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Welcome to HARDtalk. It is now all but certain. Hillary Clinton will be | :00:00. | :00:20. | |
the Democratic party candidate in November's US presidential election | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
after the latest batch of primaries. Her lead over Bernie Sanders looks | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
insurmountable. But even now for Bernie Sanders' campaign, radical, | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
antiestablishment and crowdfunded, he refuses to admit defeat. My guest | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
is Robert Reich, former labour secretary and Bill Clinton's | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
administration, now a prominent supporter of Senator Sanders. As the | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
centre of gravity in the Democratic party shifted? -- has the centre. | :00:48. | :01:18. | |
Robert Reich, in California, welcome to HARDtalk. Thank you. Would you | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
acknowledge that the game is now up for your man Bernie Sanders? Well, | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
the game is never up. This is a very unusual political season here in the | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
United States and Sir nobody is out until they really are out. The odds | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
are shrinking of a Bernie Sanders nomination because Hillary Clinton | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
has won a number of delegates and has also what are called super | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
delegates, insiders who have told her that they will vote for her | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
nomination at the Democratic convention in July. So it will be | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
extremely difficult. I wouldn't say insurmountable, but very difficult | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
for Bernie Sanders to get the nomination. Even he has described it | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
as "a very narrow path" that could lead into the nomination. Frankly, | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
we all know that is not going to happen. So would it not be best for | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
all Democrats, and of course you are a Democrat, for all Democrats to | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
advise Bernie Sanders to throw in the towel, to start the process of | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
unifying and healing after a pretty bitter primary campaign season? | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
Absolutely not. I think it is very important for Bernie Sanders is to | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
stay in the contest. Hillary Clinton stayed in the contest in 2008. It | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
was also a somewhat bitter contest in the Democratic primary, but her | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
staying in made Barack Obama a better candidate and kept a lot of | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
her followers in. They ultimately voted for Barack Obama. The Bernie | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
Sanders phenomenon is not just a candidacy, it is also a movement to | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
reclaim American democracy from what are called the moneyed interests, | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
the big banks and financial institutions, the big corporations, | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
the billionaires who have overrun American politics, and it is also a | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
movement that has attracted unprecedented numbers of young | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
people who would be very, very disappointed and feel very let down | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
if Bernie Sanders was to leave. I think that movement is going to | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
continue right through the convention and beyond. I want to | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
talk about the meaning of the movement in some detail. Before we | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
get there, let's stick with Sanders and the policy has to make about how | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
he conducts himself in a monthly the upto the Philadelphia Convention in | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
July. He says he is not the guy for politics as usual, he is a different | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
sort of politician, and get what he is doing now, and I will use this | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
rather brutal word, trashing parts of Hillary Clinton's record, it is | :04:07. | :04:14. | |
politics as usual. In last he has said she is "unqualified" to be | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
president. You are one of his supporters. Do you think that | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
ill-advised? It is ill-advised. I don't think he should say she is | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
unqualified. I think that if she continues to take large money, if | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
she is in the pockets of Wall Street, which I don't think she | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
is... With respect, she has continued to take large amounts of | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
corporate money. There was one of those dinners recently, $350,000 per | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
plate for the privilege of sitting near George Clooney. I wouldn't pay | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
$350,000 for the privilege of sitting... I wouldn't pay $10 for | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
the privilege of sitting next to George Clooney. My point is... That | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
the sort of corporate politics that Hillary Clinton is playing and | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
Bernie Sanders appears determined to continue this ferocious assault on | :05:04. | :05:11. | |
Mrs Clinton's connections to Wall Street and corporate interests when | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
I am telling you that maybe it would be better for the party if he backed | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
off. I think there's a distinction here that's very important. Bernie | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
Sanders continues to rail against big money and politics, big | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
corporate money, the billionaire money, money coming from Wall | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
Street, and it is not and should not be interpreted, I don't believe, I | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
don't believe it is wise for him to say it in any way that can be | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
interpreted as an attack on Hillary Clinton personally. It is an attack | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
on a system that is out of control and I think it is a perfectly | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
legitimate attack. I do think that one of the reasons it is important | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
for him to continue in the primaries is because this line of attack, this | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
line of argument, is so important to be heard in the United States. You | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
have in your analysis of this political season, you have described | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
it as very much an antiestablishment political temperature right now. | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
Would you accept that one of Hillary Clinton's biggest problems is that | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
you cannot imagine a woman with a more establishment record banshee? | :06:15. | :06:24. | |
-- than she? You are right in the sense that she has taken a lot of | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
money from Wall Street and big corporations and her husband, when | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
Bill Clinton was president, by the way I was in that administration and | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
very proud... I know you were. They published a great deal. But for our | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
audiences who don't remember, Robert Reich, it is worth remembering that | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
you sat in the Clinton administration as a voice on the | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
progressive left and you had many fights with other members of the | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
team because while they were talking about pragmatism, what oration, you | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
said, we are liberals. It seems to me that you and the Clintons have | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
always been at odds to a certain extent on that point. Well, not on | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
the meaning of the word liberal. I think Bill Clinton... I think you | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
published a very important -- very important things when he was | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
president of a like to think that I helped him, which important things. | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
But there was tension in that administration, it was healthy | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
tension between those who were most concerned about getting the budget | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
deficit down and shrinking the size of the government and those of us | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
you might call us the liberally progressive left who wanted to do | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
more, who were more ambitious in terms of helping the problems of the | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
poor, reducing inequality and so forth. And that tension continues to | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
exist in the Democratic party, I say a healthy tension because people | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
don't come to blows as they do in the Republican Party. These days the | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
Republican Party is a bunch of warring factions. The Democratic | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
party is made up of many of my close friends, people who very strongly | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
disagreed with me when I was in the Clinton administration, and they are | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
now supporting Hillary Clinton. Are they establishment? Well, to some | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
extent absolutely. I think this is an antiestablishment surge, both in | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
the Democratic campaign and also in the Republican primary campaign. I | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
promise you, we will get to the content of the sort of meaning of | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
antiestablishment and progressive and words like that when it comes to | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
politics in just a moment. One last question about the Hillary Clinton | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
factor on a more personal level. She is being questioned on her judgement | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
by Bernie Sanders. He points to her support for the Iraq war, he points | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
to... Well he actually doesn't, but many of her supporters point to the | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
use of personal e-mail in official business, which clearly was a | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
mistake and she has apologised for. -- of his supporters. There is a | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
judgement factor which Bernie Sanders has introduced, which | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
interestingly Donald Trump is now hammering home as well. So here is | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
the question. The more Bernie Sanders keeps this up the more he is | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
helping the Republicans and in particular Donald Trump. Well, I | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
don't think that's true. Certainly if Bernie Sanders tries to go after | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
or assassinate in some metaphorical sense Hillary Clinton's character | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
personally that would be damaging and that does help the Republican | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
challenger. But as long as Bernie Sanders keeps his criticism to the | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
side that I was suggesting a moment ago, to the general problem and the | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
large problem of money big money, in politics and the domination of the | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
interests of big corporations, Wall Street and billionaires over the | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
interests of average working people, that's a valid criticism and I hope | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
that Hillary Clinton here is that criticism for what it is and | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
continues to move in the direction of Bernie Sanders -- that Bernie | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
Sanders has been urging. As she has during this entire primary season. | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
Interesting point. A lot of people say that because of the pressure | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
coming from Bernie Sanders Hillary Clinton has modified her position, | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
she has moved leftwards in a way that leaves many people confused | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
about what she really believes. Here is a simple question for you. Is | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
Hillary Clinton in your view a progressive or not? Here we get back | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
to what you wanted to delay in this programme, the definition of what | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
all of these words mean. Indeed. I have known her since she was 19 | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
years old. She deeply cares about the plight of the underdogs, the | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
people who are poor, working class, lower middle class in America. She | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
has been fighting for better education opportunities for entire | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
life for people who don't have very many good educational opportunities. | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
And I have no question about her values. Even as you listed... Sorry | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
to interrupt. Even as he listed those things that she cares about, | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
you have left me a little bit confused. On education Bernie | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
Sanders is the guy calling for free college education for all. Hillary | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
Clinton says that's ridiculous and it won't work. Bernie Sanders is | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
calling for a $50 minimum wage across the country. Hillary Clinton | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
says that would work. -- $15. Bernie Sanders is to rip up the trade deals | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
that are bad for American workers. Hillary Clinton has in the past | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
supported them and says it has Pacific partnership that Bernie | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
Sanders hate so much was a golden opportunity. -- hates so much. | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
Explain to me, how can she be a progressive with all of those | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
positions? She has moved on all of those positions. She is now very | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
much in favour of a $15 minimum wage. The fight for 15 she has | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
endorsed. She has backed down on the Trans-Pacific Partnership and says | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
it isn't such a good idea and needs to be re-examined. On many other | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
positions... Why would we believe her then? If she moves around | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
according to the political wind, why would we take her seriously? -- | :12:19. | :12:29. | |
political Sanders pragmatism isn't a bad thing in a president. We get | :12:30. | :12:38. | |
this means-end continuum. I've been around politics for about 40 years. | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
I do see politicians, the best of them, struggling with means and | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
ends. They want to hold fast to their principles but at the same | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
time they want to be pragmatic. Bernie Sanders has pushed Hillary | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Clinton very hard towards the ideals that Bernie Sanders feels are very | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
important. I happen to share his ideals, which is why I am supporting | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
him in the selection, and he is forcing Hillary Clinton to make a | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
slightly different way in perhaps offer pragmatism against these | :13:13. | :13:20. | |
ideals. -- weighing. If she and when she gets the nomination will see | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
move back towards the pragmatic, let's put a quote around it, centre, | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
because we haven't defined these terms yet. Maybe, but that doesn't | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
mean the ideals are meaningless and it doesn't mean she is not | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
principles simply because she is pragmatic at the same time. Will you | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
endorse her wholeheartedly and unreservedly when, as seems | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
inevitable, she finally gets over the top and has this nomination | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
completely sewn up? I certainly will. I don't pick it is inevitable | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
but I will certainly endorse and I will try to make sure she president. | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
The Democratic party and her candidacy, if she becomes the | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
candidates, present and the American public a far better set of | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
alternatives than what the Republicans are presenting. I think | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
the Republicans really are quite out of their minds. Let's just talk | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
about the legacy that Bernie Sanders will leave behind, assuming that | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
Hillary Clinton does take the nomination. He has caused a ours and | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
has a lot of young people involved in politics for the first time. -- a | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
buzz. But if you look at his failure to reach out to minorities, his | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
failure to look at small stream conservative Americans who | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
repeatedly say they want smaller government and lower taxes, what is | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
Bernie's long-term legacy? Bernie Sanders put squarely on the | :14:43. | :14:52. | |
public access and connection between great wealth and concentration of | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
incoming wealth and also the concentration of political power in | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
the United States, in the hands of a relatively few people. Mostly | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
billionaires and corporate executives and Wall Street | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
executives. I have been in and out of politics for 40 years and there | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
has been a huge difference. I have seen any quality become almost | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
record level in the United States and with that any quality has come | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
the dominance of a moneyed elite over American politics. Bernie | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
Sanders has eloquently brought to the public's attention what that has | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
meant for American democracy and also for our economy. But that is | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
interesting, the bottom line is that he isn't going to win. So just | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
leaves his supporters deeply frustrated and with a feeling that | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
the system remains loaded against them. But as you undoubtedly know, | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
any movement to change a political system, to change the allocution of | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
power, takes years and years. Bernie Sanders is and will be one of the | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
movement's leaders and there are other leaders. Elizabeth Warren, | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
other progressives who are sounding the same alarm. People need to be | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
mobilized and organised and this is the beginning of what may be 4-8-12 | :16:12. | :16:18. | |
years to begin to reverse the concentration of income and wealth | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
and political power. Or there is an alternative and actually you have | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
posited it your self not long ago in a response to a media question and | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
that is that a lot of the anti- establishment feeling that we have | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
talked about in this interview, the raw anger of somebody Americans that | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
their lot doesn't seem to be improving, that feeling is actually | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
channelled into Donald Trump's campaign. That he is the other anti- | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
establishment guy in this election season alongside Bernie Sanders and | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
that bizarrely, though he is certainly not coming from the left, | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
Donald Trump may well Hoover up some of Bernie Sanders' discontented | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
supporters. That is certainly possible and we see not only the | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
United States but also around Europe, that discontent, anxiety in | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
terms of jobs, wages, more economic and security, has led to a welling | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
up of anti- establishment and also xenophobic and also unfortunately, | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
quite bigoted politics. That is what we have on the writing United States | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
and that is what Donald Trump represents. In other words, anti- | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
establishment feeling can take either a positive direction in terms | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
of a fundamental political reform of the democratic nature, and that is | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
Bernie Sanders, or a kind of authoritarian populism, which we see | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
in Donald Trump. And that is the choice in America in the future. It | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
is the choice in many countries in the future. But the bottom line in | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
that response is that there is a populist appeal to Donald Trump as | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
there is to Bernie Sanders, which Hillary Clinton doesn't have. Well, | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
I think Hillary Clinton, if she faces Donald Trump in the general | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
election in the United States, will win. My concern and my fear is that | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
that doesn't, in and of itself, deal with this upsurge of populism, both | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
authoritarian populism on the Donald Trump side and also the more | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
democratic, progressive populism on the left. She will need, as a | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
candidate and also, certainly as a president, were she elected, she | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
will need, and the Democratic Party and Republican Party for that matter | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
will also need to acknowledge this upsurge and begin to address the | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
underlying problems of widening inequality, a shrinking middle class | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
and economic insecurity. Let's pick up on that point. So far we have | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
talked about the political season and the standing of the candidates | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
and the parties. Let's leave aside party politics for a moment and | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
think about the state of America today. Not so long ago, you wrote a | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
book called Saving Capitalism. Do you believe that the political | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
system in the United States today and the range of choices offered is | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
going to come anywhere close over the next four years of saving | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
capitalism? Of restoring America to health? Well, my book and my | :19:21. | :19:28. | |
philosophy, as it were, is that the only way that you can have a buoyant | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
and healthy capitalism is if you have a growing and buoyant | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
middle-class. The poor can ascend into and also can provide enough | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
aggregate demand to keep an economy going. That is not the direction we | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
are going into now and politically, to get there, you have to have | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
changes in the rules of the game that make it possible for a buoyant | :19:51. | :19:58. | |
and growing middle class to thrive. Right now, our politics and United | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
States is totally dysfunctional. It is polarized and angry. If Hillary | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
Clinton were to become president tomorrow, there is very little that | :20:07. | :20:08. | |
she would be able to do legislatively to the middle class to | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
turn both politically and economically, the country around. If | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
I may say so, we have talked party politics. If I look at your writing | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
and your thoughts, you are not really confident that anybody can | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
deliver the sort of structural, fundamental structural change | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
America needs. To quote you, this extraordinary concentration of | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
income wealth and political power in the United States at the very top | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
imperils all else. Our economy, our democracy, the revival of the | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
middle-class, the prospects for poor people and people of colour, climate | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
change, even a sensible foreign-policy. You seem to be | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
saying that the any quality in the United States today, the growing gap | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
between the superrich and everybody else, is corroding the entire | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
system. And also corrupting the entire system politically. That is | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
exactly right. And then you might want to ask, where do I get my | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
optimism from? Because I am a very optimistic fellow. I think it will | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
be corrected because I look at American history, I look at the | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
1830s, I look at the period, the progressive period between 1901 | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
-1916, the 1930s, the new deal and also to a significant extent, the | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
1960s and what you see in the United States is a really remarkable | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
resilience, a corrective mechanism where people put their ideology | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
aside, roll up their sleeves and get on with what has to be done to save | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
capitalism from itself. You seem so hung up these days on inequality and | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
using legislation and regulation and dusting the big banks and the | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
healthcare providers to, in your view, deliver a new form of | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
equality. Equality isn't really an American ideal. The American dream | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
isn't about ensuring that you have just the same as your neighbours, it | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
is about ensuring that you have the possibility of rising up and that | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
your kids can rise up even further. Why are you now so hung up on | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
inequality? Stephen, I am not hung up on equality. I am hung up on the | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
problem of any poll wealth and power in the United States. We have not | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
seen this degree of inequality since the 1890s, the so-called gilded age | :22:30. | :22:39. | |
where you had connection with the concentrated income at the wealth. | :22:40. | :22:47. | |
But the American dream has always delivered any quality. Is really | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
what America is about. Oh wait a minute, Steven. That's absurdly | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
wrong. Americas about upward mobility and you can't get that if | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
you have too much any quality. We have seen that repeatedly and | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
economic studies confirm that. In fact, if you lose your middle-class, | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
there is no place for the poor to ascend into. If you lose your | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
middle-class, and we are in the process of having a shrinking middle | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
class, the median wage and the median household incomes are | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
actually dropping adjusted for inflation, if that occurs, it is | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
much harder for anybody to move upward and that is what this whole | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
battle is about. That is what Bernie Sanders is about and his whole | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
phenomenon. It is a lot of what is fuelling Donald Trump, about the | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
fears and insecurities of a middle class that is freaking. Are you sure | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
you are still optimistic? Yes I am optimistic. I am optimistic because, | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
again, look at the young people. When I'm not in politics, IT can | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
surround myself with young people, 18-28 years old, who are | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
extraordinarily idealistic. And they are the inheritors of this system. | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
They are the ones who are going to make the changes that are required. | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
Robert Reich, weevil and not with a positive thought. -- end with a | :24:05. | :24:14. | |
positive thought. Thank you for being on HARDtalk. Thank you very | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
much. Some of us have seen snow | :24:18. | :24:37. | |
so far this week, but the risk of | :24:38. | :24:41. |