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Worse than it's been for years, and likely to get worse still. Over 2.5 | :00:09. | :00:19. | |
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million without a job, and every It is sad because I know I'm a hard | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
worker, I do my best, it would be great to find a job. It's my | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
goal.If It is like this before the next stage of the economic crisis. | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
What on earth can be done? The bosses of big selling | :00:36. | :00:43. | |
newspapers come out fighting against further regulation. Both | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
Steve Coogan and Louise Mensch have been dufd up by the tabloids, but | :00:49. | :00:56. | |
both agree they have a case. The Defence Secretary continues his "am | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
I bothered" act, how much longer can he keep it up. I believe that | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and the saviour of mankind. The front | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
runner for the Republican presidential nomination, tries to | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
overcome the criticism that he belongs to a cult. This Texas | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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Pastor will tell us why are Mormon - a Mormon is not fit for the White | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
House. There are more people out of work | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
in this country than at any time in the last 17 years. 2.5 million of | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
them, 8% of the work force. It is one thing to lose their job, it is | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
another type of misery again, to come out of education and find | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
society seems to have no place for you. The picture for youth | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
unemployment is especially bad. There are nearly a million young | :01:47. | :01:54. | |
people without a job. Paul Mason is here. You better give us the gory | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
details. As you say they are 8.1% unemployment, that is a 17-year | :01:59. | :02:06. | |
high. If we drill into the figures, youth unemployment, 21.6%, that is | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
getting towards south European levels of youth unemployment. And | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
there are about a million youth unemployed. Drill down even further, | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
of the jobs lost in the last three months, 178,000, the vast majority | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
were part-time. You start to see loads of women, loads of public | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
sector workers. If we do one more drill down, this is a problem for | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
the Government. Private sector job creation is up in the last three | :02:32. | :02:40. | |
months, public sector job losses, 111,000. What you have is a | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
beginning of a breakdown in the narrative. We were led to believe | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
the public sector job losses would be offset by the private sector job | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
creation. That is why the Prime Minister stood up and said this | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
today. I accept we have to do more to get our economy moving, to get | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
jobs for our people. But we mustn't abandon the plan that has given us | :02:58. | :03:05. | |
record low interest rates. The fact that there hasn't been the take up | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
predicted is to do with growth. Realistically, what can be done? | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
have already plan A plus, which is �75 billion of quantitative easing, | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
credit easing is proposed. That is the Government becoming a proxy | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
lender to small business, we think �10 billion if that ever happens. | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
That is long-term, the debate now in the Government's growth review | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
is whether you can do a big jolt a defibrillation of the economy. | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
There is a whole list of suggestions in tomorrow's New | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
Statesman, through correspondents the Government will respect. It is | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
massive tax cut, through VAT or business tax, or it is some further | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
or more radical version of lending direct to the public. There are | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
calls for state bank. There is a number of employers' organisations | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
thinking about a state investment bank. Ultimately I think the | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
Government cabinet this week discussed things like ripping up a | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
few European regulations. Let nothing get in the way of growth. | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
They have got to come up with something, this is a story of a | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
narrative slightly spiralling out of control. A lot of it is to do | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
with global conditions, conditions at least elsewhere in the world? | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
just happened to be the most globalised of the most developed | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
economies, so it is a problem. When the Government's original austerity | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
plan was thought up in November 2010, they thought there would be | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
growth in Europe and America, and our economy would rebalance, | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
becoming more export orientated and manufacturing orientated because | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
the demand would be there, but the demand is gone. And if it is | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
happening at all it is slow. That is the context in which the | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
political debate fakes place. Even business groups now - takes place. | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
Even the business groups, it is not the rabid left, even business | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
groups are saying let's have a demand stimulus quite soon, please. | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
If the prospects for young people in this country are bleak, imagine | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
what it must be like elsewhere in Europe. In Spain, for example, | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
youth unemployment is running at getting on for 50%. The world the | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
young were educated for no longer exists, that is before the | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
eurocrisis comes crashing through the door like some out of control | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
juggernaut. What started off as a Greek problem | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
has turned into a full blown European crisis. Are politicians in | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
Europe using a pea shooter instead of David Cameron's weapon of choice, | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
a big Baz sook ka. One thing is for sure, unless the big guns arrive, | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
the whole shooting gallery will collapse. Financial markets are | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
convinced that Europe's weaker economies simply won't be able to | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
repay all their debts. In an effort to do exactly that, European | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
Governments have slashed their deficits and forced millions on to | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
the dole queues. Of the three countries already getting a bailout | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
from the IMF and the EU, unemployment has soared, Portugal | :05:56. | :06:04. | |
has 12% out of work, Ireland 14%, and that's rampant job creation | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
compared to Spain's 21% unemployed. How does Portugal with the debt | :06:10. | :06:17. | |
mountain of 93% of national income aim to repay its debts. I was in | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
the position when the external assistance programme was asked and | :06:21. | :06:30. | |
negotiated. I stand in favour of that programme. I knew how the | :06:30. | :06:38. | |
situation was extremely difficult for my country. One of the | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
differences in the Portuguese story is we have a large political | :06:42. | :06:49. | |
consensus in Portugal about this programme and its obligations. 5% | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
of the Members of Parliament, despite the differences you can - | :06:52. | :07:00. | |
85% of the Members of Parliament, despite the differences between the | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
- Government and the opposition, are in favour of the deal with the | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
IMF and other institutions. Unemployment in the UK is at 8%, my | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
guess is the Portuguese Government would love that level of | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
unemployment? It is true, I would love to have that unemployment | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
level. The eurozone would love if it only had an unemployment crisis, | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
apart from millions of people out of work, there is banking cry sai, | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
many of Europe's largest banks simply may not survive. Then there | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
is the issue of where the growth comes from. Even the strongest | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
economy, Germany, has stuttered to a stall in the last few months. | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
Then there is political paralysis, there doesn't seem to be any way | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
for European leaders to get around the table and agree a way forward. | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
That is what President Barroso is, at least, hoping to alleviate. | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
To that end, the EU commission President was hoping today to put a | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
proverbial bomb under eurozone leaders, for example, France and | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
Germany, to solve the crisis. strategy should comprise of five | :08:08. | :08:15. | |
key steps. It should include all potential systemic banks identified | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
by the European banking authority across all member states. It should | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
take account of all sovereign debt exposure in full transparency. It | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
should involve a temporarily higher capital ratio after accounting for | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
exposure. Banks that do not have the required capital should present | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
and then implement plans to have it in place as swiftly as possible, | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
and until they have done so, they should be prevented from paying out | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
dividends and bonuses by the national supervisors. | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
APPLAUSE Three years ago Europe's | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
Governments spent billions, hundreds of billions bailing out | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
their banks. That prevented a financial crisis turning into an | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
outright depression. The problem three years later, as we face | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
another financial crisis is that the Government simply don't have | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
the money. So when the IMF and the European Commission suggests | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
another round of mass recapitalisations, who will pay for | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
it? Where does the capital come from, from the private or public | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
sector. The Germans will stand behind their banks. The French have | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
said we are not sure we can stand behind our banks f someone else | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
could help us out that would be great. If the French do it on their | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
own they will lose their Triple A rating, if they lose that, the ESF | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
can't gear up to 400 billion to 3 trillion. If you don't have the | :09:44. | :09:52. | |
bailout fund, effectively zone as the ESFS, you can't put the money | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
where the mouth is. In many ways the banks are the cause and the | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
cure in this now the second financial crisis. In the boom times | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
Governments borrowed from banks, gave the money to tax-payers, and | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
they hoped would get re-elected. Now though, the banks want their | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
money back and the Governments don't have the money. Perhaps if | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
the banks consider writing off vast swathes of that debt, that would | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
get the Governments off the hook. The only problem is that would | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
collapse many of the banks. Is it fair that many countries are | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
talking about Greece having a bright off, or haircut of 60% of | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
its debts, when Portugal has to pay00% of their debts. I will give | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
you a diplomatic answer, we are focused fully on our commitments, | :10:39. | :10:47. | |
honour our word, and if we do it, we will do our job. I think this | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
will be recognised by markets and international communities. What is | :10:52. | :11:00. | |
the undiplomatic answer? Look, you have to wait. So, over the coming | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
weeks, are eurozone politicians prepared to lengthen dole queues, | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
strangle growth, and risk jobs to preserve a currency constructed in | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
a different era by a different group of leaders. | :11:15. | :11:23. | |
We are joined by our guests, John Micklethwait, and Julia Hodson, an | :11:23. | :11:32. | |
MEP who used to run - Guy Verhofstadt, a an MEP who used to | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
money Belgium. It is going to get worst isn't it? In my opinion the | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
economic fall-out of this debt crisis in Europe is happening. It | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
is not only affecting the eurozone, it is also affecting all the | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
members of the European Union. If you look for an example to the | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
figures, the fiscal deficit in Britain is higher than average in | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
the eurozone. If you look to economic growth, economic growth is | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
lower than the average in the eurozone. The same for the debt | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
ratio is higher than Britain than in the eurozone. I don't think you | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
can see that it is as a consequence of the euro, on the contrary. The | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
problem with the euro is we need as fast as possible to build up an | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
economic and fiscal union besides the monetary union. We understand | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
where you are coming from quite clearly at the moment, we will come | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
to the euro in a second. With the question of unemployment, it is | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
going to get worse, a great deal worse? Yes it is, both in Britain | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
and particularly in the European Union. Because whatever he says, at | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
the moment other economies around the world, China, America, they are | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
not actually worried about Britain, they are worried about the eurozone. | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
Indeed the whole world economy is worried about the eurozone. Unless | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
it actually begins to grow, and begins to actually deal with this | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
debt crisis unemployment will continue to get worse. How much is | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
actually in the hands of any individual Government, the British | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
Government, for example, leaving aside the eurozone for a moment? | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
The British Government is taking measures, and has taken measures to | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
reduce the effect of regulation on business, stimulate the private | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
sector. They are not having much effect, are they? We saw on the | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
report a number of private sector jobs have been created over the | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
last quarter, unfortunately it is not offsetting the number of jobs | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
lost in the public sector. You told us the growth would, you told us | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
losses in the public sector would be compensated by growth in the | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
private sector, that is not the case? There have been half a | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
million jobs created in the private sector in the last 12 months. I | :13:40. | :13:47. | |
don't think we could have forecast the scale of the lack of growth, | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
and the United States has growth worse than our's. All the export | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
markets are under considerable pressure. There is clearly problem, | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
you but I think the Government has some measures to influence it in a | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
positive way f not solve the outright problem. If the eurozone | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
is going to impact badly upon us, there is some argument, for us | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
making a stub substantial generous contribution to the European | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
stability fund? That is the argument, pay to play, I guess Guy | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
Verhofstadt will come in hard on that. The British, in order to have | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
a role in devising this new Europe, they will have to put in some money. | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
One argument is some British people might see is that would give us a | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
voice, and it would certainly provide a much more liberal | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
direction to the way in which gruls Brussels is going. Against that I | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
don't think - Brussels is going, against that I don't think the | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
appreciation would be for us coming in. What do you think of the | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
suggestion that the British should make some contribution, pay to | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
play? I would say it is a very good idea! I don't think it is very | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
realistic. Nevertheless, nevertheless, the reality is that | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
Britain has a huge interest in a sound eurozone. It should think | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
about helping to rescue the eurozone. But the way to rescue the | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
eurozone is a question of creating, as I said already, of an economic | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
and fiscal union. It is nonsense to have a single currency on the one | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
side, and then seven different economic strategies and Governments, | :15:31. | :15:38. | |
- 17 different strategies and economies and bond markets. We need | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
more European integration to rescue this. Spoken like a loyal Belgian! | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
I respectfully disagree. Yes, there will have to be more Europe than | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
there is at the moment. I think everyone pretty much accepts that | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
for the eurozone. There will have to be more. Yes, you will need some | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
kind of bugetry supervision, somebody who will just check if the | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
numbers are correct. And yes, you will probably need some eurozone | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
bank regulation to make sure they cover the whole eurozone rather | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
than just international stuff. Once you jump ahead to full fiscal union, | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
you run into all sorts of problems, not just intellectual ones, but | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
practical ones. You can't even persuade Slovakia to go along, even | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
briefly, on what is a huge deal. What will they think about it in | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
Stourbridge? I think the important thing is Britain won't be a part of | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
this closer fiscal unit. We are fortunate in that we are not in the | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
euro. We will not be a part of that. Nor will we be a part of the | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
bailout. Because we would have to borrow, wouldn't we, in order to | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
fund the weaknesses elsewhere. I think the flaw in the logic. I | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
understand the economic theory of closer fiscal union, to support the | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
single currency, the flaw is the democratic deficit in the argument. | :16:56. | :17:04. | |
As John was saying, Slovakia won't agree. Any country which has to | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
ratified the treaty from an electorate will find it very | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
difficult to get approval. Presumably you believe in the old | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
European practice to simply telling the Slovakians to go back and vote | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
again? Sorry, I didn't understand the question. I suppose you think | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
the Slovakians think they should have another vote until they come | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
to a conclusion you like? No, I think that we need to change the | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
rules in this European rescue fund. It is completely nonsense to | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
continue with the rescue fund based on a unanimity rule, as it is the | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
case today. Because that makes that one political party, in one of the | :17:42. | :17:50. | |
17 European members can block a rescue operation fund. I think we | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
need fight power in the rescue fund, if you want to rescue the euro. | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
First of all, by abolishing the unanimity rule in the rescue fund. | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
And secondly, also, this is very important, by increasing the money | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
that you put in the rescue fun. much? Let's be very honest. I think | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
we have to double at least, maybe to triple the money that is today | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
in the rescue fund, if we want really to stablise the euro. And | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
let me be say one thing as a conclusion, that is that it is the | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
financial markets today, and the stock markets, they were asking for | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
an economic and fiscal union, besides the monetary union. They | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
say if you want the single currency, you need one economic policy. | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
Very quickly from you two here. Barroso is talking today about 440 | :18:40. | :18:47. | |
billion, the talk is of 1.2 trillion being needed, what is your | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
guess? My guess is 2 trillion. more? I think that sound like it | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
would tilt the balance against some of the stronger markets losing | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
their Triple A rating who will find this two trillion. We don't want to | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
throw the relatively healthy economies' babies out of the water. | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
You pitch it low, and you come in with an answer bigger than anyone | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
expects, you restore confidence. needs to be close to a trillion. | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
Biggest beasts of the media jungle were prodded out of their dens, | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
they emerged blinking and bad tempered, to put Lord Levenson | :19:29. | :19:38. | |
right on how the media works. The inquiry was set up when the phone | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
hacking story broke by the Prime Minister, the same Prime Minister | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
who put Andy Coulson at his press secretary. | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
They were bothered by three big questions, firstly, do we need a | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
new regulator for the press? Paul Dacre, editor-in-chief of the Daily | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
Mail, didn't think so. I would like to try to persuade this inquiry | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
that self-regulation, although a considerably beefed up form, is, in | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
a country that regards itself as truly democratic, the only viable | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
way of policing a genuinely free press. | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
Secondly, how can one guarantee that free press? Dacre thinks | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
commercial success is the only guarantor of freedom. I would argue | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
that Britain's commercially viable free press, because it is in hock | :20:28. | :20:35. | |
to nobody, is the only real free media in this country. Overregulate | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
that press and you put democracy itself in peril. Finally the | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
question of whether the Leveson inquiry was necessary at all. The | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
former editor of the Sun knocked that on the head. Why do we need an | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
inquiry of this kind? There are plenty of laws to cover what went | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
on. Afterall, 16 people have already been arrested, and my bet | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
is, the numbers may well go up to as many as 30, once the police | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
officers start being rounded up on the corruption allegations. | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
people who are quite familiar with coverage in the Daily Mail are here. | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
The last time Steve Coogan was on the programme, there was a most | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
disparaging piece about him in the Daily Mail a few days after. | :21:19. | :21:27. | |
And Louise Mensch MP, has also featured in that paper on topics | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
such as if she has had plastic surgery and her marriage. Let's | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
take the first question, self- regulation, does it, as was argued | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
by Paul Dacre today work? Manifestly it doesn't work in the | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
form we currently have. It was ludicrous of Mr Dacre to suggest at | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
some length there was no problem there whatsoever. We have to have | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
it massively beefed up and changed. It is entirely facile to say it is | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
all working great. Government regulation or self-regulation? | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
think you must have a free press, but some Government regulation. | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
papably failed in the biggest single test of its existing in the | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
last 12 years with the hacking scandal, it did nothing, the only | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
way it came to the fore, was the tenacity of certain celebrities and | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
the Guardian newspaper who pursued it. And fellow Eurotunnel | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
journalists operating under self- regulation? Those journalists are | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
to be applauded, I don't have a problem with them, it is those who | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
do the muck raking I don't like. you favour the second question that | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
came up, what is the guarantee of the free press, Paul Dacre arked, | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
plausibly, that the best guarantee of a free press is a commercially | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
liable press? A commissionly viable press a free press, led by the | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
market, has led to the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone and the | :22:55. | :23:04. | |
hacking of victims of crimes phones. You also get the Mail being free to | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
name the alleged murders of Stephen Lawrence? That is the one example | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
people use. Wasn't it a brave, good thing to do? It is notable by its | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
singularity. It is the one case that breaks the rule. All the Mail | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
are interested in, are its commercial interest. It is selling | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
newspapers, everything is based on who is shagging who. It is not | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
about trying to expose corruption. That is, as he explained today, was | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
a way of selling newspapers, it helped to sell newspapers and | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
carried the cost of the other stuff. That is not why this occurred, it | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
occurred because victims of crime have been hacked, and self- | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
regulation hasn't worked. It has come about because of the | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
abhoration. People broke the law? It was nothing to do with the Press | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
Complaints Commission that exposed that. You have been a victim of I | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
won't ask you whether you have had plastic surgery or Botox or what | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
you have been accused of. It can be hurtful? It can be, but we are | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
drawing a distinction between the pure tabloid press and the other | :24:14. | :24:21. | |
press. It was the Guardian asking me in an interview ostensibly about | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
my politics if I had a face lift and it was the strap line. That was | :24:25. | :24:34. | |
put there because it is fluff that sells papers. If we want the | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
Telegraph stories, you have to take it, because it gives you a chance | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
to put out what you think. You have to roll with the pitches? | :24:45. | :24:52. | |
depends on the degree. I think whether or not it invades prif vi, | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
I think they are unwitting stoodges of Paul Dacre and the Guardian | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
newspaper. I think the Guardian has to be ashamed, because the face | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
lift piece on conference is not talking about the policies from the | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
conference. That comes from the Guardian and they need to be | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
ashamed. I can talk about Corby being the fastest growing town at | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
the moment, but that won't sell papers, they are interested in | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
fluff. The circulation in all papers plummeting and we have to | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
have one that works. If newspapers exist to basically make money, and | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
the by-product is they occasionally do things laudible and publicly, | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
they make most of their profit from searching through people's rubbish | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
bins, then they deserve to go to the wall. Why does it hurt you? | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
is not about hurting. I'm not here for me, I'm here because of other | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
people, the not famous people, people who are defenceless, who | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
can't afford to go to the courts to defend themselves. The tabloid | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
journalist a few years ago said we ruin people's lives, that is what | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
we do. That is a rare moment of candour from one of the tabloid | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
newspapers. As far as you are concerned they can say what they | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
like about you, you are acting on behalf of others? It has to be in | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
the public interest. If I was someone, I don't think we should | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
roll with the punches, certain questions are legitimate, some | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
aren't. If I went around as a politician and said I was a par | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
gone of virtue and extolling family values, then my personal life would | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
be legitimate because I'm trading on it. I work in comedy, if it is | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
crap, say so, but my personal life has nothing to do with it. Would | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
Paul Dacre like if I looked in his bin or asked him what he got up to | :26:39. | :26:48. | |
in bin, it is none of his business. I think he's being disengenius Paul | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
Dacre, there were 1300 tran actions in his paper, he said people should | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
be free to et ex-directory phone numbers, it was shown by the | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
Independent that part of the blagging example was going after | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
the parents of the Dunblane children, and finding their ex- | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
directory phone numbers through blagging. That can't be justified. | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
We mustn't throw the baby out with the bath water f we make newspaper | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
reports only on good and worthy things, the sad fact of the matter | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
is people won't buy the newspapers. People by the Guardian and the | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
broadsheets. They are not making any money? If the tabloids can only | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
exist by reporting that kind of garbage, that is not a good enough | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
reason for them to exist. You would rather a free press disappear? | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
there are plenty of free newspaper that is don't indulge in that kind | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
of thing that report the news. Times is down 14% year-on-year | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
circulation. You are saying what we have to do is let them basically | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
intrude into people's personal lives. They will have to become | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
more inventive and more creative or be more entertaining. I manage to | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
entertain people without searching through rubbish bins, I don't have | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
to do that. They have to stop the hacking and blagging, people won't | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
put up with it more, and the public understand how they get the stories, | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
but the Mail fluffy kitten stories won't go away, that is the price | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
public figures have to put up with if we want a free press to expose | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
it. If we want the MPs expenses story. The Mail is a newspaper, we | :28:23. | :28:29. | |
choose as the newspaper to be Alan Partridge's favourite paper, | :28:29. | :28:35. | |
because it has contempt for the weak, and zenophobic attitude, and | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
a little England that people drink warm beer and all the corner shops | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
are run by white people. That is not reality, I don't think someone | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
who presents and trades on people's worst fears, as that newspaper does, | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
it panneders to people's worst fears, I don't believe it deserves | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
to exist. If it went to the wall I would be delighted there are lots | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
of better newspapers. It is worse than the tabloids. I have great | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
sympathy with you on the Mail, if not the Daily Mail who? We need | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
somebody out there to sell the papers. The Mail has a certain | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
duplicity to its nature. amusingly said it was half way | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
between a broadsheet and tabloid. will be interested to see what they | :29:18. | :29:25. | |
write about you. If they do I will be pleased. The MP for north | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
Somerset is still our Defence Secretary tonight. Liam Fox has had | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
to cancel a few engagements so he doesn't spend his time answering a | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
question about a man who he says is above reproach of any kind. A trip | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
to Paris today was punctuated by sniping from reporters, | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
demonstrating how few people share his belief that there is nothing to | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
discuss. The questions swirling around | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Defence Secretary, Liam Fox, and his close friend, Adam Werritty, | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
are around the issue of money. We now know Mr Werritty met Dr Fox on | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
visits abroad on 18 occasions in the past 17 months. Was there any | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
financial gain? How did he pay for his travel expenses? Was he | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
advising clients keen to get access to the minister. REPORTER: In what | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
capacity did he travel with you, unofficial advisor, friend? | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
Dr Fox was in Paris today, keen to deflect the questions. Perhaps the | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
biggest mystery is who funded Adam Werritty and why? The attention is | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
turning to rich donors funding a charity called Atlantic Bridge, | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
which champion the political philosophy of Margaret Thatcher and | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
Ronald Reagan. It was linked to Liam Fox and run by Adam Werritty. | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
This hedge fund manager has reportedly donated thousands of | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
pounds. Was this money, and perhaps other donations effectively paying | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
Mr Werritty. Antic Bridge was removed as a registered charity - | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
Atlantic Bridge was removed as a registered charity a few months ago, | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
because it was said to be promoting a political party close to the | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
Conservatives. Government has to have rules. The taxpayer funds the | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
operation of Government. To have a parallel operation, off the books, | :31:11. | :31:18. | |
privately funded, undid he claird, no transparency - undeclared, and | :31:18. | :31:25. | |
no transparency is worrying. What was Mr Fox's with Sri Lanka, and | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
what were Mr Werritty's aims? Fox had a long standing | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
relationship with Sri Lanka, and his ideas were known as the Fox | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
plan. Last year Adam Werritty and Dr Fox met with the Sri Lankan | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
President in a London hotel. No British officials were present. | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
had a meeting with the President of the Sri Lanka at the same time. I'm | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
well aware of the nature of the meetings. It is in a swith, it is | :31:52. | :31:58. | |
set out - suite, it is set out as if it was in the Sri Lankan | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
Presidential Palace. A substantial number of officials from Sri Lanka. | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
The President of Sri Lanka was not having private meetings. These were | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
very public meetings, I suspect they are recorded on camera. It is | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
Mr Werritty's business interests that could determine the fate of | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
Liam Fox. We know, for example, he has good relations with the | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
Government of Sri Lanka. If it turns out the Sri Lankans are his | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
client and have paid him for lobbying work that could be very | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
serious indeed. If there is money involved will | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
that change things? It is a hypothetical question. In all these | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
things you have to look at the context in which something may or | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
may not happen. To take a particular emphasis on a particular | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
point in a particular way, I think, is a question I'm not able to | :32:46. | :32:53. | |
answer at the moment. Has Liam Fox breached the | :32:53. | :32:59. | |
Ministerial Code? REPORTER: Are you the victim of a witch-hunt? | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
He returned from Paris and will face questions about the spirit and | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
limit of the code. In the section on advisors, it says the | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
Governments will publish every year the names of special advisors and | :33:11. | :33:17. | |
their pay bill. But when is an advisor a formal advisor and when | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
is he just a friend. He muddied his private and public interests in way | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
that was unacceptable. I suspect the biggest charge against him in | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
the end is just massive misjudgment in the way that he has handled his | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
affairs. I think there are errors and misjudgments have been made. | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
But they are not that serious that Liam should have to resign. I | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
actually think has done, not just a good job in the Ministry of Defence, | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
but he has gone over and above the call of duty here. When he came in | :33:49. | :33:56. | |
the budget of that department was a mess, but the huge number of vests | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
interest were there. He has made sense of the Ministry of Defence, | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
he's a tough guy and the right guy to be doing it. Critics believe he | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
has breached the spirit of the ministerial guideline, the latest | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
version of which was endorsed by the Prime Minister only last year. | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
David Cameron wrote then we must be transparent about what we do, above | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
improper influence. That, then, is a benchmark for Liam Fox and Adam | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
Werritty, his mysterious advisor. Could religious bigotry determine | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
the outcome of the next American presidential elections. Front | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
runner to knock Barack Obama out of the White House next year is Mitt | :34:37. | :34:43. | |
Romney, one-time guff nor of Massachusetts. It is not that, or | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
his - guff nor of Massachusetts. It is not that or his chis selled chin | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
that is causing problems, it is because he's a Mormon. Part of the | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
United States thinks being a Mormon is a cult. We will hear from the | :34:58. | :35:08. | |
:35:08. | :35:14. | ||
Pastor who makes the accusation. First this report. Out of the | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
mountains they came, searching for Zion, and in the shadow of the | :35:19. | :35:29. | |
:35:29. | :35:29. | ||
mountains of Utah, the Mormon found it. The church of the Latter Day | :35:30. | :35:37. | |
Saintss prospered, building a city near the great Salt Lake. | :35:37. | :35:44. | |
# I've got hope like a river And here, in Salt Lake City, the | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
church grew rich. But it was always different, other, separate some how, | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
from the country it inhabited. Now one of its own is bidding for the | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
presidency. But that otherness may yet drag his cadidacy down. | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
Mormon is a paradox, both very American, and yet well beyond the | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
American mainstream. Take the Great Trek, depicted partly here. | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
Believers 1300 miles, often in scenes of unimaginable hardship | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
from Illinois to Salt Lake City, in the mid-19th century, to go west, | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
to settle in the frontier, to flee religious persecution, what could | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
be a more American story. But to establish a theocracy that | :36:32. | :36:39. | |
flourished here briefly, and to practice polygamy, abandoned in | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
short order, that brought suspicion from fellow Americans. For Mitt | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
Romney that fear and suspicion became part of his downfall when he | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
ran for the nomination five years ago. He found himself continuously | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
being asked about his faith. He tried to tackle the questions head | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
on. There is one fundamental question about which I'm often | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
Christ is the Son of God, and the saviour of mankind. Two months | :37:09. | :37:16. | |
later he dropped out of the race. Now, four years on, he is the | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
Republican candidate that Democrats most fear. A politician of the | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
centre right who can reach out to disaffected independents and swing | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
voters. I believe in America, and I'm running for President of the | :37:29. | :37:36. | |
United States. But, again, it has become personal. Last weekend | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
Baptist Pastor, Robert Jeffress, advised a gathering of social | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
conservatives, not to vote for Romney, because in his words, he's | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
not Christian. I would call on governor Perry to repudiate the | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
sentiments and remarks made by that Pastor. Family friend, Jowers, | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
believes the issue has waned in the public consciousness, and second | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
time round Romney is a more rounded figure than the Mormon candidate of | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
2008. As long as people recognise him as the turn around guy for the | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
Olympics, as guff nor and his businesses, and so many other | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
aspects of him. Mormonism is every bit a part of him. I don't think he | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
will ever shy away from that. is a book out now that describes | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
Romney as springing from an historically racist religion, that | :38:26. | :38:33. | |
kind of stuff will keep coming. Yeah, certainly there is, Mormonism | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
is a place where some people will find political advantage, and they | :38:36. | :38:44. | |
will mit it. Would it be easier if he wasn't a Mormon? At this point | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
probably, yes. On the other hand, who knows where he would be without | :38:48. | :38:58. | |
:38:58. | :38:58. | ||
his Mormon faith. On a warm Saturday evening in Utah, | :38:58. | :39:05. | |
two local universities go head-to- head. The game is a 65,000-seat | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
sell-out. The faithful are out in force. The sacred name of Jesus | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
Christ, amen. Brigham Young University, in blue, | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
are playing at home, they remain outsiders. The university was | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
established by and for Mormons. Is there a change in America in its | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
attitude towards Mormons, towards the Mormon religion? I think the | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
Mormon religion is getting more well known, people know more about | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
the church. As far as being mainstream, I think people still | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
consider us different, and not Christian. But I think they | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
appreciate our values and appreciate what we do for the | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
country. If Romney becomes the candidate, even the President, does | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
that change things forever, for Mormonism? You know I don't know if | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
it is going to change things forever, people will still have | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
their perceptions, they may think Romney is weird, if they think we | :40:00. | :40:08. | |
are weird. It will be, in the south, that | :40:08. | :40:14. | |
Romney's faith could face an early challenge. South Carolina holds the | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
nation's second primary. This Bible Belt state has proved Romney's | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
undoing before. One in four Americans say they are less likely | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
to vote for a Mormon, amongst white evangelicals, that rises to one in | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
three. A good showing here is critical for | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
Mitt Romney, as a northern candidate, Romney needs to show | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
that he can do well, here in the south. But South Carolina is | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
particularly dangerous territory for Romney. It was here in 2008 | :40:44. | :40:51. | |
that he was uncertificate moanously crushed. It is - uncermoniously | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
crushed. It is home to the dark arts of political campaigning, and | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
home to an evangelical Christian comuep community with little time | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
for Mormons. Professor Mark Tompkins understands voting in the | :41:06. | :41:13. | |
Bible Belt, and how some Baptists view the Mormon faith. Do they see | :41:13. | :41:19. | |
it as heresy? Cult is the word that they use more often. It conjures up | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
the ideas of the cult leaders telling everybody else what to do, | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
they are making these unusual demands on people in the name of | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
faith. And the Mormon faith doesn't sound inconsistent with that story | :41:34. | :41:42. | |
at first blush. The wife of Texas governor, Rick Perry, Romney's only | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
real rival for the nomination comes to town to open a campaign office. | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
Mitt Romney's political opponents have enough policy differences with | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
him to ignore the religious question. But a representative from | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
up state, where the evangelical community is concentrated, | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
acknowledges the potential problem. I look at a person's record, and | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
governor Perry has simply got an outstanding record in the state of | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
Texas. For people faith is important? Absolutely it is. In | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
some areas. There are two things that people in South Carolina | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
learned a long time ago, if you are at a dinner protect, don't discuss | :42:21. | :42:31. | |
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two subjects, religion and politics. # Till me meet | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
The Mormon journey has been a long one. Once outcast, feared and | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
derided for their beliefs and customs, they have risen to the top | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
of American business and politics. Now, one of their number is | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
reaching for the highest summit of all, his faith may well be his | :42:50. | :42:56. | |
undoing, but if he succeeds, another taboo will have fallen, and | :42:56. | :43:02. | |
an era of suspicion and ignorance will have come to a close. A short | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
while ago I spoke to Pastor Robert Jeffress from Dallas. I asked him | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
what his problem was with Mormonism? Mormonism has never been | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
considered a part of mainstream Christianity, it is not a problem | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
to Mormons, the only problem is he's trying to confuse it with | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
Christianity. Mormonism came 1800 years after Jesus Christ and the | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
church was established. It has its own human founder, Joseph Smith, it | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
has its own set of doctrines and book of revelation, The Book of | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
Mormon. When I tacked about Mormonism being a cult, I was | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
talking about a theological cult. Those attributes I mentioned | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
qualify it as a theological cult. I think Mormons are good people and | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
moral people, but Mormonism is not Christianity. What do you fear if a | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
Mormon got the presidency? I don't fear anything if a Mormon got the | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
presidency. The fact is, I have said that if the Republican | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
candidate end up being Mitt Romney, I probably would vote for him over | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
Barack Obama. But when I talked to the values voters summit in | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
Washington, and I introduced Governor Rick Perry, I was speaking | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
to evangelical Christians, Jeremy, and I said given the choice between | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
a competent Christian, and a competent non-Christian, Christians | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
often to prefer a competent Christian. And Mitt Romney is not a | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
Christian, although he says he believes in Jesus Christ? Well, I | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
mean lots of people believe in Jesus Christ, it is what you | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
believe about Jesus Christ that determines whether or not you are | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
going to heaven or hell when you die. The Bible says whoever calls | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Jeremy, I don't think | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
anybody goes to heaven or hell in a group. We all go individual lie, | :44:53. | :45:00. | |
based on what have decided to do with Jesus Christ as our saviour. I | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
was saying if Romney is a Mormon and embraces the Mormon faith, that | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
is not Christianity. What is interesting is Mormons have said | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
all along that they were not a part of historic Christianity. They say | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
that the Christian church was corrupt from the time of the | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
apostles, until 1829 when Joseph Smith came, they have never | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
embraced historical Christianity by their own admission. What will | :45:26. | :45:35. | |
happen to Mr Romney when he dies? have no idea. If he has trusted in | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
Jesus Christ, the Jesus Christ of the Bible to save him from his sins, | :45:38. | :45:44. | |
he will be in heaven. If he has trusted some other God or no God, | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
he will spend ecertainty separated from God, like all of us will. The | :45:48. | :45:54. | |
Bible says all of us are sinners, not just Mormons, Catholics, | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
Baptists, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
we all need Jesus Christ to be our saviour. Can you ever imagine | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
America tolerating an atheist President? Absolutely I can. I | :46:08. | :46:15. | |
think that's very possible. A Jew? Absolutely. A Muslim? I think that | :46:15. | :46:22. | |
could. A Muslim? Yes. All of these things are possible? Absolutely. | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
Because the article 6 of our constitution says there shall be no | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
religious test to hold public office. But I'm quick to remind | :46:29. | :46:35. | |
viewers across the pond here, that refers to Government cannot impose | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
a religious litmus test. It has nothing to say about private | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
citizens deciding to choose a candidate based on their religion. | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
We have every right to do so. In fact, the first Chief Justice of | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
our Supreme Court, John Jay, also the author of the Federalist Papers, | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
said, "we have the duty and the privilege in this Christian nation | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
to select and prefer Christians as our leaders". So the first Chief | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
Justice of the United States believed that it was not bigotted | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
to say it is right to prefer Christians over non-Christians. | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
Mr Jeffress thank you for joining us, thank you. | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
It's good to be with you, Jeremy. Well that's quite enough for one | :47:18. | :47:25. | |
day. I will give the editor of the day his nightly glass of milk, he's | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
confused, not as confused as Phoenix Jones, he used pepper spray | :47:31. | :47:40. | |
to try to break up what he thought was a street fight, but the police | :47:40. | :47:50. | |
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say it was dancing. Look huge fight. We still have a residue of cold air | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
in Scotland and north-east England, chilly here first thing in the | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
morning, milder elsewhere underneath the cloud. For most of | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
us a cold start. The cloud lifting and thinning any rain petering out. | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
Some will see sunshine, predicting where, that is the trick. It looks | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
cloudy across northern England but dryer in the afternoon. Not as | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
chilly as today. Brightening up throughout the afternoon, across | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
East Anglia, not through the Midland or the south-east of | :48:42. | :48:44. | |
England, but through the West Country that could be a favoured | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
spot to see sunshine in the afternoon. For most of the day | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
Devon and Cornwall could be cloudy, drizzle up for a while over the | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
moors. For Wales the north coast and the marshes could see sunshine | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
during the afternoon. It should be dry as well, it has been a much | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
better day in Northern Ireland. Again it should be dry tomorrow, | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
sunshine near the north coast. Sunny spells around the Moray Frith, | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
and Aberdeenshire, it might brighten up in the central belt. | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
Not as cold as it has been. Temperatures rising over the next | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
few days to 17 degrees in Edinburgh. Further south, we will see a lot of | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
cloud on Thursday, not much sunshine, better chance of seeing | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
sunshine I think on Friday, as the cloud begins to break up as we | :49:28. | :49:32. |