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Talk about humble days. The man who runs the world's | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
biggest media empire is declared unfit to do so. Rupert Murdoch is | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
chastised, three of his Lieutenants are accused of misleading | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
parliamentary investigators. Is this verdict going to achieve | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
anything beyond giving politicians the chance to stamp their little | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
feetd and settle a score or two? -- feet and settle a score for two? | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
Many years since England last won a big title, the nation turns to the | :00:48. | :00:58. | |
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man who took Finland and - but Dhabi to success. | :00:58. | :01:05. | |
Tory ahoi, we go canvasing with the only Conservative councillor in | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
Glasgow. We are work really hard to get more than one elected at this | :01:08. | :01:18. | |
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election, to actually maybe hold the balance of power. | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
As verdicts go it is damming. Rupert Murdoch, the most powerful | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
media propriety in the world isn't fit to run an international company. | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
The Parliamentary Committee that spent ten months investigating the | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
phone hacking scandal was not unanimous, but it is highly | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
embarrassing. Three senior figures in Mr Murdoch's business, faced the | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
possibility of being humiliated in front of the House of Commons, for | :01:45. | :01:55. | |
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misleading the committee. MPs have been investigating | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
wrongdoing at News International for nearly a decade. They have | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
pursued hundreds of lines of inquiry and seen scores of | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
witnesses. They have asked thousands of questions. But, they | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
say, many of those answers have been misleading. Worse, there has | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
been an organised cover-up. The Culture, Media and Sport select | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
committee has concluded that three named individuals misled them. | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
First off, Les Hinton, he was executive chairman of News | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
International. He agreed the pay- off of �243,000 to Clive Goodman, | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
despite the fact that Goodman had been convicted and imprisoned for | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
phone hacking. The committee, though, found Mr Hinton hadn't been | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
honest about his role in awarding the payment, which some MPs have | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
alleged was designed to buy Goodman's silence. | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
When Les Hinton appeared before the committee in 2009, he was asked | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
repeatedly about those payments, but the committee said he was | :02:52. | :02:59. | |
startling vague -- startlingly vague and trying to play his role | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
as passive. But the committee said he not only authorised the payments, | :03:02. | :03:09. | |
but took the decision to make them in the first place. At this same | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
hearing in 2009, the committee said they were misled on another matter, | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
about the extent of which Les Hinton knew about evidence of | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
widespread phone hacking at News of the World. This is what he said at | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
the time. There was never firm evidence or suspicion provided that | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
I am aware of that implicated anybody else other than Clive | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
within the staff at News of the World. It just didn't happen, Paul. | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
And had it, we would have acted. course, we now know that News | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
International was, at the time Les Hinton said that, in possession of | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
a wealth of evidence that showed that phone hacking went far beyond | :03:45. | :03:55. | |
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one rogue reporter. Therefore, the That cover-up, according to the | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
committee also extended to Tom Crone, legal manager of News Group | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
newspapers, along with Colin Myler, who was editor of the News of the | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
World. They, the committee concluded, gave misleading answers | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
about what they knew. To put it politely, we have been led up the | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
garden path by News International. But more importantly, so were the | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
readers of its newspapers, the general public, and the victims of | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
phone hacking. Two years ago, in our report, we found the | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
organisation guilty of collective amnesia, and said it was | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
inconceivable that one rogue reporter was involved. We were | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
right. The big question, of course, is how far up the organisation did | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
knowledge of this cover-up go? When they peered before the committee, | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
both James and Rupert -- appeared before the commit year, both James | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
and Rupert Murdoch claimed they had no inkling it was going on until | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
very late in the day. The committee members agreed that this was simply | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
astonishing, they say, that in failing to investigate properly and | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
ignore widespread evidence of wrongdoing, News International and | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
its parent company, News Corporation, exhibited willful | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
blindness, for which the company's directors, including James Murdoch, | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
and Rupert Murdoch, should ultimately be prepared to take | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
responsibility. Corporately, the News of the World | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
and News International had misled the committee, repeatedly, about | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
the true extent and nature of the investigations that they claimed to | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
have carried out in relation to phone hacking. And that they had | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
failed to disclose documents, which would have revealed the truth. | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
five Labour and one Lib Dem member of the committee wanted to go | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
further. They inserted a line into the report that said "we conclude, | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
therefore, that Rupert Murdoch is not a fit person to exercise the | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
stewardship of a major international company". We found | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
News Corporation had an extensive cover-up of its rampent law- | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
breaking. Its senior executives repeatedly misled parliament, and | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
the two men at the top, Rupert and James Murdoch, in charge of the | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
company, must now answer for that. In the view of the majority of | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
committee members, Rupert Murdoch is not fit to run an international | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
company like BSkyB. Conservatives voted against that | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
line, when that failed they ended up voting against the entire report. | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
We all felt that was wildly outside the scope of a select committee, it | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
was an improper attempt to influence Ofcom, and to tread on | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
areas that is not the province of a select committee, and our report, | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
at least ostensibly, was about whether or not the prior committee | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
had been misled. I put it to Tom Watson that by insisting about the | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
line about Rupert Murdoch's fitness, Labour MPs had diluted the report's | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
impact. Why was it so important to the get in that line about Rupert | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
Murdoch being a fit person to run a major international company. When | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
the expense has been, or the cost of getting that line in has been | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
allowing opponents of this process to portray it as along party lines | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
as political payback, or whatever? I understand your point, David, | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
there is a judgment you have to make with these reports about | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
whether you go for a weaker report, and gain unanimity, or whether you | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
stand up for what you steadfastly believe. Where I came to, and | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
obvious low the majority of non- Conservative members came to, was | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
that we needed to raise the bar. What happens next, well, in the | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
short-term, armed with this committee's report, the whole House | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
of Commons will get to vote on what, if any, sanctions should be applied | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
to those three individuals named as having misled parliament. The | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
penalty for that isn't exactly clear. | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
However, although this committee can claim with some justification | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
to have started this whole process of investigating News International | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
and phone hacking at News of the World. They won't get the last word. | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
In a sense, their work has now rather been overtaken, not just by | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
the Leveson Inquiry that is going on in parallel, but also by the | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
criminal investigation by the police. | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
To discuss what this means for the Murdoch empire, we can speak to the | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
Conservative MP Louise Mensch, and we're joined from Glasgow by the | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
Labour MP, Jim sherd Dan, both members of the select committee | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
that delivered this pretty damming report today. They disagree on | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
whether Rupert Murdoch is unfit to run a global company. Also here is | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
the executive editor of the Times, and the BBC former director-general, | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
Greg Dyke. What is your excuse of subverting what appeared to be a | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
thorough inquiry with a bit of political sloganising? I don't | :09:01. | :09:10. | |
accept that analysis, People will draw their own conclusions, | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
including members of the committee. My own conclusion is this is an | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
organisation responsible for criminal activity, with three | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
senior executives involved in it. Rupert Murdoch was the head of that | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
organisation, and as such you can only draw one of two on collisions, | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
either he was complicit in everything that was going on, or he | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
was completely ignorant, and taking his eye off the ball, if you draw | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
either of those conclusions, you must draw the conclusion that he is | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
not a fit person to run an organisation. That is fair point, | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
isn't it Louise Mensch? I don't really think so, it wasn't up to us | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
to make that judgment. If you look at the introduction of the report, | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
it says it is an inquiry into whether the prior select committee | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
was misled. It is worth that on the World Tonight, Jim has said he | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
didn't base that conclusion on evidence presented to the committee, | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
but only because Rupert Murdoch was the head of the company. He drew a | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
conclusion. There are only two possible explanations, either he | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
was complicit or ignorant, so he's not fit to run an empire? Fit and | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
proper, they took out "proper" but left in "fit", is part of Ofcom's | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
test to who hold as broadcast license. Where the Tories disaed | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
greed, nobody disagreed that was wildly outside the remit of the | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
committee. And it is Ofcom that makes fit and proper tests, not | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
select commity. We have lost our chance to produce a unified | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
credible report where we would have all agreed. If you are willfully | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
blind, you are surely, by definition, not a fit person to run | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
a company? I couldn't disagree more, Rupert Murdoch and his son are both | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
admitting the failings of company over the journalistic practices | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
that were clearly going wrong. All those have been dealt with and | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
dealt with very thoroughly, a new chain of management, editoral and | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
commercial have come in. He has admitted a great level of failure. | :11:09. | :11:15. | |
The argument he's not a fit person, which is as Mr Watson said and Mr | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
Sheridan says, these are opinions, it is nothing to do with fact, it | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
was way outside receipt mit of the committee to do anything about it. | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
This was purely about an anti- Murdoch animosity, that infuse as | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
lot of people, political and commercial opponents. The good work | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
of the committee has been hijacked by a campaign. We will come back to | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
that in a second or two. Greg Dyke, before we do, what impact will this | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
sort of form of words have upon Mr Murdoch's position in BSkyB, for | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
example? I doubt whether this will have any impact at all. Ofcom can | :11:53. | :12:00. | |
have impact and Ofcom are investigating this, and Ofcom will | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
apply the proper fit and proper test. I suspect they will come to a | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
similar conclusion, but be based on a set of evidence that they receive. | :12:10. | :12:18. | |
So you think it will have a serious impact? I think, in the end, it is | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
difficult to see how the News International, the Murdoch | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
corporation, can continue to own the number of shares it owns in | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
BSkyB. I think in the end, and I think that will be in the interests | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
of BSkyB, to actually offload News International and the Murdochs. I | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
think they are now damaging to BSkyB, and BSkyB is a really good | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
business. Mr Sheridan, on how many of the, the committee I believe | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
voted on all sorts of contentious points in this report, on how many | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
of those points did you disagree with your party colleagues? On the | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
voting I never disagreed with any of them. And there were | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
Conservatives who disagreed among themselves, weren't there? I do | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
believe there were some disagreements amongst them. So I | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
suggest to you that what you were doing is hijacking a parliamentary | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
inquiry for party advantage? may say that, Jeremy, I don't agree | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
with you. It is worth saying that in all the time the select | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
committee discussed the phone hacking report, never in even one | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
discussion, did we ever discuss, even for a minute, whether or not | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
Rupert Murdoch was a fit person to run News Corporation. That was | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
literal never discussed, even one time, in any discussion. But it was | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
hijacked into the final report. Let's just check that Mr Sheridan | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
has the same recollection, that is the case isn't it? I missed you | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
there. Jim, I'm saying in all our discussions on the phone hacking | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
report, never even once did we as a committee discuss whether or not | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
Rupert Murdoch was fit to run News Corporation, that never came up in | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
any of our discussions while we considered the report, until the | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
final meeting? That's when people draw their final conclusions, in | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
the final meeting. You drew a conclusion without having discussed | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
it? It was discussed. The whole issue of. You have just conceded it | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
wasn't discussed until the final conclusions meeting? The whole | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
issue of the Murdochs in this whole inquiry was extensively discussed, | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
privately and publicly. Whether he was a fit person, as Mr Sheridan | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
has agreed, was absolutely never discussed. Obviously it is not | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
within a remit of a select committee, as Mark Lewis, the | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
victims' lawyer has confirmed tonight, it is Ofcom's remit, and | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
nothing to do with us. Labour have shot themselves into a foot, by | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
taking a report that could have been hitting the target. There is | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
not a cigarette paper between you and I, the only difference between | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
you and I, you don't want to apportion any blame on Rupert | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
Murdoch. If this was the BBC you would be champing at the bit to | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
blame Mr Thomson. You would be champing at the bit. You simply | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
cannot accept that Mr Murdoch has nothing to do with this. That is | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
completely false. I seem to remember when Labour were in | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
Government doing precisely what they were talking about there. This | :15:12. | :15:19. | |
is serious stuff, this. I do think it has turned into a bit of | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
knockabout stuff, that is a shame. It is a serious thing. Anybody who | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
watched the evidence. In the end you have to make a judgment of, do | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
you believe what Mr Murdoch and his son said. I have to say I find it | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
very difficult to believe. But unless there is evidence to prove | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
otherwise, one has to accept it. How does it feel where you are, as | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
part of this enormous organisation, there must come a point where the | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
Murdoch connection and involvement, the Murdoch overlordship is an | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
embarrassment? Come off it, what Rupert Murdoch has done for this | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
country over three decades in terms of maintaining the press, keeping | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
the press alive, developing television. Underlining the | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
political system. It hasn't undermined the political system. | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
Who are you kidding. Please, that just hasn't happened. What are you | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
saying, people wouldn't have voted Labour? I'm saying our political | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
system has been de distorted by the way in which the Murdoch operation | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
-- been distorted by the way in which the Murdoch operation has | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
influenced politicians, it is going on for 30 years, thankfully it is | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
ending now, and that makes it a healthier democracy. I challenge | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
that, Mr Murdoch was endlessly pursued by politicians, it was not | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
the other way round. Anyone who believes that must be in cuckoo | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
land. If you believe the line where he says he didn't ask for anything, | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
who believes that. To say the Murdochs have tainted this country | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
as one of these great things, couldn't be more wrong. Look at the | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
nature of British sport, Joey Barton is coming up, look at | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
football on television. We are talking about democracy and | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
politics, there is no doubt that over many years that the Murdochs | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
had an influence over politics in this country which was damaging to | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
our political system and structure. I certainly think that politicians | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
should, and politicians and journalists should be distant from | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
each other. Louise Mensch are you worried that your party now seems, | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
yet again, to be looking after Murdoch's interests? No, not | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
particularly. I don't think so. What Jim says is completely not | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
true. The report before it was amended in this hysterical and | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
over-the-top way was highly critical of James Murdoch and | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
Rupert Murdoch and News Corporation corporately, there was strong | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
criticisms in the report as drafted, which we all would have signed up | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
to. Nobody is trying to say that there weren't failure of both James | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
and Rupert Murdoch and News Corporation, which they admit | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
themselves, it is the degree and the over-the-topness, and the | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
hijacking of the report that has caused the credibility to be lost. | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
What do you think is the future of James and Rupert Murdoch in this | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
country? I think it is over. If you have had the degree of political | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
power and influence that they had, and then suddenly it is gone, I | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
don't think you can get it back. I don't think the Murdochs will ever | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
be the power they were then. The moment David Cameron stood up in | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
the House of Commons and said, come on, we have all been at it, and it | :18:26. | :18:34. | |
is time to end, it is ended. Can I go back to the fundamentals, Rupert | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
Murdoch was a very successful businessman, part of that success | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
was based on him tapping into private telephone calls, people's | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
private lives, that is why he has been such a successful business. It | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
is not because he's a magic person. If people want to tap into other | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
people's lives, that is unforgiveable, that is the reason | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
why we had this inquiry, that is why we will have the Leveson | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
Inquiry as well. What do you think, if Greg Dyke is right, and it is | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
all over for the Murdochs in this country, what will be the | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
consequences? I don't think it is all over. You have got a | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
flourishing newspaper business, you have got a flourishing television | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
business, and I don't see why Rupert Murdoch should walk away. He | :19:13. | :19:22. | |
loves his papers, he does. He might well be told, Ofcom might say that | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
News International are not a fit and proper person to control BSkyB, | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
and 39%, in the law in this country, is control, at the very least they | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
could have to sell to 29%, they could be told to sell the lot, that | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
wouldn't surprise me, it might anybody their interests. BSkyB is a | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
fantastic channel and the activities it does, it is | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
enormously good for this country. It has never really used what it | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
developed, the power and money to turn itself into an international | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
media company based here. It never could, because it always had to be | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
part of the Murdoch operation. Murdoch always controlled it T you | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
know that, I know that. What do you think is the future of | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
the Murdochs in this country? is partly for Ofcom to determine, | :20:05. | :20:12. | |
not for my commity. But I do note that even: You have inquired into | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
this pretty thoroughly and arrived at a view? We have, and held News | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
Corporation's feet to the fire. It is worth saying that the management | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
and Standards Committee of News Corporation, better late than never, | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
are finally coming clean and bringing forward information all | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
the time. They do appear to have taken some of these lessons on | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
board. It is worth saying that Rupert Murdoch is a great newspaper | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
man, who has run newspapers in this country before mobile phones were | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
even invented. Even in the report as it stood, not even Tom Watson or | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
any Labour member found that either Rupert or James Murdoch had misled | :20:46. | :20:54. | |
our committee, that is important to say. They were not found guilty of | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
misleading parliament. I'm all for media equality, we need a strong | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
freedom of the press, and a strong independent press that doesn't hack | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
people's phones or use operation Motorman-tile, hacking et cetera, | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
that was not confined to News International. | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
The new manager of the England football team was formally unveiled | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
today, if that is the right words, Roy Hodgson has a glorious few days | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
before discovering most of the population in these islands think | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
they could do the job better than him. They are not afraid to say so. | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
It is not a bad opportunity on the edge of your 65th birthday. In a | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
moment we will talk about the appointment with QPR captain and | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
some time England international, Joey Barton. First Steve Smith. | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
It is the result that not even the most perspicacious, or dare we say | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
it, veteran football commentator, managed to predict. | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
Here are tonight's classified football results, read for | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
Newsnight, by me, James Alexander Gordon. | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
Football Association 1, Football Pundits 0. That's right, ashen- | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
faced football hacks have been eating their words, after nobody's | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
favourite, Roy Hodgson, was elevated from unfashionable West | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
Brom to the England manager's job. It is a very proud day for me. I'm | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
a very happen kwhree man to be offered the -- happy man to be | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
offered the chance to manage my country. I'm looking forward to the | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
task ahead, it is not an easy one. I'm hoping everybody, fans, | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
supporters, everybody in the country, will get behind the team, | :22:37. | :22:45. | |
it is the team that kounds. Andrew Rodger 1, Harry Redknapp 0. | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
Colourful Spurs boss Harry Redknapp was going to be England boss, | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
according to everyone, particularly after he was cleared of tax charges. | :22:55. | :23:03. | |
I feel sorry for Harry, he's a wheeler dealer, a boy, believing in | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
rapid football. I'm not saying that Roy Hodgson doesn't, if we wanted a | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
European Championships, Harry was the man. | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
Roy Hodgson was managed club and national sides around the world. | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
But his spell at Liverpool wasn't seen as a triumph. Many fans felt | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
he didn't think big enough for a club that was once accustomed to | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
greatness. He left after just six months. Roy Hodgson may not have | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
had a particularly happy time at Liverpool, I believe the fans | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
didn't give him a chance, because from day one they weren't on his | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
side, which is very important. I don't think that should ever | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
detract from his capablities as a manager, or if you look at what he | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
has achieved at the clubs, he has proved he's a good manager. I think | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
he will do a very good job for England. The last coach couldn't | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
speak the language when he took the job. His successor faced a test on | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
his diplomatic skills, after a question about his playing in South | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
Africa under the apartheid system. I didn't think about the politics, | :24:09. | :24:17. | |
it played no part in my decision. It is slightly unfair in today's | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
world, where we are discussing racism, to go back 40 years and | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
criticise a decision I made for purely football reasons. | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
By all accounts, Hodgson's's more rounded individual today. Perhaps | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
even a Newsnight type, no we don't mean he's always banging on about | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
politics and economics, he enjoys the arts, and literature. He is a | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
cultured man. He loves Puccini, where as Harry would think that was | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
an Italian football player he would sign. He can speak five languages | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
Roy, he can swear in all of them. When it comes to a press conference, | :24:57. | :25:06. | |
I'm afraid he can be rather grey, rather saturine and rather | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
withdrawn. So how will the new boss get on in his first big test, | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
managing the egos in England's squad at the European | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
Championshipss this summer. Will he turn out to be like another | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
English leader, who came unstuck over Europe. Major was grey, wasn't | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
he, really, I can't imagine Roy Hodgson wearing Y-fronts and eating | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
peas off a knife, he would be rather talking about something like | :25:33. | :25:43. | |
spaghetti a la vong ola in the bay of Naples. He has to get it across, | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
it is all right being intelligent, but it is as it does, and Roy | :25:46. | :25:54. | |
doesn't impress you as the brain of Britain. Why did I give it up? The | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
WAGs wouldn't leave me alone. reflect on the appointment of Roy | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
Hodgson and the state of football in England generally, is Joey | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
Barton, he can both over 1.4 million followers on twitter and | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
captains QPR, he has a couple of convictions for violence and plays | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
for England. What does this appointment tell us about the state | :26:17. | :26:26. | |
of English football? I mean, for me, I think the Englishman in the | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
street wanted an English manager. We straight away limited our appeal. | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
I think it is a very shrewd appointment by the FA. They head- | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
hunted him almost, to the point where they have said they have not | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
interviewed any other candidates, I think Roy Hodgson has the track | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
record. He has coached international football before, | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
which is a complete and total different entity to club football. | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
You have a lot less involvement with the players on a daily basis. | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
And also, you are managing other managers' players, it is not a | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
straight forward role. I think Roy has a wealth of experience, not | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
only in England, but abroad, and at major tournaments. It will bode | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
well. He seems to be a quiet, thoughtful guy? I wouldn't know | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
without, I haven't worked with him personally, although I have come | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
across him in the game. He is a straight forward guy. I think he's | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
a very qulturd Englishman. He has coached inter-- cultured Englishman, | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
he coached Inter Milan, and Switzerland into number three in | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
the FIFA world rankings, and Finland and Abu Dhabi. He has | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
managed big clubs, Liverpool is a massive club, Inter Milan is a | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
massive club. He has a wealth of experience. It is a very shrewd | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
appointment by England. It is a heck of a management of | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
expectations he has to deal with, though, isn't it? Do you think we | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
take football too seriously in this country? That is difficult for me | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
to say as a footballer. The fact that I have over a million | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
followers, most of them I have never met on Twitter, shows that | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
football is taken seriously in this country. Too seriously do you think | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
sometimes? It is our national gamement we are very proud of | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
England, and I think -- game. And we're very proud of England, that | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
is why we get so much media coverage. Why aren't we doing | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
better? That is a difficult question, unless I was appointed | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
England manager, it is difficult to answer, why aren't we doing better, | :28:30. | :28:37. | |
in terms of what? I think, for me, we have the best export in global | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
football in the Premier League. From that standpoint we do | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
fantastic. Do you think, there used to be an argument, that good club | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
football was some how the energy of a good national team? Yeah, and I | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
think as the Premier League has grown over the last 20 years, I | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
think England, to your average Englishman has slipped maybe a | :29:01. | :29:08. | |
little bit. The club becomes really important, and interclub rivalries | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
have grown beyond the national ideaty. In the country there is a | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
massive north and south divide. The fact that England play at Wembley | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
predominantly and the amount of money spent on Wembley, I think | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
people in the north of the country feel like England has become a | :29:28. | :29:38. | |
:29:38. | :29:40. | ||
northern-based entity really. English football has become | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
southern-based? Team England. should have? I think it should be | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
addressed. I have been on record saying England should be a touring | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
side. They are a representation of the whole of the country, they | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
should tour the country. We have some great stadiums all round the | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
country. I think, you know, I think we should take advantage of that. | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
Obviously it will be very difficult because of the amount of the money | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
the FA put into the new stadium, which is magnificent at Wembley, | :30:06. | :30:12. | |
that is the reason the big matches play there. Is it something about | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
the way the authority is exercised in the game? There is so much money | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
involved, when money gets involved at the level it does, I think you | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
know what it is like, the bureaucrats sort of have to feel | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
they have to do something, in order to justify salaries that they are | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
paid. They are generally sticking their noses in, sometimes where it | :30:32. | :30:38. | |
is better to let the main experts and people who know the game. The | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
paperwork and that kind of thing can get in the way. I think the | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
higher up the chain you go, I think obviously that comes into more and | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
more. It is difficult, because sometimes you have just got to let | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
people do what you employed them to do. Hopefully, for Roy Hodgson, he | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
gets the chance to do that. Do you think there is a case for a | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
generational shift in the team, that maybe needs to go down ten | :31:03. | :31:10. | |
years or something? You are talking like an expert there, I couldn't | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
say there. It is your age group that is coming over the hill, which | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
is a bit ripe for me? My process towards England as a patriotic | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
proud Englishman, wanting England to do very well at major | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
tournaments, because it keeps me interested, certainly, in the | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
summer watching it, the longer they stay in it. I would say maybe it is | :31:31. | :31:38. | |
the time to give Roy the license to shake it up a bit, in terms of to | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
bring some young exciting players, which we have a lot of in this | :31:41. | :31:48. | |
country, and take them to a major championship. There is the European | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
Championships will be, and build for the next world and European | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
Championshipss. Germany did it just before the World Cup out in Germany, | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
I think it was in 2006, the tournament previous to that, which | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
was the European Championshipss, I think in Portugal, they blooded a | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
lot of young players in the process of taking them to the next World | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
Cup, and giving them that major tournament experience, and also | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
giving them probably the height of expectation and the media interest, | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
all that comes with the game. You don't fancy it yourself? No, I | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
have got pressing issues at QPR, we are in a relegation fight, that is | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
my sole focus at the minute, you know, that is where my mind is set. | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
Joey Barton, thanks a lot. The day after tomorrow lots of us | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
get the chance to express ourselves on paper in local elections in | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
England, Scotland and Wales. They are often treated as the poor | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
relations in general elections, even though what local Government | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
does often has a more direct impact on people's lives. They also | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
resonate way beyond city, town or county boundaries, nowhere and more | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
so than in Scotland, where all 32 local authorities are up for grabs, | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
and there is said to be the real prospect of Labour losing places | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
they were once so confident of. They hardly needed a canvas. | :33:09. | :33:19. | |
:33:19. | :33:19. | ||
We're in Glasgow. If in places like Glasgow they | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
normally weigh the vote, not count it, this Thursday they will have | :33:24. | :33:30. | |
shipped in the most ultra sensitive calipers and tape measures to | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
ajudicate the way this council goes. Across the country the Westminster | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
Government thinks the opposition will to the up respectable games -- | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
tot up respectable games, but they hope to bring down Labour's wins. | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
Glasgow council has been run by Labour for 32 years, this city | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
played a special role in the formation of the Labour Party, in | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
1914 workers rose up in this square in complaint of working conditions. | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
The Government in Westminster sent tanks, they felt it was a | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
revolution, it it wasn't, but something like Red Collideside was | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
brought in and Glasgow became central to Labour's life. | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
Gordon Matheson was one of the men thought to fight for that. 55p of | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
every pound you paid in rent went to servicing debt, because that was | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
removed that has meant that investment has been possible. So | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
there is new cladding, new door central heating, new kitchens. | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
not saying Labour is doing a bad job, from my point of view, and a | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
lot of people's point of view, you are not guaranteed a vote, you have | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
to fight for it, you have to persuade me, you are doing a good | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
job, perhaps you will get my vote. That is the difference, 20 years | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
ago you have the vote, now you are up against a good party. In the | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
suburbs, the lesser spotted Conservatives are festooned with | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
falling blossom as they knock on doors. What about the Tories' | :35:00. | :35:06. | |
chances, why are they bothering? think around about here they have a | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
good chance. Your friends are persuaded by them? Yes. Would you? | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
No. The nature of this election means smaller parties could be as | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
critical as the one-time Labour core vote ever was. This chap could | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
be a king maker in a coalition. But at the moment you are out of the | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
picture, it is a two-way battle, is SNP-Labour? That is the way it is | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
portrayed, when you think about it, this election will be close and the | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
Conservatives could play a role in the next administration, we are | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
working really hard to get more than one elected at this election | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
to hold the balance of power. Displaying an early ability to kol | :35:42. | :35:49. | |
build, David bumps into a political panjandrumwauarking his dog, the | :35:49. | :35:56. | |
Labour Party chairman back when things were rosy in 199 1. | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
issue is whether these Des deselected Labour candidates will - | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
these deselected Labour candidates will affect the Labour vote, that | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
they will take votes from Labour, most of them won't get elected | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
themselves, but they might then just take enough votes from Labour | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
to let the SNP through. Tommy Morrison is leader of that | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
group, Glasgow First, pushed away, they believe, when Labour asked old | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
timers, 20 of them, not to stand again. I think that the city is | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
looking forward to one of the biggest elections it will ever have, | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
in the past 40 years. The Labour Party deselected 18 of its | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
councillors, for no reason that we can find out. When we are trying to | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
go through the system we were basically told we were dead wood. | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
That we weren't part of the A-team, and we weren't part of the new | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
Labour set-up. My colleagues and I have never been part of the new | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
Labour set-up. We consider ourselves not old Labour, but not | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
new Labour, but the real Labour Party. The Labour Party think that | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
on Thursday they will lose overall control of the council, but they | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
will remain the largest party. They think that, in a system that is | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
being fought on proportional voting s a minutey miracle. But their | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
colleagues, the ones -- mini- miracle, but their colleagues, the | :37:23. | :37:30. | |
ones he they chucked out think they will be lucky, and think that the | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
Conservatives will hold the power. The SNP is in bullish mood. We have | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
been working hard, our objective is obviously to win these elections, | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
we have had a great team across the city. We are building on the | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
achievements of the SNP Government over the last few years. We have | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
the record, the team and the vision for Glasgow. I think you can see | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
the work that we have done has been really impressive, all across the | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
city. Local councillors over the last five years have been building | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
up a really good reputation of being hard workers. Tell me David, | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
why is it that your leader, Alex Salmond, has not been heavily | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
visible in this place? This is obviously a local election, it is | :38:07. | :38:13. | |
about local issues. Alex Salmond is the leader of the party, he has | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
been in Glasgow, but this is a local issue, local campaigns and | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
local people. The smaller parties feel they will | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
be overshadowed? We will be skwuesed by the two massive parties | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
clouting over their -- squeezed by the two massive parties clouting | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
each other over the head, and all the other parties are fighting hard | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
to be re-elected, the people in our target seats are good local people | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
delivering locally. In these election results, look at the | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
numbers across the country and look at London, remember George Square | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
and the next episode in Scottish Labour history, a story that began | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
nearly 100 years ago. Margaret Curran is the Shadow | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
Scotland Secretary, she's a Glasgow MP and joins us there, in the | :39:00. | :39:10. | |
:39:10. | :39:12. | ||
dunddy studio is the SN -- dunddy studio is the SN P MP, Stewart | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
Hosie. You are issued a manifesto with 100 promises, which includes | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
making Glasgow a child-friendly city, why have you not done that | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
before now? There is no denying we are facing a challenge in Glasgow, | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
particularly after last year's elections where the SNP outpolled | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
us. We have strong policies and strong leadership. I'm hopeful we | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
will do better in these elections and could be the largest party. | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
asking about your 100 proim misses here, the manifesto -- promises, | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
the manifesto, the promise number nine is Labour targeting | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
irresponsible dog owners who foul our parks and streets, 40 years to | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
get that far? Picking up on the child issue, if you say that, one | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
of the difficulties that Glasgow has had, is the SNP Government and | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
their lack of leadership in childcare has meant that Scotland | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
is now behind England in terms of childcare provision. Nonetheless, | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
Glasgow City Council, under Labour's leadership, has made | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
important strides in the city, we have still much more work to. Do we | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
want to improve childcare provision. You have dog mess to clear up? | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
fouling matters to people. I wonder why you spent 40 years not dealing | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
with it? Some action has been taken, but not enough. We would say with | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
the the Tories in power at Westminster, the SNP neglecting | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
Glasgow and Edinburgh, we have a fight on our hands, we will do our | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
best to represent the best interests of the people of Glasgow. | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
Stewart Hosie, your leader in Glasgow says taking Glasgow would | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
be the first stepping stone to independence, is he serious? | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
then went on to say the focus is on Glasgow, I have heard that quote | :40:54. | :41:02. | |
before, it is normally a misquote. It is no surprise that I campaign | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
like Alison Hunter wants Scotland to be independent. It is not a | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
surprise that a nationalist wants Scotland to be independent. Is it a | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
stepping stone to independent? is a stepping stone to controlling | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
Glasgow and making the people's lives better. Is it a stepping | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
stone for independence? If you are asking me if it is a referendum on | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
independent, no it is about who is best to run the city of Glasgow. | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
The question of turnout, it is widely predicted that for various | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
reasons we don't needing to into now, there is a danger of a very | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
low turnout, what would you consider to be a turnout that was | :41:37. | :41:43. | |
so low that the outcome was really illegitimate? I wouldn't put a | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
finger on it. There have been by- elections, I think Hillary Benn in | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
Leeds some years ago, it was incredibly low. From memory it was | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
less than 20%. The people have the right not to vote, so we need to be | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
very careful about legitimacy in terms of turnout numbers. What do | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
you think? Of course I wouldn't put a figure on it at all. We need to | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
make sure we are fighting for every vote, and motivate people that big | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
issues are at stake in this election. Unlike what the SNP say, | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
it is fundamentally about the great city of Glasgow and the services | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
that are at stake. If we motivate people and feel they understand | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
that, and think about this we can increase it. When you are out | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
campaigning, what is the most exciting and enthusiastic thing you | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
have heard people say about Ed Miliband's leadership of your | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
party? I think what people are beginning to recognise is Ed is | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
very much leading the agenda, he was the first to take on the issue | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
about the Murdochs in stark contrast to Alex Salmond, that is | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
coming up on the doorsteps a lot. It is about what the Tory | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
Government is doing, more interested in millionaires and Ed | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
Miliband is speak beg fairness, that is resonating on the doorsteps. | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
All the people you have spoken on the many doorsteps you have been on, | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
what is the most exciting thing someone has said about Ed Miliband? | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
That he's warm and engaging and talking about the issue that matter | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
to them. Some people find that exciting, even if perhaps you don't. | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
Stewart Hosie, how much enthusiasm do people express on the doorsteps | :43:14. | :43:24. | |
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about the cuts being introduced by the SNP Government? Who people on | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
the doorsteps o out there understand is we are in the middle | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
of the biggest depression in many years. They are delighted the | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
Scottish Government has frozen the council tax, kept 1,000 extra | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
police on the beat, and introduced a small business bonus that sees | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
40% of businesses paying reduced or no rates at all to try to grow the | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
economy out of the recession and out from underneath the austerity | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
measures of the UK Government. big a loss would Glasgow be, do you | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
think? It depends how you define loss. If we are not the overall- | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
party, that may be interpreted somebody who don't understand | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
proportional representation as a loss. I tell you the ruins are good, | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
we are getting positive feedback on the doorsteps, I'm hopefully can | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
run and good campaign in Glasgow. What is your reading of the way | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
things are going, Stewart Hosie? have set one target, which was to | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
overtake Labour in terms of the number of votes cast. You said your | :44:27. | :44:33. | |
target was to win Glasgow outright. No Margaret. Yes it was. I know | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
what the SNP target was. I have heard it as well, are you changing | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
your story? We want to be the largest party in terms of votes, | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
going along with the largest party in terms of councillors, as we are | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
at the present time. In relation to Glasgow, we are contesting 43 | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
candidates with 22 councils at the moment. We need all of them elected | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
to wifpblt we are trying extremely -- win that. We are trying | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
extremely hard to do that, and people are working flat out and | :45:00. | :45:03. |