It's important constantly to make sure the | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
Government ask supporting this country. This must be a devastating | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
blow to the Labour Party? The loss of Alan Sugar? Yes. I'm trying to | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
come to terms with it. Shall we dim the lights and move on? | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
, I just say, you're fired! I've been wanting to say that. Who are | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
you saying it to? She's an indiscriminate firer. Thanks, Laura. | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
A group of ex-military chiefs have today declared that Britain's | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
defence and security would be enhanced by leaving the EU. | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
Under the banner Veterans For Europe, | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
they warn that the UK is on an irreversible path towards an EU army | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
The dozen former senior military officers include | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
Major General Tim Cross who was commander of UK Forces | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
in Iraq, and he joins us now from College Green. | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
Welcome to the programme. How does our membership of the EU lessen, as | :21:17. | :21:24. | |
has been said, our commitment to NATO? It draws us into what is an | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
inevitable EU military union within the EU which has been declared in a | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
number of different treaties, including the Treaty of Lisbon. Of | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
course, we are fully integrated already in the EU military staff. In | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
the EU defence agency, even though the Prime Minister said in 2010 he | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
was going to leave the EU defence agency. And the EU battle group we | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
saw exercising in England last week. I'll ask you again. How does it | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
lessen our commitment to NATO? Why can't we be part of both, the EU and | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
NATO? It competes with NATO. France and Germany... In what way? It draws | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
money from NATO. No European Government is going to expend more | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
defence money that it is already spending. Quite the reverse, in | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
fact. They'll building an EU military unit. A lot of money going | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
into NATO will go into that EU military union. That will be | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
concerning to the Americans. Barack Obama was in Germany telling Angela | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
Merkel she had to pay another moo NATO. They are already worried by | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
the amount that goes into NATO. When the Americans realise what will | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
happen with EU military, they will begin to draw back from NATO as | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
well. That's the one alliance that's kept the UK and Europe safe since | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
the Second World War. Not the EU. But the UK Government is still very | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
committed to NATO as are other members. How would our defence | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
Cabibility and defence security improve if we left the EU? On the | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
security front, what currently happens, we have to allow any EU | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
citizen to come into the UK. To freely chaff here. We can check | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
their passports. We have to let them in unless we can prove conclusively | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
they present an immediate threat to the life and livelihood of the UK. | :23:19. | :23:25. | |
We are not part of the Schengen area in this sense. We are not part of | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
Schengen. We have to let them in unless they are a direct threat. | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
That's often based on secret enEU intelligence. If leave the EU we can | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
prevent them coming. People who have fought with Islamic State in Syria | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
and Iraq. Having all these large number of people coming in puts our | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
intelligence service under stress. Do you accept many of the threats | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
from terrorism have come from people who were British-born and who are | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
already here? I do accept that. That's very true. We don't want to | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
add to that problem by continuing to allow those people who threaten us | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
to come into the UK from Europe if we can stop them. We can't stop them | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
now. Let me just go back to you. On NATO, is our commitment to NATO as | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
Richard Kemp says, being affected by staying in the EU and moves towards | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
military union? No, there will not be an EU army. Those fears can be | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
put to one side. Not least evidence by the vast majority of the security | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
of recently retired security and military senior personnel who | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
support our remaining in the EU alongside staying in NATO as part of | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
our security. It is very important. We're going to have to leave there. | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
Richard Kemp, thank you. Now we talked earlier | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
about the Remain campaign's attempts Leave.EU, which you will remember | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
was the group that lost out in the race to become | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
the official leave campaign, said it wanted to reach out | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
to the youth vote with its Bpop Live event | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
in Birmingham. after a concert planned | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
for earlier this year had to be | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
cancelled when the headline act, Yesterday, soon after | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
the line-up was publicised, The boyband 5ive - | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
which actually now only consists of two of the band - | :25:19. | :25:20. | |
pulled out, deeming it more a political rally | :25:21. | :25:22. | |
than a pop concert. The idea of appearing | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
at the event alongside political figures including Nigel Farage | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
also didn't appeal in the end to singer Alesha Dixon, | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
who also pulled out. and the line-up still, | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
as best as we can establish, and the American group | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
Sister Sledge. Well, to discuss this | :25:37. | :25:52. | |
we're joined by the former He's had his own problems | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
with mixing music and politics after releasing and then withdrawing | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
his Ukip Calypso song in 2014. What do you make of all this? It is | :26:03. | :26:11. | |
interesting Obama didn't mention that the American people wanted us | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
to remain. He didn't mention Sister Sledge. Maybe they don't know. If I | :26:19. | :26:25. | |
had ebeen running, I'd have targeted people who were vote Leave leave. | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
Roger Daltrey is vote Leave leave. I would have targeted them to go it. | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
Who else other than Roger Daltrey? Ian Botham on a singing day! I | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
thought cricket was his thing. #2348 He sings with his bat. I wouldn't | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
argue with him. You'd get people who were pro-vote. It is a bit more | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
sensible. When you're doing Live Aid you're getting people sympathetic to | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
Live Aid. If you're singing we shall overcome the civil rights movement. | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
You get people interested in it. Probably not Bob Dylan for this | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
concert? Probably not for this. I don't know. If the money was right. | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
Mick Jagger would do it for money? He didn't ask me or you. Probably | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
because he's heard me sing. It's easier on the left to organise these | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
things most singers art easts would like the identify with the left. | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
They've done that before. It was done in 1987-1990. Paul Weller, the | :27:30. | :27:39. | |
Commune Ards. Billy Bragg. Probably a mistake for Ukip to do this? This | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
is cross-party. A vote Leave leave. No, it's not actually. It is a | :27:45. | :27:57. | |
Leave. EU. This is another a Ukip kind of one? Am I right in saying | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
that? From what I can gayer Gombault it is not vote Leave leave. It will | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
be in Birmingham. Are you going to go? It is up the road. It is the | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
Jude Ian people's front not the people's Jude Ian front. Who's left? | :28:13. | :28:23. | |
Sister Sledge. Mike, bash that red button. The | :28:24. | :28:36. | |
Mike, thanks for being on. Sorry it was so rushed. | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now. | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
with all the big political stories of the day. | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
We'll be joined by Iain Duncan Smith. | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
Do join us if you can. Bye-bye. | :28:50. | :28:55. |